Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra wrote: > > >> * >A concept of "influence" without any information transfer is >> ambiguous. The meaning of this "influence" will be dependent on the >> particular interpretation used, it has no

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On 7/30/2018 4:11 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Brent Meeker >wrote: >> Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in the "Shut Up And Calculate" quantum interpretation and are only

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra wrote: > * >A concept of "influence" without any information transfer is ambiguous. > The meaning of this "influence" will be dependent on the particular > interpretation used, it has no operational meaning.* Communicating is not the same as

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:51 PM, wrote: > Isn't it fair to say that the postulates of QM are generally NOT simple, > and generally NOT self-evidently true? Yes I think that's a fair statement. Before 1900 nobody would dream of suggesting something like Quantum Mechanics but after that date

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From: *smitra* mailto:smi...@zonnet.nl>> On 31-07-2018 01:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: JOHN CLARK mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> Einstein didn't say nothing can move faster than light, he only said matter and energy and information can't. Thanks to recent

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 31-07-2018 01:51, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: JOHN CLARK Einstein didn't say nothing can move faster than light, he only said matter and energy and information can't. Thanks to recent experiments with Bell's Inequality we already have rock solid evidence that quantum influences (but not

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 11:11:56 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> > >> >>> Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in >>> the "Shut Up And Calculate" quantum interpretation and are only interested >>> in

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

From: *John Clark* mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> Einstein didn't say nothing can move faster than light, he only said matter and energy and information can't. Thanks to recent experiments with Bell's Inequality we already have rock solid evidence that quantum influences (but not information)

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/30/2018 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > *and claims the system being measured is physically in all eigenstates > simultaneously before measurement.* > > > > Nobody claims that this is true. But most of us would I think

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On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:33 PM, wrote: > *the wf has infinite extent (as does the probability density). This would > imply INSTANTANEOUS propagation when the wf is created -- much worse than > FTL!* Einstein didn't say nothing can move faster than light, he only said matter and energy and

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On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in >> the "Shut Up And Calculate" quantum interpretation and are only interested >> in predicting how far to the right a indicator needle on a meter moves in a >>

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On 7/30/2018 9:58 AM, John Clark wrote: > /Forget collapse./ Many, perhaps most, physicists do exactly that because they believe in the "Shut Up And Calculate" quantum interpretation and are only interested in predicting how far to the right a indicator needle on a meter moves in

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I always look forward to your tutorials in logic...even if I don't mistake them for reality. :-) Brent On 7/30/2018 8:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If some people are interested, I can show how the two axioms Kxy = x and Sxyz (+ few legality axioms and rules, but without classical logic

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/30/2018 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: *and claims the system being measured is physically in all eigenstates simultaneously before measurement.* Nobody claims that this is true. But most of us would I think agree that this is what happens if you describe the couple “observer

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 4:58:07 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 5:16 PM, > > wrote: > > *>Why obsess about the alleged FTL collapse of the wf?* > > FTL is not the problem, every experimental result and every quantum > interpretation I've ever heard of says information

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On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 5:16 PM, wrote: *>Why obsess about the alleged FTL collapse of the wf?* FTL is not the problem, every experimental result and every quantum interpretation I've ever heard of says information can not travel faster than light because that is the top speed of causation. >

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> On 30 Jul 2018, at 04:13, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> >> >> If you want to know why so many of us are under the spell of MWI and have >> demented our own view of reality into a stark violation of what ours senses >> so plainly tell us (and you),

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> On 29 Jul 2018, at 11:26, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 9:10:57 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 7:40:44 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Jul 2018, at 11:11, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> >> >> On

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> On 29 Jul 2018, at 11:10, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 7:40:44 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Jul 2018, at 11:11, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 7/25/2018 11:54

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > From: Jason Resch > > > If you want to know why so many of us are under the spell of MWI and have > demented our own view of reality into a stark violation of what ours senses > so plainly tell us (and you), it is because we have found the

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From: *Jason Resch* mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> If you want to know why so many of us are under the spell of MWI and have demented our own view of reality into a stark violation of what ours senses so plainly tell us (and you), it is because we have found the conceptual problems that arise

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 4:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > *Facts provide finite amount of information, * > Yes, but most theories provide no information at all because most theories are worthless. Its rather incredible, this list has become so effete and unscientific that I actually have to

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 8:17:34 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 5:32:37 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> *>If you want to know why so many of us are under the spell of MWI and >>> have

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 5:32:37 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Jason Resch > wrote: > > *>If you want to know why so many of us are under the spell of MWI and >> have demented our own view of reality into a stark violation of what ours >> senses so

