On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
Well, yes and no. Adobe did have a decent user group system but then
they consolidated them and it all changed. We had a Portland CF
Usergroup but then it got changed by Adobe to a PDX RIA group and most
all of the
On Thursday 21 Jan 2010, Dave Watts wrote:
Melbourne which had PHP topics, but I don't think CF would be an
appropriate topic at an open-source conference, since, you know, it's
closed-source.
Nah...there's a open language spec (due any day now) and at least two open
source implementations
Marketing key to success for everything? Well, I agree marketing helps
in most situations and for most products--but it doesn't always have
to be the case.
Take a look at Wikipedia's success; there were no big bucks spent on
advertising it.
Take a look at that United Breaks Guitars song
Melbourne which had PHP topics, but I don't think CF would be an
appropriate topic at an open-source conference, since, you know, it's
closed-source.
Nah...there's a open language spec (due any day now) and at least two open
source implementations of it, as well as Adobe's closed one.
I
On Friday 22 Jan 2010, Dave Watts wrote:
While I think that the open-source CFML implementations are great and
all, I think you can understand why Adobe might not present at an
open-source conference, right?
Adobe does a ton of good open source work, in particular around Flex. They
have a
As I said Xia - Everyone can point to one or two... Can you point to
thousands? I am not dismissing the viral phenomena - I am just saying it's
the exception.
And as I ALSO said - in not so many words - Who is to say that community
momentum wasn't/isn't part of the marketing? The smaller your
While I think that the open-source CFML implementations are great and
all, I think you can understand why Adobe might not present at an
open-source conference, right?
Adobe does a ton of good open source work, in particular around Flex. They
have a good story to tell, and based on Sean
There is never a lack of coldfusion google alerts and here is a nice
one...
While this is just a fraction of the ColdFusion sites out there, it's still
cool in my opinion...
Today ColdfusionSites.com http://www.coldfusionsites.com/ covers more than
2.000 ColdFusion websites. This means that the
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney
n...@bigfatdesigns.com wrote:
So if you think Marketing by Acme Inc. has nothing to do with it - that's
crazy talk. (I know you were just generalizing) But since we're really
talking about Adobe - that's super crazy talk. It's not like
Too bad you couldn't convince them to migrate to ColdFusion 9 which has
built in Sharepoint integration out of the box.
abdy
I'm considering moving back to Northern Virginia if the right opportunity
presents itself. CF in the Raleigh/Durham area is almost non existent (job
wise) I was laid
Concerning our stuff is free and ColdFusion isn't, it is difficult to
program in .NET without Visual Studio Professional and that cost $800.
Microsoft will find a way to cost those developers money.
I'm considering moving back to Northern Virginia if the right opportunity
presents itself. CF
And as I ALSO said - in not so many words - Who is to say that community
momentum wasn't/isn't part of the marketing? The smaller your
product/service - the more you rely on free marketing techniques.
Adobe does a pretty good job with supporting community-driven
marketing. I don't know how
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
And as I ALSO said - in not so many words - Who is to say that community
momentum wasn't/isn't part of the marketing? The smaller your
product/service - the more you rely on free marketing techniques.
Adobe does a pretty
Well, yes and no. Adobe did have a decent user group system but then
they consolidated them and it all changed. We had a Portland CF
Usergroup but then it got changed by Adobe to a PDX RIA group and most
all of the content and discussion is around Flash and Flex. Having a
Flash and Flex
I used to be a CFUG manager, so I understand. But it was my impression
that all of the CFUGs were getting converted to RIA groups. Perhaps I
misunderstood and I just need to get off my lazy ass and make a group
again :)
Cheers,
Judah
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Dave Watts
Please, can this thread end, or at least move to CF-Community or
something?
Thanks
Mark
~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive:
Mark,
I've left the thread here so it could be disputed but after 2 days it
is time to take it to the OT list. Anyone who wants to continue on the
bi-monthly CF is dead thread, please go to the CF-OT list.
Thanks
--
Michael
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Gaulin, Mark
Please, can this thread end, or at least move to CF-Community or
something?
