I have been reading a newly published book on TM: Transcendence
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_13?url=search-alias%3Dstripboo\
ksfield-keywords=transcendencesprefix=transcendence , by Norman E.
Rosenthal, a twenty year researcher at the National Institute of Mental
Health in USA, and
in a feeling
level to his emotions by intellectually distancing himself.
More than anything else he would probably need to start seeing a
psychotherapist, who could help him feel into his emotions in a healing way.
Irmeli
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On Mar 12, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Irmeli wrote:
Adam's description makes me think that he maybe incapable of
naturally in a healing way contain the emotional releases TM-
practice has activated in him.
Through his
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On Mar 12, 2010, at 8:45 AM, Irmeli wrote:
The basic TM-technique is a rather gentle technique. If someone
gets problems from paracticing it 20 minutes twice a day for a
while, I find it likely that the person has
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Another
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Wilber's vertical-vs.-horizontal development scheme also
makes excellent sense
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Another conceptually more accurate way of
understanding or conceptualizing this is that
the more we can surrender our ego to the Self,
the more we
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Whose model of development are you using?
I have
or
classes only because an authority figure says so.
Irmeli
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Your ideas in this discussion are well intentioned. But there must be a
reason why MMY insisted on practicing these siddhi techniques.
I don't doubt this. Certainly there was a reason for it. An important one is
that it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
There was in Grand Duchy of Finland (then part of Russia)
a strange feller called Kuikka-Koponen (Abel Koponen, 1833 - 1890).
It is told that some people saw him get *inside* a horse
through its arsehole. He was claimed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote:
Whose model of development are you using?
I have for years now had keen interest in Ken Wilber's philosophy, and also
other spiritual teacher's and scientists' thinking in those circles. I'm a
member of Integral
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Wilber's vertical-vs.-horizontal development scheme also
makes excellent sense to me, especially the notion that
they aren't necessarily coordinated, i.e., that one can
be further along in vertical development than one is
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Personal insights, in one's own words, were always
welcomed by the TM teachers I had. MMY's words
were often cited, but never in the context of
putting down a personal insight.
Occasionally a personal insight would not
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John: Established in Yoga perform actions.
Irmeli: This is of course deep
perspectives you can contain and own in yourself.
Irmeli
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Are you asserting that -legitimate- states of higher consciousness including
God Consciousness and Unity Consciousness can be obtained with total
disregard for the principles of Dharma?
I don't fully get what you mean
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote:
Established in Yoga perform actions.
This is of course deep wisdom, and MMY's intepretation of it is great. The
problem is that these type of wisdom statements are not alone enough. Mostly
not even, when combined to regular
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
Established in bowing to authority, perform justifications.
_ _ _
The question of whether *the actions of the authority
figure in question* ever lived up to his *teachings* is
never to be addressed. Like all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
Cool, I guess. If what you are looking for in a
leader is someone who allows himself to be
dressed up like a Ken doll in a dress and crown,
be called the king of an imaginary country,
and feels it necessary to hide
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Irmeli, if I am not mistaken, you long ago divorced yourself from the TMO.
So, your admiration seems a little hollow. I think those who have
committed their lives to this knowledge, likely feel differently
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As to the Global Country of World Peace I do perceive a referent to it in
the very subtle domains.
If you feel free to say so, exactly what
Hmm. I didn't realize this was such a subtle thing. For me it's
just a shift in perception, like deciding to tune in on a different
conversation while at a noisy party. I've always called it the party
line, a reference to the time when telephony was very expensive. An
entire
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This is wonderful news, he's getting closer and closer to leading a normal
life. If he could extend his daily routine with a trip to a local cafe with
his family, or maybe descend into the subway and rub shoulders with
signs of own
independent thinking. They are shamed by being relegated down in the hierarchy,
by being put Off The Program.
Irmeli
or other said about bliss being bondage
merely shows that they have never experienced the bright white
purifying fire, and they think it is a game. If they ever encounter
it in reality, they will likely go mad because they are not ready
for it.
I agree with this.
Irmeli
are capable of receiving at each moment.
Irmeli
energetically
easy, but I claim that it would have been impossible had I not had
consciously available plenty of subtle energies sensed as bliss.
Irmeli
voted for him, and now you are responsible
for the consequences?
This is what I understand you to be explaining here.
Irmeli
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Who here still believes
authorship for this war, he will get to heaven for so
dutifully obeying God's will?
Irmeli
be spontaneously morally, emotionally, and
psychosexually much more responsible persons.
I personally don't consider a person enlightened if he/she is not
spontaneously capable of responsible behavior of high standards.
Irmeli
read at age 57 even tiny texts without glasses.
Irmeli
I agree fully with what you write below.
However that is not the perspective I want to bring forth here. It is
useful to look at complex issues from many perspectives.
If we can hold simultaneously many perspectives, we get closer to the
truth.
Irmeli
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Irmeli, your question is right on the money. Hitler
was schooled in Le Bon's 1895 The Crowd: A Study of
the Popular Mind. It is still a good source for how
social engineering is done. Young Dove recently
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Irmeli said:
Practically every time
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Hi Angela!
I also know personally some Muslims or former Muslims, who have come
as refugees to Finland, and they are truly fine people. E.g
, but it is
hugely better than in the east. It is worst in the Muslim culture, but
not much better in India, China, Tibet etc. The Tibetan word woman,
means 'born low'.
The Purusha men probably have been in their attitudes been strongly
influenced by the Indian culture.
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does to their girls, even if he does not accept
this doing.
This is truly convoluted reasoning. In every interview so far I have
perceived some similar sort fundamental errors in their conceptual
reasoning.