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Jason Resch wrote: *>If you want to know why so many of us are under the spell of MWI and have > demented our own view of reality into a stark violation of what ours senses > so plainly tell us (and you), it is because we have found the conceptual > problems

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

If you want to know why so many of us are under the spell of MWI and have demented our own view of reality into a stark violation of what ours senses so plainly tell us (and you), it is because we have found the conceptual problems that arise from rejecting MWI an even harder pill to swallow. The

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 9:10:57 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 7:40:44 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Jul 2018, at 11:11, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 7:40:44 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Jul 2018, at 11:11, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 7/25/2018 11:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 25 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Jason Resch

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 28 Jul 2018, at 19:20, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 7:48 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >>Despite what the current President of the USA says facts actually exist; > >>and so it is not an assumption it is a FACT that neither I nor anybody else

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> On 28 Jul 2018, at 11:11, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > On 7/25/2018 11:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 25 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Jason Resch > >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:47 PM,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 28 Jul 2018, at 06:42, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:20:55PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> According to CERN(*), very recently, some neutrino would have a FTL > speed. > > Did you check the date of that post? I think you might have been > pranked. OK. Good!

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 7:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Despite what the current President of the USA says facts actually exist; >> and so it is not an assumption it is a FACT that neither I nor anybody else >> has ever seen a calculation other than the physical sort. > > > > > *That is an

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> On 27 Jul 2018, at 17:59, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 6:53 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >>Neither I nor anybody else has ever seen a calculation other than the > >>physical sort, > > >You assume Aristotle philosophy, > > Despite what the

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:26:56 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/25/2018 11:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Jason Resch > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/24/2018 7:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >>

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On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:20:55PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > According to CERN(*), very recently, some neutrino would have a FTL speed. Did you check the date of that post? I think you might have been pranked. More seriously, there were some experimental results indicating FTL neutrinos

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On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 6:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> Neither I nor anybody else has ever seen a calculation other than the >> physical sort, > > > *>You assume Aristotle philosophy,* > Despite what the current President of the USA says facts actually exist; and so it is not an

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 26 Jul 2018, at 21:50, Jason Resch > wrote: > > All you've managed to demonstrate below is that computations that don't > happen in this physicals universe can't affect this universe. Indeed, and note that Clark's demonstration correctness is debatable. If

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 26 Jul 2018, at 21:03, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >>In a world that contains first person duplicating machines there is no such > >>thing as THE first person. > > >That would contradict computationalism

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 26 Jul 2018, at 20:03, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Jason Resch > wrote: > > >you make this error when you say only matter and energy can perform > >computations, because those are the only computations you have seen. > > Neither I

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

Integers and their relations. Possibly permits the derivation of all physical laws purely from number theory. Jason -Original Message- From: Jason Resch To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? Other mathematics

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

All you've managed to demonstrate below is that computations that don't happen in this physicals universe can't affect this universe. You've done *zero* so far to show that computations can't occur outside this physical universe. Actually, you agreed that they could at one point in this thread.

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 1:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 25 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/24/2018 7:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>>

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/25/2018 11:54 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Jason Resch > wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/24/2018 7:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:47

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> In a world that contains first person duplicating machines there is no >> such thing as *THE* first person. > > > *>That would contradict computationalism immediately, because it would > mean that the first person in M has disappeared*

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: *>you make this error when you say only matter and energy can perform > computations, because those are the only computations you have seen.* > Neither I nor anybody else has ever seen a calculation other than the physical sort, and nobody has

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> On 25 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > > > On 7/24/2018 7:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Brent Meeker > > wrote: >> >>

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On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/24/2018 7:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/24/2018 7:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 10:44 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>

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on and the unknown. Bruno > > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Resch > To: Everything List > Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 11:40 pm > Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? > > Other mathematics might work, but this seems to be the absolute simp

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> On 25 Jul 2018, at 05:47, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/24/2018 7:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Brent Meeker > > wrote: >> >> >> On 7/24/2018 7:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 10:44 PM

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ything List <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 11:40 pm > Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? > > Other mathematics might work, but this seems to be the absolute simplest and > with the least assumptions. It comes from pure m

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On 7/24/2018 7:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/24/2018 7:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 10:44 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 7/23/2018 8:40

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TOE that assumes no more than Integers and their relations. Possibly permits the derivation of all physical laws purely from number theory. Jason > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Resch > To: Everything List > Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 11:40 pm > Subject: Re: Do

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/24/2018 7:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 10:44 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/23/2018 8:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> > Other mathematics might work, but this seems to be the absolute >> > simplest

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

So its just a means of propagating IF statements! -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 9:06 am Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? On 23 Jul 2018, at 21:09, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: navigation