Thanks
Mark
Man,
I couldn't agree more Look, this should be for code exchanges, etc. We all
live by the CF sword and die by the CF sword. If you're that worried about it,
learn the other languages
I used to be a CFUG manager, so I understand. But it was my impression
that all of the CFUGs were getting converted to RIA groups. Perhaps I
misunderstood and I just need to get off my lazy ass and make a group
again :)
A lot of them have switched to RIA topics, or just become more general
Judah:
It's likely that you misunderstood. I started a CFUG in the East Bay,
California area less than a year ago. I've not had Adobe attempt to
influence any sort of influence over the topics we cover, nor did they
attempt to mandate that the group be referred to as anything other than a
Michael / Mark / Patrick
Thank you!
~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive:
Please, can this thread end, or at least move to CF-Community or
something?
I realize this is OT, but if you're using Gmail/Google Apps, you can
mute a thread:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=47787
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
I realize this is OT, but if you're using Gmail/Google
Apps, you can
mute a thread:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=47787
Thanks for the tip Dave. I did not know that one :)
~|
Want to
, 2010 at 11:53 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote:
Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in
Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there.
However, Mike's subject was not Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
in Australia
Sean, as much as we disagree about the unique-ness situation of Pacific,
you're absolutely right that we have an awesome set of conferences
covering CF (and other topics). I can't speak for the other people from
the region on this mailing list, but all the ones below you've mentioned
are on my
Scott Stewart sstwebwo...@bellsouth.net wrote:
I have *never* seen an effective deployment of Sharepoint.
You know, I have heard this many times, but it seems
implausible. Why would CxOs continue to buy a product that
takes so much work by so many expensive consultants to get
it
Please move this discussion off list thx
Sent from my mobile device
On Jan 22, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Bryn Parrott
bryn_parr...@internode.on.net wrote:
Scott Stewart sstwebwo...@bellsouth.net wrote:
I have *never* seen an effective deployment of Sharepoint.
You know, I have heard this
Well, we're talking about programming languages and most of them
succeed because of community momentum, not because of ACME Inc.
marketing them...
--
Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
A point we agree upon. And the reason why I think postings like (Mike Kears)
are dangerous because they are
you mean the days when CGI people were swearing that
coldfusion
weren't going anywhere, Flash was just a gleam in Future Splash's pants,
And I.E. was Leno and Netscape was Conan? Lol
Yep ... Back in the good old days when there was no competing technology ...
..er hem..
Mike:
[A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusion
An exaggeration I think. Yes, there are less jobs, but mostly this comes down
to the effects of the recession. In times of uncertainty, companies invest less
where there is perceived risk. Web Application development is
Mike:
[A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusion
An exaggeration I think. Yes, there are less jobs, but mostly this comes down
to the effects of the recession. In times of uncertainty, companies invest less
where there is perceived risk. Web Application development is
Wow ? Seriously ? ColdFusion is dead ? *Again* :-)
--
Helping to continually develop front-end next-generation edge-of-your-seat
holistic mindshares as part of the IT team of the year, '09 and '08
This email is sent for and on behalf of
Anecdotal but still interesting(?): I'm not actively job-searching but I do
receive email-notifications re: new CF opportunities from:
- GetColdFusionJobs.com
- LinkedIn - CFManiacs:ColdFusion Developers Group
- LinkedIn - ColdFusion - 3000+ Members!
- LinkedIn - ColdFusion
-
: Thursday, 21 January 2010 6:03 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
The pool of CFers is constantly growing. Rates are still higher for
CFers than most other web technologies. There are more CFML
conferences and events than ever.
But there is a recession going
Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in
Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there.
However, Mike's subject was not Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
in Australia and several of his points seemed to be non-Australia-specific
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, Mike, how long's it been since your last ColdFusion is dead post?
A very long time. In the past i have joined discussions on this
topic, saying something along the lines that 'even if Adobe announced
the
Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in
Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there.
However, Mike's subject was not Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
in Australia
of a recession is used, are you saying
that we have been in a recession for the last 10 years Sean? I don't thinks
so.
-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2010 6:03 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last
$15/month
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:53 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote:
Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in
Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there.
