Re: RFC-Headers
Tuesday, February 1, 2022, 8:00:49 PM, Thomas wrote: TM> I could not find another way to show the headers in TB!. Any hints? CTRL-SHIFT-K -- Sam mailto:norma...@mynormallife.com Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to see the whole email on the screen
Friday, January 29, 2021, 5:19:59 PM, Jack wrote: JSL> Hello Maggie, JSL> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 you wrote: MM>> Hi Jack, MM>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 11:48:52 AM you wrote: JSL>>> I think I need someone to define the purpose of the cut mark because I thought JSL>>> it was to automatically eliminate everything below the cut mark (including the JSL>>> cut mark) when replying. MM>> This was also my understanding. I wonder if the insertion of MM>> another cut mark by the particular virus checker after the sig MM>> prevents operation of the cut mark inserted by you in your MM>> template from working as designed? JSL> Thank you Maggie, I never even noticed that the antivirus was inserting it's own JSL> cut mark. Unfortunately, after spending a lot of time, but finally finding how to JSL> eliminate it, my cut mark still doesn't work. I've sent myself messages both JSL> from TB and from my Gmail account and each time when I reply to them the cut JSL> mark and anything below it remains in the reply. So I have to abandon the quest JSL> for a solution until well, I don't know when. If it helps any, when I reply to your email, the cut mark appears to work as expected. -- Sam mailto:norma...@mynormallife.com Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP folders don't match account
Sunday, December 6, 2020, 3:51:23 AM, Acheton wrote: A> Hi Sam, A> Sunday, December 6, 2020, 8:39:00 AM, you wrote: >> Saturday, December 5, 2020, 4:41:32 PM, acheton2020 wrote: a>>> Thanks for the reply, I have checked the Gmail settings and all of the folders are set to appear in IMAP but do not do so in TB. If I view the list of IMAP folder in another mail client (like Postbox), I can see the full list of folders. This makes me think that it is a TB config issue or bug. Is there anything else i can try? >> Just to be clear we're talking about the same thing, this is not a setting >> in Gmail, this is in TB!. Go to the Account menu -> IMAP Commands -> Manage >> IMAP Folders. In that dialog, you need to subscribe to the remote folders >> you want to see in TB!. A> Thanks, I do understand this, but bear in mind that there is a setting on the gmail side which controls which folders / labels appear via IMAP (see attached). Looking at the image you attached, what are you expecting to see in TB! from the Gmail side? I've never tried using IMAP with Gmail, but I don't think think "Starred" and "Snoozed" are folders, they're just Gmail filters. I'm not sure if those specifically will show up in TB!. -- Sam mailto:norma...@mynormallife.com Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP folders don't match account
Saturday, December 5, 2020, 4:41:32 PM, acheton2020 wrote: a> Thanks for the reply, I have checked the Gmail settings and all of the folders are set to appear in IMAP but do not do so in TB. If I view the list of IMAP folder in another mail client (like Postbox), I can see the full list of folders. This makes me think that it is a TB config issue or bug. Is there anything else i can try? Just to be clear we're talking about the same thing, this is not a setting in Gmail, this is in TB!. Go to the Account menu -> IMAP Commands -> Manage IMAP Folders. In that dialog, you need to subscribe to the remote folders you want to see in TB!. -- Sam mailto:norma...@mynormallife.com Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hiding accounts in Account Tree
Saturday, September 8, 2018, 8:44:33 AM, MFPA wrote: M> On Friday 7 September 2018 at 12:53:39 AM, in M> , Sam Brown wrote:- >> how can I tell >> TB! which accounts to display and which to hide from >> the Account Tree? M> You can delete the accounts you don't want shown. TB! gives you the M> choice to leave the account files on disk, so that you could later M> re-add the account and still have the old messages and folders. So my "solution" was shut down TB!, move the directories for the accounts I didn't want to be loaded into some other directory, then followed Adrian's suggestion: 3. Open the Registry editor via "Start -> Run -> regedit -> OK" (press Windows+R to invoke "Run") and under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\...\ rename "RIT" into "RIT_1". And then started up TB!. I had to go through that quick set up sequence, but the accounts I didn't want to load are not loaded and, so far, no duplicate accounts. It's not the most ideal approach, but it is effective, so I'll take it. Thanks for the help everyone! -Sam Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Hiding accounts in Account Tree
Getting set up on a new computer, I copied my mail directory over from the old machine to the new machine. I saw when I started up TB! for the first time on the new machine that it asked which accounts to use, but I didn't see a way to multi-select or remove accounts from that list, so when it started up, it just listed all of the accounts I have on disk in the Account Tree. So now how can I tell TB! which accounts to display and which to hide from the Account Tree? As an aside to that, for some reason, it also has one of my accounts listed four times in the Account Tree. All with the same message counts. Is there also a way to fix that? Thanks! -- Sam mailto:norma...@mynormallife.com Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Hiding accounts in Account Tree
Getting set up on a new computer, I copied my mail directory over from the old machine to the new machine. I saw when I started up TB! for the first time on the new machine that it asked which accounts to use, but I didn't see a way to multi-select or remove accounts from that list, so when it started up, it just listed all of the accounts I have on disk in the Account Tree. So now how can I tell TB! which accounts to display and which to hide from the Account Tree? As an aside to that, for some reason, it also has one of my accounts listed four times in the Account Tree. All with the same message counts. Is there also a way to fix that? Thanks! -- Sam mailto:norma...@mynormallife.com Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ad source mystery
Sunday, November 19, 2017, 6:27:16 PM, Jack wrote: JSL> I'm beginning to get a glimmer of how all this works and if I'm understanding it JSL> correctly couldn't the original HTML text file have come from Kim Komando? JSL> Couldn't she be including the ad text in the HTML she sends out rather than it JSL> coming from Charter? The ads seem to appear only in anything from Kim Komando. I JSL> subscribed to several of her newsletters and the ads appear in all of the JSL> newsletters. JSL> I wrote a less than laudatory snail mail letter to Kim Komando expressing my JSL> disgust at being assumed to have only an elementary school education with a room JSL> temperature IQ. I asked if there was a way to prevent these ads from appearing JSL> on my screen but never received a reply, email or otherwise. This does not speak JSL> well for the Komando machine. JSL> While I have your attention, do you have any idea who Anton Belenki is and why JSL> he might be sending me the URL to his website in response to my original query? That was why I asked the question. I figured if it were just these specific newsletters, you would have pointed that out, but I wanted to check in case you were able to see a pattern. I am much more comfortable thinking it's these particular newsletters over Charter inserting ads, though that is something email hosts can do. I would expect them to show ads in the webmail client, not the emails themselves. Hopefully you can unsubscribe, or maybe just send all those Kim Komando newsletters to junk. -Sam Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ad source mystery
Sunday, November 19, 2017, 12:47:27 PM, Jack wrote: JSL> So, the question is: where do these ads come from since they appear only if I JSL> click on the Chrome icon contained in the message? My assumption is that they're JSL> somehow inserted by TB!, but how? Has my copy of TB! been hacked? If so, why are JSL> all the ads sponsored by POWERINBOX? Coincidence? Has anyone else experienced JSL> this? Do you see these ads on every email that comes from Charter or only certain emails (like those from these newsletters)? Just trying to get a little more information, but what I suspect is this has nothing to do with TB!. When you are clicking that Chrome icon you are opening the html that was sent from your ISP in Chrome. So if you're seeing it there, it's because that's what was sent to you. I believe Charter is using this POWERINBOX service to serve you ads. What they show in the Charter webmail client can be different from what they send to you when you POP the email. -Sam Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Transfer TB
Saturday, January 14, 2017, 9:38:48 PM, Rick wrote: >>>> Copy your mail directory to somewhere where you can restore from. >>>> Run this and change the path to where you want it to go and rename >>>> it to something that makes sense for you as this example would put >>>> "test.reg" in the "C:\test". i put mine in the mail directory >>>> regedit /e c:\test\test.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT >>> Thank you! >> This works only if you have the same directory structure and disk >> names. R> ??? How so? I have my mail directory on my E:\ drive. You have to R> adjust the path of the REG file that was in my example, but then it works >> Another way is to use the internal backup function (under Tools) and >> create a .tbk file. Move this file to a removable disk. >> I have done this a couple of times. R> That is the ideal way if the TBK file doesn't go corrupt which I R> have had happen several times. I personally don't trust it but you R> are correct - that is the best way to do it I don't trust the backup function either. If there's any corruption in the backup file, you lose everything. Just copy the mail directory from one computer to the other using whatever works for you (external drive, USB stick, cloud drive) and then copy it down to the new computer wherever you like. Install TB! on the new machine and once you've started it up, go to Preferences and then System and set the Mail directory to wherever you copied the mail directory to. It takes time to copy everything, of course, but it's unlikely anything will go wrong. -- -Sam Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error message
Saturday, July 30, 2016, 10:31:02 AM, Jack wrote: JSL> Curious, I did a search for my addressbook file. I found two that matched (sort JSL> of) the file in question. One was C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\The JSL> Bat!\ADDRBOOK.INI and the other was C:\Program Files (x86)\The JSL> Bat!\jackADDRBOOK.INI. The most recent write to either file was the latter, JSL> today, so I assume that's the working file. The last write to the former was way JSL> back in Aug of 2015 so I don't think that's a valid file. I remember trying to JSL> learn more about the address books some time ago and that file may have been one JSL> I created in my learning quest. So much for cleaning up after yourself. JSL> As a test, just now I changed the name of the JSL> C:\Users\Jack\AppData\Roaming\The JSL> Bat!\ADDRBOOK.INI file and then opened the address book while in TB!, made some JSL> changes and then closed the address book without any difficulty. So, that, coupled JSL> with the ancient write date leads me to believe that that file is not part of JSL> the working TB! So here's what I recommend, close TB!. Copy the ADDRBOOK.INI from its location in Program Files to the location in AppData. Open TB!. Open the Address Book. In the Address Book window, select the File menu, then select Load Address Book Set... Browse to the location of the ADDRBOOK.INI in the AppData location (the one that you just copied, so it should be up to date) and load that Address Book. Hopefully now, TB! will continue to load that Address Book and you shouldn't have any problems with write permissions. JSL> So you would be correct in your assumption that my address book is housed in the JSL> Program Files (x86) folder where apparently you need administrator privileges to JSL> write to that file. But, I'm now sure that it has always been in that folder and JSL> yet I've never needed administrator privileges prior to upgrading to Win 10. JSL> Thank you so much Mr. Gates. I believe the escelated privileges on the Program Files folders was added in Windows 8. Personally, I consider this a good thing, Program Files should only contain the files necessary to run applications. Data for an application should be stored in the Registry or in the current user's "home" directory. This is a very similar set up to the *nix operating systems. The added benefit is, when backing data up, you should only have to worry about backing up your user's home directory. Good luck! -Sam Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error message