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On 7/24/2018 7:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 10:44 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/23/2018 8:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > Other mathematics might work, but this seems to be the absolute > simplest and with the least assumptions.  It

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

Yielding (Here comes the awful question) The knowledge of our Diophantine-connected existence, does what for us? Implications?? -Original Message- From: Jason Resch To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 11:40 pm Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 10:44 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/23/2018 8:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > Other mathematics might work, but this seems to be the absolute > > simplest and with the least assumptions. It comes from pure > > mathematical truth concerning integers. You don't need set

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 23 Jul 2018, at 16:34, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > >> After duplication it would be misleading to call anything "THE Abby". > >> Abby-1 is just Abby plus something extra, lets call it M. And Abby-2

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 24 Jul 2018, at 05:44, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 7/23/2018 8:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> Other mathematics might work, but this seems to be the absolute simplest and >> with the least assumptions. It comes from pure mathematical truth >> concerning integers. You don't need set

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+ F^2(D^2 - A^2))^2 - 1)(2R + 1 + JC)^2 + 1 END ======== > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: everything-list > Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 7:24 am > Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? > > > On 21 Jul 2018, at 18:

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 7/23/2018 8:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Other mathematics might work, but this seems to be the absolute simplest and with the least assumptions.  It comes from pure mathematical truth concerning integers.  You don't need set theory, or reals, or machines with infinite tapes. You just need

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

List > Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 7:19 pm > Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? > > There is a diophantine equation whose solutions correspond to every > possible execution of every halting program. Just as a simple equation > defines/creates all the richness

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Message- From: Jason Resch To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 7:19 pm Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? There is a diophantine equation whose solutions correspond to every possible execution of every halting program. Just as a simple equation defines/creates

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onential Diophantine > equation* is one in which exponents on terms can be unknowns. > > ***I'd guess no-based on the above description*** > > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: everything-list > Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 7:24 am > Subject: Re: D

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 11:14 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 8:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > *​>​Is there a copy of you reading this article? A person who is not you >> but who lives on a planet called Earth, with misty mountains, fertile >> fields and sprawling cities,* >> >

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can be unknowns. **I'd guess no-based on the above description** -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2018 7:24 am Subject: Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation? On 21 Jul 2018, at 18:02, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2018

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On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 8:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote: *​>​Is there a copy of you reading this article? A person who is not you > but who lives on a planet called Earth, with misty mountains, fertile > fields and sprawling cities,* > Maybe. If the universe is infinite (and not just astronomical)

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 7:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> After duplication it would be misleading to call anything "THE Abby". >> Abby-1 is just Abby plus something extra, lets call it M. And Abby-2 is >> just Abby plus something extra that is different, lets call it W. Both are >> Abby but

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> On 21 Jul 2018, at 18:02, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:17 AM, Jason Resch > wrote: > > >> If "Abbey" is the being before the teleportation then obviously by > >> definition "Abbey" will not exist after the teleportation. Are you sure > >>

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 5:33 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 1:35 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > ​>>​ >>> those theories have nothing to do with our self identification so why >>> are we even talking about it? >>> >> >> *​>​Because the problem of self identification becomes a

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 1:35 AM, Jason Resch wrote: ​>>​ >> those theories have nothing to do with our self identification so why are >> we even talking about it? >> > > *​>​Because the problem of self identification becomes a fundamental > problem in ultimate ensemble theories.* > We don't

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On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 11:02 AM, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:17 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > >> If "Abbey" is the being before the teleportation then obviously by >> definition "Abbey" will not exist after the teleportation. Are you sure you >> really want to go with that

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On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:17 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> If "Abbey" is the being before the teleportation then obviously by > definition "Abbey" will not exist after the teleportation. Are you sure you > really want to go with that definition? *> Okay we can go with your definition as anyone who

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 19 Jul 2018, at 03:00, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:14 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > ​>>​the way to measure distance was so intuitively obvious that we didn’t > even suspect there were other ways until a century ago. > > ​>​Either your

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Awaiting the dodge... The oblivion... And round and round we go.. 15 years of fun. Quentin Le jeu. 19 juil. 2018 à 15:18, Jason Resch a écrit : > > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:15 PM, John Clark wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >> >>> ​>>​ We're right

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On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:15 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > >> ​>>​ >>> We're right back to Bruno's definition problem. I can't answer your >>> question until you make clear what you mean by "Abby". I can tell you >>> exactly precisely what I

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On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 6:25 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > ​>>​ >> We're right back to Bruno's definition problem. I can't answer your >> question until you make clear what you mean by "Abby". I can tell you >> exactly precisely what I mean by "Abby", its whoever remembers being Abby >> before the

