Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following: On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is unintelligent

Re: Fwd: The Mental Universe

2012-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.08.2012 21:50 meekerdb said the following: How's Bruno going to criticize those darn physicists if they just won't stick to materialism. Brent Original Message Link to the PDF: http://henry.pha.jhu.edu/The.mental.universe.pdf I find it strange that the author has

Re: God has no name

2012-08-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.08.2012 19:29 Stephen P. King said the following: On 8/6/2012 8:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ... ? Why? It's not complicated! A person must be, at least, nameable. A person has always has a name. [BM] Why? Because names are necessary for persistent distinguishability. Let

Re: The Unreality of Time

2012-08-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Alberto, I have one more question. On 31.07.2012 11:08 Alberto G. Corona said the following: Evgenii, great questions 2012/7/30 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru On 30.07.2012 11:19 Alberto G. Corona said the following: ... Let us say that there is some conglomerate of atoms. When it

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-31 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 31.07.2012 01:05 Russell Standish said the following: ... With complete information, a totally rational being makes optimal choices, and has no free will, but always beats an irrational being. To this end, one has first to define the sense of life formally. The goal to survive is clear

Re: The Unreality of Time

2012-07-31 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Alberto, Thank you for your answers. I will make one comment now. I plan to read Schneider on molecular machines (thanks for the link) and then I may make more comments. On 31.07.2012 11:08 Alberto G. Corona said the following: Evgenii, great questions 2012/7/30 Evgenii

Re: The Unreality of Time

2012-07-30 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.07.2012 11:19 Alberto G. Corona said the following: Evgenii : I thank you for your questions, since It helps me to re-examine and clarify my position. 2012/7/29 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru On 29.07.2012 11:28 Alberto G. Corona said the following: These psycho-philosophical arguments

Re: The Unreality of Time

2012-07-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 28.07.2012 23:43 Stephen P. King said the following: On 7/28/2012 4:23 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Now I have found the original paper by McTaggart in Internet: http://www.ditext.com/mctaggart/time.html ... Dear Evgenii, Never would I cast aspersions upon McTaggart, but what he

Re: The Unreality of Time

2012-07-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.07.2012 11:28 Alberto G. Corona said the following: These psycho-philosophical arguments like the one of John Ellis are what in evolutionary Psychology is called an explanation based on proximate causes. I guess that science is based on observation and hence it might be good to define

The Unreality of Time

2012-07-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
John Ellis McTaggart The Unreality of Time Mind: A Quarterly Review of Psychology and Philosophy 17 (1908): 456-473 I have learned about the McTaggart's A- and B-series from John Yates. http://www.ifsgoa.com/ Now I have found the original paper by McTaggart in Internet:

Re: scientists simulate an entire organism in software for the first time ever

2012-07-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.07.2012 17:52 Stephen P. King said the following: This is great news for Bruno! ;-) I was interested in the computational complexity factor involved. http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/21/big-leap-in-bio-engineering-scientists-simulate-an-entire-organism-in-software-for-the-first-time-ever/

Re: scientists simulate an entire organism in software for the first time ever

2012-07-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.07.2012 17:52 Stephen P. King said the following: This is great news for Bruno! ;-) I was interested in the computational complexity factor involved. http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/21/big-leap-in-bio-engineering-scientists-simulate-an-entire-organism-in-software-for-the-first-time-ever/

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.07.2012 22:26 meekerdb said the following: On 7/18/2012 12:21 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 18.07.2012 21:08 meekerdb said the following: On 7/18/2012 10:32 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: For example, the fantastic, uinmatched success the judeo-christian civilization until XVIII century

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.07.2012 21:08 meekerdb said the following: On 7/18/2012 10:32 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: For example, the fantastic, uinmatched success the judeo-christian civilization until XVIII century at least, as measured in objective evolutionary terms. You mean the one that squelched Greek

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 17.07.2012 09:54 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 16 Jul 2012, at 21:05, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 15.07.2012 16:50 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 Jul 2012, at 18:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... but it looks like that your motive is also close to the Game of Life. What

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.07.2012 16:50 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 Jul 2012, at 18:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... but it looks like that your motive is also close to the Game of Life. What difference do you see in this respect? With comp, after UDA, and supposing it is 100% valid, the choice

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.07.2012 01:15 meekerdb said the following: On 7/13/2012 4:07 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: It must be, because this has been a very sucessful mith. Yes, it was no doubt successful in keeping the peasants believing the in divine knowledge of the free loading priests. Brent One can say

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.07.2012 20:43 meekerdb said the following: On 7/13/2012 11:14 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... My question would be not about responsibility, I am not that far. Let us take a chess game (the example from John). We have two people playing chess and then for example the M-theory. How would

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.07.2012 22:14 John Clark said the following: On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: There are no experts in this field because there is no field. The field does exist. What does a expert on theology know about the nature of reality that a non-expert does not?