Thursday, July 28, 2016, 11:20:06 AM, Jack wrote: JSL> Well I finally made the leap to Win 10 before the cutoff date for the free JSL> upgrade (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) and it seems to have gone ok. Except - JSL> Whenever I try to close TB I get an error message which states: JSL> Cannot open file "C:\Program Files (x86)/The Bat!/jackADDRESSBOOK.INI JSL> Anyone else experience this after going to Windows 10, and if so, what can be JSL> done about it? The only other hiccup I've seen is that the Windows information JSL> macros no longer work as you can see from my sig. I'm not positive, but I'm guessing this is a permissions issue. The Program Files directories require special permissions to write into. If you click on your account in the tree in TB!, the pane that usually shows your email listing by folder will now show your acocunt settings. It'll list Program Mail Directory and Account Home Directory with Edit links on the far right. I think if change the Program Mail Directory to %APPDATA%\The Bat!\ that will point it to C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\The Bat!\. Once you've copied all your mail folders over to this directory, you can point your Account Home Directory(ies) appropriately. Of course, back everything up before attempting this. I'm just pulling this from memory, so if anyone else can confirm or fix what I've suggested...? Good luck! -Sam Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts
Sunday, June 5, 2016, 1:33:13 PM, Marck wrote: F>> "X Server reports error. The response is: Authentication required" MP> I think I said quite early on that the failure here is authentication MP> mid:336247396.20160602113...@silverstones.com - nothing to do with MP> SSL/STARTTLS/Certificates. Have you toggled the "Require secure MP> authentication" option? I'm going to agree with Marck, the error messages people have posted seem to indicate a problem with authentication, not connection. The reason another client like Thunderbird might work is that it likely uses different default values than TB!. So maybe look at the Thunderbird settings and see what options are selected with regards to authentication and try to reproduce those in TB!. -Sam Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts
Sunday, June 5, 2016, 6:04:23 AM, Harald wrote: >> On 6/4/2016 Harald Faber wrote: HF>>> This situation is not amusing. Is Ritlabs informed about this issue in HF>>> the meantime? >> Notice my version of TB... I have had this problem intermittently >> starting in version 4 of TB. In my most recent experience before I moved >> my domain to a VPS only my sub-domains worked. My primary domain did not >> work. Moving my domain to a VPS fixed the SMTP problem. How can this be >> a Ritlabs problem??? HF> If it works with Thunderbird and does not work with TheBat - what could HF> be the reason? The Hoster? Don't think so. HF> Is there anybody out there not having this problem? With which TheBat HF> Version? HF> TBH I am not willing to bite that dust and blame my Email provider when HF> other Email clients have no problem. Especially with a commercial product. There are a number of things that can go wrong, and it's typically a problem with the hosting provider. I don't recall you saying you had upgraded TB! or changed any settings, in fact, you said "starting Tuesday evening, for no apparent reason, I cannot SEND mail from the accounts with the private domains" so that tells me something changed somewhere else. Ocassionally, I do have issues with my provider, either because they're having system issues (hardware issues, a patch that went bad, problem with their network connection, etc.) or they changed settings on their systems such that the way I've been sending and receiving email no longer works. The former they will usually communicate through their status site or in the support section, the latter I usually just have to work out on my own (though I could probably contact support if needed). So yes, things can suddenly stop working, but it's rarely a problem with a client, particularly if nothing changed about the client. I don't know how 1&1 works, so I'll use my own hosting provider as an example. When it comes to sending and receiving mail, I can do it through an address like: mail.somehost.com for both SMTP and POP3. Because this is shared hosting, I can also go to my exact server, myserver.mail.somehost.com and that seems to make things work a little more smoothly when it comes to secure connections. Protocols and ports: -Send mail- Connection: "Secure to dedicated port (TLS)" Port: 465 Authentication: "Perform SMTP Authentication", "Same user/password as for Mail Retrieval" -Receive mail- Username: (I provide) Password: (I provide) Connection: "Secure to dedicated port (TLS)" Port: 995 Authentication: "Regular" When I send a message, it looks like this(blocking out some information): 6/5/2016, 12:10:24: SEND - sending mail message(s) - 1 message(s) in queue 6/5/2016, 12:10:24: SEND - Connecting to SMTP server xxx.mail.xxx.com on port 465 6/5/2016, 12:10:24: SEND - Initiating TLS handshake >6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - Certificate S/N: 0950C56EAE11C0D923512B87F3C96DFC, >algorithm: RSA (4096 bits), issued from 1/25/2012 to 1/24/2017 11:59:59 PM, >for 2 host(s): *.mail.xxx.com, mail.xxx.com. >6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - Owner: "US", "92821", "California", "xxx", "xxx >Rd", "xxx Web Hosting", "admins", "Provided by xxx Network, LLC", "xxx Premium >Wildcard SSL", "*.mail.xxx.com". >6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - Issuer: "US", "XXX CERTIFICATION AUTHORITY", "XXX >SSL CA". Valid from 3/4/2009 to 5/30/2020 10:48:38 AM. >6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - Root: "US", "UT", "Salt Lake City", "The USERTRUST >Network", "http://www.usertrust.com;, "UTN-USERFirst-Hardware". Valid from >7/9/1999 6:10:42 PM to 7/9/2019 6:19:22 PM. 6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - TLS handshake complete 6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - connected to SMTP server 6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - authenticating (login)... 6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - sending message to x...@gmail.com <6/5/2016, 12:10:25: SEND - message to x...@gmail.com sent (425 bytes) 6/5/2016, 12:10:26: SEND - connection finished - 1 message(s) sent So you should see information on the secure connection and just check to make sure all the certificates are valid. I'm not saying this will work for you, it's going to depend on what your provider's systems accept, but there are other options and if their support can't seem to help, then you might just have to play with a lot of different settings to find a working combination. Be sure to check the log when testing any changes, while not as detailed as I'd like, it should give you a general idea where the connection is failing. Good luck! -Sam Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with S P A M
Saturday, February 20, 2016, 2:35:54 PM, Jack wrote: JSL> Hello TBUDL'ers, JSL> Well apparently I've finally downloaded and installed the correct AntispamSniper JSL> thanks to everybody who helped with this. I now have an ASS toolbar where there JSL> wasn't one before. That's a good sign. JSL> I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to work however. I used JSL> Dispatch-mail-on-server to get the server to download one of the offending JSL> emails and when it arrived I selected it and clicked on MARK AS JUNK in the ASS JSL> toolbar. The email disappeared but DID NOT go into my JUNK folder as I thought it JSL> would. When I mark junk it goes to a folder called "Junk mail". I'm not sure how that gets created or how the routing goes. JSL> Thinking that marking the email as junk would set a flag for ASS, I downloaded JSL> another from the same sender and it simply appeared in my inbox as normal. I JSL> expected ASS to catch the email and automatically move it to the JUNK folder JSL> before it ever got to the inbox JSL> I'm obviously missing something about how ASS is supposed to work. You have to train the filters. I don't think there's an exact figure, but it might be a hundred messages or so before you start seeing somewhat consistent filtering. Just continue marking spam and check the junk folder and mark false positives as not junk. Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with S P A M
Thursday, February 18, 2016, 10:38:16 AM, Jack wrote: JSL> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 you wrote: FW>> Did you download the right version for your OS? There is a 32- and a 64-bit FW>> version and your error description is the one I had when using the wrong version. JSL> Well,START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM shows I'm running Windows 7 on a 64 bit machine JSL> and I downloaded sniper-mui-3.3.2.5_x64.exe so, yeah I guess. SB What version of The BAT! are you running, though? JSL>>> Version 6.0.12. Would that make a difference? SB>> Sorry, I should have been more specific, are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit SB>> version of TB? It shows in the About dialog, looks like: Version 6.8.2 (64-bit) JSL> Hmmm, interesting question for which I do not have an interesting answer. JSL> HELP/ABOUT merely shows the version number (6.0.12) and the .msi file gives no JSL> indication. JSL> I recall recently (within the past year) upgrading to this version and I surely JSL> would have chosen the 64 bit as this is a 64 bit machine. JSL> Any other way to tell? I believe if it were the 64-bit version it would say. Also, the installation file would look something like this: thebat_64_6-8-2.msi So I expect that's the problem you're running into. Looking at the archive of available downloads, there isn't a 64-bit version of TB! till 6.8.8 (at least available for download). So, you could download that version, or you could download the 32-bit version of AntiSpamSniper. Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with S P A M
Wednesday, February 17, 2016, 9:59:37 AM, Jack wrote: JSL> Hello Sam, JSL> On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 you wrote: SB>> Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 8:47:14 AM, Jack wrote: FW>>>> Am 16. Februar 2016 00:32:47 MEZ, schrieb "Jack S. LaRosa" <jlar...@charter.net>: >>>>>Alas, I seem to have some sort of problem with the plug-in. When I try >>>>>to >>>>>install it, TB! reports "Could not initialize the plug-in. It either >>>>>has some >>>>>internal problems or it cannot be qualified as a plug-in." FW>>>> Did you download the right version for your OS? There is a 32- and a 64-bit FW>>>> version and your error description is the one I had when using the wrong version. JSL>>> Well,START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM shows I'm running Windows 7 on a 64 bit machine JSL>>> and I downloaded sniper-mui-3.3.2.5_x64.exe so, yeah I guess. SB>> What version of The BAT! are you running, though? JSL> Version 6.0.12. Would that make a difference? Sorry, I should have been more specific, are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit version of TB? It shows in the About dialog, looks like: Version 6.8.2 (64-bit) Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with S P A M
