Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Jane,

I thought I remembered them saying the stockinette machines at Hurt's were
from the 16th C (I still find it amazing they are still working after four
centuries) -- they were definitely English. I know that the
machine-knitting industry started under Queen Elizabeth because she was the
monarch who gave them such a hard time. One machine was taken to France,
put back together and copied, while England was suppressing the industry.
But people have given better references to all that already. But I'm
positive that the Hurt machines were English.

Nancy
Ashford, CT USA

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 4:52 AM Jane Partridge  wrote:

> ... I would be interested to know which country the 1590 machine Nancy
> referred to was in, as England at the time had a Queen, not a King
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Gon Homburg]

In Holland there is a museum, De Kantfabriek, in which the machines are still
running. They do make lace, but not really for sale. The machines are running
during the tours. This is their website: https://www.museumdekantfabriek.nl

I will have a look for photo’s and publish them than on Flickr.

Best regards,

Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands



> Op 12 feb. 2021, om 09:50 heeft Maureen  het
volgende geschreven:
>
> And there is a Facebook page called Descendents of the lacemakers of
Calais.
>
> Regards
> Maureen
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would look at the website of ‘The Australian Lacemakers of Calais’
who have lots of information about the machine lacemakers who left England in
the early 1800s and set up in Calais only to have to leave during the French
Revolution. A book called ‘Well Suited to the Colony’ was written by
Gillian Kelly gives lots of information.  I was asked to review this book by
the Lace Guild about 2007 and as a result found the above website. I also
found the then chairman, I think he is or was based in Sydney, extremely
helpful as well as Gillian Kelly.  Both sent photos and all sorts of
information and even provided a link for a working machine. I gave a few talks
at the time.
>>
>> Hope this is also of some help.
>>
>> Regards
>> Maureen where is is currently -5C UK
>>
>>
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Jane Partridge]

There's a book about the machine lace industry in the Lace Guild's library 
which I'm sure I wrote something about on Arachne some years ago. It is 
something like the "History of the Nottingham Lace Industry" but I'm going on 
memory and may be wrong. There was a company in Long Eaton, GH Hurt & Co (about 
15 years ago) who produced frame knitted items for sale to the various shops 
and museums, whether they are still in business I don't know. Also a Leavers 
machine was displayed at the museum in Rufford Country Park, Nottinghamshire, 
and frame knitting demonstrated at Ruddington Museum. I doubt much will be 
available to visit until after lockdown ends, but most museums have websites. I 
think there may be machines displayed at Wollaton Hall (Nottingham, near to 
Queens Medical Centre) but haven't been there for years. Most of the Nottingham 
industry has gone, the changes in fashion took their toll as much on the 
machine industry as they did the hand made, plus they had competitio!
 n from cheaper sources abroad. It might be worth contacting Nottingham Trent 
University (unless she's already studying there) as they have a large lace 
resource. Most of the lace from the old Nottingham Museum of Costume and Lace 
went to the Nottingham Castle Museum, so will be in their reserve collection. 
There used to be sock/stocking machines in the museum at Snibston near 
Coalville in Leicestershire, Coalville Council might know what happened to them 
after the museum closed.

As Maureen says, there's a lot of information in the Lacemakers of Calais book 
(produced for an exhibition in Loughborough which I went to) based on John 
Heathcoate's (Leavers) machines. I haven't seen much of the history of the 
Barmen and Raschelle machines, other than seeing them in the old Nottingham 
Lace Centre, sadly long closed.

I would be interested to know which country the 1590 machine Nancy referred to 
was in, as England at the time had a Queen, not a King.

Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Brenda Paternoster]

The machines which sought to imitate bobbin lace date back to the early 1800s
and I think the one I saw in Nottingham some years ago was mid-late 1800s.

The frame knitting machines, one of which I saw demonstrated at G H Hurt in
Nottingham, do date back to the 1600s, they were designed to knit stockings
rather than make lace.

For anyone interested in the history of machine lace I thoroughly recommend
the Pat Earnshaw books.

Brenda

>
>
> Yes, a number of Arachne members saw the Nottingham stockinette machines
> from the 17th or 18th C (I'm not sure if the ones we saw went back to the
> 1600's -- I find that hard to believe in hindsight), including ones still
> working. I have a really lovely shawl knit on one of those machines; quite
> a few other Arachnids bought knitted items.

Brenda Paternoster
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Maureen]

And there is a Facebook page called Descendents of the lacemakers of Calais.

Regards 
Maureen


> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I would look at the website of ‘The Australian Lacemakers of Calais’ who have 
> lots of information about the machine lacemakers who left England in the 
> early 1800s and set up in Calais only to have to leave during the French 
> Revolution. A book called ‘Well Suited to the Colony’ was written by Gillian 
> Kelly gives lots of information.  I was asked to review this book by the Lace 
> Guild about 2007 and as a result found the above website. I also found the 
> then chairman, I think he is or was based in Sydney, extremely helpful as 
> well as Gillian Kelly.  Both sent photos and all sorts of information and 
> even provided a link for a working machine. I gave a few talks at the time.
> 
> Hope this is also of some help.
> 
> Regards 
> Maureen where is is currently -5C UK
> 
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Maureen]

Hi

I would look at the website of ‘The Australian Lacemakers of Calais’ who have 
lots of information about the machine lacemakers who left England in the early 
1800s and set up in Calais only to have to leave during the French Revolution. 
A book called ‘Well Suited to the Colony’ was written by Gillian Kelly gives 
lots of information.  I was asked to review this book by the Lace Guild about 
2007 and as a result found the above website. I also found the then chairman, I 
think he is or was based in Sydney, extremely helpful as well as Gillian Kelly. 
 Both sent photos and all sorts of information and even provided a link for a 
working machine. I gave a few talks at the time.

Hope this is also of some help.

Regards 
Maureen where is is currently -5C UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Alice Howell]

 I was one of those people in 1998 at the Arachne 98 Conference who saw the
lacemaking machines.  They had at least one of the original style of
machines, and demonstrated how it was worked by hand and foot.
A few years ago I was a featured artist at fiber show, and had to give a half
hour talk on the history of lace.  Below are two paragraphs related to that
first machine.

Quote:

During the 1700s, the industrial revolution was getting started. Machines were
being invented to do things previously done by hand. A Stockinette machine,
that made knitted stockings with a design up the side of the sock, was
developed about 1590 but it took a lot of hand manipulation to get the design.
The inventor wanted to improve and market his machine but he needed permission
from the king. This king was afraid this machine would take away his sources
of lace income so refused permission. Nothing could be done with the new
machine until this king died and a new king was in charge.

In the early 1700s, the machine was improved so it was more automated. Then
instead of just putting a design in the sock by creating holes, the whole
fabric was holes…a net fabric, like wedding veils are made from. Thus
started the demise of the hand lace industry. By 1800, they had a machine that
could produce large net fabrics. The net background of some laces no longer
had to be made by hand. They could start with the machine net and just
applique the handmade lace flowers or designs on it. This reduced the time
needed to make an item, and the number of people making it.
End quote.
The entire talk is on the webpage of the Portland Lace Society
(portlandlacesociety.com) under the heading Lace History.
Alice in Oregon -- where we are at the start of a 2-day snow and ice storm.
Good time for lacing.





On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:56:58 PM PST, N.A. Neff
 wrote:

 Hi Rochelle,

Yes, a number of Arachne members saw the Nottingham stockinette machines
from the 17th or 18th C (I'm not sure if the ones we saw went back to the
1600's -- I find that hard to believe in hindsight), including ones still
working. I have a really lovely shawl knit on one of those machines; quite
a few other Arachnids bought knitted items.

I also have an article on lacemaking machines in Europe, Germany I think,
but I'm not sure how old the machines were that were being discussed. I
will try to find it.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:28 PM Rochelle Sutherland 
wrote:

> Hi everyone, I have an unusual request. I am helping a higher degree
> student with lacemaking for her textile art degree and she is interested in
> knowing more about the early lacemaking machines. Does anyone know
> anything? Has anyone seen them in action in museums? I have an idea I have
> seen discussions on arachne about it before, so I am hoping someone can
> help her. Thanks,
> ---
> Rochelle SutherlandCottons and Bobbins Lacemaking Supplies by Rochelle
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Rochelle,

Yes, a number of Arachne members saw the Nottingham stockinette machines
from the 17th or 18th C (I'm not sure if the ones we saw went back to the
1600's -- I find that hard to believe in hindsight), including ones still
working. I have a really lovely shawl knit on one of those machines; quite
a few other Arachnids bought knitted items.

I also have an article on lacemaking machines in Europe, Germany I think,
but I'm not sure how old the machines were that were being discussed. I
will try to find it.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:28 PM Rochelle Sutherland 
wrote:

> Hi everyone, I have an unusual request. I am helping a higher degree
> student with lacemaking for her textile art degree and she is interested in
> knowing more about the early lacemaking machines. Does anyone know
> anything? Has anyone seen them in action in museums? I have an idea I have
> seen discussions on arachne about it before, so I am hoping someone can
> help her. Thanks,
> ---
> Rochelle SutherlandCottons and Bobbins Lacemaking Supplies by Rochelle
> SutherlandEmail orders: cottonsandbobb...@lacemakingsupplies.com
> .auWebsite:http://lacemakingsupplies.com.auPhone: 02 6374 2696
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Maria Greil]

Hello Carolina and to all of the rest of the arachneans,

I have read your comments with great interest, but since I am no expert in
the lace made in the Hispanic colonies, I have nothing to say to the
opinion of Carolina de la Guardia: she has been working in that field for a
couple of years and I think she knows a lot. I am supporting her and what
she says 100%.
If you were talking about Spanish Mantillas, then I think I had something
to say, but lace made in the Spanish colonies  Carolina knows much more
than I.

Maria Greil


El dom., 16 feb. 2020 a las 15:23, jo () escribió:

> The two colors might be the color of the pricking and the color of the
> thread.
> Jo
>
> > ... as the pattern seems to take 2 colors ... Kim
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RE: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[jo]

The two colors might be the color of the pricking and the color of the
thread.
Jo

> ... as the pattern seems to take 2 colors ... Kim

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[cadega2]

The artifacts in the hands of the lady in the picture I think that they are 
clearly bobbins. By the way very well represented.
What really surprises me is the lace displayed on the big pillow, as the Codex 
is dated in 18th century. This is older than The picture that Bev has 
contributed with and taken in last century. 
The word “trenzilla” it means a type of ribbon that usually was made with the 
hands as a plait, as a trimming which was used to cover the seams, and also to 
decorate dressings, hats, objects, or any other piece made with thick tissues, 
so the threads were also thick, golded or plated.
It Leads me to think that this word “trenzilla” and the verb “trenzillar”, 
could be used in the next century to describe “a type of lace made with thick 
threads” in the Spanish Colonies.
On another hand, it is known  that in Spain were made narrow laces since 17th 
century worked with few pairs of bobbins, done for the same purpose, that of 
trimming and/or decorate the underskirt and linens but in this case the 
material was white thread.
The picture in this case shows a big pillow, and the piece does not seem a set 
of narrow braids worked at the same time all broad wise, but a wide piece of 
lace. 
Very interesting. I would like to hear the opinion of Maria Greil.
Regards.

Carolina de la Guardia
www.carolgallego.com

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Adele Shaak]

I think she’s making bobbin lace, all right.

If you’re describing something in a manuscript that also contains
information about lots of other things, your space is probably limited. You
get the most bang for your buck, illustration-wise, by depicting several
things at once. So you draw a long view of a woman making bobbin lace, plus
the lace itself is enlarged enough to show the pattern and the method of work.
The picture isn’t intended to be a decorative object, it is intended to
convey information; this composite picture shows the woman, the apparatus, the
pattern being produced, and gives an idea of the method of work.

Seeing the photo of the wide pillows at Arenys de Mar, that Bev sent, I can
easily see that you could use a pillow that wide, possibly making the same
narrower patterns several times at one go. It does look like the woman in
Devon's picture is working on the centre two stalks, and we can see she has
bobbins set aside to work the sets of two stalks on either side.

Fascinating picture.

Adele
Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


> On Feb 15, 2020, at 5:01 PM, DevonThein  wrote:
>
>  It was from the Codex of Martinez
> Companon. The conservator says it is part of a manuscript sent to the king
of
> Spain in the late 18th century. The information about it, in the index,
says
> Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman
weaving
> braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think
about
> this?

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Bev Walker]

Hello Devon, Sue and everyone

It could be a giant pillow!
Check the photo on this page for the lace museum at Arenys de Mar.in Spain,
even though about two centuries later than the codex. The technology was
earlier known?
http://www.arenysdemar.org/museu/index_i.htm

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 5:45 PM Devon Thein  wrote:

> Yes, it is a very large pillow.
>


-- 
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Kim Davis]

Fascinating topic!

