Re: [PEDA] Video Board Recommendations ?
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:48:38 -0400, Brian Guralnick wrote: Stay away from Matrox, unless you will be sticking with good old win2k. Why do you say that? I use Matrox video cards almost exclusively for my workstations and have never had a problem with the drivers or hardware and their dualhead operation is the best I've run across so far. I do use Win2K for my own systems, but I have built a few for other people with WinXP and not had any troubles... so I guess I'm curious. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Multiple Displays
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:53:56 -0700, Jim Monroe wrote: I'm getting ready to add a second monitor for use with DXP04 running on Win2k. I'm hoping those with experience can guide me in the right direction. I'm thinking about adding a 15 or 17 inch flat panel as the secondary display to my 21 CRT. I thought the flat panel would be used for display of panels and reports while the CRT would be used for the editing workspace. Here are some things I'm curious sure about: 1. Is this a good strategy? 2. Is my proposed mix of CRT and flat panel even feasible, and can the flat panel be set for a lower resolution than the CRT. If this is hardware dependant, is there anything special I should know? I run in the same configuration you're proposing: Win2K, 21 CRT, 17 LCD, two different resolutions stretched across the Windows desktop. As far as I know, Matrox Dualhead cards are the only ones on the market that can pull this off. When I was looking at ATI and Nvidia cards, their tech support told me they couldn't do (and never would). BTW, I use Matrox G400 MAX video cards and they are awesome for dualhead CAD work. I picked several up on Ebay for a song (~$25 ea.). The newer G450 and G550 cards will also work OK, although they actually are slower than the G400 MAX. I wish they hadn't stopped production on the G400 MAX cards. 3. I'd like to hear about multi-display configurations that work especially well (or don't work well). It works great for me. I used to run a 17 CRT as the second monitor, but I love the LCD as a secondary work area. I'd never use it for CAD, but it's great for looking at pdf files, email, web browsing, etc. That's personal preference though, I think LCDs are harsh compared to CRTs. Then again, I work in a very subdued light environment and it has really reduced the eye strain for me. I think your configuration will work well -- it has for me this past year or so. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Multiple Displays
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:19:41 +0100, Rich Thompson wrote: I've got a matrox parhelia with two seventeen inch tft displays at 1280*1024. works great. I generally have the panels open all of the time on the second monitor, main workspace on the primary. Different resolutions should be fine as long as your gfx card doesn't 'stretch' the display across the two monitors (which sucks) make sure they are I actually like this mode -- you can just drag stuff from one desktop to another. I tried two separate desktops (horizontal and vertical) and didn't like it as well. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Multiple Displays
Ahhh, gotcha. Yes, that is a crappy display mode. It sounds like you use the same video mode with your Parhelia that I do with my G400 card. Matrox really has nice drivers and support pretty much all modes possible. According to their web site, the reason they can do the dual res. desktop thing in Win2K is that Win2K requires two physically separate video controllers (which they have, effectively 2 cards on a chip) and they also hack the Win2K GDI kernel to provide two virtual drivers from one physical chip (something Win98 and WinXP support natively, but Win2K does not). They also spent a long time writing (very) stable drivers to achieve this. At this point in time, nVidia and ATI appear to consider Win2K extinct and aren't about to spend any money or time writing drivers to make their cards work this way in Win2K. Matt On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:50:42 +0100, Rich Thompson wrote: Matt Not sure if we are talking about the same thing or not. When I said stretch I meant the cheap cards that run the display at eg 2048xx768 and stretch it across the two monitors. The 'start' menu then appears on the left monitor while the 'clock' appears on the right monitor. Both monitors have to run at the same res (as it is actually) I can drag stuff from one monitor to the other, but they are actually completely separate with regards desktop area and resolution (no task bar on the second) windows correctly maximise to the respective monitor and appear correctly on the designated monitor, rather than centred between the two. What a pain that is. Take Care Rich -Original Message- From: Matt Pobursky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 August 2004 21:07 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Multiple Displays On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:19:41 +0100, Rich Thompson wrote: I've got a matrox parhelia with two seventeen inch tft displays at 1280*1024. works great. I generally have the panels open all of the time on the second monitor, main workspace on the primary. Different resolutions should be fine as long as your gfx card doesn't 'stretch' the display across the two monitors (which sucks) make sure they are I actually like this mode -- you can just drag stuff from one desktop to another. I tried two separate desktops (horizontal and vertical) and didn't like it as well. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Ver 3.x -- 99SE or DXP??
and the designs I see every day with the clients/contract manufacturers I work with. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel TOP GUN
I have found the TOP GUN competitions very interesting, as well as the discussion here. But in my case, the types of designs that are used in the competition are totally irrelevant to me and the type of designs I actually do. Everything we do is manually routed, predominantly because there's usually an equal mixture of analog/power/mechanical components that autorouters just can't deal with. Our designs are usually space- constrained too and often requires a minimum board space/shortest tracks and fewest vias mentality. We also do very few boards greater than 4 layers. In that regard I think Protel99SE is a great tool, it's manual routing tools are excellent. As an example, my last big board design was 4 layers, 8 x 10 and about 700 components (many of them power and analog). The schematic was 23 B size sheets. Here's a screen shot of the board: http://www.mps-design.com/misc-images/M2CPU.bmp I'm not sure anyone could layout that kind of board much faster or better with any other tool, regardless of the cost of the tool. I think the value of the tool depends on how closely it matches your intended use. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Thu, 13 May 2004 10:30:18 -0500, Protel Hell wrote: I know at least one person has made Top Gun using PADS. I believe all others who have made Top Gun used what would be considered high end ($) CAD. If you want to get the job done quickly and accurately, that is what you want to use. If you cannot afford one of these high end tools, If you have more time than money then you will be forced to use a low cost CAD, but be aware that in the end you will spend almost as much, it's just that you will be spending your time instead of money. And in time to market, you will almost certainly loose. I think that Bills experience pretty much proves my point, he is a very experienced designer, a Top Gun in all measure, but in competing against other Top Guns, he was basically in a shootout at the OK corral armed with a slingshot while others had automatic high caliber weapons. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:19:34 -0700, Brooks,Bill wrote: Those big vendors like Cadence and Mentor will all adopt the old business model because the only players will be big companies... no competition, maybe Protel can't compete. Or maybe we just don't see the whole picture... Lots of 'maybes' in there. I think Protel has a market... it's guys and gals like us that are willing to hold on... but nobody can continue to wait forever. I would prefer that Protel remain a player and fix the product... there is a need for the smaller companies to have somewhere they can go to get their board software. As the economy picks up there will be a lot more startup shops and they will need Protel... or a cad vendor like them if they want to design in house. Then there's always the guys who set up shop and contract their jobs. And then there's China.. hmm that's another subject. If Mentor was cheaper Protel would not have a chance. Hang in there Protel and get the product working before sending it out. And... listen to your customers... This has been a really interesting discussion without degrading into outright Protel/Altium bashing. I think all of us on the list are hoping for the best, but there's a bunch of us that have been in the industry a long time and have heard and seen all the stories and promises... I took a look at the Pulsonix website today and I must say I'm impressed. They seem to have put together a package that does what 90% of engineers and PCB designers I talk to need. The price seems reasonable too. If their tools work as advertised, I think Altium has much to fear. As for me and my PCB designer -- we've decided to use Protel 99SE until it becomes impractical for us. Protel 2004 adds no must have features that make a switch worthwhile to us. I really wish Altium would have just fixed the handful of known issues with P99SE and charged an upgrade fee for it. I would have gladly coughed up $1000-$1500 for it, both for the bug fixes and to avoid having to go through a learning curve for a tool I'm still not convinced would let me do my job any faster or better. So for now, we're riding it out with P99SE but watching what develops in the market. Pulsonix just got added to the watch list. Who knows, they might even offer a deal to convert registered users of other EDA tools to their software? Much as Protel did with Orcad users several years ago (when there was a revolt going on after Cadence bought Orcad). That could be big trouble for Altium. