[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Nelson wrote: --- Gillam wrote: The impulse to speak was vague, amporphous, but the sentences worked. I find that phenomenon interesting. Maybe it's related to all this. +++ Maybe similar to hearing your voice speaking to someone without your direct attention on it and finding

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Nelson wrote: If I am sitting with a group of vegetarians enjoying my cheeseburgher and thinking how good it is, I would doubt that thought would be anyone elses. Oh, come on -- you know they want it! ; - ) Good point to make, though, in this context: Even though consciousness may be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: --- Rick Archer wrote: I've heard both Maharishi and local enlightened friends say that they're often surprised by the things they find themselves doing. ... Another friend said, I was going to the post office but found myself at the coffee shop, implying

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
Comments interleaved below. -- Premanand Paul Mason wrote: The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months he was confined in his own filth. Neither translator thinks to include mention of this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Nelson wrote: --- authfriend wrote: I sometimes find that I seem to know things I have no normal basis for knowing. ... It's only when I stop and ask myself, How do I know this? that I realize there's a discrepancy, that it seems to have bypassed the usual routes by which I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.

2006-02-04 Thread Patrick Gillam
I recall a story Lucy Lediaev to our science of creative intelligence class of Maharishi rushing to catch a plane. Because he was late he told his driver to run the red lights on the way to the airport. His entourage trailed further and further behind him because they couldn't just plow

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mike Love on his new album

2006-02-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
I see this interview was conducted by one Chris Attwood. I worked with a man of that name at Newcomb Government Securities in Fort Collins in the early '80s. (That was Larry Price's company, which he stocked with TMers for a spell.) I wonder if the Chris Attwood I knew then is the same guy

[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime

2006-01-31 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Michael Dean Goodman wrote: you folks who joust and attack and bully and rant, hiding behind anonymity here - in my opinion you are simply cowards. Prove me wrong. Reveal yourselves. Take responsibility for your words. Step out of the shadows into the light. All right. So be it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Patrick!

2006-01-26 Thread Patrick Gillam
Thank you very kindly! As my party favor to everyone, I will refrain from any other posts today. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Begging money and charity

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jim_flanegin wrote: It is a dreamy and sugary thought to associate some sort of gentle pious life with liberation, but in fact there is no connection at all. None. Gentle, pious living has helped me enormously in the past, so I don't discount its value. But I can't say as it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Begging money and charity

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jim_flanegin wrote: As to whether the benefit of the P group is for all, I am skeptical. It begs the question, 'what *isn't* for the benefit of all?'. Can't think of anything... Second-hand cigarette smoke? Regardless, you have a fortunate point of view! I don't discount the Purusha

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: Someone died because they didn't have policies in place to handle that kind of person I understood the policies were indeed in place. The people implementing the policies didn't see the danger. They thought their actions in accord with the policy were adequate.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: Bush and many members of his administration couldn't get a job as a seargant at a missile silo. This goes on the list of keeper quotes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with

[FairfieldLife] Intention revisited

2006-01-25 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: It proved to me that if the underlying and deepest motivation was not pure, the result would ultimately reflect this. Therefore it was always important to check your own motivation. It forms the basis of all action in the relative. Is there a way to retire an originating

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: Indeed. Be interesting to hear from him directly as to why he did it [touring with the Bleep crowd]. It's surprising to me that MMY didn't try to stop him from doing it. A story about John Hagelin touring: I'm trying to summon a memory of a conversation with a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness is *not* the unified field? Yahoo! Groups

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me that lecture came out some years later

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deeksha, Shaktipat and PowerTouch

2006-01-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
Do I have to touch others to get the benefits for myself? Can I just tap my own forehead to get a kundalini rush? Will I be trained to tell how much kundalini a person can handle? When people come to me with their health in jeopardy because their kundalini is out of control, wil I be

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'

2006-01-22 Thread Patrick Gillam
Comments interleaved below. --- Irmeli Mattsson wrote: There is a little booklet written by a Finnish clergyman Raimo Mäkelä. He has been working for the Finnish Established Church. The title of the book would be in English something like : The healthy mind as a mask. It was

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: [nhnenews] Paula Zahn Now: 'Sex For Salvation?'

