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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:01 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
How would you define intelligence for this thing?
Jupiter Brain / Omega Point / Result of
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Well, this is exactly what your buddy Bamer does as president, ordering
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:48 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/18/2015 9:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
If you assume it is true (independent of our ability or anything in the
universe's ability to conceive it), then it is true independently of the
universe, and hence you get
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It matches my BHO visage toilet paper quite nicely.
How brave of you… by all means do whatever it takes to compensate and make
yourself feel like a man, but it don’t change the fact that you are the
On 1/18/2015 7:24 PM, LizR wrote:
On 19 January 2015 at 07:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 1/18/2015 12:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Because 2+2=4, and there's nothing you (or anyone/anything) can do to
change that.
Sure there is. 2+2=0 in
On 19 Jan 2015, at 2:51 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But my serious point is that arithmetic is a model of countable things we
invented and it's not some magic that controls what exists.
Brent
Magic? Hmmyou wish..still having trouble with the comp reversal,
you
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:34 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/18/2015 7:00 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 6:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/15/2015 6:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 1/18/2015 10:55 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
at 5:45 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Kim: Which is the Turing Universal system that doesn't show some kind of relationship
with arithmetic? Why do you feel that that reality would have to be magical
if we notice important relations with
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/18/2015 7:24 PM, LizR wrote:
On 19 January 2015 at 07:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/18/2015 12:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Because 2+2=4, and there's nothing you (or anyone/anything) can do to
On 19 Jan 2015, at 4:40 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
That you consider mod 4 to be a qualifier is just a convention of
language. If we were talking about time what's six hours after 1900: answer
0100, because there the convention is mod 24. But my serious point is that
at 5:45 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Kim: Which is the Turing Universal system that doesn't show some kind of
relationship with arithmetic? Why do you feel that that reality would have
to be magical if we notice important relations with arithmetical values?
You can notice
On 1/18/2015 10:05 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:48 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/18/2015 9:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
If you assume it is true (independent of our ability or anything in the
universe's
ability to
On 1/18/2015 7:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:14 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/18/2015 12:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:10 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/17/2015 9:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:56 PM, meekerdb
On 1/18/2015 7:00 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 1/15/2015 6:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 1/18/2015 9:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:34 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 1/18/2015 7:00 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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Concerning thread: Perhaps I'm wrong and everybody is right.
Perhaps it's also ignoring some perceived set of mentalities that get us
into these kinds of positions in the first place.
Just remember maybe to have a good day whenever we can? And if we can
afford it:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:04 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List
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On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2:52:34 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
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On Sunday, January 18,
On 19 January 2015 at 07:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/18/2015 12:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Because 2+2=4, and there's nothing you (or anyone/anything) can do to
change that.
Sure there is. 2+2=0 in mod 4 arithmetic - which is good for describing
some things.
I hope
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Yeah they might indeed be 'americanized' so to speak, or it might be that you
simply don't care whether they eventually start bombing and shooting when
things seem right to them to do so.
So says
On 1/18/2015 9:28 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 19 Jan 2015, at 2:51 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But my serious point is that arithmetic is a model of countable things we
invented and it's not some magic that controls what exists.
Brent
Magic? Hmmyou wish..still having
Thank you for those kind words! :-)
On 17 January 2015 at 13:21, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
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Of course I do believe in Daleks
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
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On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:14 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/18/2015 12:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:10 AM, meekerdb
On 1/18/2015 9:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 19 January 2015 at 07:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:10 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
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On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 5:56 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/17/2015 3:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:29 PM, meekerdb
- The question of whether Machines Can Think... is about as relevant
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Relevant as the question of whether
Submarines Can Swim.
- Dijkstra (1984) The threats to computing science
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD08xx/EWD898.html
On 1/15/2015 6:35 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:01 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
How would you define intelligence for this thing?
Jupiter Brain / Omega Point / Result of post-singularity intelligence explosion /
Platonic mind
It matches my BHO visage toilet paper quite nicely.