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:44:09 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Of course, the problem for commercial software (such as Protel) is that if it evolves to point of being bug-free, there is very little incentive to upgrade, and the business model dries up. That's when you put your software engineers to work writing converters for all your competitor's databases and going after market share! ;-) You can be a *real* marketing force when armed with stable, bug-free software, discount pricing specials for users of competitors tools and the converters to make the switch as painless as possible. Protel actually converted me from Orcad/Tango because they could import my existing schematic and PCB designs, plus I was a disgruntled Orcad user and they offered me a relatively painless and inexpensive way to switch. So what do I use for backup software? A removable hard drive mapped as a network drive, and the XCOPY command. Advantages: it's way faster, cheaper, and more reliable than tape, it's free, and files are stored in non-encrypted, non-compacted FAT32 form that can be easily read by Win9X or later and Linux. Disadvantages: manual intervention required to match partitions on network drives to partitions on the removable hard drive, not good for incremental backups, only complete backups. Wow, this is one area I've searched the world for also. I use Novastor's Novaback software with a removable hard drive now for my workgroup network. It works reasonably well with scheduled backups (full and incremental) for my small (6) workstation network. I also have recently tried Dantz Retrospect backup software. It's extremely capable and reasonably inexpensive (about $85), but it's not nearly as easy to configure and use as Novaback. Typical enterprise software scaled down to the workgroup/desktop level. Unfortunately, I think you need to be some sort of IT wonk to setup and use it. Yes, the world needs a good, reliable and inexpensive backup software package. I honestly think this is why so many people never backup -- if it's not an automated process, reliable and easy to setup no one will bother. Haven't tried Eudora since 1998. Kinda hard to get excited about an e-mail client that I have to pay for, when there exist free ones. If I could be assured that Eudora would do what I want and be non-buggy, I might spring $29 for it. Otherwise, no. FWIW, I have been using Pocomail for over 3 years now and have never had it eat an email on me. I do know others have reported it, but I've not personally seen it on any of my systems or any of my friends that also use it. I would say I get a heavy amount of email, probably 300/day or so on average so I'm working with pretty large mailboxes most of the time. I used Pegasus mail before that and gave up when the author said he was done supporting it. Of course about a year after I switched to Pocomail, he decided to update it and continue development. Go figure. I don't think there is a single email client that can satisfy everyone, seems everyone has different expectations. Anyway, Happy New Year to you too Ivan and everyone else on the list. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Altium KB and Mozilla
Tony, I'm running Firebird 0.7 and it does the same thing. I occasionally run into this when sites write and only test their sites for IE. I have the Sun Java runtime installed and working correctly, Firebird works great with 99% of all Java enabled sites I visit. I'd drop an email to Altium and ask them to check out their site with something other than IE. I do keep IE around for the rare instance like this, when I really need the information. But as a rule, if a site won't work with Mozilla/Firebird/Opera it will be the last time I visit it. Call me hard headed, but I don't use IE or Outlook (in any of it's forms) and have no problems with viruses, trojans, etc. MS internet tools are the primary targets of hackers and they have plenty of holes to shoot at. I'm not going to help them any more than I have to. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:42:07 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: If I click on that link from your email it opens fine. The problem I'm having is the list of links after doing a KB search. When I float the cursor over one, it says in the status bar: Click to display the full item When I click on it, the status bar says: javascript:void(0); I have cookies enabled based on privacy setting of medium. I'm not sure exactly what they mean by 'medium.' I also have the enable java box checked in the advanced settings. I then enabled all cookies, closed and reopened Mozilla, and it still doesn't work. I'm running 1.5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: Otherwise the quote upgrade price is about $2500. Lets assume a designers on-cost is between 25 and 50 dollars per hour - 25 to 50 hours of improved productivity will pay for it, one week. So, the question then is how long will I have to be running DXP to get 25 to 50 hours of productivity improvement? That is the real question, not the actual cost. But this is a harder question to answer. I have been a little disingenuous here, I haven't included the learning curve which is significant in one area - queries. Add a few days for that. I think more than just a little disingenuous. I find it extremely difficult to believe that anyone not already familiar with DXP can be as productive as they are with 99SE in a few days. In fact, this was a major factor in my cost analysis of DXP vs. 99SE that led to my decision to not upgrade. That and the fact that even after I go up the learning curve, I haven't seen anything that will make my designs better or happen more quickly or with less errors. I'm a reasonably smart guy having many years (20+) of experience with engineering software in general. I figured more like 1-2 months to come up to speed on DXP and become anywhere near as efficient as I am with 99SE (primary rule of engineering management: engineers are eternal optimists when it comes to time estimates! ;-)). I also figured I'd be spending the first week or two just sorting out how everything works in general. Following the posts on the Yahoo DXP list reinforces this conclusion. I presume you have someone paying for your seat time, i.e. you have an employer that's issuing a paycheck whether your jobs are completed or not and also continues to pay you while you are going up the learning curve with new software. I'm an independent contractor and I don't get paid unless the job gets done, so any time I spend learning new software and struggling with a learning curve are on my dime. This is a significant cost to me -- a week of learning time costs me ~$3000 in billable work. There has to be an awful lot of productivity increase in DXP vs. 99SE to make it a paying proposition for me. Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't seen much in DXP vs. 99SE (at least to this point) that makes a huge difference to designers doing everyday work (schematics and PCB's). Yes, I'm sure that some of the features of DXP are nice to haves and must haves for a few people. But for the masses of us doing basic schematic and PCB design work, I just don't see it -- especially when you take into account the hidden costs, i.e. learning curve, design migration, etc. In the end, my conclusion is that DXP was primarily an artificial direction change by Altium to generate cash sales to please the stockholders and not driven by user demand. I don't believe there are any fundamental flaws with 99SE that couldn't have been fixed, save for the fact they'd be hard pressed to ask $2500-$8000 them. So drop support for an existing (good) product and make a new one that is essentially a forced update if you want any support into the future. I guess Altium figured it works great for Microsoft so they should adopt the method too. In the meantime, I'll be sticking with 99SE and living with the (known) problems it has, just as I'm sticking with Windows 2000 until something better from someone else comes about. I would love to see an SP7 that fixes the majority of existing bugs and would even pay for it. But even if they are not fixed and no SP7 ever emerges, I can't see any reason to upgrade to DXP. Just an opinion of a long time Protel user. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] The going price for P99SE on Ebay
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:16:29 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: ..snip... BTW, $2500 is what I think a brand new full Protel suite should cost (from Protel), not $8000, or $9000, or whatever the heck it is now. Ivan, Funny how a truly open market does that to pricing, isn't it? ;-) Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: nVisage ??!!? Caution - BugBear seems to be going around
Doubtful it's Rick's system (but certainly possible). The BugBear virus takes names and subjects from the infected person's address book and sends it's payload so it *appears* to have come from (in this case) Rick Wilson. Checking the IP address and mail server in the headers will probably reveal it did not, in fact, come from Rick Wilson but someone who had previously received mail from him. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 13:55:01 -0500, Andrew Jenkins wrote: Received same. now is deletia. AFAIK, the PEDA server filters out attachments, so it must have been a direct attack. Rick be warned, Your system appears to be infected. aj On 01:23 PM 11/29/2002 -0500, Phillip Stevens wrote: ---Phil My e-mail program just quarantined an e-mail (It identified BugBear) which said it was from Rick Wilson (probably it's _spoofed_, I haven't tried to validate it). It contained an attachment so it probably came from off-list. Had list topic nVisage ??!!? Be careful what you open. ---Phil * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] virus WAS: What else is under the hood
I have a registered copy of Opera, and while I like it overall it still renders too many IE-centric webpages incorrectly for me. Also, Eudora uses Microsoft's (IE) HTML rendering engine so it will be susceptible to the same script-based security issues that come with it. It's hard to get away from HTML email problems since so many software writers use MS tools and libraries. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:38:32 +0100, Edi Im Hof wrote: Also have a look at Opera www.opera.com . It's fast, fast, fast !!! The security options are also very sophisticated. I still run V6.04, but V7.0 Beta is available now. It has a new e-mail client witch is based on a database. Looks promising. It automatically categorizes and sorts e-mail messages by contact, has an integrated spam filter, and supports POP3, IMAP, and ESMTP. As e-mail client I use Eudora. It's not that clever as IMAP-client, but works. Most e-mail viruses are no concern for me. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] virus WAS: What else is under the hood
Ivan, Mozilla user here too. Actually, I just switched to Phoenix, which is a browser-only branch on the Mozilla tree. Amazingly fast and very stable for a 0.4 release! As far as email goes, you might look at Pegasus Mail or PocoMail (which is what I use). I'm not sure about Pegasus, but I know PocoMail uses it's own HTML engine and *cannot* execute ANY active HTML scripts of any kind. There has never been a script related virus infection reported with PocoMail. PocoMail also lets you turn off any external links in HTML email, so no snoopy spam tracking gets by it either. In fact, I have a couple email accounts that get no spam -- amazing in this day and age. Pegasus Mail is freeware, PocoMail is shareware but reasonably priced. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:18:46 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: If it's the latest gaping security hole in IE (trojan signed ActiveX controls), then I recommend you switch to some other browser, such as Mozilla. I started using Mozilla about 4 months ago and it rocks, I haven't used IE since. Mozilla doesn't do ActiveX, so it is not at risk. I still haven't switched e-mail from OE to Mozilla yet. I tried, but there is a bug in the e-mail import that can't seem to handle 1000's of messages without crashing. I have heard others advocate Eudora for e-mail, but I also heard that Eudora still uses IE to render HTML e-mail (evil!), so the IE security risk would still remain. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] The othe half of DXP?
