[FairfieldLife] Re: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One lurker's view of the feud: I'll bet it felt good to get that off your chest. :-) You are welcome to your opinion, even though it seems that you are expressing it using a script that has been thoughtfully

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 4:15:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems obvious to me that the reason Iran feels the need for insurance is to deter Israel and the U.S. from attacking *them*.

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 4:24:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, suitcase bombs are a tad more difficult to build than Little Boys... Er , but is there a reason why they

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 4:26:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, to a certain extent, the mere existence of Israel makes Moslem countries feel insecure for many, many reasons. Tell

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 9:52:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the phrase axis of evil ring a bell? Was that a regime change policy? North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, maybe some others?

[FairfieldLife] Re: A point many have missed about David Lynch's success 'selling' TM

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/13/06 3:42 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to think that David Lynch's real objec- tive is to SHAME the TM movement into doing what it should have been doing all along -- putting

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] If you believe similarly, that there is *ANY* situation in which you would support mandating TM, then I suggest that you have crossed that boundary, too. How do you mandate not-trying? To subscribe, send a

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread Richard Hughes
From: peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:40:45 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread Richard Hughes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:55:52 EDT In a message dated 4/16/06 11:54:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread amarnath
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to follow his or her spiritual beliefs, for *ANY* reason, has crossed a boundary from inspired believer into the realm of dangerous fanatic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 15, 2006, at 9:45 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] I suggest you read The Buddhist Tradition of Samatha:

[FairfieldLife] Iran

2006-04-17 Thread peterklutz
What counts are the facts on the ground: i.a. the momentum Iran and the world is caught up in, as represented by Iran's current leadership. Find below an attempt to aid the serious seeker for information. IRAN'S NUCLEAR AND MISSILE PROGRAMS:

[FairfieldLife] Last Video from the MD course

2006-04-17 Thread t3rinity
Here you can see the latest excesses at Mother Divine on Video. Watch how MD gets up in the morning after a blissful sleep,how they float to do common Asanas before jumping high. Also some male staff members are seen. MD Video set to Shakira music To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:58 AM, sparaig wrote: I am actually quite serious: I really do believe that the technique desribed in the pdf is quite distorted and won't go as deep as TM. Ironically for the very reason why it asserts that it goes deep: it advocates control and makes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:58 AM, sparaig wrote: I am actually quite serious: I really do believe that the technique desribed in the pdf is quite distorted and won't go as deep as TM. Ironically for the very reason why

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the techniques mentioned in the article have a long and continuous history of producing fully enlightened Buddhas. Yeah, but they're not TM, so how good can they possibly be? Get a grip, man. To subscribe,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:22 AM, sparaig wrote: It does not advocate control but leaves it to the individual to find a medium between attention and total relaxation. When this is not done properly you get problems like those often seen in TM: falling asleep and slouching, bad asana or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:18 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the techniques mentioned in the article have a long and continuous history of producing fully enlightened Buddhas. Yeah, but they're not TM, so how good can they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:22 AM, sparaig wrote: It does not advocate control but leaves it to the individual to find a medium between attention and total relaxation. When this is not done properly you get problems like

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:18 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Actually the techniques mentioned in the article have a long and continuous history of producing fully

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:51 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:22 AM, sparaig wrote: It does not advocate control but leaves it to the individual to find a medium between attention and total relaxation. When

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:51 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:22 AM, sparaig wrote: It does not advocate control but leaves it to the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:52 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:18 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Actually the techniques mentioned in the article have a long and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:52 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:18 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:19 AM, sparaig wrote: Lucid dreaming is different than witnessing dreaming. Even the lucid dreaming folk (other than these guys apparently) make that distinction these days. The techniques work for witnessing ALL states, including waking. In terms of spiritual

[FairfieldLife] Today's Neo-Satsang: Devotion in Unity

2006-04-17 Thread t3rinity
Neo Advaita Satsang with Ashtavakra My child, you may often speak upon various scriptures or hear them. But cannot be established in the Self unless you forget all. AG XVI.1 He who considers himself free is free indeed, and he who considers himself bound remains bound. 'as one thinks, so one

