Re: [gentoo-user] Dual-boot Windows with Gentoo? (say it ain't so)
Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 07:46:47PM +0200, Richard Fish wrote Hmm, maybe I don't understand the question. I don't run Netbeui, but I _can_ use a WINS server for resolving host names to IP addresses in Gentoo by adding the 'wins' option to the hosts line in nsswitch.conf and having a properly configured smb.conf file. What we have here is a failure to communicate... samba == Netbeui for *nix This is not correct. I did some googling, and NetBEUI seems to be a protocol at the same level as TCP/IP. It is used for the same thing as NetBIOS, *but* NetBIOS is routable over TCP/IP, meaning it can be used on large corporate lans with multiple subnets. NetBEUI only works on the same subnet. I think NetBIOS can be used at the ethernet level as well, but that seems fairly uncommon nowadays. Samba speaks NetBIOS/SMB/CIFS on TCP/IP, not netbeui. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Performance problem (slow hard drive?)
Shawn Singh wrote: One thing that I noticed with my installs of Linux is that different filesystems seem to perform differently...ie. my installst that are using Reiserfs seem to have quicker reads and writes than my installs that are using ext2 or ext3... Indeed. I just converted my root filesystem from xfs to reiserfs 3.6. My root filesystem contains ~375000 files, and scanning that many files with xfs took a bit over 10 minutes. It takes less than 6 minutes with reiserfs. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Copying a disk
I have Gentoo partially installed on a hard drive. It's taken a day so
far to compile stage1 (but it's almost done), so I'm not about to delete
it all and start over on a new disk. But I'd like to pop in this newer,
faster, bigger disk before I continue the install, since I'll be
compiling programs and a faster disk would help out a little bit,
especially with only 128 MB of RAM.
I assume I can just fdisk the new drive and then cp -L /dev/hdbn
/dev/hdan my partitions (where n={1,2,3}). Being a *nix newbie, I
think I'd better check before I do something potentially dangerous (for
example, I already know I'm missing an option to preserve permissions).
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Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 06:49:02PM -0400, Robert G. Hays wrote Tty's are still 80x25, that's after a **LOT** of work. I really need this fixed too, I'll tackle this part. SVGATextMode is an absolute pain to get right. And you don't really need it for a nice crisp 80x48 (YES!) text display. First, make sure that you've enabled alternate text modes to begin with. The make menuconfig path is... Device Drivers --- Graphics support --- Console display driver support --- [*] Video mode selection support You *MUST* have Video mode selection support enabled. If it's not enabled, do so now. Next step is to put vga=6 into lilo or grub. When you reboot, you'll end up in the alternate VGA text mode, which is 640 pixels across by 480 scanlines. vga=6 loads the crummy 8x8 CGA fonts. This gives... 640 x 480 - = 80 x 60 8 x 8 Lots of lines, but murder on my eyes. Rather than 8 x 8 CGA, I prefer the following option in /etc/rc.conf CONSOLEFONT=lat1-10 This invokes an 8 x 10 font, which gives... 640 x 480 - = 80 x 48 8 x 10 Because of the extra 25% vertical detail, this gives a *MUCH* more readable display than vga=1 80 x 50 mode, which uses CGA 8 x 8 fonts on the default 640 x 400 VGA mode. For more details see my webpage... http://www.waltdnes.org/tips_and_tricks/textmodes.html -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] An infinite number of monkeys pounding away on keyboards will eventually produce a report showing that Windows is more secure, and has a lower TCO, than linux. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] pernicious printer problem
For me (and I guess for many others), the main problem with Gentoo is hardware setup. Not that I'm complaining - I knew that when I chose Gentoo for my new computer, and I learned a lot so far. Printer setup however, was a breeze. It just went according to the manual; configuring the paralell port, drivers installed with CUPS and foomatic. No problem at all. Well, just one - the printer does not print. Any print job goes into the printing queue and then moves to the completed printing jobs folder. However, the printer just sits there, doing nothing (not even blinking a led), looking smug. Now, I grant that the printer (a Lexmark Z42) is a POS and in addition, I'm saving a fortune on ink. On the other hand, my wife is starting to make sarcastic comments and reminds me daily that she _could_ print under windows. My system has an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, with an AMD64 processor, running Gentoo amd64. CUPS gave no suspicious output (even after setting output to debug2). /var/log/messages told me that /dev/lp0 was successfully created, and lsmod shows that lp, parport, and parport_pc are loaded. Any ideas how to diagnose the problem? Michael -- Michael Ulm RD Team ISIS Information Systems Austria tel: +43 2236 27551-219, fax: +43 2236 21081 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our Website: www.isis-papyrus.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Filesystem Choices
Just some questions about partitioning and filesystems... my boot partition (/dev/hda1) will be ext3, and I've got a gig of swap (/dev/hda2). Then what? How much space should I dedicate to my system partition (/dev/hda3), where I'm installing Gentoo and all my programs? This computer will use GNOME and mainly be used for multimedia purposes: MP3 playback, DivX movie playback, et cetera, but I'll more than likely move into more advanced topics like DVD playback, Internet browsing and GPS if I ever come across some money to burn. I'm planning to format this ReiserFS and give it ten gigabytes of room to work with. I'd like speed, but data integrity is also important. (But I'll have a backup! I'll likely tarball this partition and save it on my home computer when installation is complete, for a nice, virgin install of Gentoo so I can roll back if I need to.) Next, what would be a good choice for a partition full of my personal files? It'll mainly be MP3's (~5 MB each), DivX-compressed videos (~232 MB each), and any other personal files I choose to take with me on the road to replace my aged D-Link MP3 player. My primary objective is fast reads. I'll probably mount this partition read-only and have a backup on my main computer at home, so data integrity isn't much of a concern. -- Colin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Filesystem Choices
Just some questions about partitioning and filesystems... my boot partition (/dev/hda1) will be ext3, and I've got a gig of swap (/dev/hda2). Then what? How much space should I dedicate to my system partition (/dev/hda3), where I'm installing Gentoo and all my programs? This computer will use GNOME and mainly be used for multimedia purposes: MP3 playback, DivX movie playback, et cetera, but I'll more than likely move into more advanced topics like DVD playback, Internet browsing and GPS if I ever come across some money to burn. I'm planning to format this ReiserFS and give it ten gigabytes of room to work with. I'd like speed, but data integrity is also important. (But I'll have a backup! I'll likely tarball this partition and save it on my home computer when installation is complete, for a nice, virgin install of Gentoo so I can roll back if I need to.) Next, what would be a good choice for a partition full of my personal files? It'll mainly be MP3's (~5 MB each), DivX-compressed videos (~232 MB each), and any other personal files I choose to take with me on the road to replace my aged D-Link MP3 player. My primary objective is fast reads. I'll probably mount this partition read-only and have a backup on my main computer at home, so data integrity isn't much of a concern. -- Colin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Copying a disk
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 02:21 -0400, Colin wrote:
I assume I can just fdisk the new drive and then cp -L /dev/hdbn
/dev/hdan my partitions (where n={1,2,3}). Being a *nix newbie, I
think I'd better check before I do something potentially dangerous (for
example, I already know I'm missing an option to preserve permissions).
Do not use cp, it doesn't preserve permission bits.
use either tar or rsync.
eg: (I do this quite often to change from hda2 to hda5 for example)
sudo rsync -av --progress --delete / /New/partition
and you can choose which to exclude too eg:
--exclude /home --exclude /dev --exclude /mnt --exclude /tmp
--exclude /proc --exclude /sys
or use Tar
su -
cd / tar -cf - * | (cd /new/partition; tar -xvpf - )
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Re: [gentoo-user] Copying a disk
On 2005-04-05 02:21:25 -0400 (Tue, Apr), Colin wrote:
I have Gentoo partially installed on a hard drive. It's taken a day so
far to compile stage1 (but it's almost done), so I'm not about to delete
it all and start over on a new disk. But I'd like to pop in this newer,
faster, bigger disk before I continue the install, since I'll be
compiling programs and a faster disk would help out a little bit,
especially with only 128 MB of RAM.
I assume I can just fdisk the new drive and then cp -L /dev/hdbn
/dev/hdan my partitions (where n={1,2,3}). Being a *nix newbie, I
think I'd better check before I do something potentially dangerous (for
example, I already know I'm missing an option to preserve permissions).
You think good.
But - you should not copy /dev/hd*, you should mount the disks and then copy
the directories.
I suppose that the -L option is not the right one. -R (recursive) and -p
(preserve permissions and owners) are better.
Rough guideline:
mkdir /mnt/new_one
mount /dev/hdan /mnt/new_one
cp -Rp /where_you_current_gentoo_reside /mnt/new_one
HTH
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Re: [gentoo-user] Filesystem Choices
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 02:52 -0400, Colin wrote: How much space should I dedicate to my system partition (/dev/hda3), where I'm installing Gentoo and all my programs? Depends on usage. There's no hard and fast rule :) On mine, system partition is 10gb, /usr/portage/ is on its own partition ~5GB and then I have /home (XFS) as a 20GB partition. Actually, you might be better off putting/trying out LVM since I have a heck of a time moving/growing partitions after the fact. qtparted doesn't do XFS. Even partition magic don't do it. So, pretty much screwed except for the copy/backup to diff drive -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 15:05:33 up 19:00, 6 users, load average: 0.01, 0.10, 0.14 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Filesystem Choices
Colin wrote: Just some questions about partitioning and filesystems... my boot partition (/dev/hda1) will be ext3, and I've got a gig of swap (/dev/hda2). Then what? Then make more partitions depending upon your need's. If this were to act as a server i would suggest making a seperate partition for /var since the log files can sometimes take up a lot of space and if they do bloat up and take all the space you have got your system wont crash since it's on a seperate partition (chances are less atleast)... and so on you could justify a seperate /usr partition to mount it as read-only once everything is installed for more security but you dont wanna go that way... I would suggest you make a /boot (ext3), / (reiserfs), /home (again reiserfs) since i personally dont feel you should mix so many different file systems and reiserfs is a good / fast file system (did i say stable). For / if you give 10Gig's it should be more than enough for almost anything. And /home can never be enough depending upon your needs... Give as much space as you can to home since that's where all your mp3 and vidoe file's are going to stay. Anand Singh Bisen How much space should I dedicate to my system partition (/dev/hda3), where I'm installing Gentoo and all my programs? This computer will use GNOME and mainly be used for multimedia purposes: MP3 playback, DivX movie playback, et cetera, but I'll more than likely move into more advanced topics like DVD playback, Internet browsing and GPS if I ever come across some money to burn. I'm planning to format this ReiserFS and give it ten gigabytes of room to work with. I'd like speed, but data integrity is also important. (But I'll have a backup! I'll likely tarball this partition and save it on my home computer when installation is complete, for a nice, virgin install of Gentoo so I can roll back if I need to.) Next, what would be a good choice for a partition full of my personal files? It'll mainly be MP3's (~5 MB each), DivX-compressed videos (~232 MB each), and any other personal files I choose to take with me on the road to replace my aged D-Link MP3 player. My primary objective is fast reads. I'll probably mount this partition read-only and have a backup on my main computer at home, so data integrity isn't much of a concern. -- Colin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] pernicious printer problem
On 2005-04-05 08:32:11 +0200 (Tue, Apr), Michael Ulm wrote: Now, I grant that the printer (a Lexmark Z42) is a POS and in addition, I'm saving a fortune on ink. On the other hand, my wife is starting to make sarcastic comments and reminds me daily that she _could_ print under windows. Say something about viruses, maybe. LOL My system has an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, with an AMD64 processor, running Gentoo amd64. CUPS gave no suspicious output (even after setting output to debug2). /var/log/messages told me that /dev/lp0 was successfully created, and lsmod shows that lp, parport, and parport_pc are loaded. Any ideas how to diagnose the problem? /var/log/cups/* ? -- $ ls -lart /bin/ls: you must be root to use LART pgp8or5dzptaJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Exim and SMTPS
I used to run a RedHat 8 server (that hadn't really been updated for three years due to the hassle of RPMS) with Sendmail and SMTPS. I finally took the plunge and setup a new Gentoo server this past weekend. I was told to use Exim (or anything but sendmail). Everything is generally working except for SMTPS. This is a problem because I have many virtual hosts and friends that use my server as their mail server. I can't seem to find any HOWTO or other documentation on how to enable/configure this. Regular SMTP works, but it only works for my local LAN or I assume if I were to enable a bunch of RELAYs in some config file. SMTPS will avoid that insecurity, plus I travel a lot and need SMTPS for my XP notebook mail to work. I've mimic'd my firewall rules in shorewall configs, so I don't think that's the problem. Also SMTPS runs on port 25 AFAIK anyways. Here's what I have installed: daevid sites # emerge -Dav exim These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] mail-mta/exim-4.43-r2 +X -dnsdb -exiscan -exiscan-acl +ipv6 -ldap -lmtp -mailwrapper -mbox +mysql -nis +pam +perl -postgres -sasl +ssl -syslog +tcpd 1,355 kB Total size of downloads: 1,355 kB Do I need SASL support? And also, why is +X in there? Does exim have an X frontend interface to configure it? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:18:53PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
assumes a user will know more than I do. For example:
There appear to be a set of default use flags with various pkgs. In
the instant case... sendmail.