On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:05:33 +1000, Don Ingram wrote: I was under the impression that this was exactly what a lot of people have been asking for. eg Schematic sans PCB. for $3000? Ouch... Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:ForumAdministrator;TechServInc.com * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum;techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OT - DXP Forums Membership
Ivan, I'm a member of about a dozen Yahoo groups and have gotten *zero* spam because of them (I know because I set up separate email addresses just for Yahoo -- just in case, then I could track it's source). If you do sign up and get a Yahoo ID, make sure your user preferences are set to all opt-out of any Yahoo third party email (this is where I think lots of people go wrong). That will keep you spam-free. As far as harvesting email addresses goes... Yahoo obscures your email address on all web site posts (public view) so that makes harvesting very difficult also. I was really really skeptical of Yahoo groups in the beginning, but unless things change I'm very happy with their privacy policy. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:53:57 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: While it is true that you do have to sign up as a member of Yahoo! Groups, once you have done that you are free to join any of the Yahoo! Groups that have Open Membership. How much spam do I have to sign up for? Seriously, one reason why I like the TechServ list is that AFAIK they don't sell it to spammers. And no one who isn't in the PCB biz is likely to be lurking and harvesting e-mail addresses. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Warning to DXP Users re P99SE files
On Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:22:41 +0200, Wojciech Oborski wrote: ..snip... File extensions assotiation is a Windows thing, not Protel! ICAP/IV (Intusoft's simulation software) we use, has *.dwg extension for it's drawings (schematics), which is also well known extension for Autocad drawings. *.sch extension is used by Protel, our old OrCAD SDT and possibly many other EDA tool I do not use. Others could give you many more examples, for sure. How do you think Protel/Altium could manage this? By asking permission to change the file extension association at install time rather than just doing it! This is what well-behaved Windows applications do. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] converting protel schematic to orcad
Well the Orcad SDT library format is well documented (I still have all the SDT386 manuals even), especially the ASCII format. Someone who is programming inclined could probably whip up a Protel-to-Orcad library translater -- provided they have the Protel library format. This is something I'd be very interested in also. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:17:41 -0400, vincent mail wrote: well i have had good success using the SDT files. on the first try all wires , ports and nets come up correclty. only part that is missing are the symbols themselves. so if there were a way to translate my protel ibrary to orced. this woudl be a one step conversion : save as sdt , open in orcad ( with the library loaded ) and save it to a DSN . done. and my customers would be happy. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] converting protel schematic to orcad
I agree 100% Ivan! I'm a design engineer, not a PCB designer. I bought Protel 2.8, Protel 98 and Protel 99SE (along with all the upgrades along the way) for essentially a schematic seat. I don't do PCB layout, but I convinced my PCB designer to switch to 99SE. I would find the simulator and PLD tools useful but they are barely useable (as many others have commented here) and I now use 3rd party tools for these functions. I occasionally fire up the PCB editor to check PCB designs, make prints or generate CAM files. At $5000 (previous Protel 99SE price) this is kinda pricy... Enter DXP. Raise the price to $8000 and the price is pretty exhorbitant for anyone not doing serious PCB design (especially since it seems the other suite tools not related to PCB have not changed or improved much). I did a quick informal survey of all the electronics companies I deal with or have friends with. I found the ratio of schematic-only to full PCB layout seats to be about 5:1. With a previous employer, we had about 20 design engineers and 3 PCB/mechanical CAD guys. Most all the engineers had the $495 copy of Orcad SDT and the PCB guys used Orcad PCB and another PCB package (the name escapes me). There is no way most companies that size will cough up $8000/seat for full DXP suites. I think a free or at least a low-cost schematic-only package is a really good idea. I'd love to see the Protel format schematic become as ubquitous as the Orcad flavor is now. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:08:23 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: This is exactly the reason Altium should give away the SCH for free - to get the entire industry thinking Protel Schematics, instead of Orcad Schematics. Seed the market with free SCH, and they will probably buy PCB. This would be less work for Altium than writing a translator to export Orcad schematics, since they already have the SCH written - just break it out into a self-contained product. And Altium wouldn't have to worry about Orcad breaking a translator by coming out with a new file format. Altium could probably whip up a free SCH release in a day or two of programmer time. Besides, if DXP is the great and wonderful thing they say it is, it would be a great way to advertise. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Linux and Protel WAS: Spoofed email address
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:45:12 -0400, Matt Daggett wrote: There is always OS-X for you Unix fans. I have found the Darwin Kernel (BSD based) to be very stable... now if they could only get the driver and application support there it'd be great. I'd love it if Apple ported OS-X to the PC platform. Unfortunately, Steve Jobs and Apple are as much control freaks as Microsoft and I can't see them giving up their hardware monopoly to sell more copies of their OS. Also if anyone is thinking about installing Win2K SP3 better real the EULA very closely. I basically gives Bill the ability to remotely install/remove applications/drivers. M$ apparently is on the same path as our govt in playing Big Brother and eliminating our civil rights. Yep. Win2K SP3 won't be going on my systems here either. I've gotten all the SP2 stuff as well as the security patches to date stored away on my server for later use. You are right -- they snuck in a lot of the WinXP terms and language on the SP3 update agreement. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: F636CEDC96D982438E03FF01203A7CCFADBF462C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP Net lists
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:57:05 +0100, John Ross wrote: Is it my imagination or does the net list generator in DXP SCH tools no longer support other vendors formats (PADS PPCB) or a straight wire list? Yikes! I hope this isn't true -- I routinely make a wirelist format netlist for myself to browse to weed out schematic entry mistakes and unintended connections -- the wirelist format makes this a quick and easy task. I also export Tango format netlists back to Tango PCBII for a lot of older designs that need a quick and dirty update. Slowly we are bringing forward old Tango PCB designs to Protel, but it takes significant time and doesn't happen by itself! Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: A78C0341A19ABA419392B28D196CEB3BAD3A6217 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP: Unable to set secondary step Value in Parameter Sweep
And also the one year anniversary of ATS is fast approaching for those who jumped on that bandwagon as it passed by. I suspect this way they (Altium) can say that the first ATS subscribers/suckers/prisoners [insert your favorite colorful noun here] got the first release of DXP (buggy or not) in their first year of ATS. Sheesh... software companies are turning me into a real cynic. :-( Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:23:34 -0400, Joe Sapienza wrote: Tony, You may have a point there because their release also coincided with the release of PADS 5.0 Joe - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] DXP: Unable to set secondary step Value in Parameter Sweep This is pure conjecture, but I have a feeling they got DXP out the door to meet a business requirement, not an engineering requirement. (Hey, if us engineers were in control, we'd probably never ship anything due to feature creep and trying to perfect things, so I can see the money side of those decisions. I would guess they Protel is very active right now at getting out the first service pack ASAP. I bet they timed when the first SP would be released to the time people had the CD in their hands and had a list of complaints about this wide -- * Tracking #: 68253B93CB50574BB756B0281B8AA4734201340C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Upgrade Pricing Ethics WAS: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:35:44 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: ..snip... Sure it's area specific, but I think it's a trend. Corporate mergers make entities closer and closer to monopolies and monopolies usually generate price increases. I think the ATT breakup wasn't a good thing. Even if prices are high, often times good service comes with it. Now prices in telecom are lower, but services suck. The only telecom services that suck around here are local service and that's because it's run by a Baby Bell (SBC), who still basically has a monopoly and runs their business that way. Prices up, service down. Complaining to the state Public Utility Commission is worthless, since their board members are all old ex-telecom (i.e. SBC) guys! My Sprint PCS cell phone service is wonderful. They have every option I could want, keep dropping their prices while adding more services. SBC sure isn't doing that! ..snip... Oh yeah, world view...price of gas in Europe today?? It's still on the rise... The cost to refine gasoline is virtually constant worldwide -- any price differences you see are predominantly TAXES and to a lesser extent transportation costs. Gas in Hawaii: cheaper than California and the HAVE to bring it in by ship! We have a frickin' refinery 10 miles away and I pay more for gas than just about anyone in the USA because I 'can afford it.' BS! I suggest you check into your state gas taxes -- I think you'll find the answer there. As for market forces on software prices, I'm going to do my part. I'm done buying any new Microsoft OS's after Win2K (due to their licensing and privacy policies) and Altium (because of pricing/support/utility -per-dollar issues). So I guess I may only be one person, but I'm voting with my checkbook. In the meantime, I'll keep looking for better alternatives while using what works OK for me. Sure am glad this isn't rented software! ;-) Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: C9E0E04C02F2EA43A4A1F8F01953272268A8D596 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP comment, but slightly off topic
On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 18:32:40 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: if they would just try making some real boards themselves ... A brilliant idea. Someone also commented on Altium opening a small service bureau. Also a great idea. Sitting at a computer and connecting all the pretty lines is not much in the way of experience -- until you actually have to design, layout and manufacture a board many simple concepts are just not readily apparent. I remember reading Lee Iaccoca's autobiography a few years ago. In it, he described going to work at Ford Motor Company as an engineering graduate fresh from college. Ford had a system whereby all new hire engineers were required to work for 6 months (a month each) in all of the major departments of the company before they were allowed to join the engineering group. He credits it for making him a much better executive and I believe it. I know I started my working career as an engineer in a small company. First as an engineering tech, then working my way up project by project -- finally as a full project engineer with considerable responsibilities. I remember working with the PCB layout and mechanical design guys. The marketing guys. The purchasing group. The production line group and test department. And actually meeting with our end customers too! All of those experiences made me a much better engineer than the technical education and experience I had -- I could already do the physical design work -- but getting a good product out the door meant understanding how the whole process works. I think a little practical real world experience would be a good thing for those writing our tools. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: BD343F218B184A4AAAF7EACDEB69D13457CE1B45 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Re[2]: Not DXP or P99SE, but have you seen the Cadence offer!!!!