Did you ever discuss these kinds of matters with those young men?
Irmeli
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Irmeli said:
Practically every time they (the nuslims) publicly say
something, they make themselves just ridiculous, and show that their
capacity to formal operational thinking, or abstract conceptual
thinking
truths
of the doctrine.The same problem is in other religions. Although
questioning is in them usually easier. The sanctions of doing it are
not so horrifying.
Irmeli
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Yes, Irmeli, I have discussed female mutilation
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Its a fantastic tool to understanding how people come to religion.
Why
not read any books of
Marx.
Irmeli
of
her fatherâs resistance. Now I understand better why there has been in
Iran demands to lower the age, when girls can get married, to 9 years!
I think it is at present 13 years, although Iâm not quite sure. Even
that means to us westerners pedophilia!
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they are
in their cognitive development. And I consider their beliefsystems to
be the cause of their backwardness.
Irmeli
but described them very differently.
Irmeli
the important function of a helping us
to connect to our depth, or the collective depth and creating values
to follow. But this area has also severe defects and pitfalls. The
most severe of them is the intense fight against opening their own box
of worms of ultimate truths to inquiry.
Irmeli
,
although focusing mainly on his relationship with the Beatles.
Today in the local newspaper there was a beautiful picture from the
funeral at Vlodrop.
Irmeli
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I just sent the following email to NPR
!
This is interesting. A baby son, their first born, was born to my
older son and his wife yesterday Feb 5, 2008 in the afternoon Finnish
time.
Irmeli
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On Feb 5, 2008, at 4:32 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
A man
that would interest me.
Apparently I cannot use the new system of following the threads
effectively. For example for this thread I didn't easily find the
starting post I'm now responding to.
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I just cannot see the speech as offensive. The quotation becomes
offensive only, when it is taken out of the context of the whole
to be objective
and in charge, when really it's just a lackey for the heart.
Irmeli:
Intellect is not lying, we lie if we use it to cover up something.
Intellect just IS as you point out in the end of your writing.
However there are huge differences in our capacity to use the intellect.
It is very
to be fine. I have never
before read a speech by a pope, and got very positively surprised. I'm
not a Christian.
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The current conflict continues as long as the West thinks that by
killing enough
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In my opinion the pope addresses this issue in the speech relatively
tactfully by a quotation of the issue that he sees
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Imagine the wrath of Christians if a non-
Christian were
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From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness
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From the idea that enlightened states of consciousness are STATES
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deteriorate, when they get old. MMY's
behavior has for some time shown clear signs of his deteroriating
brainfunctioning (which is of course natural considering his
respectably high age).
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Well, I may not be enlightened, but due to Maharishi's
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When I read your responses, I get now, as I have got earlier too the
impression, that you work very hard internally, to not to understand
in spite of its weaknesses.
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Again, I'd suggest that what you're calling hair-
splitting
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One more time: You might want to ask yourself why you
feel
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Judy:I can think of quite a few people that I don't understand
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P.S.When I read your posts I have quite often got the impression
that you excersice hairsplitting to divert attention away from
they are frobidden in Indian caste system. When people
from different cultural backgrounds marry more challenges are to be
expected than usual.
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And as societies evolve we are getting away from suppressive dominator
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Also democracy works much better, when people in general are well
educated. Good educations provides better means of making one's own
judgements.
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MMY says here: Those who do not know, they can say anything. Like
a
mad man, they can say anything. I think he
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he clearly is getting old and senile. Usually the nearest
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. Usually the nearest people
protect the elderly person from this kind of humiliation. I guess MMY
has no one near him, who really cares about him.
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I still believe that it owes a lot to Buddhism...
That's a stretch. Many translations of the First
Noble Truth have it as Life
to the University Hospital and
there they immediately realized it was the medication that caused his
suffering. They stopped the medication and after one week he was much
better, and after two weeks again at home.
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The really problematic dimension of suffering is not personal (if one
can indeed become detached from internal desire or aversion
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One emotion there is however that I don't easily experience
and that is getting hurt of something someone says to me.
Often I may
of realization I had at age 16, that I have
described more in details many times here at FFL
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because he is trying in that way to make his dream of being perfect to
be true.
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Although I think that also God makes mistakes and learns
through and from them.
Question on this one point: By what standard can
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Bhakti is that thing that t3rinity thinks that Michael
Dean Goodman practices, and that he blasted Irmeli for
attacking when she criticized MDG's logic. The fact that,
AFAIK, neither MDG or Irmeli ever used the word
your dander up. :-) :-) :-)
I just thought it might be too lengthy for me to bother to read it.
Let's see now. At least earlier he has not had the same appalling
problems of in communication as t3rinty has.
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THE STRUGGLE OF INDIVIDUALITY TO PERPETUATE ITS ILLUSION
I feel compassionately sad whenever I meet those who still cling
to the idea that their individuality (individual intellect) can
guide them
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Generally I dislike in this post the tone of idealizing one person's
work, and the egoistic approach of trying to make his work
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Improving the position of women could do wonders.
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is there I possibly couldn't accept, so I'll check it out.
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I think the vehemence is actually envy.
Sparaig: Perhaps, or perhaps you're projecting your own
feelings
. But I appreciated a lot of the Vedic
philosophy he, and his co-workers, brought out. The philosophy I have
mainly felt to be fine. But not MMY's fundamentalist approach to it,
neither his way of managing the movement.
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combination of old traditions, by taking from different traditions,
what you feel to valuable in them.
Moose: Thats fine. Just be careful in not assuming the same terms mean
the same things across traditions. Lots
the
movement treated him.
I think the vehemence is actually envy.
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