2006-01-22 Thread Patrick Gillam
In _Path of Light_, Robert Perry says that everyone wears a mask. He takes this teaching from the Course in Miracles. Just got that book, Patrick. :-) JohnY Are you studying the Course, or thinking about it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Course in Miracles (was Sex For Salvation)

2006-01-22 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jyouells2000 wrote: CIM always stikes me as trancending through the intellect, sort of adviata in Christian terminology. Perry describes the Course as like a verbal symphony. A theme comes in and changes shape, them another theme picks up and starts developing, then a third them comes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?

2006-01-21 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you balance the square meters of the surrounding countryside? Measure

[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?

2006-01-21 Thread Patrick Gillam
) and therefore relies more on spherical geometry. If you could then rubbersheet it to it's spheroidal dimensions specific for India, you might have something. Or might not. On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:52 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Same Old Song

2006-01-20 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- feste37 wrote: I read the whole text of his [OBL's] message. Where did you read it? I only saw excerpts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Something really good-using algae to reduce pollution and make oil

2006-01-20 Thread Patrick Gillam
If I weren't so lazy I'd maintain a website for all these wonderful inventions one hears about periodically. Some time back in this forum we read about an electric motor powered by the earth's magnetic field. I've seen reports on -- and owned -- devices that splice to the fuel line to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Where is Brahmasthan?

2006-01-20 Thread Patrick Gillam
I wonder how one determines the location of a brahmastan. Do you balance the square meters of the surrounding countryside? Measure the linear feet? It mean nothing, really. I'm just feeling mathematical these days, I guess. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: royal decree #21

2006-01-19 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: --- authfriend wrote: Sometimes it takes more spine to go along with something and just absorb the scorn for the sake of a future goal. There you have it. You are suggesting that it would be ethical for a person to lie and pretend to be something that he's not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Loan for TM

2006-01-19 Thread Patrick Gillam
It's been a while since I've done this, but my calculator is darn smart, so let's see what we get: Loan: US $2,500 Payment: $50/mo. Interest rates: Prime rate on 19 Jan 06: 7.25% Excellent credit: 7.25 + 0.375 = 7.63% Good credit: 7.25 + 2 = 9.25% Fair credit: 7.25 + 4 = 11.25%

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
At a time when the nation is highly influenced by religiously conservative politicians, I'm surprised more people don't take the tack Steven Druker does below: ask these people to reconcile their policies with their religious beliefs. For example, I've wondered why the Christians among the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Op-Ed on Spiritual Pollution of High-Density Hog Farms

2006-01-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Robert Gimbel wrote: A leader like MLK, for example, or Gandhi, in India, has much more staying power, because their message is based on love, which is the only thing that +Does+ have staying power... I agree that love lasts, but I don't see other non-violent political movements

[FairfieldLife] Sidhas Welcome barbecue sign

2006-01-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
A friend forwarded a picture of a friendly barbecue joint offering lard based tofu. The sign says, Sidhas Welcome. Can anyone identify the location? To see it, visit http://tinyurl.com/77jxa Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University

2006-01-13 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: Vaj wrote: I mean ultimately if you cannot perceive your consort as pure vision, i.e. as the Deity, the result is NOT going to be enlightenment. Without breaking any vows I think it's safe to say that since you need to perfect the generation stage before perfecting

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University

2006-01-13 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: Vaj wrote: I mean ultimately if you cannot perceive your consort as pure vision, i.e. as the Deity, the result is NOT going to be enlightenment. Without breaking any vows I think it's safe to say that since you need to perfect the generation stage before perfecting

[FairfieldLife] Re: Night hawks @ MIU

2006-01-12 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- shempmcgurk wrote: I remember some sort of irritating species of birds that would swoop down around my head as I went to and from the frats. Red-winged blackbirds. Very territorial. They flourished in the now-drained wetland some called Jyotir Marsh. http://tinyurl.com/8ogr8

