Re:[wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing NOT
Dave P wrote: WDVL is one of internet.com's brands, and we don't have permission to use it. After all they've done hosting this excellent community over the years, I'm not going to stab them in the back by using their brand without their permission to do so. Tim sez: Agreed...they were incredibly kind. How about wdevlist or something like that? wdev being web developer, which is a little more identifying than dev, but still keeping away from internet.com's idea of a library-related discussion list... Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:subscribe-wdvlt...@intm-dl.sparklist.com or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: arch...@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-51634309-230552.f22dcf5120bad5a91a87f69f1e923...@lists.wdvl.com To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] WDVLTalk list closing - Personal note
Linda, I'd like to chime in with my thanks for your efforts over the years. I've been on and off list depending on job situations but WDVL was right there with me when I made the plunge into web development several years back. I remember the shock when MOU revealed his true identity. :-) Dave, consider me a candidate if you start up a replacement...that would be great. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:subscribe-wdvlt...@intm-dl.sparklist.com or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: arch...@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-51436723-230552.f22dcf5120bad5a91a87f69f1e923...@lists.wdvl.com To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] ASPSmartUpload Error
Todd wrote: I have been using ASPSmartUpload on my Widows 2003 Server for a while. Everything had been working great. Suddenly we went to use it and now we are getting an error “Server.CreateObject Failed. The line of code that it is giving is the line where I'm calling it. I tried to reinstall it, reboot, etc. with no help. Nothing has changed and it had been working. So I'm not sure what the problem is. Tim responds: I used Persits stuff several years ago and always liked it. Usually a create object failure is due to the DLL not being registered, or a permissions problem on either the DLL or supporting framework (i.e. upload directory, etc.). Did you go through the checklist at http://www.aspupload.com/faq.html? Make sure the DLL is where it belongs and that it is registered (I kinda remember having to re-register our components occasionally after OS patches). Set permissions for Everyone and see if that fixes it, then back down on the permissions slowly (usually you should only need read permissions for the DLL for IUSR and read/write permissions for IUSR on the target directory). Probably too little too late (I'm on the digest) but maybe it will help... Tim � The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM � To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:subscribe-wdvlt...@intm-dl.sparklist.com or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: arch...@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-50636084-230552.f22dcf5120bad5a91a87f69f1e923...@lists.wdvl.com To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] Subject: SQL Join Help
Todd wrote... I will have to study yours and figure it out exactly, as I have a few more others that will be similar. Any good resources or tips that helped you?? :) Thanks again! Tim responds... You're quite welcome. :) No particular resources were used other than the few years I have working out SQL queries as part of web development. Yours is a typical many-to-many relationship using a join table (sometimes also called a bridge or link table) in the middle, so once you understand it you'll be able to apply it in many situations. If it makes you feel better, I've been banging my head on what should be a fairly straightforward query (a bit more complex than yours) on and off for 4 hours now; can't seem to get it to work using joins, it works okay if I specify a WHERE clause...basically mapping one Boolean field to two Boolean fields in different tables. Hope you got yours working. :) Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:subscribe-wdvlt...@intm-dl.sparklist.com or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: arch...@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-50536499-230552.f22dcf5120bad5a91a87f69f1e923...@lists.wdvl.com To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] Subject: SQL Join Help
Todd, Try this: select N.news_ID, G.group_ID, N.news_Title, G.group_Title from news as N inner join group_news as GN on N.news_ID = GN.newsID inner join groups as G on GN.group_ID = G.group_ID where G.group_ID = 25 order by N.news_Title Hope it's not too late to save your brain. :-) Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:subscribe-wdvlt...@intm-dl.sparklist.com or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: arch...@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-50520709-230552.f22dcf5120bad5a91a87f69f1e923...@lists.wdvl.com To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] strange mssql problem
steve wrote... We are using php to connect to a local MS SQL database, and all seems to be fine. We are connecting to several tables within the same database, and are able to insert, update, delete, etc. However, there is one table that refuses to let us update, and we can not figure out why. We get no errors from the script, but no records updated. If I echo out the sql statement, connect to the database with Access as the same user, and copy/paste the query into Access, the update works. Tim responds: One thing you might check is if the table in question has a primary key. In some situations the lack of a primary key will prevent DBMSs from updating rows (i.e. it doesn't have any way to lock the record). This problem usually doesn't throw an error (speaking from experience). The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...
Matt wrote... The Server will be running a bespoke database application and therefore clients will be accessing the database. The clients will _not_ be accessing any file/print services on this server, although they will be authenticating against it. I started to look into this however I can't work out if they organisation needs extra licenses for the desktops if all they are doing is authentication and access a database that is not an MS product. Tim replies... It depends a lot on your application and its footprint. For instance, we put in a Win2k3 server but I knew it was only going to serve web apps, so it doesn't need CALs and we were able to go with a much less expensive Win2k3 version (web version, it's like $500US). I can't install MS databases on it due to the web version but our database was elsewhere anyway. If your clients are running a VB app that is located on the server, I think you'll probably need CALs since each user will have to authenticate against the server itself before running the app. If your clients are running the VB app on local machines and it reaches across the network to access the server for the database, you may or may not need CALs. It's my understanding that CALs are primarily needed where users are directly accessing the server to run some application. Cheryl recommended calling MS, and I do too, but you need to gather the required information first. At a former job we got three different answers from three different MS reps, so it may pay to poke around some. We finally decided against CALs and structured the situation to keep direct server logins to a minimum. HTH...don't take it for written in stone though...MS changes licensing every so often and it's a real sore spot with small to medium sized businesses. :) Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] [Bulk] Introductions
Zach wrote... Greetings. I wanted to introduce myself to the group, as I am new here. I am a web developer in Vermont. I am currently working for a PHP development shop that has an in-house CMS. I am starting a new job in a week for a large company doing .NET development. Tim sez... Welcome aboard, Zach. The list is quieter than it used to be but there are some good people here with a wide variety of talents. I'm sort of the opposite of you; after a layoff at a large shop where we were just starting to get into .NET, a job moved put me into the world of PHP and MySQL, where I've been for the last couple of years. Still getting used to the open-source idea after 10 years in Microsoft-land, doing custom in-house web based tool development for a company. I'm in Wichita, KS, USA. I listen in on the digest so sometimes my replies are a day or two behind the curve. :-) Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] JavaScript/CSS question
Riva, I'd agree with MOU - you're making things too complicated. Set your menu items up to be block display and let the browser handle the movement for the form. Use JS to control just the display:none or display:block. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] shtml in firefox
Joseph wrote: So I have turned to using my own early css work and adapting it. IE seems proud and happy to show the site and I have started making the changes needed. However it seems unhappy with Javascript. The great Firefox merely shows the source! This is the document statement !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/loose.dtd; Any thoughts? Tim responds: First, try upgrading your doctype to this: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd; (see http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/loosedtd.html) I don't think the 4.0 Transitional DTD is even valid anymore. Secondly...IE will render happily whether or not the doctype is correct, but FF is pretty choosy about it. JavaScript may not work if the page is not completely loaded, depending on what it's doing...so fix the doctype first, and see what happens from there... Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] [Bulk] Creating a list of entries to submit in a form
MOU wrote: Saving the qualification will display POST data. As you can see, there's no entry for man or opt as no items in the lists were clicked. As I said in the initial message I realise now that this is how a select is supposed to work, but I've been a dope and gone down this route trying to get it to do something entirely different. Tim sez: Looks like you have it working already, Ross...posting seems to be grabbing the box data okay. I didn't look much under the covers but suspect you're using JS to copy the man and opt ids over to the hidden field before posting. I've done that many times on projects, particularly to get ordered list ids back to the server, and I even do it now for some things just to put the data in a form that's easier to write SQL queries against after it travels back to the server. Why is it that other people's work always looks better than mine? LOL I just don't have any sense of cool graphical whizbang... Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] secure download for ebook
Joseph wrote... I do not favour any DRM, but don't want the download page exposed or available to non-payers. I am reluctant to think HTTPS, though I know how sensible it is. But I was thinking that maybe [I am using PayPal for payments] there was a way of linking the PayPal transaction number to the download. [...] I am again looking at PHP/MySQL since I should be able to remember it fairly easily, though I might stick to CSS1, since the emphasis has to be on writing and marketing. Joseph, I don't know if this will work in your situation or not, but I've had good luck using two different methods of restricting document access. 1. Put the content in the database. Your regular PHP files can check authentication and/or authorization, and if the appropriate credentials are submitted, you can open a new browser window, set the MIME type for the content, and copy the content to the new window using PHP. This is a good solution for when you don't have access to the server's file system outside your web space (as in a hosted site). 2. Put the content in a folder that's not in a web-servable location. You can use PHP the same way to check credentials and then open and copy the file line-by-line to a browser, but the file itself should not be directly servable. This is good for when you run your own servers or if you're accessing content on other machines remotely. Either way, you'll want your PHP to be pretty stout to protect the content, but this way you don't have to worry about people hacking the URLs and finding the files. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] OT: usb hub issues
Deb wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions? Is the usb hub perhaps bad? Or the actual usb cable that plugs into the computer from the hub? I'd like to nail down some potential fixes before running all over the place without direction. --- Are you overloading the hub? Is it self-powered? USB ports can only supply so much power to their peripherals. I've had good luck with a USB hub that has its own AC supply; it has one cable going to the PC and 5 slots for USB devices. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] feedback new site please www.phoenix--office--space.com
Al wrote: I've never use a RES higher than 1280 x 1060, so I guess I have to let loose of that rigid thing in me that says anything higher is ridiculous. Tim sez: I regularly develop on a 1600x1200 screen, and usually have more than one monitor hooked up to expand that even more. When you're coding it's impossible to get enough code on the screen at one time. One of DW8's biggest faults (in my opinion) is the lack of a split code screen (two windows into the same file at different locations). Tim Furry The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] Using application variable (global.asa) in XSLT
Robert wrote: I have a project where I want to add a url to an XSLT but want to be able to change it in the global.asa? Can I add the Application(url) to the XSLT so then I don't have to change my template everytime I create a new website, I just change the global.asa? Hi Robert, I haven't done much XSLT, but a google search on xslt dynamic url turned up some good info that you can probably use. My original leaning was that it couldn't be done but after reading a few minutes it looks like not only can it be done, but that other people are doing it (using parameters to the XSLT), and getting values from variables (which means you should be able to use application-level variables)... Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] [SCR] http://www.helpmeimadad.com/
Hey Matthew, [Deb wrote] Well, the first thing that comes to mind is the color combo. This does not say Dad to me - it's pastel-y in nature which screams female to me. Rounded would make it more femmie in my opinion. Maybe a deep dark manly purple and then white instead of yellow? Or perhaps even bolder - black and purple. [I chime in...] As a dad myself, I'd suggest rich browns and greens. When I'm looking for inspiration I poke through the csszengarden site and look for ideas. Try this one: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=192/192.css At the end of the day, when I'm done working, finished with home chores, and usually tired, is when I get to surf for myself. Make it restful but intriguing, with solid content and no ads. I've also found over my years of surfing that sites with photos appeal to me most (not graphics). They don't have to be large or important, just well-done. That may be because I suck at graphics myself. :-) It's a great idea...maybe I'll contribute from my 20+ years of raising my own...the first one started out at 1 lb. 12 oz. and is now married. Dang...that makes me old. Huh. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] Development Tools
