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The doctor said she felt the one kidney was enlarged and firm. She got so stressed from the bloodwork that she was given oxygen for 5 minutes. They also gave her fluids and I brought a bag home to give her more every 3 days. By the time I got home, she had perked up and ate a small can of food. She seemed normal until the moment of death when she howled in pain and collapsed in my lap. Apparently the kidney problem had been going on longer than we knew and of coure, she did not act diffrent until the day she stopped eating and that is the day I took her to the vet. She had been loosing weight over the last year and we started her on kitten food to increase weight. I am afraid I missed something. The next time there is any weight loss, we will do a full workup and a more detailed blood work. And check the kidneys. With th beginning of seeing Annie, the vet began to do research on FELV and has learned that any abnormality in kidney size, shape and firmness and blood results is a sure sign of FELV at work. She said any thing that says kidney malfunction will be a sign that we concentrate on testing to find out what is going on. She had ordered the Doxy and is willing to do Winstrol and has a pharamist nearby who will compound anything we need. That is one step in the right direction. Annie died at 8:00 pm the night we went to the vet but at least she was at home, in my lap and had a few hours of feeling better. ROBERT CHAPELwrote: > I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days.. Has there been any change?? If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. but I am hoping not... Please let us know... BOb On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 06:27 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days.. Has there been any change?? If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. but I am hoping not... Please let us know... BOb On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 06:27 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You could add an immunosupportive supplement to his food. There are so many out there and I am not an expert on any of them unfortunately, and it doesn’t sound like your vet is either. You could try calling or e-mailing an integrative vet to see what brands they think are best, if you wanted to add this. It may or may not make a difference in the outcome, who knows, but it wouldn’t hurt and I would do it if I had it to do over again, the only reason I didn’t is because I was scared to death of any mineral or ingredient that might cause the slightest uti or crystals in Tucker, who another unremovable blockage would have meant death for, I gave him prescription cat food and distilled water and nothing else, until the cancer when it was too late for it to do much good. I also think you should have him tested, you are going to worry yourself either way, and what if there isn’t anything to worry about? I had a girlfriend worry her whole life about breast cancer because her mom and grandma died in their early forties from it. Finally when she turned 41 she came up with the courage to get a mammogram and the genetic testing, and guess what? No cancer no gene. She was too scared to look into it sooner so she could possibly catch it early or to take preventative measures, she is very lucky it turned out like it did. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Muzyka *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2016 10:12 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Thanks for all your comments. My invoice from the vet indicates that they tested her for FIV FHWT (570), viral infection/head worm disease & for GI parasites, analyses full & internal organ health. They did prescribe Onsior 6mg - 3 tablets, which I gave her half a tablet every couple of days to stimulate her appetite. When I returned for the second visit, they gave her mirtazapine 15 mg, fluids, subcutaneous - 300mls, cerenia injection (10mg/ml), famotidine injection and Loxicom (Meloxicam) injectable. I don't see the sense in testing Dolce since when Fiona was tested, she tested negative. He is an indoor cat who is well fed so I don't know what more I can do for his immune system other than keeping everything clean - food bowls & litter box. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter. I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive. They then sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems. Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking. I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet. She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately. They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once. She was shutting down and looked so sad. The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put her down. It broke my heart. I rescued her from the streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was negative. She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes. My vet tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected. He is in perfect health right now. The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is certain he would have it. From what I've been reading from the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected. They used to run and play together, but never did I see her bight him. I want to add that since I rescued her, she never was outside again. From what I've been reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease. Makes me think she had something else. I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years. I'd be interested in your thoughts. Mary Muzyka ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for all your comments. My invoice from the vet indicates that they tested her for FIV FHWT (570), viral infection/head worm disease & for GI parasites, analyses full & internal organ health. They did prescribe Onsior 6mg - 3 tablets, which I gave her half a tablet every couple of days to stimulate her appetite. When I returned for the second visit, they gave her mirtazapine 15 mg, fluids, subcutaneous - 300mls, cerenia injection (10mg/ml), famotidine injection and Loxicom (Meloxicam) injectable. I don't see the sense in testing Dolce since when Fiona was tested, she tested negative. He is an indoor cat who is well fed so I don't know what more I can do for his immune system other than keeping everything clean - food bowls & litter box. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mary Muzykawrote: > Hello, > > I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very > informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline > leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and > healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first > noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that > matter. I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within > an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive. They then > sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good > for her not having any other problems. Each day she got a little less > active and then stopped eating and drinking. I used a syringe to feed > and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet. > She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating > and drinking immediately. They also gave me a couple pills to give her > to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once. She was shutting down > and looked so sad. The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told > me it was time to put her down. It broke my heart. I rescued her from the > streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & > leukemia and she was negative. She has been living with my four year old > boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes. My vet > tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected. He is in perfect > health right now. The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him > because she is certain he would have it. From what I've been reading from > the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected. They used to > run and play together, but never did I see her bight him. I want to add > that since I rescued her, she never was outside again. From what I've been > reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease. Makes me think > she had something else. I don't have much faith in vets from my experience > over the years. I'd be interested in your thoughts. > > Mary Muzyka > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, but anemia is a condition It isn't necessarily caused by FELV. I've had cats with anemia who didn't have FELV, and if her kitty had FELV the bloodwork would not have come back right, unless her kitty wasn't tested for anemia, but anemia is one of the things all my vets have always checked on with bloodwork. I guess anemia isn't an infection, and neither is cancer, so I completely misstated that, but I still believe cats don't die OF FELV, they die of something else. As for the other kitty being pos, I just remembered that even cats who have tested pos and been housed with other pos cats can turn neg, it happens every once in a while. So definitely not good to assume the other kitty is pos. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > Kelley > > > > I don’t think that is necessarily accurate. When FeLV acts to shut down > the bone marrow, the cats usually die from severe anemia and/or internal > bleeding (very low platelets) etc. While I agree that the depression of > white cell production may allow for the introduction of opportunistic > infections, I don’t think that is necessarily the cause of death. With my > Zander, he wasn’t suffering from anything other than a profound lack of red > cells that meant that (a) his blood couldn’t circulate oxygen properly; (b) > he felt horrible and wouldn’t eat; (c) he was extremely fatigued by the > profound anemia. