Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Sunday, March 10, 2019 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 5:29 PM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > *> in the biological world certain problems that are NP are figured out. >> This runs from ants finding the minimal distance for their trails or even >> protistans

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 10 Mar 2019, at 21:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/10/2019 6:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 9 Mar 2019, at 01:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/8/2019 2:28 AM,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 5:29 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *> in the biological world certain problems that are NP are figured out. > This runs from ants finding the minimal distance for their trails or even > protistans negotiating some space. Ants are good at

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On 3/10/2019 2:29 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 5:18:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 3/7/2019 2:15 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: This makes a lot of sense, for in the biological world certain problems that are NP are figured out. This runs from ants

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 5:18:56 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 3/7/2019 2:15 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > This makes a lot of sense, for in the biological world certain problems > that are NP are figured out. This runs from ants finding the minimal > distance for their trails or even

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On 3/10/2019 6:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 9 Mar 2019, at 01:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 3/8/2019 2:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Why is the probability not 1.0. Why is there any effect at all in any continuation? Why

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 9 Mar 2019, at 01:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/8/2019 2:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Why is the probability not 1.0. Why is there any effect at all in any >>> continuation? Why is experience dependent on physics, if it is just a >>> matter of

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> On 8 Mar 2019, at 12:29, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 4:42:28 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 7 Mar 2019, at 23:00, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 11:47:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 6 Mar 2019, at

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On 3/8/2019 2:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Why is the probability not 1.0. Why is there any effect at all in any continuation? Why is experience dependent on physics, if it is just a matter of timeless arithmetical relations. Because to get physics you need to be able to make prediction.

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 4:42:28 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 7 Mar 2019, at 23:00, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 11:47:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 6 Mar 2019, at 22:10, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 6,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 7 Mar 2019, at 23:00, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 11:47:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 6 Mar 2019, at 22:10, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 12:20:13 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> We cannot

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 7 Mar 2019, at 22:20, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/7/2019 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 7 Mar 2019, at 05:48, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/6/2019 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I use mechanism in the

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On 3/7/2019 2:15 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: This makes a lot of sense, for in the biological world certain problems that are NP are figured out. This runs from ants finding the minimal distance for their trails or even protistans negotiating some space. Ants are good at approximately

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 12:20:13 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 6 Mar 2019, at 11:47, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 6:24:35 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:49, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 11:47:41 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 6 Mar 2019, at 22:10, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 12:20:13 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> We cannot predict in advance if a machine will stop. The extensional >>

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On 3/7/2019 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 7 Mar 2019, at 05:48, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 3/6/2019 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I use mechanism in the sense that if little daemon substitute each piece of my brain, at some resolution level, by functional digital

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 6 Mar 2019, at 22:10, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 12:20:13 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > We cannot predict in advance if a machine will stop. The extensional equality > of machines, or combinators, is unsolvable. > > > > There is some

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 7 Mar 2019, at 05:48, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 3/6/2019 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> I use mechanism in the sense that if little daemon substitute each piece of >> my brain, at some resolution level, by functional digital equivalent, then >> my

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On 3/6/2019 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I use mechanism in the sense that if little daemon substitute each piece of my brain, at some resolution level,  by functional digital equivalent, then my consciousness would not notice the difference. According to your theory, your consciousness

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 12:20:13 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > We cannot predict in advance if a machine will stop. The extensional > equality of machines, or combinators, is unsolvable. > > There is some conceptual and practical division between mathematics and applied

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 6 Mar 2019, at 11:47, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 6:24:35 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:49, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:58:01 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 7:59:04 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Mar 2019, at 19:27, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 6:23:42 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Mar 2019, at 00:43, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> >> On 3/4/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 5 Mar 2019, at 19:27, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 6:23:42 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 5 Mar 2019, at 00:43, Brent Meeker > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 3/4/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, Brent Meeker >

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 7:24:11 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2019, at 20:42, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 8:49:54 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Very interesting and rather compelling. OK. But to solve the mind body >>

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 6:24:35 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:49, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:58:01 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> Bringing Gödel

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Tuesday, March 5, 2019 at 6:23:42 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Mar 2019, at 00:43, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 3/4/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 3/3/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > >> > Here's

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 20:42, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 8:49:54 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Mar 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 9:42:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 25 Feb 2019,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 5 Mar 2019, at 00:43, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 3/4/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/3/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: Here's an example David Wallace

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On 3/4/2019 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 3/3/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: Here's an example David Wallace presents (as an "outlandish" possibility): Suppose in *pi *(which is computable, so has a

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 4 Mar 2019, at 15:13, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 5:54:24 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, Brent Meeker > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 3/3/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> Here's an example David Wallace presents

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Monday, March 4, 2019 at 5:54:24 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 3/3/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > >> > Here's an example David Wallace presents (as an "outlandish" possibility): > Suppose in *pi *(which is

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:49, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:58:01 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > Bringing Gödel into physics is treading on a mine field as it is. Believe me, > most

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 3/3/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Here's an example David Wallace presents (as an "outlandish" possibility): >> Suppose in pi (which is computable, so has a program (a spigot one, in fact) >> that produces its digits.