I've been using Dreamweaver 8 for the last several months and have come to like it quite a bit. I've never used the WYSIWYG features, it's simply a coding editor for me (I use PHP but used to code in ASP classic as well). Getting clean, validating code nearly always makes you review things manually anyway. I'm also becoming a fan of prototype.js. I tried using Adobe Spry but at the time it wasn't flexible enough to do what I needed (it may be, now). Prototype has two different ajax bits; one allows you to dump ajax return data directly to a DOM element and the other allows you to grab the return value directly and manipulate it (which was what I wanted). I know I'm not using it nearly to its full benefit yet. If you're just looking for a code-sensitive text editor, I've always liked Crimson Editor. It's free and has quite a variety of features. I used to code in notepad quite a bit myself until I found CE. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] OT: event handlers for ajax apps
I’m working on my first ajax-driven website and have come across a curious
problem…in one div, I replace the entire HTML content using innerHTML, with the
new content coming from the ajax interaction. DOM objects in that div have
click and mouseover events attached to them, but after I replace the HTML they
no longer work even though the HTML has identical objects (names/ids/etc.). So
I had to write a small bit of JavaScript to hook the new elements back up after
they were replaced and got to thinking…before making the ajax call, should I
detach event handlers from existing DOM elements that will be replaced, make
the call, replace the HTML, and then hook them back up? Does anyone else do
this? I googled for quite a bit but couldn’t come up with a decent set of
search terms that would narrow the results down enough to find out what other
people were doing…
To tie it into a DW group, I use DW8 to do all my coding… ☺
Thanks,
Tim
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Re:[wdvltalk] Redirecting traffic away from online store during upgrade
Alida, When I had an ASP site going, I put a small include in the top of each ASP page that built the common header (i.e. banner, etc.). In that include I also had a single variable controlling the site's up or down status. In that one place, if I changed the value to down, the include would always redirect to a nice closed page, and if up, it would run normally. The include had to be in the top of every page but that wasn't a problem since it built the header stuff anyway. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] Batch manufacture of thumbnails
Peter wrote: Can anyone suggest a low cost solution to batch converting pdfs to thumbnails?...Paint Shop can produce them but only one time at a time using the resize facility. Tim sez: Paint Shop can record scripts...I've done it in the (dark) past with good luck. Perhaps you can figure out a script that would point to a folder and convert/resize all the files in it? Seems like I did something like that once... Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] Change management/source control mindbenders
Cheryl wrote: Think of public_html as wwwroot. Tim: Okay, that helps. Thanks. Except that there's a whole bunch of public_htmls, one for each person who has an account. :-) I suppose that's normal. Cheryl wrote: I know many who are not willing to install PHP 5 on production servers. Haven't nor have any of the hosts we use. At our local user group we had a commercial host come and give a presentation on their experience with PHP 5 on their test server. They reverted to 4. Tim: Er, why? This bothers me. PHP5 had a couple of features I was interested in using... Cheryl wrote: Working on live sites? Are they crazy? Tim: I will not comment on them; however, from my past experience, I can tell you that there have been *many* times I've used Notepad or another text editor to tweak/fix a live site, at more than one employer (in some cases, twiddling with code I'd never seen before). I don't think it's that unusual in small 1-2 person developer arenas (i.e. where processes are not yet in place). Sheila wrote: They used CVS (I'm not familiar with Synergy). What I did was telnet to the dev server, checkout what I needed, point Zend to the files in public_html, make my changes, test them. When done, I'd telnet back for the checkin. [...] I guess I'm not really understanding what your specific problem is. Tim: My specific problem is lack of knowledge. :-) My general problem is a lack of understanding about how large change management systems work for web development...I spent about an hour with a guy this morning who explained quite a bit and it makes more sense now, if a bit overly-complex. In your case, let's say you want to add a div to pageA.html. You go to the dev server (web server, I presume, with a folder/directory structure as your target), checkout what you need (what does the checkout do? copy the file to your local machine? make the file writable on the dev server? place an xml entry on the dev server stating that file is checked out?). Then you make your changes (on a file local to your computer, or a file somewhere on the dev server?). And then you telnet back in for checkin (doing whatever it takes to reverse the checkout process...placing your changed file back on the dev server somehow in a read-only format so everyone can see the changes). But in CVS, can you roll back if your div doesn't do what you want? Does CVS version things so that you can pull up a diff between v8 and v10? Can you view/test your changes through a browser before checking them in? If the div you added to pageA.html blows the page up when you look at it, can Suzie (another developer working on the same project and the same page) keep working on her pageA.html, or does she have to wait for you to fix your problem first? I'm just curious... In our case, it looks like a new project is set up in Synergy, and initial files are placed into a generic work area on the webserver. The files are then added to the project, and become v1. When a developer wants to make a change, he checks out the entire project, which copies every single file in the project to a local work area for that developer (can either be on the server itself or on his local machine, and yes, files and projects can be checked out by many different people at the same time). The developer's work area is web-servable through a specific url (localhost or a url pointing to their remote work area). The developer can then change any file, add files, etc. and view the results using their own specific url which points to their own work area. This way, Sheila and Suzie can work on the same file at the same time, because they actually have separate copies of it. If Sheila's version blows up, it doesn't affect anyone else's copy. If Suzie checks in her copy first, it becomes something like temp_v2 and Sheila's will become temp_v3. If Sheila checks in her copy first, it'll become temp_v2 and Suzie's will become temp_v3. The system detects if Suzie's changes collide with Sheila's; if there aren't any overlapping code changes, nothing happens. If there are, the most recent checkin developer gets the job of merging them manually. At this point, temp_v2 and temp_v3 reside in Synergy as checked-in files but are not yet visible in the generic work area...a build process must take place in which Synergy incorporates all specified changes into the next release - i.e. a v2 that incorporates changes from both temp_v2 and temp_v3 and is placed into the generic work area. I think that's the general idea. I'm sure there are a lot of things being left out still, but I'm working on the details. It's becoming one of those things that begs for a serious bit of documentation so it doesn't have to keep being rediscovered by newbies like me. :-) Apologies for the longwindedness to the list in general...the devil, as, they say, is in the details. And most of you should be deeply aware of that! LOL Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To
Re:[wdvltalk] Change management/source control mindbenders
I wrote previously: If any of you have had experience with multi-developer change management/source control systems for web development, please contact me via email offlist if you don't mind sharing your knowledge. I find myself responsible for setting a similar system up with a couple of constraints that are driving me nuts. I don't quite understand how normal change management/build systems can apply to typical web development... Matt responded: Any reason why this can't be done on-list? I for one would certainly welcome a discussion on this,... So I continue on: Well, okay, I'll lay out the complications and you guys can feel sorry for me. :-) 1. I work in a mixed environment. My machine is Windows XP, using Dreamweaver/PHP for development (I'm fine with that, although PHP and Dreamweaver are both new to me). 2. All the websites I'll be working on are internal in nature. Corporate rules forbid localhost servers, meaning I can't build and test my stuff using IIS off my machine (well, I can, but only I can see it...the firewall prevents anyone, including my boss, from seeing my work if I do it that way). All internal websites are served using a Unix machine running Apache; it's set up with specific website folders, and also to recognize public_html folders under each user (that's new to me, coming from a Windows world); I can copy my files out to my user area on that machine and see them fine. In fact, Dreamweaver sets up beautifully to do that, using either FTP or Samba shares against my Unix public_html folder. No problems so far...change things in DW, save the changes, the changes are instantaneous in my public_html folder, and I just refresh my browser pointed to that page. 3. I don't have any control over the Unix box. In fact, it looks like the people who do are fairly unresponsive (I asked for PHP5 to be loaded several weeks ago and it still needs to be done). So I have limited control over directory structure and no control over Apache (which is essentially fine with me). 4. Internal web development needs to be under change/source management. They want to use a tool they've already invested in (Telelogic's Synergy), which is geared more towards a normal development environment of (non-web) software builds (i.e. regular developers use checkout/checkin/local work areas on the Unix box through terminal emulators to make their changes, do local builds, etc., and the tool is smart enough to pull files needed from the trunk and use local work area changed files to produce a modified build for local testing). Up to this point, internal web development has not been terribly structured and is usually done by interns working over the summer. I'm the first full-time hire to handle the needs. Development was usually done against live sites as the only working copy. What I'd like to get to is a separate Unix development directory with limited access privileges, checkin/checkout processes, rollbacks and diffs and versioning and tags; along with a live area where tagged builds are copied to for release to the general users. I can't use Subversion or other tools that are normally bent to shape for web development (gotta use the Synergy). There will be multiple web devs from multiple locations working on some of the stuff at any given time. I think Synergy is a fairly typical CM system, so I think it will eventually work. My understanding of the existing model is: 1. a (non-web) developer gets assigned a task/bug/fix 2. he/she checks out appropriate files from Synergy; there are scripts in place that essentially make complete copies of the trunk files into the developer's own private work area (on the Unix box); checking out files makes the local files of interest writable (all others are read-only so that changes cannot be made without effort). Changes are made to the checked-out files and a local build is run to produce a testable product, still all located in the developer's private work area. When the build is successful and the changes are approved, the files are checked in (made readable locally), and changes are merged back into the trunk codebase to be included in the next formal library build. Obviously a local build doesn't really care where it is located in the file system; it can be anywhere the developer has control (i.e. his/her work area). 3. web projects must be located somewhere in the file system that Apache is already set up to serve...which means that if I set up a development directory in the file system, I'll want it served up by Apache (no problem so far). But what I want is for the development versions of my web pages to exist in that single development area, not in my work area...i.e. a checkout process should make the file writable but *keep it in the development area that can be served as web*, not in my local work area. In other words, when I open a web page to work on in Dreamweaver, I want the changes to flow directly into the file in the work area on the
Re:[wdvltalk] Changing Hosting Provider
I've used GoDaddy for our family's website for a couple of years now and have been completely happy with them. I don't build a lot of webs for other people but would host them with GoDaddy without a second thought. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] I'm back...again...
On 19/09/06, Furry, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of you longtimers probably will remember me. :-) Dave wrote... Yup I remember you! Good to hear from you again mate. I wouldn't bother with the digest if I were you, the list is dead quiet lately. Today has been the busiest day for probably months! Tim responds: Digest it must be, since I receive it at work. Glad I could stir up a hornet's nest among you, though! :-) Looks like I'm gonna have to crack down on you since most of the related responses were under the Directories thread, though...you're getting sloppy. LOL I remember most of those names...many of them were helpful to me when I started out as a newbie. In a way, I'm starting out again that way...it's been a couple of years since I've done active web development and now I'm in an environment much different than I'm used to. Dave - I still have my Presh award for foulston.com (it's changed since then). :-) Cheryl - I signed up for the MM/DW yahoo group...sounds like it could be a good resource. Unfortunately, I'm now out of the Microsoft world (I kinda feel like I'm balancing on a stool on one leg and one eye closed). I hope to keep up my MS skills at home. One thing this list taught me over the years has absolutely nothing to do with building websites...the fact that there are good people all over the globe, willing to cross boundaries and become friends. I admit, I'm one of those Americans who doesn't get out much...heck, moving from Kansas to Colorado and back was traumatic enough for me and my family. :-) You guys have always broadened my horizons (and secretly made me want to try Australia...). It's like being home again. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] I'm back...again...