This is from man make.conf:
USEE_ORDER = env:pkg:conf:auto:defaults
Determines precedence for incrementing the setting of the USE
variable. The above setting will cause the environment (env) to
override per package (pkg) settings to override make.conf (conf)
to override auto generated values from merged packages (auto) to
override make.defaults (defaults).
***warning***
Do not modify this value unless you're a developer and you know
what you're doing. If you change this and something breaks, we
will not help you fix it.
Defaults to env:pkg:conf:auto:defaults.
So these are the possible sources for USE-Flags.
How does one learn what those are?
Just: `equery uses sendmail', or does that show what was actually
used not just what the defaults are?
Further... if a user adds or subtracts a use flage like this:
cat /etc/portage/sendmail.use:
mail-mta/sendmail +mbox +mailwrapper +sasl
There is *one* file /etc/portage/package.use for all packages. Files like
/etc/portage/${INSERTPKGNAMEHERE}.use are ignored. This is why your changes
didnt show up in the equery output.
Greetz, Bjrn
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My system startup (was More on fbuffer andgrub setup)
On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 20:51 +0200, Richard Fish wrote: Ow Mun Heng wrote: [Big SNIP] your explanation seems logical but I won't know until I tried it out. Before I do that, I just need to ask. 1. What laptop 2. CPU/RAM/HD motor speed. Short answer: I would suggest to emerge aespipe and measure the performance with it. That should give you a good hint as to what your system is capable of with loop-AES. I'm gonna try that out. I'm also paranoid. (but seems like you beat me hands down. Kidding) Long answer: Sager NP5680...3Ghz P4/w HT, 512k L2 cache, 800Mhz FSB, 1GB RAM, 2 Hitachi 60Gb 7200rpm drives, DVD+/-R/RW. It weighs around 11-12 lbs That's a Heavy laptop. Big A$$ too. Since it's a P4 Desktop processor at 3GB. Mine's only a Pentium M 1.4G w/512MB Ram (hoping to upgrade to 1stick 1GB to make it 1256MB) I think seek time and IOs/sec are much more important in the laptop than throughput. It just Definately. And since you're running on 7200rpm Drives, it's way better than my 5400. Depending on the location of your drives, don't it becomes unbearably hot?? (mine's on the left Wrist pad which makes it ultra hot esp after a long backup session) WIth multi-key loop-AES, my processor can encrypt/decrypt data at about 80MB/sec. In single key mode, it runs at about 110-120MB/sec (I had to I'll have to see how it fares for me. Hope there isn't a big learning curve for this. But I don't notice any significant latency or lag compared to when I ran without encryption. The system boots normally (password to KDE login takes 30-45 seconds, depending upon whether the network is connected or not, KDE3.4 starts up in a flash, OOo...well...it starts...eventually. Emerging is disk-bound on extraction and installation, but CPU-bound on compiling, so there is no noticable lag there. Dude.. P4 3GHz. SHould be worth the Moolah for that. I don't know how a Pentium-M would perform. I've read a review somewhere that basically said the P-M is faster at some things in Linux due to the increased cache size, but slower in other things, because gcc treats it as just a regular P4, without taking advantage of any of the special P-M instructions. YMMV. If you have one and do some tests, I would be interested in the results. Yeah.. I'll do the aespipe test on it. D600 + 1.4G Centrino + 512MB Ram + 80GB Hitachi 5400rpm 8MB Cache Let you know later Geez, another huge email from me. This is becoming a habit. :-) -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 15:17:45 up 19:13, 6 users, load average: 0.12, 0.21, 0.18 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Copying a disk
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:59:07PM +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: Do not use cp, it doesn't preserve permission bits. cp -a does and is much faster than rsync. (sys-apps/coreutils-5.2.1-r4) -- Bjrn Michaelsen pub 1024D/C9E5A256 2003-01-21 Bjrn Michaelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = D649 8C78 1CB1 23CF 5CCF CA1A C1B5 BBEC C9E5 A256 pgpLRb8JJTq8l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Copying a disk
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 10:06 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:59:07PM +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: Do not use cp, it doesn't preserve permission bits. cp -a does and is much faster than rsync. if you want to populate new hard drive w/o anything on it. I suggest you use Tar as it is faster and it uses block copy rather than char-by-char. (sys-apps/coreutils-5.2.1-r4) -- Ow Mun Heng Gentoo/Linux on DELL D600 1.4Ghz 98% Microsoft(tm) Free!! Neuromancer 18:13:25 up 22:08, 6 users, load average: 0.50, 0.78, 0.79 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] USB mass storage help
Hi All- I'm trying to get my new Canon 20D to talk to my Gentoo box, but so far no luck getting the mass storage device driver to see it: 1) `dmesg` reports the following when plugging in camera: usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 63 Normally the usb-storage driver loads immediately after, but not for this camera. The camera is in Normal communication mode, as opposed to the PTP setting! 2) A quick `lsmod` indicates that usb-storage is indeed not loaded. 3) Attempting to modprobe usb-storage results in the following error on dmesg: kobject_register failed for usb_storage (-17) [c01f951b] kobject_register+0x5b/0x60 [c012c725] mod_sysfs_setup+0x75/0xe0 [c012d80d] load_module+0x79d/0xa40 [c012db1a] sys_init_module+0x6a/0x1b0 [c01030df] syscall_call+0x7/0xb 4) /proc/bus/usb/devices lists the following: T: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=04 Cnt=01 Dev#= 63 Spd=480 MxCh= 0 D: Ver= 2.00 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS=64 #Cfgs= 1 P: Vendor=04a9 ProdID=30eb Rev= 0.01 S: Manufacturer=Canon Inc. S: Product=Canon Digital Camera C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=100mA I: If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none) E: Ad=81(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS= 512 Ivl=0ms E: Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS= 64 Ivl=64ms This behavior is the same regardless of which port I use, or if a USB hub is used. I know usb-storage is working on this machine in general, since it works fine with a USB CF card reader. Unfortunately that reader ate a CF card last time I used it, so I'd much prefer to go directly from the (much more reliable) camera. Switching to PTP mode and using gphoto or similar software is not an option...I use my own scripts to mount the mass storage device and pull the photos into my workflow, so I need mass storage support. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] USB mass storage help
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:39:46 -0400, David D. Rea wrote: I'm trying to get my new Canon 20D to talk to my Gentoo box, but so far no luck getting the mass storage device driver to see it: The Canon 300D and A75 don't present themselves as mass storage devices, so I doubt the 20D does either. You can access it with gphoto, or by using camera:/ in Konqueror, but not as a block device. Personally, I prefer to use a card reader. A USB 2.0 reader is MUCH faster than the camera (even my old 1.1 reader was faster than the camera) and doesn't drain the camera's battery. -- Neil Bothwick DCE seeks DTE for mutual exchange of data. pgpSUcS6bkEky.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] isa sound card and alsa
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 12:32 +0200, krzaq wrote: On Apr 5, 2005 4:24 AM, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FATAL: Error inserting snd_es18xx (/lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r5/kernel/sound/isa/snd-es18xx.ko): No such device First off, instead of using isapnp tools try the ISA PnP built in kernel 2.6. This _should_ get your card going without dumping uncomenting anything. I am going to say thanks for that now, rather than after I try it - mainly because I can't see my self getting round to it for a while! After all sound is not that important on a server, but seeing that it worked under knoppix my interest was piqued... It also has this groovy built in speaker, so I can get it to talk without hanging bulky speakers off it. BTW if anyone is interested it is a compaq ap500 workstation - yes yesteryear's graphical workstations with dual pentiums 450's are today's home servers - even if it does weigh more than the average commuter vehicle. As for the ES1869 I have a card witch shows in windows 98 as ES1887 but runs on the module ES688 (or similar, dont have the source...). Give that one a try. [OT] A note about ALSA. ALSA disappionted me greatly. A week ago I moved my home server to a new box, intel i810 mainboard video,audio integrated. When trying to get the integrated crappy AC97 to work ALSA produced terrible noise. The sound card was TOTALLY unusable. After moving back to OSS, card runs smoothly, no noise, nothing! Wierd ... -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] USB mass storage help
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 11:54 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: The Canon 300D and A75 don't present themselves as mass storage devices, so I doubt the 20D does either. You can access it with gphoto, or by using camera:/ in Konqueror, but not as a block device. Personally, I prefer to use a card reader. A USB 2.0 reader is MUCH faster than the camera (even my old 1.1 reader was faster than the camera) and doesn't drain the camera's battery. OK, sorry for the list noise - you confirmed a suspicion that I had after subsequently trying the camera on my windows box and getting nowhere just as quickly. I dug my reader out of the trash this morning as a last-resort, and I'll see if I can snag something a little more reliable from work. I prefer using the reader as well, as it's faster and more convenient. Just needed something for the short term, until I can get a CF card reader that doesn't have a history of hosing CF cards! Thanks Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Time one hour off every time I start
We just had our bi-yearly annoying time change where I live. Each time I boot up my system, the system time has returned to what it was before, that is to say, it's exactly one hour early. I do an ntpdate and it's corrected. I reboot or power down, come back up, and it's set back to the wrong time again. Hmm, what am I missing? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system with no network needs updates
Grant wrote:
Each line in your links.txt is a list of different mirror urls for the
same package separated by '%20'.
This should take the first link from every line and pass it to wget:
cat links.txt | sed -e 's/%20.*//' | xargs -n 1 wget
or alternatively:
sed -e 's/%20.*//' links.txt links1.txt
wget -i links1.txt
Eugene.