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment University

2006-01-12 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: I mean ultimately if you cannot perceive your consort as pure vision, i.e. as the Deity, the result is NOT going to be enlightenment. Vaj, I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate on this a bit. I can see how seeing one's lover as the Deity would indicate a lofty level

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Nose Glasses of Enlightenment

2006-01-11 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: I understand. I often feel the same way. You *do* feel compassion for the people telling you their sad stories. But at the same time, you realize that they're just stories. One measure of a friend is whether he can make me laugh at my problems. If he's not taking

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Nose Glasses of Enlightenment

2006-01-11 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- anonymousff2 wrote: M suggests that comedy is only funny because it presents something odd in the context of some evenness, where the evenness has to do with the good feeling that exists between the comedian and the audience, and the oddness has to do with an unexpected way of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Night hawks @ MIU

2006-01-11 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ysoy10li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Anybody remember the night hawks at MIU ??? They were so exhilarating to watch !! -- they would circle upwards to suddenly plumb-plunge free-fall. A sharp, sudden arc at the end at terminal velocity would produce

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas

2006-01-10 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: --- Gillam wrote: Notice the CC tenet in that phrase -- the enlightened person does everything in a life-supporting way. Does Nature ever want someone to make a mistake (in the relative sense) because the mistake will actually turn out to have life-supporting

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas

2006-01-10 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: --- Patrick wrote: More recently acquired positivist thinking refuses to even entertain the premise. Say more... About the positivist thinking? It's just a scholarly-sounding excuse for not speculating about things beyond my ken, which most everything seems

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ego in Enlightenment and Enlightened Ironies

2006-01-10 Thread Patrick Gillam
I hadn't ever really understood -- or thought about -- why the intellect needs to be sharp to realize enlightenment. Or if I did, I forgot what I knew. So the explanation below was interesting. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas

2006-01-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
a_non_moose_ff wrote: Locking ones happiness to where the rock goes will only bring pain. Happiness is a warm rock -- rolling the rock. I recall a section in Jack London's _Call of the Wild_ that discusses the dogs' unending yearning to pull the sleds. They don't care about the end point.

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas

2006-01-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: What the project is doesn't matter. Its not the fruit of the action that paramount. Its the masters reaction. And the process of intense focus on one BIG thing. Its all a process to root out vasannas. Life itself seems to provide plenty of opportunities for action

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas

2006-01-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: And its not a path for everyone, or most. Its for a few that want or need it. The key is intense focus on one Big thing, a project beyond oneself. All energy focussed on that one big social, not personal, project. Attention on all other desires fades and the

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas

2006-01-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: what specific achievements do you feel will bring you fulfillment? We may be talking about two different fulfillments. I'm talking about all the admitttedly fleeting stuff, from the satisfaction that comes from articulating a thought on Fairfield Life to fixing

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas

2006-01-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
What I'm picking up from a_non_moose's observation is that MMY-prescribed Big Projects are just that -- prescriptions for specific individuals. Like medical prescriptions, they could harm those for whom such a course is not indicated. Medicine is a poison when taken by the wrong people at

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas

2006-01-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Gillam wrote: --- a_non_moose_ff wrote: what specific achievements do you feel will bring you fulfillment? We may be talking about two different fulfillments. I'm talking about all the

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas

2006-01-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: MMY said something like, Before god, we should be just like a dog, just estatically eager and happy to do whatever is 'asked' -- presented before us. Byron Katie would love it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern

[FairfieldLife] Re: Photos MMY pundits in India

2006-01-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
on 1/9/06 3:55 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi/message/2274 These pictures are how old? Seems I saw most of them a few years ago. I wonder how those scenes look now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vasanas

2006-01-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
on 1/9/06 5:06 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So MMY is God, in the eyes of many/most of his followers? Did you ever feel that way? Did youknow anyone who did? I believe a more common phrasing is that Maharishi speaks for nature, or if you're really hard core, for Nature. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: 10 $$$TRILLION????????????????????????

