Re: [Felvtalk] PETA
I don't like PETA either, but the point is made - Check out sanctuaries before sending ANY animal there. Something too few people do. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 4:51 PM I don't think they like flies more than cats, I think they consider all life equal - a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy so a rat's life, a pig's life, and a boy's life are all equal in their minds. Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that PETA made this video. PETA is (from how I follow, or attempt to follow, their thinking) against sanctuaries. I no longer trust video tape. I have worked some as an extra in the television industry and you can put ABSOLUTELY anything in front of a green screen and make it look real. I had a friend who had a friend who worked on animal cops and the friend swears it is all staged - or maybe mostly staged - that there may be some issues but nothing like what is shown. I don't trust anything I haven't seen with my OWN eyes and I certainly am NOT going to trust a PETA video about ANYTHING. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Kelley, Thanks for reminding us about PETA. I used to give them donations, but when I found out what they did to cats I never gave them another cent, and I've tried to spread the word about all the cats they kill. I suppose they do some good in other areas, but cats certainly get the worst treatment imaginable, and I also agree they are nutty as fruit cakes when it comes to flies.. I read about the humane fly trap they sent Pres. Obama... How can they consider the lives of flies more valuable than the lives of cats!! Lorrie On 02-25, Kelley Saveika wrote: As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you ever tried it)? PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes. They were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or something of that nature. Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to worry about them. PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking at animals from a distance. They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly on TV. I think they are nutty as fruit cakes. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
I've heard people say it's not good. The ONLY way to check out any sanctuary is by visiting it yourself. NEVER send ANY cat to somewhere you have not visited personally. No limit on the number of cats is DEFINITELY a red flag. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 2/25/11, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 8:57 AM On 02-24, Susan Hoffman wrote: This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. I've been looking at on-line sanctuaries because we are old now, (78 and 88) and I need a place for my cats to go when we depart this earth. Do any of you know about Caboodle Ranch in northern Florida?? It looks great on line, but could still be pretty bad as they certainly won't be taking pictures that make it look anything less than wonderful! They only charge $150. per cat, and say they have no limit as to the number they can take and this raises a red flag to me. If any of you people in the northern Florida area have any info about Caboodle please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
Unfortunatly a lot of sanctuaries are run by hoarders. There was one near me who was a 501c, but really was nothing but a hoarder with a rescue license. Not all sanctuaries are this way, but you can only be sure by visiting keeping in contact with the people. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 4:17 PM This is the problem with most sanctuaries. It's a flawed business model. A sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care So they fill up fast and, as the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain. And usually the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes because they simply have a hard time saying no. This is just not a sustainable model. The few good long term sanctuaries really limit the population. And they very often have an adoption component that allows them to make space by placing animals in good homes. You just can't keep taking animals in with no way to decrease the population. It becomes unwieldy very quickly. --- On Thu, 2/24/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:37 PM There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand knowledge of what a horrid place this is, yet people still take their cats there. It is called Cat Nap Estates and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for potted plants. I had her hold two feral cats for a couple of months while we were moving and our house was being built. They went completely vetted, yet they came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified. The vet said she didn't think the female was ever let out of her carrier because it stunk so badly they had to throw it away. I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and some of the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats were in the general population. I have heard other horror stories about her and her sanctuary from others too. She may have started out with good intentions, but the road to h*ll is paved with good intentions. Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out Sanctuaries This happens time again. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kitty.cat Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM To: spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com; atlanta Rescue Groups Cc: georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' - Original Message - Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' A PETA undercover investigation exposed the chronic deprivation and suffering of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy, stifling, dungeon-like, disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal Sanctuary (SVAS) in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The operator of this so-called quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in cruel, disgusting conditions. Many of the animals have endured these conditions for years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found convulsing and dying in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused repeated offers for free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky in a filthy bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the cat finally died. Please click the link below to help end the suffering and death of cats at SVAS now! To take action on this issue, click on the link below: http://www2.peta.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=PtJIyHJzakKAPa-52Eez-A..id=3583 If the text above does not appear as a link or it wraps across multiple lines, then copy and paste it into the address area of your browser. If you no longer wish to receive email messages sent from your friends on behalf of this organization, please follow the link below: http://www2.peta.org/site/TellFriendOpt?action=optouttoe=c1008561306ab8401a47ff9682e23217733f619a56c5115e __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only
Re: [Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today
Thank you for taking him into your home giving him a good end. I had a little FeLV boy who would put his paws on me hug me, too. Blessings to you and sweet Scrappy. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 2/24/11, paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com wrote: From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Scrappy Angel over the Rainbow Bridge today To: leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 11:26 PM My little Scrappy boy was coming to the end of his fight, I only had him for 8 months when he walked into my home and was already in bad condition, hence the Scrappy name, I didn't think he was going to live 1 month. at that time. Though I should have named him Angel for all the love he gave me, he'd started responding to Scrappy so I kept calling him that. I've had plenty of cats in my lifetime, not often do they care for face to face contact with people, but he'd look straight into my eyes lean forward and rub his cheek on mine, even placing his paws on my chest to stabilize himself when reaching for me (sometimes I wouldn't realize right away what he was doing). The vet said he was 8 years old, so he must have contracted FeLV as an adult. He'd stopped eating, had labored breathing and had taken to hiding. His sunken eyes lost any indication of light and so we stopped any more injections or treatments and I had to have him laid to rest today. Thank you for reading, and for all the information and support I got from this mail-list Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out Sanctuaries This happens time again. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kitty.cat Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM To: spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com; atlanta Rescue Groups Cc: georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' - Original Message - Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary' A PETA undercover investigation exposed the chronic deprivation and suffering of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy, stifling, dungeon-like, disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal Sanctuary (SVAS) in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. The operator of this so-called quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in cruel, disgusting conditions. Many of the animals have endured these conditions for years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found convulsing and dying in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused repeated offers for free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky in a filthy bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the cat finally died. Please click the link below to help end the suffering and death of cats at SVAS now! To take action on this issue, click on the link below: http://www2.peta.org/site/Advocacy?s_oo=PtJIyHJzakKAPa-52Eez-A..amp;id=3583 If the text above does not appear as a link or it wraps across multiple lines, then copy and paste it into the address area of your browser. If you no longer wish to receive email messages sent from your friends on behalf of this organization, please follow the link below: http://www2.peta.org/site/TellFriendOpt?action=optouttoe=c1008561306ab8401a47ff9682e23217733f619a56c5115e __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Purrayers for our Rosie
I'm so sorry about Rosie. I know your heart is already breaking after losing Murphy Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sun, 2/20/11, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Purrayers for our Rosie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 11:07 PM We thought she was the survivor-She is the last of the litter of 5 kittens we caught in Oct 2008. Her 4 brothers passed in 2009, a month apart. She made it to 2 years, now 2 1/2tonight I felt a lump on the left side of her neck. I am hoping our vet is open tomorrow. She is not showing any pain-I checked her neck and throat because she gagged a little tonight, but nothing came up. She had tonsillitis in January and was on Zithromax-she came out of that just fine. I am dreading this-we just lost Murphy in October from Lymphoma. Rosie was so lonely when he passed-she became depressed-slept all of the time, we were so worried-she checked out fine, we had her blood work done-all ok. We ended up adopting 2 negative kitties-a male that was 6-7 months old and a female that is 9-10 months old. The rescue vaccinated each one twice for FeLV and kept them an extra month-their vet thought they would be fine since they were pretty mature and were already negative. She has been running and playing again and we thought all was well in the world. I hope this lump isn't Lymphoma. Alice...owned by Rosie, Sachi and Miso!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.
Thank you so much for sharing the video of Tweezer. What a sweet beautiful boy. How lucky he was to have you you him. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 2/4/11, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone. To: FeLV talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 4, 2011, 8:05 PM Tweezer lost his battle with this horrible disease this afternoon. He had an aggressive lymphoma so there was no hope that he would get better or that he could even be made more comfortable. He crashed at the beginning of this week and was having spasms that were making it very difficult for him to eat, drink or even to stand. He has been very unhappy and scared all week long. When I took Tweezer in he was extremely malnourished and had worms, ear mites, goopy eyes and an upper respiratory infection. As his health improved he became such a happy cat! He was so happy to be alive, he always wanted to play and be loved. This is a you-tube link to a video I took of him a few months ago. He would come to me and ask me to come and play with him and then lead me to the toys. http://www.youtube.com/user/katlover13100#p/a/u/2/xXvteShI_Ig Rest in peace my darling Tweezer. My heart is breaking but at least there is no feline leukemia where you are now. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Questions about placing an FeLV cat
I don't know of anyone. The sanctuaries I used to know of have all been closed after it was discovered they had death camp conditions. Basically large-scale hoarding situations. People now seem to refer everyone they hear about to me just because I have a few. Nothing I can do. I just try to convince the people to keep them. The most recent lady who was refered to me has so fallen in love with the cat she has found a sympathetic, who amazingly has told her she can keep the cat with her other cat. I keep trying to tell people this it has finally worked! Please be so very careful check out thoroughly anyone who offers to take them. I suggest you call the local Dept of AG Animal Control make sure there are no complaints. Also check references of vets they use maybe local rescue groups. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 1/17/11, angeloffire7...@aol.com angeloffire7...@aol.com wrote: From: angeloffire7...@aol.com angeloffire7...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Questions about placing an FeLV cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 12:17 AM I'm not sure who to ask about this, or if this message is able to be put in the daily mailings, but: Does anyone happen to know any responsible groups or people in the south (preferably in Louisiana) that take in FeLV positive cats? I've been rescuing cats and kittens at a house, and one of the kittens has turned up FeLV positive. I have a feeling that the others will be too since they all share the same water source and cuddle up together outside, so I'd like to find out where I can try to place these guys after/if I am able to tame them. The girl I have right now is spayed and is the sweetest little girl. She is about 5-6 months old, incredibly playful and loves to curl up on me at night, and give me kisses! I have 4 other cats that are negative right now, so I cannot keep her- even if she were negative, I would not be able to keep her. Can anyone please offer me any suggestions or group names to begin with? I'd be more than happy to make a small donation to a responsible group/person who would take her! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update (happy news)
I used to take one of mine out under a tree just sit with her let her see the birds sniff the air. Made it less stressful to give her her meds. After she passed I looked around in the grass to see if I could find some of her fur. My neighbors probably thought I was crazy rummaging through the lawn. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 12/30/10, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update (happy news) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 7:56 PM Blessings to you and to Whimsy. When it was time for Ebony to leave this world, I took him out in the snow and let himsit/lay in the cold. This is what he wanted and we froze until the vet got there on New Year's Eve nightMiddletown Animal Clinic rocks. Taking a very old, sick cat out into the cold and snow made no sense to anyone but the two of us. You have a heart connection with Whimsy and I am so glad it worked. On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote: After a stressful, scary week, Whimsy, aka the Whimzinator, is back and better than ever. I knew all he wanted was to go out, so relunctantly, I took him in the yard with me for an hour in the cold, and he was thrilled. he sniffed, walked around, and then ran back in. He was satisfied, had his fill. He literally came back to life in front of my eyes. He hasn't wanted to go out since, and we don't have any plans to do so. Just to build his enclosure. It was against everything I believe is right, but I felt him telling me it was the only way he'd eat again. I really felt he would die if he didn't get to do this. The pepcid injections helped too - but right after he ran in, he ate again, after barely eating for 6 days. He's now back to where he was calorie wise, and is even more loving and cuddly... go figure... thank you everyone for your help. And thank you for the suggestions on nausea - i think he got a sour tummy from being upset, and created a big problem for himself. your suggestions made me remember i could get pepcid injections (since we can't pill him) and this was great. Shannon and the royal cat Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky is an angel
So sorry to hear about Spanky. I know you have struggled with a lot lately with him. He was so luck to have a mom like you. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sun, 1/2/11, S Z szbigcatsr...@gmail.com wrote: From: S Z szbigcatsr...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Spanky is an angel To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 1:11 PM Hello everyone: We haven't posted much on this list for awhile since Spanky was diagnosed with cranial mediastinal lymphoma. It is with a broken heart that I am posting to say that Spanky lost his battle with FELV and lymphoma on New Year's eve day. He had a seizure earlier in the week after taking an appetite stimulant and things went downhill this past week and his phosphorous was so low the vet said they had never seen a cat with low phos like this, and he developed severe non-regenerative anemia. His type of lymphoma was fast growing and he wasn't able to have a chemo treatment for weeks either. Thank you so much to everyone on this list, your kitties, your angels for all the help and support and love you've shown to us. You were an absolutely wonderful support network. Without this group we wouldn't have tried the LCTI imulan, interferon or the many supplements we learned about like Transfer factor etc. I wish all of you the best in 2011 and beyond and will purray your furbabies stay as healthy as they possibly can. We send purrayers and healing thoughts to all of you. Thanks again Stacy and Angel Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Boo is gone
My foster Boo lost her battle with FeLV last night. It was discovered she had lymphoma. I still have 4 other FeLV babies, including Boo's brother, Tab. Boo was so shy with the other cats, but just loved attention from her human mommy. She left way too soon. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Boo not eating either
My foster FeLV kitty Boo is not eating, either. Shelter ran full blood work which was normal had 2 vets look her over. She swallows a lot like you do when you are coming down with a cold, but the vets said she had no fever her throat looked OK. She ate 2 small pieces of chicken some baby food off my finger last night. Ate 1/2 jar of baby food with the help of Cyproheptadine this morning. She is at the shelter awaiting a vet appointment. hopefully tomorrow. I hate not being with her. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend?