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.07.2012 10:26 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 13 Jul 2012, at 20:26, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.07.2012 19:40 John Clark said the following: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: ... An interesting question is however, where resulting visual mental

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.07.2012 11:00 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 Jul 2012, at 10:42, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... If to speak about your theorem, it is unclear to me, how the first person view accesses numbers and mathematical objects. Like a digital machine, which can access numbers encoded

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.07.2012 11:52 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 Jul 2012, at 11:16, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 14.07.2012 11:00 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 Jul 2012, at 10:42, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... If to speak about your theorem, it is unclear to me, how the first person view

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.07.2012 22:08 meekerdb said the following: On 7/12/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.07.2012 18:21 John Clark said the following: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I understand but the question in principle still remains. Who play the chess, I

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.07.2012 22:44 John Clark said the following: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I am not an expert in this field There are no experts in this field because there is no field. The field does exist. You may want for example to read Newton. He was a

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.07.2012 19:53 meekerdb said the following: On 7/13/2012 10:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: The field does exist. You may want for example to read Newton. He was a fan of theology. Newton on theology is one of the things I would least like to read. Why? Presumably there were questions

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.07.2012 19:52 meekerdb said the following: On 7/13/2012 10:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.07.2012 22:08 meekerdb said the following: ... In Dennett's conception 'free will' is just a marker for responsibility; hence his aphorism, You can avoid responsibility for everything if you

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.07.2012 19:40 John Clark said the following: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: ... An interesting question is however, where resulting visual mental concepts are located. I find it about as interesting as asking where big or the number eleven is located

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.07.2012 19:36 John Clark said the following: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: In Germany theology still belongs to universities. What I like is that you will find as a department of theoretical theology as well as a department of practical theology.

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.07.2012 18:26 John Clark said the following: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: It is hard to imagine how free will can operate if our behavior is determined by physical law Does that mean you CAN imagine how free will can operate if our behavior is NOT

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.07.2012 18:21 John Clark said the following: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I understand but the question in principle still remains. Who play the chess, I or the M-theory? There is no logical reason to think those two ways of explaining the same

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.07.2012 21:48 meekerdb said the following: On 7/10/2012 12:38 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Hence according to the authors, the M-theory governs absolutely everything including social sciences. But I am afraid that this is not what you would expect. Why would you not expect a theory

Re: Oh no!

2012-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.07.2012 20:38 Stephen P. King said the following: Say that it is not so! http://www.technologyreview.com/view/428428/higgs-boson-may-be-an-imposter-say-particle/?ref=rss Hi Stephen, Recently I have read Karin Knorr Cetina, Epistemic Cultures: How the Sciences Make Knowledge This

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.07.2012 09:47 Bruno Marchal said the following: ... The whole of the human sciences is perverted since theology get out of the academy. Philosophy is often just a religious reaction to institutionalized religion. God id dead, said Nietzsche, so ... what do we do? In Germany theology

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.07.2012 18:03 John Clark said the following: On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I do not not understand in this respect your analogy with chess. You may know all the rules of chess but that does not mean you know what all the complex interactions

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.07.2012 19:49 Alberto G. Corona said the following: There is something deeply religious in many scientifics in his quest to expand their Truth. And there is also something very philosophical indeed. But they ignore both. They ignore their beliefs and their positivistic metaphisics, born in

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.07.2012 21:54 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 07 Jul 2012, at 15:31, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: My comments to Grand Design by Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow, especially to the statement from the book “Traditionally these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.07.2012 19:29 John Clark said the following: On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: What I cannot comprehend though is why some people, which after all are also just occasional conglomerates of small particles obeying the Theory-of-Everything, react very differently

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.07.2012 19:40 John Clark said the following: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Hawking and Mlodinow start with the statement that free will is illusion If they said that, and I don't recall that they did, they were being much too kind in equating the free

Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-07-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
My comments to Grand Design by Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow, especially to the statement from the book “Traditionally these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead. Philosophy has not kept up with modern developments in science, particularly physics. Scientists have

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-03 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 02.07.2012 22:01 meekerdb said the following: On 7/2/2012 12:45 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 02.07.2012 21:08 meekerdb said the following: On 7/2/2012 11:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Where to will you place 'description' in the physicalism? Is this just some excitation of natural