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>>​ >> the way to measure distance was so intuitively obvious that we didn’t >> even suspect there were other ways until a century ago. > > > ​>​ > Either your p-adic system is Turing universal, and then you can take it as > the primary

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:09 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > >> *​>​Suppose Abby the guinea pig wants to travel long distance, say from >> Earth to Mars. On Earth she enters the scanner which scans her body and >> brain cells in great detail at

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> On 16 Jul 2018, at 19:09, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Jason Resch > wrote: > > ​>​Suppose Abby the guinea pig wants to travel long distance, say from Earth > to Mars. On Earth she enters the scanner which scans her body and brain

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On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > *​>​Suppose Abby the guinea pig wants to travel long distance, say from > Earth to Mars. On Earth she enters the scanner which scans her body and > brain cells in great detail at an instant of time, down to all molecular > details that are

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> On 13 Jul 2018, at 03:01, John Clark wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> ​​If you want to use Euclidean geometry or even the sort of >> non-Euclidean geometry Einstein used you've got to use standard arithmetic, >> but

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:23 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > That would be true if the man were like you and didn't understand what the > words "YOU WILL BE DUPLICATED" mean. > > ​ >>> ​>>​ >>> Bruno, you're always talking about definitions but

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​​ If you want to use Euclidean geometry or even the sort of non-Euclidean geometry Einstein used you've got to use standard arithmetic, but there are other ways. For example, in the 7-adic system the distance between 5

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> On 9 Jul 2018, at 19:23, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > ​>>​By using p-adic numbers mathematicians found more than a century ago > there are a infinity of ways the numbers could be arranged because there are > a

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>>​ >> By using p-adic numbers mathematicians found more than a century ago >> there are a infinity of ways the numbers could be arranged because there >> are a infinity of ways distance between numbers could be defined and all of >> them are

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 9 Jul 2018, at 00:25, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: >> ​>​>>​ ​​p​ysicists assume arithmetic to make sense of the observations. >> >> ​>>​Yes, whatever way that numbers are manipulated it must be consistent >> with

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On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > ​> >>> ​>>​ >>> * ​​p​**ysicists assume arithmetic to make sense of the observations.* >> >> >> ​>>​ >> Yes, whatever way that numbers are manipulated it must be consistent with >> PHYSICAL observations, if physical reality was different

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 7 Jul 2018, at 19:31, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:35 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > ​>>​So you now admit that the experts who specialize in the study of physical > phenomena have, just as I said, "never seen a demonstration of a non-physical

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>>​ >> So you now admit that the experts who specialize in the study of physical >> phenomena have, just as I said, "never seen a demonstration of a >> non-physical calculation “ . > > > *​>​Yes. Computability is born in mathematical logic,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 5 Jul 2018, at 17:19, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:55 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> ​>>​>>​​​Nobody has ever seen a demonstration of a non-physical calculation >> in a book and nobody ever will. >> >> ​>​>>​ ​That contradicts all

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​>>​ ​ ​Nobody has ever seen a demonstration of a non-physical calculation in a book and nobody ever will. >>> >>> >>> ​> >>> ​>>​ >>> * ​* >>> *That contradicts all publication in the field.* >>> >> >> ​>>​ >>> Maybe

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 4 Jul 2018, at 23:28, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > ​>>​​Nobody has ever seen a demonstration of a non-physical calculation in a > book and nobody ever will. > > ​> ​That contradicts all publication in the

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>>​ >> ​Nobody has ever seen a demonstration of a non-physical calculation in a >> book and nobody ever will. > > > ​>* ​* > *That contradicts all publication in the field.* > Maybe that's true if your field is flying saucer men in Roswell

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 3 Jul 2018, at 00:50, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2018 at 05:31:33PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Jul 2018, at 19:27, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Bruno Marchal >> > wrote: >>> But you should not

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 2 Jul 2018, at 20:19, John Clark wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > ​>​The demonstration is given in those books. It is long and technical. > > ​Nobody has ever seen a demonstration of a non-physical calculation in a book >

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 02, 2018 at 05:31:33PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Jul 2018, at 19:27, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Bruno Marchal > > wrote: > > > > > But you should not confuse the arithmetical reality with a book, be it > > >

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > ​>​ > *The demonstration is given in those books. It is long and technical.* > ​Nobody has ever seen a demonstration of a non-physical calculation in a book and nobody ever will. ​>​ > *The book explains that computation is a purely

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

> On 1 Jul 2018, at 19:27, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > But you should not confuse the arithmetical reality with a book, be it > > virtual or relatively material. > One of us is very confused that much is

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: *> But you should not confuse the arithmetical reality with a book, be it > virtual or relatively material.* One of us is very confused that much is certain. You think arithmetical reality is the only reality there is and the book is real but

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