Some of you longtimers probably will remember me. :-) Worked at a Wichita, KS law firm from 2001-2004, moved out to Denver to work for the public school system (internal web programming), got laid off early this spring (budget cuts), now I'm back in Wichita working for LSI (they build computer storage products). Doing all internal web programming so you guys will never see it, but moving from ASP classic to PHP which I've never used before, and from Visual Studio to Dreamweaver, and from IIS to Apache. Quite a culture shock. LOL I hope to jump back in and be helpful here...my skills are pretty rusty due to lack of use in Denver but I'm slowly getting back up to speed. I'm glad you people are still around! :-) I'm on the digest so my responses will be delayed. Looking forward to the discussions... Tim Furry The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] recommendations for hosting service
Hi list, A friend and I are getting to the point that we need a serious hosting solution for different development projects. Looking for a U.S. provider, someone who supports .NET 2.0, SQL Server 2000/2005 (multiple databases), etc. Our problem is that the multiple databases get charged per each, and we quickly run up estimates that approach the cost of leasing a dedicated server, and we're not quite to THAT point yet. :-) Was hoping to keep it in the US$ 50-100/month range or so. Any ideas? Thanks, Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] Computer problem update
Robert asked... Tim do you know what model was for the motherboard this happened on? We have several 270's... I would like to fix the problem before having it. Tim responds: I don't have one at my desk, and all the ones close to me are in use so I can't crack one open. :-) I did hit the Dell site with the service tags and it didn't have much info on the motherboard other than that it came with one. Unfortunately, since we've outsourced the upgrading, I probably won't see the inside of another one at all. If you want to email me offlist we could talk about it more. Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] Computer problem update
Riva, I'm just now getting to this thread...was out on vacation. I don't think you mentioned the Dell model...was it by any chance an Optiplex GX270? Our school district bought a boatload of those from Dell, and they're generally good machines, but the motherboard was revised and used a different USB chip that has a tendency to fry itself. Symptoms include frozen video, limited or no USB port response, and eventually total failure to boot. We have recently finished negotiations with Dell to replace ALL the motherboards on these machines (some 900 machines) free of charge with a different version that uses the old chip. Most of the fried machines I've looked at so far have visible burn or scorch marks on the USB chip in the middle of the motherboard, so it's easy to tell. At first we thought it was due to some people's PDAs sucking too much juice through the ports but then we had several fail that weren't supporting *any* USB devices (they were even using PS2 mice). Hope it helps. Tim _ Tim Furry Denver Public Schools The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda
Riva wrote: I remember getting into an e-discussion about websites on a soaping e-mail group. One person claimed that it didn't matter if there were spelling mistakes or typos on her site, it was the product that people came for. I countered that typos and spelling mistakes make a statement about the effort that person puts into things - if they don't care that the website has errors, will they care if the soap is substandard? Tim adds: I've been shopping online for years, and if they can't spell something right, I don't buy from them unless they're the sole source and I gotta have it. If they can't spell correctly, they probably can't pack it correctly either, and they for sure can't service it correctly. Spelling and grammar on a website are such small, simple things to do well that there's no excuse for doing them any other way. Hardnose Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] ASP expert help needed
Riva wrote: I haven't used ASP before and all is going pretty well except that I can't get the message part to appear in the template. The header and footer and background show up fine. I can't figure out what the problem is. !--#include file=inc_menu.asp -- !--#include file=inc_messages.asp -- Tim responds... Riva, the first thing I'd do is take all the blank spaces out of the include statements. That probably won't fix the problem but I've run into several cases where it does (there are blanks between the closing quote and the end comment). Include statements can be kind of picky. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] Asp forum
Cheryl wrote: Web Wiz has way too many nested tables and a bad case of classitis. It is off my list. I'm still looking at the Snitz forum. While there is no doctype that can be fixed and there is less classitis and fewer nested tables. Tim replies: I used Snitz a couple of years ago off of our lawfirm site for a discussion group. While I don't remember looking at its output much, I do remember that it was pretty easy to set up and ran well, and the price was perfect (free!). It was easy to modify too - the files and folders were laid out reasonably well. It's probably improved since then. Tim _ Tim Furry Senior Systems Administrator English Language Acquisition/Planning, Assessment and Research Denver Public Schools 303.405.8163 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] Safari tweaking help
Tyme wrote:
Unfortunately, according to my Mac/Safari tester, that did not work.
Here is what I last tested:
script language=JavaScript type=text/javascript
if(navigator.useragent.indexof(AppleWebKit) -1) {
document.getElementById(tblBannerNav).style.height=88px;
}
//--
/script
The browser detection still appears to be failing.
Tim:
My JavaScript is getting a bit rusty, but it seems I recall that you
need to use indexOf (note the capitalization). Same problem exists if
you don't capitalize getElementById correctly, it just fails when you
use it (I spent an hour once long ago trying to get getElementByID to
work).
I'm not where I can test it, but I noticed both of your posts have it
all lower-case.
Tim
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Re:[wdvltalk] E-mail and computer slowdown
Riva wrote: I ran Task Manager (he is running XP) and his CPU usage was at 100%. I went through the list of processes and googled what I didn't know. Those that could be removed were removed. I also disabled a lot of programs he had starting automatically on start up (like RealPlayer, etc.) When I was done the CPU usage was way down (don't remember the number). Tim responds: CPU at 100% is indicative of a runaway process. I've seen Outlook do it, and I've seen many times when having several IE windows open will do it...you just have to cycle through them and close them one by one, and when the unhappy one closes, everything's back to normal. I'd highly recommend completely dumping RealPlayer - I support about 20 department machines at my job (in addition to my normal duties, since no one else here is techie), and they all know that I will not touch their machines or their problems if they have RealPlayer (or any other Real product) installed. Reduce (better: eliminate) all startup programs. Watch memory use - if it's high, he may need more RAM. If the hard drive is grinding away he may need more RAM as well (i.e. pagefile is being overused). A normal PC with normal workload will poke along at about 2%-5% CPU usage with light spikes for intensive use (disk I/O, etc.). Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE:[wdvltalk] OT mouse arm
Have a look at these sites: http://jaxmed.com/articles/wellness/mouseErgo.html Note the angle of the forearm in the image...essentially flat. It is difficult to get this angle unless you have a very low desk or a dropped keyboard tray (my recommendation - get an adjustable-height tray with a mousepad attached to your dominant hand's side). Ideally your wrist should be an inch or so below your elbow for good blood flow; I use a chair with an adjustable arm, and when my arm is resting on the chair arm, my hand falls naturally on the mouse. My keyboard is perhaps only two inches above my lap when adjusted properly. As others have stated, set your mouse to be able to move to all four corners without moving your wrist...only finger movements should be necessary. Also, as in this image, you'll want your monitor center somewhat below your eye level. Many places will tell you to place it at eye level but in the long run you'll be more comfortable the other way. The tops of my monitors are about 2 above my eyes, and the centers about 4-5 below eye center. http://www.streamingmediaiq.com/resources/tips/1284-eMedia%20Tips.html Not much here but something other places miss: if you use a mouse with a rubber ball, clean it weekly, along with the rollers or whatever it uses to sense motion. I can't begin to tell you how many users I've helped just by cleaning their mouse and speeding up the response. It's not very noticeable but the effort required to make a dirty mouse track well is accumulative. Better yet, get an optical mouse and run it on a solid-color cloth-topped mousepad. The solid color (I use a dark blue or a dark red pad) will improve optical tracking, particularly with Dell opticals. Try various keyboards and mice...I've found that for myself, I prefer a traditional straight keyboard over an ergonomic model (I don't use typical number keying technique and the split keyboard throws me off), and I prefer optical mice over trackballs (too much thumb movement). These combinations have kept me relatively pain-free for many years of programming. But if you're to the pain stage, the ONLY thing that's going to work is to stop whatever it is you're doing...right away. Switch mouse hands. Get your keyboard where it belongs. Get a good chair (it doesn't have to be expensive; you can get good-quality armed height-adjustable chairs for less than $50 now). Stop every five or ten minutes and flex your wrists completely in circles. Get your monitors where they belong and get the refresh rates up as fast as they'll take; make sure the picture is using the full size of the monitor screen as well. Your face should be at least two feet away from a screen. If you're in acute pain (i.e. it doesn't go away overnight and your wrist or arm hurts just thinking about a new day of work), get to a doctor. A little over a year ago I had wrist surgery on my left wrist, with a plate put in, due to a motorcycle accident. I had an excellent doctor who took the time to shape and attach the plate to allow full-range motion...but on top of that, I was careful to keep my ergonomics correct while returning to the job, and it has completely recovered without any signs of carpal problems. I just started doing pushups a month ago, however, and while the wrist is finally up to taking the pressure, I have to psych myself up for them every time. :-) Nothing like three failed bone-set attempts in the ER to make a guy nervous. LOL Tim _ Tim Furry Senior Systems Administrator Denver Public Schools The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] Sound files on website
Riva asked: My client wants to put sermons on his website as a sound file and as text. What format should he put the sound file in? Any advice on how to do this? Tim responds: I know a lot of church sites do this with RealAudio, but personally I'd suggest using MP3 format...it's very cross-platform in support, and usually will play without [questionable] additional software. If all a site offers is RealAudio, I go away fast, and I don't let my kids play there either. :-) MP3 ought to compress nicely for voice-only. Getting to MP3 from the microphone can be done in several ways...many churches tape the services and the tapes can be played back later and recorded into the computer. I think I'd try going straight from the sound board into a PC's sound card, though, and just recording it live to WAV format, and then convert it to MP3 later, avoiding the inevitable tape hiss and noise. With a little playing around (assuming you already have a sound board and a PC to record with) you could probably kick out the MP3s for free (i.e. use Windows Sound Recorder and some freebie format converter). Tim _ Tim Furry Senior Systems Administrator English Language Acquisition/Planning, Assessment and Research Denver Public Schools The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] OT Code in pages vs Code behind pages.