Thank you, that seems to be working great. Should I update the wiki?
It says I should do this on the networkless machine:
emerge -fp package1 package2 2 links.txt
and this on the networked machine:
wget -i links.txt
and that's what I did.
- Grant
Actually that first line of code ends up trying to download the same
file over and over. I think there are a bunch of different paths
specified for each file so it can always find one that works. I think
it is trying to download each one of those.
The alternate solution ends up in the same situation as before with a
bunch of bad paths.
- Grant
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Ok, I actually went and tested this out this time. The %20 are from wget
escaping spaces, they are not in the file so you could do
cat links.txt | sort | uniq | sed -e 's/ .*//' | xargs -n 1 wget -c
the sort | uniq pipeline removes identical lines and wget -c option
makes sure that if there is a doubleup, the files dont get overwritten.
Its a hack but it should work. It relies on the first mirror for each
package being valid. If its not, it will not get that package since sed
prunes all but the first link. So if one of the packages doesnt
download, you'll have to get one of the links for it manually and
download it.
Alternatively you could try:
cat links.txt | sort | uniq | xargs -n 1 -i{} sh -c 'for i in {}; do
wget -c $i break; done'
this command will actually iterate over the alternative links for each
file until it one of them works. It's ot perfect but works reasonably
well for me. Use this one and if it breaks for you, use the first, less
complicated line.
Eugene.
PS and I dont see how the line in the wiki could have worked well unless
emerge -fp used to have different behavior.
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Re: [gentoo-user] USB mass storage help
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:03:57 -0400, David D. Rea wrote: Just needed something for the short term, until I can get a CF card reader that doesn't have a history of hosing CF cards! Use gphoto, Digikam (my preference) or Konqueror. -- Neil Bothwick Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs. pgpXPrRsdjfeI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] physical location monitoring with Gentoo
Grant ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) scribbled: I'd like to keep an eye on what's going on in my warehouse. I've got a solid 802.11g network going with WPA now. What do you guys suggest? http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome Unfortunately, not in portage. It picked up a new lead developer in the past 6 months or so (levarson, I think), and is stable with active development. You may want to keep this in mind: Cowpatty: http://www.remote-exploit.org/?page=codes wpa_cracker: http://www.tinypeap.com/ Personally, if I'm setting up security infra, I would go wired. It's a PIA to set up, but worth it in the long run. hth, Cooper. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] learning to write ebuilds, failed to login anonymously into cvs server
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Re: [gentoo-user] USB mass storage help
On Apr 5, 2005 5:22 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:03:57 -0400, David D. Rea wrote: Just needed something for the short term, until I can get a CF card reader that doesn't have a history of hosing CF cards! Use gphoto, Digikam (my preference) or Konqueror. The Canon 20D is not supported by the present stable version of Gphoto2 2.1.4. It is supported by the gphoto2 2.1.5 but it isn't marked as stable yet in portage for ~x86. Does anybody know what the problem is that it isn't marked stable yet? Kirby Walborn -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Time one hour off every time I start
Am Dienstag, 5. April 2005 13:10 schrieb ext fire-eyes: Each time I boot up my system, the system time has returned to what it was before, that is to say, it's exactly one hour early. I do an ntpdate and it's corrected. I reboot or power down, come back up, and it's set back to the wrong time again. In the bios, set your system clock to UTC time, then tell Linux about it, in /etc/conf.d/clock: CLOCK=UTC CLOCK_SYSTOHC=yes HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpQbQgnaBHVf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] USB mass storage help
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 05:34:10 -0600, Sarpy Sam wrote: The Canon 20D is not supported by the present stable version of Gphoto2 2.1.4. It is supported by the gphoto2 2.1.5 but it isn't marked as stable yet in portage for ~x86. Does anybody know what the problem is that it isn't marked stable yet? I've had no problems with 2.1.5. ~arch only means that the ebuild is still in testing, it has nothing to do with the stability of the software. -- Neil Bothwick Just when you got it all figured out: An UPGRADE! pgpWU9Fi3U4Yl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Time one hour off every time I start
Hello, On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:34:22 +0200 Dirk Heinrichs ext- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Dienstag, 5. April 2005 13:10 schrieb ext fire-eyes: Each time I boot up my system, the system time has returned to what it was before, that is to say, it's exactly one hour early. I do an ntpdate and it's corrected. I reboot or power down, come back up, and it's set back to the wrong time again. In the bios, set your system clock to UTC time, then tell Linux about it, in /etc/conf.d/clock: just a little addition here: No need to go to the bios, you can use hwclock. Be sure to check it's man page and be careful that /etc/ adjtime isn't set to some silly value afterwards (we've just discussed that here). OTO, that is not an issue when setting the clock in the BIOS. HWH -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Sending mail to a program
On Monday 04 April 2005 3:03 pm, Michael Sullivan wrote: Last year for my birthday my wife bought me a copy of the Sendmail Cookbook. As I was browsing through it I found a recipe for making sendmail forward mail with a particular address to a program on the sendmail's local hard drive. This fascinated me, but it doesn't say anything beyond how to set up sendmail to forward mail to the program. I created a program that did nothing but take the input it was given and write it down to a file. I then set the address up to forward mail to the program and cleared the program with smrsh. I checked the log files and my email was sent to the program, but the file my program was supposed to create was never created and I'm not sure why - nothing in the logs. Can anyone point me to any resources on how to do what I am attempting. If I can figure out how to do this the number of my applications of it would be virtually limitless... Hi, I did this for my community server (I wrote my own). But I'm using Postfix rather than Sendmail. However, the procedure shall be the very same. You have to read the incoming mail from stdin and then do whatever you want to do with it (e.g. parsing and interpreting commands ;) # part of /etc/mail/aliases yacsadmin: trapni, |/usr/bin/yacsadmin --receive-mail --config=/etc/yacs/mailreceiver.conf So, I'm still getting a copy of the files send to yacsadmin@ to verify wether my tool worked well or not. Have a look at my mailreceiver.cpp[1] and yacsadmin.cpp[2] to see how I got it working. Maybe you shall provide us with some more detail (source code?) since there may be there error, too ;) Cya, Christian Parpart. [1] http://svn.trapni-akane.org/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/server/yacsadmin/src/mailreceiver.cpp?root=yacsrev=1722view=auto [2] http://svn.trapni-akane.org/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/server/yacsadmin/src/yacsadmin.cpp?root=yacsrev=1735view=auto -- Netiquette: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt 14:05:57 up 13 days, 3:12, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.26, 0.20 pgpegKB5oUhdn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Duplicate posts from John Lowelljohnlowell@ameritech.net on the Digest
Walter Dnes wrote: First of all, the standard for most lists that you talk about *USED* to be to do exactly what this list does right now. Then Chip Rosenthal came along and put up a whine at http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html which can be summarized as follows... Duh, I'm an imcompetent point-n-drooler who sends private messages to public mailing lists. Please protect me against myself by defaulting all mailing list mail to go back to the original sender and making it more difficult to actually reply to the mailing list. And who cares if it screws up things for everybody else?. try: It all boils down to the fact that *all* MUA's are broken big time in terms of useability. and you'll be closer to the truth. I cannot send you a direct piece of e-mail without manually entering your address. It's not a question of whether or not I can but more why should I have to? Computers are here to make our lives easier but the software we run is horrible in terms of usability (especially if you're handicapped like I am). Now if developers can get off of their ego trips and listen to usability experts who have been telling them for the past 30 years how to make software more user-friendly, we might end up with computers (and MUA's) that people use because they want to not because they have to. ---eric -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines competition is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] what's the use of etcat use?
I learned I can use 'etcat use' if I don't know the meaning of the useflags. But the fact is I used gentoo for one year, everytime I get confused I will do 'etcat use' and I never got explanation of the use flags. Even the extremely complicated packages like mplayer and vlc both have no explanation on use flags. As well as big packages like xorg-x11. Is there anything wrong with my box? Can you give an example package that *has* explanation of the USE flags? So I can at least know 'etcat uses' *works* on some packages. juanita tmp # etcat uses vlc [ Colour Code : set unset ] [ Legend : (U) Col 1 - Current USE flags] [ : (I) Col 2 - Installed With USE flags ] juanita tmp # etcat uses mplayer [ Colour Code : set unset ] [ Legend : (U) Col 1 - Current USE flags] [ : (I) Col 2 - Installed With USE flags ] Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/etcat, line 677, in ? main() File /usr/bin/etcat, line 673, in main function(query, matches) File /usr/bin/etcat, line 364, in uses used = p.get_use_vars().split() AttributeError: Package instance has no attribute 'get_use_vars' juanita tmp # etcat uses xorg-x11 [ Colour Code : set unset ] [ Legend : (U) Col 1 - Current USE flags] [ : (I) Col 2 - Installed With USE flags ] Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/etcat, line 677, in ? main() File /usr/bin/etcat, line 673, in main function(query, matches) File /usr/bin/etcat, line 364, in uses used = p.get_use_vars().split() AttributeError: Package instance has no attribute 'get_use_vars' juanita tmp # uname -a Linux juanita 2.4.27-sparc-r1 #1 SMP Thu Dec 9 22:02:17 CST 2004 sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc II (BlackBird) GNU/Linux -- Real SoftService http://www.realss.com : 0086 592 2086411 Technical Contact: 0086 592 2086411 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Sending mail to a program
Here is my code:
#include fstream
using namespace std;
int main (int argc, char* argv[])
{
ofstream out;
out.open(/root/test.data);
for (int x = 0; x argc; x++)
out argv[x];
out.close();
return 0;
}
It works fine from the command line, but when I try to send mail to it
the file isn't written...
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 14:17 +0200, Christian Parpart wrote:
On Monday 04 April 2005 3:03 pm, Michael Sullivan wrote:
Last year for my birthday my wife bought me a copy of the Sendmail
Cookbook. As I was browsing through it I found a recipe for making
sendmail forward mail with a particular address to a program on the
sendmail's local hard drive. This fascinated me, but it doesn't say
anything beyond how to set up sendmail to forward mail to the program.
I created a program that did nothing but take the input it was given and
write it down to a file. I then set the address up to forward mail to
the program and cleared the program with smrsh. I checked the log files
and my email was sent to the program, but the file my program was
supposed to create was never created and I'm not sure why - nothing in
the logs. Can anyone point me to any resources on how to do what I am
attempting. If I can figure out how to do this the number of my
applications of it would be virtually limitless...
Hi,
I did this for my community server (I wrote my own). But I'm using Postfix
rather than Sendmail. However, the procedure shall be the very same.
You have to read the incoming mail from stdin and then do whatever you
want to do with it (e.g. parsing and interpreting commands ;)
# part of /etc/mail/aliases
yacsadmin: trapni, |/usr/bin/yacsadmin --receive-mail
--config=/etc/yacs/mailreceiver.conf
So, I'm still getting a copy of the files send to yacsadmin@ to verify wether
my tool worked well or not. Have a look at my mailreceiver.cpp[1] and
yacsadmin.cpp[2] to see how I got it working. Maybe you shall provide us with
some more detail (source code?) since there may be there error, too ;)
Cya,
Christian Parpart.