On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:40:54 +0200, Rene Tschaggelar wrote: My distributor told me yesterday, that ATS was additional to the usual upgradeability. Meaning you can get DXP whenever you want. The price increases with the number of versions you're behind. Same as when you now upgrade a 2.8 to 99SE, which is more expensive than a 98 to a 99SE. Together with DXP you get ATS, whatever this for a year and you don't have to extend it when it expires. That means at a minimum Altium doubled the price of the DXP upgrade from their last major upgrade (Protel98/99 to 99SE), which cost me $995US. I believe I could have possibly had the upgrade for $495US if I had acted sooner, but I wasn't interested at the time. I think the question is -- is there anything NEW in DXP that's really worth $2000? I mean if you find some new features that increase your productivity and make it a good investment for you then by all means, buy it. But for me, I've seen or heard of nothing meaningful (to me) that DXP can do that Protel99SE can't. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: 6633115E52D36C4892087AD6A6088D59B336B8B2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:20:07 -0400, Watnoski, Michael wrote: Greetings all, Another two cents: Protel has been my biggest headache as far as crashes due to upgrades of other programs. I would expect that if Protel needed specific versions of .dlls to run, it should have written them and not used the Microsoft versions that are likely to be updated on a regular basis. I am Actually, they should just put ALL their ancillary config files, required DLL's and such in the Protel owned and created directory. End of problem. Again, not very defensive programming practices. DLL Sharing and extensive use of the Windows Registry looks good in theory, but in practice on a typical Windows system DLL Hell rears it's ugly head in a hurry. With disk space being almost irrelevant these days, there's no excuse to not segregate your program and config files from the rest of the system. Also, uninstalls become as simple as deleting the program's directory. Simple and clean. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: 3A02FAD5548DDA4D84D3D083928F3ED2AD2D5BFC * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:12:18 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: I have only had 1 crash of Protel 99SE in the year or so I've been running it under Win 2K. That day, I had been chopping parts out of a bunch of libraries, and putting them into other libraries, and all sorts of odd things that I don't do very often. Exactly. This is the sort of thing I do a lot and I don't think it's reasonable for Protel to crash simply by cutting and pasting between designs or libraries. My PCB designer tells me a lot of his crashes are caused by copying components between PCB layouts and libraries. Seems to me this is a very common activity for design people to be doing -- I have reused sections of designs regularly since I started using EDA tools and I'm not going to stop now! At the very least, I think if Protel has a problem with something you are trying to copy/paste it ought to catch it BEFORE it crashes and give you some kind of error message (indeed there is really something wrong with the entity you're copying). If the data is bad, why wasn't it found out in the source design you are copying from? Ideally, any weird entity should have been identified and dealt with when it was entered into the design file. This kind of thing is pretty hard to blame on Microsoft or faulty hardware. I got an invalid intruction or such dialog box, closed all the files, and everything was ok. That is the only time I have had a (program) error of any sort since changing to Win 2K. I've seen that too. I've also had several situations where the program would crash just reopening the design after such a crash and never recover. The only solution was to revert to a backup file and create a new part in the library then place it on the schematic. In my experience, Protel often acts flaky once I've had such an error. Shutting down Protel then re-opening it usually clears whatever problem it had. Anytime I get an Exception or Access error from Protel I always close the program and restart it. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: 15D3EC9EB6F41D4782D5C0A25057D0E43F8F383E * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Speaking of Protel Bugs.
Yep, or like any of the various *nix flavors. There's just no reason to expect Windows and other applications to respect your library or config files when placed in common areas. (Do I sound paranoid? ;-) I prefer to think of it as cautious...) Of course, leaving other's library files alone is good library form too. I've started writing all my Windows code in this style, installing all required library files in my own directory and using text-only config files also in my application's directory. Many shareware packages do too -- and guess what? I have less trouble with shareware than any other kind of software. BTW, I'm no big fan of Mac's either but mostly because of their business model/tactics. On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:46:04 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: Like a Mac? :) I dislike Macs for many other reasons, but they have app management down much better than Bill G. * Tracking #: BAF52CD382A14E4B98BDC6B6E8CCAB7AA61E8B6F * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] DXP schematic, any good?
I figured I probably just missed it in my travels through the manual. I usually find these gems while looking for something else... ;-) Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:04:43 +1000, Igor Gmitrovic wrote: Matt, Protel has a bad track in documenting their 'features', but this one is in a Protel 99SE book, page 80, although it is somewhat unclear that the wire is in fact a polyline. And I am sure it is in previous editions' books as well. Igor * Tracking #: 3D17F84E1AD006478DFA47EE5211C3723EB6C5E5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Kudos
On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:40:27 -0700, Brian Sherer wrote: Protel is missing a bet by not offering a stand-alone full-featured Mechanical CAD package based on the 99SE interface. But *Please*, Protel, be sure to maintain full two-way file conversion with all ACAD File Formats ever released! Good luck. There are already lots of good mechanical CAD packages out there. And *none* of them have good ACAD - [insert your favorite CAD package here] file conversion. Autocad (purposely) makes sure it's a moving and non-documented target with each new release. I'd much rather Protel spent their time doing the business they are in -- making the best PCB design entry and layout tools possible for the lowest price possible. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: CB75C87FC6469C41A0FF92D2D9F6CD70D16876D8 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] pdf output
On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:48:40 -0600, Westfeldt, Pat wrote: When I loaded Acrobat 5, it only loaded distiller as a printer, which in other applications has been fine. I got Protel 99SE to work a little better with distiller, by forcing open the pdf and saving as, before I went on to print the next one. That's how I have my Distiller print driver setup also. I like to look at the final output (margins, page size, etc.) when printing and also be able to save the file as whatever name I like. As I recall, the Protel print file output name is the same for every print and somewhat generic (unlike most Windows apps), so renaming the file is almost a must. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: 932D804BB40DC549A55C3E3E3F026099A2D885F9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Anybody plagued by Protel executable corruptions recen tly? FIXED!