My females are little stinkers with other cats. My male cats have always been the nurturing, accepting ones. I've had big male formerly outdoor Tom cats who get fixed come inside play mom to my kitten fosters cuddle with my adult males. My female cats swat hiss at the kittens or new adults. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 10:49 PM thanks for sharing, Bonnie! I wonder if it's just a female thing? I know there are laid back girl kitties, but I've always had tempermental, fussy ones, who I loved dearly. We call our only female - the oldest at 15 - queen, too. :) --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 8:27 PM Shannon I have to tell you this story... I got my cat, Stormy, as a 12 week old kitten. She was indoors only. There was a yard cat but they only saw eachother through the window. About a year after getting Stormy, I decided to go back to school to finish my degree. I was already working full time, so this meant poor little Stormy would be alone much of the time. In a move that is the *only* time I've sought out a cat (they usually just come to me, as Stormy had) I went to the local shelter and adopted a kitten about 12 wks. old. I brought him home and said, Look Stormy -- I got you a friend! Hiss, spit, growl, fur on end, very unhappy cat. Oops. I don't think she ever quite forgave me... From this I came to the conclusion that humans are social and cats are solitary. That's undoubtedly not an absolute in either case, but generally speaking, I think most cats would prefer to be the only. ps -- Stormy now shares the house with three others, all came to me out of their need. She's a little pissy sometimes, but I let her know she's queen and let the others know they are to give her utmost respect (she's the elder puss) and she's adjusted very well. Good luck! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats
Congratulations on our new additions! I'm sure Murphy sent them your way :) I am so drawn to black kitties. I just lost mine this morning from complications from Stomatitis. It seems many times they have realized they need super personalities to overcome the black kitty syndrome. I have had adopters come to our shelter say they did not want to look at any black cats then leave with a black cat because their personalities were just what they were looking for. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Question About Inegrating Positive and Negative Cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 8:55 PM Well, here we go into the fray!! After losing 5 FeLV+ boys in the past 1 1/2 years and suffering the worst heartache and financial strain-we were down to just Rosie-littermate to 4 of the boys who passed first, a month apart, all by the time they were a year old. We just lost Murphy the end of October, he was 2 1/2, and our big, elderly Aussie on Nov 6. We went to Petsmart to get some dog food and a local rescue had their adoptable kitties there. I had already asked the SPCA, been honest with Rosie's FeLV+ status-they said no kitty for me. I fell in love with 2 of the boys there and had picked one out-a semi long haired lilac colored kitty. He was so cuddly and also played tough with the other kittens-he was about 5 months old and fully vaccinated for the regular stuff and neutered. I asked them to consult their vet about letting me adopt-they did and she said no problem!! They kept him an extra month and vaccinated him twice for FeLV. He had already tested negative for it. So Miso has been home for a week now and our home is active again-Rosie is playing-they chase each other all over the house! Oh-Miso had been a feral baby-and had a badly infected eye which had to be removed-but he isn't hampered at all by it!! He is 100 mph all over the place and up the cat trees! When we went to pick him up, I visited the first kitty and he wants to live with us also-so we adopted him too-he's a solid black, compact kitty-mellow purr machine, also about 6 months old-the rescue people were so happy-he'd been with them for a long time-black kitty syndrome, I guess. But I had gravitated to him first because my lap kitty that passed 2nd was Jack-a solid black boy who insisted on cuddling with me as soon as I got home every day and I missed him so much. So in a month, he will be coming home to our kitty disneyland-with a living room full of cat towers and pop tents, ball toys in the tracks and tons of kitty toys! I can't wait. But I think it helps to get older kittens who have already tested negative and then vaccinate-it may not be foolproof, but we are trying. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Insight Please
Marnie, It is common for this to happen. I trapped 5 plus mom, mom was snap negative, runt was positive, 4 others were negative. 6 weeks later one of the negatives got a fever, was retested, and was positive. We think the first test was done too soon after his last exposure, there was not enough antigen yet in his body for the test to detect. Some vets will wrongly try to tell you that they will all eventually test positive. This is definitely not true. Three of our negative littermates are now 4.5 years old and still negative. As far as why this happens, there are a few different theories, but no one knows for sure. One that I have heard is that they could be infected by a nanny cat. In our case we only did the Elisa on the momma, then spayed and released her. Had we done an IFA, she may have showed positive. Following is a link to a chart which shows what testing path to follow based on the results that you are getting. http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html Best wishes, Beth On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Marnie marni...@embarqmail.com wrote: My shelter just took in a litter of 5 kittens. They are about 8 weeks old. The 3 females tested possible for feline leukemia with the Idexx snap test and the 2 males were negative. We retested from another batch of tests and the same thing. How is this possible if they are all from the same mother? Can anyone shed some light on this please? Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Caesar Please add to the CLS :(
What a wonderful group you work with to give these precious babies a chance at life. Caesar was so luck to have people like you, Sherry. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Caesar Please add to the CLS :( To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 8:39 PM What can I say about this BEAUTIFUL sweet boy,he had the softest most gentle look in his eyes ALWAYS. And he knew out of ALL the Sids kids he was extra special to my heart.I got to spend some time with him after my shift Saturday,and deep in my heart I knew I was not going to see him again.I had such a hard time leaving that night.I could NOT give him enough kisses on his beautiful black and white face or tell him I loved him enough times.He knew he was my special baby.As you all know I love all the Sids kids,but some melt into your heart just a little more. My heart is so heavy tonight. :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis Update -- Something to be Thankful for!
Yeah for Avis! He has a very diligent mom! Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 11/23/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis Update -- Something to be Thankful for! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 12:10 PM Hi all, The last six weeks have been a bit of a roller coaster with Avis. We were able to get medical record details from the summer of 2009 when he was first rescued as a 5-6 month old kitten: four snap tests (2 weak positive 2 negative) plus a negative saliva test. On 10/20, Avis had an IFA second CBC to establish a firm baseline before starting an LTCI regime. The IFA came back positive which was no surprise given the strong positive on the 9/28 snap. What WAS surprising was that all counts on CBC #2 were completely, absolutely, wonderfully normal! So we postponed the LTCI order and waited a month to do a third CBC to figure out what the heck was going on. The 11/17 results came back a couple of days ago and they were pretty much a mirror image of the 10/22 one - perfectly normal on all counts! Not sure why the RBC, HCT Retic numbers on Avis' first CBC were so bad, but they did lead to us discover his FeLV+ status, so I'm grateful for them. Aside from some minor gingivitis, Avis currently has no clinical symptoms so we are treating him as FeLV+, asymptomatic and will closely monitor with checkups CBCs every 3-4 months. LTCI is in the toolkit if RBCs, WBCs, and/or platelets start to decline down the road. Happy Thanksgiving to all the wonderful furrbabies and their people who have been so kind to us the last few months. We are truly grateful! Kris, Avis Max (the dog) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
I always give my cats a pro-biotic with clavamox such as Stoneyfield Farms plain yogurt. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:30 PM That's been my experience often w Clavamox. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea. he was miserable and we had a few messes when he could not make it to the box. this was from emergency vet on a Sunday night. got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end of that week. thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any more abuse. buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden. i have 4 gardens with buriel plots in them. only plant shallow rooted things there. then Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort. also gave her herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store. at the end of 30 days on the pill she is free of crystals and infection. lost the envelope they came in, but developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium. i was desperate for something to get rid of the crystals. she was retaining urine and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem. she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over the house. after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the ---. she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at them. now i am laying in a supply of Feliway. I hesitated to get this, is expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?
It's true that healthy cats can get it, but since it needs a host to survive does not last outside the body, there is no need to start throwing things out. Fears like this are what make people so scared of FeLV cats why vets routinely euthanize them. I would never discard something just because an FeLV cat used it. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 9:01 AM That's not true. Cats can contract it even when their immuun system is strong. They just don't get sick from right away. So healthy cats can also get it. I would be very carefull with the things your cat used! 2010/11/7 Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Im so aorry for your loss. My vet said the virus lasts only a short while outside the body, a minute or so. Healthy adult cats have good immunity to it anyhow. I have lost several felv cats, and never do any extraordinary cleaning or waiting when they pass away. In my opinion don't worry about it. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Laura Svoboda lazygra...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone through yet so my post was rejected. I was asking for suggestions on how to get my FLV cat, Chloe, to eat. Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning. I wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast. Anyway, can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat tunnel, litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home? I have read that the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home - leaving me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on them to get other cats sick. That is the last thing I'd want. Does anyone have any suggestions? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi Stacy, One of my negative cats has EGC on his belly. He gets raised, red plaques and licks constantly. I had no luck with topical creams, fish oil, or allergy shots. We had him on prednisolone to control it for quite a while, because it worked and it was what we could afford. Unfortunately, it also thinned his bones and he broke his leg last summer. All better now, but all told, the steroid was not so cheap. His brother has food allergies and is on Cyclosporine to control them. It was $90.00 bucks a month for his meds, but our vet found a cheaper supplier ($43.00/month) so we were able to start giving it to our EGC boy as well. It has worked even better for him than for the food allergy boy. He gets a 25mg pill 5-6 days a week, hoping to be able to cut him down to every other day eventually. It is an immune suppressant, so they are not getting vaccinations while on it. Not as big of an issue here as we no longer have any FeLV+ in our group. Kidney function does need to be monitered while they are on it. My vet was more paranoid about this in the beginning, did CBC's before starting it, another a month later, and then one every six months. As it's been used on more cats she's become more confident in its safety and now they will just get a yearly CBC, unless they show any signs of urinary issues. Best of luck, Beth On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.
Sweet Murphy. I will miss your posts about him. He was definitely one of a kind. I know how much you will miss him. You gave him a wonderful home lots of love. What a lucky boy. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 10/26/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 2:54 AM Murphy has passed to the bridge tonight to join Buster, Oni, Jack and Schatzi-Rosie's 4 brothers that passed last year. He was 2 1/2. Glenn and I saw in his eyes tonight that he was tired. He gave it all he had but in the end FeLV took him too.We will miss him so much-he filled the house with his incredible personality. He always ran to the door to greet everyone-he never knew a stranger. I will miss his big, poly-dactyl feet going clickity-click around the house and how he could leap up the wall and turn the light switch off and on when he chased the laser toy. Rosie will miss giving him vampire kisses-she's a tough love kinda girl and she is the last Mohican of the 6 FeLV+ kitties we began this journey with. Thanks to all of you for your kindness and caring. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like
HAHA! My mom was always a Dog Person, until I begged her to get a kitten when I was a child. She ended up as super cat lady. We had 2 dogs 6 cats, a Flemish Giant Rabbit, turtles, a Parakeet, a guinea pig Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sun, 10/24/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 5:35 AM Murphy sounds like a super special kitty! It's interesting, every time I hear of people who have never been cat people, along comes a cat that completely wins them over! Cats are so good at that! Cats are also great at being almost better than dogs at being official greeters because they don't yap and bark.(nothing against dogs, especially nothing against our dog Cookie, who was found almost two years ago as a 2-month old puppy on the street in Sayulita, Mexico). Love your description which makes it so obvious how much you're in love with Murphy! Natalie and =^..^= =^..^= =^..^- etc. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like Murphy is the most beautiful black / white, sorta fluffy tuxedo boy. He was either a throw away or a lost kitty that was in with the ferals-he was a sweet and friendly boy-we posted his photos in the local newspapers and craigslist for a month, not one response. We then took him to clinic to neuter, vaccinate and find a foster home for him so he could find a family. I didn't want him to come to my home with the 5 FeLV kittens I already had rescued from the ferals and had tamed. The clinic called and said he was positive and was going to be euthanized unless I came right away and picked him up. So we brought him home and said it was Murphy's Law-LOL hence his name. He has the biggest paws with 3 thumbs (7 toes) and goes clickity when he walks around the house. He is the official greeter, like a nosy puppyloves everyone. I was not a cat person, but raising the 6 kitties has me totally a cat nut job! I am smitten with his sweetness and will miss him so much. He has the biggest eyes, maybe part persian, has a fluffy coat, not real long but is soft and he has a spring loaded tail that is always straight up in the air. Even with all the meds and treatments he has had, never held a grudge, he normally comes into the kitchen and waits when it's time. His pic and Rosie's too are on my facebook (along with all my FarmVille therapy!!) if you want to see him, go to my photos and they are under my random photos album. We only have 2 out of the 6 that we began with. Alice Flowers-Clark ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like
I just knew he was a Tuxedo. What a beautiful boy. Love hugs to the sweetie little guy. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sat, 10/23/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 10:53 PM Murphy is the most beautiful black / white, sorta fluffy tuxedo boy. He was either a throw away or a lost kitty that was in with the ferals-he was a sweet and friendly boy-we posted his photos in the local newspapers and craigslist for a month, not one response. We then took him to clinic to neuter, vaccinate and find a foster home for him so he could find a family. I didn't want him to come to my home with the 5 FeLV kittens I already had rescued from the ferals and had tamed. The clinic called and said he was positive and was going to be euthanized unless I came right away and picked him up. So we brought him home and said it was Murphy's Law-LOL hence his name. He has the biggest paws with 3 thumbs (7 toes) and goes clickity when he walks around the house. He is the official greeter, like a nosy puppyloves everyone. I was not a cat person, but raising the 6 kitties has me totally a cat nut job! I am smitten with his sweetness and will miss him so much. He has the biggest eyes, maybe part persian, has a fluffy coat, not real long but is soft and he has a spring loaded tail that is always straight up in the air. Even with all the meds and treatments he has had, never held a grudge, he normally comes into the kitchen and waits when it's time. His pic and Rosie's too are on my facebook (along with all my FarmVille therapy!!) if you want to see him, go to my photos and they are under my random photos album. We only have 2 out of the 6 that we began with. Alice Flowers-Clark ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!!