Tuesday, February 16, 2016, 8:47:14 AM, Jack wrote: FW>> Am 16. Februar 2016 00:32:47 MEZ, schrieb "Jack S. LaRosa": >>>Alas, I seem to have some sort of problem with the plug-in. When I try >>>to >>>install it, TB! reports "Could not initialize the plug-in. It either >>>has some >>>internal problems or it cannot be qualified as a plug-in." FW>> Did you download the right version for your OS? There is a 32- and a 64-bit FW>> version and your error description is the one I had when using the wrong version. JSL> Well,START/CONTROL PANEL/SYSTEM shows I'm running Windows 7 on a 64 bit machine JSL> and I downloaded sniper-mui-3.3.2.5_x64.exe so, yeah I guess. What version of The BAT! are you running, though? Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to a new computer
Pulling this slightly off topic... Friday, September 26, 2014, 9:31:51 AM, Adrian wrote: AG As for %email, it did actually point to the same place as Options, AG Preferences in The Bat. This surprised me as no matter how many times AG I set The Bat as default mail program, clicking on mailto on AG websites opens compose message in Eudora (if it is running) and AG starts Eudora if it isn't. This may happen for other people who have AG more than one email client installed eg. Outlook or Thunderbird as AG well as The Bat. What happens when you click a mailto link in a web browser is going to depend on the browser you're using. Internet Explorer will use the Windows settings for file/protocol associations. I think Chrome shares those settings as well. Firefox, however, has its own independent settings that you have to configure in the browser (under the Applications tab in Settings). I assume setting the file associations in TB! sets itself up in the Windows file associations, but I wouldn't necessarily trust that's working. You should manually inspect that list to make sure things are configured as you expect. -- Sam mailto:norma...@mynormallife.com Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Deleting address history
Saturday, March 16, 2013, 6:05:12 AM, MAU wrote: How can I delete addresses offered on the address drop down when addressing a new email? According to TBUDL archove, I should simply select the address and hit the Delete key. This doesn't work for me. M Once you get the drop-down, use the down arrow key to 'enter' the list M and then use the up or down arrow keys to scroll through it. When you M get to the address you want to delete, just hit Delete. This has always M worked here. That does work if you're in the double-arrow dropdown list, but it does not work on the dropdown menu that appears when you start typing in the field, which I think is what everyone is referring to when they are asking this question. -- Sam Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgrading to win 8 questions
On 2012-11-29 15:56, Rick wrote: Thanks for the reply! Is there any downside to operating on the same mail folder as long as we are not both accessing it at the same time? I would REALLY hate to split her stuff off (This suggestion comes from my experience with Win7, so I don't know what the directory structure looks like for Win8, but I'm thinking you can probably find the proper analogs.) I think the important detail has to do with where you put the mail folder in the filesystem. If you put it in an %APPDATA% directory or in a Documents directory (under one of the user accounts) then the other user won't be able to access that directory. Therefore, you will probably have to put the mail folder at the filesystem root or in some directory that is outside the /Users directory and not in /Program Files (x86) or any other access protected directory. __ -Sam Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: adding account to two computers
On 06.07.2012 03:13, Achdut18 wrote: We use two computers for The Bat in our home office. Each pc has an identical account list. Each downloads mail independently from the same servers. I recently added a new mail account to the list of accounts on one computer. I attempted to add this same account to the other pc by copying and pasting the account folder from one pc to the other using windows explorer. However, when I opened up The Bat on the second pc, the new account does not show up. When I am trying to restore an account I copy the directory as you do, but I still have to create the account through the usual flow. Then I point that account's directory to the directory that was copied to the machine and everything should be loaded. __ -Sam Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Put message in Outbox
From: Ian A. White r...@thebat.net Even so, the mere fact that a message is in an Outbox should not mean that it is automatically sent unless it has been scheduled to be sent, or because the user has done a send queued mail in that account. I have had to resort to setting a delay of 999 days, 99 hours and 59 minutes as this is the longest delay possible. So I'd better watch out if I leave a message there for just short of 3 years. I wanted to set it to the next century, but this is all I can do. This is kind of a workaround that I know we shouldn't have to resort to, but the best way to prevent a message in the outbox (in any email client) from being sent automatically is to not provide the To address until you actually intend on sending it. This is just something I do naturally so there's no chance of me accidentally sending something until I absolutely know I want to send it. -- -Sam Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Put message in Outbox
Thursday, May 26, 2011, 5:30:36 PM, Ian wrote: IAW On Thursday, May 26, 2011, at 11:44:28 PM, you (Dwight Corrin) wrote: DC On Thursday, May 26, 2011, 8:15:11 AM, Ian A. White wrote: DC Even so, the mere fact that a message is in an Outbox should not mean that it is automatically sent unless it has been scheduled to be sent, or because the user has done a send queued mail in that account. DC 'Put message in outbox' has always resulted in the message being sent as DC far back as I remember. IAW Yes, but only if you had automatic timed sending of queued mail. I IAW have never had The Bat! set to automatically send queued mail. As such IAW prior to the version that introduced postponed sending, I could (and IAW regularly did) have a message that I put in the outbox for days before IAW I did a send of queued mail. Just a couple notes. First, the suggestion I made earlier that you simply not fill in the To: field is faulty since you can't put a message into the Outbox without filling in the To: field. Second, I think I know how this works. I had to wait till I got home to verify, because I pretty much always have something hanging around in the Outbox (for whatever reason). Right now I'm using version 5.0.8, but I think this has worked since the 1.x versions because it's just how I've always configured it. Basically, I do not have automatic send/receive turned on. I retrieve and send everything explicitly, nothing happens automatically. I have messages set to be sent immediately. Therefore, when I put something into the Outbox using the Put message into the outbox button, it never gets sent. Seems a little counterintuitive, but I think the logic is, if you click send, it goes immediately. If you put it in the outbox, it never goes out until you click send. I hope that is a useful data point! -- -Sam Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Gmail problems
From: Leonard S. Berkowitz berkowit...@gmail.com I have been having e-mail to several Gmail users. I wonder whether other folks have been having this problem and whether anyone knows what can be done about this? You didn't say what the problem is. -- -Sam Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12 corrupts saved drafts
Friday, May 6, 2011, 10:06:12 PM, Gary wrote: GO Create an HTML email (with images and various text styles). GO Save it. Close it. Open it. What you see is garbage, GO though the underlying message still is okay if you print it. GO Just checked 5.0.12. Same corruption. GO The drafts in the Outbox that existed from an earlier version turned to garbage GO (HTML with images and various font stylings). I just tested this in 5.0.8 and everything seems fine. The part you aren't specific about is what type of save you did. I did Save as draft and I think Dwight did as well. When I tried a simple Save As I think the message got saved out as flat text with no markup, which isn't unexpected. GO Software testing requires testing various scenarios Dwight. If you have no idea GO of what I did, then your literacy skills are in question. Since this seems like it might be an issue on your end, it'll require a lot more testing of those various scenarios you mention. GO I'm reporting a warning of a consistent problem. I'm not GO expecting the people on this mailing list to GO fix it. Then you're probably sending it to the wrong place. It might be better to post to the Bug tracker where developers will actually see it. https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/my_view_page.php Good luck! -Sam Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: is v.4.2.42 truncated urls in the body?
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:11:04 -0400 GMT (30/Mar/11, 22:11 PM +0700 GMT), CDIsxm wrote: C My incoming messages have partially truncated URLs in C the body. I can grab the mail off the server in Horde and it not C altered, but when I download it to TB is scrambles parts of the C link. I turned off AV and it makes no difference. This is surprising, as it is a strength of TB! that URLs are not scrambled and broken when longer than a line. However, I haven't received a long link with a 4.2.x version, so something might be broken. If it's not a confidential link, could you post it here? This is what it should look like: http://info216259.myorderbox.com/linkhandler/servlet/ConfirmRfaServlet?rfaid=2849736type=DomTrfRegToUsparticipant_name=AdminContactparticipant_emailaddress=info/@cdi-sxm.comdomainname=handismart.orgresponse=ykey=598290147requestfor=DomTrfRegToUsrvid=4457'http://info216259.myorderbox.com/linkhandler/servlet/ConfirmRfaServlet?rfaid=2849736type=DomTrfRegToUsparticipant_name=AdminContactparticipant_emailaddress=info/@cdi-sxm.comdomainname=handismart.orgresponse=ykey=598290147requestfor=DomTrfRegToUsrvid=4457 7 This is what TB receives even with AV disabled: http://info216259.myorderbox.com/linkhandler/servlet/ConfirmRfaServlet?rfaid=2849736type=DomTrfRegToUs?icipant_name=AdminContact?icipant_emailaddress=i...@cdi-sxm.comdomainname=handismart.orgresponse=ykey=598290147requestfor=DomTrfRegToUsrvid=4457 7 This looks correct to me.What you're seeing there is the same URL twice, the first is probably within brackets (though the first isn't shown here), but it's clearly breaking the URL at the close ' which should be correct. A problem I am seeing is that it appears to be converting the substring part into ? which is bad because the question mark character is supposed to separate the URL from parameters and now you have multiple question mark characters in the URL string. Like David said, this could be a problem with the encoding. You could also put some blame on the site that generated that URL, $part; is an HTML entity and shouldn't appear in a URL unless it is expected to be converted to the appropriate character. -- -Sam Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Known bug?