[1]
http://svn.trapni-akane.org/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/server/yacsadmin/src/mailreceiver.cpp?root=yacsrev=1722view=auto
[2]
http://svn.trapni-akane.org/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/server/yacsadmin/src/yacsadmin.cpp?root=yacsrev=1735view=auto
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Re: [gentoo-user] Duplicate posts from John Lowelljohnlowell@ameritech.net on the Digest
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:21:30 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: try: It all boils down to the fact that *all* MUA's are broken big time in terms of useability. and you'll be closer to the truth. I cannot send you a direct piece of e-mail without manually entering your address. You shouldn't make statements about all MUAs until you have tried all MUAs. In Sylpheed-claws I can send you a mail directly by selecting Reply to sender from the menu. I can also set up a default reply address for a mailing lists folder, so my replies default to the list regardless of the list settings. Using Reply to all is horrible. Not only does it mean you send two copies to this list, it also means the person you are replying to gets an extra copy in his/her personal mailbox. direct replies make sense on certain types of list, but not discussion lists like this. that's why all these arguments about which setup is intrinsically wrong are a waste of time. It all depends on the [purpose of the list, and this one is a help and discussion forums, where the interests of the majority are usually best served by the replies going to the list. -- Neil Bothwick To most people solutions mean finding the answers. But to chemists pgpi4vaX1YlRL.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] OT - Sending mail to a program
Here is my code:
#include fstream
using namespace std;
int main (int argc, char* argv[])
{
ofstream out;
out.open(/root/test.data);
for (int x = 0; x argc; x++)
out argv[x];
out.close();
return 0;
}
It works fine from the command line, but when I try to send mail to it
the file isn't written...
You're probably looking at a permissions problem. Sendmail (and other
mailers) typically run as non-root. Therefore when you are trying to open
/root/test.data it's probably failing miserably, throwing an exception, and
bailing.
Try changing to /tmp/test.data and see what happens.
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RE: [gentoo-user] Enemy Territory and Punkbuster
I know in Quake 3 (for Windows and Linux) I play the mod Urban Terror, and the only way to enable punkbuster is to open the console and type something along the lines of cl_pb_enable. Enemy Territory runs off a slightly modified Quake 3 engine, so it could likely be the same. Michael Turcotte Information Systems City of North Bay 200 McIntyre St. E PO Box 360 North Bay, Ontario P1B 8H8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cityofnorthbay.ca -Original Message- From: fire-eyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:49 PM To: gentoo-user Subject: [gentoo-user] Enemy Territory and Punkbuster I've installed Enemy Territory 2.60. When I try to connect to a server, it says I need punkbuster enabled. It has an option to turn it on. I choose that, try to join again, and i get booted for the same reason, with the same option to turn it on. What's going on? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] pernicious printer problem
Mariusz Pkala wrote: On 2005-04-05 08:32:11 +0200 (Tue, Apr), Michael Ulm wrote: My system has an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, with an AMD64 processor, running Gentoo amd64. CUPS gave no suspicious output (even after setting output to debug2). /var/log/messages told me that /dev/lp0 was successfully created, and lsmod shows that lp, parport, and parport_pc are loaded. Any ideas how to diagnose the problem? /var/log/cups/* ? Shows no problem. Maybe my paralell port is broken? I wonder how I could check this... hmm, I could solder a LED to a resistor or go wild with a multimeter. Does anyone have an idea what to do on the software side i.e. how to set/unset each pin? Michael -- Michael Ulm RD Team ISIS Information Systems Austria tel: +43 2236 27551-219, fax: +43 2236 21081 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our Website: www.isis-papyrus.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what's the use of etcat use?
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 20:39 +0800, wrote: I learned I can use 'etcat use' if I don't know the meaning of the useflags. But the fact is I used gentoo for one year, everytime I get confused I will do 'etcat use' and I never got explanation of the use flags. Even the extremely complicated packages like mplayer and vlc both have no explanation on use flags. As well as big packages like xorg-x11. Is there anything wrong with my box? Can you give an example package that *has* explanation of the USE flags? So I can at least know 'etcat uses' *works* on some packages. $ etcat etcat (0.3.1) - Portage Information Extractor - By: Alastair Tse NOTICE: This tool will be phased out at some point in the future, please use equery instead. Bugs are still fixed, but new features won't be added. SNIP So try: $ equery uses package_name eg. $ equery uses mozilla-firefox [ Searching for packages matching mozilla-firefox... ] [ Colour Code : set unset ] [ Legend: Left column (U) - USE flags from make.conf ] [ : Right column (I) - USE flags packages was installed with ] [ Found these USE variables for www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.0.2-r1 ] U I + + java : Adds support for Java - - mozsvg : Enable SVG support in mozilla and firefox - - debug : Tells configure and the makefiles to build for debugging. Effects vary across packages, but generally it will at least add -g to CFLAGS. Remember to set FEATURES=nostrip too + + java : Adds support for Java + + gnome : Adds GNOME support + + ldap : Adds LDAP support (Lightweight Directory Access Protocol) - - debug : Tells configure and the makefiles to build for debugging. Effects vary across packages, but generally it will at least add -g to CFLAGS. Remember to set FEATURES=nostrip too - - xinerama : Add support for the xinerama X11 extension, which allows you to stretch your display across multiple monitors - - xprint : Support for xprint, http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xprint/ - - moznoxft : Disable XFT support in mozilla (also firefox, thunderbird) - - mozdevelop : Enable features for web developers (e.g. Venkman) - - mozxmlterm : Enable mozilla's XML-based command-line terminal signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Duplicate posts from John Lowelljohnlowell@ameritech.net on the Digest
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:21:30 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: You shouldn't make statements about all MUAs until you have tried all MUAs. In Sylpheed-claws I can send you a mail directly by selecting Reply to sender from the menu. I can also set up a default reply address for a mailing lists folder, so my replies default to the list regardless of the list settings. believe me, I have tried and discarded more MUA's than most people. But you are right and I stand corrected on that point. I will argue however that it's the exception rather than the rule. Especially in Windows world where I am unfortunately bound (speech recognition dependent). another troubling point is the use of IMAP. Again most clients do it wrong to so trying to find a client that does IMAP and user interface right is a Sisyphian task. Using Reply to all is horrible. Not only does it mean you send two copies to this list, it also means the person you are replying to gets an extra copy in his/her personal mailbox. direct replies make sense on certain types of list, but not discussion lists like this. that's why all these arguments about which setup is intrinsically wrong are a waste of time. It all depends on the [purpose of the list, and this one is a help and discussion forums, where the interests of the majority are usually best served by the replies going to the list. understood and I mostly agree. It also highlights the fact that folks arguing about the wrong point in the user interface. It's not a problem of the list, it's a problem with the MUA. --- eric -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines competition is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Apache RProxy setup
Hi I use apache2 and mod_perl; I would like to setup a lightweight server (the default one on port 80) and a mod_perl enabled server (on the same machine) for processing the actual perl stuff. If I screw up perl I still have the static stuff available. There are also a series of benefits like speedups and reduced memory usage under loads... All these issues are well documented by the mod_perl folks in their docs. #ifdef WHAT_I_WOULD_DO Intuitively I would make a copy of /etc/apache2/conf named /etc/apache2/perlconf (maybe) to hold the configuration of my perl enabled apache. I would modify the copied configuration files so: 1. The server waits on a different port say 2080. 2. I don't think I want to server light pages so I would delete all configuration defining the manual, server-info, server-status... 3. I would redefine the default server page so the browser automatically redirects to the normal port. 4. Specify a new destination for the logs. I would copy /etc/conf.d/apache2 to /etc/conf.d/perlapache2 and /etc/init.d/apache2 to /etc/init.d/perlapache2 Modify /etc/init.d/perlapache2 and /etc/conf.d/perlapache2 use new a new pid file and set apache up so it starts using the perlconf apache configurations. A reverse proxy setup will be required in apache2/conf so specific page requests get proxied to my perl enabled server. And naturally the perl enabled server needs to be configured specifically to serve those proxied requests. #endif Is there a preferred *Gentoo* way setup this up? Any suggestions, pitfalls alerts, or comments are welcome. TIA Leo -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Apache RProxy setup
Leo wrote: Is there a preferred *Gentoo* way setup this up? Any suggestions, pitfalls alerts, or comments are welcome. yea, use pound. the Apache reverse proxy has some nasty pitfalls which can leave you open to attack by spammers. i.e. they use your proxy to connect to other mail servers. while you can close the holes, the question should be why work so hard? Pound fails safe unlike Apache which fails open. You can even use xforward options to make your logs more accurate on the Apache side. ---eric -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines competition is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] KDM configuration...
Are there any KDM experts out there that can offer some insight into this problem... I am migrating a system from SuSE linux 7.3 (I havn't found any strings identifying the version, but it says KDE2.2.1 on the box) to current Gentoo, and am having trouble finding a kdmrc setting that is as usable as the old SuSE one. I have configured the greeter on both systems with as far as I can see equivalent settings, with no default user or user list, and a clock rather than bitmap. That all works ok. Now on my old SuSE KDM, underneath the Password line is heading Session Type with a drop down menu which in its passive state shows the window manager that will be used by default once you enter your user name. On the bottom line are four buttons/menus: Go, Clear, Menu and Shutdown, with 'menu' just containing the 'restart x-server' option. However on my Gentoo install, I get no Session Type line, and only three options on the bottom line: Login, Clear and Menu. Now the Shutdown and Session Type functionality does exist on the gentoo setup, but it is burried down in the 'Menu' sub-menus, nowhere near as convenient to get to, and as I change window managers all the time, annoying not to have a display of what the default is going to be for the next session. So I am curious - is there a setting somewhere that I have not stumbled accross that controls this behaviour? Has KDM taken a backward step? Or did SuSE make some improvements that hasn't found their way into other systems yet?? I know it may seem like a small cosmetic feature, but it is the first thing someone sees when sitting down at the system, and it creates a bad first impression if the move to gentoo looks like having lost functionality even before you log in. Any ideas? Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.digbyt.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Annoying vim / keyboard behavior
My editor of choice is vim. I administer about 5 systems. On one of these, the following behavior happens. Before i decide to go into append or insert mode, I want to go to the end of a line. I hit the END key. The cursor flashes, and if there is a letter underneat it and it is lowecase, it's uppercased. No other systems do this to me. I'm ssh'ing into all of these systems from one system, so I'm using the same keyboard every time. Any ideas? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Sending mail to a program
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:56:04 -0400
Dave Nebinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're probably looking at a permissions problem. Sendmail (and other
mailers) typically run as non-root. Therefore when you are trying to
open/root/test.data it's probably failing miserably, throwing an
exception, and bailing.
Try changing to /tmp/test.data and see what happens.
This is correct.