You must wear it like a brown shirt! Do you also sport an armband?
- Chris
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Brent, Hindus are not on a campaign worldwide to ensure their rule. Today its
the Muslims, tomorrow it may be the Hawaiian shirt wearers. The communists were
the biggest mass murderers in human history, in part due to the fact they spent
so much effort slaughtering their own people, unlike
On 18 January 2015 at 23:28, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, January 19, 2015, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote:
On 18 January 2015 at 14:42, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
wrote:
What's wrong with merely adventitious parallelism, on the lines of
I have ran this idea by Bruno, once, where as God is a Boltzmann Brain, popping
out of where ever, like a virtual particle. He didn't like it, needless to say.
The BB would somehow pop with its own false memories, and personality, I have
read. A few internet kooks conjecture that this BB would
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
The question is not if God exists or not. But if
God = the physical universe?
God = a mathematical structure? Which one?
God = a dream by a universal machine?
God = a sum on all dreams by all universal machines?
God =
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On 1/18/2015 10:03 AM, spudboy100 via
On 17 Jan 2015, at 13:29, Samiya Illias wrote:
http://m.deseretnews.com/
Michael Gerson: Modern science: Design of the divine?
By Michael Gerson, Washington Post
Published: Fri, Jan. 16 12:43 a.m.
WASHINGTON — The biographer Eric Metaxas recently made waves by
arguing that modern science
On 17 Jan 2015, at 23:29, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 1/17/2015 12:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Saturday, January 17, 2015, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Do you believe
On 18 January 2015 at 04:25, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote:
I've been reading some of the responses to the Edge 2015 question What do
you think about machines that think?:
http://edge.org/contributors/q2015
Lee Smolin's contribution contains the following statement:
So let us
On 18 Jan 2015, at 08:43, Jason Resch wrote:
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On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Do you believe that one and only one of the following statements is
true?
the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0
the
On 04 Jan 2015, at 01:51, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/3/2015 9:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 03 Jan 2015, at 06:28, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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I will take a look. Thanks.
Hmm.. Still very aristotelician. It can't work, but that kind of
reflexion might help to solve the problem. Hmm still very fuzzy on the
basic assumptions ..., his definition of information assume a universe
(and a machine).
Bruno
On 24 Dec 2014, at 00:51,
On 16 Jan 2015, at 22:24, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Take my definition of God in the Plotinus paper. That is God = the
set of Gödel numbers of the true (in the standard model) sentences
of arithmetic.
So since according
On 18 January 2015 at 18:43, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Do you believe that one and only one of the following statements is true?
the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal
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Yah! Typical proggie,
Must be one of your tea party pejoratives?
Technically, Buckwheat, I am
On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Like 0 universe, 1 universe, 2 universe, ... aleph_0 universes, aleph_1
universes, etc.
We need faith to believe in anything different from our own consciousness
here-and-now.
But our perception (part of our consciousness) provides evidence for 1
On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, everyone
believe in some God. The question is always: which one? And where it does come from, and
why.
All philosophers and most scientists have some idea about what is
Yah, could be. I was just strumming through the news when I hit this item, and
it made me think of adding it to our discussion here.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/muslim-immigrants-smash-urinate-on-virgin-mary-statue-in-italy/
Sikh's mix in, Hindu's mix in, Buddhists and Daoists mix
On 16 Jan 2015, at 10:32, LizR wrote:
Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least
having an idea of, what God is. Personally I don't disbelieve in
God, I merely find the idea highly unlikely and don't find that it
contributes anything to discussions such as why is
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Yah, could be. I was just strumming through the news when I hit this item, and
it made me think of adding it to our discussion here.
On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
But observation and personal experience never prove anything.
Spoken like a true Platonist - who never sat on a jury.
Brent
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Define telepathy, telekinesis, and remote viewing.
No.
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On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Do you believe that one
On 15 Jan 2015, at 20:47, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/15/2015 9:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I would have said by nature. Apes does not sent his fellows in gas
chambers.