- Original Message From: Jernej Simončič jernej.listso...@ena.si If the source says something like a href=http://www.example.com/foo?bar=ym=baz; that's illegal HTML, and the result is not surprising. All characters in HTML must be written as amp;. If a bare appears in source, different HTML parsers will do different things - some will remove and all alphanumeric characters following it, others will just remove the , some will leave as-is and some will try to interpret the entity even though it's missing the finishing ; (which is what seems to be happening in your case). None of these behaviours should be relied on. That's accurate except in this case. The reason the character shouldn't be used in HTML is because it's a key element in the parsing of URLs (the character separates parameters in the URL). So in this case, where the character is actually in a URL, that is a perfectly appropriate usage of the character as it is separating the key value pairs bar=y and m=baz. Loek, this could be a more complicated issue. I'm not clear on whether this is an issue with TB! or with IE (I'd be much more inclined to believe it's IE). You say it works in plain text, but fails in HTML, but only if the destination browser is IE? If you copy the URL from the HTML email and paste it into the location bar of different browsers (Firefox, Chrome, IE) what happens? My initial thought is that it has something to do with the encoding and possibly the settings in your OS. Some rigorous testing would need to be done to narrow down where exactly the issue is occurring. -Sam -- Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Broken Image Rendering
I am using TB! 4.2.42 and have noticed in this version (but I'm not sure if only this version) that the rendering of some images seems to be broken. I took the following screenshot to demonstrate: http://www.morepeggers.com/img/TB_image_rendering.jpg Sometimes the image shows, but then scrolling corrupts the image. Sometimes the images never fully resolves and just come in as black boxes and then gets worse when I scroll. Sometimes they come in just fine, but develop the horizontal lines when I scroll (like on the first yellow button or the second Deal 2 preview image). I don't really expect there's a fix until another release comes around, but I wanted to at least confirm I'm not the only one to see this. Thanks, -Sam Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Broken Image Rendering
MP This issue is reported in the BugTraq as a flaw in the current beta MP version. MP https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8323 Thanks Marck. Kind of a disturbing revelation that a bug or regression in the 4.x version has made it forward into the 5.x branch. -Sam Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Image display problems
Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 5:46:22 PM, Jack wrote: I received an email which has several pictures embedded in it. Actually, for unknown reasons, the first picture is an attachment and shows up in the side pane as such. The remainder of the pictures are actually embedded in the body of the email. I think you are talking about images that are linked, not embedded. The first image you refer to is embedded, the rest are linked. This same email when sent to my Gmail account readily displays ALL of the pictures assuming I click on the DISPLAY IMAGES BELOW which is contained in the IMAGES ARE NOT DISPLAYED box. GMail displays all the images because it's being viewed inside a browser, which obviously is designed to show all linked images. R I get this a lot in Yahoo groups. There is one image that can be R viewed. Open the index.html and they SHOULD all be visible except the R one that was visible in the message. If so, the issue is external R links in the email R The fix is for Ritlabs to add a button to show external links in this R email That is what the URL Manager does, essentially, just with higher security in that it allows you to selectively allow or block images linked to external sources. JSL Hmmm, interesting. While viewing the email in TB I have two icons in JSL the left pane: MESSAGE.HTML and ATT1.JPG; the ATT1.JPG being JSL the sole image viewable from within TB. If I double-click on the JSL MESSAGE.HTML icon it causes my browser (FireFox) to be launched and JSL lo, all the images appear *except* the ATT1.JPG image just as you JSL describe. Never thought to try this with previous problematic emails JSL from this person. Because a browser shows linked images. JSL Has this been brought to RIT Labs attention? JSL Thank you Rick. I'll try this on the next message I have trouble with JSL from this person. In the sense that there's a button right there on the email to display the URL Manager... Look for the button that shows a globe with a question mark in the lower right corner. -- Sam mailto:freejack_in...@yahoo.com Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Image display problems
Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 9:30:53 PM, Rick wrote: On Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 7:33:48 PM, Sam Brown wrote: In the sense that there's a button right there on the email to display the URL Manager... Look for the button that shows a globe with a question mark in the lower right corner. right. there is no bug here R If you have inline images, they show. IF you click INDEX.HTML and open R the email in a browser, the images do NOT show. (red x) R No bug here? The images are not shown by default unless you explicitly allow images to be downloaded from a source. If the images are attached to the email, they show. That is because they are attached. If the images are referenced (linked/sourced) in the email, they will not show until you give TB! permission to show them. This is a security feature of TB!. If you are opening the html component of the email in a browser and images also do not show there, well, that's a more complicated issue, but it also proves the issue is NOT with TB! and is instead a problem with the email or the images the email is linking to. -- Sam mailto:freejack_in...@yahoo.com Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Image display problems
Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 9:46:54 PM, Rick wrote: R We're talking about 2 different things. I am talking about images R included with the email that show in the email in the bat, but not R when the same email is loaded in a browser. That would be because the images are attached to the email. Loading the index.html only involves that file, images attached to the email won't show up in the html file because the references won't be valid. This isn't a bug with TB!, that's just how html emails work. -- Sam mailto:freejack_in...@yahoo.com Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and Windows 7 UAC
M It's a pity there is no option to store most of the settings in an M .ini file instead of the registry. Yes indeed. It is possible in Voyager, why not in The Bat!? So that people will buy Voyager? :p -- -Sam Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! and Windows 7 UAC
Otherwise what else should I try to not get such annoyed prompt? I am not blaming TB! features. It seems to me, though, that there are so many information to customize that I might be puzzled. When you get that UAC popup, you can click the little arrow for more details. In there, you can Allow... that program access. I don't have access to a Win7 machine right now, but I think it looks something like this: http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/norton_uac_08_sm.png -- -Sam Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB on dual boot WinXP/7?
S How do I go about synchronizing the XP and 7 TB S installations? Or is it possible to access the S XP installation of TB from within Win7? S I'm not a tech savvy user, but can usually manage S to follow instructions! ;) You should have no problems pointing to a message base on another partition. I even managed to run TB! on a WinXP virtual machine, running in Linux, pointing back to a Windows partition. To do this, under preferences, select the System option on the left and at the top you should see Mail Directory. From there you should be able to select the directory where you are storing your message base. Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB on dual boot WinXP/7?
Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 7:29:41 PM, Susanne wrote: S And I have to admit never having tried IMAP S before with TB, but would it be the better choice (for a S gmail account)? I've never heard anything especially good about IMAP support in TB!, so I've never tried it myself. I'm sure others could provide more meaning feedback on that point. -- Sam mailto:freejack_in...@yahoo.com Current version is 4.2.12.4 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Automatic Folder Cleaning
A feature that I actually like in Outlook is the ability to assign different cleanup parameters to different folders. For example, some automated process to delete any messages in a particular folder that are more than a week old. Is there any way to do something like this in TB!? -- Sam mailto:freejack_in...@yahoo.com Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New email address, same account
- Original Message From: usman x sandini...@shaw.ca I've had the same email address for quite a few years but am thinking of getting a new one. My question is: is it possible to have emails from 2 different email addresses go into the same account? Wouldn't you just just change the email address being checked in the account properties? That doesn't necessarily have to impact anything else about the account, as far as I can remember. I believe I've been using the same account (actually, a composite of several accounts) spanned over several address changes. I just keep pointing them all back to the same folders from way back and things seem pretty solid. __ -Sam Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving messages?