Also, the code provided writes to file all the stuff it receives via its
command line arguments vector, which is not the right thing to do if (as
is more likely) sendmail passes the mail text via standard input, in
which case you have to rewrite your program such as follows:
#define _GNU_SOURCE
#include stdio.h
#include stdlib.h
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
FILE *out;
size_t len = 0;
char *line = NULL;
out = fopen(/tmp/output.txt, w);
if (!out) abort();
while (getline(line, len, stdin) != -1)
fprintf(out, %s, line);
fclose(out);
return EXIT_SUCCESS;
}
Bye
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Re: [gentoo-user] Annoying vim / keyboard behavior
On April 5, 2005 08:29 am, fire-eyes wrote: My editor of choice is vim. I administer about 5 systems. On one of these, the following behavior happens. Before i decide to go into append or insert mode, I want to go to the end of a line. I hit the END key. The cursor flashes, and if there is a letter underneat it and it is lowecase, it's uppercased. why not use standardized $ to get to the end of the line? End is not standard thus can behave differently on different systems. Using $ is safer and promises to behave same way regardless of system. No other systems do this to me. I'm ssh'ing into all of these systems from one system, so I'm using the same keyboard every time. Any ideas? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Dmitry Makovey Web Systems Administrator Athabasca University (780) 675-6245 pgpYIsCJbXa8T.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Annoying vim / keyboard behavior
Do you have ``set nocompatible'' in the vimrc on the system with this strange behaviour? Just a thougth Frank On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 10:29 -0400, fire-eyes wrote: My editor of choice is vim. I administer about 5 systems. On one of these, the following behavior happens. Before i decide to go into append or insert mode, I want to go to the end of a line. I hit the END key. The cursor flashes, and if there is a letter underneat it and it is lowecase, it's uppercased. No other systems do this to me. I'm ssh'ing into all of these systems from one system, so I'm using the same keyboard every time. Any ideas? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] 2005.0 no longer uses GENTOO_MIRRORS in make.conf
I have been using the same make.conf for several releases now. I have
set up a duplicate box here at work with the new 2005.0 install cd's
however, my new box doesn't seem to use the mirrors in make.conf. I
can't seem to figure out why, has this been depreciated?
I know this has worked for several past releases and it is crucial
because I'm behind a firewall which blocks all ftp access. Therefore
everything is blocked.
What's up here. my make.conf looks as follows:
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=pentium4 -Os -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -msse2
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp
PORT_LOGDIR=/var/log/portage
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage
SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
#PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
MAKEOPTS=-j
AUTOCLEAN=yes
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://open-systems.ufl.edu/mirrors/gentoo
http://gentoo.llarian.net/ http://gentoo.binarycompass.org
http://distfiles.gentoo.org
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo;
- Brad Serbu
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Re: [gentoo-user] Apache RProxy setup
Eric: I am not familiar with pound... My reverse proxy is only for web requests :) I want http://domain/perl/* to be proxied; I don't mind if my lightweight apache handles stuff like http://domain/imgs/logo.png That way my memory intensive perl app doesn't consume large amounts of memory for requests of static content (the lightweight non-apache server takes care of that) If each perl enabled apache process consumes 5 megas (depends on the app) 100 processes consumes 500 MB. I can cut the memory usage down by making my apache processes more specialized. Vanilla apache for requests that do not require perl and all it memory baggage, and Perl apache for those requests that are dependent on some perl processing. I can have 50 or 100 lightweight apache processes running and 5 or 10 perl enabled apache processes without paying for the memory of 100 perl processes. I am not sure if pound fits my requirements Leo Eric S. Johansson wrote: Leo wrote: Is there a preferred *Gentoo* way setup this up? Any suggestions, pitfalls alerts, or comments are welcome. yea, use pound. the Apache reverse proxy has some nasty pitfalls which can leave you open to attack by spammers. i.e. they use your proxy to connect to other mail servers. while you can close the holes, the question should be why work so hard? Pound fails safe unlike Apache which fails open. You can even use xforward options to make your logs more accurate on the Apache side. ---eric -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 2005.0 no longer uses GENTOO_MIRRORS in make.conf
Please ignore this stupid question Once again it's the small details
that you miss sometimes. My problem just happened to be the fact that I
didn't reset my source after chaning my /root directory location, hence
reloading my env variables (i.e. http_proxy).
- Brad Serbu
Bradley Serbu wrote:
I have been using the same make.conf for several releases now. I have
set up a duplicate box here at work with the new 2005.0 install cd's
however, my new box doesn't seem to use the mirrors in make.conf. I
can't seem to figure out why, has this been depreciated?
I know this has worked for several past releases and it is crucial
because I'm behind a firewall which blocks all ftp access. Therefore
everything is blocked.
What's up here. my make.conf looks as follows:
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=pentium4 -Os -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -msse2
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp
PORT_LOGDIR=/var/log/portage
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage
SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
#PORTAGE_NICENESS=3
MAKEOPTS=-j
AUTOCLEAN=yes
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://open-systems.ufl.edu/mirrors/gentoo
http://gentoo.llarian.net/ http://gentoo.binarycompass.org
http://distfiles.gentoo.org
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo;
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Sending mail to a program
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 4:42 pm, Michele Noberasco wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:56:04 -0400
[]
#define _GNU_SOURCE
#include stdio.h
#include stdlib.h
#include sysexits.h
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
FILE *out;
size_t len = 0;
char *line = NULL;
out = fopen(/tmp/output.txt, w);
if (!out) abort();
you shall this instead (as mentioned in the postfix docs):
if (!out) return EX_CANTCREAT;
The file sysexits.h defines lots of standard software error codes.
while (getline(line, len, stdin) != -1)
fprintf(out, %s, line);
hmm... I'm not complaining, it's your code. But this one would be better AFAIK
write(fileno(out), line, len);
return EXIT_SUCCESS;
For some reason, they provide EX_OK in the include file I mentioned above.
Bye
Michele Noberasco
Finally, just one question (I'm curious ;). Why did you switch from C++ to C?
(with regard to your provided sources)
Regards,
Christian Parpart.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Apache RProxy setup
Leo wrote: Eric: I am not familiar with pound... My reverse proxy is only for web requests :) I want http://domain/perl/* to be proxied; I don't mind if my lightweight apache handles stuff like http://domain/imgs/logo.png That way my memory intensive perl app doesn't consume large amounts of memory for requests of static content (the lightweight non-apache server takes care of that) If each perl enabled apache process consumes 5 megas (depends on the app) 100 processes consumes 500 MB. I can cut the memory usage down by making my apache processes more specialized. Vanilla apache for requests that do not require perl and all it memory baggage, and Perl apache for those requests that are dependent on some perl processing. I can have 50 or 100 lightweight apache processes running and 5 or 10 perl enabled apache processes without paying for the memory of 100 perl processes. I am not sure if pound fits my requirements I understand. Yes, it will work, yes. it does fit your requirements. I'm just not sure how to set the configuration file. It's probably something you will need to do with URL group but I haven't found the documentation. http://www.apsis.ch/pound/ -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines competition is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Re: [gentoo-user] physical location monitoring with Gentoo
I'd like to keep an eye on what's going on in my warehouse. I've got a solid 802.11g network going with WPA now. What do you guys suggest? I'm planning of implementing a project like this one too (using usb webcam). # eix -s zoneminder Search results: 1 * www-misc/zoneminder Available versions: ~0.9.12 Installed: no Homepage:http://www.zoneminder.com/ Description: ZoneMinder allows you to capture, analyse, record and monitor any cameras attached to your system. The website mentions support for IP network camera. Nice, zoneminder looks really cool. Have you played with it at all? I guess it requires MySQL, PHP, and Apache, but that makes sense. How will you decide on a camera that will be compatible? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] physical location monitoring with Gentoo
I'd like to keep an eye on what's going on in my warehouse. I've got a solid 802.11g network going with WPA now. What do you guys suggest? http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome Unfortunately, not in portage. It picked up a new lead developer in the past 6 months or so (levarson, I think), and is stable with active development. You may want to keep this in mind: Cowpatty: http://www.remote-exploit.org/?page=codes wpa_cracker: http://www.tinypeap.com/ Personally, if I'm setting up security infra, I would go wired. It's a PIA to set up, but worth it in the long run. WPA cracker? That's news to me. Is it as vulnerable as WEP now? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] pernicious printer problem
I know in the CUPS guide it suggests to push data right to /dev/lp0 ( echo bla bla bla /dev/lp0), did u try this? I know my printer at one point would print what I echoed to it, but not through cups. However don't ask me how I fixed it, I don't remember, and I'm not sure if I ever did. CUPS has never cooperated with my computer. if echo to lp0 works then its probably cups, and if it doesn't then something else. On Apr 5, 2005 9:14 AM, Michael Ulm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mariusz Pkala wrote: On 2005-04-05 08:32:11 +0200 (Tue, Apr), Michael Ulm wrote: My system has an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, with an AMD64 processor, running Gentoo amd64. CUPS gave no suspicious output (even after setting output to debug2). /var/log/messages told me that /dev/lp0 was successfully created, and lsmod shows that lp, parport, and parport_pc are loaded. Any ideas how to diagnose the problem? /var/log/cups/* ? Shows no problem. Maybe my paralell port is broken? I wonder how I could check this... hmm, I could solder a LED to a resistor or go wild with a multimeter. Does anyone have an idea what to do on the software side i.e. how to set/unset each pin? Michael -- Michael Ulm RD Team ISIS Information Systems Austria tel: +43 2236 27551-219, fax: +43 2236 21081 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our Website: www.isis-papyrus.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Filesystem Choices
Colin wrote: Just some questions about partitioning and filesystems... my boot partition (/dev/hda1) will be ext3, and I've got a gig of swap (/dev/hda2). Then what? You are on the right track. 10G should be good enough for most system partitions, just keep on eye on /usr/portage/distfiles to make sure it doesn't consume all of the space on your root volume. And reiserfs is the best choice for '/'. I would also suggest making a /var partition or LVM volume of 2-5GB. /var serves as the gentoo build space, as well as temporary file space. Thus the /var directory will experience a lot of file creations, modifications, and deletions, so it is best to keep it isolated from the rest of the system to cut down on fragmentation. This filesystem should also be reiserfs, for performance reasons. You might also create a /tmp partition of 1-2G. As for the media space (I'll call it /media), I don't think it particularly matters what filesystem you choose here. It doesn't sound like you will have more than a few thousand files there, and they will not be updated very often, so xfs, reiserfs, and ext2/3 are all suitable choices. Access time and throughput are not usually a problem for these types of files due to system and application buffering, so I would suggest /media be placed last on the disk so it occupies the inside (and slowest) cylinders. FYI, I have most of my media files on an external 4200rpm USB2 drive. The rest of the disk should probably be /home, and again, I doubt you will be able to notice a difference in the various filesystems for this space. You could combine /media and /home, but then you can't really mount it read-only. [Slightly Off Topic] With the current journaled filesystems for linux, it really doesn't make sense to talk about 'data-integrity'. Corrupted files are just as possible on reiserfs, xfs, jfs, and ext3 as they were on ext2. This is because, AFAIK, all of the current filesystems journal the filesystem meta-data only, so if the system crashes, the filesystem can repair itself. The filesystem makes no guarantees about repairing the files it contains. Reiser4 is one of the first to attempt file data journaling as well, but AFAICT, it is still fairly unstable. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