2006-01-09 Thread Patrick Gillam
Rudy, wassup? You still in Hawaii? Doing any writing? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rap i heard from Haglan and the TM radio station was incredulous bordering on the insane..on Sunday 1/8. He said 2005 was a good year, the best in many for tragedies

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: --- Patrick wrote: It makes me think I'm in CC. Is that important to you? I'd like to be enlightened, yeah, even if it's baby enlightenment. But it's a casual desire, like my desires for wealth and women. I'd like to have them, but I'm not going to bother

[FairfieldLife] Name that tune (was: Re: Maitreya)

2006-01-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
What's the title of this song? I've not heard it. The lyrics are great. I'd like to sample it at the iTunes store. Thanks. --- Don Henley: From the Arizona desert To the Salisbury Plain Lights on the horizon Patterns on the grain Anxious eyes turned upward Clutching souvenirs Carrying

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: This is a city full of wealthy older men on whose arms are women who would never be seen with them except for the fact that they're wealthy. So I've noticed. But it was not until this post that I was inspired to buy Diamonds are a girl's best friend from iTunes.

[FairfieldLife] Name that tune (was: Re: Maitreya)

2006-01-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: It's called They're not here, they're not coming, from Don's Inside Job album. He's a master of the wry, satirical social comment. While you're sampling, try this one from the Eagles' Hell Freezes Over album: Get Over It BTW, if you're sampling Inside Job,

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY Big Projects Root Out Vassanas

2006-01-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: This is the real meaning of The Myth of Sisyphus, IMV. Pushing the rock up the hill, only to have it fall down, time and time again, is really a process of ripping out vasanas. Interesting, in the light of your experience. Although I would have thought the opposite

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: my intellectual concerns/interests regarding CC (baby realization) are largely different than the author of this post and the author seems to make some, not all, conceptual distinctions that don't seem very relevent to CC. Most of these 20 questions strike me as a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
Judy writes: I've always figured that what is called self- actualization *is* what MMY calls CC. Self-actualization certainly *sounds* like the self being aware of itself, which is one characteristic of CC. But from what I've read of self-actualized behavior, it simply describes people who

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to investigations into ways to uproot those vasanas. Others have been blacklisted from the TMO for making those investigations.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Patrick wrote: Another recurrent theme of this list. For some of us, TM led to investigations into ways to uproot those vasanas. Others have been blacklisted from the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.

2006-01-07 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj wrote: IMO, TM as a method does not work on the level of transformation to uproot vasanas. Patrick

[FairfieldLife] Re: From a fellow in Germany

2006-01-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- bbrigante wrote: CNN never said that Hagelin's votes in Florida made Bush win. Actually, Hagelin himself remarked that it's conceivable that the votes for him could have made the difference for Gore. I heard him say it, although I forget the venue and context. Hagelin's strategy was to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robertson suggests God smote Sharon

2006-01-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB posted: Robertson suggests God smote Sharon Evangelist links Israeli leader's stroke to 'dividing God's land' (CNN) -- Television evangelist Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for the Israeli

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robertson suggests God smote Sharon

2006-01-06 Thread Patrick Gillam
Patrick wrote: You mean to tell me God cares more about this section of dirt than that section of dirt? --- Bhairitu wrote: It's sorta like some people who believe a polluted river in India has special properties. That said, it occurs to me that selected parts of the world are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Question to TM Teachers

2006-01-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
I learned the hard way not to reveal names of people I instructed in TM. Someone I had instructed told me she did not appreciate having someone yell across the workplace cafeteria, Hey! I heard you learned TM! With that I generalized that discretion is always a sound policy, whether

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spot The Fake Smile

2006-01-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
Eighteen out of 20 for me, too, which surprised me. I didn't think I'd do that well. Did you read about Ekman's work in the New Yorker last year? I'd love the ability to read faces the way he can. The article told about a flash of a smirk that gave away Bill Clinton when he was lying about

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
Thanks for the cost comparisons. I suspect that, had the TMO continued to amass good research to support its case, a $1,000 course fee would be reasonable today. But the ideological zeal, the death of Skip Alexander and Maharishi's abandonment of science all demolished that possibility. TM

[FairfieldLife] $925 now = $75 then (was Re: TM costs $3.30 a day for 2 years.)