Brad, What was the fix? I get corrupt .cfg files all the time if I exit Protel with any ddb's open. Maybe there's some correlation? If I close all the ddb's before I exit Protel, it never corrupts the .cfg files. (and yes, I keep a clean copy of all my .cfg files tucked away so I don't have to reset all my defaults by hand. Uggh.) Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:29:35 -0700, Brad Velander wrote: Dennis or the others with suggestions, solved the problem, it wasn't a corrupted install as I expected from my previous problems a week or so ago. It was a corrupt .cfg file. And of course the .cfg file contains the configuration information for annotate and BOMs. In all fairness to Protel NA Tech support, I actually got directly to a person this afternoon not once but twice. Possibly things are improving at the Tech Support end, we will have to see. Anyway, Lori came up with the fix in short order. Thanks Lori! * Tracking #: 12C198ED5AD7284D8E2F0C1BC6875388DB416F47 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Anybody plagued by Protel executable corruptions recen tly? FIXED!
In my c:\WINNT directory (where Protel put them ;)) Actually there's only one .cfg file -- Client99SE.cfg -- I actually meant all the config files in general. Based on the time stamps, it looks like Protel writes a new Client99SE.rcs, Client99SE.raf, Client99SE.ndr, Client99SE.ini and Client99SE.cfg file on exit. It also appears to write the .ini and .dft of any servers you have open on exit also (in my case AdvSch99SE). What I see when Protel bombs is that the Client99SE.ini or .cfg (or both) files get trashed. Protel pops up an Exception Error message and when you look at the .ini file, it's truncated. It sometimes also trashes one of the other server .ini files. It's strange and repeatable on several different systems, mine and my PCB designer's (at a different location). It occurs with Win2K SP2 (which we both run) or Win98SE. It always crashes when the status message about writing the configuration file is in the status bar as Protel is shutting down. The crazy thing is if I close all the ddb files before I exit, it NEVER crashes. I also don't get any crashes with the same ddb's doing everyday schematic or PCB work on them. Very strange. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:52:21 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: where exactly are these cfg files you refer to ? inside your DDB with the file name of the schematic? Dennis Saputelli Matt Pobursky wrote: Brad, What was the fix? I get corrupt .cfg files all the time if I exit Protel with any ddb's open. Maybe there's some correlation? If I close all the ddb's before I exit Protel, it never corrupts the .cfg files. (and yes, I keep a clean copy of all my .cfg files tucked away so I don't have to reset all my defaults by hand. Uggh.) Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:29:35 -0700, Brad Velander wrote: Dennis or the others with suggestions, solved the problem, it wasn't a corrupted install as I expected from my previous problems a week or so ago. It was a corrupt .cfg file. And of course the .cfg file contains the configuration information for annotate and BOMs. In all fairness to Protel NA Tech support, I actually got directly to a person this afternoon not once but twice. Possibly things are improving at the Tech Support end, we will have to see. Anyway, Lori came up with the fix in short order. Thanks Lori! * Tracking #: 2E532EEDAC20D840AFF623600A5133EC2303FA31 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] ATS - don't do it! (was restore defaults...)
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:18:04 +1000 (EST), DUTTON Phil wrote: I have used Protel to produce schematics and design boards for many years and find it an excellent and fair priced tool for the intended job. You really consider $8000US a fair priced tool for a package where schematic capture and PCB layout (mostly) work, the other modules have serious limitations or defects and you get almost no tech support or updates/bug fixes? H... where can I find a bunch of customers like you? (occasional faults and problems along the way) I'm hoping that DXP will be a further improvement on 99SE, keeping all the features that make it intuitive to use and hopefully a better router, without adding glitzy bells and whistles to make it look more expensive. I feel that the majority of Protel's current customers would agree. I too am somewhat cautious about jumping into the next version, especially if any of the changes that you are suggesting come to fruition. We (my PCB designer and myself) are staying with what we've got now until or unless Altium shows us something that adds real functionality or improves our productivity. Unless that happens, Protel 99SE will be the last purchases we make from Altium. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: A2A351F056703D48A925C14F5DD5AAB3E30F98C8 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Acrobat 5 on Schematics
I agree. I gave up on PDF Writer long ago and use Distiller exclusively now too. You have much more control over output options and the overall quality of the pdf file seems better. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:36:16 -0700, Dwight Harm wrote: FWIW, we've generally found Acrobat Distiller to be more reliable/accurate than PDF Writer when handling graphics, both from Protel other apps. * Tracking #: 874D27AEB19A0A4B82EA82AFA8382067480F5C53 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] PPC to word insertion
Mike, I use Adobe Acrobat 4 with Win2K SP2 and it works fine for Protel schematics for me. Are you using the original 4.0x version? Adobe had a free upgrade to 4.05a that fixed some bugs and I think the problems with Protel may have been caught in the fix. I do know after visiting Adobe's website, I had to call Adobe to get them to send me a new CDROM. The upgrade is not available online as a download, since it's a complete new install CD. It was a small hassle, but the CDROM was free. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:49:06 -0700, mike ingle wrote: I reccomend adobe acrobat for pcb files. However, version 4 on w2000 sp2 does not work on sch files. For those I use efax. For low cost if you subsribe to efax, you can use their prit driver/display software to export to tiff or jpeg. Does anyone know if acrobat 5 works with sch files? Mike * Tracking #: 5B80B3FDC2B1F34D9DA8D4AB89C23457B28AC6FA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] XP (was DXP)
A virus scanner interfering with file writes is certainly a possibility, but in my case it's definitely not the answer. Protel99SE trashes the ini file (gets an exception error while writing the ini files, actually) on program exit with any ddb still open. This happens fairly predictably, about 50% of the time. It's consistent across multiple PC's and locations -- my PC designer's system does the same thing. It happens in Windows 2000 or Win98 too. I've tried disabling my virus scanner and even uninstalling it completely. I've had it happen on fresh installs of Protel with virgin ini files. There's definitely a problem with Protel somewhere. No other software on my system exhibits such odd behaviour. Moral of the story: Always shutdown all ddb's first, before exiting Protel. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:12:54 +0100, Ian Middleton wrote: Have you got a virus scanner active. I have seen a misinstalled virus checker play havoc with Protels .ini files, leaving them blank, incomplete and just plain missing. Upgrading to the latest version of checker fixed all the Protel problems. * Tracking #: 7911383504B26F4D9DCC8FD6DD17CA84F82ACBF1 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] OS bugs WAS: Problems with schematic annotate function.