[FairfieldLife] New England Education weekend

2006-04-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
This arrived via email recently. Check out the low cost of a WPA or residence course: The tour group of educators and scientists from the New England Conference on Children's Health and Education is coming to Antrim (New Hampshire, U.S.A.) during the weekend of May 5-7. Come and join us in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:58 AM, sparaig wrote: I am actually quite serious: I really do believe that the technique desribed in the pdf is quite distorted and won't go as deep as TM. Ironically for the very reason

Re: [FairfieldLife] Today's Neo-Satsang: Devotion in Unity

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:34 AM, t3rinity wrote: As a side note to Vaj - obviously Jivan Mukti does NOT refere to CC, as you have always wrongly concluded. Actually that is not my conclusion but that of the official TM yoga- sutra translation by Shearer. It actually depends of the context. In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:19 AM, sparaig wrote: Lucid dreaming is different than witnessing dreaming. Even the lucid dreaming folk (other than these guys apparently) make

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff no_reply@ wrote: One lurker's view of the feud: I'll bet it felt good to get that off your chest. :-) You are welcome to your opinion, even though it seems

[FairfieldLife] Re: New England Education weekend

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This arrived via email recently. Check out the low cost of a WPA or residence course: These don't seem so bad actually: = Course prices vary depending

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:51 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip just taught the proper way in the first place. But that's what happens when the purity of the tradition is

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Plus which, no spiritual beliefs, of course, are required to practice TM, only the belief that the practice will be beneficial. And that, of course, can't be forced either. You need not believe it to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:19 AM, sparaig wrote: Lucid dreaming is different than witnessing dreaming. Even

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:51 AM, authfriend wrote: When this is not done properly you get problems like those often seen in TM: falling asleep and slouching, bad asana or posture But these are not considered problems in TM. Obviously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:51 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip just taught the proper way in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:58 AM, sparaig wrote: I am actually quite serious: I really do believe that the technique desribed in the pdf is quite distorted and won't go as deep as TM. Ironically for the very reason why it

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] Plus which, no spiritual beliefs, of course, are required to practice TM, only the belief that the practice will be beneficial. And that, of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/16/06 10:53 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What if they gave a war and nobody came? A general comment -- perhaps somewhat resonant with your thought. People have asked both Judy and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:55 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The techniques work for witnessing ALL states, including waking. In terms of spiritual practice all are helpful.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 10:15 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:58 AM, sparaig wrote:  I am actually quite serious: I really do believe that the technique desribed in the pdf is quite distorted and won't go  as "deep" as

[FairfieldLife] Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to follow his or her spiritual beliefs, for *ANY* reason, has crossed a boundary from inspired believer into the realm of dangerous fanatic. Maharishi crossed

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread anonyff
Hi Richard, Comment Below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

[FairfieldLife] Sacred Destinations - Sacred sites, pilgrimages, religious buildings, sacred places

2006-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to follow his or her spiritual beliefs, for *ANY* reason, has crossed a boundary

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:02 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: But imagine that the person being forced to learn and practice it is yourself, and that the technique that has gained politically-correct favor enough to be made mandatory is Scientology. Or Subud. Or for those who are, in true TM fashion,

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:52 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:18 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 10:15 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:58 AM, sparaig wrote: I am actually quite serious: I really do believe that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to follow his or her spiritual beliefs, for *ANY* reason, has crossed a boundary

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] Has my experience deepened over time? Yes. Has silence infused my daily activity? Yes. Have I gained the ability to sit without thoughts for as long as I choose to? Yes. Do I experience lucid dreaming? Yes. Do I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:49 AM, sparaig wrote: Wallace, in the aforementioned article, states that a purification does happen once one sustains the state for extended periods: With the attainment of the ninth state called balanced placement, accomplished with the force of

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:29 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: Hi Vaj- There seems to be a disconnect between what you are more or less continuously proposing through your postings here, that TM and other McMeditation techniques are basically not adhering to a pure [Buddhist] tradition, and therefore