The structure she is working on looks much more like a loom than a pillow.
I know  very little about weaving, but there is
at least one type that uses bobbins.  The textile which is coming off of
the back also looks more like a weaving or tapestry
as the pattern seems to take 2 colors to make.   I can't wait to hear what
others have to say.

Kim

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 5:01 PM DevonThein  wrote:

> About 20 years ago I received a question about whether lace was being made
> in
> Colonial Spanish America. I did not know the answer. I asked a curator at
> he
> Hispanic Society. He didn’t know, but he said it was very likely because
> the
> Spanish tended to set up these industries in their colonies. I asked
> another
> scholar at the Met about this and she said it would have to be researched
> in
> the Codexes. She was involved in a show, The Colonial Andes: Tapestries and
> Silverwork, 1530-1830. The show was very striking for the sophistication of
> the craftsmanship in the tapestries, as well as the Silver. Also there were
> many paintings showing people in Spanish America wearing lace.
> Today, on my Instagram stream I was treated to an image from a textile
> conservator that really caught my attention. It was from the Codex of
> Martinez
> Companon. The conservator says it is part of a manuscript sent to the king
> of
> Spain in the late 18th century. The information about it, in the index,
> says
> Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman
> weaving
> braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think
> about
> this?
> Here is the link:
>
>
>
http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/trujillo-del-peru--volumen-ii/html
> /966bf129-a181-4dd1-996b-ac44db7844e2_110.html
>

>
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Devon Thein]

Yes, it is a very large pillow. Many of the other images in the Codex show
examples of industry. I don't know if there are some of these that are out
of scale in an effort to focus on the process, since I don't really know
what the industry is. Also, perhaps someone is trying to draw something
that they haven't seen, but have heard described. (I just saw Durer's
Rhinoceros today at the Met. Apparently he had never seen one, but had
drawn from a description, so there are errors.)
Devon


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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[suebabbs385]

If she is making bobbin lace, it's on a giant pillow!

Sue

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Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman weaving
braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think about
this?
Here is the link:

http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/trujillo-del-peru--volumen-ii/html
/966bf129-a181-4dd1-996b-ac44db7844e2_110.html


Devon




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RE: [lace] Lacemaking in Ripon, Yorkshire, England

[Agnes Boddington]

I do have a copy of the book: the ISBN is 978-0-9547077-2-9.
It was published in 2010 by Ripon Local Studies Research Centre.
It has some historical info (with photos) about people who were either lace
makers or traders.
This part covers the 16th to 19th Century with prominent lace makers and a
lace merchant.
Then follow a number of patterns for lace edgings, very much like Bucks
Point and Beds, complete with prickings.
To be honest I have not done anything with the book, it lives with my other
lace books.
It has 91 pages.
Agnes Boddington
Elloughton UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking - Eye Surgery Seems Successful

[Jeriames]

First, let me thank you all for your concern in connection with my eye  
surgery for a cataract and astigmatism on Thursday.  I did not think  you'd see 
the footnote in a note I sent about young people who make lace.   I take 
medical issues lightly.  Years ago, I had successful Lasik  surgery on both 
eyes - one for reading and one for distance.  Now, my  reading 
(close-distance) eye needed tweeking.  The most painful part was  paying $1,500 
for the 
implant to replace my natural lens!  (Could buy a lot  of lace books.)  
Cataract covered by insurance, but not the  lens.  I stayed in a hotel near the 
eye 
hospital, was checked Friday  morning, and drove home.  No pain.  Today's 
vision is better than  yesterday's.  
 
Being a Girl Scout, I wanted to take care of blurred vision problems in  
preparation for going to the Belgian lace celebration in 2018 - the  100th 
anniversary after the end of World War I.  I expect there will  be an 
acknowledgement of how lacemakers were saved from starvation  during the war by 
the 
Commission for Relief in Belgium, headed by Herbert C.  Hoover, who later was 
elected President of the U.S.
 
The address Devon gave yesterday is most inspiring.  I'll be  giving the 
Brooklyn group an invitation to contact me if they are  having difficulties 
finding lace books and things like that, because I belonged  to their 
predecessor - The Lace Guild of New York.  This became my  lace foundation, and 
you 
have all benefited from my  sharing lecture information from Helene von 
Rosenstiel, who was a  Brooklyn lace conservator with a museum clientele.  She 
would arrive via  subway at meetings dragging a huge plastic bag full of 
distressed  laces.  Then, she would tell us how they came to be that way, and 
what  would be necessary to save - or often be unable to save - them.  
 
One young lacemaker Devon is encouraging mentioned enrolling  in an FIT 
textile conservation program.  I found there were  museum lectures about 
conserving and restoring textiles/embroideries/tapestries,  but not much about 
lace.  Perhaps it will be possible to prop up this  student with some 
experience and a bibliography, since I have collected books  (both good and 
bad) on 
the subject.  It can be very frustrating  to a young person when she is 
trying to learn something obscure about  lace.  It is what we on Arachne have 
been somewhat able to  overcome.  Please share lace knowledge with the young.  
The  address from Devon:
 
http://textileartscenter.com/blog/brooklyn-based-artists-launch-nyc-lace-gui
ld/ 
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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In fact,  there is an uprising in interest among the millennials in 
Brooklyn.
...the  Brooklyn Lace Guild is attracting
young women who are for the most part  graduates of the art and design 
schools
in New York and work in creative  jobs. 

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking

[Lorelei Halley]

This is the part of the article I enjoyed the most --
"  I eventually discovered that there was a lace school and annual festival
in Idrija, Slovenia. I barely knew where that was on a map but I booked a
ticket there in 2012 for the lace festival, and I discovered that there was
an entire universe of lacemakers scattered in little pockets of the world."
And, of course, the reference to Devon.
Lorelei

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking

[devonthein]

Nancy, I love the idea of “off fabric embroidery”, although a different
way to go with this is that needle lace is “looping”, a form of which goes
back to the earliest human ancestors.
The entire word “lace” is becoming confusing in regard to what we do. It
implies something to the public that is white and has holes, regardless of the
substance that is used to make it, like wrought iron lace, for the metal work
on balconies, or ceramic lace for ceramic that is white with holes. Meanwhile,
I see it in terms of a textile structure, and which is frequently not white.
So, I may point to a piece of Lauran Sundin’s work, or Ros Hills work and
call it lace, whereas a normal person will then respond, “where is the
lace?” This is an issue with the contemporary lace exhibit that I am
proposing. I am trying to write a proposal for a show featuring contemporary
art made in bobbin or needle lace techniques. But, for one thing, bobbin and
needle lace techniques have nothing in common, other than being refined
textile techniques, if you do not reference their historical convergence in
luxury white neckwear.
Devon

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking

[devonthein]

In fact, there is an uprising in interest among the millennials in Brooklyn.
Whereas I am used to being the youngest member of many a lace group, I am
undoubtedly the oldest member of the Brooklyn Lace Guild which is attracting
young women who are for the most part graduates of the art and design schools
in New York and work in creative jobs. Check this out
http://textileartscenter.com/blog/brooklyn-based-artists-launch-nyc-lace-guil
d/

Devon

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Karen ZM]

I was only 19 when I started to learn lacemaking. As many of you probably
know, our traditional Maltese pillow is a long, upright, bolster sort of
pillow (perhaps like a roughly rolled cigar). I used to put this into a
long bag and strap it to my back to ride on my little motorcycle to my
lessons. Whenever I met a friend on the way, they would ask what strange
thing I was carrying and whenever I replied that it was a Bobbin lace
pillow, the retort always was, "But you're too young to work lace!!!"

Nobody says that any more since I am now 54 🙂

Karen in Malta

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Jeriames]

Dear Ann,
 
You can always look to see what The Lace Guild in England is offering to  
children - on their website.  And, I am sure they would appreciate  patterns, 
supplies, teachers - for the publications produced for their  use.
 
Sometimes our members do not appreciate how important all forms of public  
relations are.  I loved the story from South Africa about taking  lacemaking 
supplies to India.  You do not have to look very far to  see opportunities 
to "sing" about lace.  We Arachnes are a small group  in relationship to the 
world's population, and all of us need to...paste on  smiles and wear laces 
daily.  I do.  And they  always "break the ice" (which loosely means 
silence is broken and a  positive conversation is begun - for those of you do 
not 
have a Winter  season).  Happened just yesterday in the long line at the 
post  office.  I was wearing a "corsage" of 3 colorful lace flowers on  my coat 
- from Czech Republic, Turkey, and Germany.  (Ilske - please note;  the 
German one was made by you.)
 
It is early morning here, and I'm off to cataract and astigmatism surgeries 
 on one eye 60 miles from home.  Even today, I'll be promoting lace in some 
 way or other by wearing it.  Everyone:  Try it.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

 
In a message dated 3/8/2017 1:35:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ann.humphr...@talktalk.net writes:

I told a  new acquaintance that I made lace. Lace making is for old ladies 
she replied.  If young people feel that way the art of lacemaking will 
disappear.  
Ann
UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Robin Asman]

I belong to a local spinning and weaving group and justify any lace making
I do there as 'weaving with sticks'.  I only do bobbin lace and think this
is a very relevant definition

Robin from Australia

First time I've done a reply so hope I've done it right

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Nancy Neff  wrote:

> Devon -- I think "off-loom weaving" would correctly apply to only bobbin
> lace, since needlelace is a form of "off-fabric embroidery" rather than
> weaving, no?
>
> This could start another round of definition discussions!
>
> Nancy
> Connecticut
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Devon Thein  wrote:
>
> > Next time use the term "off loom weaving".
> > Devon
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Nancy Neff]

Devon -- I think "off-loom weaving" would correctly apply to only bobbin
lace, since needlelace is a form of "off-fabric embroidery" rather than
weaving, no?

This could start another round of definition discussions!

Nancy
Connecticut

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Devon Thein  wrote:

> Next time use the term "off loom weaving".
> Devon
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Devon Thein]

Next time use the term "off loom weaving".
Devon


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Re: [lace] Lacemaking on BBC

[Hazel Smith]

Christine, at this rate you'll be getting really famous. We'll all be asking 
for your autograph (vbg)!  Presumably the BBC now have you on file as their 
go-to expert for lacemaking. Good for you - and good for all of us, really.
Will look out for the programme

Hazel Smith (Cricklade, UK)

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 Subject: [lace] Lacemaking on BBC
 To: lace@arachne.com
 Date: Saturday, 28 June, 2014, 7:48
 
 Yesterday I was filmed by the BBC
 making lace, for an episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip.
 Presenters James Braxton and Lesley Joseph were looking
 around Waddesdon Manor, and they were also shown some
 antique lace. They then watched me working, and Lesley had a
 go! She grasped it very quickly and worked a couple of rows.
 It was great fun and hopefully the BBC will include more
 footage than the few seconds of Lacemaking they showed on
 Country file earlier this month!
 The program is due to be broadcast next spring.
 Christine Lardner (Oxford UK)
 
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking on BBC

[Sue]

Thank you Christine, looking forward to seeing that, will need to keep my 
eyes open for it.  i agree it would be really good to see a little more of 
the lace making than in some programs.

Sue T
Dorset UK


Yesterday I was filmed by the BBC making lace, for an episode of Celebrity 
Antiques Road Trip. Presenters James Braxton and Lesley Joseph were looking 
around Waddesdon Manor, and they were also shown some antique lace. They 
then watched me working, and Lesley had a go! She grasped it very quickly 
and worked a couple of rows. It was great fun and hopefully the BBC will 
include more footage than the few seconds of Lacemaking they showed on 
Country file earlier this month!

The program is due to be broadcast next spring.
Christine Lardner (Oxford UK)

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking on BBC

[The Lace Bee]

Oohs, I can say that I knew you when you were merely chief bobbin of the ISIS 
lace group.  Oh the prestige to hang out with a celebrity.

L

PS anything which gets lacemaking and hand made crafts on TV wins my vote.  So 
pleased that which ever production company made this had the foresight to 
include someone who is not only talented in lacemaking, has a fantastic way 
about them in their teaching and who comes over so well when talking to people. 
 Really positive

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 Yesterday I was filmed by the BBC making lace, for an episode of Celebrity 
 Antiques Road Trip. 
 The program is due to be broadcast next spring.
 Christine Lardner (Oxford 

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking on Countryfile (hopefully)

[Sue Harvey]

Put that in my diary to watch, thanks for the information.
Sue M  Harvey
Norfolk
U.K.