Tony, I'm a Powerbasic user and I can tell you they are a GREAT company. The reason they added the #BLOAT function was that some programmers using their compiler were actually getting complaints from clients when submitting code that was 1/10 the size and 10x the performance of code generated by the big guys bloatware basic compiler. The clients thought they were getting ripped off! If you think about it, most people are used to getting a CDROM full of code just to install relatively modest Windows apps -- imagine getting a full featured application on a floppy disk after you're used to that. It just goes to show where the expectations of so-called IT professionals are these days... After switching from VB to Powerbasic, I was astonished to see complete applications that compiled to 250K .exe files vs. several MB for the equivalent VB code. Execution speed was 10-15x faster and the PB programs were a single .exe file! BTW, the #BLOAT function does not slow the code down in any way -- it just pads the .exe file with useless filler for those so inclined to judge software by the pound ;-) Oh yeah, what Ivan said goes for me too. I'm an embedded developer also and pretty much share his views on the subject. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems P.S. If you'd be interested in seeing the size and performance of PB, I've got some graphics demo apps that are pretty impressive I could send you. On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:08:17 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: Damn! I emailed the company and asked... oh see for yourself: Because we're proud of it. Regards, Tim At 09:20 AM 7/8/02 -0700, you wrote: Why in the world would you add this, much less call it a feature? #BLOAT nexp allows the programmer to create a bloated target program, one which is artificially increased in size to match or exceed that generated by some BloatWare compilers. They are proud to add to the problem. GREAT!!! I think I'll stay away from THAT company. Tony * Tracking #: 3A6FDC164B97614FB01ACFDEB345B41C606C1D80 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Anyone know of a Altera listserver? and Single/Dual CPU
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:29:02 -0400, Brian Guralnick wrote: (I have yet to receive junk mail after signing up at google groups, unlike yahoo, which overflowed my email box with hundreds of adds.) I'm in about a dozen Yahoo! groups for the past couple years. I haven't got a single piece of SPAM from them (and I know because I assign a different email address to every email listserver I'm on...) Did you ever change the default user profile settings? The reason I ask is that they recently revamped/changed/modified/molested their servers and reset everyone's privacy settings to accept 3rd party email (i.e. SPAM). I made sure to change all SPAM settings to off right away. Still no SPAM to any of my Yahoo! email aliases. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: E78370BD64BE5C408D808CCCA76622F378426DB0 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tracking Number
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:29:47 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: It seems to me the EU solution shifts most of the costs of enforcement onto the ISPs. They have to pay for the archival storage to comply with the law. The U.S. solution puts the costs of storage on the government. So I guess the U.S. solution is better, perhaps? Or maybe not better, just less bad? Either way the end user pays for a solution that sounds nice but, as you described, just serves to hassle the innocent and doesn't address the real problem. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * Tracking #: 8FACA445C52B8F40BDAB5BD5B6966D5AEF03E4D2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] unused QFP pins
On Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:51:55 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: BTW, i think i am pretty good at IMHO AFAIK etc. etc. but what the fk is TANSTAAFL ? i must have missed that one in BBS school IIRC... TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch ;-) Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] startup window
On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:05 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote: If the entry doesn't exist you should add it to the [System Preferences] section In very Protel-like fashion, my client99se.ini file doesn't have the entry. If I add it (yes, with Protel closed and not running), Protel promptly removes it when exiting the program. Go figure... Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] recovering data
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:26:27 +0200, Rene Tschaggelar wrote: Is there a recommended software that does backup based on disk copy operations, no need for zipping. I hate tapes, they are no up to the job. The software should find the differences. Meaning find changed files. Don't fail on open files ? Doesn't have to do open files though. Strictly no database orientation, meaning not copying into one big blob, but simple directory-directory copying with some auto -naming ? Rene, There are lots of ways to do what you want. On my own small office network, I backup ALL files on all workstations (5 total) every day. I also keep a mirror of my server data drive that contains my essential data (financial, design files, office documents) as well. I backup the network workstations to a removeable 60GB IDE hard drive using NovaBack software. I have a daily rotation of drives and every week one drive goes offsite for safe storage. It's set up to run automatically in the wee hours of the morning. I also do an hourly mirror of any changed files on my server's primary data drive to another physical drive in the server using a simple command line batch file. With large IDE drives being so cheap, they are much faster than tape and the cost is very reasonable. I can never lose more than a week's data, even if the place burns to the ground. It also makes any one system failure very easy to recover from, as well as any oops moments that happen. I can retrieve a mistakenly overwritten or deleted file from the previous day's backup in a matter of a minute or two. using my same strategy, you could have your design files backed up as often as you like, only saving changed files so that you have a running backup of your work on a physically separate drive. BTW, I'm running Win2K on my server and most of my workstations, with a couple running Win98 for legacy software and testing. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] recovering data
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:16:20 -0400, Mike Reagan wrote: Rene, I have attached a zip drive to every computer I use. They are cheap, 100- 150 US.I back every file I worked on, libs, ddbs, docs. everything at the end of the day. I have had several drives crash over the past few years. The only data I lost was the first time, after that I learned my lesson. Back up every day. Three times a year I archive all my files onto a CD for permanent file keeping. Mike Reagan EDSI Frederick MD The only problem with Zip drives or CD's is that they have pretty limited storage capacity. They are also not the most reliable of media, but they are fine for short term project data backups. Nowadays, with the low cost of hard drives it makes sense to me to install an extra drive in your system or on a server for nothing but backup purposes. It's nice not having to worry about whether you'll have the backup space to store off any and all files you even think you *might* need someday. It's cheap insurance and peace of mind. BTW, I had a client whose facility burnt to the ground a few years back. They called me and asked what project related files and drawings (schematic, PCB, mechanical drawings, firmware, etc.) I still might have for a project I had done for them several years previous. Since I was already using this kind of backup strategy, I had archived virtually the entire project (less their own internal documents) and had them back up and running in a matter of a couple days. Needless to say, they were extremely grateful! Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] recovering data
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:46:49 -0700, Dennis Saputelli wrote: i just got a tape drive IDE internal b4 you trash tape this one is pretty cool IDE 30/60gig Tapeware software runs in background and makes an incremental b/u every night unattended every version of every file is on there and it is very fast pretty easy to retrieve I didn't mean to trash tapes. In fact, I ran a 12/24GB DAT backup system before I switched to hard drives. Tape drive systems become a real PITA when you can't fit all your backup data on one tape though. Once that happens, you start getting lax about backups and that's bad. Any backup is better than none at all. with the hard drive method its hard to get all the old versions sometimes the older backup is the better one My backup software works the same for tapes, CD's, or hard drives. You can do incremental or full backups, over write or not. It's up to you how you want to manage your backups. Mine stretch over a 14 backup set, so I usually can go back about 2 weeks to any file on any workstation. in pc mag a columnist recommends the new USB external hard drives about $250 for 20+G hard to beat Yes, the external removeable drives are nice. I'm looking at converting my main backup system to removeable drives and individual carriers on a USB 2.0 or Firewire link. using a second internal hard drive on the same box is not a great idea i've seen more than one total box meltdown take out both drives Agreed. I would never a second drive as my primary backup, however it is a good way to do automated incremental snapshots, say hourly, of your work in progress. It can all happen transparently for the most part and is just another part of an overall backup strategy. I still have my daily full workstation network backups that happen independently on my server system. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] recovering data
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:59:05 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: It will be interesting to see how long the drive works reliably before it starts having read errors. In my experience with QIC and Ditto drives, after a while the tape drives have too many read errors. Even after cleaning the heads, they still have problems. I had the same troubles with QIC drives. Never a problem with DAT. DAT drives are expensive, but the tapes are cheap and the recording method very reliable. I agree about the version issue. Why doesn't someone write good (and cheap) backup software for non-tape media? The same thing could be done for hard drives, CD-R/RW, networked storage, etc. Look at NovaBack. It does pretty much all you are asking for (it's why I use it too, I have similar needs) and is reasonably priced. The only caveat I can tell you about is that it cannot backup more than a 8GB backup dataset. Their tech support claims this is a limitation of Windows, but I'm not sure about that. To get around it, you just need to break the backup job into smaller parts (which is easy to do). I've found the software to be robust and bug free. I've never had their scheduler crash or do anything weird. http://www.no-panic.com/backup/n_backup.html No, I don't work for Novastor or have any affiliation with them. But I've tried a zillion different backup packages and this one has worked the best for me. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] FW: Access violation -- Is it a Protel bug?
On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:07:39 -0700, Tony Karavidas wrote: Was it your motherboard? ;) What hardware component did you delete Lew -- Yes, please elaborate. Telling us exactly what the problem was and how you fixed it might help some other list member in the future. It might also be seen by Altium personnel trolling the list... ;-) Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Importing Pads to Protel
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:21:33 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Those look like OrCAD files to me. .dsn would be a Capture file, the schematic. .opj, I don't know, but an .opj file often accompanies Capture files, as I recall. Protel imports Capture v. 9, earlier versions usually fail as I recall. But anyone with Capture 9 can import v. 7 and write it out. Protel99SE will import Orcad 7.2 schematic files just fine -- I have done it a couple dozen times now. I have maybe 200+ Orcad SDT386 (DOS) legacy schematic files I periodically have to bring forward to Protel. The procedure I use is to import them into Orcad 7.2, then open (as Orcad .dsn file) in Protel. Clean them up and save in my Protel design. The schematics generally need lots of aesthetic cleanup, but the connectivity has been very accurate for me. Certainly less time consuming than redrawing the entire schematic. I haven't tried Orcad 9.x, as it's still sitting in it's box unopened. I became an Orcad ex-user when they dongled the program at V9.something and instituted fairly large price hikes and an upgrade/maintenance plan not unlike Altium's ATS. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Camtastic installation
I don't believe so. I tried it once a few months ago on a new machine with no Protel instal (yet) and it gave me an error dialog box stating No valid installation of Protel99SE found (or something to that effect). Closing the error box exited the installation. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:25:17 -0500, Michael Reagan wrote: Does anyone know if Camtastic will install as a stand alone product ( not using the lic number from the pcb product) We wish to install a seat of it on our production manager's computer so he can inspect paste files. We have about 5 seats of Camtastic and only three are being used with designers. Mike Reagan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tango Schematic into Protel
On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:31:24 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: But I'll have to do the Tango portion on another computer (writing the ASCII), I've been unable to run Tango under W2000 so far. I've got a couple of W98 systems lying about, this is a good reason to keep one of them with that OS. Abd, Please keep us posted if you manage to get Tango DOS running under Win2K. I've been trying to do the same thing myself (as well as my PCB designer). We're really trying to purge Win98 from our systems and this is the last legacy application remaining! I'll let you know if I come up with any solutions as well. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] autosave saves unchanged files - bug?