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ [...] Has my experience deepened over time? Yes. Has silence infused my daily activity? Yes. Have I gained the ability to sit without thoughts for as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sacred Destinations - Sacred sites, pilgrimages, religious buildings, sacred places

2006-04-17 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sacred-destinations.com/ Thank you for this mail about sacred destinations. I am invited by EU to speak in a Symposium in Cologne in May. And the pictures inspired me to see the Cathedral in Cologne - it

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's 1969 interviews

2006-04-17 Thread Dick Mays
Title: Maharishi's 1969 interviews Maharishi's 1969 interviews There are six good, short interviews with Maharishi available to hear, all done in 1969 and available on the BBC web site. It's nice to hear again how he spoke when he was younger. The precise link is:

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi's 1969 interviews

2006-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Maharishi's 1969 interviews Maharishi's 1969 interviews There are six short interviews with Maharishi available to hear, all done in 1969 and available on the BBC web site. The precise link is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1.shtml Mahesh Yogi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:49 AM, sparaig wrote: Wallace, in the aforementioned article, states that a purification does happen once one sustains the state for extended periods: With the attainment of the ninth

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ [...] Has my experience deepened over time? Yes. Has silence infused my daily

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:01 PM, sparaig wrote: But IS it the same state? The brainwave coherence study that Vaj likes to tout is only concerning the very high (for EEG) frequency gamma band, whereas TM- induced

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer TM, and have reached my own conclusions about it. If someone sees benefit in another technique, fine, whether it produces the same results, or not. Scientific facts are great to substantiate our views,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:33 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:49 AM, sparaig wrote: Wallace, in the aforementioned article, states that a purification does happen once one sustains the state for

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:35 PM, sparaig wrote: The way I would show the same EEG pattern if I wanted to duplicate witnessing on the EEG is to do ishta meditation with a mantra (what Tibetans call yidam practice). It duplicates the same EEG signature as TMers doing ishta mantra. Very easy

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I prefer TM, and have reached my own conclusions about it. If someone sees benefit in another technique, fine, whether it produces the same

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:33 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:49 AM, sparaig wrote: Wallace, in the aforementioned article, states

[FairfieldLife] Reincarnation

2006-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Reincarnation From a friend: Hi Rick, yeah, this re-incarnation stuff could go into FFL. I can make marks each time, when it should not... Thanx for answering. It really is amazing, since I was truthful, and ONLY did TM + all the rest like sidhis, I got, what was promised. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to follow his or her spiritual beliefs, for *ANY* reason, has crossed a boundary

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:35 PM, sparaig wrote: The way I would show the same EEG pattern if I wanted to duplicate witnessing on the EEG is to do ishta meditation with a mantra (what Tibetans call yidam practice). It

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:54 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:33 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:49 AM, sparaig wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/17/06 11:55 AM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the giant Vedic Science course in the Indian Express Building in New Delhi, India, very early 80s, during a lecture one afternoon, someone asked Maharishi somewhere in the course of a discussion about governments around the globe:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:54 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:33 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@

Re: [FairfieldLife] Reincarnation

2006-04-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
You can forward them, Rick, but you have to wait until the next lifetime. :) Sal On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:54 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Interesting stuff. When you send me these things, do you want me to forward them to FFL, or are they just for me?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 1:08 PM, sparaig wrote: There's plenty of people who claim plenty of things. However, I'm still waiting for documentation of your claim as in research published in peer reviewed journals. And why are you waiting for that? You need to get out more dude. In

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ [...] Has my

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: 40,000 suicide bombers, Gimbel, and you couldn't find anything to rhyme with it? It was a subject far too somber. Yes, not a good

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread Richard J. Williams
authfriend wrote: On its face, the likelihood that Iran could actually recruit and train 40,000 people who would actually then go out and *be* suicide bombers seems unlikely, to say the least. (Of course, even a few who were successful could cause a great deal of chaos.) Very impressive.