(Leaving all text intact for others to find all in one place.) Walter Thank You! This sounds very like what I am looking for for the consoles (though I would prefer longer lines). *And* it sounds like it won't mess with X. If I can't get X said wider console both working, I'll certainly try this. May even try it next time I boot Gentoo (in win now...) to ease the rest of the install work. Also printing this! ( B.T.W., Matir in LinuxQuestion.org provided an ATI-X link :: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ATI_Drivers that looks hopeful; checking now. ) Thank You!, Robert G. Hays. Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 06:49:02PM -0400, Robert G. Hays wrote Tty's are still 80x25, that's after a **LOT** of work. I really need this fixed too, I'll tackle this part. SVGATextMode is an absolute pain to get right. And you don't really need it for a nice crisp 80x48 (YES!) text display. First, make sure that you've enabled alternate text modes to begin with. The make menuconfig path is... Device Drivers --- Graphics support --- Console display driver support --- [*] Video mode selection support You *MUST* have Video mode selection support enabled. If it's not enabled, do so now. Next step is to put vga=6 into lilo or grub. When you reboot, you'll end up in the alternate VGA text mode, which is 640 pixels across by 480 scanlines. vga=6 loads the crummy 8x8 CGA fonts. This gives... 640 x 480 - = 80 x 60 8 x 8 Lots of lines, but murder on my eyes. Rather than 8 x 8 CGA, I prefer the following option in /etc/rc.conf CONSOLEFONT=lat1-10 This invokes an 8 x 10 font, which gives... 640 x 480 - = 80 x 48 8 x 10 Because of the extra 25% vertical detail, this gives a *MUCH* more readable display than vga=1 80 x 50 mode, which uses CGA 8 x 8 fonts on the default 640 x 400 VGA mode. For more details see my webpage... http://www.waltdnes.org/tips_and_tricks/textmodes.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] isa sound card and alsa
I have a box that has an alsa sound card. It works in knoppix, but I suspect that is oss as the modules is called sb, which doesn't sound like a alsa module to me. AFAIK Knoppix still uses OSS instead of ALSA. After dropping OSS and installing ALSA, you can try to use alsaconf from the alsa-utils to configure your card. On 2.6 kernels, your card should appear on /proc/asound/cards Best regards ce -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Video capture using Dazzle Digital Video Creator 120
Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, Has anyone done this? Can you recommend some Linux apps that will make video capture and relatively simple movie editing easy for my 12 year old? He's capturing XBox tricks and makes me boot my Gentoo laptop back into Win XP so that he can do the capture. The DVC120 is visible to things like usbview but after that I don't know where to turn. I tried Kino but it seemed very 1394 specific. I had bad experiences with Cinelera on another platform and am not anxious to build that unless it's significantly improved. I'm running a custom 2.6.9 kernel if it matters. Thanks in advance for your help. Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Search the internet, there are quite a few movie editing programs out there that are open source and work with linux. The biggest thing is if your capture card is supported by linux. Generally the best support is for the conexant and bt848 chips. You have to first find out if there is a driver for your card. Search for your cards make and try to find out what chip it uses, then look for linux drivers for said chip. Once you have that Id reccommend a simple capture program to test it, if it works then you can go on and use the editing packages. I have a bt848 chip and it captures everything jsut great (it captures at higher resultions and with fewer dropped frames then on any M$ system i have used). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] unsubscribing
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Re: [gentoo-user] Copying a disk
tar does have one drawback that may or nay not matter to you -- it needs somewhere to put the tarball. The obvious answer is to put it on your new, blank, drive. However, cp -dpRa /* /mnt/newdrive -does- do the job properly; it complains that it is skipping the recursive copy of /mnt/newdrive, and gets it done. As for speed, I've used both techniques, and I think the above cp is faster, but I could be wrong... YMMV. And if you have a separate /boot partition, that probably needs to be copied as a whole partition, not a system full of files (in my experience). Best, rgh. Ow Mun Heng wrote: On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 10:06 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 02:59:07PM +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: Do not use cp, it doesn't preserve permission bits. cp -a does and is much faster than rsync. if you want to populate new hard drive w/o anything on it. I suggest you use Tar as it is faster and it uses block copy rather than char-by-char. (sys-apps/coreutils-5.2.1-r4) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] isa sound card and alsa
[OT] A note about ALSA. ALSA disappionted me greatly. A week ago I moved my home server to a new box, intel i810 mainboard video,audio integrated. When trying to get the integrated crappy AC97 to work ALSA produced terrible noise. The sound card was TOTALLY unusable. After moving back to OSS, card runs smoothly, no noise, nothing! Maybe ALSA cannot handle this card, maybe it was simply a misconfiguration. When running 2.6 kernels, I'd like to recommend to disable all OSS stuff in the kernel before using ALSA. Then a first try can be to run alsaconf. OTOH, on a server I guess it's really OK to use OSS if it works. Best regards ce -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] isa sound card and alsa
Trying Mdk 10.1, I found that I had to turn OFF the line ('phone-plug
wire in middle of mixer) and headphone columns; was getting squeal-noise
this fixed it for me, might for you, too.
best,
rgh.
krzaq wrote:
On Apr 5, 2005 4:24 AM, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FATAL: Error inserting snd_es18xx (/lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r5/kernel/sound/isa/snd-es18xx.ko): No such
device
First off, instead of using isapnp tools try the ISA PnP built in kernel 2.6.
This _should_ get your card going without dumping uncomenting anything.
As for the ES1869
I have a card witch shows in windows 98 as ES1887 but runs on the module
ES688 (or similar, dont have the source...). Give that one a try.
[OT] A note about ALSA.
ALSA disappionted me greatly. A week ago I moved my home
server to a new box, intel i810 mainboard video,audio integrated.
When trying to get the integrated crappy AC97 to work
ALSA produced terrible noise. The sound card was TOTALLY unusable.
After moving back to OSS, card runs smoothly, no noise, nothing!
Wierd ...
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Re: [gentoo-user] unsubscribing
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My system startup (was More on fbuffer andgrub setup)
Ow Mun Heng wrote: On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 20:51 +0200, Richard Fish wrote: Long answer: Sager NP5680...3Ghz P4/w HT, 512k L2 cache, 800Mhz FSB, 1GB RAM, 2 Hitachi 60Gb 7200rpm drives, DVD+/-R/RW. It weighs around 11-12 lbs That's a Heavy laptop. Big A$$ too. Since it's a P4 Desktop processor at Yeah, but it is a lightweight compared to its replacement that I will be buying late this year: http://www.sagernotebook.com/pages/notebooks/product.cfm?ProductType=9860 Definately. And since you're running on 7200rpm Drives, it's way better than my 5400. Depending on the location of your drives, don't it becomes unbearably hot?? (mine's on the left Wrist pad which makes it ultra hot esp after a long backup session) Similar problem, my drives are under the right wrist. I definitly notice a warming sensation during a 2-hour full-system backup. But it is not much worse than 5400rpm drives...if you check the manufacturer specs you will probably find that they consume only slightly more power and dissipate slightly more heat than most 5400rpm drives. The only bad thing in the NP5680 is that the two drives are stacked on top of each other, with no ventilation, so if I don't use my laptop cooler that blows air on the underside of the laptop, the top drive can get pretty hot (up to 55C according to hddtemp). With the cooler there and running, they never top 50C, and mostly stay around 40C. It is certainly more comfortable than laying my left hand next to the laptop though...that is where the CPU exhaust goes, and when the system is busy, it makes a great coffee warmer! I'll have to see how it fares for me. Hope there isn't a big learning curve for this. Well, it can be a lot of work unfortunately, especially if you decide to encrypt your root filesystem, because then you really need a custom boot CD (unless someone knows of one that already supports loop-AES?). But if you leave root unencrypted, you don't have to worry about your system just not booting, you might just lose access to your personal files while you figure out what got messed up. The biggest risk is that if you lose your encrypted key file, well, your data is essentially gone. So make sure you have your key file (systemkey.gpg in my example) in multiple physical locations, and don't forget the password (obviously!). -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] timesheet - to keep track of employee time etc
Does anybody know of any timesheet program in portage that would allow track employee time etc? -- #Joseph -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Time one hour off every time I start
Only problem with UTC in bios is for those of us who (have to!) keep MonopolSoft's wunnerful(Hic!) system on the same computer. sigh. rgh. Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: snip On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:34:22 +0200 Dirk Heinrichs ext- In the bios, set your system clock to UTC time, then tell Linux about it, in /etc/conf.d/clock: snip -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] rkhunter / php 4.3.10
I just ran rkhunter -c on my system, and it is saying php 4.3.10 is vulnerable. I'm running an x86 system. Doing an emerge -pv php shows the same version, no upgrades. Is rkhunter crazy, or did I miss something? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gentoo Docs FAQ: Rules Suggestion
While it's certain that people join the Gentoo mailing list (or any other mailing list for that matter) to get help with the software...I think that in some respects some times folks are not being mature with respect to the community aspect of the list and in other cases are outright abusing the list (which I myself have done as well) I think that we should make some rules for the list. For example on the BIND mailing list, one of the rules was before you submitted a post, you needed to do some research online and check the archieves, b/c if you didn't then you got dogged out (and (perhaps) rightly so) for it. While it is mentioned that there are no official archieves at: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml Folks can find certain answers and postings if they use google... This is just a suggestion, and I certainly apologize if I offend anyone with it, but I think that we want to maintain the list as a center of high quality discussion and information sharing, and not get bogged down with redundant issues. Shawn -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Filesystem Choices
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:15:53 +0200, Richard Fish wrote: You are on the right track. 10G should be good enough for most system partitions, just keep on eye on /usr/portage/distfiles to make sure it doesn't consume all of the space on your root volume. Or use a different directory, the location can be changed in /etc/make.conf. I would also suggest making a /var partition or LVM volume of 2-5GB. /var serves as the gentoo build space, as well as temporary file space. Thus the /var directory will experience a lot of file creations, modifications, and deletions, so it is best to keep it isolated from the rest of the system to cut down on fragmentation. Once again, you can point PORTAGE_TMPDIR to wherever you want. I have a large partition I use for things like building ISO images, intermediate video file and suchlike and have PORTAGE_TMPDIR set to a directory on this partition. [Slightly Off Topic] With the current journaled filesystems for linux, it really doesn't make sense to talk about 'data-integrity'. Corrupted files are just as possible on reiserfs, xfs, jfs, and ext3 as they were on ext2. This is because, AFAIK, all of the current filesystems journal the filesystem meta-data only, so if the system crashes, the filesystem can repair itself. The filesystem makes no guarantees about repairing the files it contains. Reiser4 is one of the first to attempt file data journaling as well, but AFAICT, it is still fairly unstable. ext3 also has an option to journal the data, but there's a significant performance hit. -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Pooh as he farted in front of a badly placed candle pgpyZUUsx5kz3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Copying a disk
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:31:04 -0400, Robert G. Hays wrote: tar does have one drawback that may or nay not matter to you -- it needs somewhere to put the tarball. The obvious answer is to put it on your new, blank, drive. It doesn't need to create a tarball file at all. By default, tar uses stdout, you need the -f option to use a file, so you can copy a partition with tar -cl /source | tar -xC /dest/ I still prefer rsync for this though. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 00A: Promotional literature overflow - Mailbox full pgpUd5wT9NrbG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Copying a disk
tar does have one drawback that may or nay not matter to you -- it needs somewhere to put the tarball. The obvious answer is to put it on your new, blank, drive. It doesn't need to create a tarball file at all. By default, tar uses stdout, you need the -f option to use a file, so you can copy a partition with tar -cl /source | tar -xC /dest/ ...or you could use this: (cd /original_folder tar -clpsf- *) | (cd /new_folder tar -xpsf-) ...courtesy of http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/OneDiskToAnother I've used this successfully, and it's fairly quick... shrug -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Apache RProxy setup