Awww. Thanks for the update. I know how much you love them. Hope he is loving on you tonight. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 10/22/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 12:07 AM Wooo Hooo!! Before I left for work this morning, I gave him his meds (Interferon 1cc into the mouth, and the capsules-one with doxy and cypro, one with lasix and 1/2 pred, I fill the extra space in those capsules with powdered Lysine, and one cap with Rutin, so his am is 3 capsules and in the pm he gets one more with iron). Washed it down with unflavored Pedialyte and then 3 syringes (I use the 3cc) of watered down AD food from the vet. I left instructions for Glenn and my son Corey to try to give him some food and Pedialyte throughout the day. When I got home tonight he came wobbling out into the kitchen to greet me!! I am ecstatic at this point. I gave him his meds and fixed some food, some fancy feast and another dish of AD. I put him up on the counter (I have to feed above Aussie height!) in the spare bathroom and he worked on the fancy feast for awhile. He came into the kitchen for some kitty treats, then laid down for quite awhile. When he woke up, I carried him into the bathroom where the litter box was (we took the cover off of it) and he went in by himself!! He is still real wobbly and spends most of the time lying down, but he is more alert and wanting to spend time near us, not in the dark spare room. A little while ago I felt something brush my legs, I looked down expecting Rosie but it was Murphy!! He laid down quickly and I sat on the floor petting him and talking to him. He'll get another 21 units of Procrit tomorrow night. Man, all of your purrayers are working!! Hopefully he is going to keep improving, good thing they have 9 lives. Another funny thing-last night when I walked past Rosie, she reached out and smacked my leg. I turned around and walked past her to see what she was trying to do and she smacked me again!! I think she is feeling neglected!! I haven't spent much time with her since Monday with all the worrying about Murphy. So tonight I have been playing with her-she likes to race ahead of you and do a forward roll, flop over on her back and have you rub her tummy! Thanks for all of your purrayers and kind thoughts. This is a battle not easily won and these little victories are sadly temporary for the most part, but I am grateful for every day. I just want the last 2 kitties to be with us longer, it hurts so much. Your friends, Alice, Glenn and the kids Rosie n Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
I have a friend who orders X-O in bulk on line splits the cost/product with friends who pool their money. She swears by it. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:27 AM It's interesting, but after we had this conversation about OdoBan last week, I found a bottle of X-O in my vast arsenal of odor-removing/neutralizing products, and used it on a very stubborn peed on area - it worked immediately. I don't know why the X-O was stuck in the back - I truly believe it's the best one I've used so far. It comes in concentrated form. There's a also a super concentrated cleaner made by X-O - I am going back to it. I found a very inexpensive source online, if anyone would like to try it. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking
Cyproheptadine always works in my cats. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Hotmail Junk cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Hotmail Junk cstet...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 11:03 AM We do fluids for our cats too, it also helps. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:34 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Natalie is right. It is very important to keep him eating, too. Cats can go into liver failure if they don't eat their normal amount of food. This can happen fairly quickly. Check out the feline assisted feeding yahoo group for ideas and info. Prayers for you and Murphy. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking Since fluids are so important to keep a cat from dehydrating and keeping organs functioning, an option might be about 100-150 mL of subcutaneous fluids given daily or every second day - it's easy to learn how to do yourself and saves a lot of lives in the long run! Could your vet give Murphy an injection of Vitamin C, B12 etc - could be a great booster. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe to give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I gave him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing and drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today
Will be thinking about little Murphy baby you, Alice. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 9:13 PM This is the craziest roller coaster!!! Geez-Sunday Murphy was a busy bee, all happy and jabbering up a storm. He was finally feeling better with a week of Lysine under his belt and the sneezing and sniffles were subsiding. Yesterday he was fairly quiet but I thought he may have done too much the day before. Last night he did not eat, went into the spare room and laid on the floor in the dark. Not his style, normally he's nearby. This morning he laid in the kitchen until he got his meds, then didn't want to eat. I was able to call the vet from work and get him in this afternoon. We just got home. His PCV dropped 10 pts to 28 and may be even lower because he's a bit dehydrated. We will bump the Procrit up to 2x a week and increase the iron caps to every night instead of every other night. Maybe we lowered the dose too quicklyhe began the end of July with his first crash at 3x a week with the Procrit, then we dropped it to 2x-he bounced back so well that we dropped him to once a week when his HCT got to 38 two weeks ago. His lungs still sound good, but breathing is a little labored from being anemic. Ultrasound showed a little fluid around the heart, but nothing like the fluid in his chest in July and August, temp is normal, eyes clear. So please friends, more little purrayers for my bestest buddy!! Alice and the kiddos! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that they don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't - but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status. He has the sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were planning on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time to break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without your mom and dad. Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, we have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap him, couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called. I want to make the leap now for peace of mind and his safety, and now that I can handle him (picking up, cuddling) it seems like the right time - I don't want to stress him more - he does sometimes get upset being cooped up. Should we just toughen up and keep him in all the time, except when he is with us? He does get lonely and paws at the door to be let out if he's alone too long, and I don't want him to get depressed. Adding another FeLV kitty would not be the best financial move, given the whole clan we have with various ailments. I also wonder if another FeLV could make him worse off, if that new kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV. Whimsy for now has been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old. I hope he's one of the ones that can sustain health for a long time. I also don't know how he'd act around another kitty. so, in summary - 1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do? 2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him? thank you, Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help.. need advice on fleas
I really would doubt it. I put Advantage on my FeLV cats for years never had any problem. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Help.. need advice on fleas To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 4:48 PM Hi, I saw your post and felv. My cat Cheshire recently passed, she developed leukemia, she had a lump on her neck. She was anemic and wasn't gettign enough Oxygen in her system. I got so many wonderful replies of condolences on here. One of the things I wondered was whether the revolution flea product I had applied on her 6 weeks before she passed somehow weakened her immune system or made her sick. I rarely applied flea product on her, since she only went out on the deck. She had had revolution treatments a couple of years ago when she had fleas but was fine then except for her asthma, My other non-felv cat goes out. Anyway, it was jsut one of the things I've wrestled with. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
Hi, I have 1 formerly stray, and 1 formerly feral. I think the best way is cold-turkey. Otherwise they will just keep begging to go out and trying to slip outside. Mine adjusted quickly, had one scary over-night sneak out, but overall they seem content to be inside. Teaching him that he must wear a harness to go out can work too, but he will be more likely to try to sneak out if it is sometimes allowed and sometimes not. Best cat toy I've found to occupy their time is the Catch Me If You Can toy at Walmart, $20.00. (Don't waste your money on the Butterfly Blast). I also hide treats on their cat tree... Best wishes, Beth N. On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after 2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)
Yeah Murphy My cats claim my step stool in the kitchen, too:) Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after 2 weeks of dripping and sneezing) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 1:05 AM It's been a rough two weeks with poor Murphy and his drippy and sneezy nose. He got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by mid-week he wasn't eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He will not eat anything with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive Lysine treats that I bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water because I have water all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a 5 gallon water dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our home. The cats drink out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel caps that I get from my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2 in the AM and 1 in the PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was dripping outta both ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I called the vet and they said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for his nose-steam (he already perches on the toilet seat every night while I shower, so I turned the fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I disassembled all the gel caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and pred. I filled all the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled them. So maybe he was getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On Thursday I gave him his LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He was still sleeping alot Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed brighter. Today he is following me all around the house and is more involved and talking again. Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin nasal spray with 2 parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the snoot- He went into 4 wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at all, so it may have helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank goodness he is such a forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any sneezing and barely any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this morning, sitting on his little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short. It's in the corner of the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't shut up until he and Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3 capsules. He sits and waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet food! Anyway-that's our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it takes a little time to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up whenever his immune system is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on it? Alice (Rosie and Murphy too!) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where
Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas
Stay away from tea tree oil. It is toxic to cats I've seen it in Natural remedies for cats - scary! Natural isn't always better. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
Yes, vaccines can be damaging. The stress of keeping the cats separated can be damaging as well. Stress on the cats was a big factor in me mixing mine. It is a choice you have to make - weigh your options, talk to your vet, talk to others make the decision you are comfortable with. At this point my negative cats are all about 9-10 years old have other medical issues which will probably get them 1st. If they get FeLV I am not going to feel horrible or second guess myself. If they get vaccine sarcomas I am not going to hate myself. They were all rescued from the streets have all had lots of love good lives. This is a decision I am comfortable with. Everyone has to make the informed decision they know they will not regret. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 7:31 PM Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I rescued a litter of 5, 1 tested positive and was quarantined, and died of FIP at 12 weeks old. One of the negatives became sick soon after, was retested, and he was now positive. He had no contact with his sick sister between tests. I began to get his negative siblings vaccinated, but did not seperate them from their remaining positive sibling, as they had already been exposed anyway. I did keep the whole group seperate from my original adult cat. I didn't let them mix with her for many months, not until the vaccine had been boostered and and another FeLV test had been done. The positive remained positive for the 3.5 years I had him, and the negatives have remained negative. Best wishes, Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia
How anemic is he? what is his HCT? It is a common thing with FeLV needs to be monitored. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 9/30/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:39 PM I am so grateful to find this group. Please help me with your collective experience wisdom on this horrible disease. I don't have many specifics about Avis' history, but I gather that he was a stray in bad shape when he was rescued, then bounced around before settling in a dorm room with a college student friend of my daughter. Avis is currently about 21 months old. In May, I agreed to keep him for the summer. The original plan was that he would live in my good-sized, many-windowed basement safely separated from Max, my 9 year old border terrier who has never shared his home with another animal. Avis would return to his college student when school started after labor day. I absolutely did not expect the silly dog cat to become best friends in a week, playing together all over the house. Max wasn't the only one who quickly became fond of Avis, so I offered to keep him through the school year to avoid cooping him up in a dorm room. Avis came to us with a diagnosis of Feline Herpes a third eyelid permanently raised about halfway on one eye. A few days ago, I took him to a vet ophthalmologist for a minor procedure to improve his vision. A complete blood workup was done as prep to general anesthesia. It showed anemia, nonregenerative. WBC, Neutrophils LYM were also very low normal. The eye procedure was postponed. I rushed Avis to my vet for a FeLV/FIV test. Positive for FeLV, which was heartbreaking, but not really a surprise. Avis feels just fine right now. But because he already has blood abnormalities there is obviously no way to predict how long he will continue to feel good. My vet says she is willing to try any reasonable option to give him a chance at as much good quality life as possible. So I am now researching LTCI, Interferon, ImmunoRegulin, Staph Protein A -- all the treatments I'm sure have been thoroughly discussed on this forum before. Any consensus about what is most safe effective? Because there do not seem to be any definitive clinical trials or studies to go by. I will likely take care of Avis for the time he has left -- this is too much for a busy, stressed out college student to handle. Any suggestions to keep Avis as strong and comfortable and happy as possible for as long as possible will be very, very much appreciated. Thank you! Kris B. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV
Hi Rachel, Here is a link to a chart that explains what the next step should be for each type of test result. For positive Elisa, negative IFA, they recommend retesting after a certain time period until the results are no longer discordant. Hope this helps, Beth http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Rachel sshutterb...@yahoo.com wrote: Question: From what I understand, if the IFA test comes back negative, that may just mean that while he may have the virus, he's just not shedding it? If the first two tests are positive and the IFA test comes back negative, doesn't he still pose some kind of transmission risk to other cats? From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 12:10:05 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV Rachel, check with the vets to see what test was used. There has been a lot of reports of false positives with the new IDEXX heartworm/FeLV/FIV combo test. If that was the test used please arrange for the IFA test before making any decisions about Oscar. Sharyl --- On Tue, 9/28/10, Rachel sshutterb...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Rachel sshutterb...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster cat with FeLV To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 10:45 PM Hi- I work with a nonprofit animal rescue based in Cincinnati, Ohio. Two weeks ago we took in an owner-surrender cat who tested positive yesterday for FeLV. We had him retested this evening at another facility and that test also came back positive. Unfortunately we do not have any fosters who can accommodate an FeLV-positive cat out of concern for our own and other foster animals. I am trying desperately to find alternate placement for Oscar locally, but am not having a lot of success. Oscar is a purebred odd-eyed white Persian cat. He is about three years old and is asymptomatic. He was purchased from a breeder as a kitten and was kept as an indoor-only cat in a household with no other cats. Does anyone here know of any resources or organizations that may be able to take Oscar in? We are willing to transport Oscar (within reason). He has been neutered and will be fully vaccinated prior to placement. I would absolutely hate for this friendly, gorgeous cat to be euthanized simply because alternate placement cannot be found. Thank you, Rachel Richardson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV testing protocols