S What I'm looking for is a bulk way of saving S several hundred messages as txt files in a windows S folder. Select all the messages you want to save in the message listing, then select Save As from the Message menu or press Alt+F5. This will save all of the selected messages to a single file in the destination of your choice as TXT and it seems to include all the important information and none of the extra unnecessary stuff. -- -Sam Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New, Reply Format
Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 10:44:55 PM, Tim wrote: TH My e-mails are half plain text and HTML. Do you know how to change TH this? I have toggled these settings till I'm blue in the face and TH still can't get it to work. I think what you're looking for is answered in this response from a couple weeks ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg95520.html -- Sam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New, Reply Format
Tuesday, February 19, 2008, 11:51:25 PM, Tim wrote: TH For instance, if I click on create a new message, Hello , is in plain TH text and my salutation and e-mail address are in HTML and my TH salutation is grayed out. Based on Thomas' explanation, that sounds like the expected behavior. The plain text and rich text editors are now merged. Be default, the signature is in rich text, which you could change, if you like, by creating a new editor profile as Thomas explains in his post. TH I see what you are saying and my settings are regular text with TH courier font which I haven't changed. All I know is that now I have TH plain text and html with every email I compose and every reply. This TH is extremely annoying indeed. Keep in mind, I don't believe you are actually sending both HTML and plain text in a single message. I believe the message type that gets sent is based on your editor preferences, but what gets rendered in the text editor/viewer will be based on the profile you currently have selected. What's rendered locally and what is actually sent out should be distinct (if my understanding is correct). -- Sam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 4.0.14.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB using over 90% of system resources
Wednesday, June 20, 2007, 12:03:08 AM, Susanne wrote: Any plugins running? S BayesIT version 0.5.5. It's been a while, but I believe I had exactly these sorts of problems when I was running BayesIt. First, try uninstalling or at least disabling BayesIt, I suspect the problem will vanish. A suitable replacement would be AntispamSniper (http://www.antispamsniper.com/). -- Sam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virtual Memory overuse
I was just running v3.80.06 and left it running for about a half day. I returned to see a windows systray popup about being out of virtual memory. I looked for the culprit and it was TB! which was currently using 512MB of VM! Anyone else seeing that sort of memory leak/consumption? I brought this issue up on the list several months ago, I think maybe last summer or fall, so this issue has been around for a long time. What I see is that when I initially start up TB! it immediately swallows up about 1.5GB of the pagefile and about 600MB of RAM. That's over 2GB of memory for a single program all at once... not a leak issue (I think). I am only using POP, no IMAP. On rare ocassions I'll start up TB! and it'll seem to consume very little RAM or virtual memory, maybe 100MB across the two. That's usually a treat as my system is free to be response when switching applications and when starting or closing applications. Otherwise, when TB! is swallowing memory, it tends to affect performance system-wide. Over time, RAM usage ticks down to something acceptable, but the pagefile only returns to normal when TB! is shut down. -- Sam Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Installing additional HDD
Sunday, May 14, 2006, 12:13:23 AM, Thomas wrote: TF My goal is to move the mailbase to the new drive D (first partition on TF the new HD). How to do? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but after installing the new drive and before starting up TB!, why don't you physically move all the message base files from one drive to the other being careful to maintain the same directory structure? Does that seem like it would work? -- Sam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB restoring under windows
Since upgrading to 3.71.03, when I click the systemtray icon to restore the application, the main window is always restored UNDER all other windows. I think there's a pattern here where it sometimes works as expected (restoring OVER other windows), but I haven't figured it out yet. Is it just me, or has someone else experienced this as well? -- Sam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: maintenance and max size of folders
- Original Message From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TBUDL@thebat.dutaint.com Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2006 1:21:41 AM Subject: maintenance and max size of folders I believe that it is good practice not to keep emails building up in the Inbox. From what I read this may cause problems with respect to stability or in case of crashes data loss - please correct me if I am wrong. - I have no information or facts on this, so I could be completely wrong, but it doesn't seem to make sense to me that this would happen. Why would the inbox be any different from any other folder? Why would it be bad to leave 1000 messages in the inbox vs 100,000 in any other folder? What would make the inbox so prone to corruption compared to another folder? Perhaps my confusion simply comes from a lack of understanding regarding the storage system TB! uses... So could someone clarify? Thanks! -Sam Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new install on 3.71.03
Nope just a big grey area with the words in the middle of it No Message Loaded I don't understand where the confusion is. That's what happens when you don't have a message selected. Is the problem that there are no messages in the message list to select or... what's really going on here? -Sam Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: secondary address - how to use?
- Original Message If user has an addressee with two or more email addresses, one under the other, how does user insert the 2nd, 2rd address into the address line of a post as a cc or as a bcc? I don't have a solution for this, but I can say that this has bothered me ever since I've been using TB!. I know you can attach multiple addresses to a single contact, but when you send an email to that contact it'll go to all those addresses. Instead, what I would like to do, is select the contact and then the address, out of the several listed, that I want the email to be sent to. It's funny, my cell phone can do this wonderfully, yet my email client (that has been around for six years) still can't... -Sam Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Massive Memory Consumption
Friday, December 30, 2005, 12:03:36 PM, Alexander wrote: ASK Hello Sam Brown everyone else, ASK H, I do not encounter this problem here. 3 POP-Accounts with about ASK 2 messages, TB uses about 35MB currently. I'm only using one POP account. ASK How many messages do you have in your message base(s)? I assume you did run ASK a folder maintenance? I have 74 folders and approaching 131,000 messages in the various message bases that are attached to this account. I have tried running folder maintenance and I run folder compression fairly regularly. -- Sam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Massive Memory Consumption
Friday, December 30, 2005, 5:44:06 AM, Curtis wrote: C Are you using any plug-ins or utilities acting as mail proxies, like an C anti-spam tool or anti-virus agent? If so, disable all of them and let C TB! run on its own. See how it goes. Your problem is likely unique to C your system and TB! installation, so the trouble shooting will have to C take place mainly on your system. I am running NO plugins, good thought, though. C TB! has been running here for over 12 hours and it's now using 26MB of C RAM and 44MB of VM. Peak Mem Usage is 49MB. Only one TB! plug-in is in C use and it's that for AVG anti-virus. Like I said, over time, RAM usage ticks down. After a few hours it's usually in the 20-30MB range of RAM. However, it's still completely hogging the virtual memory. It's odd because sometimes it starts up fine with no abnormal consumption (though, this hasn't happened since I upgraded to the newest release), but usually it's just gone totally wacky overload on memory usage. -- Sam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Massive Memory Consumption
I'm using 3.64.01 right now, but this problem has been happening at least since 3.5. Basically, my machine has 1gig of RAM and a 1.4gig paging file. Under normal circumstances I'm using about 300megs of RAM and 400 or so megs of of the paging file. When I start TB up usage of everything spikes to the full gig of RAM consumed and the full 1.4gigs of paging file used. I shut TB down and usage returns to normal. Checking Process Explorer I can confirm that the memory is being consumed by TB. Usage of RAM usually ticks down gradually, but the paging file will remain pegged. Any thoughts? -- Sam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Connection window locking up again...
--- Marten Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I have upgraded to 3.51.10 I have been getting lockups in te Connection window. I cannot delete the task(s) and I cannot abort them I can only stop the The Bat in the CTRL-ALT-DEL window and re-start. I wasn't following this thread too closely, so this may have been mentioned or already discounted. When I had problems with my connection window never going away, it was due to the Bayes-It plugin. Because of that and frequent crashes I stopped using Bayes-It a year ago and I haven't had problems since. So, have you tried disabling the plugin to see if the problem goes away? -- Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! hangs on startup
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] This morning, when I opened The Bat!, the application (3.5.30) hung and refused to load. CPU usage shot to 100% and maxed out the available RAM on my Sony Vaio P3-1.3/256 MB running WinXP Home SP2. Because this sounds vagualy like the problems I've been experiencing, I have a test for you... Remove all your message bases (just move them somewhere else, keeping intact the folder structure and all). In theory, TB! should start up with all of your message folders empty. The problem I have involves trying to view emails and if you have a folder selected by default that has messages in it, that will also be selected by default, then it will try and render that message in the preview pane (assuming you have this turned on). Therefore, by removing the messages, it should start up with nothing to render and be just fine... until you try to search or compose a message. I may just be grabbing at straws here, so give the message base thing a try and let us know how it works out. If that does work, it'll give us more information and confirmation of my problem, but as yet, there's no solution. :( -Sam -- Current version is 3.51 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP
--- Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You should check if you need additional security updates, maybe. All up to date in that regard. -Sam -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP
--- Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if you try to select another folder with a program parameter, something like this: I:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /FocusF=\\roelof\Inbox It depends on what you're trying to do. If an empty folder is selected at startup, or no folder (like the top level account is selected and not a message folder) then the program is fine up until the point where a message is selected in any fashion. -Sam -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP
--- Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you try version 2 as well? (the latest was v2.12) Just for fun I went back to a 1.53 version and the problem still showed itself. I do have a 2.12 to try if you think that would help, but at this point, I'm thinking the result would likely be the same. You mean the first mail that appears after you installed it, and not the splash screen with the bat, right? Right, the welcome email that shows up unread in the inbox after installing. We have to try and find out what could be causing this. Which OS are you running (Bob Morris is running XP-SP2 and so do I, so thats not the problem), and furthermore, which other applications are running? Virus scanner, firewall, something in the background (a desktop search that wants to index TB's messagebase for example), anything... I am running XP-SP2. I don't know if the list accepts attachments, but I'm attaching a HijackThis log. What I can say as far as things that may have, in some odd way, initiated this is that things stopped working when my roommate used my computer. I know how that sounds... :p He said that he wanted to FAX a PDF to someone. When he tried to open the PDF he got some message about needing to install Microsoft Journal Viewer. Not knowing anything, he went ahead and tried it. The install failed somehow and crashed the computer. When I got home and tried to use TB! and finding it not functioning, I tried to do a Repair on the TB! install using the installer. That popped up a message about there being a failed MS Journal Viewer installation and asked if I'd like to clear the bad registry entries (or something like that). I agreed and the repair went through and all indicated thumbs up. Still, the behavior of TB! crashing never changed. Just to make sure things happened thoroughly, I tried fully installing the MS Journal Viewer and then uninstalling it to make sure everything was cleaned up. I also ran a RegClean. I'm not real sure what else to try or what effect the MS Journal Viewer might have had, if any. I have considered rolling back my system to a restore point prior to when all of this started, I'm just worried about everything else that would impact (as it has been almost three weeks now) so I wanted to know whether there was absolutely no solution before going ahead with that. Thanks for the help so far, folks! :) -Sam -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP
--- Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...as Roman said, its very likely that this is not a TB problem itself (tho something seems to be affecting the message rendering or whatever of TB so that it crashes, or rather, freezes). I agree that it doesn't seem to be a problem with the TB! installation, but since TB! is (as far as I know) the only application affected, the issue still lies with TB! in that THAT is where it has to be fixed. Something seems to be broken in your WinXP installation. I don't know a thing about this Microsoft Journal Viewer (I thought you only need it for Tablet PC documents, but Fax?!?), never installed it, never used it... The call for MS Journal Viewer has something to do with the Adobe thing. I found a FAQ about that on Adobe's support site saying it was some stupid requirement that could potentially be ignored... but my roommate didn't know that. Maybe going back to the restore point isn't such a bad idea - after all, only the registry changes and system settings are restored, no files are deleted or moved on disk. I tried going to back to prior restore points. Several of the restore points didn't work (unable to restore), the one I did get to work seemed to FUBAR nearly everything. Web browsers wouldn't work. Several programs were effectively rendered useless. TB! would start up, but the window wouldn't restore, it was permanently minimized (either to the taskbar or system tray). I couldn't even test the problem since I couldn't select a message to try and render it. After all that, I undid the restore point, so I'm now back to where I was. At least everything else works, but I don't know how useful that is to me without a good email client. It would be interesting to hear if someone else on this list is using this MS Journal Viewer and TB on a single computer (and without problems). I'm wondering if this problem has something to do with a shared DLL or something that the Journal Viewer may have overwritten that somehow affects rendering. That's why I continue to bring this up as a TB! issue, in the event that someone might be aware of some overlap in in library usage. Thanks for the help so far folks, I do appreciate the effort. :) -Sam -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP
--- Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you tried SFC (from the commandline), you can check the WinXP system files with that utility restore them if they were altered. On one or two rare occasions I've seen that re-installing the Service Pack (even if it is already installed) helped. Tried running both SFC and tried installing SP2 again. I didn't uninstall SP2 first, and the installation went through really fast, so I'm wondering if nothing really happened (though I did have to reconfigure the various security functions again). I dunno... -Sam -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP [SOLVED]
Jumping back a little bit... I think I got it working. I found I was able to view folders containing HTML email. I went into the options and changed all the viewers and composing to HTML ONLY and everything seems to work. This is irritating in the sense that I HATE HTML email and prefer to do all my viewing/composing in plain text... But it'll do for now. Is anyone aware of issues such as mine with the plain text viewer? -Sam -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP [SOLVED]
*Sorry for the lack of threading here... problems persist that require the use of Y!Mail still... So I should qualify my previous statement that the problem has been solved. I CAN view email and TB! no longer crashes when selecting folders or messages (at least so far) and I believe this is due to the use of the HTML viewer. However, I cannot SEARCH the message base and I cannot COMPOSE messages. It seems that this is a problem with one of the renderers, but why and what would the solution be? -Sam PS: I am using 3.5.36 at this point -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP [SOLVED]
--- Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in process of searching Bug Tracker Issues for you, but so far without success in finding a similar problem. Thanks Mary. I'm looking through there now as well. I'm starting to wonder if this is a charset related problem. I'm thinking that maybe the MS Journal Viewer may have changed something related to the character set... It's just a hunch... When I go to the View menu and go to Character set, I notice that there is nothing selected when the program starts up. If I select something, like utf-8 it will remain selected, but closing the program and starting it again there will be nothing selected in the menu. I don't know if this is the usual behavior (it's just nothing I paid attention to in the past). I don't know... I'm grabbing at straws here... :) -Sam -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP
--- Bob Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only thing that is driving me mad is that The Bat! now periodically freezes either in the view folder screen when reading messages or in the main screen. Other programs can be accessed alright but The Bat! just sits there not responding to anything. I have tried leaving it sit up to about half an hour, thinking that maybe there was some background task going on but it stays locked up. The only way out is to CTRL-ALT-DEL and to then close it using Windows Task Manager. This seems to happen about once or twice a day - I can't pick any pattern with other programs interacting with it. Any suggestions or work arounds appreciated I have experienced something very similar. I have 3.50.28 installed and, though TB! seems fine on startup, whenever I select an email for display, the program halts. CPU resources are pinned at 100%. TB! registers as not responding and I have to terminate the task. To be clear, I can do other functions within TB! just fine. I can mess with preferences. I can and have run several integrity checks on all of my folders. What triggers it, as near as I can tell, is trying to view a message. I submitted a ticket for this over two weeks ago and even updated the ticket twice with additional information but never received a single response to my request for support. I've been trying to follow whatever threads I can to find others with similar problems (and hopefully solutions), but haven't found anything conclusive. At this point, I need an email client. If this problem can't be solved soon I will have to find a different client, and that REALLY pains me after having used and loved TB! for about six years now. Even if there is no solution at this time, I would really like to know that this problem is being tracked and a fix is in the works. At least then I'd know to hold out... -Sam Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP
--- Alexander S. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this happen in any folder, with any message? What happens when you create a new (empty) folder and set up a filter to put all new mail there (just for testing)? If it still fails we can be sure its not a problem with your messagebase data files. This did not work. As soon as the Connection Centre cleared, the folder was the selected one and therefore, a message in that folder was automatically selected... and the program halted. With ticket you mean you supported a report on the Ritlabs bugtracker site? Aye, ticket: [TID#15368] I also tried the other suggestion of disabling any anti-virus software that might be doing a scan. I have also tried installing earlier versions, such as the 3.0 release to no effect. I have tried uninstalling, clearing every trace of the install I could find, and reinstalling. Even before moving the messages from my message base in, this problem would show itself when viewing the welcome message. -Sam -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP
--- MFPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aye, ticket: [TID#15368] https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=15368 leads to APPLICATION ERROR #1100 Issue 15368 not found. I guess they have multiple ticketing systems? My ticket is in the support system off the RITlabs homepage, Ask a Question. I'm looking at it right now, so I know it's in the system. -Sam -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat v3.5.30 locking up on Windows XP
--- MFPA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are the login details consistent throughout the website? (i.e. same there as at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt) The login for the other ticketing system is not the same as the one I registered and submitted to. Or, the login I have doesn't work in the /bt system. :) All I get is Site is temporarily anavailable. Please try again later!Error connecting to database. Please try again. I seem to be able to get to it just fine. Maybe another aspect of the system is having problems, like login or account creation or something. Since I'm already logged in, maybe it's not an issue. *shrug* -Sam -- Current version is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
defining account default column sizes
mmk. didn't spot anything in the faq/archives about this. on a sidenote - only making the archives viewable at 10 posts per page is near useless IMHO. need the option to view at least 50 at a time. anyway. the properties for each folder has an 'Use the account default column settings' checkbox. exactly how though, does one specify the account default column settings? my problem is i want the column layout to look the same across all folders, but i can see no other way to achieve that without manually setting up every folder. anyone? TIA. regards, sam chrisp Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: defining account default column sizes
ahh. not the most intuitive way to do it IMO. 'account default settings' has the implication that one needs to set specific defaults a label on the properties page above the checkbox - worded properly - would be something to consider adding. recieved: 3/08/2003 8:47 p.m. Just change any one of the folders flagged as following the default settings. The changes will be reflected around the others. There are actually two different default column settings. One for threaded view and one for unthreaded. Just to add to the confusion. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Norton Anti Virus 2001 and TB
I have used NAV2002 since WinXP came out back in September or thereabouts. It does not work like NAV2001. I have not noticed the_Bat hanging up on infected e-mail. It does change the extension on some attachments it considers questionable, so it is apparently scanning the incoming e-mail. The only noticeable action I can see is NAV2002 will scan all outgoing e-mail, and that does slow down the send part a little. I am not on any group mail setups in a commercial business (networked) and don't know if that makes a difference or not. I am on DSL but don't know that that would make a difference. -- Have a great day, Sam A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men. Geoff Lane Has NAV 2002 actually detected a virus in your email? If so, did it Geoff Lane require you to intervene in some way? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Reply to - no quoted material appears
I have noticed this problem too, but not with the tbudl. What I notice is if I reply to a message which was sent to me in HTML, it does not quote the text in the reply. I do use the %Quotes macro, but it doesn't seem to work with the HTML messages. -- Have a great day, Sam »Stay« is a charming word in a friend's vocabulary. - Bronson Allcott -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have an intermittent problem which is driving me nuts. Sometimes when I reply to a message (or a post here) the editor comes up as usual but with no quoted material from the message I am replying to. Most of the time this doesn't happen but every now and then it does and there seems to be no way for me to get back the original message into the editor window. If anyone actually understands what I mean, why does this happen? There is nothing I have changed anywhere and I am replying to the message exactly the same way I always do. It doesn't make sense! Thanks in advance, Carren -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Reply to - no quoted material appears
Hi David, I normally select the text to be quoted and then hit F4. When the original message was in HTML, I get the reply template but no quoted text. I do not seem to have this problem when replying to non-HTML text. I do not have my wheel set up for the shortcut to F4, but I don't see where that would make a difference. Would it? Normally, hitting the reply button gives me the Reply template with all text quoted, and F4 will give me either a blank Reply template or with whatever text was selected. With HTML message, both are blank. (this reply was to your message by selecting the text to be quoted and hitting F4; works perfectly) -- Have a great day, Sam If the dogs are barking at your heels, you know you're leading the pack. I never experience this because I never use the reply button. I always select the text I want to quote and press my middle mouse button (which is mapped as F4). -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Reply using a selected part of the message
Highlight the text you want quoted and then hit F4. A reply message with that quoted text will appear. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Some days you're the dog, and some days you're the hydrant. Hello, I hope I don't become irritating with my continuous questions. I'm really enjoying using TB! and constantly gathering knowledge by reading this discussion list. Here's a question once again originating from Pegasus Mail, a program that I've been using for the past six years. Is there a way that I can select a part of a message and include only that part in composing a reply to the sender? I know I can do it by standard copy-paste action, but I was wondering if I could automate this process somewhat, in the way this is possible with Pegasus Mail. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New message from Favourites Memo in saved file