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking on Countryfile (hopefully)

[Sue]

Looking forward to seeing that Christine.
Sue T
Dorset UK

Yesterday, I spent a very exciting day with 2 friends, Eileen and Jan, being
filmed making lace for Countryfile. We are members of Isis lacemakers, and
were asked at very short notice by The Lace Society if we could attend. Of
course, any other plans (such as work) for that day were cancelled! It was a
lovely sunny day and we were given just a few minutes to set up a display on 
a

picnic table! We were then filmed making lace. We were not interviewed on
camera, but got to meet the lovely John Craven, and also spotted Ellie
Harrison, who I've always thought a pretty girl; believe me, in the flesh 
she

is quite a beauty.
We were part of a feature on boxwood and its uses, and had been asked to 
bring
along boxwood bobbins. Also featured were a wood turner using a bow lathe, 
and

musicians playing boxwood wind instruments.
The BBC crew were so nice, everything was so calm and laid back.
So, look out for Countryfile on 1st June BBC1. As it usually pulls in an
audience of around 6 million, we could be seen by a lot of people (potential
lacemakers??). Hopefully there will be more than a fleeting glance, but even
if we end up on the cutting room floor we had a great time!
Christine Lardner (Oxford UK)

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Croatia

[Barbara Engle.]

Oh David...this is wonderful. Thank you so much.
Smiles. 
BarbE 
Texas, USA.

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On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:52 AM, David C COLLYER dccoll...@ncable.net.au wrote:

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 this youtube video is really worth a look
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMHTNeUDrI
 
 Enjoy
 David in Ballarat, AUS
 
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Croatia

[Lesley Blackshaw]

Thank you for sharing that, David.  When I was in Korcula in Croatia 
recently I saw quite a lot of lace on display in the Barilo Folk Museum 
in Blato.  I took quite a few photos but as the displays were behind 
glass not many of the photos came out very well.  There are a few in my 
flikr pages 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28840295@N08/8112999343/in/photostream/ but 
I must apologise for the awful quality of the photos.


Lesley
Marple, Cheshire, UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Croatia

[Vicki Bradford]

Thanks, David!  That was very interesting.  Has anyone ever heard of 
Aloe fiber use before?  That is what they were using for the 
tenerife-like lace from Hvar. It looked like they pulled it from the 
stalk, rather like when stringing celery...(??)  I wonder what, if any, 
processing takes place before it is used as thread?  Does anyone know?


Vicki in unseasonably balmy Maryland

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Subject: [lace] Lacemaking in Croatia

Dear Friends,]
this youtube video is really worth a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMHTNeUDrI

Enjoy
David in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] lacemaking blindness

[Ilske Thomsen]

Dear Devon and All,
all I read in German and partly English written books and articles the question 
of becoming blind by doing bobbin lace wasn't there so important as it is now 
on our list. There are meanings that it happened but there are other who deny 
this.
Here in Germany a lot of people have the meaning that most lacemakers from 
former time had become blind but I remember a few persons who said this isn't 
true.
I knew some people who used such a lacemaker lamp and told me that this lamp 
give a lot of light.
This is again a question we will not get a 100% sure answer. A few of us 
mentioned that from doing bobbin lace eyes didn't become blind which my 
ophthalmologist confirm but if we don't sit in a correct position and if we 
stare during working our eyes and muscles suffer. And when this situation 
happens day for day we will damage our body partly.
Hoping all arachneans living in the part of the world where this storm is doing 
its damages are sure.
I must switch off my radio set because I see New York before my eyes and 
knowing Devon lives nearby makes me worried.
I wish all of you all the best.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Spain

[Carolina de la Guardia]

Hi Laurie and all,

I fondly remember your trip to Barcelona and our visit to the Mares 
Museum in Arenys. Glad that you enjoyed it.


You have described very well our encuentros  -lace events- in Spain,
and not only take place in March and April, but from March to November 
all week ends, Saturday or Sunday. All over the country. usually from 
10.00h to 13.00 or sometimes up to 16.00h.


In Argentina there are several lace guilds all over the country and we 
have an special relationship with the Catalonian House in Rosario, which 
develops a great lace activity, organizing a demonstration every year.


The Catalonian lace Guild -ACP-, was the organizer of the XXV Diada in 
Arenys this year. If you like to take a look to the page hung by the 
ACP, there are some pictures and videos of the event.


http://www.puntaires.com/en/diada.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=9GwpB8MUQN4vq=mediumt=219

And...I can confirm that next year the Diada will take place in 
Barcelona, perhaps you would like to come and see us. if so, note in 
your calendar the date: the 26nth May 2013.


Kind regards.

Carolina. Barcelona. Spain.

--
Carolina de la Guardia
http://www.carolgallego.com


Witch Stitch Lace

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Spain

[Malvary Cole]

Jacquie and I were at the Lace Event in Camariñas again this year - this 
time as exhibitors.  Last year we were visitors but had nowhere to 'call our 
own' space and had to find little corners to sit and make lace.  We were 
surprised at how many people told us that they didn't know that there was 
lace made in England.  We made enquiries as to if and how we could be there 
with a booth for this year.


We had an exhibit of most, if not all, of the different types of lace made 
in England.  We had photos of one or two types where we didn't actually have 
a sample.


We had our English lace pillows and I made a Malmesbury bookmark (for my 
bookmark exchange) and Jacquie worked on a piece of Bedfordshire.  It is 
interesting how similar the Bedfordshire and the local Galician lace are. 
The main difference is the weight of the thread.  People are very interested 
to see our English bobbins with all the spangles.


I will go back in a heart-beat if I get the chance.

Malvary in Ottawa where spring has sprung, the grass is riz.

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Tignes

[Clay Blackwell]

Thanks Lynne, for sharing the photos!  What a nice thing to see on your 
holiday.  I love those bobbins!  I have a few of them - old ones found 
on eBay - and I think it would be fun to work with them in the way they 
were designed to be used.


Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA  USA

On 8/11/2011 10:00 AM, Lynne Cumming wrote:

I've just spent a week high in the French Alps /snip/

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/slideshow/580711262bzJKdr

Lynne

Lynne Cumming, back in cold, wet Baldock, North Herts UK



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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Tignes

[sof]

Hello Lynne,

Thank you for the photos. Yes, bobins, pillow and pricking on your 
photos are specific of Tignes.

Have a look : http://lace.lacefairy.com/Lace/International/TIGNESFr.html


There is a lacemaker group near Tignes. Sometimes they come on 
lacemeeting : Have a look to pictures 1 and 2 : 
http://www.lesdiversespassionsdejosi.com/article-les-clubs-exposants-au-couvige-de-crolles-69928802.html
and here :
http://www.dentellieres.com/Reportage/R2008/Saint-etienne-du-bois/StEtienneduBois2.htm

Dentelez bien

Sof in France


Le 11/08/2011 16:00, Lynne Cumming a écrit :
 I've just spent a week high in the French Alps and was lucky enough to come
 across a French lacemaker demonstrating at a Mountain Festival in Tignes.
 Unfortunately my French has been hard hit by spending time in Austria
 attempting to use German and the lady had little English but I hope she
 understood that I was a fellow lacemaker. She assured me that the gorgeous
 chunky bobbins she was working with were specific to Tignes as well as the
 hooped pillows she was working on. There was also an exhibition on the
 development of Tignes as a ski resort due to the downturns of the late C19th
 and early C20th when the population headed away from the high valleys and
 farming and other industries such as lacemaking. I was delighted to see a
 picture of the 'dentellieres' and have included it in my slideshow of the
 lacemaker and her pillows and bobbins on webshots. Please see the link to
 have a little look.

 I won't bore you with the alpine flowers, the wonderful views, the videos of
 the cows parading up the street and the folkdancers - let alone the high
 divers jumping from a helicopter into an icy lake! However, in due course
 those may well make it to another album.

 Enjoy!

 http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/slideshow/580711262bzJKdr

 Lynne

 Lynne Cumming, back in cold, wet Baldock, North Herts UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking Day

[lynrbailey]

   I like to take my lace with me on vacation.  I have a project for travel, on 
an ethafoam pillow, one that preferably fits in a backpack, certainly in a 
suitcase.  I find that whilst on vacation, I have the chunk of time I prefer to 
actually sit down and make lace.  I have done lace by the pool on a cruise 
ship, especially nice, but don't get a tall gin and tonic, as you'll make 
mistakes.
 I also took my lace whilst camping at Acadia National Park in Maine, US, 
where I took pictures of all the places I made lace, and breathtakingly 
beautiful they are, too.  Also one on the Common in Bar Harbor, where I have a 
picture of a man taking a picture of me making lace.  If you want to raise 
consciousness about making lace, a very important concept in the US, where you 
also need a small sign saying, This is NOT tatting, doing it on vacation, in 
leisure places where people have the time to stop and ask questions is very 
efficient.  One man thought I was tying flies for fishing.  I find there is 
something special about making lace in special places.  The only drawback is 
that you don't get much lacemaking done, unless you're in a secluded spot, like 
the bottom of Long Pond in Acadia National Park, where there are few people.  I 
will never forget that beautiful afternoon.  lrb


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To: 
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Subject: [lace] Re: (Inter) National Lacemaking Day

 National Lacemaking Day sounds neathowever, my inquiries show the
National referred to is UK.

Isn't it about time that it's changed to International Lacemaking Day? 
Anyone know how that can be done?

By the way, after doing your lacemaking in public to celebrate National
Lacemaking Day on Sept 11, wait a couple days and celebrate on Sept 13
with International Chocolate Day.

Alice in Oregon

Jul 26, 2010 09:49:19 AM, jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk wrote:

 A while back we were talking about making lace at railway stations,
  and I mentioned the idea of Making Lace on the Train (or in the
  museum)for National Lacemaking Day

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking at the train station

[Lesley Blackshaw]

Jane Partridge wrote:
I'm now wondering whether there would be sufficient interest amongst the 
North Wales lacemakers to join me in a make lace on the train day at 
the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway, Porthmadog on National Lacemaking 
Day (September 11th) - are any there Arachnes living in that area?


I'mnot in the immediate area - about 2 hours away, but it does sound like a 
fun day, and if I can persuade DH to make a day of it, it might be possible.


Lesley

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind

[Elizabeth Pass]

This is no lacemaking object.  It's a child's puzzle.  I bought one for my
children many years ago but it was made of wood.  The idea is that you have
to get both beads together on the same part of the string.  Oh yes, it can
be done ( if you have an hour or two to spare.)  I can't find it at the
moment or I would scan it.  However there is a similar one (not exactly the
same)  on this website - right at the bottom of the page.

Liz Pass
In Poole, UK where it's raining gently so I won't need to water the pots in
the garden.

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Jean Nathan
Sent: 01 June 2010 09:19
To: Lace
Subject: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind


Maxine - you forgot to put a subject in, but wrote:

Here is another lace making tool that boggles the mind.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=293891288

I notice that the seller says:

SOME OF THE ITEMS IN THIS AND THE OTHER ADVERTISED LOTS ARE DETAILED IN THE

REFERENCE BOOK ANTIQUE NEEDLEWORK TOOLS BY NERYLLA TAUNTON

He/she says Some of the items in THIS, so presumably the item is described

in the book mentioned. Has anyone got this book, and can tell us what 
Nerylla Taunton says this item is used for?

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind

[Eve Morton]

I have the book and there is nothing like it in there that I noticed on 
a quick flick through the pages. Some of this person's other listings, 
lace bobbins and netting tools, are referenced to Nerylla Tauton's book 
 and the sewing box has the same phrase, see


http://tinyurl.com/34b84z8

I think that it might refer to the bobble makers mentioned in the 
listing, did they mean the two rings hanging on the string/thread? No 
reference to bobble makers in the index of the book though.


Eve
Poole, Dorset, UK

Jean Nathan wrote:


I notice that the seller says:

SOME OF THE ITEMS IN THIS AND THE OTHER ADVERTISED LOTS ARE DETAILED IN 
THE REFERENCE BOOK ANTIQUE NEEDLEWORK TOOLS BY NERYLLA TAUNTON


He/she says Some of the items in THIS, so presumably the item is 
described in the book mentioned.


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RE: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind

[Elizabeth Pass]

I sent this yesterday but for some reason it didn't arrive.



This is no lacemaking object.  It's a child's puzzle.  I bought one for my
children many years ago but it was made of wood.  The idea is that you have
to get both beads together on the same part of the string.  Oh yes, it can
be done ( if you have an hour or two to spare.)  I can't find it at the
moment or I would scan it.  However there is a similar one (not exactly the
same).  

http://tinyurl.com/39grozn

Liz Pass

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind

[Sue Babbs]

I didn't see the original message arrive in my mailbox either. The first I 
knew of it was when I saw a response.


I noticed that the original was sent to lace-digest (which I'm not signed up 
for). Is that what you replied to, Liz?


Avital, is there some strange arrangement where messages sent to digest 
don't reach the rest of us?

Sue
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To: 'Eve Morton' e...@chez-morton.com; 'Lace' lace@arachne.com; 
'Jean Nathan' j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:21 AM
Subject: RE: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind



I sent this yesterday but for some reason it didn't arrive.



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RE: [lace] Lacemaking group wanted

[Jo]

http://lace.lacefairy.com/Lace/Map/
lists a honiton tutor in Wellington, she might know more

Jo

 Does anyone know of a lacemaking group in the Tiverton UK 
 area that I might be able to join?

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Norway? Comprehensive reply.