However, Mike's subject was not Why i fear ColdFusion
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are
in Sydney, the biggest city in the country,
So go to the 28 other jobs and explain to them why telecommuting would
be good for their company and expand
What would be a whole lot better is if someone said 'no you are wrong,
Mike, look at all the things we're doing to promote Coldfusion to
.net/php/java users:
a:
b:
c:
etc'
or
No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the
last year by xx%
or
No Mike, we presented at a
No, Phillip. I have been busy all year, but i dug up projects of my
own. What i am concerned about is the apparent lack of activity on
the part of anyone to get new ColdFusion sites up and going, while
most of us can point to CF sites that have gone to other technologies.
Go ahead. Bash me.
You are being a jerk Phillip. I'm talking about one of the world's
largest and most sophisticated cities. The largest city in a very
advanced economy. And in this city of nearly 5 million people there
are apparently 4 jobs for people involving ColdFusion, and of those,
only 2 actually want
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Go ahead. Bash me. if it amuses you. Bash away. But it doesnt change
the problem. Its ignoring the problem I'm trying so hard to point
out. We're all so scared to say that Adobe arent doing much because
we might be
THE RUMORS OF MY DEMISE ARE GREATLY EXAGERATED - Mark Twain
Just a couple of comments on this issue:
1. We are deploying new CF sites every month. Many are major... banks,
universities, colleges, credit unions, hospitals, etc.
2. Jack Henry is one of the major providers of on-line banking
-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 January 2010 14:07
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
You are being a jerk Phillip. I'm talking about one of the world's
largest and most sophisticated cities. The largest city in a very
advanced economy
[mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:18 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are
in Sydney, the biggest city in the country,
One is for a .NET developer and exposure
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:
You are being a jerk Phillip.
Sorry I come across that way. It isn't my intent. If you wish to
consider me a jerk and that makes you feel better, then feel free.
I'm talking about one of the world's
largest and most
[mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:34 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
What would be a whole lot better is if someone said 'no you are wrong, Mike,
look at all the things we're doing to promote Coldfusion to .net/php
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:
[A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusionIn
the last 12 months there has been just a handful of coldfusion jobs
advertised. And most of those have been advertised by time-wasters
who didnt end
Anyway, these are the reasons i think the trends tell
me ColdFusion is either a dead duck of soon to be a dead
duck at least in Sydney anyway. I dont know about other
When it comes to usergroups and conferences, and even the kinds of companies
that use ColdFusion, it has a lot to do with the
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote:
Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I was there in
person) that their user based has grown 300% over the last 5 years. From
250k users around 2004 to over 800k users in 2008/2009.
In
]
Sent: 21 January 2010 14:46
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com
wrote:
Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I was there in
person) that their user based has
Gotcha.
And I'm guessing that Adobe's numbers are worldwide, and not in one
geographic region.
-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:46 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:46 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com
wrote:
Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I was there in
person) that their user
I think the availability of CF jobs depends a lot on how far you are willing to
move and where you live. I lost my job at the end of October last year and I
have not been seeing listed CF jobs around West Palm Beach, FL. I see plenty of
job openings in the Northern Virginia area and jobs
Cold Fusion certainly has its threats, with .Net, PHP, Python etc
alternatives out there. Originally CF had the game to itself and it
was an original concept that helped ignite enthusiasm and help to turn
the web into what it is today.
Wait Bryn, you mean the days when CGI people were
All I know is what I see with my own eyes. And for daring to speak
about it, I'm getting slammed as one of the ColdFusion is dead
people.
I can't imagine why, except that your subject line is Why i fear
ColdFusion is on its last legs. Perhaps, since all you know is what
you see with your
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Ben Shelden aboutw...@benshelden.com wrote:
I was speaking with a recruiter and she was telling me that she found it
interesting how the job opportunities for different languages seemed to
center around different geographical locations. She told me there were
I had an Adobe guy tell me a while back we're in the IDE and Development
Tool business not the server business. I don't know why we have ColdFusion at
all.