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 16:46, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 8:54:42 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Mar 2019, at 15:32, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 6:52:41 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, March 3,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 1:43:58 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 3/3/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > >> > Here's an example David Wallace presents (as an "outlandish" possibility): > Suppose in *pi *(which is computable, so has a *program* (a spigot one, > in fact) that produces

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:58:01 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > Bringing Gödel into physics is treading on a mine field as it is. Believe >> me, most physicists react in horror at the mere suggestion of this. I

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On 3/3/2019 4:52 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: Here's an example David Wallace presents (as an "outlandish" possibility): Suppose in *pi *(which is computable, so has a /program/ (a spigot one, in fact) that produces its digits. Suppose somewhere in that stream of digits is the Standard Model

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 8:54:42 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Mar 2019, at 15:32, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 6:52:41 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 5:58:17 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 1

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 14:32, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > I wrote quite a bit here in green color. I will look at this at ease. Thanks for the attempts. I have to re-study Gleason theorem. I am already re-assured that we would get the Born Rule in the time-independent setting, but even

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 15:32, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 6:52:41 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 5:58:17 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Mar 2019, at 19:32, Philip Thrift > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Reading all the above in

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 13:52, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 5:58:17 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Mar 2019, at 19:32, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Reading all the above in the context of >>> >>> Naturalness and Emergence >>> David Wallace >>>

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 6:52:41 AM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 5:58:17 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 1 Mar 2019, at 19:32, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Reading all the above in the context of >>> >>> *Naturalness and Emergence* >>>

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: Bringing Gödel into physics is treading on a mine field as it is. Believe > me, most physicists react in horror at the mere suggestion of this. I have > this suspicion however that quantum measurement is a a sort of Gödel

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

I wrote quite a bit here in green color. On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 6:23:04 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2019, at 19:55, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 8:49:54 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 1 Mar 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell >>

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Sunday, March 3, 2019 at 5:58:17 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2019, at 19:32, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > >> >> >> Reading all the above in the context of >> >> *Naturalness and Emergence* >> David Wallace >> February 20, 2019 >>

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 19:55, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 8:49:54 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Mar 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 9:42:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 25 Feb 2019,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 19:32, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 8:53:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Mar 2019, at 09:20, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 6:42:07 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> >> On Monday,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 8:49:54 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 9:42:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 25 Feb 2019, at 12:39, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> On Monday, February

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 8:49:54 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 9:42:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 25 Feb 2019, at 12:39, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> On Monday, February 25,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Friday, March 1, 2019 at 8:53:00 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Mar 2019, at 09:20, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 6:42:07 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 9:42:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 09:20, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 6:42:07 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > > On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 9:42:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 25 Feb 2019, at 12:39, Lawrence Crowell > >> wrote: >> >> On Monday,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 01:42, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 9:42:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 25 Feb 2019, at 12:39, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 2:44:14 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Feb

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 6:42:07 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 9:42:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 25 Feb 2019, at 12:39, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 2:44:14 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 9:42:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Feb 2019, at 12:39, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 2:44:14 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 24 Feb 2019, at 15:24, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> On Friday, February

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 11:13:07 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2019, at 02:01, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:40:32 PM UTC-7, cdemorsella wrote: >> >> Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive >>

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 28 Feb 2019, at 02:01, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:40:32 PM UTC-7, cdemorsella wrote: > Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive > Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some of

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:40:32 PM UTC-7, cdemorsella wrote: > > Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive > Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some > of the physicists on here think about this research? > > I find the

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 25 Feb 2019, at 12:39, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 2:44:14 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 24 Feb 2019, at 15:24, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 3:18:01 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 2/22/2019 11:39 AM,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 2:44:14 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Feb 2019, at 15:24, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 3:18:01 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/22/2019 11:39 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> This sounds almost tautological. I

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 24 Feb 2019, at 15:24, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 3:18:01 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 2/22/2019 11:39 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> This sounds almost tautological. I have not read Masanes' paper, but he >> seems to be saying the Born rule is a

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 3:18:01 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2019 11:39 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > This sounds almost tautological. I have not read Masanes' paper, but he > seems to be saying the Born rule is a matter of pure logic. In some ways > that is what Born said. >

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On 2/22/2019 11:39 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: This sounds almost tautological. I have not read Masanes' paper, but he seems to be saying the Born rule is a matter of pure logic. In some ways that is what Born said. The Born rule is not hard to understand. If you have a state space with

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

This sounds almost tautological. I have not read Masanes' paper, but he seems to be saying the Born rule is a matter of pure logic. In some ways that is what Born said. The Born rule is not hard to understand. If you have a state space with vectors |u_i> then a quantum state can be written as

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 9:14:35 AM UTC-6, PGC wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 11:39:21 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 15 Feb 2019, at 20:43, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 12:01:26 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 11:39:21 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 Feb 2019, at 20:43, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 12:01:26 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:12, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 15 Feb 2019, at 20:43, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 12:01:26 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:12, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 5:35:02 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 15 Feb

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 12:01:26 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:12, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 5:35:02 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 15 Feb 2019, at 08:25, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, February

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 14 Feb 2019, at 05:40, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List > wrote: > > Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive > Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some of > the physicists on here think about this research? > > I

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:12, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 5:35:02 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 15 Feb 2019, at 08:25, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:40:32 PM UTC-6, cdemorsella wrote: >> Two fascinating (and

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 5:35:02 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 Feb 2019, at 08:25, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:40:32 PM UTC-6, cdemorsella wrote: > >> Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive >> Quantim

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

> On 15 Feb 2019, at 08:25, Philip Thrift wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:40:32 PM UTC-6, cdemorsella wrote: > Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive > Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some of > the

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:40:32 PM UTC-6, cdemorsella wrote: > Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive > Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some > of the physicists on here think about this research? > > I find the

Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

Two fascinating (and very different) approaches are presented to derive Quantim Mechanics main practical tool (e.g. Born's rule). Wonder what some of the physicists on here think about this research? I find the argument that no laws is the fundamental law... and that the universe and its laws