Cheryl wrote: Its biggest advantage as far as I'm concerned is that if you have a designer and developer working together the designer doesn't have to even see much less be able to mess up the code when working on the page. Scott wrote: Hmm, OK. Wondered about that. I've got VS.NET 2003, but due to exigencies of current projects, etc. haven't explored it. So, basically, it's analogous to embedded javascript versus linked javascript, except that the external reference is made inline instead of in the head? Tim adds: Cheryl's point about separation of tasks is one pushed by Microsoft, but I think it's probably a rare instance where developers aren't putting in the design elements themselves (i.e. probably only a really big company might have separation of tasks). Scott, your analogy is very close - with the usually overlooked but important aspect that the linked code is *strictly* code (the code-behind page, no HTML), and thus can be (and is) compiled, with all the usual relevant goodies available (strong typing, compile-time checking, debugging, speed, etc.). That being said, I haven't really used .NET much yet other than simple playing around, and being a Notepad webbie guy from way back, still find it very difficult to think of web pages and sites in an object-oriented way. OOP makes perfect sense for a Windows app - it runs and runs and keeps running until the job is done. Web apps are different - post, push, done; post, push, done - there's no real application continuity (and that's the way it's supposed to be). I think in general .NET for webs ties the browser to the server much more tightly (i.e. onClicks hit the server) and I'm not convinced that's a good thing. I've worked on one web app here at my new job where a former programmer wanted to move the focus from a select box to a text box after a selection was made - and ended up putting in a crazy freebie .NET page of code that hits the server and reloads the page, rather than using just a line or two of JavaScript on the client side to move the focus. Tim _ Tim Furry Senior Systems Administrator English Language Acquisition/Planning, Assessment and Research Denver Public Schools 303.405.8163 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Netscrape 4.7
Dwayne wrote: Just looked at my web on NS 4.7 (which client is supporting side-by-side with IE 6) and alarmed that the CSS styles don't render, embedded tables fall apart, and graphics inside of tables jump out and land elsewhere in the page. This occurs only on the home page and one of the other pages, so quick work-around was to do a check for browser type and if not IE then to redirect to a Netscape-friendly version of the page. However, it takes about 10-15 seconds for the redirect to occur and it seems to load the IE page for ½-second and then jumps. Any ideas? Tim: rudy's idea about using @import works well if you don't mind a functional NS4.7 page vs. a designed NS4.7 page - i.e., you have to dump most of the CSS positioning stuff to get it to work for Netscape. Or you could still use HTML tables for positioning, like I do for our site. I have one code path that works for NN4.x, NN6/7, Opera5/6/7, Mozilla, and IE5/6. I will admit to doing one sniff (I look for Netscape in the User Agent on the server side) and pull in a single-line CSS file that adjusts page margins for Netscape. I could just have easily done it with a response.write from ASP instead of using a separate CSS sheet. It's not fancy or cutting-edge or semantic or even cool, but as a lone developer my time is limited and I *know* that using HTML tables will work the first time across all browsers. And it validates to HTML 4.01 Transitional, which is as good as it's going to get with NS4.7. Tim (already has a thick skin from being slammed so many times for using old tech, but I also know how to pack wheel bearings on a car) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] RE: SharePoint as an intranet
Howard and ravenstudio2, thanks for your comments. I've used STS before as collaboration software and was pretty happy with it in that mode, but I agree that it just doesn't seem suited for informational sites. Sean, I know it's expensive and overkill. :-) Since I'm growing wiser with age, I'm not commenting further at this point on that particular detail. :-) :-) But thanks a bunch for the CM links, I'll be looking at them today. I've hardwired a website for content management on our current site that feeds a database but am looking for other ideas as well. Will - I'm mailing you offlist. Thanks for the info. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: SCR - www.foulston.com
All, Stephen, Bj, Joseph, Scott, Steven, Cheryl, David: thanks for all your comments. To clarify something, I work directly for FS; I'm not a consultant or contractor (I also do all their internal programming). I've addressed some of the comments directly: Stephen wrote: I'm getting a 500 error: Cannot insert duplicate key row in object WhatsNewSubpageNavigation' = with unique index 'PK_Whats New Subpage Navigation'. Tim: I've seen this in the IIS logs, but only randomly and occasionally. I can't force it to duplicate for me. I think I know what the problem is and will be working on it today. When a new user hits the site, the navigation structure is updated; I think there's a record I need to be locking while this happens. Joseph wrote: The one thing that doesn't work for me is the Home graphic. It looks like something that would make a good decoration on a large wall, but at this size is a jumble. Tim: I agree with you, but (and this will apply further down as well) I don't have direct control over the content...meaning that while I do the coding and graphics-building and database work, I don't have final say over the site's appearance or content. The Kansas map was what was originally on our splash page, and didn't look half bad at 500x300, but shrinking it makes it look silly. I tried to talk them out of it but they felt it lent continuity between the old look and the new look, including the now itty-bitty mouseovers. They're trying very hard to identify themselves as a Kansas firm - many other (smaller) firms here have offices or attorneys in neighboring states. Again, I disagree with that direction, but I'm just the programmer here. Scott wrote: Maybe it's the overall color, which seems almost desert-like. Kansas is prairieland, IIRC, but in that case the predominant color should be green, not sere. Tim: It's supposed to be a rich golden color, with brown shadows. Normally Kansas is in fact quite green; but at harvest time (wheat, twice during the summer) is when the money is made and is the high point of a Kansan's annual cycle of life. Gold/yellow - we made it another year. Steven wrote: 1. Small print. Can you offer larger print option button? Seniors tend to need lawyers, and have poor eyesight. Tim: I've been hoping to make it resizable (per rudy), but just haven't reached that yet (it's on my list). 99% of our business is corporate law, not individual, so the site is somewhat geared towards that clientele. I tried to pick a font and size that wasn't as small as many high-verbiage sites (MS, for example) but wasn't so large as to be obnoxious to attorneys. Steven again: 2. A tradition for legal excellence...etc. is not the strongest claim that can be made by this firm. [also other related comments, snipped for brevity] Tim: Steven, I've quickly come to value your input; it's good, solid stuff. I agree with almost all of it, and in fact would like to forward your comments to our marketing director, with your permission. *He's* the guy in charge of content; he's the guy that came up with a tradition for legal excellence (and I argued the validity of the English in that phrase with him for several hours - how can you have a tradition for something???). They hired him a few months after they hired me, and I ended up scrapping my first site version because (as many of you probably know) marketing directors have to plant their mark on a company early and firmly to prove their worth. We got new colors, a new logo, a new branding statement, a new mission statement, etc., etc. all within a couple of months; and they gave him control over the site's look and feel down to the pixel. I'm supposed to implement his wishes (although much of the design is still my own from previous work). I will admit, he has brought them out of the dark ages quite a bit (from print only, no advertising), but he still leans heavily towards print-based stuff and it carries over into the web. You'll probably find typos on the website because he supplies much of the content through a custom CMS doing cut and paste from his Word documents. Cheryl wrote: And make sure that whatever rules the Kansas State Bar Association has regarding websites are complied with. Tim: This is the marketing director's problem. While I am aware of it (and in fact was careful of it before he was hired), the content and responsibility is his. I don't think the Kansas bars are terribly picky about it like some states. However, I think I will send a reminder to him to verify that he's thinking about such things. Good point. David wrote: Does this firm have brand marketing? They may need to call a professional marketing consultant. [...] Professional services web sites need more people working on them than just designers and developers. And they should definitely not write their own copy. Tim: David, you made my day. LOL :-) They *did* hire a professional marketing consultant (the guy I talked about above). He's
[wdvltalk] Happier - a lot, but stupid php undefined function
Joseph wrote: As if the inbuilt faults weren't enough I had to develop one all by myself! The 'form' file that was giving trouble` had entirely the wrong contents!!! I had typed in a php file, which is a later part of the script. Joseph wearing dunces cap and standing in the corner. Tim: We've all been there, Joseph, no need to stand in the corner. Speaking for myself, I still do similar things occasionally and have to step back and take three deep breaths before re-attacking a non-bug. Missing tables, missing procedures, missing permissions [uh, not to mention things like the webserver not being turned on]...it's all a part of the game. All this kind of stuff can happen before you ever code a single line. :-) Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: PHP book update
Bj wrote: ...using various BASICs, C, Assembler (Intel 6502 and VAX Macro-32), microcode, Pascal and COBOL, have been sent on formal short courses in ICL 2966 COBOL and SCL, IBM Rexx/CMS and the Unix Bourne shell, spent over two years programming COBOL for a living and over the past twenty years have played around and done some programming in Z80 assembler, Fortran, LISP, Pilot, MS Quickbasic, MS-DOS batch language, Smalltalk, VAX DCL, Forth, Logo, Prolog, George 3, ICL Plan and DME, IBM 360 Assembler, Visual BASIC and others, even wrote a CESIL interpreter and got some way into inventing a weird language that had a Come from as well as a Go to... Tim: Wild man! :-) You've got me beat by a few. But you haven't lived until you've done RPG II. The logic's already pre-programmed, you just have to tell it what to do when...it was a real mind-bender for me 20 years ago. It's like programming a merry-go-round. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [not OT] Serious advice!!!
rudy wrote: who says a document has to be in a format that might contain some worm or virus? Dave followed with: I just dump M$ Office completely and use OpenOffice, it'll still open/save M$ Office files, but without the absolutely cretinous idea of allowing executable code within a document. Why, oh why, oh why does a document need executable code (macros) in it? The only exception would be spreadsheets... Tim submits a simple example: Our law firm submits dozens of legal documents a day - some to clients, some to the courts, some to other services and users. These documents are not always generated from scratch - otherwise, we'd have dozens of secretaries sitting around pounding on dozens of word processors, making dozens of mistakes in the process. Many of the documents are built from databases using macros or executable code simply because that's the only cost-efficient way of doing so (and accuracy is paramount). Moreover, many documents require change tracking as they're passed back and forth between parties, and must be in a specified format (usually some version of Word or WordPerfect). These activities require scripting that have access to resources (i.e. databases) outside of the the document's sandbox. While I'm not defending executable code in documents as always appropriate, I do see it as a viable solution to many business situations, particularly those that are tightly regulated. I daresay if we were required to fill out two or three dozen electronic forms for each website we build we'd be looking for ways to automate it. :-) Microsoft has always been about giving power to the user...power to accomplish work, yes, but also power to wreck things if misused. Users need to be aware of that power and use it intelligently (uh, training?). [story from my own experience] Nobody blasts motorcycle companies for building and selling crotch rockets, yet every day stupid kids die on them doing stupid stuff. I ride an older motorcycle, carefully, well within the limits of the law, and yet last November still ended up with a broken wrist due to someone else's negligence. Power = responsibility. You don't always need that much power...that's where the market makes room for other solutions, like OpenOffice. Or vi. :-) Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP 316.291.9712 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] RE: Self-employed designer or employee?
Employed full-time by a law firm as web developer. I do the website from gathering specs to going live, including all backend work (ASP/SQL). Also do the secure extranet, intranet, and minor internal web-based apps, as well as support functions (image manipulation, DB work, etc.). Learning Flash on the side, slowly. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] List manager...
I'm on the digest version of WDVL, and I'm still missing Saturday digests. Linda had this working for me at one time and it's recently been acting up again. Any clues? Anybody have a copy of the 3/6/2004 digest they'd care to forward to me? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Thanks. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: Where is the best place for discussion of Web theory? [somewhat OT]
Stephen wrote: If you haven't checked out Peters site [http://www.stigmergicsystems.com], you should. He describes in detail his theories around stigmergic systems and their applications for the web. Most of it is pretty high-brow and somewhat hard to read, but it is certainly interesting. Tim: I spent some time reading through this yesterday...rather fascinating. I do see one problem with one of his unstated assumptions, however - that humans will serve community before they serve themselves. I don't think that's necessarily true. His example of a bookmark pool built by unrelated people assumes that the people involved will perceive that the pool is valuable to them and worth contributing high-quality information. IOW, I don't think you'll get quality bookmarks submitted unless the submittors (sp?) are motivated to do so - and if they're motivated, I'm thinking they're just as likely to start their own little pool instead of contributing to the general pool, and then charge admission for their higher quality bookmarks. For example, I point to the several web development resource sites that only 2-3 years ago used to be free and open to the public. As they were building content, the content was classified and the not-so-good stuff tossed out...now they have fairly good articles and archives but they also now charge to access their content. This has happened to several sites I used to frequent. I'll use myself as another example - while I consider myself to be a reasonably decent programmer, I still buy books. The value of someone else's collected wisdom is worth more than the few dollars I spend on it (and it usually generates some time savings as well). Some people are self-employed because they perceive the benefits to themselves to outweigh the benefits of working for someone else. Some people work for others for the opposite reason. In either case, the intellectual property generated is their meal ticket - their edge in the market, if you will. Few people work for free because it's nice to go to bed at night with a full belly. Even in the case of open-source software, developers really aren't contributing for free - there is name recognition and peer group support as benefits (among other probable returns). I think open-source could only be truly organic in Peter's sense if it was all done anonymously (i.e. we wouldn't know about Linus Torvald). Oddly enough eastern cultures like China, which are usually predispositioned to value the collective over the individual, are jumping on the western economic bandwagon. Ever look at McDonald's Happy Meal toys? They're all made in China - well-made, I might add - and those toys don't benefit the manufacturing individuals in any other way other than monetarily. The people aren't working for free, even though they value contributing to the bigger picture more than western mindsets do. Don't get me wrong. On the whole, I think people that are generally happy and well-fed will be occasionally selfless and contribute to community goals (i.e. advance the quality of the organism). Strangely enough, I also see survival of the fittest - i.e. self-preservation at the individual level - as being one of the strongest opponents to survival of the organism - i.e. the group. It wasn't so long ago we had enough nuclear arsenals to blow ourselves up many times over...the fittest would have survived, but most likely the fittest would have been agrarian rural peasants far away from the blast zones. :-) It doesn't do Tarzan any good to survive the jungle if he has no mate. To bring it all home, I continue reading and contributing to this list because I value the collective wisdom and knowledge of the other participants. If you all weren't as smart and nice, I'd probably go away. LOL Cool stuff. If you're still reading this, I'm surprised. :-) Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] RE: Please Help--Getting my Web Design Out of the Box
Janet wrote: When working with a small budget site, images are often hard to come by. Most of my customers are not design-focused so it doesn't make any difference to them-- but I would like to make my sites more artistic/elegant/not sure of the right word--but I know it when I see it! I was just looking for a book or other resource that had samples of well-designed/artistic (but very functional) sites to give me lots of ideas that would spur my own creativity. Tim: Janet, I know exactly where you're at, and I'm in the same boat...I've been looking for ideas to take our corporate site to the next level of graphical appeal. I'm not a designer by nature but know when something is well-designed. I think you're on the right trail - knowing what you like is sometimes half the problem solved. So far, I've decided that images do contribute to the artistic/elegant site, but I've seen sites without images that feel the same way through judicial use of color and font. Oddly, most of the law firm sites that received awards last year were ugly as sin; it seemed that the one quality the reviewers looked for was news - i.e., a bit of text or streaming stuff that gave the user the impression that the site was fresh content every day (it wasn't, of course). Can you believe one law firm named their site http://www.mofo.com;? That had our marketing director laughing on the floor for several minutes. I'll be following up on these suggestions; I'm wanting to learn this, too. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: (OT) strange email
Amanda wrote: The bad english used in the message is another clue that this isn't legit. Tim wonders: Most of the scams I've seen use bad English...that's one of the earmarks I look for first. If a legit company can't take the time to use correct language, why would I bother responding to them? More than two grammatical errors = big flashing lights to me. :-) If I'm pretty sure it's legit (i.e. someone I know), and they've made that many errors, I usually comment on it to them. At any rate, I never gave my credit card company my email address, so I never expect to hear from them using that method. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] SCR http://www.ingentus.com/clients/ifg/index.htm
jac wrote: don't know about this one... the client was looking for something funky, young and memorable as the majority of his clients would be young couples (first time buyers) - kinda like the last thing you'd expect of a mortgage site. But...I don't know if I got it right and I'm blue in the face from looking at it and messing around with it - can someone please have a look and let me know what they think. the homepage (index), about us first time buyers are linked. Obviously there's a lot to be done to the pages but I don't want to go any further until I get someone else's opinion other than my own. Tim: What, no Flash? No hip-hop beat in the background? No spinning gifs? LOL Although you're messing with an unusual color scheme (and very different from your usual design output), I kind of like it...it's definitely different than what a first-time user would expect. Only thing I'd change would be the text content header from the yellow to the maroon...the yellow (or orange, whatever you prefer) isn't very easy to read on a white background, at least for me. Might end up using some other design element to pull the yellow back in if you change the text. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: Drop down menus
Cheryl wrote: Is this the one Matthew was referring to http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html They work on IE 6. Tim: And they're completely broken in NN4.7 - doesn't even serve up readable text (black on black). sigh I wish my company would give up supporting that browser, or at least let me feed out a text version of the site for it. I *still* have to use image-based tabled menu navigation because it doesn't support CSS well and they want a pixel-perfect rendition. Not that any of them ever actually look at it with Netscape. :-) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] Develop for IE!!