[Jeriames]

Dear Mark,
 
There IS information available.  I recommend the same research  techniques 
you used when in school/university.
 
1.  I took the lead from Sally's replies and searched Ernst  Ziesler.  
Google does the language translation for you.  The second  entry is a lace 
article from Bunad that prints out to 9 pages - in  color!  You will want to 
print and keep this one!  Bunad is the  Norwegian magazine from which the 
article comes.
 
2.  Have you ever investigated the American needlework supplier,  Nordic 
Needle?  You'll find many products related to Norway.   _www.nordicneedle.com_ 
(http://www.nordicneedle.com) 
 
3.  There is a museum exhibition right now at Vesterheim  
Norwegian-American Museum Sacred Symbols, Ceremonial Cloth for your  wife, 
the embroiderer 
in your family.  _www.vesterheim.org_ (http://www.vesterheim.org)   
 
4.  Taking the lead from #3, I have 2 recent embroidery/history books  
featuring embroidery, by the American author Mary B. Kelly:  Goddess  
Embroideries of the Northlands which is a paperback 8 1/2 x 11 and 346  
pages.  
Only 8 pages in color, the rest illustrated with drawings and  photos.  This 
took a great amount of research, and there are 8(!) pages of  bibliography.  
This was $40. Published in 2009 by Studiobooks, P.O.Box  5623,  Hilton Head 
Island, South Carolina 29938.  To go with this  there is a 31-page book 
Embroidering the Goddesses of Old Norway, paperback 8  1/2 x 11 and 31 
pages, one page bibliography.  Embroidery charts and  text about what the old 
symbols mean, plus abbreviated history.  This was  $15.  Published in 2008.  
Same publisher.
 
Mary Kelly has been researching the ancient tradition of goddess worship  
and symbolism for many years.  She has previously  published goddess books on 
Russia, Slovakia, Ukraine, and the Greek  Isles.  When you read her works, 
you'll find representations of goddesses  in many textiles, carpets, etc.  
If you have enjoyed the historic  novels by Jean M. Auel, you may want to 
look into Kelly's textile  research.
 
5.  A book in my library that you can order from Interlibrary  loan:  A 
sampler of Norway's Folk Costumes by Thorbjorg Hjelmen  Ugland.  Publisher is 
Boksenteret, 1996, ISBN 82-7683-088-9.  Costumes  of 38 regions in Norway - 
how they are made and worn today, history, how to care  for them.  In 
English.  Wonderful!
 
6.  Another book:  The Folk Arts of Norway by Janice S.  Stewart.  
Several editions have been published since 1963.  This is a  Dover paperback 
book 
of 246 pages, ISBN 0-486-22811-8.  Among the  chapters are:  Weaving, 
Embroidery, Costumes.
 
7.  Scandinavian Cross Stitch Designs by Jana Hauschild Lindberg,  
published by Cassell, distributed in the U.S. by Sterling, has 30 pages of  
modern 
designs/charts from Norway, including one of a girl, in traditional  
costume.  Other sections cover Viking era, Sweden and Denmark,  Christmas.  The 
addition of lace to many of the items would be nice.   1998, ISBN 
0-304-34951-8.  
 
8.  Mark:  Do you have the small embroidery book Navneduker by  Anne 
Kjellberg?  It was published in Oslo in 1985 by C. Huitfeldt  Forlag.  It would 
be of limited use if you do not read Norwegian  language.
 
My library contains books about costumes, needlework history, related  
crafts etc. because they directly relate to the use of lace and  embroidery.  
So 
far as I have seen, usually personal lace/embroidery  libraries do not 
extend to the related subjects, but they can be very  useful.  
 
Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center  

 
In a message dated 11/12/2009 2:49:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tat...@tat-man.net writes:

Is there  a lacemaking tradition in Norway, if any?  I know about
Hardanger and  other embroideries existed.  But wondered what type, if
any, of lace  was made.  The reason I am asking is because my wife's
roots came from  North East of Oslo, Norway and we were having fun doing a
bit of research.  My wife embroiders and I make lace.   I just
wondered if there is such  a lace.  If not a tradition, then what type
of lace are modern day  Norwegians making?  It would be fun to make
her a heritage outfit(for  our heritage demonstrations) that features
Norwegian embroidery and lace,  being that is her heritage.  Mine is
easier to figure out(English,  German, Irish.quite the melting  pot!)

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking in Norway and Thank you LACE!

[Sally Schoenberg]

 Hi everyone,



I've emailed the scans of the LACE Jan '98 article to the three Arachneans who
are interested.  I would also be happy to make copies on paper and mail them
off to anyone who's interested.  Just drop me a line.  Now, if any of you come
across information about lace in Norway that I don't know about, please share
it with all of us.  I would love to know more.



The rest of this message is for LACE magazine and The Lace Guild:  Thank you
very, very much for publishing this article!  And for all the articles you've
published throughout the years.



Sally Schoenberg

Four Corners, New Mexico

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making as per Oxford Dictionary

[Elizabeth Pass]

Whenever I'm not sure if a word exists, I check the Oxford Dictionary of
Spelling.  There it is - quite clearly - lacemaker, lacemaking.  

Other 'lace' entries are;

Lace, laces, laced, lacing, lace-glass, lace-glasses, lace-pillow, lace-up,
lacewing, lacewood, lacework, lacey (use lacy)   

There's no sign of lacer, although American spellings are included if
different to English spelling.


Now, what are lace-glasses?

Liz Pass
In Poole,Dorset
with another fine day in view.

PS The spell checker queried some of the 'lace' words!

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making

[Agnes Boddington]

For our website, I put both lace making and lacemaking as search terms.
On ebay I use both too, as for us it widens the web.
As a linguist, I think it should be lace making, just like cake baking 
or basket weaving.


Agnes Boddington - chilly Elloughton UK

Elizabeth Ligeti wrote:

I always use the one word - Lacemaking.


  


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RE: [lace] Lacemaking

[Karen Zammit Manduca]

Interesting thread...but I would like to make one comment - I usually say
that I 'work' lace not 'make' lace.
Karen in Malta

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Christine Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:13 PM
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] Lacemaking

Dear Spiders,
I'm a lacemaker (one word) and although I make lace, I also play lace.
This is an activity that involves 2 people (possibly 3) who spend an
afternoon or evening talking about lace, possibly working on a pattern
draft or altering a pattern, looking at books (either browsing new ones
or checking a few specific references), making additions to the gunna
(do someday)list, gossiping about other people's lace or the people
themselves, possibly looking at lace pillow and even working through a
tricky bit BUT no serious lacemaking. 
(And my spell check has just objected to lacemaker, lacemaking gunna
and spellcheck - I yielded only to the last). 
Christine Johnson
(Sydney, Australia)

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed

[Dmt11home]

Thank you Robin. It does make sense. I first encountered this problem when  I 
read the Antique Laces of the American Collectors. Then I devised my slide  
show which I called The Laces of the Robber Barons. But the more I said the  
title, the worse it sounded. Now I refer to it as The Lace of the Robber 
Barons, 
 on the theory that E.B.White, author of the classic American style book, 
said,  that if it doesn't sound right, don't say it. What would you say the 
correct  title of my slide show should be?
Devon
 
 
In a message dated 3/19/2009 1:43:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
robinl...@socal.rr.com writes:

  dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: 
Another  English language style issue which  needs resolution in an official 
lace style manual is whether the plural of  lace is lace or laces. 

Lace can be like fish (the words, not  the objects!).  Several of the 
same species are fish.  Several  different species are fishes.  When 
talking 
about the laces of several  regions, it's pluralized.  When talking about the 
category of textiles,  we say lace is made in many lands.  Note that the 
verb is singlular  (is, not are), so lace is singlular.  I would say I 
have five  pieces of lace, but again this is using lace as a category, not a 
bunch of  objects.  

It's late, I'm tired, and I suspect this doesn't make  much sense, but I've 
tried

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California,  USA
robinl...@socal.rr.com

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking

[Clive Betty Rice]

Adding my $2 (I don't come cheap) to this thread, I do lace with
tongue-in-cheek.  Many years ago, a couple of lacemakers would comment,
Shall we do lace on Monday?  Then Virginia deemed that we can have
personal license plates for our cars if we're willing to pay the annual
fee.  Making a hasty trip to the local motor vehicle department, I found
that Lace and other lace related titles were already taken.  Thus, was
born do lace for my license plate.  Then a computer was born in my
house.  What other e-mail addy would I have but
dol...@whatever-server-i'm using?  So...I'm a lacemaker who loves
lacemaking and will often invite friends to come over and do lace. 
Happy Lacemaking,Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed

[Lorri Ferguson]

I have no problem with The Laces of the Robber Barons, as you are speaking
of many pieces  types of lace and several collectors/people who collected
them.  To me the singular 'Lace of the Robber Barons' doesn't sound 'quite'
correct.
  Just my 2 cents worth.  But seeing the program was worth much more than
that!!!

Lorri



  Thank you Robin. It does make sense. I first encountered this problem when
I
  read the Antique Laces of the American Collectors. Then I devised my slide
  show which I called The Laces of the Robber Barons. But the more I said the
  title, the worse it sounded. Now I refer to it as The Lace of the Robber
Barons,
   on the theory that E.B.White, author of the classic American style book,
  said,  that if it doesn't sound right, don't say it. What would you say the
  correct  title of my slide show should be?
  Devon




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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed

[Ilske Thomsen]

Devon,
in my opinion this title


 The Laces of the Robber Barons.


sounds ok. I am sure you speak from more then one piece so it is  
clearer to say laces.

Only my idea

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making

[Alice Howell]

I prefer one word - lacemaking.  That's how I usually write it.  No one 
questions 'shoemaker' and it's usually written as one word, why not 
lacemaker

Go with whatever you like.  We all know what you mean and we're the ones 
who will be using your book.

Alice in Oregon -- where I'll be giving a talk on my OIDFA trip today to a 
group of ladies



On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Brenda Paternoster 
paternos...@appleshack.com wrote:

 I have just received the proofs for Edition 5, and the graphics people have
 queried Lacemaking in the title and suggest Lace making.

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making

[Angel Skubic]

Ditto for me. Lacemaker...not lace maker.

Cearbhael


I prefer one word - lacemaking.  That's how I usually write it.  No one
questions 'shoemaker' and it's usually written as one word, why not
lacemaker

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed

[Margery Allcock]

This may be the UK/US divide, or it may just be my personal opinion G:  I
think the plural of fish is fish, however many different species you may
have.  And similarly with sheep: lots of them are still sheep.  And
lace too: however many pieces of however many styles you have, the word is
still just lace.

The word laces makes me think of shoes; and Laces of the Robber Barons,
to me, implies the strings which hold the fronts of their jackets together
G.  Very Errol Flynn!

Also I'm a lacemaker, and what I do is lacemaking.

As I say, this may not be correct, but it's how my mind works here in the
UK, with a Scottish upbringing ...
Margery.

margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Hertfordshire, UK



 

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 From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] 
 On Behalf Of dmt11h...@aol.com
 Sent: Thursday 19 March 2009 14:03
 To: robinl...@socal.rr.com; lace@arachne.com
 Subject: Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed
 
 Thank you Robin. It does make sense. I first encountered this 
 problem when  I 
 read the Antique Laces of the American Collectors. Then I 
 devised my slide  
 show which I called The Laces of the Robber Barons. But the 
 more I said the  
 title, the worse it sounded. Now I refer to it as The Lace of 
 the Robber Barons, 
  on the theory that E.B.White, author of the classic American 
 style book, 
 said,  that if it doesn't sound right, don't say it. What 
 would you say the 
 correct  title of my slide show should be?
 Devon
  
  
 In a message dated 3/19/2009 1:43:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 robinl...@socal.rr.com writes:
 
   dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: 
 Another  English language style issue which  needs resolution 
 in an official 
 lace style manual is whether the plural of  lace is lace or 
 laces. 
 
 Lace can be like fish (the words, not  the objects!).  
 Several of the 
 same species are fish.  Several  different species are 
 fishes.  When talking 
 about the laces of several  regions, it's pluralized.  When 
 talking about the 
 category of textiles,  we say lace is made in many lands.  
 Note that the 
 verb is singlular  (is, not are), so lace is singlular. 
  I would say I 
 have five  pieces of lace, but again this is using lace as 
 a category, not a 
 bunch of  objects.  
 