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 02.07.2012 20:12 meekerdb said the following: On 7/2/2012 7:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs and people and numbers, Chairs and people are also mathematical objects, just really complex ones with a large information content. This

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then? Because concerning computation and emulation

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-07-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.07.2012 09:38 meekerdb said the following: On 7/1/2012 12:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.06.2012 22:31 meekerdb said the following: On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-06-30 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.06.2012 11:14 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 29 Jun 2012, at 20:01, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.04.2012 11:11 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Hence if you know something in Internet or in the written form, I would

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-06-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.04.2012 11:11 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Hence if you know something in Internet or in the written form, I would appreciate your advice. The best about 20 pages, not too little, and not to much. OK I found the paper

Re: I am the de-phlogistonator!

2012-06-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.06.2012 04:14 meekerdb said the following: On 6/25/2012 6:22 PM, Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: Hi, Hales, C. G. 2012 The modern phlogiston: why 'thinking machines' don't need computers TheConversation. The Conversation media Group.

Re: I am the de-phlogistonator!

2012-06-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.06.2012 20:56 meekerdb said the following: On 6/26/2012 11:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Here there is a big question whether an engineer has free will (is an engineer different in this respect from a scientist?). I think we've already elucidated several different possible meanings

Re: truth

2012-06-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.06.2012 08:03 Stephen P. King said the following: On 6/22/2012 1:50 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: I have many questions. One is what if truth were malleable? -- HI Brian, If it was malleable, how would we detect the modifications? If our standards of truth varied, how could we tell? This

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.06.2012 21:56 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:12:35 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Do you have a good definition of 'cause'? Any change originating from beyond your own direct participation, ie, the consequence of any motive other than your own

Re: Theology deepities

2012-06-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.06.2012 23:53 meekerdb said the following: On 6/18/2012 12:37 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 18.06.2012 19:33 meekerdb said the following: On 6/13/2012 1:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: And what is that meaning which they have expounded with unanimity and has anyone who is *not* a theologian

Re: Theology deepities

2012-06-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 19.06.2012 09:50 Bruno Marchal said the following: .. This might be because you confine yourself to christian theologians. I read a long time ago a book (La malle de Newton) which confirms Newton neo-platonic tendencies. Keep in mind that neo-platonist have to hide their idea since Rome,

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.06.2012 16:39 John Clark said the following: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: But then why to talk that every event has a cause? I don't know what you're talking about. I never said everything had a cause, in fact I have a strong hunch that some things

Re: Theology deepities

2012-06-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.06.2012 19:33 meekerdb said the following: On 6/13/2012 1:02 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: And what is that meaning which they have expounded with unanimity and has anyone who is *not* a theologian ever believed it? I believe that educated people, for example scientists, have followed

Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
In his book An Essay on Metaphysics in Part IIIc Causation, Collingwood has considered what could mean that every event must have a cause. This could be interesting for a discussion on free will, as Collingwood shows that causation presupposes free will. In other words, if free will is to be

Re: Every Event has a Cause as Metaphysics

2012-06-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 17.06.2012 17:15 John Clark said the following: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: For me personally, it is a puzzle why modern physics still needs that every event has a cause. I don't know what you're talking about. Modern physics does not say every

Re: Theology deepities

2012-06-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.06.2012 18:24 meekerdb said the following: On 6/13/2012 1:57 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.06.2012 20:17 meekerdb said the following: Here's a thoughtful blog on the meaning of theology. Bruno may want to comment, since his conception of theology might answer the questions put forward

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations, emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc. of observations of the physical universe and its processes. This

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations, emulations

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following: 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: Using mathematics, computations

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 18:07 Quentin Anciaux said the following: 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following: 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: ... Said that, I still see a computer in front of me (or a computer cluster at work, well I do not see it there but rather access but I

Re: Questions about simulations, emulations, etc.

2012-06-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 20:39 David Nyman said the following: On 9 June 2012 19:22, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: No, I have meant a) simulated computer b) simulated myself (but not in a) Now I consider a) and b). This is after all some instructions executed by some Turing machine. It seems

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have started reading Collingwood's An Essay on Metaphysics and I see one definition that seems to be pertinent to this discussion. p. 27 Def. 4. To assume it to suppose by an act of free choice. A person who 'makes an assumption' is making a supposition about which he is aware that he might

Re: Welcome to Life

2012-06-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.06.2012 06:50 meekerdb said the following: Here's your closest continuation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0Efeature=relmfu Brent Excellent. Thanks for the link. Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Popper's World 3 and Multiverse