That was a bit disquieting at the time, and I wonder . what if that feeling
was
widespread in Adobe? What if they start seeing CF as
weren't going anywhere, Flash was just a gleam in Future Splash's pants,
^^
You really messed up that expression. Just thought I'd point that out.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software is a
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I know that's a 'Chicken Little kind of subject line. I hope my
impressions are wrong. Might be - i have been wrong before. I
remember i was wrong once when i thought i was incorrect, but i wasnt.
Since the entire
No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the
last year by xx%
The last time I looked at Adobe's overall sales figures, CF sales were
up. Their overall sales figures are available in their public
statements.
No Mike, we presented at a .Net conference in Sydney last
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Bryn Parrott
bryn_parr...@internode.on.net wrote:
I've observed the same thing over a period of 10 years or so. The Cold
Fusion market is mature, there are fewer newbies out there asking dumb
questions.
That would seem to mesh with the results for CFUnited
: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
I think the availability of CF jobs depends a lot on how far you are willing
to move and where you live. I lost my job at the end of October last year
and I have not been seeing listed CF jobs around West Palm Beach, FL. I see
plenty of job openings
Well then maybe the Australian market in completely unique in the
entire world and has different problems that the rest of the world
does not?
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote:
If anyone wishes to reflect that we are in a recession then please Explain
You're wrong ;-)
1) The economy tanked and ALL development work slowed.
CF has always taken the harder hit as it is the less used technology
2) Adobe/Macromedia/Allaire and Marketing
Yeahthey have all sucked equally at promoting CF...no news there.
It's always driven me crazy, but I'm used
I was going to stay away from this thread at all costsbut I read this:
Nothing from Adobe. I might be wrong - I hope I am, but Adobe didnt
know much about what to do with a server product when they bought
Macromedia,
That's funny, because the last time I remember seeing a sentence
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I had an Adobe guy tell me a while back we're in the
IDE and Development Tool business not the server business. I dont
know why we have ColdFusion at all. That was a bit disquieting at
the time, and I wonder . what
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
I think the availability of CF jobs depends a lot on how far you are willing
to move and where you live. I lost my job at the end of October last year
and I have not been seeing listed CF jobs around West Palm Beach, FL. I see
Sorry Dave. Blame it on no caffeine on the account of just waking up to
this discussion. Lol
weren't going anywhere, Flash was just a gleam in Future Splash's
pants,
^^
You really messed up that expression. Just thought I'd point that out.
Dave
deployment of Sharepoint.
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:10 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Too bad you couldn't convince them to migrate to ColdFusion 9 which has
built
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Justin Scott
jscott-li...@gravityfree.com wrote:
When it comes to usergroups and conferences, and even the kinds of companies
that use ColdFusion, it has a lot to do with the culture around it. PHP,
Perl, Python, Lisp, C, Ruby, ASP.Net, Groovy, and most other
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
You know who's in a position to DO SOMETHING? It's you, not Adobe.
You're not satisfied with how Adobe markets their product? Market your
services with that product! You're not satisfied with their presence
in user groups
Scott Stewart sstwebwo...@bellsouth.net wrote:
I have *never* seen an effective deployment of Sharepoint.
You know, I have heard this many times, but it seems
implausible. Why would CxOs continue to buy a product that
takes so much work by so many expensive consultants to get
it
You guys looking for any remote developers Andy? I am in Chicago...
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:18 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Could it be perhaps
[mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:46 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
You guys looking for any remote developers Andy? I am in Chicago...
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li
Why is it that everyone is afraid to speak the truth? No worries, I'll do
the dirty work.
Adobe, watching helplessly (so some thought) as Australia scoffs at the
world as it suffers through a major recession, are hell bent upon bringing
full-on recession to Australia. Their strategy appears to
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:24 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
I had an Adobe guy tell me a while back we're in the IDE and Development
Tool business not the server business. I don't know why we have ColdFusion
at all.
That was a bit disquieting at the time, and I wonder . what if
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:
Well then maybe the Australian market in completely unique in the
entire world and has different problems that the rest of the world
does not?
Is that so strange?India has different problems that the rest of
the
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:
And dont start talking about bloody LiveCycle. It was the Adobe
LiveCycle guy at WebDU who told me that he would never allow my
company to have anything to do with selling LiveCycle.