After the last discussion, I downloaded v1.53t. It is located on the Beta Testers download. I have not looked at the German download site. The version 1.53t on the Beta site is in English. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Instead of crying over spilt milk, go milk another cow. I assume that 1.53d is the current production version in English. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Removing Microsoft Outlook from the system
Would going to Options/Preferences/Applications and checking the .eml box and maybe clicking on Associate Now change the settings for .eml to The Bat? -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches. (George Bernard Shaw) Not that I'm aware of. .msg could be somehow important, as this is the file type an attachment of content type message/rfc-822 get's silently 'converted' to, but .eml I've never seen except for messages exported from OE (what you're not using, you stated). -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SpellChecker
Are you sure the spell checker is not turned off? When you write a message, new or reply, click on Spell Checker Menu and see if it is there (not greyed out) and if Automatic Checking is marked. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] God provides every bird a worm, but He does not throw it into the nest. After new Installation of TB! I have no spellchecker any more. Could anyone send me the following spellchecker: Englisch (US and British), German, Frensh and Italian. I'm using the last Official TB! v1.53t but also the stable BETA v1.54b10. Please but it in a ZIP. Other attachment ar not accepted. Thank you. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SpellChecker
Hi Eddie, No, no ideas on that one. Only one thing, what is version 1.53t? I have what is supposed to be the latest final version, that being 1.53d. I have not tried the beta, mainly because it is zipped with a zip program I do not have. The spell checker does work in 1.53d which I have on my pooter. Perhaps the Beta has not been set up yet? -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Instead of crying over spilt milk, go milk another cow. SpellChecker Are you sure the spell checker is not turned off? When you write a message, new or reply, click on Spell Checker Menu and see if it is there (not greyed out) and if Automatic Checking is marked. Under v1.53t the SpellChecker is turned 'on' but under v1.54b10 and v1.54b20 ist is greyed out. Any idea? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SpellChecker
I didn't know it was a Beta version (1.53t). It is on the Beta page. I really don't have any program which will unpack a rar zip file and I don't run into them anywhere else, so I don't think I will get the program. Thanks anyway. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Work fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours on end. Dear Sam, I can send you v1.53t and a very good tool to Unpack *all* Archives. Do you want it? All about 12.5 MB -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SpellChecker
Yes, I found the web site which has the rar unzipping software some time ago, couple months or more. I use WinZip for unzipping and I just didn't think I could justify getting the WinRar just to unzip the_Bat! beta. I can't honestly say I have run into any other zipped files which required that utility. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Work fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours on end. On 30 Dec 2001, 1:23:11 PM, Sam wrote: I really don't have any program which will unpack a rar zip file and I don't run into them anywhere else, so I don't think I will get the program. Thanks anyway. I've used winrar, http://www.rarsoft.com/ which I think I downloaded from www.zdnet.com I just tried, and was able to extract with PowerDesk. www.ontrack.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SpellChecker
Hi Peter, I believe the german site was where I looked at the WinRar utility, or whatever it was named. I use WinZip and it will unzip some 20 or more types, but .rar is not one of them. Seems to me like it would, but it doesn't. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Start by doing the necessary, then the possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible. (St. Francis of Assisi) Visit my web site at http://personal.mem.bellsouth.net/mem/s/a/sammtn/home.html I can only find the german site for RAR archiver: www.rarsoft.de Another good archive tool is Power Archiver from www.powerarchiver.com. It handles .zip and .rar archives and others. It is shareware. - -- Cheers Peter -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SpellChecker
If there is one thing about the_Bat! it is the stability. I grew up on Eudora, from version 1 to version 4. I really liked it and it did enough of what I needed an e-mail client. Unfortunately, from version 4 (and then v. 5) it started crashing unmercifully. A newly formatted hard drive and fresh installation of Eudora worked perfectly...for 1 month. Then it would start crashing on opening folders, closing folders, exiting the program, etc. Very disgusting and that was when I started looking for something else. I don't think the_Bat! has ever crashed on me, or if it did, it was likely something I did. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As long as you can laugh at yourself you will never cease to be amused. Visit my web site at http://personal.mem.bellsouth.net/mem/s/a/sammtn/home.html Hope you can use it! v1.53t is very stable. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: SpellChecker
Hi Eddie, While I liked Eudora real well, the crashing drove me off. I looked at both Poco and the_Bat! at the same time and came to the conclusion that the_Bat! was the most versatile and went with it. If there is something about the e-mail client that I don't like, for the most part it can be changed to my liking. Do that with Outlook Express. lol -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be the change that you want to see in the world. (Mohandas Gandhi) If there is one thing about the_Bat! it is the stability. [...] I agree fully with you. Since I have seen TB! the first time I've being convincet that *this* is the eMail client of my future. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Anti-virus plugins
Norton AV2002 seems to work with the_Bat. I know it checks the outgoing mail and supposedly checks the incoming mail. I probably have had warnings on the incoming mail, but the_Bat seems more or less immune to viruses so AV2002 is not triggered unless I was to try and open an attachment, which is don't. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches. (George Bernard Shaw) tbudl... What Anti-virus software works with the AV section of The Bat? ie what can I use? I've been using AVX pro (Dow BitDefender) here and can't see how I would use it to check my incoming emails. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Anti-virus plugins
Actually, NAV2002 does not need to be set up manually. Someone previously mentioned setting up NAV2001 manually. I had tried that some time ago, and didn't think it worked. Someone again mentioned it later and I tried it again and I still could not get it to work with the_Bat. Seems like NAV2001 would not start because of an error. Probably a case of me not having it set up right, but I had followed what directions were available. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be the change that you want to see in the world. (Mohandas Gandhi) Visit my web site at http://personal.mem.bellsouth.net/mem/s/a/sammtn/home.html Norton Antivirus works very well with The Bat! Be sure to enable the manual mail configuration, and for each mail account (assuming that it's a POP account), use pop3.norton.antivirus instead of the POP mail address. Use that one in your username line: username/pop.mail The SMTP address will remain unaffected. The online help will have more detail, just make sure to look under manual mail configuration. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Anti-virus plugins
Hi Geoff, NAV2002 seems to bear little resemblance to NAV2001. It no longer has an are which tells you what e-mail clients are detected and protected. Upon installation, The_Bat is detected and will scan the sent e-mail as well as the received e-mail. It still has the Live Update features but the rest has changed. I printed off your directions for using The_Bat and NAV2001 and I'll re-check the setup, but it seems to be what I originally tried. If there is one point I might have missed it would be putting my user name in front of my mail server, although I think I did. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Be the change that you want to see in the world. (Mohandas Gandhi) Visit my web site at http://personal.mem.bellsouth.net/mem/s/a/sammtn/home.html BTW, what's different about NAV2002 that it does not need manual configuration? Has TB been added to the list of mail clients that it recognises? HTH, -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Anti-virus plugins
John, your observations of NAV2002 seem to be exactly the same as my observations. I think the autodelete function is not there, at least I have not seen the option. Like you, the autorepair does not seem to work. I'd be interested to know whether or not you are successful in using NAV2001 with WinXP. I did try it, but got the not compatible warnings. Symantec has some information on using it, but was very hard to find on their web site, and seemed very sketchy. I never could make it work and from what others say, they couldn't either. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The harder you work the luckier you become. Which version are you using? - I've gone to 2002 because I'm now using XP and the autodelete function seems not to be present in 2002 - worked fine in 2000 and 2001 though. The email scanner in 2002 works in a very different way to earlier versions and needs no email client configuration. The only automatic function seems to be autorepair, which pops up a dialog on every infected mail (infuriating) as it can't repair it, plus it picks up the tmp file created by the bat, presumably because the mail is intercepted in a different way from 2000/2001. To make things worse, what's left of any infected mail has most of its headers removed. I've heard that 2001 can be got to work in XP, so I might give it a try - that worked fine in Windows 2000. Advice from Symantec on their forums seems to be along the lines of disabling the email scanner, as it is only a supplementary function, and relying instead on the resident scanner. Seems to ignore the point of why some users want to use email scanning but there you go. John Rainer -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Anti-virus plugins
Hi Peter, You are correct. The_Bat does a good job on viruses, which seem to be extremely abundant these days. I have yet to get infected, thanks to stance the_Bat takes. The virus scan program is very important, maybe not for the_Bat, but for Outlook Express and Outlook, both of which are on this computer even though they are only uses sparingly. I use OE for HTML mail, but might try using Word and attaching it to the_Bat. Only bad part is that most of my correspondents will not open attachments either. LOL -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history. (George Bernard Shaw) you are right. The Bat! will give you a real hard time before you can open an email-virus! Thumbs up! ;o) Still you will need your AV for other possible ways of infections... - -- Cheers Peter -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Anti-virus plugins
S I have yet to get infected, thanks to stance the_Bat takes. The virus S scan program is very important, maybe not for the_Bat, but for Outlook S Express and Outlook, both of which are on this computer even though they S are only uses sparingly. Sure, Sam, sparingly might be enough! ;-) Can't argue here. When I say sparingly, I do indeed mean SPARINGLY. I have some in-laws who are gung-ho on HTML; don't think they EVER send a plain text message. I use it when I want to send a picture imbedded in the message, something I don't think can be done in the_Bat. It can be sent as an attachment, but, like I said, many people will not open attachments, me included unless I know what is being sent and by whom. S I use OE for HTML mail, but might try using Word and attaching it to S the_Bat. Only bad part is that most of my correspondents will not open S attachments either. LOL For what in the world do you need HTML in emails? Ok, sending mom an x-mas card. Right. I'd use OE for that too. ;o) I don't even send Christmas or other holiday cards by HTML. I use Hallmark or Blue Mountain e-cards. I use it to send pictures. I do feel HTML is a bane to the internet and should be stopped but that surely will never happen. Too many tyros on the net who go ga-ga over that stuff. I notice The_Bat is working on incorporating HTML in the next version; sure hope they don't mess up the good thing they presently have. Peter -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Anti-virus plugins
Hi John, Thanks, I filed the information on using NAV2001 with WinXP just in case. Good luck with your inquiry to Symantec. My experience with them is not great. I get conflicting, and frequently incorrect information and, like the inquiry quoted, it is the problem of the user, not Symantec. That seems to be a given. Of course, this is if they even bother to answer my inquiries. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There are two theories about arguing with women Neither one works. Visit my web site at http://personal.mem.bellsouth.net/mem/s/a/sammtn/home.html I found the following info on Google - I don't know if it is reliable or not! Put HjWi7.17602$[EMAIL PROTECTED] complete with quotes into a Google news search. There is also a software compatibility update for XP where Norton Antivirus 2001 is mentioned - I've contacted Symantec about it and am awaiting a response (cue moaning wind and tumbleweed). See http://servicenews.symantec.com/cgi-bin/displayArticle.cgi?group=symantec.support.winnt.nortonantivirus2002.generalarticle=25317 - I did not post the original article but did follow it up. John -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re:Spammers on the list?