2012-06-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
The Beginning of Infinity by David Deutsch is full of Popper's methodology. Also one can find there a statement that the knowledge exists objectively. On the other hand, Maarten Hoenen in his lectures several times has mentioned Popper's World 3. Interestingly enough that though Deutsch

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.06.2012 21:30 meekerdb said the following: On 6/1/2012 11:43 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: Cannot comment, don't know what ASCII string free will means and neither do you. John K Clark Of course there are various degrees to which it can be free but that doesn't mean free will is a

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-06-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.06.2012 19:19 meekerdb said the following: On 6/1/2012 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 31 May 2012, at 23:12, meekerdb wrote: ... Sam Harris just wrote a short book titled Free Will and from the comments it has elicited it's apparent that there is very little agreement as to what it

Re: free will and mathematics

2012-06-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.06.2012 20:48 meekerdb said the following: On 6/1/2012 8:59 AM, John Clark wrote: Believers in 'contra causal free will' suppose that it did not, that my 'soul' or 'spirit' initiated the physical process without any determinative physical antecedent. A belief that was enormously

Re: Max Velmans' Reflexive Monism

2012-05-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 28.05.2012 22:42 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 28 May 2012, at 21:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Bruno, I believe that this time I could say that you express your position. For example in your two answers below it does not look like I don't defend that position. I don't think so. I

Re: Max Velmans' Reflexive Monism

2012-05-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 27.05.2012 23:04 Stephen P. King said the following: On 5/27/2012 4:07 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... A good extension. Velmans does not consider such a case but he says that the perceptions are located exactly where one perceives them. In this case, it seems that it should not pose

Re: A Computable Universe: Understanding and Exploring Nature As Computation

2012-05-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 28.05.2012 17:48 John Mikes said the following: Evgenij: to your last par (small remark): (and I repeat the outburst of a religious scientist upon my post questioning his 'faith'): Who gave you the audacity to feel so superior to (some?) WORKING CLASS? (I apologize: you seem to be only the

Re: Max Velmans' Reflexive Monism

2012-05-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: ... Velmans introduces perceptual projection but this remains as the Hard Problem in his book, how exactly perceptual projection happens. It does not make sense. This is doing Aristotle mistake twice. Velmans contrast his model with reductionism

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.05.2012 21:06 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 26 May 2012, at 16:48, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 26.05.2012 11:30 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 26 May 2012, at 08:47, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... In my view, it would be nicer to treat such a question historically. Your

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 24.05.2012 09:52 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 20:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... nominalism that they are just notation and do not exist as such independently from the mind. But that distinction is usually made in the aristotelian context, where some concrete

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.05.2012 11:30 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 26 May 2012, at 08:47, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... In my view, it would be nicer to treat such a question historically. Your position based on your theorem, after all, is one of possible positions. What do you mean by my position? I

Max Velmans' Reflexive Monism

2012-05-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have just finished reading Understanding Consciousness by Max Velmans and below there are a couple of comments to the book. The book is similar to Jeffrey Gray's Consciousness: Creeping up on the Hard Problem in a sense that it takes phenomenal consciousness seriously. Let me give an

Re: A Computable Universe: Understanding and Exploring Nature As Computation

2012-05-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.05.2012 07:57 Stephen P. King said the following: On 5/26/2012 1:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: http://uncomp.uwe.ac.uk/LCCOMP/en/Files/Entries/2012/5/23_A_Computable_Universe.html Overview This volume, with a foreword by Sir Roger Penrose, discusses the foundations of computation

A Computable Universe: Understanding and Exploring Nature As Computation

2012-05-25 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
http://uncomp.uwe.ac.uk/LCCOMP/en/Files/Entries/2012/5/23_A_Computable_Universe.html Overview This volume, with a foreword by Sir Roger Penrose, discusses the foundations of computation in relation to nature. It focuses on two main questions: What is computation? How does nature compute?

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.05.2012 10:47 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 01:22, Stephen P. King wrote: ... If mathematical objects are not within the category of Mental then that is news to philosophers... If mathematical objects are within the category of Mental then that is news to

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.05.2012 19:43 Stephen P. King said the following: ... There seems to be a divergence of definitions occurring. It might be better for me to withdraw from philosophical discussions for a while and focus just on mathematical questions, like the dependence on order of a basis... I

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.05.2012 20:01 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 19:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Let us take terms like information, computation, etc. Are they mental or mathematical? Information is vague, and can be both. Computation is mathematical, by using the Church

Re: “Markov's theorem

2012-05-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Stephen, I have a more general question. I am not a mathematician and I do not quite understand the relationship between mathematics and the world that surround me. It seems to me that your writing implies that there is the intimate connections between mathematics and the Universe. Could

Re: Poking the bear.