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:25:24 -0800, Dwight wrote: A related discussion reminded me of this -- a very annoying feature of autosave is that it saves all open documents, whether or not they've been changed. So although you can set it to keep multiple backups, if you leave your design open while doing something else, you may find you have several identical autosaved copies of all your open documents. It even autosaves docs opened read-only! This (a) reduces the usefulness of autosave; (b) lengthens the time of each autosave, which (c) increases the disruption of one's work/concentration. I agree. In fact, I believe Protel should never autosave any file unless it's been changed. I quit using Autosave because of this. I routinely have 20+ page schematics and other design documents open and actually rely to some extent on the file time/date stamp to track my work. I never save a file unless I know I've changed something or Protel prods me that I've made a change and do I want to save it? Not such a big deal for me, I have gotten into the habit of using 'Alt-F-S' after every little operation I perform (sort of a mental breakpoint anyway). But it's still an annoyance. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Nvidia graphics card users
Tony, What version of Windows are you running? I'm wondering if Nvidia has cracked the Win2K dual monitor/dual resolution thing or if it just works with Win9x/WinXP (like everyone else but Matrox). I've got a Geforce2 GTS card with dual head outputs I'd love to use with Win2K and dual monitors. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:53:19 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: OMG!!! I went to Andrew's video card source (www.evga.com) and noticed their Geforce2MX drivers were newer than my card's site (www.gainward.com) I downloaded them and crossed my fingers. nVIEW was in there and it ROCKS I can now have different refresh rates for my Sony21 and my 17 LCD. The LCD only seems to be sharp at 60HZ, and on my Sony, I get a headache at that rate!) I don't have dialog boxes pop up between the two monitors anymore!! Woo hoo!! And I swear the fonts are a little sharper! Everyone that has a Gainward card should give it a shot!! Tony * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] News on TASKING tools
Yes, received it last night here in the central U.S. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:51:57 +0100, Ralf Gütlein wrote: I got a message from Altium today stating that the shipment of the TASKING tools will be within the next 3 weeks. The delay was justified with required changes to ensure that your bonus TASKING tools can be installed using your Protel or P -CAD access code. Was this message sent worldwide? Regards, Ralf . ) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Is this normal???
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:55:15 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 01:17 AM 1/26/2002 +1100, Graeme Zimmer wrote: All our machines run Win2K with oodles of resources. Running more than one copy of Protel at a time is guaranteed to crash any of our machines. Note that Mr. Zimmer also experiences problems when he closes Protel with a project open (which should not cause any problem at all.) Something is out of whack; since it happens on more than one machine, I can certainly understand why he thinks this is normal behavior for Protel. It isn't. What the problem *is*, I certainly don't know. Is this a floating license? I have this same problem and have had for several installations, back at least two service packs and on several systems running both Win2K and Win98SE. I'm running P99SE SP6 and not using a floating license. My PCB designer also has the same problem on his system with either Win98 or Win2K also, running the same software versions. My current system was built the last week of December -- a Soyo Dragon+ motherboard with an Athlon XP 1600+, 1GB PC2100 DDR, Matrox G400 running Win2K SP2. Interestingly, I've not had a single hiccup with anything on the system, never an OS crash, BSOD or even another program crash (which is amazing, even for Win2K) other than shutting down P99SE with a project still open. The system is totally stable running P99SE, but still has the occasional annoying crash on exit. It's a memory access violation that's quite consistent. I personally suspect a memory pointer problem as Protel is closing the database and whatever other temporary file buffers it has open, the status bar always shows that Protel is writing the ini file when it crashes. I've never lost any data, but it's annoying because when I re-open Protel I have to reload the project I was working on when the crash occured (it seems to lose the current project information, probably as a result of an incomplete write to the ini file or some portion of it). I've had at least 3 clean installs of Protel99SE on each OS and on different systems. I first thought that my Antivirus software was causing the problem after reading about other user's similar problems on the list. I tried turning off realtime scanning of ini files which reduced the problem somewhat, but didn't eliminate it. I also tried turning off the virus scanner completely for a few days but still had the crash on exit occasionally -- so I'm not convinced the virus scanner has anything to do with the problem. I think it's a real bug, one that shows up on some people's systems and not on others. Whatever it is, it consistently happens for me on all my systems. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Schematic PCB viewer
If you are asking if there is a stand-alone viewer application (that you might send clients, for example) the answer is no. However, you can request a demo CD of Protel 99SE from Altium and that can be used to view your files. It will be a limited function version (I'm not sure of the limitations though). The way I distribute files from Protel for customer viewing is make pdf files directly from Protel using Adobe Acrobat. The customer can then view and print them, but not manipulate any design data. If the customer actually needs to manipulate data, export data, etc. -- then your only other choice is really for the customer to purchase Protel99SE. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:27:10 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Protel 99SE have a viewer to view schematics and the PCB? Thanks, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted from Association web site by: Mark Mainland * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] License number not accepted
I used the 9 digit license number (not the 16 digit activation code) and company name and it worked fine for me. The Fax I received from Protel with my registration information is dated May 28, 1999. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:18:26 +, Andrew Ircha wrote: I've tried entering my Protel 99SE license number (purchased before 1 Oct 2001) and this link doesn't work. My local Protel distributor was under the impression this was for ATS members only. Would anyone care to email the Protel 99SE training manual to me? Andrew Ircha * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Good Dual head video card combination for Protel.
On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:41:13 -0500, Brian Guralnick wrote: Here are some answers: 2. With Matrox being the exception, being that the dual head output is very high quality on both video outputs, 2 video cards should work fine. Matrox G400DH will limit the resolution on the second monitor to 1280x1024 while the first main monitor will go up to 2048x1536 at the same time. Also, with Matrox, the speed of refresh while scrolling windows is matched on both screens. The 2 video card which I have set up in Win2K and tested together offer the ability to have 2048x1536 on both screens simultaneously. The difference here is that the second monitor with the PCI video card refreshed a bit slower than the AGP card. I've only noticed the difference when dragging large desktop windows from 1 screen over to the other. I really didn't notice any performance drop with Protel. (Note: In the past, some have found problems with ATI cards Protel. This is with ATI AGP cards. These bugs do not show up with my new ATI XPERT 128 Win2K.) Brian, I'm getting ready to test a brand-spanking-new ATI Radeon 8500. Since I'm currently using a Matrox G400 MAX, it sets a pretty high benchmark I think. I'm using Win2K SP2, a 21 primary display (1600 x 1200) and a 17 secondary display (1280 x 1024). I've heard very good things about the dual display output of the Radeon 8500. I'm hopeful that the drivers play nicely in Win2K with all my CAD applications, including Protel. I'm anxious to see how the ATI/Appian Hydravision dual head control software works. The demos I've seen look very nice, but... if not, I'll just stick with the G400. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Altium Total Support Brochure
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:02:23 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Any comments on the level of support others have gotten? I've called once and emailed a few times. The call was to inquire whether Protel could do something I could do in Orcad or a similar workaround in Protel98 (this was a few years ago). The answer I got was essentially No, Protel can't do that and no satisfactory workaround. They didn't seem particularly interested in solving my problem and I'm not sure if my indirect feature request was ever noted. On the other hand, after I joined this list I did find a workaround for my problem from the excellent information here. My emails all seem to disappear into the same black hole yours do, Jon. I haven't tried to contact tech support for over a year. I now would only use Protel Tech Support as a last resort if I could not get the answer here on the PEDA list. My own opinion is that Protel is treating the product like shrink-wrap software in terms of actual service delivered, but trying to sell the service as professional level software. You can't have it both ways, although a lot of companies seem to be trying these days. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Tasking offer
I was able to log in and sign up with no trouble. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:45:27 +0100, Rene Tschaggelar wrote: I got this Tasking offer, but wasn't able to log in. My protel representative promised to solve the problem, but I didn't hear anything since. Is it just me ? Rene * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Licence's