 It's late, I'm tired, and I suspect this doesn't make  much 
 sense, but I've 
 tried
 
 Robin P.
 Los Angeles, California,  USA
 robinl...@socal.rr.com
 
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking - Dolace

[Jeriames]

Dear Betty Ann,  
 
This is a great story.  It reminded me of the day Lacefairy (Lori)  arrived 
at my house with a newly-purchased automobile with a vanity license  plate 
Lacefry.  I was quite confused.  Lacefry?  Something  about cooking lace?  
Small lace creatures?  A group or class  of unique lace people?  Lori replied 
that there was a limit of 8  letters or numbers, so she left out the last two 
vowels.  Imagine what  people who do not know her interpret this to mean!!!  :) 
 
 
Jeri Ames in  Maine
Lace and  Embroidery Resource Center
 
 
In a message dated 3/19/2009 10:23:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dol...@verizon.net writes:

Virginia  deemed that we can have
personal license plates for our cars if we're  willing to pay the annual
fee.  Making a hasty trip to the local motor  vehicle department, I found
that Lace and other lace related titles were  already taken.  Thus, was
born do lace for my license plate.   Then a computer was born in my
house.  What other e-mail addy would I  have but
dol...@whatever-server-i'm using?  So...I'm a lacemaker who  loves
lacemaking and will often invite friends to come over and do  lace. 
Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia  USA



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Re: [lace] Lacemaking - Dolace

[Sue Babbs]

And I'm very pleased with my number plate - LTL GREY

If you look carefully to see what make my silver car is, the symbol tells 
you it's a Volkswagen Rabbit*!


(I carry a copy of Little Grey Rabbit makes Lace in the boot / trunk to 
explain to non-lacemakers)


Sue

* This waht the USA calls VW Golfs. 


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RE: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making

[Daphne Martin]

I prefer Lacemaking as one word.

When ever you are asked what you are doing, the reply is usually lacemaking
is`nt it???

 Daphne Norfolk England



 From: j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk
 To: lace@arachne.com
 Subject: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making
 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:41:58 +

 I prefer lacemaker rather than two separate words.

 I googled both lacemaker and lace maker. Lacemaker - no problem. Lace maker
 I got Did you mean to search for: lacemaker 

 Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed

[Dmt11home]

The IOLI has encountered this style question as well and has gone with  
lacemaker and lacemaking. Another  English language style issue which needs  
resolution in an official lace style manual is whether the plural of lace is  
lace 
or laces. Also, at issue, is the word reticello or reticella. I could go on  
and on. I figure that since we write about it all the time, we are the ones to  
set the style, not other entities.
Devon
 
 
In a message dated 3/18/2009 4:45:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk writes:

I prefer  lacemaker rather than two separate words.

I googled both lacemaker and  lace maker. Lacemaker - no problem. Lace maker 
I got Did you mean to  search for: lacemaker 

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making

[Dmt11home]

You know, I have yet to encounter the computer program or internet provider  
which recognizes the word internet as a word. I don't think we can take 
their  opinion on lace related material too seriously until they repair this  
flaw.
Devon
 
 
In a message dated 3/18/2009 5:01:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
thelacema...@optusnet.com.au writes:

I always  type it as one word, Brenda - and always become irritated when
spellcheck  objects!  The same with lacemaker!   I wonder if this  is
another of those English/American differences?   I note that  our American
friends often refer to I've been lacing today, whereas I say  I've been
lacemaking

Ruth (Sydney,  Australia)

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Brenda Paternoster
Sent:  Thursday, 19 March 2009 7:17 AM
To: Arachne Arachne
Subject: [lace]  Lacemaking or Lace making

I have just received the proofs for Edition  5, and the graphics people 
have queried Lacemaking in the title and  suggest Lace making.  I 
know this is one of those personal  preference situations, but what does 
anyone else prefer?  My own  choice is one word - and that is Lace Guild 
choice too.

'Mail' and  'Pages' (both Mac software) underline lacemaking as a 
spelling error, also  lacemaker.
'Word', on the other hand accepts lacemaking but queries  lacemaker!

Brenda in Allhallows,  Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making

[bev walker]

It is more than personal preference, it is the trade name vbg

I have set my dictionary of spellcheck to recognize 'lacemaker' and
'lacemaking' as correct.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Brenda Paternoster 
paternos...@appleshack.com wrote:

 I have just received the proofs for Edition 5, and the graphics people have
 queried Lacemaking in the title and suggest Lace making.


Our resident lace bard (note, two words g) wrote:

Brenda, thank you for your effort
 In compiling this great book
 I'd be a wealthy woman
 At a penny every look!


Totally!
-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed

[robinlace]

 dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: 
Another  English language style issue which needs resolution in an official 
lace style manual is whether the plural of lace is lace or laces. 

Lace can be like fish (the words, not the objects!).  Several of the same 
species are fish.  Several different species are fishes.  When talking 
about the laces of several regions, it's pluralized.  When talking about the 
category of textiles, we say lace is made in many lands.  Note that the verb 
is singlular (is, not are), so lace is singlular.  I would say I have 
five pieces of lace, but again this is using lace as a category, not a bunch 
of objects.  

It's late, I'm tired, and I suspect this doesn't make much sense, but I've 
tried

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?

[Sister Claire]

Zelie Martin was the mother of nine children, four of whom died in infancy.
In addition to dealing with the death of her children, she had to cope with
a great deal of financial stress, family illness, and so on.

She entered a lacemaking school in Alencon as a young adult and in 1851 went
into business for herself. She ran that business for seven years before she
married and continued to help support her family with her lacemaking income
until her death. By the end of her life she had a shop and several
lacemakers working for her. She died in 1877 of breast cancer.

I'm looking around to see if examples of her own lace are extant and on
display somewhere.

That is a very capsulized version of her life. Several of her daughters
became Carmelite nuns, including Therese, who later was canonized and is a
much-loved saint in many parts of the world.

I don't know what else to add, really.
Sr Claire

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Janis Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all,
 In our yesterday's newspaper, was an article as follows.
 Lisieux - The parents of a Catholic Saint were beatified in France
 yesterday at a ceremoney attended by more than 10,000 believers. Louis and
 Zelie Martin, parents of St. Therese of Lisieux, are said to have miraculous
 powers to heal children. They are held up as true models for modern-day
 families. Louis died in 1894 and Zelie, a lacemaker, died in 1877.
 Does anyone know more about this lacemaking saint?

 Lace greetings from Janis Savage in Honeydew, Johannesburg,
 where we are appreciating the first rains of summer when the dust settles
 and all the countryside suddenly turns green.
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[Linda Walton]

Try this link:
http://www.sttherese.com/Parents.html

Here's a quote from the piece about Selie Martin:-
she had a tremendous enthusiasm for life and was a highly skilled lace 
maker and an astute business woman; yet her sights were firmly set on 
Heaven. She was a great letter writer, and her many letters give insight 
into her character. She comes across as a vivacious and witty woman who 
is not only deeply perceptive, but also critical of the society in which 
she lived and, by her own admission, impatient.


Sounds like whe would have been an Arachne member, had she been around now!

Linda Walton,
in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.,
where it's a beautifully clear, calm Autumn morning, with the leaves 
just beginning to turn, and yesterday's storm is all forgotten.


Janis Savage wrote:

Hello all,
In our yesterday's newspaper, was an article as follows.
Lisieux - The parents of a Catholic Saint were beatified in France 
yesterday at a ceremoney attended by more than 10,000 believers. Louis 
and Zelie Martin, parents of St. Therese of Lisieux, are said to have 
miraculous powers to heal children. They are held up as true models 
for modern-day families. Louis died in 1894 and Zelie, a lacemaker, died 
in 1877.

Does anyone know more about this lacemaking saint?

Lace greetings from Janis Savage in Honeydew, Johannesburg,
where we are appreciating the first rains of summer when the dust 
settles and all the countryside suddenly turns green.

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?

[Sister Claire]

I haven't yet found out if any of Zelie's lace is still to be seen, but I
was flabbergasted by this site about point d'alencon 
http://www.honfleur-magazine.fr/info-villes/actualite-regionale/30-06-2008/orne-la-dentelle-du-grand-art-et-toute-une-maitrise.html,
which says, among other things, that a square centimeter of lace represented
eight hours of work!

Sr. Claire

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[Sue]

I have always thought that St Catherine was the patron saint of
lacemakers?

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?

[Sister Claire]

Andrew is a patron of lacemaking, too.

The thing about patron saints is that it is not doctrine and anyone can make
any saint patron of anything.

I chose Zélie Martin as the patron for my lacemaking because we have a
couple of things in common besides lacemaking.

sr. Claire

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Shere'e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The list that I have from the Saint's index is :

 laceworkers, lacemakers:

 Anne
 Crispian
 Crispin
 Elizabeth of Hungary
 Francis of Assisi
 John Regis
 Luke the Apostle
 Sebastian
 Teresa of Avila

 I am currently doing an project in Opus Anglicanum of all of these saints
 in
 a wall hanging for my workroom.

 Shere'e
 Seattle, WA USA

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 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:31 AM
 To: 'Sister Claire'; 'Shere'e'
 Cc: 'Janis Savage'; 'arachne.com'
 Subject: RE: [lace] Lacemaking saint?


 I have always thought that St Catherine was the patron saint of lacemakers?

 Sue M Harvey
 Norfolk UK



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Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?

[Carol]

Hi All,

As well as those on the list, maybe St Andrew should be added!He is the 
patron saint of netters, which could be loosely allied to lacemaking.His 
day is November 30th, just after St Catherine's day - Nov 25th.   (Although 
I was Anglican for the whole of my life, I converted to being a Roman 
Catholic on St Catherine's Day in 2001 - the priest suggested I take thename 
'Catherine' ...


All best wishes,

Carol - in Suffolk UK

- Original Message -  The list that I have from the Saint's index 
is :


laceworkers, lacemakers:

Anne
Crispian
Crispin
Elizabeth of Hungary
Francis of Assisi
John Regis
Luke the Apostle
Sebastian
Teresa of Avila




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Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?

[Jeriames]

Dear Lacemakers,

There are so many occupations in so many nations, that probably  some have
few (or no) Patron Saints.

Isn't it wonderful that lacemakers have so many clearly  defined Patron
Saints!

We've written about St. Catherine of Alexandria on Arachne before, and  you
can research on Google and other search sites.

The following is for our Newbies:

My favorite cookbook, though I do not cook or bake, is Cattern Cakes and
Lace - A Calendar of Feasts by Julia Jones and Barbara Deer, 1987,  ISBN
0-86318-252-6.  It is beautifully illustrated with old laces, old lace  tools,
flowers, old pictures.  Love book so much, I have two copies -  one in the
kitchen
(where it can be quickly found) and one on the library  shelves.

November 15th is St. Catherine's Day, so the calendar in the book  starts
then, and ends November 24th.  The first recipe is Cattern Cakes  (named after
St. Catherine),  On the cover of every issue of Lace  published by The Lace
Guild in England, there is a depiction of what appears to  be a Catherine
Wheel
(a tribute to her?), which was the device on which she was  tortured to death
during the rule of Emperor Maxentius in 310 A.D.

(This day has also been chosen to honor Queen Katherine of Aragon, a patron
of local lacemakers in England.)

Are there any other books about Saints who were lacemakers' patrons -  in
English language?  I mean books that have an emphasis on a  historical lace
connection, not religious books.

Jeri  Ames
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center



In a message dated 10/21/2008 9:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Andrew  is a patron of lacemaking, too.

The thing about patron saints is that  it is not doctrine and anyone can make
any saint patron of  anything.

I chose Zélie Martin as the patron for my lacemaking because  we have a
couple of things in common besides lacemaking.

sr.  Claire


 -Original Message-
 From: Sue  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:31  AM
 To: 'Sister Claire'; 'Shere'e'
 Cc: 'Janis Savage';  'arachne.com'
 Subject: RE: [lace] Lacemaking  saint?


 I have always thought that St Catherine was the  patron saint of
lacemakers?

 Sue M Harvey
 Norfolk  UK



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Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?

[Diana Smith]

From Thomas Wright's  Romance of the Lace Pillow:


'Catterns was observed chiefly in north Northants and Beds; in the greater 
part of lace-land, however, the principal holiday was Tanders (St Andrew's 
Day) November 30th.'


Diana in Northants

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Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?



Dear Lacemakers,

There are so many occupations in so many nations, that probably  some have
few (or no) Patron Saints.

Isn't it wonderful that lacemakers have so many clearly  defined Patron
Saints!

We've written about St. Catherine of Alexandria on Arachne before, and 
you

can research on Google and other search sites.

The following is for our Newbies:

My favorite cookbook, though I do not cook or bake, is Cattern Cakes and
Lace - A Calendar of Feasts by Julia Jones and Barbara Deer, 1987,  ISBN
0-86318-252-6.  It is beautifully illustrated with old laces, old lace 
tools,

flowers, old pictures.  Love book so much, I have two copies -  one in the
kitchen
(where it can be quickly found) and one on the library  shelves.

November 15th is St. Catherine's Day, so the calendar in the book  starts
then, and ends November 24th.  The first recipe is Cattern Cakes  (named 
after
St. Catherine),  On the cover of every issue of Lace  published by The 
Lace

Guild in England, there is a depiction of what appears to  be a Catherine
Wheel
(a tribute to her?), which was the device on which she was  tortured to 
death

during the rule of Emperor Maxentius in 310 A.D.