Georgetta, Here are more links that I could find on when to test, somewhat contradictory. Since the Elisa looks for antigens, not antibodies, you can test as young as you like without worrying about maternal antibodies interfering. But, since the virus needs some time to incubate (I'm seeing anywhere from 2-9 weeks mentioned) the earlier you test, the greater a risk you run of getting a false negative. Maybe decide based on risk factors, quarantining those from colonies with a history of positives, those from hoarders, the runts, and sickies as long as possible, and quickly socializing those born to indoor only cats in small number homes (oops litters, or the I just wanted the kids to see the miracle of birth babies)? Most cats are adopted out as negative on the basis of just one test, and most adopters don't retest, so there are probably a lot of positives slipping through already anyway. Beth http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/Pages/FeLV_Web.pdf “Vaccination for FeLV does not affect test results since the tests are for viral antigens, not antibodies. Kittens can be tested at any age because maternal immunity does not interfere with testing.” http://www.cpvh.com/Articles/17.html “Diagnosis is made by clinical signs and a positive blood test. Testing is recommended for kittens at least 8-9 weeks of age, all stray cats, and ill cats. Because of the incubation period and also the cat’s ability to fight off the disease, it is recommended to perform two tests at least two months apart. A new kitten or stray cat could be incubating FeLV, and if tested too early in the disease, will receive a false negative result on the test.” http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/iyer/index.php “Viremia is usually evident 2-4 weeks after FeLV infection.” http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html Chart for testing protocols which recommends final testing be done 90 days post exposure, if possible. Also gives different protocols based on known versus unknown exposure history. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over
So sorry about your sweet baby Cheshire. You did the right thing she knew you loved her. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] My cat Cheshire crossing over To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 5:41 PM My sweet, beautiful little Cheshire crossed the rainbow bridge last Wednesday night. She had only been sick for less than 10 days. She was on antibiotics and some pred for 10 days for gum problems. I was going to schedule her for a cleaning in a few weeks, but her health seemed to decline a few days after that. She started hiding under the bed, and not eating, when seh came out, I saw a growth on her throat area, adn took her to the vet. They weren't sure if it was a abcess or worse. I took her back seveveral times over the course of 6 days, she had to be given fluids through IV, and I syringe fed her. I've never been through anything like this before. I was praying for her. On wednesday they told me they couldn't do surgery to remove the cyst 'cause she was so anemic and her blood count was so low, it looked like she had leukemia. The only thing to do was bring her home or try to get her more help at the vet hospial where they have cancer specialists for a transfusion. I brought her there. They had an extensive list of treatment for her, and costs. It was stressful. I gave them permission for treatment and a deposit before they could do anything. They told me she started to go into distress when put in the Oxygen tank and tube, I wanted them to do whatver they could to help her, and Cheshire blinked at me when I was in the room with her right next to her. She wasn't really blinking before that as whe had a tube in her mouth that was helping her breath. This was so painful for me. Her heart gave out, and that's how she went. I don't know if anyone on here has been through anything like this, but I've wondered if by brining her to that hospital and trhing to get here more help to stabilize her for a transfusion caused her more distresss that lead to her passing? I've talked to the doctors who told me no, that didn't do it, she was just very sick,a nd even if i'd brought her home, she would haev onyl survived a few days or 24 hours. I even had jsut bought the Mega C plus which I had heard good things about reversing felv. I told her how much I love her and she knows that until I see her again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV testing protocols
Hi Georgetta, Yup, I understand how bitey an unsocialized singleton can be! My arms were SO scratched up from my first positive that lived in quarantine from 6-12 weeks. Others here may have better references, but I found one article that says that the time between infection and testing positive is normally 2-8 weeks. If funds allowed, perhaps one snap test when the litters are combined, and another prior to adoption? May not be practical or affordable for a real rescue, I've just done my private little rescues and kept more (10 total, 2 now deceased) than I've managed to adopt out (7). I'll see what other references I can find in the morning... Good night, Beth N. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV misconceptions
Hi Georgetta, A negative snap is not always negative. I rescued a litter of 5 six week olds, sickly runt was immediately quarantined, Elisa tested positive at seven weeks old. Her siblings were first tested at eight weeks old, all negative. One brother came down with a high fever at fourteen weeks, retested positive. He was probably so newly infected at the time of the first test that he didn't have enough antigens? or antibodies? (can never remember which one the test looks for) in his system yet. Both of my positives are now gone, their 3 vaccinated siblings remained negative. I know it is not practical for rescues to hang on to a kitten for months waiting to retest and confirm the negatives, but FWIW I don't really trust a single snap test, positive or negative, especially if it is done too soon after the cat's last possible exposure. Beth N. One question I have for the FeLV group - How young do you test for FeLV? I know there is the concern about maternal antibodies triggering a false positive, but if a Negative is really a Negative on the Snap (ELISA) test... shouldn't you be able to test pretty young/small kittens, provided you can draw the blood required? I know there might be a greater chance of a false positive, but taking the into account, you should be able to clear at a pretty young age, maybe 3-4 weeks? That way you could clear the negatives and relax a bit, then be supercareful to keep the + kittens in quarantine as long as necessary to clear or confirm! Any experience or insight would be greatly appreciated. (I am ccing to orphankittens and the feralcats groups for more input.) Thanks and good luck with your cats and kittens, Georgetta (back from today's PETCO adoptions - placed just 2 older kittens in 4 hours - neither were any of the 8 I took to show for adoption... sigh... wish me better luck tomorrow.) www.CatsCradleRescue.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's check up
Alice, I lost two of five to this lousy disease, can't imagine going through it as many times as you have. Wishing you strength to see Murphy through his journey. They were a lucky litter to find you. Hugs, Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Please add Charlie to the CLS list
Charlie was a little Flame Pt. Siamese mix kitten with Medium super soft hair. He was a joy to have around purred constantly. Charlie lost his battle with FeLV this morning. He had been going down hill for a week or so, but had a good night last night where his rescue mom got to visit he ate almost a whole jar of baby food. This morning, however, he hardly ate anything, even with an appetite stimulant. His 3rd eyelids were up he would have to rest after walking only a few feet. He was not in my life for long, but he made a big impression on me his rescue mom. We love you little boy!You can see pics of Charlie on the FeLV Cats FD page at: http://tinyurl.com/27gdqas Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS
So sorry Laura. Please don't blame yourself. We've all had times when in hindsight we think there were things we should have seen. If they would only just sit up let us know, it would be so much easier. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 9/2/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Tiger to the CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 4:57 PM Tiger didn't have FeLV, but he passed away last night, much too soon. He was thirteen. I'd had him for three years. He was always a gentleman a loving, sweet boy. Three weeks ago we went to the vet. Something was wrong; he was sluggish and not eating well. It turns out he had a large abcess in his throat. The abcess was lanced, a whole lot of dead tissue was removed, we were sent home with antibiotics and everyone thought things would be fine. They weren't - there was a second vet visit last Monday, the abcess was drained again he was given more fluids. Tiger was hospitalized this Monday. The abcess wouldn't clear up, and even though he was given a stronger antibiotic he just couldn't fight the infection. I visited him yesterday and he ate for me and purred and purred. I didn't want to get my hopes up too high, but I still wasn't expecting my vet to call this morning give me the news that he'd died. I thought maybe we had a little bit of a chance. It turns out that Tiger had a hole in his esophagus; he must have ingested something that cut him. I would give anything to have him back with me. I wish I had taken him in sooner. He'd been quiet this summer, and not sleeping with me at night like he normally did, but everybody was quiet this summer because the house was so warm. Nobody else was snuggling with me on the bed either. I didn't pick up on the little signs that he wasn't feeling well. If I had, he might still be alive today. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay?
Heather I went through this with my 1st FeLV. I was hesitant to spay her, but when she went into heat (I'd never seen ANY cat in heat before) I figured the stress of that was far worse than the stress of the spay. She needs to be spayed regardless of the outcome of the retest. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 8/27/10, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV/FELV teen awaiting retest, in heat--Do we spay? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 12:15 PM Hello, Seeking input...we have a beautiful young Siamese rescue kitty who tested FIV/FELV positive (the FELV was that controversial light positive) and is awaiting retest, of course we did not want to stress her immune system so were waiting to spay her (just found her a couple of weeks ago) but I was worried this would likely happen, she is in heat. I would guess that is also a stress to her system, but am not really sure what we should do. I am a rescuer highly involved with feral cats/TNR so spay/neuter is always a priority but of course the hopes of clearing the FELV is right now the biggest hope for this little girl's lifeany input is appreciated. I asked my vet and she really wasn't certain what to advise is going to get back to me. Thanks! Heather ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on josie, kitty with low hematocrit
YEAH Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 8/26/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on josie, kitty with low hematocrit To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 12:32 PM okay, here's the latest. part of me is screaming hissed, because it turns out that dear josie is probably NOT positive to start with--she came from a shelter that we know is using the new test, and NONE of the FIV/FeLVs, supposedly, from there have retested positive. she went to ANOTHER vet hospital to have the transfusion continued, as of last night, she was up to 19 so the first vet who suspected mycoplasma hemofelis, but didn't test for it, nor put her on doxy, was the real culprit. lots (LOTS) of vet bills later, but josie's a much happier cat, and now we're just trying to smooth the feathers of all the humans involved. PLEASE enter your good vets' info into the database at www.adopt.bemikitties.com so we know where to find help when it's needed. thanks. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:24 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: I'm glad to hear it. Way to go Lisa and Josie Jenny On 8/25/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: she's on doxy, they did a partial transfusion (1/2 the amount), because they're an after-hours-only practice? but her hematocrit went from 8 to 12 just with that, she's perky, showing interest in hanging around. that's all i have now... MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
I did a blood transfusion on my cat with an 8 Doxy he started bouncing back within a day. He was not FeLV+, but he did have Hemobart Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 8/24/10, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 10:13 PM Sounds like the vet is not too interested in working with felv cats. Gave up before fighting, huh. With a hematocrit of eight the cat's in real trouble. If it's hemobartonella the rbcs are being continually destroyed. They will generally transfuse around 18 so she doesn't have much time to make a decision. I would go to the emergency clinic if deciding to do the transfusion as they often have blood in house. For hemobartonella, all it would really take is a drop of blood to look at under the the scope to see if there is agglutination. It isn't a definitive test, but very suggestive if there is a limited sample. As far as treating with doxy at this hct, I would. To the best of my knowledge, doxy does not cause bone marrow suppression and the benefit of treatment far outweighs the risk if this is truely a bartonella issue. It is unfortunate further work-up wasn't done. If it were me, I would probably go to the emergency clinic, give sub q fluids, see if I could get a smear to look for agglutination and if there was I would do the transfusion and start doxy. This, however, can be expensive and invasive. She could just try the doxy without a transfusion - in that case I would probably also do prednisone as you need to stop any further destruction of rbcs, but only for a matter of days. It may not work, but it would be the least invasive and less expensive. She may than add some supplements - I'd do cod liver oil about half of human gel capsule(for the Vitamin A, Vitamin D), NAC - about 100mg, and sodium ascorbate - 750mg, and consider the herbal tonic. As you know, no guarantees, but God is in the business of miracles, I believe. Good luck and God bless. Jenny On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:47 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote: my suggestion is CERTAINLY to check for hemobartenellosis--why it wasn't done initially, i have no idea. not knowing the kind of anemia either, makes it difficult. the vet involved claimed that they were having trouble finding any blood, and they wouldn't be able to call til after 5PM. i'd thought that the vast majority of cats in the US were one type, just wasn't sure which. perhaps the vet just presumed she'd want the cat euthed, so once he got preliminary results, he didn't keep looking. you think that doxy is not too hard on the system of a kitty with such a low hematocrit? the good thing is that the cat's mom is NOT going to do extraordinary care to make herself feel better. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:24 PM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: Hey, With respect to blood transfusions in cats. Most cats are blood group A - around 99% in the US. As it is in people you need to match the blood types. Because there is such a high prevelance of type A in the US, they do not always do a type and cross - to me this seems foolish as it would be easy to just do a cross and look for any reaction in the test tube. I don't think they always know how to do this in general vet labs. If you have a cat that is O or B (again unlikely in the US), they will react to the transfusion of an A blood type donor. I personally have had bad luck with transfusions in felv because you are only treating the symptoms of the disease and they will have to be transfused every month or two. Every transfusion increases the risk of a bad transfusion reaction. If, however, the cat has a regenerative anemia (lots of reticulocytes) and something like a hemobartonella infection, the transfusion in conjunction with treatment of the hemobartonella may yield positive results. What I am trying to say is that, if the cat is anemic because his bone marrow is not producing more red blood cells, a transfusion will only prolong the inevitable by a month or two (this would be end stage effects of the felv). Unless there is some novel treatment for felv in this stage (I haven't found much - LTCI, acemannan and interferon have been proposed and sometimes help but no guarantees) and you are willing to try one of them, I would probably not opt to do a transfusion. If, on the other hand, there is a regenerative anemia and an underlying cause for the anemia - like hemobartonella - a transfusion in conjunction with treatment of the hemobartonella may be helpful. Especially
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie - Please add to CLS
What a blessed little kitty. It sounds like you enhanced each other's lives. Bless you for giving him such a loving happy home when others were going to give up on him. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Wolfie - Please add to CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 3:30 PM Wolfie left us today after a long battle with leukemia. I took him in 6 years ago after he was found in a pole barn and was going to be put to sleep after testing positive. I still remember going to see him for the first time. He had cuts under his eyes and looked so sad. I couldn't possibly resist even though my husband is horribly allergic to cats. Wolfie thrived in our home and was a joy to live with for the past 6 years. The horrible sores under his eyes went away and he grew to be one of my biggest boys. He was always a momma's boy and spent hours and hours on my chest purring and kneading daily. Even when I was pregnant, he spent every night on my belly. He was the most opinionated cat I've ever had and he insisted on his way at all times but it was an honor to know him. He was diagnosed with non-regenerative anemia on my b-day last year and has graced me with almost another year to enjoy him. I'm so grateful for that time with him. He has fought for the last year with such strength, courage and amazing determination. However, he decided today was the end of the fight. I wouldn't expect anything less from him. My favorite number is 23 (hence my e-mail address awilkins23) and while it's a sad day, I'm glad that I will think of Wolfie with wonderful memories every time I see that number. Thanks for all the advice and support that I've been given while trying to help Wolfie beat this disease. Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!!