2006-01-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- off_world_beings posted: REHABILITATION 2004: The Journal of Offender Rehabilitation, http://tinyurl.com/cqrn5 Irrelevant to a pre-indictment individual who's considering learning a meditation technique. May be of interest to government officials, though. The real need here is to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Desire for samaadhi?

2006-01-02 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- cardemaister wrote: Taimni's translation: It (samaadhi) is nearest to those whose desire (for samaadhi) is intensely strong. sparaig wrote: When samadhi is close, unstressing is strong. Sparaig's translation makes more sense to me. Going back to my empirical view of things,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Myths, lies, and straight talk

2005-12-31 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: researchers didn't simulate the REAL conditions of winter: changing temperatures constantly. Yes, good point. And have you noticed how people can be in a warm, dry room and feel the influence of cold and wetness outside? It's as if the cold or moisture or wind have a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sam Harris on Mysticism vs Faith based religion.

2005-12-31 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: Why the gnostic tradition died out is open to hypothesis, but the direct experiential realization of Christ was replaced by conceptual dogma. Robert Perry puts it this way, in his writings about the Course in Miracles: About 2,000 years ago Jesus offered a revolutionary

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sweet Dreams Are Made of Cheese

2005-12-30 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- a_non_moose_ff wrote: Anyone else notice any food/dream connections? Maharishi Amrit Kalash nectar in the evening would generate more lively dreaming. I rather enjoyed it. A friend, on the other hand, stopped taking his bedtime dose in order to sleep more quietly.

[FairfieldLife] Empiricism vs. Theory

2005-12-28 Thread Patrick Gillam
I wrote: We have lots of people here who've used TM mantras at some length. I'd love to read people's experiences in terms of what each of us has observed firsthand in all these decades of using our mantras. Get this discussion out of the realm of theory and into our direct

[FairfieldLife] Re: Empiricism vs. Theory

2005-12-28 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: *words* can't be trusted to express experience in a way that actually communicates it. And the deeper and more subtle the experience, the greater the potential disjunction between the experience and the translation into words. And yet, and yet... when someone

[FairfieldLife] Aspects of mantra (was something else)

2005-12-28 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: I've experienced the form and the formless aspect of my TM ishta mantra. In order for that to manifest however I went to a teacher who instructed me in how to create the yantra, the visual form of the devata. The yantra of your devata relates to the aspect of seeing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Empiricism vs. Theory

2005-12-28 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: Being without expectations becomes less and less easy the more you hear your own and other's experiences, especially in a casual context. If I'd reading you right, Lawson, you're saying it's better to be innocent, without expectations fostered by hearing other people's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: You might characterize the TMO as a religion, but the techniques themselves I have a hard time seeing as religious in nature. I, too, have a hard time seeing the techniques as religious. But there's been talk in this forum of the mantras being devas that the teacher

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: The TMO has always related higher levels of consciousness with increased moral behavior, but the research is pretty weak in this area. Have you actually leafed through the journals to review research on TM and moral behavior, Peter? I somehow got the impression the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: But what is a religion? I certainly see how someone would call the practice of TM religious because the bija mantras are associated with certain Hindu dieties, but does that make it a religion? Ask a hindu if TM is a religion and he'll think the very question is absurd. Is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: Gillam wrote: Yet people in the know tell me [the mantra] is an ishta-deva -- the god one prays most (Wikipedia). People in *what* know? People with knowledge of what? I can't cite posts, but I seem to recall that people who've seen lists of ishta devas have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: I'd have to look at it again. But I remember whenever I looked at it I was always bothered by some aspects of it. Do you have a reference? Unfortunately, no. I spent some time Googling but couldn't find a study you could read on the web. (I seldom find studies I can

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: According to the Sri Tantra (i think its that one) the bija mantras used in TM are the seed form of specific devatas(Saraswati and Lakshmi). The effect of the mantra, according to MMY, would be two-fold. The enlivening of that specific value of nature in one's life through

