Re: Vote to make ecocide illegal

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 11 February 2014 19:01, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: The Vostok ice core data, from which Atm. temperature and CO2 content have been extracted, suggests that at least for the last half million years climate change has been a natural occurrence, apparently based on fluctuations

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 11 February 2014 17:21, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 04:57:50PM +1300, LizR wrote: You wouldn't need to say that if you could show what's wrong with it! :-) (Sorry!) I think the chances are a TOE will have to go a looong way before it's

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 11 February 2014 18:40, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: String theory based on Maldacena's conjecture predicted the viscosity of the quark-gluon plasma before it was measured Correctly, I assume. and more recently explained the mechanism behind EPR based on Einstein-Rosen

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
Speaking of suicide, God etc... http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/11/world/middleeast/suicide-bomb-instructor-accidentally-kills-iraqi-pupils.html As Richard Dawkins asked, do they still get the virgins? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Re: Vote to make ecocide illegal

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:41 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2014 19:01, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: The Vostok ice core data, from which Atm. temperature and CO2 content have been extracted, suggests that at least for the last half million years climate change

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2014 18:40, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: String theory based on Maldacena's conjecture predicted the viscosity of the quark-gluon plasma before it was measured Correctly, I assume. and more

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2014 18:40, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: String theory based on Maldacena's conjecture predicted the viscosity of the quark-gluon plasma before it was measured Correctly, I assume. More accurately

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread meekerdb
On 2/11/2014 12:42 AM, LizR wrote: On 11 February 2014 17:21, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 04:57:50PM +1300, LizR wrote: You wouldn't need to say that if you could show what's wrong with it! :-)

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, I agree that Individual relativistic equations from a particular coordinate system don't support p-time simultaneity but comparing both equations of the two coordinate systems in the system, e.g. twin A and twin B, relativity clearly DOES imply a notion of p-time simultaneity because it

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, If you don't agree with anything I've said, with any of the answers I've provided to your numerous questions, then I have to assume your motive is asking all these questions is not to learn anything about the theory (since you say your mind is already made up and you believe in block

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 8:55 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/11/2014 12:42 AM, LizR wrote: On 11 February 2014 17:21, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 04:57:50PM +1300, LizR wrote: You wouldn't need to say that if you could show what's

Human brain artificially created in laboratory

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
The title of this article is a bit of a reach. But these lab results regarding self-organizing may be of interest to this list. Richard Human brain artificially created in laboratory Published on Mon, Feb 10, 2014 by livia rusu Post filled in: Genetics, Mind Brain Human embryonic stem cells

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, If you don't agree with anything I've said, with any of the answers I've provided to your numerous questions, then I have to assume your motive is asking all these questions is not to learn anything about the

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

2014-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2014, at 00:18, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 10 February 2014 22:30, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I can't know that either. If you are conscious, you might well become a zombie after the substitution, if comp is false for example. I cannot know for sure that comp is

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2014, at 01:42, meekerdb wrote: On 2/10/2014 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Feb 2014, at 06:08, meekerdb wrote: On 2/9/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Even on his argument, that nobody understand but him, against step 3? Then I invite you to attempt to explain it to

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2014, at 02:35, LizR wrote: On 11 February 2014 13:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/10/2014 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Feb 2014, at 06:08, meekerdb wrote: On 2/9/2014 12:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Even on his argument, that nobody understand but him,

What are numbers? What is math?

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, In a computational reality everything consists of information in the computational space of reality/existence, whose presence within it gives it its reality. By taking place within reality these computations produce real universe results. All this information is ultimately quantized into

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, But I just gave you an empirical method to determine which separate observer clock times coincide with the same p-time, and I gave nearly a half dozen examples of actually doing that. And YOU were the one that suggested you assume some of my assumptions and tell me whether my other

Re: Vote to make ecocide illegal

2014-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2014, at 03:57, LizR wrote: On 11 February 2014 15:22, Hal Ruhl halr...@alum.syracuse.edu wrote: Hi Liz: I am not sure I understand your comment. As to rate I posit a positive feedback loop in the life system that forces natural ecocide that also makes the rate at which life

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, I agree that Individual relativistic equations from a particular coordinate system don't support p-time simultaneity but comparing both equations of the two coordinate systems in the system, e.g. twin A and twin