Keeping you Murphy in my thoughts, Alice. I know you cherish every good day. It must have made your heart sing to see him at the window watching the birds. Hugs, Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sun, 8/15/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 11:14 PM It is one day at a time-the roller coaster is going up this week. Last Sunday evening I thought he would not make it through the night. I had spent the weekend hand feeding and watering him with a syringe-he spent most of the time stretched out on the bed. We went ahead and gave him the Procrit (Epogen) and LTCI shot-I put them in one syringe so I would only have to give him one shot. He didn't even flinch. I thought he'd be gone by morning. I woke up at 5:30 to get ready for work and I didn't see him on the bed-I went to the kitchen and saw both he and Rosie sitting at the open slider door screen (it was a nice cool evening-we left it open) watching the birds at the feeders!! He came trotting over complaining about breakfast-got his meds and ate a decent amount of wet and a few morsels of dry. He slowly improved over the week and we had a vet appt on Friday (8/13). They did an in house PCV, but it was 19-I think the last time he may have been dehydrated-it was 27-28 and the time before it was 18.5 (7/23). She was happy with the pinkness of his gums-not real pink, but not that death white color we dread. His fever was gone, back down to 100.5 from 104.7 the week before. She suspected he had a herpes virus-he developed a little lesion on the top of his nose that has healed. Luckily we picked up our LTCI order that day-she said she wanted to keep him on it weekly for now until his numbers get back up. I will never try and space the LTCI 8-10 weeks apart. That is when he crashed with this anemia. Luckily his last CBC on 8/7 stated that the Absolute Reticulocyte count of 70610 shows that it is so far a regenerative anemia. I have the higher calorie wet food from the vet and he really likes it. We are taking it a day at a time, but he is perking up-he still sleeps alot-but in his usual spots near the desk and he is wanting to stay near us. He isn't up to leaping for the top of the bookcase yet. When I woke up this morning, he was jabbering at me, lying between the pillows and watching the young pheasants eating spilled birdseed from the feeders through the low bedroom window at the head of the bed. We watched the birds for awhile, then I got up-he raced to the kitchen ahead of me, wanting his breakfast! He got his pills and a good breakfast. I don't know what tomorrow will bring, but today is a good day. He is to stay on the Procrit 3x a week, doxy 2x a day, interferon 2x a day, LTCI once a week, and iron capsules once a day. We will give one more PennG shot for good measure-they last 5 days. I am grateful for your purrayers-I do believe they help immensely! I am lucky to have such kind vets-they take us at a moments notice. I think it helps to have a cat only practice to go to, (Sacramento Cat Hospital) plus they are open minded and progressive-they did not hesitate when I asked them to order the Imulan after they read up on it. This is a hard journey we are all on, we lost the 4 brothers last year despite trying the transfusion and other meds. It helps to have people who understand-sometimes even family members look at us like we are insane-LOL Alice and Glenn - owned by Sweet Rosie and Mr Murphy! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rocket to the CLS 6/06 - 8/10
How wonderful for you to have given her such a good life, Sharyl. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 8/16/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Rocket to the CLS 6/06 - 8/10 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 4:48 PM Rocket had a bad week. She had gotten another Immunoreglin shot last Monday. It didn't seem to help her at all. She just wasn't interested in eating except for a little kibble. I tried several times to syringe feed her but she got so upset. She would start panting like she couldn't catch her breath. We were to go back to the vet today. This morning she wasn't able to walk very well and was having problems breathing. So we made that final trip to the vet. Thankfully my dear neighbor drove us. Rocket normally starts with heavy breathing when we go to the vet. This morning was worse than normal. She had a small seizure as we were entering the vet's office and died there in my arms. Her little heart just gave up. I'm sure she had some type of tumor. Wasn't anemia like Sissy. She was such a good girl. Never a big love bug but enjoyed playing with the feather toy and loved her treats. Even this last week she was rubbing my leg as I was preparing the food plates. Another reason it was so heartbreaking when she wouldn't eat. Rocket is my last FeLV baby. I do feel fortunate to have had her for almost 4 yrs. I 1st met her at the dumpsters July '06. She was one of 5 kittens that would come running when I showed up with food. Spooky vanished but over time I was able to trap Rocket, Sissy, Daisy and Mae. Rocket and Sissy became house kitties. Daisy and Mae were much older when I trapped them and became garage kitties. Now Daisy's babies and these four are gone. Leaves a big hole in my heart. At least she had a good life and wasn't sick until these last few weeks. By sharing her story I am trying to celebrate her life and encourage others to love their companions each and every day. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Litter
Glad you your kitties like it! Beth N. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:18 PM, rache20...@aol.com wrote: Thank to whomever suggested the Chicken starter/grower from TSC. I went and got a 50lb. bag for $11.49 (and I live in NY state). I'm thrilled. It is just as good or better than the World's Best at a fraction of the price. I love it. So, thanks for the suggestion! It's great and the cats love it. It does have a little bit of an odor to it (not any different from World's Best) but it is not nasty or offensive. Just kind of like food, or yeasty (it is corn after all) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-rowrequ...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, Aug 14, 2010 1:00 pm Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 12 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter
Hi Kelley, Me too! I like the way this box catches the urine in a reservoir. One of my boxes is a Tidy Cat Breeze right now. The cats love it, it is their favorite box too pee in, but the urine collection tray is too shallow and the pads are bad for the environment. It's too bad, I love the way it looks, and how the scoop can hang off the side, if it just had a urine bottle instead of the tray/pad combo it would be perfect... Beth (Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter, Mama, Sprite, Schnozzie Harriet, and angel Will) On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: I want one of these so bad! It uses safflower seeds for litter. Completely biodegradable and you CAN get the safflower seeds from Walmart. Do not have to buy from this company. http://www.felinediabetes.com/SCB/SCBcatalog.htm ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter
HAHA Barb! I had the same experience with Sweat Scoop. I actually had to take a hammer to pound the cement off the bottom of the litter pan. A few years ago I did a litter test. I bought a bunch of different brands of litter filled a box with each one - clay, Yesterday's News, Sweat Scoop, World's Best, Feline Pine... monitored the smell which boxes the cats were actually using. World's Best took the prize in eliminating smell was the one the cats liked best. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 11:44 PM $10?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I stopped using it because a 17lb back was over $20 - even with a break - holy frijoles i really loved it though - it's much better than swheat scoop because it doesn't turn into sticky cement Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 9:50:44 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] cat litter hello everyone, just found a great new litter called World's Best Cat Litter. i found it at Tractor Supply in Troy, Mo., but they are starting to sell through PetsMart and PetCo. it comes in 3 diferent sizes. it is great, a 17 lb bag costs $10.00 and it lasts longer than clay litter. best of all, it is gound up corn so it is biodegradeable, light weight compared to clay, clumps really good (even Dee can't break up the clumps), doesn't smell and lasts longer because you can get out whole clumps and don't waste as much. i called them and they sent me a $3.00 coupon. also sent me to Smart Source.com where i got another $3.00 coupon. they started out in New York area and now are spreading across the country. i live in the country so i just made another compost pile for the cat litter. even if you are in the city and cannot have compost piles, when it gets to the landfil, it will break down and not hurt the environment. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter/eating litter
My cats have only eaten litter when they have been anemic dying (FeLV cats only). Then I have to go to shredded newspaper. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 8/9/10, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 11:39 PM p.s. i have never had a problem with my guys eating litter, guess they are getting what they need from their food. Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Check out www.catinfo.org about this and other litters. My cats ate it... :( Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] cat litter hello everyone, just found a great new litter called World's Best Cat Litter. i found it at Tractor Supply in Troy, Mo., but they are starting to sell through PetsMart and PetCo. it comes in 3 diferent sizes. it is great, a 17 lb bag costs $10.00 and it lasts longer than clay litter. best of all, it is gound up corn so it is biodegradeable, light weight compared to clay, clumps really good (even Dee can't break up the clumps), doesn't smell and lasts longer because you can get out whole clumps and don't waste as much. i called them and they sent me a $3.00 coupon. also sent me to Smart Source.com where i got another $3.00 coupon. they started out in New York area and now are spreading across the country. i live in the country so i just made another compost pile for the cat litter. even if you are in the city and cannot have compost piles, when it gets to the landfil, it will break down and not hurt the environment. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-PCV is up to 27-28 but has a fever
I had an FeLV cat with unexplained fever of 106.7. He had to be at emergency all weekend on IV drugs fluids. It did not come back, but he started having more more problems after that. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 8/6/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-PCV is up to 27-28 but has a fever To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 9:33 PM What the heck-we can't get well!!! His gums are looking nice and pink-his PCV in the office is up to 27-28 from 2 weeks ago. His temp was 104.7 today when it had been 101.6 the last 2 visits-7/23 and 7/29. That explains his dry, warm nose. They gave him a shot of PennG and I will repeat in 5 days at home and to keep him on all the meds like we have been the last 2 weeks. He's been on Doxycycline for 2 weeks. He is down only 2.5 oz but overall has gone from 11 lb 15 oz in November to 10 lb 2 oz today. He looks bright, but is sleeping a lot. I don't get it-what is causing the fever??? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude
So sorry, Julie. The same thing happened to me a few months ago with a foster kitty. He just acted a little quiet. His blood panel looked good, but they found tumors he went quickly. At least they had some love. Sometimes that's the best you can do. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Julie G. kisluv...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Julie G. kisluv...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 10:22 AM Thanks Paola, I honestly thought he'd be around a year or so yet! His blood panel didnt show any signs of trouble so I was hopeful. Didnt know what I was gonna DO with him for a year, but that's a different story ;) (I have 4 cats so he was living in the basement). The tumor thing came out of no where and I wasnt expecting it. But hey I didnt know what to expect! Amazing how a little guy can touch your heart so fast! From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 10:47:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude Hi Julie, I took in a stray that turned out to be FeLV+ at the same time you did (2 days before 4rth of July) so I really feel for you. My little Angel is doing ok for now, but when I first took him to the vet I was thinking he'd be lasting a month or so as well, and the feeling was terrible and wanted to give him the best time being as possible, not having to wonder where his next meal was coming from or run from other stray/feral cats in the area. Your little Dude had a little luck in the end. From: Julie G. kisluv...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 3, 2010 3:31:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude Hi I've been lurking a few weeks. In July I picked up a stray that turned out to be FELV+. In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy bed, delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give him, since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he could live (I have 4 cats). I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my lap, snoozing away happily. He always seemed a little wobbly, and his pupils were always different sizes. But he was relatively happy so we kept on. Last night his back legs didnt work. This had happened before, my pet sitter said, but they always came back on after a while. But this morning they still didnt work. The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors pressing on his spinal cord. He was in pain and his entire back end didn't do what he wanted it too. So the decision was made to let him go. He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we finally caught him. I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating, frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full of tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work. I'm crushed that we couldnt give him a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he needed us, and filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks. Safe and comfy and within a foot of food at all times. :) Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to it... so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted to drop a line to folks who understand. He wasnt my kitty for long, but he was my kitty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] To Rachel hemobartonella
So sorry, I am so behind on emails. My kitty was almost dead by the time we realized what he had. He was hiding I tore the house apart for 2 days trying to find him. He had to have a blood transfusion intervenous Doxyclycline. Once treated he responded rapidly. But it cost me $3,000 over 4 days. If the cat is not that sick, they usually just treat it with Doxy. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sat, 7/17/10, rache20...@aol.com rache20...@aol.com wrote: From: rache20...@aol.com rache20...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] hemobartonella and possible FeLV interested party in NY! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 11:17 PM I have 2 questions! One fl\or Paola and one for Beth. Paola, I would love to know who in NY is even somewhat interested in an FeLV+ cat as I have one who may or may not need a home and I just brought 2 kittens to a sanctuary yesterday, and I owuld love for them to have a real home (I live in NY). Also, Beth, I just had my rescue cat who has FeLV diagnosed today with hemobartonella and I have a really bad feeling about it. She is not eating well, is depressed, lost 1.5 lbs in a little over a month (and she was skinny before). She was 5.5lbs and is now 4 lbs. I'm really worried and sad for her and I want to do all I can to help, but I don't want to make her suffer, and I have three of my own cats to worry about plus all the other rescues. This is getting very costly! So if you know of something that might help the hemobartonella, please let me know! Thanks Rachel ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fw: Re: to Paola - Mixing positives negatives
Paola - In the past I have always mixed my positives negatives. I did this on the advice of my vet, who said I would simply stress the positives by keeping them separate. I vaccinated my negatives every 6 months, again, on the advice of my vet. One of my FeLV negatives was an FIV+ in all the years I mixed, none of my negatives, including my FIV cat, ever go the FeLV. Right now I do not mix simply because one of my negative cats has Stomatitis I recently spent $3,000 saving his life from Hemobartonella, which we believe he got from a depressed immune system because of the steroids he is on. So, understandably, I am paranoid right now about exposing him to anything else. But when I did mix (and I had 5 positives 5 negatives for a long while), I didn't separate them in any way. They all shared food, water, litter; they groomed each other, etc. All my negatives have been retested several times over the years have remained negative. I even had a foster kitten who had FeLV died from FIP. He lived in my bedroom with one of my negative cats for months. My cat never got the FeLV or the FIP. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 7/13/10, paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com wrote: From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:17 AM a question, I saw posts from 2 people having FeLV+ cats in the house with non affected cats. How do you gys manage that? I just rescued a stray that turned out to be incredibly sweet and FeLV+ but I have 6 others that are indoor/outdoor so they are all vaccinated for FeLV but since it's not 100% I am keeping rescue kitty in the garage and hoping to find someone with a closed household willing to take him as a sole cat or an additional cat to a household with another FeLV+ cat. Having no luck so far (found a possible person with 2 infected cats in NY but I'm in Los Angeles) I'm looking into what I must do if I keep him and for this I also joined this listserv. Do you have them mingle? I figure food dishes should definitely be kept separate. My cats are indoor/outdoor and I caught a feral last year who was also FeLV+ so I'm thinking it's been going around and if they were likely to catch it they might have already done so? I know it's not an exact science but this cat's desperate about being left alone in a room, I sit with him for a while but when I leave he cries for a really long time. Sorry for the long post. thanks Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