But they do. Sometimes chimpanzees gang up on member of their pack
and kill him.
You are right. Chimps was not the best
Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to
enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the
forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide
into power, placed their by beleaguered votes? Paranoid
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On 17 Jan 2015, at 02:46, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/15/2015 8:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 16 Jan 2015, at 5:18 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify
myself as an atheist. I realized that
On 18 January 2015 at 14:42, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
What's wrong with merely adventitious parallelism, on the lines of
epiphenomenalism? If it seems to leave the mystery untouched, that is
because there is no logically possible solution to the hard problem of
On 15 Jan 2015, at 19:04, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/14/2015 11:52 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
In case no one has noticed, our dear president Obama has changed
the rhetoric used as cover for our Orwellian systems state of
permanent war…. The term “War on Terror” is bad
On 15 Jan 2015, at 19:18, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify myself
as an atheist. I realized that atheists believe to much in the
christian God, paradoxically enough.
By your logic one cannot disbelieve
Yah! Typical proggie,
Technically, Buckwheat, I am not a White Christian dude. Secondly, since we
have drifted into your personal vitriol, allow me, unlike Mr. Jesus, to not
turn the other cheek, but rather to reply in kind. The term WASP used to
describe the white anglo saxon protestants,
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:49 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List
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Krauss kind of irritates me, too. His book title A universe from
nothing: Why there is something rather than nothing is basically false
advertising, IMHO.
Considering the fact that Krauss
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Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to
enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the
forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and
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On 18 January 2015 at 14:42, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
wrote:
What's wrong with merely adventitious parallelism, on the lines of
epiphenomenalism? If it seems to leave the mystery untouched, that is
because
I even have a T-shirt with the printing, I Tea Bagged Nancy Pelosi. I ordered
it from zazzle. Its still hold up after 4 years
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On 1/18/2015 10:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Jan 2015, at 10:32, LizR wrote:
Clearly one cannot disbelieve in God without knowing, or at least having an idea of,
what God is. Personally I don't disbelieve in God, I merely find the idea highly
unlikely and don't find that it contributes
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Of course it isn't just France. And some countries go
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I even have a T-shirt with the printing, I Tea Bagged Nancy Pelosi. I ordered
it from zazzle. Its still hold up after 4 years
You must wear it like a brown shirt! Do you also sport an armband?
- Chris
Yeah they might indeed be 'americanized' so to speak, or it might be that you
simply don't care whether they eventually start bombing and shooting when
things seem right to them to do so. As to your economic analysis, you mean
after 6 years Seattle is all that's pulling the Obama economy from
On 1/18/2015 9:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
If you assume it is true (independent of our ability or anything in the universe's
ability to conceive it), then it is true independently of the universe, and hence you
get arithmetical realism.
No, you just keep assuming that true=real. The truths of
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Of course it isn't just France. And some countries go one step further and
actively brainwash their citizens from an early age into
On 1/18/2015 9:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 15 Jan 2015, at 19:18, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/15/2015 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It is the reason why I stopped, a long time ago, to qualify myself as an atheist. I
realized that atheists believe to much in the christian God, paradoxically
On 1/18/2015 10:03 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable
the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the forces of
resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide
On 1/18/2015 7:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
For a logician, true means satisfied by a reality, with *reality* modeled by the
notion of *model*. This helps to avoid unnecessary philosophical debates.
They are only unnecessary for those who have already decided which model to
believe.
Brent
On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2:52:34 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
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On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:27:06 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 PM, 'Roger' via
Seconded (I am allowed to say that, right?)
Of course it isn't just France. And some countries go one step further and
actively brainwash their citizens from an early age into thinking they are
wonderful, and thus try to prevent even the possibility of thoughtcrime.
On 18 January 2015 at 17:06,
Looks interesting, thanks. (I'm sure it will soon be on the cover of New
Scientist as the riddle of creationsolved!)
On 24 Dec 2014, at 00:51, meekerdb wrote:
Bruno should like this formulation of QM.
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