Matt wrote: If it works in Mozilla and validates, then I know it is standards compliant, and it will work in future browsers. Ross replied: Validation is the key (as also pointed out by Amanda) Tim wonders: I'm not convinced anything standards compliant will work in future browsers. A heck of a lot of stuff that works in NN4.7 doesn't work in NN6 or 7, and I've gathered that some stuff that works in IE6 doesn't work in 6 (although I've not confirmed that). The problem with the whole W3C thing is that it's retroactive - browsers come out with features, and after awhile the features end up in the standard. That's fine while a technology is developing, but killer once the tech matures. Just like the nobr tag discussed awhile back - it should have been in the standard but it's not, and there's no other good solution for it using standards that I'm aware of (but I don't know everything). What if a new standard version drops support for more deprecated tags and/or CSS? It's not like it hasn't happened before. Now that we're in the flux created by the interesting combination of no more development on the world's most common browser (IE), there's a vacuum being created that will probably bring other more standards-compliant browsers up in the market. Will IE die? I doubt it - NN4.7 is still around. So we'll just have an even more diverse pot of browsers to test and work around, each with their associated quirks. I'm sorry, in my dictionary standards means that it works everywhere (i.e. a 15 tire will *always* mount on a 15 wheel, a 1/2 pipe thread will always fit a 1/2 pipe thread, and both have been happening for 50 years), no hacks required. We're not there yet. Tim frustrated by the NN4.7 thing, and just venting...sorry The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: JavaScript question
Jim wrote: Here are some URLs which offer chromeless window scripts: http://www.dhtmlshock.com/window-scripts/Chromeless/default.asp http://www.xentrik.net/javascript/chromeless.php# Interestingly, while both examples above have width and size specs, my MSIE 6 browser opens them full-screen. According to http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex8/chromeless.htm The dynamic drive script, it's not MSIE changing the specs, but the operating system affecting the code (some kind of security precaution?). Tim responds: Also interestingly, none of the above work on my W2K/IE6 combination. I get an icon in the taskbar with no control - can't close it, can't open it, nothing's showing on the screen. Have to kill it with Task Manager. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] RE: XML help (I'm a beginner)
Robert, thanks for the link. Checking it out now. Tim === Try this link. Download System Documentation 3.2.0 http://www.myitforum.com/downloads/default.asp?srt=42w=3se=VB+Scriptin gp=2 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Data set is too big
Bill wrote: When the output is a html table it says: Provider error '80004005' Unspecified error /myreport.asp, line 644 line 644 is: objRS.movefirst (goto the first line in the record set) When the output is excel the error occurs after you accept the file download: Internet Explorer cannot download myreport.asp from mysite. Internet Explorer was not able to open this Internet site. The requested site is either unavailable or cannot be found. We are building the file on the server then downloading or displaying it. These report have been working since January but we just upgraded hardware and now we have a problem. Go figure :-) TIA, Bill Tim replies: After some research, it looks like most of the 80004005 errors are related to Access DB connections; if you're using Access, here's some suggestions I collated from various places: 1. Upgrade the your version of MDAC (I think 2.7 is the latest stable version). http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft. com:80/support/kb/articles/q225/0/42.aspNoWebContent=1 2. Double-check the connection string for correct permissions; sometimes username and password are needed even when not required. Better yet, move to a DSN-less connection. 3. Make sure your TEMP folder (usually C:/temp) is present and has adequate permissions, if using Access (we fought this problem on some new machines, and it's a common problem with new hardware). You may need to tweak environment variables to make sure the TEMP folder is recognized. Access uses the TEMP folder to do intermediate work. http://www.aspfaqs.com/aspfaqs/ShowFAQ.asp?FAQID=115 4. Make sure you're not using any reserved words as field or column names. 5. Other suggestions regarding MDAC and Access: http://www.aspfaq.com/show.asp?id=2009 They recommend MDAC 2.8; I don't know that I'd go that far...we've used MDAC 2.7 successfully for awhile. 2.5 is considered quite stable as well. 6. If using Access, make sure nothing else is connected to it at the same time the ASP is running, including IDEs like InterDev. Another thought (for the download version): IE shouldn't be trying to download the myreport.ASP file. Might want to check MIME types for Excel. I haven't downloaded Excel files myself, but usually when a browser tries to directly download an ASP file there's either something screwy with permissions or the page code. Might want to verify that the file is actually being built on the server (and has enough time to complete building, for long ones) before the download is attempted. Hope one of these helps. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Data set is too big
Bill wrote: I have an asp page that creates and runs a sql statement and sends the results back to the user as an excel file. It works really well until the data set gets too big - 1500 records. If the file is too big it crashes when downloading the excel file. I changed the page to build an html table instead and this crashes also. The error message indicates that it crashed trying to go to the first record - objRS.movefirst. Tim: Bill, what's the exact error message you're getting? Are you building an Excel file on the server and then downloading it to the browser, or dumping down data a record at a time? ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: CDOSYS email form adding attachment
jac wrote: OK I'm gonna scream!!! this thing is driving me mad for the last 3 hours. Stephen responded: It looks to me like you're missing a step. This is all theory, because I've never had reason to send an attachment in an automated email, but... I'm pretty sure all that the script will have access to is what is on the server (or depending on your configuration, the local network). I believe you'll need to upload the document via a separate script, then point your cdosys routine at the local copy of this attachment, after which you could use fso to delete the file or just archive it, whichever you desire. Tim adds: You might consider looking at ASPUpload (www.aspupload.com) - it's an ASP component by Peter Persits that allows uploading files to either memory or hard drive. I've had good success uploading data and files to memory and then storing them in a database without writing anything to the drive...you could probably adapt that method to upload the attachment from the user to memory and attach it directly to the CDO email. It has a fully-functioning trial period that lets you set it up and test it before buying. Only problem is that you'll have to install it on the production server (some hosts already provide it). Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: accessibility question
Michael wrote: can't help you with example web sites but this is a useful link as a start: http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/index.jsp mind you there are a couple of 'quirks' that you may find irritating however I find it a useful adjunct to the W3C validators Tim: I never could get Bobby to validate against our site...it always gives me a connection error, without specifying what the problem is. The server is out in a DMZ and we use internal DNS rerouting to get our local domain out to it, so I can't ever check it directly. Anybody got ideas? www.foulston.com Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] SCR: http://www.tipsandscripts.com
Exhausted jac wrote: guys, over the last week or so I've revamped the site wanted your opinions any mistakes you may spot. http://www.tipsandscripts.com Tim: jac, don't know if you care about Netscape 4.7x on Windows, but the left menu has a strange problem where the little triangles overlay the text of the link. Also the body has the default 10px white border (margin). If you like I can send a screenshot; neither are particularly big items. I think it's time somebody put together an index of jac's sites to use as design inspiration. :-) I've been rather burned out on blue stuff lately but this is very nice. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] IIF in SQL server
For rudy, particularly... Copied and pasted right from my query analyzer: 'iif' is not a recognized function name. Am I missing something? Is IIF only a part of Analysis Services? That's where the BOL seems to indicate it's useful. TIA, Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: ASP posts - Age range in SQL query
rudy wrote: where year(date()) - year(DOBfield) - iif(month(date()) month(DOBfield),0, iif(month(date()) month(DOBfield),1, iif(day(date()) day(DOBfield),1,0))) between 30 and 40 Tim: Dang, rudy, you did it to me again - I didn't know SQL supported an iif! Just like VB. :-) Now I've got about 100 stored procedures to go rewrite... Tim never stops learning The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Small town
Dave wrote: We actually do very well with anything that requires programming (my personal forte). We can get away with charging the client $150 to $200/hour for database work. rudy replied: holy $deity i don't charge anywhere near that, and i think i'm pretty good at databases i'm obviously doing something *way* wrong if you can get that i'm not saying you aren't worth it, just that i probably am too Tim sez: Yeah, me too. I wouldn't class myself with rudy, but... wow. :-) Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: Laptop to Plasma Screen
Jac, As others have mentioned, a plasma screen will have at the minimum an S-video input connector; however, you'll have to get audio from somewhere, too. If your laptop is fairly recent, it very likely may already have an S-video connector on it, so you'll just need a cable. You can grab audio from the sound card output jack. Otherwise, you may need a SVGA video to TV adaptor. We used one of these to drive several large TV monitors for a large conference. They're okay, but not great. One thing I haven't seen anyone else mention is that plasma screens, if they're designed for TV viewing, aren't going to have a great resolution. In other words, if your presentation is over 800x600 in size it's going to be unreadable. We had one system that was barely readable at 640x480. For NTSC video (USA), 440 x 480 is the maximum usable resolution; the brain fills in the rest of the detail, particularly color detail. You might want to read http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/vidres.htm. Some European nations (notably UK and Germany) use PAL format which has a higher resolution but slower frame refresh (50Hz vs. 60Hz). France and a few other countries use SECAM format which is similar to PAL. Whichever one is used where you are, though, is still going to look fuzzy compared to a good PC monitor. Good luck - share your adventure when you get it running! :-) Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP w The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Credit card processors
Kishore, Sol, Ravi, Michael - thanks for your input and suggestions. I'm going to be looking into all of them today. We already have a merchant account; all I really need is a credit card transaction servicer. At this point I'm not even sure I need a shopping cart solution; we'll only have a few items available (maybe 5 for any given month), so I'm still thinking that one out. I have some complexities I deal with that probably won't allow a standard cart to fit in (website is based on a one-way replicated database). I'm also trying to keep the commercial side of the site to a minimum impact...it's not the prime reason for existence. Thanks! Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Credit card processors
Anybody have recommendations for a credit card processor service provider? I've looked into YourPay.com (through Commerce Bank) and VeriSign's Payflow Link, and they both have problems that are significant to me (YourPay = no customization, Payflow = declined transactions end up in limbo). Ideas? Horror stories? I really don't know what to do at this stage; I'm frustrated at the quality of both that I've tested. TIA, Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: SSL on part of website