I work with Furkids. My best friend her family stayed there until 1am giving fluids taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties. What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were retested. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Received this warning from Furkids Rescue: Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM Dear Colleagues, Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their animals. On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine (167346B, exp. 2/20/11). ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl. Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we have never seen anything like this. Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep and return them immediately. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
These were healthy cats who were to be going to Petsmart locations or to be adopted from our cage-free shelter. We vaccinate all cats being put up for adoption. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:03 AM I'm so glad that all are OK! I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to my vet. I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they being vaccinated? Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a colony or adopted and allowed outside? Cats were tested, were negative, then retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing something here. Sorry - Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I work with Furkids. My best friend her family stayed there until 1am giving fluids taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties. What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were retested. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Received this warning from Furkids Rescue: Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM Dear Colleagues, Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their animals. On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine (167346B, exp. 2/20/11). ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl. Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we have never seen anything like this. Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep and return them immediately. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
They are going to have it independently tested. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:04 AM If you still have some of that vaccine, don't throw it away, it needs to be tested. I do not see how a supposedly killed virus vaccine would cause a positive on a restest. Gary -- From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 8:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I work with Furkids. My best friend her family stayed there until 1am giving fluids taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties. What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were retested. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Received this warning from Furkids Rescue: Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM Dear Colleagues, Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their animals. On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine (167346B, exp. 2/20/11). ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl. Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we have never seen anything like this. Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep and return them immediately. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
I'm not aware of any of the cats being given Metacam. Metacam has to be very precisely dosed not given for extended periods of time. I've used it many times with no problems. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 1:09 PM Thanks for the warning. My house kitties get annual FeLV boosters since I have an indoor positive kitty. Just a comment about the treatment given the sick kittens. Please avoid using Metacam as a pain med for cats. A single oral dose of Metacam can cause acute kidney failure in approx. 30% of cats. A better choice for a pain med would be Buprenorphine. Here is a link to more info on Buprenorphine. http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/buprenorphine-buprenex/page1.aspx Please monitor these kittens for signs of acute renal failure. Sharyl --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Received this warning from Furkids Rescue: Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM Dear Colleagues, Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their animals. On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine (167346B, exp. 2/20/11). ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl. Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we have never seen anything like this. Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep and return them immediately. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
They may have. They have a Dr. on call they did what he told them to do. I've never had a problem with Metacam, but there are side affects problems with all medications. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 4:15 PM I was commenting based on this statement '.We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl.' Sharyl --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 2:03 PM I'm not aware of any of the cats being given Metacam. Metacam has to be very precisely dosed not given for extended periods of time. I've used it many times with no problems. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 1:09 PM Thanks for the warning. My house kitties get annual FeLV boosters since I have an indoor positive kitty. Just a comment about the treatment given the sick kittens. Please avoid using Metacam as a pain med for cats. A single oral dose of Metacam can cause acute kidney failure in approx. 30% of cats. A better choice for a pain med would be Buprenorphine. Here is a link to more info on Buprenorphine. http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/buprenorphine-buprenex/page1.aspx Please monitor these kittens for signs of acute renal failure. Sharyl --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Received this warning from Furkids Rescue: Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM Dear Colleagues, Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their animals. On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine (167346B, exp. 2/20/11). ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl. Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we have never seen anything like this. Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep and return them immediately. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
We are a huge shelter with cats mingling in rooms. I guess if you could hold each cat for 6 months retest before introducing them to other cats you may be safe, but I don't see how any shelter could take that chance. While we require our adopted cats to be indoor only, someone could rescue a cat from outside introduce it without testing. Most people don't know enough about FeLV to understand what risks they can put their cats through. I vaccinate mine because I have FeLV cats in the house. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 3:51 PM I am curious about vaccinating them. I usually leave that up to the adopter...my vet recommends agst the vaccine unless the cat is going to go outside. I have not vaccinated my last cat and won't vaccinate the one I am bringing home today. My others were vaccinated several times before I discontinued FeLV vaccinations. I test twice before introducing them and that makes me comfortable with introducing them. (Mine are all negative - things might be different if I had a FeLV positive living here). Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING Really...I got blasted for it by some very fair trusted people! Be interested in hearing what happens with this, first and foremost, hope the cats recover well. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From a vet to whom I sent the warning: Fort Dodge is notorious for questionable vaccine products. I will not use them - too many problems with them over the years. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I'm so glad that all are OK! I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to my vet. I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they being vaccinated? Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a colony or adopted and allowed outside? Cats were tested, were negative, then retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing something here. Sorry - Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I work with Furkids. My best friend her family stayed there until 1am giving fluids taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties. What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were retested. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Received this warning from Furkids Rescue: Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM Dear Colleagues, Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their animals. On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine (167346B, exp. 2/20/11). ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl. Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we have never seen anything like this. Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep and return them immediately. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing
Re: [Felvtalk] Please light a candle for Taj
So sorry Sara. He must have been a handsome Bengal boy. The one I just lost became sick suddenly, too. My heart is with you. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 6/22/10, Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com wrote: From: Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Please light a candle for Taj To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 6:23 PM Dear friends, I had hoped to avoid writing this note for a very, very long time. Our blue-eyed bengal boy Taj is napping at the bridge this afternoon. He developed breathing trouble over the weekend, and today we discovered that he had a massive tumor pressing into his lungs. Heroic measures to extend his life would have been selfish, and given the underlying FeLV+ diagnosis, unlikely to have improved his quality of life. He was a brave boy, hiding his discomfort from us for so long. He lived a very short life, only 14 months, but he was loved and pampered in the extreme. His sister, Rani, shares the FeLV+ diagnosis. We pray she will be with us much longer. My thanks to each of you for your fabulous advice and willingness to share what you have learned along this difficult and often sad path. Sara ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Onyx to the CLS
Avia - I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your baby. My thoughts are with you. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sat, 6/19/10, Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com wrote: From: Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Onyx to the CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 9:16 PM Onyx lost her battle with FeLV tonight. Please add her to the CLS Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update - happy news
Oh this is so wonderful! Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update - happy news To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:45 PM Just wanted to give an update on Whimsy, originally a feral I was going to TNR. He went for another visit about 6 weeks ago to the vet and surprisingly everything was 'perfect'. I know how things change quickly with these guys, but it was still a celebration. Since then, he's been wayyy more interested in coming in. He DOES have the sunroom (our others miss laying about in the rays, but they'll recover) all to himself. (I think it's great he can feel he's still a part of the outdoors, with all the windows in there) He comes in before dark and is out in the morning. Usually he stays in the yard, his box, or in the sunroom during the day - he gets really upset if he's locked inside too long, so he's still outside when he wants for short periods. He mostly sits with us, watches the fish in the pond, or climbs the large tree. I have a feeling come fall, he's going to be strictly inside. Now, when he wanders a bit, we call him and he's within earshot - he comes bounding through the yard like a puppy (don't tell him I made a canine comparison, please). So, we have done this at 'his pace'. He's become the 'lappiest' cat I have ever had, always wanting to cuddle. He truly wants to meet the others inside, and it's so sad to see him look at the 'real inside' of the house, wanting to come in. But, he's got his own toys, scratcher, catnip, etc. And it's about a year ago I first saw him - a skittish bundle of black and white, untrusting and scared. These guys really teach us to not believe the word impossible, don't they? This group helped sooo much. So, Whimsy's success is shared by all here. Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge
My FeLV foster kitty Dante passed over the Rainbow Bridge today. I only had him a few months, but loved him dearly. He preferred human company over kitty company, but was tolerant of the other kitties. He was a beautiful grey boy pulled from Animal Control by the rescue I work with. It will be a long time before I stop expecting to see him in his bed. He went downhill fast the last 2 weeks. The X-rays done yesterday indicated he was full of tumors. Luckily he had the lady who originally pulled him from AC to be there with him. Our group never lets animals be euthanized without someone from the shelter being there, for which I am very grateful. It looks like I will be getting a new FeLV kitty from a friend tonight. Not sure I'm ready. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rainbow Bridge: Athena
So sorry Beth, but glad to hear about your healthy 3 year old. There is life with Feline Leukemia. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Beth Gouldin beth.goul...@gmail.com wrote: From: Beth Gouldin beth.goul...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Rainbow Bridge: Athena To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 8:50 PM Athena, our almost 3 year old buff manx, lost her battle with lymphosarcoma/FeLV today around 5:30pm. She went peacefully and isn't in pain anymore. She will be missed dearly. RIP sweet girl Thank you for all of your support - we're still holding out for Ajax, our almost 3 years old FeLV+ but happy/healthy siamese boy. -- Beth Gouldin beth.goul...@gmail.com 940.395.5393 God Bless!!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Ellie to CLS :(
She sounds like she was a stunning girl, Kathi. Bless you for giving her the chance at life. Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Kathi Clark kathi_cl...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Kathi Clark kathi_cl...@hotmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Ellie to CLS :( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 2:35 PM I had to put my Ellie down this morning. She was only 4 years old and developed symptoms on Memorial Day and lasted only 4 days. A tumor in her chest was leaking fluid and squeezing her lungs. I couldn't watch her suffer any longer so I had her put down this morning. She was a little love and purred and looked lovingly at me, even at the end. What we could learn from these creatures could fill volumes. They are so forgiving and don't ask questions. They just live for the moment and, therefore, don't miss the moment like we time-crazed humans do. I will remember her always. She was a beautifully marked little girl with gray and black swirls on her body and white around her mouth and chin and a butterscotch nose. I am feeling such guilt, though, that I didn't resort to any treatment whatsoever. My vet never suggested it but I should have looked into it myself.. Kathi _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Rainbow Bridge: Athena
Athena, our almost 3 year old buff manx, lost her battle with lymphosarcoma/FeLV today around 5:30pm. She went peacefully and isn't in pain anymore. She will be missed dearly. RIP sweet girl Thank you for all of your support - we're still holding out for Ajax, our almost 3 years old FeLV+ but happy/healthy siamese boy. -- Beth Gouldin beth.goul...@gmail.com 940.395.5393 God Bless!!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Sissy to the CLS
Hugs to your, Sharyl. She was a very blessed kitty. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sun, 5/9/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Sissy to the CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 7:36 AM Like Tommy my sweet Sissy also passed away Tuesday. She had a peaceful passing at the vets. She was ready to go. My dear neighbor drove us so I could hold her on the trip. I rescued her and her sis Rocket from the dumpsters 2 1/2 years ago. Took them to the vet and they tested positive for FeLV. After getting my house cats updated on their FeLV vaccine they were became part of my cat family. They were my 1st FeLV kitties and I have learned so much from this group on how to help them. Both were active and healthy but Sissy's lymph nodes were always enlarged. Thought we might have made it past those critical points but a couple of weeks ago Sissy started the fast FeLV fade. She was such a loving little girl. She would jump up on the kitchen counter to help me get out her Temptation treats. How she loved them. I know she had a good 2 1/2 yrs and that consoles me but I sure miss her. Rocket seems to understand and has been giving me extra loving. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mouth ulcer
Lisa - I battled Stomatitis - -inflamation in the mouth- with one of my FeLV kitties - also named Tom . He would would run from his food bowl in pain because it hurt to eat. We used antibiotics steroids. I'm not saying that's what this is, but I would think they would use the same treatment. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net wrote: From: Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Mouth ulcer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:27 AM It's been challenging trying to figure out what was wrong with Tommy's mouth. A couple months back, I wrote to this group about Tommy, my FeLV+ boy, batting at his mouth. At first we thought he might have a bad tooth, but all of his teeth look okay. Yesterday, he went to see his holistic vet again because he's been losing weight. He has lost about a pound since January and I was getting concerned. It seems that he has an ulcer on the roof of his mouth. How we all missed it (his holistic vet, the dental specialist, and I) is beyond me. But at least we know it's there now. Tommy seems like he WANTS to eat, but is afraid to because it will hurt him. He walks to the food bowl, smells it, and walks away. We are waiting on blood work results to rule out kidney issues, etc. Just was wondering if anyone has any experience with such an ulcer, and any suggestions for treating it and getting him to eat. He's only 1 1/2 years old, and was doing SO very well up until January. Thank you, Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clean-up/Dealing with Virus afterwards?