Eric S. Johansson wrote: Leo wrote: Eric: I am not familiar with pound... My reverse proxy is only for web requests :) I am not sure if pound fits my requirements I understand. Yes, it will work, yes. it does fit your requirements. I'm just not sure how to set the configuration file. It's probably something you will need to do with URL group but I haven't found the documentation. http://www.apsis.ch/pound/ Thanks, I took a look. I will need to run two apache servers anyway, I benefit from having a more secure RProxy, and it has load balancing features which is nice as you can scale your web app/site to several machines if needed. I'll read the docs. Leo Leo -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Copying a disk
Hey!, learn something new every day! Thanks!, rgh. Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:31:04 -0400, Robert G. Hays wrote: tar does have one drawback that may or nay not matter to you -- it needs somewhere to put the tarball. The obvious answer is to put it on your new, blank, drive. It doesn't need to create a tarball file at all. By default, tar uses stdout, you need the -f option to use a file, so you can copy a partition with tar -cl /source | tar -xC /dest/ I still prefer rsync for this though. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Time one hour off every time I start
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:44:37 -0400, Robert G. Hays wrote: Only problem with UTC in bios is for those of us who (have to!) keep MonopolSoft's wunnerful(Hic!) system on the same computer. No problem, Gentoo is smart enough to know about such things. Set your BIOS clock to local time and put CLOCK=local in /etc/conf.d/clock - or possibly in /etc/rc.conf, depending on your baselayout version. -- Neil Bothwick A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all. pgpiNKRupjMmK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] unsubscribing
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Docs FAQ: Rules Suggestion
I just tried the three sites they listed, and I myself liked Gmane best, by a *long* way. rgh = $0.02 Shawn Singh wrote: While it's certain that people join the Gentoo mailing list (or any other mailing list for that matter) to get help with the software...I think that in some respects some times folks are not being mature with respect to the community aspect of the list and in other cases are outright abusing the list (which I myself have done as well) I think that we should make some rules for the list. For example on the BIND mailing list, one of the rules was before you submitted a post, you needed to do some research online and check the archieves, b/c if you didn't then you got dogged out (and (perhaps) rightly so) for it. While it is mentioned that there are no official archieves at: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml Folks can find certain answers and postings if they use google... This is just a suggestion, and I certainly apologize if I offend anyone with it, but I think that we want to maintain the list as a center of high quality discussion and information sharing, and not get bogged down with redundant issues. Shawn -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Filesystem Choices
Neil Bothwick wrote: Once again, you can point PORTAGE_TMPDIR to wherever you want. I have a large partition I use for things like building ISO images, intermediate video file and suchlike and have PORTAGE_TMPDIR set to a directory on this partition. Yes, configuring portage for your needs is good advice. My point is mostly that you want to keep 'temporary' files and 'permanent' files separated. Same goal, different method. I still think you want /var to be a separate partition, but it could be smaller in that case, maybe 1-2G. Just keep in mind that /usr/tmp is a link to /var/tmp, and many applications that use /usr/tmp expect a virtually unlimited amount of disk space to be available. [Slightly Off Topic] With the current journaled filesystems for linux, it really doesn't make sense to talk about 'data-integrity'. Corrupted files are just as ext3 also has an option to journal the data, but there's a significant performance hit. Thanks...good to know. I have never used ext3, so my knowledge about it is quite limited. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Duplicate posts from John Lowelljohnlowell@ameritech.net on the Digest
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:21:30 -0400 Eric S. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Now if developers can get off of their ego trips and listen to | usability experts who have been telling them for the past 30 years | how to make software more user-friendly, we might end up with | computers (and MUA's) that people use because they want to not | because they have to. Having listened to said usability experts and found that all the software that I like completely breaks at least five of their seven heuristics, I wouldn't be inclined to take them too seriously... Their main premise seems to be that learning is bad. And if you don't want to learn, you're using the wrong distribution... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpJNjjz6USPH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] learning to write ebuilds, failed to login anonymously into cvs server
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:32:58 +0800 __ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hello. I am reading the ebuild handbook, trying to make and maintain | ebuilds myself. | | The first step is to checkout gentoo-x86 module, You can't. Access to gentoo CVS is limited to developers. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpWVWlOkRjPM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Annoying vim / keyboard behavior
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:29:05 -0400 fire-eyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | My editor of choice is vim. I administer about 5 systems. On one of | these, the following behavior happens. | | Before i decide to go into append or insert mode, I want to go to the | end of a line. I hit the END key. The cursor flashes, and if there is | a letter underneat it and it is lowecase, it's uppercased. | | No other systems do this to me. I'm ssh'ing into all of these systems | from one system, so I'm using the same keyboard every time. | | Any ideas? Is this a non-Gentoo system? Or a system running vim7? Or a vim you compiled outside of portage? Or a vim built with USE=minimal, or without USE=ncurses? It's a terminfo issue, and I *thought* we had that fixed on Gentoo with vim63 built with USE=ncurses -minimal... -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpV0Jp0Hz9iV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Docs FAQ: Rules Suggestion
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:03:08 -0400 Shawn Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I think that we should make some rules for the list. If a sane list is produced that won't cause huge flamewars, I'll pass it on to the relevant people for consideration. They will probably be rejected with something like this is all common sense stuff, so there's no point writing it up. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpLELVdKKvsW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Docs FAQ: Rules Suggestion
Shawn Singh wrote: I think that we should make some rules for the list. I mostly agree, but I would add a rule for 'exsiting' members as well. If we are going to bitch about somebody not checking archives before asking for help, we should come up with a better answer than learn to google, dumbass! ;- Something like: -- Topic already discussedin great detail. If you haven't already done so, search the archives. If you have already searched, try again, using the words key1, key2, ... -- Sometimes people just don't know where to start looking. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Help!: ATI -and Gentoo -and ( Xorg -or Xfree86 )
On Apr 4, 2005 6:52 PM, Robert G. Hays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Replies inlined... Justin Patrin wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 5:58 PM, Robert G. Hays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the reply! The problem is to date, I cannot get Xorg to go to a higher resolution than 640x480, and only acknolwedges one of the two monitors (uselessly duplicates teh one monitor onto the other, which is the power-on default for the card. I was trying to find any such while running Gentoo, but no framebeffer, either, and so far Gentoo does not like my ps/2 trackbball-mouse, so I had no luck. Today I have booted Win98SE, and am just about to go looking again where I can *see* something besides all those lovely serifs in 80x25 mode. And I have spent the last 7, repeat, *seven* entire days trying to get Gentoo installed. What I need is 10x7 + 10x7, or better yet 12x10 + 10x7, either as one large desltop or as two separate desktops, preferrably switchable by momentarily zapping X issuing one command from the tt, probably just swappping between two X*.conf's. I did try the Gentoo fglrx driver config, but after emerging it, I found out that this is still Xfree86-only, so I can't use it under Xorg. I don't know why you think this...the fglrx and config program work fine for xorg since a little while ago. The first version I used I had to change some conf settings (found on a howto), but the latest version I had installed created a conf that worked fine in xorg. Did you try ~x86? 1) 'startx' fails, and the Xorg log states that fglrx requires Xfree86, thus why I think this; did I miss something? Or are there two versions of fglrx., one for each Xorg Xfree86? emerge coulda got da wrong one, I s'pose... (whatever the computer did, was whatever it darned jolly well wanted to, but on top of that, yeah, I do claim to be human, with all that that implies...) Bottom line, do you happen to know the correct version for emerge's Xorg on k-2.6.11-g-r4 or something near-by? Well...I don't know what to tell you. I updated to the newest driver and it supported xorg. My computer is unfortunately down so I can't really tell you what version is installed (argh). It *does* support xorg, though. I *know* I was running xorg-x11. 2) '-x86'; please specify where in what you mean; part of 'created fixes' was stage3 from universalCD, and ended up building everything new as -march=athlon-xp? Did I do a 'goofus, Rufus, you doofus' here? Maybe I need to rebuild *everyting* (...human...)? You never need to rebuild everything unless you goofed up your arch or cpu, in which case you're very likely to be screwed. By ~x86 I meant did you try the unstable version of the ati driver? To do this you need to add an entry in the /etc/portage/package.keywords file (I think). Sorry, again my server is down so I don't have the exact line. Check the portage usage manual pages for more. Also, I noticed that switching between the conf files didn't seem to work. I think the config program may make some other changes (perhaps some /proc stuff?) which forced me to re-run the config program if I wanted to change my configuration. ...re-run the config program... Urgh!; Well, I can go looking, if so maybe I can find a way to deal with that, too... Thank you for _that_ warning; I'll be prepared if I can ever get that far. Yeah...it's a pain. But perhaps *I* was doing something wrong. ;-) Thanks again!, rgh. So, I need a full-feature driver that runs under Xorg, or I need the Xfree86 system installed. Any thoughts? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Justin Patrin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Gigabit 64-bit NIC's in 2.6 kernels?
Hello, I'm running a 2.6 kernel, and have free 64-bit slots. I'm looking for a Gigabit NIC. Any recommendations? I hear Intel's are well regarded. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gigabit 64-bit NIC's in 2.6 kernels?
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:19:59 -0400 fire-eyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I'm running a 2.6 kernel, and have free 64-bit slots. I'm looking for | a Gigabit NIC. | | Any recommendations? I hear Intel's are well regarded. Intel e1000 chipset. IBM make very good cards that use this. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpqVrIPQxfzw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Filesystem Choices
Hi, On Tuesday 05 April 2005 08:46, Colin wrote: Just some questions about partitioning and filesystems... my boot partition (/dev/hda1) will be ext3, and I've got a gig of swap (/dev/hda2). Then what? ext3 for /boot is just overkill. Since /boot is alsmost never mounted, the journal is just a waste of space. You only write to /boot when you install your new kernel and a crash in that few seconds is very unlikly (and will be a disaster with every fs), so go the easy way, ext2 for /boot is fine. Apropos space 15mb are well enough for /boot so a small ext2 will be fine. For the rest, if you are the only one who uses your box, one big partition for / and one for /home will be fine. If not, a part for /var and /tmp should be considered. How big each depends on the size of your harddisk and personal taste. reisefs is well suited for that task, xfs has a habit of replacing files with zeros, when the box crashes (this is a security feature, but quite hazardous for your data). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gigabit 64-bit NIC's in 2.6 kernels?
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 19:33 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: Intel e1000 chipset. IBM make very good cards that use this. Good to hear, I was already leaning in this direction. Thanks! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] system with no network needs updates
Ok, I actually went and tested this out this time. The %20 are from wget
escaping spaces, they are not in the file so you could do
cat links.txt | sort | uniq | sed -e 's/ .*//' | xargs -n 1 wget -c
the sort | uniq pipeline removes identical lines and wget -c option
makes sure that if there is a doubleup, the files dont get overwritten.
Its a hack but it should work. It relies on the first mirror for each
package being valid. If its not, it will not get that package since sed
prunes all but the first link. So if one of the packages doesnt
download, you'll have to get one of the links for it manually and
download it.
Alternatively you could try:
cat links.txt | sort | uniq | xargs -n 1 -i{} sh -c 'for i in {}; do
wget -c $i break; done'
this command will actually iterate over the alternative links for each
file until it one of them works. It's ot perfect but works reasonably
well for me. Use this one and if it breaks for you, use the first, less
complicated line.
Eugene.
PS and I dont see how the line in the wiki could have worked well unless
emerge -fp used to have different behavior.