I originally asked: Any of you guys/gals ever worked with SSL? Is it possible to put SSL on only a subsection of a website (i.e. a part where we're collecting private data)? I've set up websites where SSL was placed on a complete site, but never a subsection. I'm not even sure of the correct terminology - I hear subweb thrown around, but can't find a solid definition for it. How would I go about doing this? Robert responded: Yes, but I only know how to do it with IIS. Me, again: Ah, pardon me. We're running IIS5 on Win2K servers. Been reading some more...it looks like I need to move the SSL stuff to a separate folder, add it to the website as a virtual directory, set the VD as its own web application, and then apply SSL to that web application (i.e., subweb). Is that about right? Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] OT) IRC client
Koafar: Could anyone recommend a good, free IRC client for Windows machine? Thanks in advance. Tim: See if this works for you: http://www.trillian.cc/trillian/index.html There's a Pro version for $$$, but they have a free Windows version (v.74) that I've been using and it seems to be fine. Connects to ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo and IRC. No spyware or ads. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Sorting ADO recordsets
rudy suggested: select contactID, (fname + ' ' + lname) as fullname, email from contacts where active = 1 order by case when lname is null then '999' else lname end , case when fname is null then '999' else fname end , email however, it's a nice technique to know if the fields are empty rather than null (in which case you test lname='' instead of lname is null) Tim: Sweet, rudy. :-) Little stuff like this make me realize how much I still need to learn, even though I've been building SQL databases for 3-4 years now. My usual approach to a problem like this is to do a couple of sub-selects and then UNION them. It'd be interesting to compare speeds between the two methods. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Avoid the address toolbar
Peter asked: Is there a way that programmatically we can deactivate the address toolbar whenever a specific page is loaded? rudy suggested: you can open the page in a popup window with no chrome but that approach has problems too specifically: smart users can figure that out your time would be better spent not trying to prevent them from doing that, but dealing with the situation constructively assume there'll always be somebody who tries to hack the url Tim: I spent a good deal of time working on our site assuming the user would hack the URL. In my case, most of it is protecting against SQL injection hacks, but there's a couple of places where it would just lead them off into 404 land. rudy's suggestion of handling the situation constructively is the best solution, even though it's the most work. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: say bye bye to Netscape
Perry wrote: I don't see how this event improves our lot as web designers. Drew replied: I don't think we've even reached the full dark of night. Tim: Sadly, I'm inclined to agree, after thinking about it on and off through the day. The only redeeming factor would be that with Netscape in a no-more-development mode, a generic API might be attainable to handle its oddities...but NN4.x will still be troublesome. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Style Sheets
Cheryl wrote: I totally agree, I don't expect my pages to look exactly the same cross browser/platform and at all screen resolutions. If a 3px jog ever drove me to the point I needed to use hacks so it wouldn't be there on any browser it would be time for me to find a new line of work. Tim responds: Unfortunately, my job requires that our site be pixel-perfect across IE4+ and Netscape 4.7+. 3px will drive me buggy because it drives the PTB buggy. If it weren't for that low-end Netscape, it wouldn't be so bad; but my CSS is limited to font stuff, mostly, since I'm forced to do table layout for NN4.7. Not using any hacks at this point, and only have to browser-sniff for a couple minor details. However, I'm sure it blows on Mac because I don't have access to any Macs to test it and they're not interested in it. They're talking about maybe dropping NN4.7 support in a year or two after Boeing upgrades their corporate browser (if they ever do). Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please
Myself, previously: A lot of older people in our town do that during the day to keep cool, and it's encouraged by both the malls and the local authorities. Getting your brain to work when your body's not happy is difficult. Andrew: Oh oh. Implying that Jan is an older people? Jan: ouch! Joseph: Just ignore the young whippersnapper! Eh! What??! Myself: LOL! Okay, okay...apology offered if needed. I meant no such interpretation. :-) Sorry, humor doesn't work well when I'm on the digest...everybody beats me to the punchline. I was only suggesting a solution to the heat that is well-tested here in Kansas (the other Oz). It works for non-older people as well. [/me halts before inserting other foot] Jan admits: Yeah, I'm sure he meant well. Besides, I do go to the mall for the air conditioning sometimes. Myself: Of course I meant well. :-) LOL And I'm stopping here before I get into any more trouble. Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Hello Again!
Matt wrote: This is just a quick test to make sure I can post to this list and to say that I'm back (if any of you remember me from about 18months ago)! Hope this list is still the hive of activity it used to be, look forward to helping and being helped once again. Tim: Welcome back, Matt! Yep, the list is still busy, with occasional ups and downs. It's all good, though. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Check layer for me please
Jan wrote: I just can't get enough liquid in me lately, always thirsty. Even with the air on, it's really hot out. Also, the air conditioner here in my apt only throws out cool air for about 3 feet, so it's not really cool. Last trip to the fridge to get some refrigerated cold water, it was hot and I wanted to crawl into the fridge. Yep, it's summer something. Tim: Know what you mean; it was 110F/43C here yesterday. While it doesn't bother me that much, it completely devastates my kids. The AC has trouble keeping it down to 80F/27C in the house. I really need to finish the rest of the windows and the insulation. If you're close to a shopping mall, go hang out there for awhile. A lot of older people in our town do that during the day to keep cool, and it's encouraged by both the malls and the local authorities. Getting your brain to work when your body's not happy is difficult. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Servers: Unix vs. Windows
Paul wrote: Actually .Net's CLI has been standardized by ECMA as well as it C#. So there could be a .Net implementation for *nix. I went to a MS DevDays on .Net some time ago and asked about implementation of .NET in *nix and they said that they heard of one but it wasn't ready yet. Maybe it is now. Unfortunately I dunno where you could get info on it. Maybe google can help... Tim: Try this: http://www.go-mono.com/ ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] OT: was local link?
Rudy wrote: holy cow -- no pun intended ;o) -- this guy's pretty good!! Is it possible to live in this world without a belief - not change beliefs, not substitute one belief for another, but be entirely free from all beliefs, so that one meets life anew each minute? This, after all, is the truth: to have the capacity of meeting everything anew, from moment to moment, without the conditioning reaction of the past, so that there is not the cumulative effect which acts as a barrier between oneself and that which is. http://kfa.org/teachings_fear.htm ... meets life anew each minute? i do that ;o) that happens a lot as you grow older... Tim: Yeah, I've started to notice it in me, too. :-) So the ideal is that people should be stateless? Like a browser? :-) Not to start a philosophical discussion, but I'd submit that truth has the capacity to outlast any cumulative effect of conditioning, if it is truly truth; and that the ideal human condition is not so much to be free of beliefs as to examine beliefs, lay aside those that are false, and keep those that are good. Look at all the energy we expend trying to overcome the shortfall of stateless browsers...without some sort of continuity, all we can do is present information. I'd like to have a long one-on-one conversation with Krishnamurti. :-) Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP 316.291.9712 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: anyone know what this error means and how to fix it?
Deb wrote: The following errors were found: Sorry, but I cannot figure out who sent you here. Your browser is not sending an HTTP_REFERER. Please use the back button to correct these errors. Paul added: Just did the same tests (test/333-333- the puterbug/333-333-) and it worked. The next thing would be that your host does not allow forms to be submitted unless it knows who is sending the data, this issue is resolved by testing/(logging?) the HTTP_REFERER header. Headers are sent BY the browser TO the server. So logically speaking, if the server is not getting the header, this should mean that the browser is not sending it. What browser are you using? did you tweak it recently? Can you try with another browser on your machine? And David suggested: I think you'll most likely find that your formmail.php script will have something in it which tries to get the HTTP_REFERER. It's not a great approach for a form handler to do that, since sometimes browsers won't send the HTTP_REFERER (even if they have submitted the form to get there, and not gone directly). A much better approach is to just log every request which didn't have a referrer, but let it continue anyway. Tim sez: The HTTP_REFERER (I shudder at the spelling) is usually used to determine where the browser is coming from when it submits information - in other words, checking it can help prevent someone pulling down your page's source, changing a few values, and submitting it in an attempt to hack your site; the HTTP_REFERER would point to whatever server they were submitting the page from, instead of your webserver. I've been working on a secure extranet and this is one method of hack prevention (you always want the HTTP-REFERER to be YOUR server, nothing else). Unfortunately, the CGI or ASP doesn't always get the HTTP_REFERER back from the browser...some browsers don't send it, sometimes it gets stripped in transmission, and if the browser was opened cleanly to your page (no prior pages) it simply won't be there. It's not considered stable enough to use as a major security plug, it's just sort of an extra thing you can check. David's idea is probably the best - check it and log attempts that don't have it or where it's incorrect. In fact, I like that idea a lot...I've been pondering exactly what to do myself. Thanks, David! :-) So *many* things in web development *almost* work. It's like building a house in the middle of a river. :-) Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Omaha.com; No sign truck braked before hitting bridge
Jan wrote: What's weird is that when I clicked on the link, it opened a mini window and that picture had the watermark on it. Just for curiosity, I right clicked and saved the picture and there is no watermark on that one. Don't you think the saved picture should have the watermark on it too? Mary of Omaha responded (do any of you remember Mutual of Omaha???): Well I was wondering the same thing myself! When I right clicked on the actual article photo, ie; the smaller picture, my browser came back with a disabled feature. (IE 6.0) So I saved the whole web page to my hard to check the pic's! It is strange that the smaller photo had no watermark Even in my photoshop! I guess they feel that viewers are more likely to steal the larger photos and copyright them as opposed to copyrighting the smaller pictures?!!?! I thought it was an interesting topic for more discussion here. Just some food for thought here! Tim: This is pretty much standard practice...the small thumbnails don't have any watermarks, but are small enough and grainy enough that they're essentially unusable in production. The big versions are watermarked to help prevent theft. We ended up buying about 30 small pics for our website (on the practice area pages); in most of those cases, we *could* have used the free comp version of the images (small low-res ones designed for page layout checking), but did the right thing and purchased full versions of each one and shrunk them to the size we wanted. If you visit image sources like Getty, you'll see this all over their site - small comp images with no watermarks, and the larger ones with them. Paying for them gets you a version without the watermark. Tim wondering if any of his old photos are worth US$30 a pop... ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: [SCR] www.innishannon...