2012-05-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.05.2012 05:53 Colin Geoffrey Hales said the following: Hi all, You might be interested in a little article I wrote, published here: http://theconversation.edu.au/learning-experience-lets-take-consciousness-in-from-the-cold-6739 I am embarked on the long process of getting science to

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.05.2012 10:29 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 13 May 2012, at 23:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Yet, I guess that even not all physicists believe in multiverse. When you convince all physicists that multivers exists, I will start thinking about it. On reality, usually all humans

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.05.2012 04:38 meekerdb said the following: On 5/12/2012 4:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory are non computationalist dualist theories. Not all of them, at least not in the sense of dualist you mean. Adrian Kent has

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.05.2012 15:09 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 12 May 2012, at 14:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno Marchal said the following: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory are non computationalist dualist theories. But as Shimony

Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
A few quotes below to dualism from Max Velmans. Evgenii http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2012/05/quantum-dualist-interactionism.html In Chapter 2, Conscious Souls, Brains and Quantum Mechanics there is a nice section Quantum Dualist Interactionism (p. 17 – 21) where Max Velmans describes works that

Re: Dualism via Quantum Mechanics

2012-05-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.05.2012 13:33 Bruno Marchal said the following: Evgenii, All this is well known. Copenhagen theory, or unique-universe theory are non computationalist dualist theories. But as Shimony has shown, the idea that consciousness collapse the wave leads to many difficulties, like non local

Conscious Will and Responsibility: A Tribute to Benjamin Libet

2012-05-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Below there is a message from Facebook where his author briefly describes a book with papers about Libet's experiment. I guess that this should be useful for discussions about free will. Evgenii --- Review :Conscious Will and Responsibility: A Tribute to Benjamin Libet The editors of

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.05.2012 08:47 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 08 May 2012, at 21:41, meekerdb wrote: On 5/8/2012 12:04 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 8, 2:17 pm, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 07.05.2012 22:21 Craig Weinberg said the following: On May 7, 3:37 pm, meekerdbmeeke

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.05.2012 21:48 meekerdb said the following: On 5/8/2012 11:09 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... For the development of science, it is necessary to have a believe that equations discovered by a human mind could be used for the whole history of Universe. At that time, this belief came from

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.05.2012 22:19 meekerdb said the following: On 5/7/2012 12:29 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 20:11 meekerdb said the following: On 5/7/2012 10:42 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 04:17 meekerdb said the following: On 5/6/2012 5:47 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 6, 4

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.05.2012 21:49 meekerdb said the following: On 5/7/2012 12:09 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 19:52 John Clark said the following: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: To me the logic of trinity is perverse in the same extent as quantum

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.05.2012 22:21 Craig Weinberg said the following: On May 7, 3:37 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: ... Sure science grew out of Christianity, out of the decay and fragmentation of Christianity. When Christianity was strong and in control is what we call The Dark Ages. Now that

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.05.2012 22:06 meekerdb said the following: On 5/6/2012 10:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 05.05.2012 23:34 meekerdb said the following: ... I would agree with that. Rome fell for other, more material reasons. But its fall created a power vacuum which was filled by organized

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.05.2012 04:17 meekerdb said the following: On 5/6/2012 5:47 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 6, 4:06 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: Newton, Boyle, Tyndall, Descarte, Laplace, Kepler,...none of them were from the universities, which were dominated by theology. All of them were

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.05.2012 19:52 John Clark said the following: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: To me the logic of trinity is perverse in the same extent as quantum mechanics. Perverse it may be but it's not my business to judge what quantum mechanics does in

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.05.2012 20:01 meekerdb said the following: On 5/7/2012 10:35 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... It must have had its causes, but I note that it coincided with the reformation and the fragmentation of the Church's power. Science developed most in England where Henry VIII had divorced

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.05.2012 20:11 meekerdb said the following: On 5/7/2012 10:42 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.05.2012 04:17 meekerdb said the following: On 5/6/2012 5:47 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 6, 4:06 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: Newton, Boyle, Tyndall, Descarte, Laplace, Kepler

Re: The Brain Minds Whether We Believe in Free Will or Not

2012-05-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.05.2012 23:34 meekerdb said the following: On 5/5/2012 1:07 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... According to Prof Hoenen, the logic of trinity was at that time basically in the blood. He gave several examples including even Marx. According to Prof Hoenen, the logic in Marx's Capital

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