The virus doesn't live long outside the body. I never do anything to clean up. I never even wipe out the carrier. You can wash the beds, bowl, litter pans, but I wouldn't throw anything out. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 4/28/10, Joe Reil redshar...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joe Reil redshar...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Clean-up/Dealing with Virus afterwards? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:22 PM Hi all, I had a message earlier this month about the cat we lost to FELV, Stitch. She'd been positive for several years and was the only cat we had. We're not anywhere near ready emotionally to get another cat yet, and probably won't be for at least a few months, but I do know we will at some point so I'd like to see if there's anything special or particular we should be doing now to make sure there aren't any live remnants of the virus around when we do? Thanks, Joe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Do you know why....
Not sure statistically how often it happens, but I know it can, because it happened to me. Tested mom cat (negative) and sickly 7 week old runt (positive) with the in-house Elisa snap test. Four other littermates were separated from mom and the runt and were tested at 8 weeks (all negative). At 14 weeks one of the negatives came down with a fever, we ran the Elisa test again and he was positive. He apparently was very recently infected when we tested him the first time, and thus didn't yet have enough of the antibodies? or is it antigens? circulating in his blood stream for the test to detect. It is important to retest cats that test positive as well, as they may fight off the disease and test negative at a later date. In order to give the virus time to clear out or settle in, you should wait at least 120 days from last exposure to test again. And, it is best to use the IFA test the second time. I understand it is better at picking up persistent infection which has settled in the bone marrow. I suspect that had we IFA tested the feral momma kitty, we may have found that she actually was infected. Instead, when we got that first negative we had her spayed and released. Of course, their is also a chance that she really was negative, the kittens could have been infected by another stray... Beth On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote: If a cat tests negative for feline leukemia why does the vet recommend a second test in two months? What are the possibilities of the same cat testing positive the second time? Reyna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
I would wonder, too if these cats were truly positive to begin with. I also wonder how long they treated how long they waited after they were treated to do the tests. Also, steroids can help alleviate mask many symptoms. I know my cat with Stomatitis can be drooling have severely irritated gums, but after a shot of DEPOMEDROL he looks like he's been cured in no time. Unfortunately, after a month the effects wear off. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 4/16/10, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 12:53 PM Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] on shelters and rescues
Thank you for all you do for Georgia, Laura. Our rescue pulls from many Animal Controls in GA. We don't euthanize for FIV or FeLV. In fact we have an entire house we rented to house all the FIV kitties. One of our volunteers nicknamed it The House of Love. We have adopted some of them out. We do pull some pretty cats that we know will be easy adoptions, especially if they are already fixed. If a cat is going to be an easy adoption, make us a few dollars it helps defer some of the costs for the animals who cost us a lot - and we have many of those. We certainly don't ask for vetting to be done. We also have many special needs cats have taken elderly cats, abused cats, 3-legged cats, etc.. The one cat I have on My FeLV Cats Face Book page was pulled by our rescue from an AC. We think he was beaten with a baseball bat. We do take some owner surrenders. I guess we get them before they go to AC. We also try to help people as best we can to keep the cat they are trying to surrender if it is through no fault of their own. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sat, 4/10/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] on shelters and rescues To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 8:15 PM I have actually had rescues ask me - or our shelter's volunteers - to pay (out of our own pockets) to alter and combo-test cats before they take them. Do they reimburse us? Of course not. We finally told one rescue that we were not wealthy people and we just couldn't do it. They will not pull from us unless we pay to have the cats vetted, then they sell those cats for $150 and pocket every dime. Now that's a crappy rescue. There are some bad shelters here in GA. I won't mention any names, but there are several I've heard of that IMMEDIATELY take owner surrendered animals to the back and put them down. Those pets never even get a chance to be adopted. It may be different in other areas of the country, but most GA shelters have high euthanasia rates relative to adoption rates. There are no no-kill county shelters in GA; to label a shelter as bad because they are forced to euthanize is just unfair. Nobody wants to do it; everyone is miserable and snippy and cranky on euthanasia day, even the ones who have to take antidepressants as a result. We only euthanize one day a week, our director puts down as few animals as possible, and some days we've been back at capacity by the end of the day, the turn-ins are so bad. Intakes are high - several times we've had 30 or so owner-surrendered animals come in within just a couple of hours. Adoptions are slow, nobody wants cats or larger dogs, only small dogs, puppies and sometimes kittens (mostly at Christmas). Just today we had 8 cats turned in - one is diabetic and was surrendered because the owner didn't want to pay for insulin shots. Pathetic. She just kept screaming at me, I can't afford to take her to the vet! I can't pay for it! I charged her a $40 euthanasia fee - we will try to get that cat out of there, but that owner needed to pay for something. One day somebody turned in 15 cats because they were moving. It's so discouraging, they keep coming in and coming in, and we've been getting pregnant cats and kittens like crazy over the past 2 months, and this kitten season will be a bloodbath. This is the time of year when I have to imagine a zipper over my mouth because I get so fed up with these people, nasty stuff just slips on out. Our director will not euthanize cats with FeLV and FIV. We adopt them out. He knows that I have cats with both and he knows that they can have a great quality of life. Sorry for venting, I just get tired of being told - from both the public and from people in rescue - that you kill animals there. If they have a solution for dealing with all the so-called strays and owner surrenders and accidental litters, we would be happy to hear about it. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Holmes Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry Sherry. At least he was loved. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 4/5/10, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Holmes Please add to the CLS :( To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 11:50 PM We lost another wonderful boy to felv today,Holmes was a quiet laid back sweet orange guy.He will be missed very much. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Please add Percy to the Candlelight list
A good friend of mine Roxane rescued a double positive kitty named Percy about a month ago. He passed away suddenly - vomited collapsed died. His foster mom was just getting ready to take him to the vet. He seemed healthy was the sweetest love bug. Happily his last month was spent inside knowing what it was to be loved. Roxane is just devastated. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond
I'm so sorry Crystal. They know you loved them very much. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 3/24/10, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:01 PM Both of my beautiful baby boys, Brillo and Desmond joined their brother Nibbler in heaven today. My heart is broken. They will be missed more then words can describe. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat
How wonderful! And what lucky kitty :) There have been several times I have been mysteriously led to do things I wouldn't normally do it has ended in a rescue. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sat, 3/20/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 7:25 PM First, thank you everyone for all your kindness and support over Bridget's passing. I appreciate it so much. But she's sent me another FeLV+ friend to help! On the evening of 3/17, the day she died, I checked the adoptable positives section of the website. Lo and behold, someone in GA had posted an available kitty just the day before. I never, ever check those postings, ever, but I figured the best way to honor Bridget, Baby Girl, Frosty Paws and the rest would be to take in another needy baby. These kind people had found this little girl in their neighborhood, but couldn't keep her due to the wife's allergies. They'd been boarding her at their vet's office for 5 weeks but hadn't been able to find her a home. Anyway, they brought me the cat yesterday, and she's just wonderful...still a little nervous around my big boys, but she'll be fine. Maybe this was meant to be. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
Oh Laura I am so sorry. You have truly had an awful time lately. Please don't blame yourself. I've had a couple kitties die under anesthesia. It has usually been their heart. You are such a wonderful person to take in these kitties have done so much more than most people would have. Unfortunately having these kitties takes a horrible toll on our hearts. My thoughts are with you. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 3/17/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:45 PM Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I have to know whether I killed my cat. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
I've used program in the past, too, it worked wonders. Do be very careful about the meds you give for ringworm. I know there is a liquid that is toxic to FIV cats. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Diane Tyler drty...@spenserslegacy.org wrote: From: Diane Tyler drty...@spenserslegacy.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 7:23 PM I've had lots of success using Program for ringworm. I've used it twice: this year and several years ago for groups of four or more cats. The dosage suggestions can be found at this website: http://www.vetinfo.com/cringwrm.html I know lots of people might not agree that this is an effective treatment, but again, it has worked for me and is certainly a lot less stressful than bathing or dipping. Good luck! Diane On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote: just wondering if anyone had a FeLV baby with ringworm? Whimsy is not inside yet, but has started to yank his own fur out - he's got a few red spots suddenly that look similiar to scraped knees in people. I'm planning on doing a skin scrape per my vet's instructions but I'm concerned if a) the test takes time to send to a lab is ok to bring him in? b) I won't be able to bathe him / nor do the sulfar dips, so it would have to be oral meds c) can I treat him while he's outside for this? I can't risk our whole household being infected especially with two other immune supressed kitties. ugh, this throws a curve ball into the plan. This just started about 1 wk ago with lesions appearing about 3 days ago. I was hoping to get him back to the vet and inside over the next week. Thanks so much, these posts are so helpful and interesting. Shannon anyone else's experiences would be interesting to hear. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Diane Tyler Spenser's Legacy Animal Rescue www.SpensersLegacy.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] any advice
Jeanne - So sorry to hear about your baby not feeling good. I would get her in for some bloodwork ASAP. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 3/4/10, jeanne ogrady jobarbied...@yahoo.com wrote: From: jeanne ogrady jobarbied...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] any advice To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 2:07 PM HI MY CAT SCOOTER HAS FELINE LEUK. SHE IS STARTING TO STRUGGLE EATING ON AND OFF. ANY ADVISE ABOUT DRUGS TO BOOST THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. OR OTHER METHODS THAT ANYONE HAS TRIED. THANKS MUCH APPRECIATED. JEANNE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating - THANK YOU!!