(This day has also been chosen to honor Queen Katherine of Aragon, a 
patron

of local lacemakers in England.)

Are there any other books about Saints who were lacemakers' patrons -  in
English language?  I mean books that have an emphasis on a  historical 
lace

connection, not religious books.

Jeri  Ames
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center



In a message dated 10/21/2008 9:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Andrew  is a patron of lacemaking, too.

The thing about patron saints is that  it is not doctrine and anyone can 
make

any saint patron of  anything.

I chose Zélie Martin as the patron for my lacemaking because  we have a
couple of things in common besides lacemaking.

sr.  Claire



-Original Message-
From: Sue  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:31  AM
To: 'Sister Claire'; 'Shere'e'
Cc: 'Janis Savage';  'arachne.com'
Subject: RE: [lace] Lacemaking  saint?


I have always thought that St Catherine was the  patron saint of

lacemakers?


Sue M Harvey
Norfolk  UK




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RE: [lace] Lacemaking saint?

[Sue]

Yes, we do make cattern cakes for St Catherine on November 25th and very
tasty they are too.

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK



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Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint? St. Catherine's Correction

[Jeriames]

Dear Clay,

Oops!  You are right.  The book starts with November 25th.   My mind was
elsewhere as I wrote (an unsuccessful attempt to multi-task).   Must focus
more.
Apologies to all.

Jeri  Ames
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center


In a message dated 10/21/2008 3:31:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Oops...  a typo...  Jeri meant, of course, November 25 is St.
Catherine's day, and the day that the book starts with!  It is a fun
book.  I've not made any of the recipes, but I do refer to it to  compare
dates and traditions between US and  UK.

Clay

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear  Lacemakers,

 There are so many occupations in so many nations,  that probably  some have
 few (or no) Patron  Saints.

 Isn't it wonderful that lacemakers have so many  clearly  defined Patron
 Saints!

 We've written  about St. Catherine of Alexandria on Arachne before, and
you
 can  research on Google and other search sites.

 The following is  for our Newbies:

 My favorite cookbook, though I do not cook or  bake, is Cattern Cakes and
 Lace - A Calendar of Feasts by Julia  Jones and Barbara Deer, 1987,  ISBN
 0-86318-252-6.  It is  beautifully illustrated with old laces, old lace
tools,
 flowers,  old pictures.  Love book so much, I have two copies -  one in
the
 kitchen
 (where it can be quickly found) and one on the  library  shelves.

 November 25th is St. Catherine's Day,  so the calendar in the book  starts
 then, and ends November  24th.  The first recipe is Cattern Cakes  (named
after
 St.  Catherine),  On the cover of every issue of Lace  published by The
Lace
 Guild in England, there is a depiction of what appears to   be a Catherine
 Wheel
 (a tribute to her?), which was the device  on which she was  tortured to
death
 during the rule of Emperor  Maxentius in 310 A.D.

 (This day has also been chosen to honor  Queen Katherine of Aragon, a
patron
 of local lacemakers in  England.)

 Are there any other books about Saints who were  lacemakers' patrons -  in
 English language?  I mean books  that have an emphasis on a  historical
lace
 connection, not  religious books.

 Jeri  Ames
 Lace and Embroidery  Resource Center



 In a message dated 10/21/2008  9:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:

 Andrew  is a patron of lacemaking,  too.

 The thing about patron saints is that  it is not  doctrine and anyone can
make
 any saint patron of   anything.

 I chose Zélie Martin as the patron for my lacemaking  because  we have a
 couple of things in common besides  lacemaking.

 sr.  Claire


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 To: 'Sister Claire'; 'Shere'e'
 Cc:  'Janis Savage';  'arachne.com'
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 I have always  thought that St Catherine was the  patron saint of

 lacemakers?

 Sue M  Harvey
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RE: [lace] Lacemaking saint?

[Shere'e]

From the Patron Saints Index: 

Saint Therese of Lisieux
 
Also known as 
 Francoise-Marie Therese Martin
 Teresa of the Infant Jesus
 the Little Flower of Jesus
 the Little Flower
 Therese of the Child Jesus 
Memorial 
1 October 
Profile 
Born to a pious middle-class French family of tradesmen; daughter of Blessed
Louis Martin and Blessed Marie-Azelie Guérin Martin, and all four of her
sisters became nuns. Her mother died when Francoise-Marie was only four, and
the family moved to Lisieux, Normandy, France to be closer to family. Cured
from an illness at age eight when a statue of the Blessed Virgin smiled at
her. Educated by the Benedictine nuns of Notre-Dame-du-Pre. Confirmed there
at age eleven. Just before her 14th birthday she received a vision of the
Child Jesus; she immediately understood the great sacrifice that had been
made for her, and developed an unshakeable faith. Tried to join the
Carmelites, but was turned down due to her age. Pilgrim to Rome at for the
Jubilee of Pope Leo XIII whom she met and who knew of her desire to become a
nun. Joined the Carmelites at Lisieux on 9 April 1888 at age 15, taking her
final vow on 8 September 1890 at age 17. Known by all for her complete
devotion to spiritual development and to the austerities of the Carmelite
rule. Due to health problems resulting from her ongoing fight with
tuberculosis, her superiors ordered her not to fast. Novice mistress at age
20. At age 22 she was ordered by her prioress to begin writing her memories
and ideas, which material would turn into the book History of a Soul.
Defined her path to God and holiness as The Little Way, which consisted of
child-like love and trust in God. She had an on-going correspondence with
Carmelite missionaries in China, often stating how much she wanted to come
work with them. Many miracles attributed to her. Declared a Doctor of the
Church in 1997 by Pope John Paul II. 
Born 
2 January 1873 at Alcon, Normandy, France as Francoise-Marie Therese Martin 
Died 
7pm Thursday 30 September 1897 at Lisieux, France of tuberculosis 
Venerated 
14 August 1921 by Pope Benedict XV 
Beatified 
29 April 1923 by Pope Pius XI 
Canonized 
17 May 1925 by Pope Pius XI 
Patronage 
 African missions
 against bodily ills
 against illness
 against sickness
 AIDS patients
 air crews
 aircraft pilots
 Anchorage, Alaska, archdiocese of
 Australia
 aviators
 Belgian air crews
 black missions
 Cheyenne, Wyoming, diocese of
 Fairbanks, Alaska, diocese of
 florists
 flower growers
 foreign missions (1927)
 France (1944 by Venerable Pope Pius XII)
 Fresno, California, diocese of
 Juneau, Alaska, diocese of
 Kisumu, Kenya, diocese of
 loss of parents
 missionaries
 parish missions
 Pueblo, Colorado, diocese of
 restoration of religious freedom in Russia
 Russia
 sick people
 Spanish air crews
 tuberculosis
 Witbank, South Africa, diocese of
 World Youth Day 
Prayers 
 Novena I to...
 Novena II to...
 Novena III to...
 Prayer I to...
 Prayer II to...
 Act of Oblation to Merciful Love, by Saint Therese

Representation 
 roses
 Discalced Carmelite nun holding a bunch of roses
 nun with roses at her feet 
Images 
Gallery of images of Saint Therese 
Storefront 
Commercial Links related to Saint Therese 
Poems by Saint Therese 
 My Song of Today
 To Live of Love
 Canticle to the Holy Face
 Thou Hast Broken My Bonds, O Lord
 Jesus, My Well Beloved, Remember Thou!
 To The Sacred Heart
 The Eternal Canticle
 I Thirst for Love
 My Heaven On Earth 
Additional Information 
 Book of Saints, by the Monks of Ramsgate
 Catholic Online
 Columbia Encyclopedia
 Divini Amoris Scientia: Saint Thérèse proclaimed a Doctor of the Universal
Church
 Friends of Saint Therese
 Google Directory: General
 Google Directory: Online Biographies
 Google Directory: Devotions
 Google Directory: Essays
 Google Directory: Shrines
 Google Directory: Online Works
 Inside the Vatican
 Lives of the Saints, by Father Alban Butler
 Lives of the Saints, by John J Crawley
 Our Sunday Visitor's Encyclopedia of Saints, by Matthew Bunson, Margaret
Bunson, and Stephen Bunson
 Papal Homily at the Canonization of Saint Thérèse
 Sacred Heart Parish, Waterlooville, UK
 Saint Thérèse's First Communion
 Saint Thérèse on her King, her Incomparable Father
 SaintCast - audio
 Testimony of Marie of the Angels of the Sacred Heart
 Testimony of Mother Agnes of Jesus
 Testimony of Sister Geneviève of Saint Teresa
 Vehementer exultamus hodie: Bull of Canonization of Saint Thérèse
 Zélie Martin: A Mother's Heart

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?

[Sister Claire]

Thanks, but this is about the daughter, the Carmelite from Lisieux.

I'll post something about the mother (the lacemaker) a bit later today. She
is the patron of all my lacemaking.

Sr. Claire

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Shere'e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From the Patron Saints Index:

 Saint Therese of Lisieux

 Also known as
  Francoise-Marie Therese Martin
  Teresa of the Infant Jesus
  the Little Flower of Jesus
  the Little Flower
  Therese of the Child Jesus
 Memorial
 1 October
 Profile
 Born to a pious middle-class French family of tradesmen; daughter of
 Blessed
 Louis Martin and Blessed Marie-Azelie Guérin Martin, and all four of her
 sisters became nuns. Her mother died when Francoise-Marie was only four,
 and
 the family moved to Lisieux, Normandy, France to be closer to family. Cured
 from an illness at age eight when a statue of the Blessed Virgin smiled at
 her. Educated by the Benedictine nuns of Notre-Dame-du-Pre. Confirmed there
 at age eleven. Just before her 14th birthday she received a vision of the
 Child Jesus; she immediately understood the great sacrifice that had been
 made for her, and developed an unshakeable faith. Tried to join the
 Carmelites, but was turned down due to her age. Pilgrim to Rome at for the
 Jubilee of Pope Leo XIII whom she met and who knew of her desire to become
 a
 nun. Joined the Carmelites at Lisieux on 9 April 1888 at age 15, taking her
 final vow on 8 September 1890 at age 17. Known by all for her complete
 devotion to spiritual development and to the austerities of the Carmelite
 rule. Due to health problems resulting from her ongoing fight with
 tuberculosis, her superiors ordered her not to fast. Novice mistress at age
 20. At age 22 she was ordered by her prioress to begin writing her memories
 and ideas, which material would turn into the book History of a Soul.
 Defined her path to God and holiness as The Little Way, which consisted of
 child-like love and trust in God. She had an on-going correspondence with
 Carmelite missionaries in China, often stating how much she wanted to come
 work with them. Many miracles attributed to her. Declared a Doctor of the
 Church in 1997 by Pope John Paul II.
 Born
 2 January 1873 at Alcon, Normandy, France as Francoise-Marie Therese Martin
 Died
 7pm Thursday 30 September 1897 at Lisieux, France of tuberculosis
 Venerated
 14 August 1921 by Pope Benedict XV
 Beatified
 29 April 1923 by Pope Pius XI
 Canonized
 17 May 1925 by Pope Pius XI
 Patronage
  African missions
  against bodily ills
  against illness
  against sickness
  AIDS patients
  air crews
  aircraft pilots
  Anchorage, Alaska, archdiocese of
  Australia
  aviators
  Belgian air crews
  black missions
  Cheyenne, Wyoming, diocese of
  Fairbanks, Alaska, diocese of
  florists
  flower growers
  foreign missions (1927)
  France (1944 by Venerable Pope Pius XII)
  Fresno, California, diocese of
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  Kisumu, Kenya, diocese of
  loss of parents
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  World Youth Day
 Prayers
  Novena I to...
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  Act of Oblation to Merciful Love, by Saint Therese

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 Images
 Gallery of images of Saint Therese
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 Poems by Saint Therese
  My Song of Today
  To Live of Love
  Canticle to the Holy Face
  Thou Hast Broken My Bonds, O Lord
  Jesus, My Well Beloved, Remember Thou!
  To The Sacred Heart
  The Eternal Canticle
  I Thirst for Love
  My Heaven On Earth
 Additional Information
  Book of Saints, by the Monks of Ramsgate
  Catholic Online
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  Divini Amoris Scientia: Saint Thérèse proclaimed a Doctor of the Universal
 Church
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  Google Directory: General
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  Lives of the Saints, by Father Alban Butler
  Lives of the Saints, by John J Crawley
  Our Sunday Visitor's Encyclopedia of Saints, by Matthew Bunson, Margaret
 Bunson, and Stephen Bunson
  Papal Homily at the Canonization of Saint Thérèse
  Sacred Heart Parish, Waterlooville, UK
  Saint Thérèse's First Communion
  Saint Thérèse on her King, her Incomparable Father
  SaintCast - audio
  Testimony of Marie of the Angels of the Sacred Heart
  Testimony of Mother Agnes of Jesus
  Testimony of Sister Geneviève of Saint Teresa
  Vehementer exultamus hodie: Bull of Canonization of Saint Thérèse
  Zélie Martin: A Mother's Heart

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  Saint Thérèse asks her father permission to enter 

Re: [lace] Lacemaking Terms

[Achim Siebert]

Hello Dean,

I'll try to translate those terms:


Innennadel


Setting the pin inside of 2 pairs (straight footside).