On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:02:58 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'm getting a bad feeling about all this, I'm afraid. Abd, You are an eternal optimist re: Protel (Altium)... ;-) I was wondering when you'd say this as it was my first reaction to the initial ATS announcement. I've been down this road at least a half dozen times with other EDA and software development tool companies. So far Altium is proceeding according to the script so many tool companies seem to follow. I came to Protel from Orcad. At one time (especially back in the DOS SDT days) they had a huge number of design seats. There support was incredible -- call them up, talk to a real engineer, maybe even one of the programmers and get a bug fix in a day or two. Then they went public, hired professional managers and alienated a lot of customers with similar tactics that Altium is now introducing via ATS/price increases. Of course, being bought by Cadence didn't help matters either. The number one gripe I heard from Orcad users was What the heck am I paying maintenance for -- I didn't get any version updates and they didn't fix the bugs!. That's my biggest fear with ATS -- that we'll be paying for version updates and bug fixes and never get them -- after all, they will already have our money and can/will promise the next release is just around the corner. So far I've not been impressed with the past performance concerning bug fixes and version updates. I suspect a lot of Protel98 and Protel99(SE) sales came from Orcad converts who felt abused by Orcad (like I did). If Protel thinks it won't happen to them, well... Back to work, keeping a low profile and waiting to see how this all shakes out. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Fonts and Registry Access
I've tried this repeated times and Protel always rewrites the ini file when it closes and removes the offending line... :-( Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 08:33:21 +1300, Brendon Slade wrote: Something that came up on this forum a wee while ago speeds the startup by not showing the splashscreen. Get out your scalpel and open up Client99SE.INI, found in C:\WINNT (if you're running NT, otherwise you'll have to hunt it down). In the section labelled: [System Preferences] insert the following text on a new line: DisplaySplashScreen=False It makes a bit of a difference. HTH Brendon. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel Fonts and Registry Access
On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:37:58 +1100, Robert Mitchell wrote: He possibly had Protel running when he edited the file. Protel will then change the .ini file back when closing. Nope, had Protel shutdown and edited it with my favorite programming editor. I also tried booting from a DOS disk and editing it with edit.com too! Strange thing, first time I run Protel after I edit the ini file, it kills the splash screen -- as expected. But if I shut down Protel and open it again -- viola! the splash screen is back and the ini file has the DisplaySplashScreen=False line removed. Very strange stuff... Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Windows XP
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:28:32 -0500, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Someone at Microsoft has obviously figured out how much money they are losing because people install their OS on more than one computer. Of course, I won't buy XP with that system unless I am absolutely forced to, and it has not yet come to that, so it is not clear to me that, if others are like me, they will actually make more money, they may make less, but this is what bean counters can do to a software company. I would have bought XP before now if not for the activation issue. I change hardware very often, and I might want to get one computer running before I shut down the old one or change its OS. And it gets much worse... Microsoft is now requiring users to have a Passport Account to use more of their programs and services. Passport requires certain personal information (although I'm reasonably sure you could enter bogus data) -- but the fact is they are getting more intrusive and when you read the licensing information for WinXP and Passport you realize you have agreed to an open-ended arrangement whereby Microsoft can do pretty much whatever they want with the information and change the terms of their agreement at any time. They are setting users up for an escalating cost subscription service and people are blindly buying into it because it's Microsoft's latest and greatest. Once you sign on the dotted line (or press the Accept button), you can't go back! MSN Messenger is an oft quoted program that requires a Passport Account, but it goes beyond that. Did you know for instance that to receive free email tech support from Microsoft you now must sign on with a Passport Account? I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but I am trusting Microsoft less and less as time goes by. I really do wonder what kinds of spyware and other back doors they may have in hidden away Windows XP? My solution to this will be to use Win2K as long as humanly possible. I'm sure I'll have to install at least one copy of WinXP for software testing purposes at some point in time, but I don't see myself using it as an everyday OS. It really doesn't do much more than Win2K and Win2K has already proven itself to be robust and stable. That's my last (and only) WinXP rant. Back to work here. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: I just made a big screwup
Thanks for the kind words. I was not too concerned about looking foolish, I KNEW I had a virus and it appeared at the same time I opened the schematic file in question. I did not understand how it happened, but wanted to warn the rest of the list members *just in case* there was some new delivery method I was unaware of. I also knew that quite a few people would be viewing the previous night's email as they got into the office for the day (here in the U.S.). I was hoping to prevent a nasty surprise for others, should the schematic attachment have turned out to be the method by which it was delivered. I'm still not sure how I got the trojan and it's odd that it appeared in the same directory as my email attachments. That file was the only email attachment I've received in several days. Hmmm... the mystery continues. You can never be too careful. It pays to watch what your computer does very carefully, and of course have a proactive virus and firewall protection system in place -- especially for those with 24/7 internet connections. There are lots of bad guys out there. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:01:10 -0800, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 08:43 AM 2/13/01 -0600, Matt Pobursky wrote: Again, my sincere apologies for the false alarm. Actually, I am grateful, both for the warning and for the retraction. Viruses are very serious business, and it is better to take the risk of looking foolish than to wait until one is absolutely certain. In my case, Mr. Pobursky's message prompted me to get off my duff and reinstall ZoneAlarm, which had been a casualty of a system crash a while back and I hadn't gotten a Round Tuit. I was pretty suspicious that a virus could be transmitted in a .sch file, but when I read the warning, I immediately shut down my Internet connection and installed Zone Alarm. So, Mr. Pobursky, this was a false alarm, but sometimes a false alarm can raise our awareness. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax P.O. Box 690 El Verano, CA 95433 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: I just made a big screwup
My apologies to the members of the list, and especially to Andrew Jenkins. It appears that the trojan I picked up must have come from elsewhere. I have tried reopening the schematic file in question and cannot repeat being infected. It must have been a coincidence that the trojan showed itself at the moment I opened the schematic. I run a fairly secure system here with a hardware and software firewall. I also run active virus checking on every executable file written to my system. It's hard (but not impossible) for someone to have deposited a trojan on my system. It also may have been here, but dormant, for some time. It could have activated itself or something I did at the time may have activated it as well. Again, my sincere apologies for the false alarm. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:22:00 -0600, Matt Pobursky wrote: Andrew, I hope it really WAS just a screwup and nothing malicious. Just for grins, I went ahead and opened the schematic file on an isolated machine and found that it delivered a nifty little trojan... I just got done cleaning my system and documenting what I found along the way. It did appear to be benign, but was a little disturbing nonetheless. It appeared to deliver a phone home type trojan as it places an application in the system startup (and a few other places) that attempts to go out to the 'net. (Thanks ZoneAlarm!) It kind of smelled like a DDOS client to me. Any comments? Anyone else on the list who might open this file by mistake and want details of what I found -- please feel free to contact me directly. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Don't Tread On Me! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: having W2k installed, can I run...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:05:10 -0800, Andrew W. Riley III wrote: snip... Will W2k tolerate dual screen-setup with totally independed screen-settings? Yes. At home I use NVidia's GeForce2 MX (a dual-port w/TV-out) running a 20 Silicon Graphics @ 1152x864 and a 15 Magitronics @ 800x600, both at High Color (16-bit)... checking e-mail while watching a route is great eye-candy for me. Will this really work? All of the dual head video card sites I've checked (Matrox and ATI) say that Win2K limits the 2nd display to the same resolution and color depth as the primary monitor. They SPECIFICALLY say it's a Win2K limitation and not a driver limitation. I am running a Matrox G400 MAX 32MB Dualhead card on a Viewsonic 21 (1600x1200 32bpp) and 17(1280x1024 32bpp) with Win98SE because of this. I would LOVE to switch to Win2K as my primary OS if I don't have to give up dual monitor support. Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This message sent by: PROTEL EDA USERS MAILING LIST * * Use the reply command in your email program to * respond to this message. * * To unsubscribe from this mailing list use the form at * the Association web site. You will need to give the same * email address you originally used to subscribe (do not * give an alias unless it was used to subscribe). * * Visit http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * to unsubscribe or to subscribe a new email address. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To leave the EDAFORUM discussion list, send a email with 'leave edaforum' in the body to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' More Information : http://www.dolist.net
Re: [PEDA] [PROTEL EDA USERS]: Ohh, happy day,FULL DUAL HEAD under Win2K!
Brian, What steps did go through to setup your monitors? I can't seem to get any different display modes with the V5.51 G400 drivers in Win2K than I could with previous versions. I still get one virtual desktop, split equally between each monitor. My only choice is to slit horizontally or vertically. I double checked the driver version and I am indeed running V5.51. Thanks for any information you can provide! Matt Pobursky Maximum Performance Systems On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 00:28:55 -0500, Brian Guralnick wrote: Ohh, happy day, FINALLY FULL DUAL HEAD under Win2K! The new Matrox G400 drivers for Win2K. Version 5.51 support different resolutions on both screens of Win2K!. Get them at Matrox.com... I'm now running my left screen at 2048x1536 my right screen at 1280x1024 giving me an effective horizontal resolution of 3228... So much for the theory of Win2K's maximum raster size of 2560x1024... _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