Thanks a lot Eugene, that second line worked great. Let me know if I
should update the wiki:
gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Gentoo_for_dialup_users
- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Duplicate posts from John Lowelljohnlowell@ameritech.net on the Digest
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:21:30 -0400 Eric S. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Now if developers can get off of their ego trips and listen to | usability experts who have been telling them for the past 30 years | how to make software more user-friendly, we might end up with | computers (and MUA's) that people use because they want to not | because they have to. Having listened to said usability experts and found that all the software that I like completely breaks at least five of their seven heuristics, I wouldn't be inclined to take them too seriously... Their main premise seems to be that learning is bad. I think I understand. The usability experts were using a language not common to geeks. if you listen to them with the ears of taxi drivers, insurance agents, doctors, salesman (i.e. 99.99 percent of the world), you'll hear them say that you should not surprise users. Behavior should be consistent, don't hide interface elements, let there be multiple ways of finding the same operation (open file versus get file). There is a whole list of things to do and not do. The Macintosh does a phenomenal job at being a good user interface most of the time. Unfortunately their errors are quite glaring and persistent. much of computer literacy is simply acquiring enough scar tissue so that the interface doesn't hurt so much anymore. You have obviously built up a significant onto scar tissue and are no longer sensitive to interface problems. If you want to see how bad things are, try telling a naive user to type what you want them to type. Corrections only come after they have completed typing what you just said. Welcome to my world. And if you don't want to learn, you're using the wrong distribution... like I said there is learning and there is scar tissue. Learning serves a purpose, scar tissue is just hazing. so, is gentoo about hazing or being useful? ---eric -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines competition is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Docs FAQ: Rules Suggestion
I certainly agree that the hypothetical rules ;) should be applied to everyone and I think your suggestions are great as to nice things to say to folks who violate those rules. Let's see what more folks have to say...as this is a big pond... On Apr 5, 2005 2:15 PM, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Singh wrote: I think that we should make some rules for the list. I mostly agree, but I would add a rule for 'exsiting' members as well. If we are going to bitch about somebody not checking archives before asking for help, we should come up with a better answer than learn to google, dumbass! ;- Something like: -- Topic already discussedin great detail. If you haven't already done so, search the archives. If you have already searched, try again, using the words key1, key2, ... -- Sometimes people just don't know where to start looking. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Duplicate posts from John Lowelljohnlowell@ameritech.net on the Digest
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:57:31 -0400 Eric S. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Having listened to said usability experts and found that all the | software that I like completely breaks at least five of their seven | heuristics, I wouldn't be inclined to take them too seriously... | Their main premise seems to be that learning is bad. | | I think I understand. The usability experts were using a language not | common to geeks. The problem is that the usability experts are (deliberately) thinking like the average computer illiterate man on the street, rather than considering the idea that maybe it's best to have to learn how to use powerful, expensive equipment. | if you listen to them with the ears of taxi drivers, insurance agents, | doctors, salesman (i.e. 99.99 percent of the world), you'll hear them | say that you should not surprise users. Behavior should be | consistent, don't hide interface elements, let there be multiple ways | of finding the same operation (open file versus get file). There is | a whole list of things to do and not do. The Macintosh does a | phenomenal job at being a good user interface most of the time. I've used OSX. It's horrible. The entire operating system is designed to hide as much as possible of what's actually going on, and instead presenting it in hugely flawed metaphors. | Unfortunately their errors are quite glaring and persistent. And when the metaphors break down, the users are utterly screwed, even if they *do* have a technical background, because they've been trained so hard to think in terms of these daft metaphors. Oh, and don't expect any help from technical people either, because they can't get the information they need or do the things they need to do because it's all hidden behind broken abstractions. | If you want to see how bad things are, try telling a naive user to | type what you want them to type. Corrections only come after they | have completed typing what you just said. Welcome to my world. Which is why naive users shouldn't be unleashed upon computers without some kind of training first. | And if you don't want | to learn, you're using the wrong distribution... | | like I said there is learning and there is scar tissue. Learning | serves a purpose, scar tissue is just hazing. so, is gentoo about | hazing or being useful? It's about being useful. In order for it to be useful, you need to learn how to use it. Given a choice between giving the user power or making things easy for a user who isn't prepared to spend a few minutes learning, we make things powerful. Did I mention that vim is the pinnacle of user interface design? -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpPKYl7nhObn.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
Bjoern Michaelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 09:28:48PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: Yes, for my usage (2 user home network) mbox is superior. But of course we are now into the slippery ground of opinion. For me its simpler and more tools recognize it by default. Such as mutt and a number of home written perl scripts and etc. Well, we are on a slippery ground indeed, but mutt works perfectly with maildir, when the maildir USE-Flags is set ... Bjoern, thanks for you major contributions on this thread... very helpfull. Now about that slippery ground... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . but mutt works perfectly with maildir That is of course not by default as I stipulated. That is, mutt comes from mutt developers in a release pkg. That pkg understands mbox with no tweaking (by default) not maildir or some other formats. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Turn of maildir
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, for my usage (2 user home network) mbox is superior. But of course we are now into the slippery ground of opinion. For me its simpler and more tools recognize it by default. Such as mutt and a number of home written perl scripts and etc. OK I understand now that you are not floundering in the dark, or jumping in where angels fear etc. Recompiling without the maildir USE flag and with the mbox flag should help, as already discussed. Having said that I have never done it, don't use sendmail and am wedded top maildir for the moment. Good luck :-) Thanks, I think I may understand how to do it now.. from the input in this thread. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] 3Com Gigabit NIC's in Linux?
I can't really tell if these 3com gigabit NIC's work in linux, anybody happen to know? 3C996B-T 3C2000-T -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Docs FAQ: Rules Suggestion
The think is though, in my case anyways, is that the computer that I read these emails on and usually post from, does not have access to the WWW. The only access I get is to the company's MS Exchange server. So if I am having a problem with my server at home, I usually post it and read the responses while at work on my spare time, so I can't always check the archives before making a post. Michael Turcotte Information Systems City of North Bay 200 McIntyre St. E PO Box 360 North Bay, Ontario P1B 8H8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cityofnorthbay.ca -Original Message- From: Shawn Singh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Docs FAQ: Rules Suggestion While it's certain that people join the Gentoo mailing list (or any other mailing list for that matter) to get help with the software...I think that in some respects some times folks are not being mature with respect to the community aspect of the list and in other cases are outright abusing the list (which I myself have done as well) I think that we should make some rules for the list. For example on the BIND mailing list, one of the rules was before you submitted a post, you needed to do some research online and check the archieves, b/c if you didn't then you got dogged out (and (perhaps) rightly so) for it. While it is mentioned that there are no official archieves at: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml Folks can find certain answers and postings if they use google... This is just a suggestion, and I certainly apologize if I offend anyone with it, but I think that we want to maintain the list as a center of high quality discussion and information sharing, and not get bogged down with redundant issues. Shawn -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Duplicate posts from John Lowelljohnlowell@ameritech.net on the Digest
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: The problem is that the usability experts are (deliberately) thinking like the average computer illiterate man on the street, rather than considering the idea that maybe it's best to have to learn how to use powerful, expensive equipment. that's because they are the users. it appears to me you're advocating the equivalent of only designing cars for Formula One race car drivers because that is it's best to have to learn how to use powerful, expensive equipment. I've used OSX. It's horrible. The entire operating system is designed to hide as much as possible of what's actually going on, and instead presenting it in hugely flawed metaphors. personally I think it's wonderful. Ninety percent of the time it does what I expect and I figure out the odd corners store the data the section of my brain that formally held VI command sequences. and I had space left over. now windows on the other hand just plain sucks all-around. And when the metaphors break down, the users are utterly screwed, even if they *do* have a technical background, because they've been trained so hard to think in terms of these daft metaphors. Oh, and don't expect any help from technical people either, because they can't get the information they need or do the things they need to do because it's all hidden behind broken abstractions. I watch OS X users and they end up befuddled far less than Windows or Linux GUI users. The proof is in the observation. Watch usability studies in a real HCI lab and the Macintosh usability stands out in a good way | If you want to see how bad things are, try telling a naive user to | type what you want them to type. Corrections only come after they | have completed typing what you just said. Welcome to my world. Which is why naive users shouldn't be unleashed upon computers without some kind of training first. it's an experiment you can do to demonstrate how bad usability is. If you cannot tell someone what to do and have them get it right on the first try, then the system is wrong, horribly wrong. in other words, it's not the user's fault as much as you try to blame them. It's about being useful. In order for it to be useful, you need to learn how to use it. Given a choice between giving the user power or making things easy for a user who isn't prepared to spend a few minutes learning, we make things powerful. if it's about being useful, why have we not replaced primitive shells with shells built around clean languages like python? why do we still keep editors like Emacs and VI. Why is resolv.conv and creat missing one letter? why he do our file systems not keep a history of what we have changed? The list just goes on and on. so much of are systems are arcane requiring memorization rather than knowledge in order to be able to get a reasonable amount of work done. I have mentioned this before and I will (I promise) publish the scripts I have for automating the install process of gentoo. Building was not hard. I'm not happy with usability for customization but the point is something like this could have been built into gentoo distributions a year or two ago. Installation would become trivial but still the hand breaking manual option would still the available. This would improve usability of the install process, make it repeatable and generally improve the user experience. It's not rocket science either from a technical or psychological perspective. so why did have to wait for a former developer with keyboard crippled hands to create them? Did I mention that vim is the pinnacle of user interface design? I could've sworn it was Emacs with mutt running a close third. ---eric -- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/view.html?pg=5 The result of the duopoly that currently defines competition is that prices and service suck. We're the world's leader in Internet technology - except that we're not. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Revdep-rebuild always rebuilds opera; fixpackages doesn't
I see those threads too. Maybe my first one got dropped, resulting in no replies, but it's in my sent mail folder, so I surely tried. In any event, I get the impression that opera is a problem in this regard, but don't understand why, if that is so, OO is not giving me the same thing, because most of the folks said they both act this way. Go figure. ++ kevin On Apr 3, 2005 6:31 PM, John Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 03 April 2005 17:45, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: Funny you should mention that. My archives show that on 2005-02-20, it was me thatI posted about this problem and got exactly 0 responses. That's my archive on gmail -- maybe I missed a bunch of traffic. I'll look for the official archives. Hmm... My archive (which goes back to December) does not have any message from you asking this question. ...Unless your name is also Dan Johansson. Or if you hijacked another thread to ask your question The one I'm referencing is '[gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild will allways rebuild OO' by Dan Johansson Also check out '[gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild always emerges the same package' by Grant on from this last Thursday. -- Go back to the top: I almost always top-post Kevin O'Gorman, PhD -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Duplicate posts from John Lowelljohnlowell@ameritech.net on the Digest
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:57:31 -0400 Eric S. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I think I understand. The usability experts were using a language not | common to geeks. The problem is that the usability experts are (deliberately) thinking like the average computer illiterate man on the street, rather than considering the idea that maybe it's best to have to learn how to use powerful, expensive equipment. Why do I get the feeling that the following sequence occurs far too often? At least steps 1-6... 1. GUI designer/programmer (GD) implements functional GUI for most program features. Has some hidden, difficult to discover, but highly useful features. May require reading user manual or tutorial before first usage. 2. Usability expert (UE) tries to help GD fix interface so new users don't get confused. Firmly believes this can be done without sacrificing any cool features. 3. GD hears UE tell him he did everything wrong. 4. GD decides the only way to please the UE is to make an interface that presumes that the user is a complete idiot. UE gives up trying to speak to the GD, and contents himself with the fact that at least new users can use the program. 5. Experienced user gets program, becomes irritated that the program thinks it is smarter than he/she is. 6. Experienced user grabs Gentoo installation CD and starts compiling. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