Aussennadel


Setting the pin outside, i.e. between the outmost 2 pairs. Gives a  
ripply footside.


See http://www.teddys-handarbeiten.de/xkloep-gr-ganzschlag.htm; - the  
4 pictures on top use Aussennadel, the pictures below that use  
Innennadel.



aufeinandernähen


to saw (two pieces of cloth) onto each other


evt


possibly (abbr. of eventuell)


Strassteine (Aufnähsteine)


Rhinestone/paste gems (stones to saw on).


Anleitung


Manual, instructions


Thank you very much in advance!
Dee Palin


You're welcome!
Best, Achim.

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in 'Larkrise to Candleford'

[Barron]

Opening sequence in this evening's episode showed Queenie sitting under a
tree, making bobbin lace on a rather flattened bolster pillow. Too quick to
take in just what she was making, or the type of bobbins. There didn't seem
to be many bobbins, but it did look as if she was actually making lace.

If
anyone's videoed it, perhaps they can give a more accurate description.

you
can go to the BBC iPlayer and watch the episode online at your leisure
jenny
barron
Scotland

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in 'Larkrise to Candleford'

[Malvary J Cole]

Jenny wrote:   you can go to the BBC iPlayer and watch the episode online at 
your leisure

jenny barron Scotland

But only if you live in the UK.  Not available to outsiders.

Malvary in Ottawa (the Nation's Capital), Canada  where we have had an 
absolutely lovely spring day and some of our enormous snow piles have been 
melting away (the pile from where my drive has been shovelled is a lot 
taller than I am)


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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in 'Larkrise to Candleford'

[Diana Smith]

Everything looks fairly correct except maybe the pincushion - too modern 
looking. The pillow is what I'd call a plum pudding shape, not a bolster, 
and is typical of the East Midlands. The bobbins are spangled bone East 
Midlands type.
Queenie seems to be working a narrow edging, though its impossible to tell 
what lace type, there appears to be sufficient bobbins for the job.


Diana in Northamptonshire
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Opening sequence in this evening's episode showed Queenie sitting under a
tree, making bobbin lace on a rather flattened bolster pillow. Too quick 
to
take in just what she was making, or the type of bobbins. There didn't 
seem

to be many bobbins, but it did look as if she was actually making lace.

If
anyone's videoed it, perhaps they can give a more accurate description.

you
can go to the BBC iPlayer and watch the episode online at your leisure
jenny
barron
Scotland

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Re: [lace] lacemaking helpers

[Celia Mulhearn]

Hi everyone
At the momet my 'useful gadget' is a large plastic mixing bowl... I have 
just started a Honiton Sampler and have found that my pillow sits nicely 
onto the bowl similar to a honiton pillow stand (which I'm hoping to get 
for my birthday in May from DH) This makes balancing everything much easier.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I propose a useful thread:  Tell us about the handy things you've found in everyday life that have been applied to your lacemaking in a new and helpful way!  A couple of years ago, we talked about Clay's tool, which is a swivel-hackle plier made for fly-tying.  I discovered that this could be used as a clip-on bobbin when you broke a thread, or if you reached the bitter end of the thread when the lace was almost finished.  
  


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Re: [lace] lacemaking helpers

[Celia Mulhearn]

Replying to myself. is that another 'nearly 50' thing to contend 
with. I noticed that I didn't sign off the previous message so here goes
Celia Mulhearn in a cold, foggy and frosty SE London but where the sun 
is trying to peep through


Celia Mulhearn wrote:

Hi everyone
At the momet my 'useful gadget' is a large plastic mixing bowl... I 
have just started a Honiton Sampler and have found that my pillow sits 
nicely onto the bowl similar to a honiton pillow stand (which I'm 
hoping to get for my birthday in May from DH) This makes balancing 
everything much easier.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I propose a useful thread:  Tell us about the handy things you've 
found in everyday life that have been applied to your lacemaking in 
a new and helpful way!  A couple of years ago, we talked about 
Clay's tool, which is a swivel-hackle plier made for fly-tying.  I 
discovered that this could be used as a clip-on bobbin when you 
broke a thread, or if you reached the bitter end of the thread when 
the lace was almost finished.


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RE: [lace] lacemaking helpers

[David in Ballarat]

G'day Friends,
I have a couple VERY useful little helpers. One is the electrical 
tool hackle plier which was recommended on this list some years ago 
(just prior to the swivel plier which comes from the same place).


The other is a bush walker's head lamp. When I first looked at these 
about 3 years ago they were quite expensive at around AUS$40. 
However, these days I see much cheaper versions at the weekly markets 
for only about AUS$5. This little lamp has been invaluable when I've 
been out bush with no power and as it's on your forehead, it points 
to exactly where you are working. It will work just as well when at 
home, but as the batteries don't last all that long it's easier to 
use my halogen lamp.


I also use the plastic pockets religiously, but mainly with 
cross-stitch and petit point when the pattern could be as much as 25 
pages large. I keep them all together in one pocket with the thread 
colour chart on top. That way I can see at a glance which colour I am 
using. The actual page I am working on is on my desk with the 
highlighter pen beside it of course.


Another very handy hint I can offer to embroiderers is that when you 
are doing a fine petit point (say 40 sts per inch or more) and it's 
difficult to locate the spot to start a new thread, find the spot and 
then immediately stick into it a pearl headed pin. This pin will be 
quite a bit thicker than your embroidery needle and when removed 
leaves a visible hole - also very handy for a bookmark if you have 
to dash off to answer the phone, make a coffee or go to the dunny :)


David in Ballarat

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Re: [lace] lacemaking helpers

[Sue]

I used one of this little head lamp things recently, quite good:-)

David, how is your big project going.  I haven't seen any references to it 
or follow up pictures for quite a while now.

Sue T



G'day Friends,
I have a couple VERY useful little helpers. One is the electrical tool 
hackle plier which was recommended on this list some years ago (just prior 
to the swivel plier which comes from the same place).


The other is a bush walker's head lamp. When I first looked at these about 
3 years ago they were quite expensive at around AUS$40. However, these 
days I see much cheaper versions at the weekly markets for only about 
AUS$5. This little lamp has been invaluable when I've been out bush with 
no power and as it's on your forehead, it points to exactly where you are 
working. It will work just as well when at home, but as the batteries 
don't last all that long it's easier to use my halogen lamp.


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Re: [lace] lacemaking helpers - for those who make petit point to use with lace

[Jeriames]

In a message dated 2/18/2008 7:16:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I also  use the plastic pockets religiously, but mainly with 
cross-stitch and  petit point when the pattern could be as much as 25 
pages large. I keep  them all together in one pocket with the thread 
colour chart on top. That  way I can see at a glance which colour I am 
using. The actual page I am  working on is on my desk with the 
highlighter pen beside it of  course.



For David and others trying to keep their place when using stitching  charts, 
I nominate a colored pencil:
 
If the chart is not colored, and has just symbols - I use a colored pencil  
(erasable) to color in the most dominant color in the area being worked.   That 
way, all the zigs, zags and openings made by that color can be  seen.  It 
makes it easier to see to fill in the stitches in other  colors, or if a 
counting 
error has occurred.  I do not prestitch this  dominant area, as it would 
result in puckers in embroidery and difficulty  fitting in the other colors.  I 
stitch the rows in order, starting in  center row and all below it, then turn 
stretcher and chart and work all the  rows in top half.  I don't use 
highlighter 
pens near needlework.   Accidents happen!  
 
I embroider at a table and sit in a straight chair as the professionals do,  
with embroidery fabric attached to a stretcher to fit the whole  piece.  No 
hoop for me!  If petit point silk gauze is the ground  fabric - extremely 
expensive when of best quality from Switzerland - I  cut the gauze a little 
larger 
than the embroidery will be, and use sewing  machine to zig-zag that gauze onto 
the center a very firmly woven fabric  (like raincoat fabric), then cut a 
window opening in the under fabric  (so it looks like a window screen).  This 
larger firmer fabric is what  is tacked or stapled to the stretcher.  If you 
make 
miniatures,  this will result in a flat rug or other furnishing for your 
rooms.  This  method works for petit point jewelry, as well.
 
Hope some of you have seen exquisite work that combines petit point and  
lace.  It is the sort of thing you rarely see today.
 
Jeri  Ames
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center



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Re: [lace] lacemaking helpers

[clayblackwell]

WOW!  What a wonderful assortment of good ideas and nifty tricks!  We all know 
that our collective wisdom is amazing - all we have to do is ask!!

Thanks for a welcome shot-in-the-arm of lace-related emails for the past two 
days!  Let's not let it die down to a dribble again!

Clay

--
Clay Blackwell 
Lynchburg, VA USA 

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RE: [lace] lacemaking helpers

[mary carey]

Hi All,

I, too use a plastic pocket for the working diagram copied from the book.  At
present I am working an edging from one of Elwyn Kenn's books.  It sometimes
helps to have a piece of cardboard in the pocket too.

Although it does not apply so much to lace patterns, I use a highlighter pen
when working filet crochet, marking each row as I have worked it  -  then can
see where I have been and where I am going.

If I am working a repeat pattern, eg, on an altar cloth edge, I sometimes use
a metal plate and magnets (specially made for the purpose) to keep track of
where I am up to.

Mary Carey
Campbelltown, NSW, Australia



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Re: [lace] lacemaking helpers

[bevw]

What will we call this handy device?
Clay's Diagram-Dock maybe ;)

 over!!  The holder even protects the diagrams when I pack up to go to class
 or to a guild meeting.  I love this thing!!

 To see this, go to...

 http://tinyurl.com/2vocwm



I use 4-page transparent folders with a turn-out sleeve on each 'page' so
that groups of papers can be kept together according to whatever project I'm
working on. Then I have the reference material - diagrams, my notes, samples
of the thread or the lace itself contained, and more accessible for me than
if in a single stack.

I have a staple-less 'stapler' which is a dandy toy for clipping papers
together - it is of no help particularly with lacemaking but it is clever,
and I prefer the neat small hole it makes,  to the metal staples.
-- 
Bev  (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

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RE: [lace] lacemaking helpers

[clayblackwell]

Amen.  Hallelujah, Amen!!  Can't say enough good things about the tweezers, 
when it comes to cat hairs!!

Clay

--
Clay Blackwell 
Lynchburg, VA USA 


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From: Beth Mccasland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 My list is short and sweet - hemostats or tweezers - for picking cat hairs 
 out. 
 
 Beth McCasland 
 in the suburbs of New Orleans 
 where we're having spring like weather. 
 
 
  [Original Message] 
  From: 
  To: 
  Date: 2/17/2008 4:42:46 PM 
  Subject: [lace] lacemaking helpers 
  
  Hello Spiders! 
  
  This list has been unusually quiet lately! Is everyone suffering from 
 the winter blahs, or - for our friends downunder - from the dog days of 
 summer? 
  
  I propose a useful thread: Tell us about the handy things you've found 
 in everyday life that have been applied to your lacemaking in a new and 
 helpful way! A couple of years ago, we talked about Clay's tool, which 
 is a swivel-hackle plier made for fly-tying. I discovered that this could 
 be used as a clip-on bobbin when you broke a thread, or if you reached 
 the bitter end of the thread when the lace was almost finished. 
  
  What prompts me to write is that I have a new favorite: It's called a 
 DocU-Pocket, and is like a page protector - except it isn't made for a 
 binder. It's meant to hold pages that people would hang on their cubible 
 walls in the office, with certificates, charts, lists - or even pictures. 
 Also, unlike the page protector, these are rigid. And therein lies their 
 application to lacemakers!! 
  
  When I work a piece of lace from a book, I generally copy the diagram(s) 
 so I don't have to keep my book open all the time and add wear and tear to 
 the spine. With the DocU-Pocket, I can slide a number of pages into the 
 pocket and the one I need is on top. I can use post-it arrows to help keep 
 my place, and the pages stay in order. It's a wonderful tool... but the 
 best part is that because it is rigid plastic, I can prop it against almost 
 anything and it stays put, the pages don't fall over!! The holder even 
 protects the diagrams when I pack up to go to class or to a guild meeting. 
 I love this thing!! 
  
  To see this, go to... 
  
  http://tinyurl.com/2vocwm 
  
  I'm looking forward to lots of other ideas from all of you! 
  
  Clay 
  -- 
  Clay Blackwell 
  Lynchburg, VA USA 
  
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking Ancestors?

[Diana Smith]

Hello Adele

My lace research mainly covers Northants but I've looked at the map for
Keyston and it is virtually surrounded by towns/villages where lace was
made - Thrapston, Raunds, Ringstead, Rushden, Kimbolton, Catworth
and is not too far from Wellingborough where it is believed the Luton sheets
originated from at the beginning of the 19th century - but is nowhere near 
Tiffield!