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

2014-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2014, at 04:07, meekerdb wrote: On 2/10/2014 2:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Feb 2014, at 06:09, meekerdb wrote: On 2/9/2014 1:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Feb 2014, at 22:27, meekerdb wrote: On 2/8/2014 12:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: An epiphenomenalist would say

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, OK, I see which assumptions A, B, and C you are referring to now. I was looking for them in the link you gave. I agree assumption C is incorrect because I NEVER CLAIMED that. I even gave an example in which it was NOT true. Specifically when A is in a gravitational field and his clock

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2014, at 04:15, LizR wrote: On 11 February 2014 15:59, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/10/2014 5:35 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 February 2014 13:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/10/2014 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Feb 2014, at 06:08, meekerdb wrote: On

Re: Discovery of quantum vibrations in brain microtubules confirms Hameroff/Penrose consciousness theory basis

2014-02-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, February 2, 2014 6:36:24 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript: wrote: Although it doesn't necessarily follow the digital transformation of consciousness is perfectly consistent with the matter in the desk I'm

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

2014-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2014, at 04:15, meekerdb wrote: On 2/10/2014 3:18 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The laws of physics or arithmetic makes it possible for you to express your point, but the content of your post is explained by your awareness of the questions, your taste for the field, your

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

2014-02-11 Thread meekerdb
On 2/11/2014 8:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Feb 2014, at 04:15, meekerdb wrote: On 2/10/2014 3:18 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The laws of physics or arithmetic makes it possible for you to express your point, but the content of your post is explained by your awareness of the

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
Edgar, you wanted me to address your examples so I will, although I thought it better to hold off on this until we settled the question of whether the basic assumption you seem to be making in case #1 leads to contradictions. Given your recent post at

Re: Modal Logic (Part 3: summary + 1 exercise)

2014-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2014, at 04:27, LizR wrote: On 10 February 2014 01:49, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: So with - and f we can define all connectors. Is there a connector (like , V, -, ...) such that all connectors can be defined from it? You just said that ... oh do you mean without

Re: What are numbers? What is math?

2014-02-11 Thread ghibbsa
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 4:07:07 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote: All, In a computational reality everything consists of information in the computational space of reality/existence, whose presence within it gives it its reality. By taking place within reality these computations produce

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, The point to understand here is the very fact that relativity describes different frames that are BOTH simultaneously true from different relativistic perspectives requires that there actually is a background independent of any PARTICULAR frame that all frames are true within.. This

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, Your condition C. was not example dependent. You just need to rephrase your condition C. as two observers with no relative motion AND in identical gravitational fields. Then it does hold and is consistent with conditions A and B. I already gave several examples. In this case both A's

Re: Discovery of quantum vibrations in brain microtubules confirms Hameroff/Penrose consciousness theory basis

2014-02-11 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:35 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, February 2, 2014 6:36:24 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:29 AM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Although it doesn't necessarily follow the digital transformation of consciousness is perfectly

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

2014-02-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:51:58 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 11 February 2014 11:23, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Continuity and the idea that physical laws will be consistent in different times and places are definitely assumptions. They could turn out

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2014, at 04:40, meekerdb wrote: On 2/10/2014 7:15 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 February 2014 15:59, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/10/2014 5:35 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 February 2014 13:42, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/10/2014 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Feb

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2014, at 05:21, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 04:57:50PM +1300, LizR wrote: You wouldn't need to say that if you could show what's wrong with it! :-) (Sorry!) I think the chances are a TOE will have to go a looong way before it's likely to make predictions

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, Sorry, that should read t will always = t'', not, t will always + t'. Edgar On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:13:51 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Jesse, Your condition C. was not example dependent. You just need to rephrase your condition C. as two observers with no relative motion

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Darn, t' NOT t''! Edgar On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:37:54 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Jesse, Sorry, that should read t will always = t'', not, t will always + t'. Edgar On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:13:51 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: Jesse, Your condition C. was not

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 00:41, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2014 18:40, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: String theory based on Maldacena's conjecture predicted the viscosity of the quark-gluon

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 02:55, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/11/2014 12:42 AM, LizR wrote: On 11 February 2014 17:21, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 04:57:50PM +1300, LizR wrote: You wouldn't need to say that if you could show what's wrong

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

2014-02-11 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: My question was what is the unique consistent definition of the 1p after the duplication has been performed?. In the 3-1 view, that does not exist, Then the 1p is of no use to anyone and neither is the 3-1 view

Re: What are numbers? What is math?