Jac, Somehow the orange works for me, too...wasn't sure about it at first with the others' comments, but...it's Irish. :-) It was enough to give me the itch to go to the rally. Since I'm an editor at heart, here's a few minor details: Accommodations page: Articulated Truck is misspelled (left column). Entry form: read the following carefully:- -- might want to delete the dash. Entry form, point 7: Any exhibits after this willl -- will is misspelled. Entry form, point 12: Childern -- children is misspelled Entry form, point 12: might want to say Children under 16 years of age are forbidden to drive at any time. If you say at all times, someone might interpret that to allow perhaps some of the time. :-) What's stackmaking? Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Back Ups
jac asked: ...if you've got a minute can you recommend a method of backing up files. Erich suggested: Do you have a CD or DVD burner? I was backing up my home machine on CD's with no problem. If you don't have a burner consider that a great investment and write it off. CD burners are now getting very reasonable... And Mark added: Second Hard Drive. Copy. Paste. Or Second Computer on Network. Copy. Paste. Tim sez: I use both methods. The midrange hard drives are getting cheap (I can pick up a new Western Digital 40GB drive for about US$60). CD burners are very dependable now and the blank media is running about 20 cents each in quantity. I've had excellent luck with HP burners. As far as web development goes, the CDs are perfect - when I get a site to a nice done stage, it gets burned to a CD, but I leave the CD open. As things change I can move the updated files out to the CD too, if I want. I try to package things so that if a server gets toasted I can throw the CD in the new server and have the site back up in just a few minutes. The second hard drive is great too, since it's quite fast. Depending on your situation, you might want to consider the formatting options (NTFS, FAT32, etc.) in case it must be moved to another machine for recovery. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Forcing file downloads from ASP
Subject: Re: List down? rudy: we've solved all the problems ;o) Tim: LOL. Leave it to rudy to point out the obvious that we've all overlooked. :-) You made my day. Okay, I'll ask a question, then. I've been struggling with this for about a day or so with not much success. I've got an ASP page that looks at a specific folder on the server and displays a list of the files that are in it. I want to enable the user to click on a filename to download it, but don't want the file displayed in the browser (i.e. if it's a file like .gif, .pdf, etc. - I want to force a download for the file, not display it). Clients are all IE5/6. So I have each filename set up as an HTML anchor (so it's clickable) but not with an href (so it doesn't try to redirect). When the user clicks the filename, I put the filename in a hidden input area and post to another ASP page to download the file. Everything's working fine - it downloads both text and binary files, forces the download dialog, etc. But I end up with the download ASP page/window that just sits there after the download is complete, and I don't know how to close it. I can't put any JavaScript like window.close() in it or it becomes part of the file download. Ideally I'd like to not have to open the window at all, but the only way I can think of doing that is that when the user clicks a filename it should post back to itself, but I thought once you start dinking with the response headers and contenttype that the page won't ever recover. Here's the code I'm using in the download ASP page (more or less ripped off one of the dev help sites): Dim strAbsFile, strFileExtension, objFSO, objFile, objStream strAbsFile = Session(Path) \ Request.Form(filename)'set absolute file location Set objFSO = Server.CreateObject(Scripting.FileSystemObject) If objFSO.FileExists(strAbsFile) Then Set objFile = objFSO.GetFile(strAbsFile) Response.Clear Response.AddHeader Content-Disposition, attachment; filename= objFile.Name Response.AddHeader Content-Length, objFile.Size Response.ContentType = application/octet-stream Set objStream = Server.CreateObject(ADODB.Stream) objStream.Open objStream.Type = 1'set to binary Response.CharSet = UTF-8 objStream.LoadFromFile(strAbsFile)'load the file into the stream Response.BinaryWrite(objStream.Read)'send the stream in the response objStream.Close Set objStream = Nothing Set objFile = Nothing Else'file doesn't exist Response.Clear Response.Write(No such file exists.) End If Set objFSO = Nothing Ideas? Can I post back to the same page and get a download dialog, and then have the page re-render as normal? Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: [MySQL] InnoDB - Updating a parent table won't update the child table - HELP
Paul wrote: I thought about that one but the result will be that if I want to have, let's say, a list of employees and their associated groups, I would have to make a UNION select on the 2 tables to get the associated employee_groups.grp_name since employees.emp_group only contains the ID of the group name. So only to avoid that, I would prefer to keep the actual pk/fk mapping. Your solution is somehow interesting since updating employee_groups.grp_name DOES NOT affect the employees table. What do you think is better? Keep the existing setup and bang my head against the wall to find out why it won't work or change to the one you proposed? Taking into consideration the issue I pointed out above (the UNION stuff). Tim sez: Paul, I don't know anything about MySQL, but some general searching brought up these interesting things you might want to check. I agree with you, updating the child table shouldn't affect the PK/FK mappings at all unless you're trying to change the child table's FK/PK. Weird. These two sites suggest you need to check the version level of your MySQL (for cascade support): http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/8/2002/5/0/8813034/ http://www.riverside.org/archive/html/mysql/2003-02/msg00392.html The order in which you declare the ON DELETE/ON UPDATE cascades may be important: http://www.faqchest.com/prgm/mysql-l/mysql-03/mysql-0302/mysql-030207/my sql03020615_23303.html Probably won't help, but maybe it will. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: [DTS] Access 97 to MSSQL 2000 headache
Forgot to mention...in the stored procedure you might want to wrap all the update/insert/delete code inside a transaction. That way if for some reason it fails, it will roll the SQL table back to the way it was before and all you'll need to clean up is the temp table. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: [DTS] Access 97 to MSSQL 2000 headache
Stephen wrote: I am porting over some information from an Access 97 DB to MSSQL 2000 and am using scheduled DTS (data transformation services) to do it. Problem: on the first run, it creates the table fine, but when executing manually or on a schedule, it does not update the existing table... The only thing I have thought of to remedy this is to use the DTS 'Execute SQL Task' to drop the table before creating it again... but this can't be the best way to do this. I am creating one table in MSSQL 2000 out of selected data from two tables in Access 97. There are around 2000 records being brought over. The data I am pulling from these two tables emulates how the data will be structured once the legacy system is phased out. I would like to have DTS update the information in our new system daily. I'm not against dropping and recreating, but I can foresee problems if someone happens to query the DB in the middle of an update. here's an update: apparently the DTS is actually taking place, it seems to be appending the rows rather than updating them though... As cruddy as that is, I actually feel a little better, because I have something to go on. Any ideas? Tim responds: Sorry for the late reply, I get the digest version of WDVL, and not over the weekend. :-) You'll need to look at what kind of data you're transferring. Basically you have the choice of copying data (like your current DTS is doing), which means it just appends the records from the Access tables to the SQL table. Since it's already doing this it would indicate that you aren't using primary keys; otherwise the DTS would croak about data integrity violations on the second (and future) runs. I assume you *don't* want the records appended, since you'll end up with a bunch of duplicate data. Also assuming you don't want to drop and recreate the table each time, you've got three problems to solve: 1. If the data record from the Access tables already exists in the SQL table, you just want to update the SQL table with the data from the Access tables. 2. If the data record from the Access tables doesn't exist in the SQL table, you need to insert it into the SQL table. 3. If a data record was deleted from the Access tables, but still exists in the SQL table, you'll need to figure out how to grab it and delete it from the SQL table. I don't think you can do this kind of updating with a DTS package...after building several of them to mess around with, I couldn't find any options that allowed this kind of work. So you'll have to do something else. I've done stuff like this before and here's how I solved it: 1. Set up primary keys of some sort on both the SQL and Access tables. 2. Set up an additional column in the SQL table - I usually make mine a bit field and name it To Be Deleted. 3. Set up a DTS package that copies the data from the Access tables to a temporary SQL table (drop the temp table first if it pre-exists). This part is similar to what you're already doing. 4. Write a stored procedure that parses the temp table and compares it to the existing SQL table. It should follow logic something like this: A. set the To Be Deleted field of all the records in the SQL table to 1. B. read the first(next) record from the temp table. You'll need to use a cursor for doing this. C. if there's a matching PK in the SQL table, update the record in the SQL table with data from the temp table, making sure to set the To Be Deleted field back to 0. D. if there's not a matching PK in the SQL table, insert the data from the temp table into the SQL table, making sure to set the To Be Deleted field to 0. E. loop until you're out of records in the temp table. F. all the records left in the SQL table marked 1 in the To Be Deleted field were already deleted from the Access tables, so you need to delete them from the SQL table now. G. at this point, your SQL table should be up to date, and all the To Be Deleted fields should be 0. 5. Set up a daily task that runs the DTS first, and upon successful completion, runs the stored procedure. Whew. Yucky, isn't it? Not very glamorous. Maybe other listers have better ideas. :-) Usually things are done the other way around...SQL publishing/replicating to Access. That's a lot easier. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Access 97 to MSSQL 2000 headache
Eddie wrote: When I'm on tour I create article and Pictures. They are stored in a mySQL DB. When I want to update this DB I will not connect directly to the mySQL DB on the Server as this would cost me to much (over Satellite). So I was thinking on following option. Step 1: I'm creating with Access a DB Structure as is on mySQL. There I will fill in my Reports. From Access I make an Export into a .sql file. Once it's done I'll send this .sql file to the Server. Step 2: A Robot on the Server should look in a specific folder. If the .sql file is found the Robot should 'Append' the content of this file into the mySQL DB on the Server. Question: - Is it possible to have Access export data in a mySQL readable Form? - How is a Robot programmed on the Server to 'Find and Execute' certain commands? This approach I choose because I want to reduce the Online time and keep the Data Volume to transmit on a minimum. Tim: I don't have any experience with MySQL, but this could be done with MSSQL and Access rather easily, I think. Depending on whether you store your pictures as graphics in the database or not, you could export a comma-delimited text file from Access that should be importable into just about any DB system. Graphics in the DB could be problematic, though...that might take a bit more work. I know there are other listers with MySQL experience...ideas, anyone? Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: FW: centering a page
J.R. wrote: I went back and tried it again, and it works on my test case (don't know what I screwed up before.) Tim sez: One thing I've learned to do, since I usually test with IE first, is to do the Tools / Internet Options / General / Delete Temporary Internet files quite often - sometimes with every code change. Even with ASP pages, if I make changes in the associated .css files, the browser cache doesn't recognize the changes and loads up the old stuff rather than pull down the new versions. MANY times I've tweaked and tweaked code to no avail only to find out the real problem was the browser caching rather than my code being broken. It bites. :-) I know, I know...I could probably turn it off...but it lets me see what other people are experiencing, and I do lean on the cache for some of our images. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: Alt tag question
I wrote, previously: FT While poking around, I found this page: FT http://kspope.com/assistech/index.php. FT After poking through our website, I'm really wondering if it's FT possible to have a visually appealing website (i.e. at least a few FT graphics) and an easy-to-navigate aural-only site at the same time. Abigail commented: Actually, Tim, I think that the site you found is an excellent example of a visually appealing plus easy to navigate site. I think it's a great model to start with. I reply: I think so too, in IE. While it doesn't break in NN4.7x, it looks rather bad...bad enough that if I were to duplicate the effort with our site, it would be unacceptable to the powers-that-be. Abigail further commented: Can you clarify what some of your major problems are, or post a link to whatever page is giving you headaches? I reply thusly: I think my biggest problem is that our largest client uses NN4.7 as their base browser, so I must support it. Furthermore, my requirements are that the site appear the same in both IE and NN4.7. Since NN4.7 doesn't do CSS mouseovers well (that I've discovered, anyway), I end up downloading GIFs for the left menu - lots of them. I don't like doing it but it's the only way I've found to force consistent look between NN4.7 and IE. My log files are full of GIF requests. :-) I don't really have a headache yet...I just haven't started looking at my site's pages deeply enough to start working on this aspect of things. I have a feeling that it's going to be messy. I've put in alt tags for all the menu images (I wasn't aware that I could get away with alt=; I may have to play with that some), but am not really sure where to go from there. www.foulston.com I imagine it'll take a bit of redesign. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Passing and saving form variables
Todd asked: Do I need to just add hidden fields down in the new form/form that has the values from above? rudy responded: that's one way, and quite common here's a thought: what if there was only one page that did all three functions? it displays the form it displays the preview it processes the submit this approach (only one page) is probably the toughest to latch onto, conceptually, but once you figure it out, it's probably the easiest to code and maintain Tim adds: I've been doing this for some time now - the same ASP page holds the input form, validates the input, processes the post data, and indicates success or failure to the user. It's been really nice having everything related to a single function together on one page - easy to fix, easy to maintain, easy to add more data if needed. OTOH, I think this is partially why I have a hard time getting my head around .NET code-behind pages...it just seems quite the opposite of this approach. I know why it has to be done this way but it still feels odd. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: ASP/SQL Reports
Adam wrote: I'm not really too sure about unions, so tell me if I'm way off here. Trying to keep it simple, I have a Ticket table, an Individual table and a linking table. I want to find Individuals that have live tickets within a given period, however an Individual may have more than one live ticket within the specified report criteria, and the client only wants to see one instance of any individual within the report. Tim: Shooting in the dark here, but would a DISTINCT on the individual help you show only one instance per individual? I've only used it a couple of times. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] Justifying training expenses
Tim, previously: Have any of you ever had to justify training expenses for yourself to your company (ROI, etc.)? I'm getting close to taking the big .NET step, and would welcome information both on justification of training and specific .NET-related training experiences. David replied: I will be surprised if your employer does not have periods of paid training during each working year. This is so common now that it might be worthwhile talking to HR to find out if such a policy exists, even if it isn't well known. There used to be a fear that, if companies trained people, they would leave. Now, people tend to leave if they can't get regular training, especially in the ICT area. I should have answered this properly. There is no sound basis for calculating ROI on training. It is just an expense, without any real possibility of a return. This is especially true in those companies that allow their employees to have 'shot-in-the-dark' training, where an employee will book training that is not directly related to their current work. Tim: And I should have given a little more information. The company does in fact provide for one week per year of paid training for me...except it's rather assumed that I will spend it at TechEd every year (which I don't mind at all and I think is a good investment on their part). I am the first/only programmer this company has hired so they don't really have a set policy. After doing quite a bit of online research and talking to people from two national training centers, I'd have to agree with your statement that there is no sound basis for calculating ROI on training - in fact, the gentleman from Wintellect is in the process of trying to figure out how to do it at all. Most of the problem is that a calculated ROI depends on thorough assessments of both before and after the training, and neither one is performed in the real developer world...it's expected to be a cost of doing business expense instead. My conclusion at this time is that I can't justify the expense for now...the standard tools I've been using will suffice for the next year. I'm aware of the tendency for people to leave if not regularly trained; the lack of training is perceived by the developer as a lack of interest in their professional development. I'm feeling the same thing, although I'm aware that part of the problem is the tight economy. I'm also getting wildly varying reports about the .NET adoption rate. A local training shop says that outside of two local firms that have international interests, the .NET adoption rate is very slow here (central U.S.). In fact they only get a trickle of developers for their .NET classes. To listen to the MS hype I'd think everyone except me is already well-studied in .NET and successfully using it to deploy galaxy-wide killer app solutions. Tim somewhat bummed The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] [OT] Justifying training expenses
Have any of you ever had to justify training expenses for yourself to your company (ROI, etc.)? I'm getting close to taking the big .NET step, and would welcome information both on justification of training and specific .NET-related training experiences. I come from a procedural programming background (hey, I've done IBM assembler, RPGII, Cobol, Fortran, etc.); and while I have the theoretical knowledge about OOP, I've never really programmed that way consistently before and find myself lost in the woods/gasping for air with .NET. Was hoping a week or so of intense training would help overcome my unsurefootedness. TIA, Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] WHERE clause in Stored Procedures
Bill wrote:
But I am still stumped about the WHERE clause. It seemed like the sp
could only accept single this=that or t1.f1 = @param. I need to use an
IN condition and the number of fields will change with user selection.