Also its not far from the border with Bedfordshire and early in
the 20th century Harry Armstrong of the Bucks Cottage Workers Agency had
workers over the border in Hunts.

I did a Google search but not much there except I noticed it was on a toll 
Road

and had a toll house. It is also close to an old Roman road - the A1 - which
meant that any dealer coming from London would have an fairly
straightforward journey.

Though not very good this site will give you some idea what the village
is/was like.
http://www.huntsdc.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/C7D16423-1FFE-4A2C-BE9D-17EBC06E7277/0/Keyston_Character_Statement.pdf

I'll look see if there's anything of interest in my 'archive' and get back
to you if I find anything.
Diana in Northants


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 While tracing one family (the Braybrooks) on my Dad's side, I found
census records for them in 1841 in Keyston, Huntingdonshire and all the
female members of the families (there were several groups) were
lacemakers!  snipWhat I don't know is the type of lace that would have
been made in Keyston.  It is on the border of Northamptonshire but could
have been influenced by either Bedfordshire or Buckinghamshire.  Does
anyone have any suggestions to offer?


Ahhh, Helen, what we really need to know is, - how far is Keyston from
Tiffield? :-)

In Jackson's History of Hand-Made Lace, regarding Northamptonshire
laces, she says in part  ...The patterns were taken from those of Lille
and Mechlin, hence the laces of Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire are often
called English Lille. (P. 184) The outbreak of the war with France gave
a great impulse to the lace trade of Northampton, as it closed our ports
to the French laces. From that time a sort of fausse Valenciennes, called
locally French ground, has been made. Valenciennes as fine as any made
in Hainault was also made until the cessation of the war. The lace is
still [1900] in Tiffield and other lace-making districts of the county.

I wonder if your 1841 ancestors would have been influenced by the laces
made during the French wars, but 1815 to 1841 is only 26 years, and 26
years ago, today, is only 1981. I can well imagine someone making the
laces of 1981 in 2007.

Adele
Very close to you, in
North Vancouver, BC
and sorry to have missed the RAL meeting today.

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RE:[lace] Lacemaking Ancestors?

[Bridget Marrow]

Original  message:

With the lace list being so quiet just now, I thought I'd tell you about one of 
my latest genealogical finds. While tracing one family (the Braybrooks) on my 
Dad's side, I found census records for them in 1841 in Keyston, Huntingdonshire 
and all the female members of the families (there were several groups) were 
lacemakers! That means I now have 'race memories' of lacemaking from both sides 
of the family as my maternal grandmother made lace most of her life though only 
as a hobby. Clearly I was meant to learn to make lace myself :-)

What I don't know is the type of lace that would have been made in Keyston. It 
is on the border of Northamptonshire but could have been influenced by either 
Bedfordshire or Buckinghamshire. Does anyone have any suggestions to offer?


Dear Helen and other spiders


1841 is in any case too early for Bedfordshire lace, which didn't really get 
going until after 1851, when Maltese lace had wowed everybody at the Great 
Crystal Palace Exhibition.  The lacemakers followed the fashion, copying and 
adapting it to make Beds-Maltese which later, thanks largely to the genius of 
designer Thomas Lester, became the distinctive Bedfordshire lace we know today.


Co-incidentally, Cranford is set at the same period - early 1840s.  Rightly 
the lace shown is small scale, Bucks or Mechlin style.  Though I do think they 
might have found a more spectacular piece for the cat the swallow - that after 
all was meant to  be a priceless 18th century antique!

Happy lacing

Bridget, in Watford, England

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking Ancestors?

[Adele Shaak]

Jenny wrote:


...1871 census shows very few Braybrooks in Keyston, Ancestry.co.uk 
has the place name indexed as Keystone, and of the women I looked at 
by that name I only found one 14yr. old girl as a lacemaker called 
Braybrook.  Other Braybrooks were spread around the area at this 
census.  I think the Genuki page above will tell you the Keyston was 
absorbed into another village or something as time went on so maybe 
the Braybrooks were living in the same places as before but the place 
name had begun to be changed as the village boundary was being 
re-drawn?   These census results show the sad decline of the lace 
making industry though.


Hi: I think the census results also demonstrate how quickly and easily 
women disappear when they lose their last name through marriage. These 
women could still have been living in Keyston and making lace but as 
Mrs. John Smith, not so-and-so Braybrook.


Adele
North Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking Ancestors?

[Adele Shaak]

 While tracing one family (the Braybrooks) on my Dad's side, I found 
census records for them in 1841 in Keyston, Huntingdonshire and all 
the female members of the families (there were several groups) were 
lacemakers!  snipWhat I don't know is the type of lace that would 
have been made in Keyston.  It is on the border of Northamptonshire 
but could have been influenced by either Bedfordshire or 
Buckinghamshire.  Does anyone have any suggestions to offer?


Ahhh, Helen, what we really need to know is, - how far is Keyston from 
Tiffield? :-)


In Jackson's History of Hand-Made Lace, regarding Northamptonshire 
laces, she says in part  ...The patterns were taken from those of 
Lille and Mechlin, hence the laces of Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire 
are often called English Lille. (P. 184) The outbreak of the war with 
France gave a great impulse to the lace trade of Northampton, as it 
closed our ports to the French laces. From that time a sort of fausse 
Valenciennes, called locally French ground, has been made. 
Valenciennes as fine as any made in Hainault was also made until the 
cessation of the war. The lace is still [1900] in Tiffield and other 
lace-making districts of the county.


I wonder if your 1841 ancestors would have been influenced by the laces 
made during the French wars, but 1815 to 1841 is only 26 years, and 26 
years ago, today, is only 1981. I can well imagine someone making the 
laces of 1981 in 2007.


Adele
Very close to you, in
North Vancouver, BC
and sorry to have missed the RAL meeting today.

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Re: [lace] ... lacemaking bobbins on ebay/lace content

[bevw]

Well, I tried;)
and I did get in lace content :))

Bev

 Nope, flying shuttles are not used in lace machines. That makes single
rows

-- 
Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking video

[Helen Ward]

I'm getting the same, Jean - it's totally unwatchable.

Helen - in OZ





Jenny gave us this link:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/video/307297028188630

Don't know what it's like for anyone else, but on my computer the pixels are
very large and I can't see what the lacemaker's doing.

I also noticed on the righthand side 48 of 49 album full. Does this mean
that no new images can be added to the Arachne webshots site until some have
been deleted?

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK


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Re: [lace] Lacemaking video

[Eve Morton]

Hi Jean and Everyone

Jean Nathan wrote:
 I also noticed on the righthand side 48 of 49 album full. Does
 this mean 
 that no new images can be added to the Arachne webshots
 site until some have 
 been deleted?

I don't think that it is the Arachne web album but belongs to sewdoll 
alias I think Lori Howe.

Eve
London, UK.

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking video

[Lori Howe]

Sorry about the pixels. Webshots did that enlargement. It is a small still
camera video. I can't figure how to reduce the size so it looks better. 
Also the 48 of 49, then full album,  means it is the 48th item in an album
of 49 and to see the whole album click on the words full album
Lori Howe

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Subject: [lace] Lacemaking video

Jenny gave us this link:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/video/307297028188630

Don't know what it's like for anyone else, but on my computer the pixels are
very large and I can't see what the lacemaker's doing.

I also noticed on the righthand side 48 of 49 album full. Does this mean
that no new images can be added to the Arachne webshots site until some have
been deleted?

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking video

[Barbara Joyce]

The pixels may be large, but that voice is unmistakable! Holly Van Sciver
demonstrating how to make a tally!

Barbara Joyce

Snoqualmie, WA US


 Sorry about the pixels. Webshots did that enlargement. It is a small still
 camera video. I can't figure how to reduce the size so it looks better.
 Also the 48 of 49, then full album,  means it is the 48th item in an album
 of 49 and to see the whole album click on the words full album
 Lori Howe
 
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 Subject: [lace] Lacemaking video
 
 Jenny gave us this link:
 
 http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/video/307297028188630
 
 Don't know what it's like for anyone else, but on my computer the pixels are
 very large and I can't see what the lacemaker's doing.
 
 I also noticed on the righthand side 48 of 49 album full. Does this mean
 that no new images can be added to the Arachne webshots site until some have
 been deleted?
 
 Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK
 
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Re: [lace] lacemaking and RSIs

[Rochelle Sutherland]

Dear All,

I absolutely agree with Jane, because I too am a
physiotherapist. Can I just add one warning? Pilates
as taught properly is very good for you, but a lot of
people teaching 'Pilates' are teaching a watered down
version a best and many people are getting injured in
such classes. A Pilates teacher should have
qualifications, it is a long course, and if they can't
show you a certificate or some proof, be very wary.

Imbalance in the trapezius muscles is very common and
can be easily avoided by pulling the shoulder blades
down and in as Jane described and having regular
breaks from your lacemaking. There is a great little
book out called Rx for Quilters, Susan Delany Mech,
2000, ISBN 1-57120-092-4. Okay, we're not quilters,
but it gives you so much information about posture,
common injuries and exercises, it is well worth it.


--- Jane Atkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Hi, folks.
 
 Forgive me for lurking on the ether for some months
 without making a
 contribution to Arachne, having joined after I got
 back from America, 
 but
 you usually cover a subject in depth without needing
 any addition from 
 me.
 
 However, something caught my eye when I turned on my
 computer this 
 morning,
 having just been up to plant seedlings on my
 allotment on a nice, soggy 
 day.
 The comment was: I hadn't realized
 lace making could be so tough on the body.
 
 Well, as someone who's suffered a fair share of RSI,
 and torn shoulders 
 -
 not all of it, but some of it, caused by lacemaking
 - I think I can say 
 that
 lacemaking is tough on the body, as we often use the
 wrong muscles.  
 Two
 physiotherapists commented when working on me that
 the muscles in my 
 back
 were out of balance - the ones that should operate
 the arms are the 
 lower
 traps (trapesius, I think) below the shoulder blade,
 but the strong 
 ones in
 my shoulders were the upper traps across the top.
 
 I was given exercises to retrain them, and the thing
 that sorted out my 
 RSI
 was good posture; when we lean over a lace pillow,
 we automatically use 
 the
 wrong muscles when we shift our weight forwards.
 
 Luckily, one of the physios was a close friend, and
 I asked her if 
 there
 were some exercises I could do to keep myself in
 good shape, and she
 recommended Pilates.  This establishes core
 stability around the waist 
 and
 exercises and stretches individual muscles so that,
 if you persevere,
 everything should work right.  I did it for quite a
 while before other 
 life
 got in the way, and will go back to it when I can.
 
 In the meanwhile, I use the allotment to exercise
 the muscles that I 
 don't
 use in lacemaking.  As someone coming in for
 arthritis, too, I had a 
 long
 session last year with an occupational therapist,
 and she saw the 
 allotment
 as a good way of exercising 'gross motor' muscles -
 when I get up there 
 in
 the Spring and start clearing weeds and building
 compost, I do feel so 
 much
 better for it.  And it's useful and satisfying
 exercise - my edible 
 Pilates.
 
 What it doesn't exactly help with are the arthritic
 hands - but you 
 can't
 have everything.  There I was told to cut my work
 load by half; pretty 
 well
 impossible although I did cut out one or two things
 that others could 
 do.
 
 Stand straight and tall, and put one hand on the
 other shoulder so you 
 can
 feel the muscles; then lift up the free arm and see
 if you can feel the
 muscles moving.  You shouldn't, really!  Pilates
 will teach you to 
 engage
 the lower traps by holding your shoulder blades
 down, releasing the 
 tension
 in the upper muscles.
 
 I have arrived at a Lace Guild Convention in upper
 back agony, which I 
 put
 down to hefting heavy teaching bags using under-used
 muscles.  You do 
 have
 to keep fit for lacemaking; and for the travel that
 comes as a lovely 
 bonus
 (a recent trip to the 10th International Vamberk
 Festival really showed
 that, as a stressful journey was followed by a
 migraine, not something 
 I
 usually suffer from.  There, I was fortunate in
 sharing a room with a
 skilful masseuse, who soon put me right - but that
 is not something one 
 can
 normally rely on!).
 
 All I can say is: if you want to keep lacemaking,
 keep fit.
 
 While I'm on, I've wanted to report that I've just
 updated my website,
 lace.nildram.co.uk, with a report under 'feedback'
 on my teaching trip 
 to
 Chicago and Philadelphia in the Spring.  And having
 just written about
 Vamberk for a web magazine, I guess I'd better do
 something about that,
 too - just have to get some lace made first.
 
 Best wishes to you all, and thanks for fascinating
 reading, Jane 
 Atkinson
 
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  Rochelle Sutherland
  
  Lachlan (7 yrs), Duncan (6 yrs) and Iain (5 yrs)
  
  www.houseofhadrian.com.au