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The general public (whomever they are!) seem to like simple answers with black and white distinctions. Unfortunately life is not like that. Last year I read in one of David Brooks' columns in the New York Times that the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: The more abstract the understanding of the nature of devas, the less religious they seem. Sort of like Christ the divine/human center of the Christian religion, versus the universal Christ as a mode of consciousness. I've been trying to remember if I've ever heard

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test - CIA and TMO

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: I'm just saying that people would *like* to believe it was true because that might suggest that what they were involved with back then (TM) was more important than it really was. I believe it because the U.S. government has demonstrated itself to be more intrusive

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: And although on some superficial level it may be true that the vibratory influence of the mantra causes TM to work, ultimately, the benefits result from aligning oneself with the impulse of intelligence or Devata that the mantra represents. Is there any way to tell

[FairfieldLife] Re: Season's Greetings from Interfaith Charities International

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Rick Archer wrote: Maharishi always said, and we said in lectures, that you could transcend on any sound but that the mantras, due to their life-supporting vibratory quality, provided benefits that other sounds didn't. This dovetails nicely with Peter's post about his TM mantra

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tsunami was God's revenge for your wicked ways, women told

2005-12-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
emboldened Islamic hardliners are doing their best to eradicate sin — and women are their prime targets. When adharma prevails, O Krishna, the women of the family become corrupt, and with the corruption of women, O Varshneya, intermixture of castes arises. Bhavagad-Gita Chapter 1, verse 41

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tsunami was God's revenge for your wicked ways, women told

2005-12-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: emboldened Islamic hardliners are doing their best to eradicate sin — and women are their prime targets. When adharma prevails, O Krishna, the women of the family become corrupt, and with the

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
Responses interleaved. --- Sal Sunshine wrote: Yes, I am aware of the TMO dogma regarding stress in the atmosphere, as I said. That is why I am asking--do you really believe that stress, as defined in human terms, Maharishi's definition of stress is effectively a definition of

[FairfieldLife] Re: DJ Dave Squid Squires, worked at MIU 1975

2005-12-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/108251 Thanks for this. Squidd -- two d's -- was in my small group on TTC Phase 3 in 1977, along with MUM administrator Brad Mylett. I'd lost track of Squidd.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

2005-12-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: conditioned wrong Views are spouted as if they are correct. Because they believe--without critical decision making and self-experimentation. One thing that keeps me enthusiastic about TM is the close correlation between Maharishi's descriptions and my experiences. A

[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

2005-12-16 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 8:41 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: The other thing is -- and this is the more cogent point -- I believe we manifest *whatever* we believe. I believe you answered your own question. Come to think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers

2005-12-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Vaj wrote: Each darshana has it's own internal logic. If knowledge is structured in consciousness then each darshana/View relating to a specific state of consciousness will be unique but appropriately descriptive of that state. It's fashionable, esp. among paths that are incomplete

[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

2005-12-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jim_flanegin wrote: enlightenment does not adhere to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. I've been given to understand that enlightenment changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists disagree with Hindus on key points, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

2005-12-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- TurquoiseB wrote: Gillam wrote: View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept determines percept. I have to agree. That which one expects seems to color awakening into the unexpected. The experience it what it is, but when it comes to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

2005-12-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- jim_flanegin wrote: Gillam wrote: That said, I don't much hear Jim and Tom and Peter and such lot talking in Maharishi's idioms. For example, this whole notion of losing a personal self was totally absent from any understanding I ever had of the Science of

[FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)

2005-12-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: projective identification. The person in question unconsciously projects a unintegrated/disowned aspect of their personality onto others and provokes them into responding/behaving in accord with that unintegrated part. People have a tendency to go off on the person in

[FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)

2005-12-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I marvel at my assholeness to this day. We're all marvelous assholes at times, aren't we? Like

[FairfieldLife] Re: Read along with Tom

2005-12-14 Thread Patrick Gillam
I love this kind of thinking. It makes total sense. It's sorta my experience. It's what has drawn me into this pursuit of enlightenment. But there seem to be many cases where seemingly awakened people -- famous masters and participants in this forum -- don't behave as Dr. Deepak describes

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