Oh thank goodness. I am very happy for you. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com wrote: From: Avia Rauscher a...@rauscher.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice on annual re-testing and vaccinating - THANK YOU!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 3:21 PM I just wanted to say thanks for all of the advice. Horus and Blackie had their check-ups yesterday, and I am very happy to let you know that they are still FeLV negative. They got their FeLV boosters, and I feel so relieved to know that they are both still virus free. I didn't realize how worried I was until I got the test results! Thank you! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie Update
Maria - I am so sad to hear about Bernie, but glad you finally know what is going on without having had to put him through too much. I can tell he is so special to you my heart goes out to you Bernie. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Maria mian...@gmail.com wrote: From: Maria mian...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Bernie Update To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:53 PM I took Bernie to the vet this morning and did an x-ray. He has a large mass near his stomach/intestine. We have decided not to do chemo and have put him on some steroids and pain medication. He is still eating and purring which is good, but it will only get worse. We will probably put him to sleep Friday or Saturday. Sooner if it gets worse, but I want everyone to be able to be there if they can. For the record: Bernie - Diagnosed FelV+ at 7 months, diagnosed with uveitis at 1 year 7 months, diagnosed with lymphoma about 1 year 8 months. He is the most amazing cat I have ever had. The best personality and made me smile every day. I don't regret one vet bill or day I had with him. I want to thank everyone on this list for their support and knowledge. I really appreciate it and I think all of you are amazing. I will keep you and all your babies in my prayers. Thank you again, Maria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis
I'm so sorry, sounds like you have a lot of decisions to make. I agree on not putting them through too much. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Maria mian...@gmail.com wrote: From: Maria mian...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 1:28 PM Beth - The eye vet ophthalmologist briefly discussed that there is a small chance the lymphoma could just be in the eye and we could remove the eye. However, he thinks that if it is already in the eye, it is most likely somewhere else in the body. He would want me to do a full body scan to look for lymphoma somewhere else before doing the biopsy on the eye. Maybe I should go for a second opinion? When they do a full body scan, they look for thick areas of tissue. These areas are not necessarily lymphoma...esp in FelV+ cats, it could just be irritation in the intestine or stomach. They have to do a biopsy to make sure. So, potentially, if they find thick tissue, they could do a biopsy, it could be nothing, then i would still have to do a biopsy on the eye to find out if it is really lymphoma. Then remove the eye. I don't know if I want to put him through all of that. No real improvement today. Although he was very interested in the birdies outside this morning which really made me smile. Just trying to enjoy each day I have with him. Thanks, Maria Maria - Can they just remove the eye? Not sure if he is healthy enough, but I am taking in an FeLV cat next week that has what they think are cancerous polyps around his eye - not to mention he was severely abused he cannot see out of the eye anyway. They are removing the eye. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter!?www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ? --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Maria mian...@gmail.com wrote: From: Maria mian...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:37 PM I had a conversation with my primary vet this morning about Bernie and his Uveitis/possible lymphoma.? I'm not sure what to do. I'm frustrated, sad, angry and I feel like I'm running into walls everywhere.? It seems like there are never answers for these cats. It could be one thing, but that is a symptom of something else, we could do this test, but that might not tell us for sure what is wrong.? I keep going in circles and the bottom line still is my baby doesn't feel well, and I'm emotionally and financially spent. I want to do something to help him but I don't know what or what will work. His activity appears to be declining each day.? Still eating, but this morning he didn't eat his whole bowl of food.? To find out if it is lymphoma, we could do a biopsy on the eye, but its risky, and its a hard area to get a good sample.? We could go to an internist and have a scan done to see if there are any masses somewhere else in the body.? Even if there are, we would still have to do a biopsy to find out if it is lymphoma. His blood work 2 weeks ago was completely normal. I am continuing w/ steroid drops 3x a day. Apparently with Uveitis there isn't usually any pain associated with the eye... so she didn't recommend pain medication at this point.? I don't think he is in pain (cats can probably cover this up well though.), he doesn't wince or anything, but he is just not acting like himself. I guess we just take it day by day at this point but I feel helpless like I'm just letting him go.???Sorry for the rant, just needed to type to get my thoughts out.? Thanks. Maria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:33:24 -0800 (PST) From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: 535811.88786...@web36107.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Maria, Nothing really funny looking about Luigi's eye. It's almost kind of cool looking. He just has a ring around about 1/2 of his eye. It's down one side and down the other side and just looks like a coppery tone. My vet didn't recall noticing it before and called a specialist just to see if she should refer me. He started talking about how it could be all these horrible things and how we could remove the eye, etc. This cat has been with me for several years with no illness or odd behavior of any type so I'm definitely not considering anything like that. What if it's nothing? He runs around like a wild man and is certainly not in any discomfort that I can see. So anyway, I'm kind of worried, yet hopeful that it might be nothing. You would never think anything was strange about his eye looking at him but we all just wonder why this color
Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws has passed
Laura, I understand your frustration with people, but at least you had him for a little while he was loved cared for. So many don't even get that. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 2/17/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws has passed To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 9:33 PM I just wish I had known his history...it probably would have been too late anyway, but maybe we could have started him on something, anything, that would have given him a little more time. He was probably suffering for months - he was never taken to a vet until late last year, when he was neutered. Poor guy, he was the sweetest soul, so mellow, and he fit in so well with my others. I will miss him. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis
Maria - Can they just remove the eye? Not sure if he is healthy enough, but I am taking in an FeLV cat next week that has what they think are cancerous polyps around his eye - not to mention he was severely abused he cannot see out of the eye anyway. They are removing the eye. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Maria mian...@gmail.com wrote: From: Maria mian...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie - Uveitis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:37 PM I had a conversation with my primary vet this morning about Bernie and his Uveitis/possible lymphoma. I'm not sure what to do. I'm frustrated, sad, angry and I feel like I'm running into walls everywhere. It seems like there are never answers for these cats. It could be one thing, but that is a symptom of something else, we could do this test, but that might not tell us for sure what is wrong. I keep going in circles and the bottom line still is my baby doesn't feel well, and I'm emotionally and financially spent. I want to do something to help him but I don't know what or what will work. His activity appears to be declining each day. Still eating, but this morning he didn't eat his whole bowl of food. To find out if it is lymphoma, we could do a biopsy on the eye, but its risky, and its a hard area to get a good sample. We could go to an internist and have a scan done to see if there are any masses somewhere else in the body. Even if there are, we would still have to do a biopsy to find out if it is lymphoma. His blood work 2 weeks ago was completely normal. I am continuing w/ steroid drops 3x a day. Apparently with Uveitis there isn't usually any pain associated with the eye... so she didn't recommend pain medication at this point. I don't think he is in pain (cats can probably cover this up well though.), he doesn't wince or anything, but he is just not acting like himself. I guess we just take it day by day at this point but I feel helpless like I'm just letting him go. Sorry for the rant, just needed to type to get my thoughts out. Thanks. Maria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] A positive outlook/advice about FeLV
Mean Kitty Sparta inspires a more positive look at FeLV http://tinyurl.com/nngtcg Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] 2 FeLV kitties looking for homes
I know it is a long shot, but a fellow rescuer has just found out 2 kitties she has rescued are FeLV+. One she hand raised. My FeLV cat cat total has gone from 0-4 in the last 2 months, I cannot take any more. If anyone can take one or both, or know anyone who might be able to, let me know. They are located in Atlanta, GA, but she will transport anywhere she can confirm is a good home. She is going to have to make a decision quickly. She has no place to separate them, she has some elderly/special needs cats she does not feel it is safe to vaccinate. This lady has such a big heart has done so much to help kitties. This is breaking her heart. Thanks! Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] New/old member
Hi! It has been about 2 years since I had my last FeLV kitty - his name was Stamp - now I have been blessed with a new kitty named Miss Laces, who was found behind an abandoned house. I am also hopefully getting a foster FeLV kitty from the rescue I work with. His name is Sir Piglet. He was abused currently has medical issues, so he is at the shelter right now. I have put up a facebook page for him other FeLV kitties. I hope everyone will become his friend post pics/stories about their kitties, too. The FB page is Felv Cats. There is not much on there now, but I hope there will be soon. My goal is for people to see that they CAN keep FeLV kitties! Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Will Feral, thank you Diane
Thank you Diane. He had a nice last day, ate a little, begged for a piece of bread crust from my sandwich, batted it around a couple of times and then fetched it and dropped it at my feet so I would throw it. Sat with his brothers and sisters while they played with a string my mom dangled at them. He was so good I started panicking that it wasn't time, but once his little bit of energy was used up he lay back down on the steps and was breathing heavy, lots of side movement and seemed uncomfortable. I decided to keep our afternoon appointment. They left us alone for a few minutes in the exam room, I had his favorite nursing blanket on my lap, but he was nervous and wanted to jump down. I put my arm under the blanket and bunched it up into a little mound under his front paws, he lay right down, stretched his arms right out with all his toes extended and kneading away, and stated suckling face down in the material. It was like he was doing all his favorite things one last time to please me...When he was done the vet came in, we layed his blanket on the table, it was a very peaceful passing. His stuck his little tongue out at us as he passed, which seemed kind of appropriate. I am so grateful for all the kind people on this list who gave me such good advice when he was a kitten, I am going to stay a member. Thank you to everyone for your help and support over the past few years, and hugs to your furbabies, Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter, and Angel Will Feral On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.comwrote: Beth, I remember Will, and I'm so sorry he had to go to the Bridge. Hugs to you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Multi Cat House Protocol Hi, I'm not sure if you got a reply as my computer has been down for quite some time. I tested everyone Elisa and IFA initially, did a follow-up IFA several months later, and vaccinated the negatives. My plan was only to retest if a negative became sick, and this was supported by my vet. The chance that a healthy, adult, vaccinated negative will pick up the disease is small, so I felt the funds were better spent on other problems (2 of my negs have severe allergies). I haven't told the list yet, as I just got functioning Internet service again today , but I had to help my sweet positive boy leave this world on November 13th. I haven't been active on the list for some time now, but some folks here may remember Will Feral. Lymphoma finally got him, after 3.5 active, happy years. He is so terribly missed. I plan to test my 4 negatives as soon as finances permit, so that I can comfortably discontinue vaccinating them for FeLV. Best wishes, Beth On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Maria Ianiro mian...@gmail.com wrote: Hello - For those of you with multi-cat households, I was wondering what your vet has recommended in terms of re-testing for FELV in the negative cat. I have 1 positive and 1 negative that have been living together for over a year now. I have been advised to re-test the negative cat once a year for FELV and give the negative cat the FELV combo shot once a year. Thank you ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Multi Cat House Protocol
Hi, I'm not sure if you got a reply as my computer has been down for quite some time. I tested everyone Elisa and IFA initially, did a follow-up IFA several months later, and vaccinated the negatives. My plan was only to retest if a negative became sick, and this was supported by my vet. The chance that a healthy, adult, vaccinated negative will pick up the disease is small, so I felt the funds were better spent on other problems (2 of my negs have severe allergies). I haven't told the list yet, as I just got functioning Internet service again today , but I had to help my sweet positive boy leave this world on November 13th. I haven't been active on the list for some time now, but some folks here may remember Will Feral. Lymphoma finally got him, after 3.5 active, happy years. He is so terribly missed. I plan to test my 4 negatives as soon as finances permit, so that I can comfortably discontinue vaccinating them for FeLV. Best wishes, Beth On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Maria Ianiro mian...@gmail.com wrote: Hello - For those of you with multi-cat households, I was wondering what your vet has recommended in terms of re-testing for FELV in the negative cat. I have 1 positive and 1 negative that have been living together for over a year now. I have been advised to re-test the negative cat once a year for FELV and give the negative cat the FELV combo shot once a year. Thank you ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Supplementing the diet of a + cat in a multicat house-
My cats tend to be fattest on dry food. They are thinner, more playful and energetic on wet, and it is supposed to be a lot healthier for them (less chance of diabetes, etc.), although it is painfully expensive for 5 cats. Mine have severe allergy problems so I have to feed them Natural Balance Venison Green Pea. I think special snackies are a great idea... Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] ISO FeLV+
Saw this on Detroit area Craig's List last night, thought I'd pass it along... WANTED: FELV OR FIV POSITIVE KITTEN (Troy) -- Reply to: comm-1037835...@craigslist.orgcomm-1037835...@craigslist.org?subject=wanted:%20FELV%20OR%20FIV%20POSITIVE%20KITTEN%20(Troy) [? http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/replying_to_posts] Date: 2009-02-16, 9:27PM EST I am in search of an FELV or FIV positive kitten. Our cat died a few months ago and we miss him a lot :( Seeing we don't have any other cats now, I'd like to provide a home for one that may not have much of a chance otherwise. Preferably long haired, male, neutered, and would really prefer that he was declawed because my husband would probably fall over and die if he woke up one morning to a shredded couch. It's a long shot I'm sure, but if there's something out there, here I am. lol - Location: Troy - it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests PostingID: 1037835806 -- Copyright (c) 2009 craigslist, inc.terms of usehttp://www.craigslist.org/about/terms.of.use.html privacy policy http://www.craigslist.org/about/privacy_policyfeedback forum http://detroit.craigslist.org/forums/?forumID=8 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-another fip Q
Hi, me again, I just re-read some info on FIP at this site, and they are saying FCoV transmission is primarily through shared litterboxes, so even less chance for worry... http://marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
Hi Tonya, I lost one 12 week old to suspected wet FIP 2 years ago. She had a chronic URI and began having fevers that stopped responding to antibiotics. When her belly very first started to swell I noticed it, but the vet couldn't see it (or perhaps didn't want me to worry too much prematurely?) It quickly became obvious, (swayed, stuck out to the sides, hung way down, felt a bit like a water balloon) and was accompanied by anorexia and a very pronounced spine. From the first signs of swelling to the end was maybe 3 weeks or less? Hope sneakers is ok, if he's still eating good and no fevers then that's a good sign. Beth On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:49 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know... t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-another fip Q
Hi Laurie, If there are no other symptoms (fever, pronounced spine) then I wouldn't worry. Wet FIP normally progresses pretty quickly, from my experience and what I've read. When I lost my Alice to it it was maybe 3 weeks or less from first noticing symptoms to having her so swollen and unresponsive to meds that we had to pts. As you may already know, FIP isn't directly contagious from cat to cat. Instead, the usually harmless but very contagious feline corona virus, which is present in a majority of shelter and cattery cats, happens to mutate into deadly FIP within a specific cat. So it IF Tessa has FIP, your others likely already have FCoV, even just with limited casual contact, but unlikely that it would mutate into FIP in another of your cats. Some strains of FCoV do seem to make deadly mutations easier than others, and genetics may make some cats more susceptible than others. In my case, Alice's siblings are all still here at 2.5 years... Wouldn't worry too much, Beth On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Another FIP question. My foster cat Tessa has a large belly. She was spayed and vet said she was full of fat cells. She kind of sways when she walks. Another vet examined her and said her belly was firm and not spongy like an FIP belly would be. Any thoughts? She has mostly been isolated but is occasionally in areas in common with my cats but no direct cat to cat contact and no sharing of food or water bowls. She has urinated in their boxes a couple times. Would anyone here be concerned? Thanks Laurie et al -Original Message- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
I think it's called Rivalta's test? Beth On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a test which MC will probably remember the name of that can rule out FIP. Most vets do not know about it. If the cat does indeed have wet FIP, the prognosis is very poor and the time frame is short, but I do think a lot of vets use FIP as a diagnosis when they don't really know what is wrong. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