2014-02-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
I think that the opposite of everything that you are saying makes more sense.: On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:07:07 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: So the take away is that : 1. The universe, and everything in it, consists of information only. And that information consists only of

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, Your condition C. was not example dependent. You just need to rephrase your condition C. as two observers with no relative motion AND in identical gravitational fields. Then it does hold and is consistent with

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, The point to understand here is the very fact that relativity describes different frames that are BOTH simultaneously true from different relativistic perspectives requires that there actually is a background

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:42 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 00:41, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2014 18:40, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: String theory based on

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 08:50, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:42 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 00:41, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2014 18:40,

Nagel on Explanation

2014-02-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
Explanation, unlike causation is not just of an event but of an event under a description. An explanation must show why it was likely than an event *of that type* occurred. - Thomas Nagel This quote applies to my rejection of Comp since Comp does not explain why there is any such type of

Re: Vote to make ecocide illegal

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 00:38, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:41 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2014 19:01, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: The Vostok ice core data, from which Atm. temperature and CO2 content have been extracted,

Re: Vote to make ecocide illegal

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 05:18, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Feb 2014, at 03:57, LizR wrote: On 11 February 2014 15:22, Hal Ruhl halr...@alum.syracuse.edu wrote: Hi Liz: I am not sure I understand your comment. As to rate I posit a positive feedback loop in the life system that

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 05:29, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, I agree that Individual relativistic equations from a particular coordinate system don't support p-time simultaneity but comparing both

Re: Human brain artificially created in laboratory

2014-02-11 Thread John Mikes
Richard: I salute every step forward, trhey may (or may not) further our cognitive and operative advancement. This work is in the line of a positive trend - maybe overestimated in its efficiency - as most are. If they wll be able to 'evolve' smarter individuals, I place all my blessings on their

Re: Vote to make ecocide illegal

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:22 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 00:38, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:41 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 February 2014 19:01, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: The Vostok ice core data,

Re: Human brain artificially created in laboratory

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
ASK A PHYSICIAN. I went to med school until I was too sick to continue. But I learned enough to never ASK A PHYSICIAN. On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:42 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Richard: I salute every step forward, trhey may (or may not) further our cognitive and operative

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:10 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 08:50, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:42 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 00:41, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:45

Re: Nagel on Explanation

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Explanation, unlike causation is not just of an event but of an event under a description. An explanation must show why it was likely than an event *of that type* occurred. - Thomas Nagel This quote applies to my

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 10:55, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:10 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 08:50, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:42 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 00:41,

Re: Vote to make ecocide illegal

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 10:48, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:22 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see that. Warming oceans have less capacity to absorb gas from the atmosphere, and would eventually start to release it back again, at which point we'll

Re: Vote to make ecocide illegal

2014-02-11 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Bruno and Liz: I think it is not fruitful to look further at the words natural and unnatural. They seem to carry too much baggage. I should not have used them. I suggest looking at my post I pointed to:

Re: Modal Logic (Part 3: summary + 1 exercise)

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 06:31, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Smullyan's brother, if I remember well, told to the little Raymond --'tonight, I will surprise you, I promise!' Little Raymond waited all the night, but got nothing, so at morning he complained to his brother I thought you

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, Your example does NOT establish any inconsistency. I NEVER said I'm pretty sure you've said before that you agree that if SR predicts two clocks meet at a single point in spacetime, their two readings at that point must be simultaneous in p-time). That is NOT true. Only if there is no

Re: Human brain artificially created in laboratory

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, I agree. As I recall physicians and hospitals are the 4th leading cause of DEATH in the US. Edgar On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 4:52:40 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: ASK A PHYSICIAN. I went to med school until I was too sick to continue. But I learned enough to never ASK A PHYSICIAN.