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread Richard J. Williams
TurquoiseB wrote: Scientific facts are also sometimes used as stand-ins for experiences that people have not had personally. For example, if the practice in question is theoretically supposed to produce enlightenment experiences but the practitioner has never had enlightenment experiences

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: 40,000 suicide bombers, Gimbel, and you couldn't find

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Richard J. Williams
sparaig wrote: Of course, there's no evidence that transcendence style meditation has anything to do with TM. There is plenty of evidence that TM is transcendence style Buddhist meditation. The first historical yogin in India was Shakya the Muni. Meditation is first mentioned, not in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Richard J. Williams
Vaj wrote: Hang around some other meditators, you might learn a thing or two or three... So, how long has it been since you were in group program inside a Maharishi Golden Dome? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Vaj wrote: Hang around some other meditators, you might learn a thing or two or three... So, how long has it been since you were in group program inside a Maharishi Golden Dome? Non sequitur. Yahoo!

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I doubt if Mutually Assured Destruction would stop Iran from using nukes or any other weapons. Mutually assured destruction is the aim of suicide bombers, and I get the idea the same mentality pervades some middle

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:01 PM, sparaig wrote: snip There's no mention of correlation between EEG changes and enlightenment in any of the research that Vaj mentions, whereas that's one of the big areas of study for EEG and

[FairfieldLife] 'Geopolitical Storm= Lot's of Opium'

2006-04-17 Thread Robert Gimbel
Global storm warning By Arnaud de BorchgraveApril 17, 2006 Afghanistan is "on life support" with woefully inadequate funding to make a dent on the world's largest crop of opium poppies, insufficient troops to counter a resurgent Taliban, and a potential for disaster. So spoke the Council on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:33 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:49 AM, sparaig wrote: Wallace, in the aforementioned article, states

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 1:08 PM, sparaig wrote: There's plenty of people who claim plenty of things. However, I'm still waiting for documentation of your claim as in research published in peer reviewed journals.

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:35 PM, sparaig wrote: The way I would show the same EEG pattern if I wanted to duplicate witnessing on the EEG is to do ishta meditation with a mantra (what Tibetans call yidam practice). It

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff no_reply@ wrote: Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing? Gone to weapons

[FairfieldLife] Trailer for Al Gore's new film

2006-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Trailer for Al Gore's new film http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUiP6dqPynE To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS

[FairfieldLife] Former national Holland leader

2006-04-17 Thread Rick Archer
From a friend: Jacques Uijen was former Holland national leader and now heavy into diksha. (I mentioned this the other day but had forgotten his last name.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/17/06 1:27 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stand by my original point -- ANYONE who can justify *forcing* people to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
And they all lived happily ever after. Sal On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:45 PM, bob_brigante wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The Ramayana, which recounts how Lord Rama ruled at Ayodha for ~11,000 years some two million years ago. Lord Rama

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. Sal yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals during kali yuga because it is so hard to sustain them. we keep trying though. On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:45 PM, bob_brigante wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reincarnation

2006-04-17 Thread Patrick Gillam
If anyone does any sessions with this fellow Joerg, I'd be curious to hear how it goes. --- Rick Archer wrote: From a friend: Hi Rick, yeah, this re-incarnation stuff could go into FFL. I can make marks each time, when it should not... Thanx for answering. It really is

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 1:08 PM, sparaig wrote: There's plenty of people who claim plenty of things. However, I'm still waiting for documentation of your claim as in research published in peer reviewed journals.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: Of course, there's no evidence that transcendence style meditation has anything to do with TM. There is plenty of evidence that TM is transcendence style Buddhist meditation. The first

[FairfieldLife] British school to offer happiness lessons

2006-04-17 Thread anon_couscous_ff
British school to offer happiness lessons Apr 17 9:32 AM US/Eastern One of Britain's leading fee-paying schools is to offer classes on happiness to combat the malaise in society caused by materialism and celebrity obsession, its headteacher announced. We are introducing classes on happiness,

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:01 PM, sparaig wrote: snip There's no mention of correlation between EEG changes and enlightenment in any of the research that

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