One thing that strikes me about this HTML e-mail. Anna Kournikova was a rather ambitious virus of about a year or so ago. If it has any attachments, it would be inadvisable to open it. In fact, I don't believe I would click on the click here link. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Nobody can hurt me without my permission. (Mohandas Gandhi) Visit my web site at http://personal.mem.bellsouth.net/mem/s/a/sammtn/home.html Hello TBOT Members! I have something quite funny. I just received an HTML message with the following headers and body: Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Flags: Delivered-To: GMX delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 12758 invoked by uid 0); 20 Dec 2001 16:37:27 - Received: from unknown (HELO gmx.net) (211.169.249.129) by mx0.gmx.net (mx013-rz3) with SMTP; 20 Dec 2001 16:37:27 - From: Anna Kourn [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54b) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Best Rape and Lolita Porn on the net Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:04:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_00B6_01C0692D.CCF580A0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Modified-Forwards: 1A.inbox Best Rape and Child Porn on the net Youngest and innocents girls and boys! Whose photos were never published before! -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
NAV2001
Someone has recently mentioned setting up the_Bat to work with NAV2001. I had previously tried to set it up but it did not seem to work, at least I thought it did not work. I am trying it again on another computer and still get the message that there are no e-mail clients installed. I changed the server info in the_Bat and it works so it might be working, but that no e-mail client installed still appears in NAV2001. Anyone know where the tutorial on setting up the Bat with NAV2001 is located? I can find them for Pegasus, Eudora, etc, but not The_Bat. -- Have a great day, Sam mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] He who can, does. He who cannot, teaches. (George Bernard Shaw) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: NAV2001
Hi Kevin, Like I said, I had tried setting the_Bat with NAV2001 about 6 months ago, and I didn't think it worked. Someone recently said it can be set up manually. I tried it again, and I still don't think it is protected by NAV2001. When I put WinXP on this machine, I bought NAV2002, and it does seem to work. It does scan outgoing mail, I know, because the scan screen pops up on every sent e-mail, and it did catch the BadTrans virus the other day on an incoming e-mail, so I am reasonably sure NAV2002 does work with the_Bat. -- Have a great day :-) Sam Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history. (George Bernard Shaw) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Afraid that NAV2001 only supports Popular mail clients, that are well known to People. I havent heard of NAV2001 working with many Email Clients other than Outlook/Eudora and such. Nav2002 doesn protected TB! and most other Email clients and is definetely woth the upgrade if you are worried about receving lots of infected emails, if not most email Attachments are scanned before opening on NAV2001 and shouldnt be too much of a worry. Regards, Kevin Conlin -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: NAV2001
Thanks, Geoff. The procedure you describe is the same one I took. Originally, I did not think it was scanning the_Bat, and I had the same opinion this time. Since you say there will be no notification within NAV2001 itself that it knows about the_Bat, I'll assume it is working and protecting the incoming e-mail. I have not noticed anything different about the icon in the tray, but I might not have looked at the right times. I'll have to pay closer attention. -- Have a great day :-) Sam Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. (Abraham Lincoln) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm guilty of that post. NAV2001 doesn't know (and doesn't need to know) that TB exists. NAV has a POP3 port and registers itself on your computer with the server name pop3.norton.antivirus. You can use any POP3 client to retrieve mail from this virtual server. You need to set up email scanning manually. Because NAV itself doesn't locate and configure the email client, it doesn't report TB as a protected client. You can only tell that NAV is scanning from the system tray icon and from the actions NAV takes when it catches a virus. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Mouse Wheel Scroll functionality
I use WinXP Home edition and have the MS Optical Mouse. Works fine in The_Bat. The difference I can see is that you have the Beta whereas I do not. Could be something in the Beta. -- Have a great day :-) Sam Don't waste time worrying about future difficulties - they may never come. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I noticed that when reading emails that the there is no mouse wheel scroll functionality (mouse wheel will not scroll the page in emails). This functionality works fine in Outlook Express 6. Also when you scroll the inbox list of email past the bottom of the list of emails, there is some defect that keeps scrolling into blank spaces. My OS is Windows XP Home Edition. I'm using The Bat! 154 Beta 12, these bugs also appeared in beta 10e. Thanks, Sean -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Mouse Wheel Scroll functionality
The mouse drivers from previous versions are considered not compatible with WinXP. The WinXP drivers are available. I got mine from Dell, but I assume they are available from Microsoft. Actually, you WinXP should have installed a basic driver during setup. -- Have a great day :-) Sam Be the change that you want to see in the world. (Mohandas Gandhi) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What is your mouse Mouse Wheel scrool in Win95 (genius wheel scroll) work fine (1.53x and 1.54Betas) Update your mouse drivers Check the mode of your mouse (office 97 or manufacturer -- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: norton antivirus 2001
This was my experience also. Norton AV2002 does seem to protect the_Bat but not AV2001. -- Have a great day, Sam Some days you're the dog, and some days you're the hydrant. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a nice day :-) i have installed norton antiviral 2001, activated e-mail protection , for various accounts of Outlook Express , it provides proterction , but not for thebat 1.53d which i am using pkroy [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: norton antivirus 2001
I saw the comment about setting NAV2001 manually to accept other e-mail clients. Unfortunately, the file they referred to was not in my folder. I had an OEM version, which apparently was not something Symantec considered a product worthy of changing. -- Have a great day, Sam Love has reasons which reason cannot understand. - Blaise Pascal mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a nice day :-) Visit my web site at http://personal.mem.bellsouth.net/mem/s/a/sammtn/home.html That's because NAV is not aware of TB! as an email client. If you want NAV 2001 to protect your TB! accounts you need to manually adjust you pop3 server setting in your email account as described in NAV's help file. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Have to shut down after connecting to reconnect
Hi Doug, Are you saying that you have The_Bat set to check mail at regular internals? I also have ZoneAlarmPro and it has settings to allow a given program to bypass the lock but it does not work; not with the Bat or any other program. It also has a feature which automatically locks the computer when the Screen Save activates. Supposedly, you can disable the lock when the screen saver activates, but this also does not work; still locks out programs even when the feature is disabled. Only way I solved the problem was to disable the automatic check in the Bat and check mail manually. Your problem is likely ZoneAlarm, not the_Bat. - Have a great day, Sam Same problem that time. You wrote that you had the problem for two days. At the end of the thread the problem was attributed to ZoneAlarm. I suppose that Removing and reinstalling ZoneAlarm didn't work? I think it did. It's the same problem again, ZAP. Now that you've pointed it out, I've shut of ZAP and it works, reload and it's blocked. I'll ask on the newsgroup. Thanks. Doug -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
HTML messages
I am wondering if there is a way to change the background color of a message received in HTML. On e-mail lists, when a post is sent in HTML, it appears as black print on a medium grey background; very hard to read. I can click on the 1 tab at the bottom and see it without the formatting, but is a bit of a bother. Perhaps there is a way to make the 1 tab default? -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML messages
Hi Nick, I'm not a big fan of HTML e-mail and I guess that is why I use the-bat. Someone suggested deselecting the show HTML automatically, which I tried, but I have since received another message and I don't see any difference. It did not have the black print on a medium gray background. Perhaps that person did not use a colored background, as someone else indicated. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That is one of the main reasons why most of us don't want to see HTML in E-Mail and are puzzled as to RITLabs insistence on including it. :o( -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: HTML messages
I may have to recant my previous statement. I think, since changing the display HTML Part of Message, that the HTML messages are opening in the 1 tab and therefore doing away with the medium gray background with the black type. I hope this is the way all will come in. A thank you much to whoever suggested that; a very simple solution. I'm not a big fan of HTML e-mail and I guess that is why I use the-bat. Someone suggested deselecting the show HTML automatically, which I tried, but I have since received another message and I don't see any difference. It did not have the black print on a medium gray background. Perhaps that person did not use a colored background, as someone else indicated. -- Have a great day, Sammailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com