Re: Nagel on Explanation

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Richard, And that must be rejected logically as well... Edgar On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:03:21 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Explanation, unlike causation is not just of an event but of an event

RE: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread chris peck
Hi Chris dM and Bruno etc Once, Chris Peck said that he was convinced by Clark's argument) and I invited him to elaborate, as that might give possible lightening. He did not comply, and I was beginning that UDA was problematical for people named Chris. I think Clark should elaborate on

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
Yeah The Quiet Earth is great.and was made in New Zealand, to boot! On 12 February 2014 13:17, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Chris dM and Bruno etc Once, Chris Peck said that he was convinced by Clark's argument) and I invited him to elaborate, as that might give

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 07:46:48AM +1300, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 02:55, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: My problem with this is that I don't believe in arithmetical realism in the sense required for this argument. I think consciousness depends of consciousness *of* an

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, Your example does NOT establish any inconsistency. I NEVER said I'm pretty sure you've said before that you agree that if SR predicts two clocks meet at a single point in spacetime, their two readings at that

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 07:31:24PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: You are right, the qualia are in X1* \ X1, like we get quanta in S4Grz1, Z1*, X1*. The only thing you can say is that qualia ought to obey the axioms of X1*\X1, (and even that supposes that Z captures all observations, which I

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 13:50, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 07:46:48AM +1300, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 02:55, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: My problem with this is that I don't believe in arithmetical realism in the sense required for

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 7:46 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Instantaneously pause has no frame-independent meaning in relativity, do you disagree? If A and B are in relative motion, and unlike my example above, B is *not* at the same point in spacetime as A when A turns some age

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread meekerdb
On 2/11/2014 4:50 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 07:46:48AM +1300, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 02:55, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: My problem with this is that I don't believe in arithmetical realism in the sense required for this argument. I think

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread meekerdb
On 2/11/2014 4:56 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 13:50, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 07:46:48AM +1300, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 02:55, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Jesse, Let me clarify my response since I see it's slightly ambiguous. First every observer in the universe is ALWAYS at the same point in p-time ALL the time with all other observers. No exceptions. The question is what clock times of various observers correspond to a same point of p-time?

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 14:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/11/2014 4:56 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 13:50, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 07:46:48AM +1300, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 02:55, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 15:23, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, Let me clarify my response since I see it's slightly ambiguous. First every observer in the universe is ALWAYS at the same point in p-time ALL the time with all other observers. No exceptions. The question is what

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:00 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 10:55, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:10 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 08:50, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 1:42

Re: Vote to make ecocide illegal

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:45 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 10:48, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:22 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see that. Warming oceans have less capacity to absorb gas from the atmosphere, and

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

2014-02-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 12 February 2014 05:21, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:51:58 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 11 February 2014 11:23, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Continuity and the idea that physical laws will be consistent in different times and

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 16:23, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Bell's Inequality in my opinion does not explain the mechanism of EPR. The Einstein-Rosen bridge does. It explains how entangled particles maintain their connection. I don't understand what you mean. Bell's inequality

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
In case my explanation isn't clear... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_inequality#Original_Bell.27s_inequality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHSH_inequality -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 16:23, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Bell's Inequality in my opinion does not explain the mechanism of EPR. The Einstein-Rosen bridge does. It explains how entangled particles maintain their

Re: Vote to make ecocide illegal

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
You'll have to explain what you mean. The spike for the PETM is very thin, I can't tell exactly because the scale is too large but it looks to me as if it's around the specified 0.2 Myr. (It's the little horizontal line sticking out to the right, with an arrow pointing to it labelled PETM). On the

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
Oops editing too fast, remove the last of. On 12 February 2014 16:45, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 16:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 16:23, Richard Ruquist

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 16:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 16:23, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Bell's Inequality in my opinion does not explain the mechanism of EPR. The Einstein-Rosen

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread meekerdb
On 2/11/2014 7:12 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 14:43, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/11/2014 4:56 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 13:50, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Wed,

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:45 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 16:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 16:23, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Bell's Inequality in my

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread meekerdb
On 2/11/2014 7:45 PM, LizR wrote: On 12 February 2014 16:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com mailto:yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 16:23, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com

Re: Suicide Words God and Ideas

2014-02-11 Thread LizR
On 12 February 2014 17:16, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:45 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014 16:33, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:29 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 February 2014

Re: Block Universes

2014-02-11 Thread Jesse Mazer
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: Jesse, Let me clarify my response since I see it's slightly ambiguous. First every observer in the universe is ALWAYS at the same point in p-time ALL the time with all other observers. No exceptions. The question is