For example my WHERE clause will be something like;
WHERE t1.f1 IN ('a','c','d') and t2.f1 IN ('j','m','z') one time
and WHERE t2.f1 IN ('j','m','y') and t2.f1 IN ('123','1233') another.
Tim:
rudy's suggestions were the right way to go. Here's a couple of simple
examples that might help you out further. I've modified them from some
of my existing code so they may not work perfectly the first time
around, but they're close enough to give you the right idea.
I assume you're getting your list of values from a multiselect option
box on the webpage. If so, you need to combine the selections into a
single string. I do this in JavaScript that runs when the page is
submitted:
var i, cmb, submittext;
// grab select box data
cmb = document.all.cmbSELECT;
submittext = ;
for (i=0; i=cmb.length-1; i++) {
if (cmb.options[i].selected) {
if (submittext.length 0) submittext = submittext + ,;
submittext = submittext + 'cmb.options[i].value.toString(10)
+ ';
}
}
document.all.HiddenField.value = submittext;
If you're getting your values some other way, you can use the same
method (JS on page submit) to assemble it into a string. Now I've got
the 'a','c','d' part into a single string, contained in a hidden HTML
field, that will submit with the page. The page then submits to the
processing ASP page, which grabs the hidden value, calls the SP and
sends in the string as one of the parameters. In the SP you'd do
something like this:
declare @strSQL as varchar(1000)
set @strSQL = 'select [list of fieldnames] from [tablename] '
set @strSQL = @strSQL + 'where t1.f1 in (' + @ValuesPassedIn + ')'
exec (@strSQL)
You can send in text strings for the WHERE part, too, if you have
different needs at different times (i.e WHERE t1.f1 IN... and WHERE
t2.f2 IN...).
Make sure your @strSQL variable is large enough to handle the largest
incoming set of values. As was stated before, the SP probably won't
compile (or compile completely), but will still give you a centralized
way of processing data. I've got several multi-function SPs that have
an integer passed in along with the parameters; the integer specifies
which function to perform. The functions are all related, similar to
what overloading is in .NET. (no, I haven't learned .NET yet, I'm still
reading about it :P ).
HTH.
Tim
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[wdvltalk] Re: Insert Logo
Sherry wrote: I have a question related to Maverick's dilemma: If you are writing tables for NN 4.7X, is it better to do this logo/header sort of insert via CSS or SSI? I won't be using ASP. I'm working my way up to actually *doing* something here. I'm sure you'll all faint if I ever actually make a move. Tim: I'm supporting NN4.7x, and I use SSI for the simple fact that if I want a page without the logo, it's more intuitive to leave out the include statement rather than figure out the CSS. I've had so much trouble with NN4.7x and CSS that I try to keep the CSS to specific known capabilities - like changing font sizes and faces. I keep away from CSS for any kind of positioning - I still use tables, unfortunately. There's one minor exception to that on the site and it took me a couple of days to get it working cross-browser. We won't faint if you actually do something! :) Most of us were around when you started out, and when you published your site the first time. Your perseverence is known. :) Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] [OT] Plug for great RAID recovery help
Some of you may remember I had a RAID0+1 system crash about two months ago. I was pretty sure the problem was not due to hardware failure. Most of the companies I contacted wanted me to send in the entire RAID system, along with the controller, with minimum up-front charges beginning at $3200 and skyrocketing from there. Using FileScavenger 2.0 from QueTek (www.quetek.com), along with about two weeks' worth of excellent email tech support, they were able to use their software product to piece the RAID contents back together for a 100% recovery, while the RAID remained in my computer. Total cost was less than 10% of what other companies were offering. Service was professional, personal, fast and knowledgeable. Quite impressive, and I thought I'd share it in case any one else runs into similar problems. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
Sio said: well said Tim! BTW, I'm a she:) Red-faced Tim replies: I beg your pardon, and offer apologies. :) A girl in my son's class at school is named Siobhana, I should have made the connection. I think I subconsciously hooked your name up with Sib, one of the early drummers for Boston (one of my favorite bands). Sorry. sheep grin Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
Sherry wrote: We've now lost most of the images we tried to archive but in the future I guess we'll just have to put a few on each CD-R. I think we're just not used to thinking in terms of using a huge storage capacity for one or two relatively small items and letting the rest of the disk go to waste. That is what happens when you use a CD-R, correct? I'm wondering if my New England soul doesn't have to readjust from the notion of waste being a crime. It seems so wasteful to use such a small space on a CD-R. On the other hand, what's more wasteful than a defective CD-ROM. Sio suggested: In terms of CDR versus CDRW... I usually use CDRs for backups and for some reason like the fact that I can't write over them. Weird, yes, I suppose. Also, have you considered trying out leaving a CDR session open and then adding data to the CD? That might be a viable option. Tim adds: Sherry, if you leave the CD session open (you can select that in the burn software), you can add stuff to it later. It will only be readable by PCs until the session is closed (usually only a problem if you're saving music and want to listen to it). Each time you add new files to the CD, you'll take about a 13MB hit as it writes a new table of contents combining the old and new stuff; but on a CDR that has about 750MB, that's not too bad...and I've done it a lot. Even if you're only archiving 1MB or so each time, you can still have about 45 sessions on one CD - you could probably fit a year's worth of newsletters on one this way; just keep adding to the session and close it when it gets full or you've reached a nice place (say, like six months' worth or so). I agree with Sio about liking that he can't write over them - it's nice to know the archive is truly an archive. The lab I used to work for jumped on CDR technology early because it was a way we could guarantee the regulatory government bodies that the data we were producing was unchangeable by the customer - they couldn't fake the results our lab tests generated. It also let us put numerical data files, tracking logs, and video all on the same media. Pretty cool. So let not your New England soul worry about waste - one 50-cent CDR can still hold a year's worth of newsletters. :-) With room left over for duck pictures. And be way more stable than CDRW to boot - although, for Murphy's sake, I'd probably make two of them. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: Flash and corporate sites
Cheryl wrote: .was trying to determine from the code what the visitor would see if they didn't have flash Mark added: I simply said no to ActiveX Controls, and it thinks I don't have Flash. What you get is a page with two links to install Flash and nothing else: no Flash, no Coke, nothing. Tim: That's what I got, too...just a little box in the middle of the screen telling me to go download Flash. Not a Coke in sight. :-) Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [OT] CD and DVD drives
sherry from duckland wrote: I'm not happy with the CD-RW technology at all. I'm supposed to be archiving material (images, especially) onto CD-RW disks for my office. It helps to have the feedback that the disks are so often no good. Does anyone have any explanation for this phenomenon? I'd pay extra for reliability, for some quality control. A bad disk is far worse than worthless. Cheryl responded: I've found that if you write to cdr you get much more reliable results than writing to cdrw. Cdr is more widely compatible. Older cdrom drives may not be able to read all of cdrws at all. Tim: This is what I do, also. I've been using CDR since about 1995 or so as an experimental technology in a lab I worked in. It's stable, cheap and reasonably fast, and transfers well between PCs. If you shop around you can get blanks for about 25-35 cents; use the blue ones (azure dye) for best stability. I do database and website backups on them all the time, and throw out the old ones as they become obsolete. I've *rarely* had one fail, and those times could have been avoided if I'd kept it in the case. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP 316.267.6371 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Validation for body margins
Perry respondethed to my previous post thusly:
Try this out. You just might like it.
html
head
titleMargin Killer/title
style type=text/css
body {
margin:0; /* IE Mozilla */
padding:0; /* Opera */
position:absolute; top:0; left:0; /* Netscape 4.7 */
overflow:hidden; /* Removes vertical scrollbar gap in IE */
width:1020px;} /* Specific width value removes scrollbar gap in Opera
*/
/style
/head
body
table width=100% height=200 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0
border=0 bgcolor=#0099cc
tr
td align=center valign=middle
span style=font-size:40px; font-weight:bold; color:#00;
Margin Killer
/span
/td
/tr
/table
/body
/html
Tim:
While this looked promising, it broke on a NN4.73 resize, and margins
magically reappeared. sigh
Do you realize that at some point, an alternative universe was probably
spun off in which Netscape doesn't exist? :-)
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[wdvltalk] Re: SCR please: Northern View
Franni wrote: A really good site - a restful, peaceful feel to it, exactly in keeping with the product... can easily see people being persuaded to sign up! Even those who wouldn't want a caravan holiday - must be that Irish scenary! Unusually for me, I didn't hit the skip into - I love that compass. Tim: Yeah...I live in the midwest USA and found myself wanting to be there. :-) Nice job. http://www.ingentus.com/logon.asp UN: paul PW: holiday Cheers jac. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Validation for body margins
Has anyone ever come up with an alternative way to set body margins that will validate with W3C's HTML 4.01 Transitional? I'm using the typical: BODY leftmargin=0 topmargin=0 marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 style=margin:0;padding:0 and this is one of the few errors I have left. Couldn't find much of anything doing a Google. TIA, Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: Choosing a Certificate Authority
Olya wrote: Our webhost offers a choice between OpenSRC, Entrust, VeriSign, and Thawte. [...] If anybody on the list have suggestions on which CA to go with, they will be greatly appreciated! Ali replied: I don't know anything about OpenSRC. Entrust I haven't heard anything bad about. I've used Thawte a couple times, and VeriSign owns Thawte. If you go to Thawte.com and click on Thawte 2000 on the footer, it will tell you so in it's copyright info. Additionally, I've found Thawte Certs pretty put in. Tim: I was unaware that VeriSign owns Thawte, but it doesn't surprise me. The biggest difference we ran into between VeriSign and Thawte was that VeriSign was quite a bit more expensive, but had a larger name recognition. I hadn't heard of the other two, either. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