Perhaps it was your attitude? :)
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the
last year by xx%
The last time I looked at Adobe's overall sales figures, CF sales were
up. Their overall sales figures are available in their public
OK, you have just officially made me laugh so hard that my side hurts.
Since when does Adobe have franchise agreements? Since when do
people/companies pay Adobe hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees for
which Adobe agrees to market products and/or services for them?
Why do so many damn
You specifically compared Adobe's management of ColdFusion marketing and
sales efforts to those of Toyota on behalf of their dealers. Toyota dealers
can only become a Toyota dealer by paying massive franchise fees up front
and maintaining those payments year after year, as well as adhering to a
Speaking about them not wanting to have you do any selling of
Lifecycle, Yeah.. Most likely the attitude. I wouldn't want him
selling anything for my company either.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Matt you're being an idiot. I have deliberately
In Australia? Are they? Does anyone outside Adobe know?
I don't know about Australia. But that's entirely irrelevant to
whether CF is on its last legs.
Actually Dave, Adobe people = = Adobe. You are 100% wrong in
that statement.
Really? So if I grab any one of the thousands of
Dave, I have spent enough time in the sales operations of corporations
to know that it doesn't matter a damn what the board of directors says
- if the general sales team in a company has a widespread view that
the product sucks, it doesn't sell. Or if they dont get the right
support, or if
Is that so strange? India has different problems that the rest of
the world does not. Canada has different problems that the rest of
the world does not. England has different problems that the rest of
the world does not. France has different problems that the rest of
the world does
Now, here's the ultimate test: let's post a ASP.NET is dying thread to
their mailing list and see if the response is as strong. [?]
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
Is that so strange?India has different problems that the rest of
the world does
Well - just because my inbox needs another 50 messages...
I'm interested in the opinion that has been offered a few times in a few
iterations: Developers make Coldfusion (Successful)
This intrigues me - because it seems to be of the logic: If you build it,
they will come. I mean - I see where
That's because Adobe are not here, actively doing what their predecessors
used to do and promote their product. The job market for ColdFusion in
Australia has been drying up for 10 years, you Americans don't get to see
that. But that doesn;t mean we are saying that ColdFusion is dying, far from
money that's ok with Adobe.
-- Josh
-Original Message-
From: Eric Nicholas Sweeney [mailto:n...@bigfatdesigns.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:18 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
So - the argument would be - I should really push Coldfusion
* Sigh *
You know what. This kind of stuff really upsets me.
If you want change - then its time to step up and do something about it.
Get involved in your local UGM, start presenting to people, go to local
techups, or non-CF conventions or twitter meets. There are SO many avenues
out there
They were a 100% ColdFusion house, we began moving
direction and the number one thing that the company
looked at was what resources where at our disposal
in the future. And it boiled down to developers,
there were next to no jobs available. Which means
that developers are off learning
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney
n...@bigfatdesigns.com wrote:
Maybe it's my marketing background, but that story just doesn't hold up. The
success rate of anything based on that sort of fairytale/whimsical/lucky
business plan is extremely low. I am sure you can all point
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote:
We don't have the luxury of the conferences like you guys over their,
although one individual has taken it upon himself to try to change this.
webDU?
Web on the Piste?
cf.Objective(ANZ)?
MXDU/webDU is pretty much a
I know that's a 'Chicken Little kind of subject line. I hope my
impressions are wrong. Might be - i have been wrong before. I
remember i was wrong once when i thought i was incorrect, but i wasnt.
Anyway, these are the reasons i think the trends tell me ColdFusion
is either a dead duck of
the only
thing you got right here was the Chicken little part ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:52 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
I know that's a 'Chicken Little kind of subject line
Eric, I hope you're right and i'm just panicking unnecessarily.
But when i see little or no promotion, very little discussion about
CF, bugger all interest from the user groups, and no jobs that adds
up to a pretty serious malaise i fear.
Every night i have some of my favourite job boards
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I know that's a 'Chicken Little kind of subject line. I hope my
impressions are wrong. Might be - i have been wrong before. I
remember i was wrong once when i thought i was incorrect, but i wasnt.
Ah, Mike, how long's
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