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Kelley S > *Sent:* June-09-16 5:01 PM > *To:* felvtalk > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) > > > > I'd look into a different vet, for starters. Cats don't die of FELV, they > die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems. If the > blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated? Chances are > very good Dolce does NOT have FELV. Many people here mix positive and > negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are > vaccinated against FELV. I think it is just nutty to say not to even test > him. > > > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very > informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline > leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and > healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first > noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that > matter. I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within > an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive. They then > sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good > for her not having any other problems. Each day she got a little less > active and then stopped eating and drinking. I used a syringe to feed > and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet. > She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating > and drinking immediately. They also gave me a couple pills to give her > to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once. She was shutting down > and looked so sad. The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told > me it was time to put her down. It broke my heart. I rescued her from the > streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & > leukemia and she was negative. She has been living with my four year old > boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes. My vet > tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected. He is in perfect > health right now. The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him > because she is certain he would have it. From what I've been reading from > the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected. They used to > run and play together, but never did I see her bight him. I want to add > that since I rescued her, she never was outside again. From what I've been > reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease. Makes me think > she had something else. I don't have much faith in vets from my experience > over the years. I'd be interested in your thoughts. > > > > Mary Muzyka > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Kelley I don’t think that is necessarily accurate. When FeLV acts to shut down the bone marrow, the cats usually die from severe anemia and/or internal bleeding (very low platelets) etc. While I agree that the depression of white cell production may allow for the introduction of opportunistic infections, I don’t think that is necessarily the cause of death. With my Zander, he wasn’t suffering from anything other than a profound lack of red cells that meant that (a) his blood couldn’t circulate oxygen properly; (b) he felt horrible and wouldn’t eat; (c) he was extremely fatigued by the profound anemia. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: June-09-16 5:01 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I'd look into a different vet, for starters. Cats don't die of FELV, they die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems. If the blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated? Chances are very good Dolce does NOT have FELV. Many people here mix positive and negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are vaccinated against FELV. I think it is just nutty to say not to even test him. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com<mailto:mary.muz...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello, I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter. I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive. They then sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems. Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking. I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet. She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately. They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once. She was shutting down and looked so sad. The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put her down. It broke my heart. I rescued her from the streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was negative. She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes. My vet tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected. He is in perfect health right now. The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is certain he would have it. From what I've been reading from the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected. They used to run and play together, but never did I see her bight him. I want to add that since I rescued her, she never was outside again. From what I've been reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease. Makes me think she had something else. I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years. I'd be interested in your thoughts. Mary Muzyka ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think it is pretty odd to have good bloodwork if they have lymphoma. I had a kitty with lymphoma and he had non regenerative anemia and some other abnormalities but you are right, it isn't necessarily something that would show up on bloodwork. The statement that she is 99% sure the other kitty has it and not to even test is still way out of whack in my opinion. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: > Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was > Lymphoma that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the > blood work. > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Kelley S > *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM > *To:* felvtalk > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) > > > > I'd look into a different vet, for starters. Cats don't die of FELV, they > die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems. If the > blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated? Chances are > very good Dolce does NOT have FELV. Many people here mix positive and > negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are > vaccinated against FELV. I think it is just nutty to say not to even test > him. > > > > On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very > informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline > leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and > healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first > noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that > matter. I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within > an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive. They then > sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good > for her not having any other problems. Each day she got a little less > active and then stopped eating and drinking. I used a syringe to feed > and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet. > She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating > and drinking immediately. They also gave me a couple pills to give her > to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once. She was shutting down > and looked so sad. The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told > me it was time to put her down. It broke my heart. I rescued her from the > streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & > leukemia and she was negative. She has been living with my four year old > boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes. My vet > tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected. He is in perfect > health right now. The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him > because she is certain he would have it. From what I've been reading from > the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected. They used to > run and play together, but never did I see her bight him. I want to add > that since I rescued her, she never was outside again. From what I've been > reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease. Makes me think > she had something else. I don't have much faith in vets from my experience > over the years. I'd be interested in your thoughts. > > > > Mary Muzyka > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was Lymphoma that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the blood work. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley S *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM *To:* felvtalk *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I'd look into a different vet, for starters. Cats don't die of FELV, they die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems. If the blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated? Chances are very good Dolce does NOT have FELV. Many people here mix positive and negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are vaccinated against FELV. I think it is just nutty to say not to even test him. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote: Hello, I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter. I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive. They then sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems. Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking. I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet. She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately. They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once. She was shutting down and looked so sad. The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put her down. It broke my heart. I rescued her from the streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was negative. She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes. My vet tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected. He is in perfect health right now. The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is certain he would have it. From what I've been reading from the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected. They used to run and play together, but never did I see her bight him. I want to add that since I rescued her, she never was outside again. From what I've been reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease. Makes me think she had something else. I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years. I'd be interested in your thoughts. Mary Muzyka ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'd look into a different vet, for starters. Cats don't die of FELV, they die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems. If the blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated? Chances are very good Dolce does NOT have FELV. Many people here mix positive and negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are vaccinated against FELV. I think it is just nutty to say not to even test him. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzykawrote: > Hello, > > I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very > informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline > leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and > healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first > noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that > matter. I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within > an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive. They then > sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good > for her not having any other problems. Each day she got a little less > active and then stopped eating and drinking. I used a syringe to feed > and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet. > She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating > and drinking immediately. They also gave me a couple pills to give her > to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once. She was shutting down > and looked so sad. The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told > me it was time to put her down. It broke my heart. I rescued her from the > streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & > leukemia and she was negative. She has been living with my four year old > boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes. My vet > tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected. He is in perfect > health right now. The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him > because she is certain he would have it. From what I've been reading from > the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected. They used to > run and play together, but never did I see her bight him. I want to add > that since I rescued her, she never was outside again. From what I've been > reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease. Makes me think > she had something else. I don't have much faith in vets from my experience > over the years. I'd be interested in your thoughts. > > Mary Muzyka > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I would probably get him tested, just so you could maybe do something preventative for his immune system to keep him strong, and also to carefully monitor and act at the first sign of an infection so you have a better chance of fighting it before it gets bad. It sounds like exactly what happened with my Tucker and he had cancer, loss of appetite, less active… His was in his chest though and we knew it because he was regurgitating his food and we did an x-ray and found the mass. Lymphoma is very common among young FELV cats and can go to many different places in the body. I am so very sorry about Fiona, it is so heartbreaking to lose them so young, and to see them go through such a rapid decline, Tucker lasted a little over a month and a half but he was on steroids without those he would have gone just as quickly, it was still a very sad time for me knowing his time was so limited, and knowing he didn’t feel as good and wasn’t as happy as he was before. Tucker was about the same age. I am sending prayers your way that Dolce did not get it. People have had them living together and their other cats did not get it so there is hope. Also I think it is better if they come into contact with it when they are older rather than when they are kittens as their immune systems might be strong enough to fight it off and eliminate it before it can get into the marrow and stick around forever. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Muzyka *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:48 PM *To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject) Hello, I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter. I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive. They then sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems. Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking. I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet. She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately. They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once. She was shutting down and looked so sad. The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put her down. It broke my heart. I rescued her from the streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was negative. She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes. My vet tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected. He is in perfect health right now. The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is certain he would have it. From what I've been reading from the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected. They used to run and play together, but never did I see her bight him. I want to add that since I rescued her, she never was outside again. From what I've been reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease. Makes me think she had something else. I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years. I'd be interested in your thoughts. Mary Muzyka ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Mary If Fiona died from FeLV, I cannot imagine that you would have gotten back good blood results, although your email wasn’t clear regarding exactly what tests were run. If you provide some more info, along with the results, I might be able to give you some feedback. Sure does sound suspicious to blame FeLV, based on the info you have provided. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Mary Muzyka Sent: June-09-16 3:48 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Hello, I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter. I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive. They then sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems. Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking. I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet. She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately. They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once. She was shutting down and looked so sad. The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put her down. It broke my heart. I rescued her from the streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was negative. She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes. My vet tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected. He is in perfect health right now. The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is certain he would have it. From what I've been reading from the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected. They used to run and play together, but never did I see her bight him. I want to add that since I rescued her, she never was outside again. From what I've been reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease. Makes me think she had something else. I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years. I'd be interested in your thoughts. Mary Muzyka ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hello, I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative. I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia. She was gone within two weeks. She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period. I first noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter. I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive. They then sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems. Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking. I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet. She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately. They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once. She was shutting down and looked so sad. The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put her down. It broke my heart. I rescued her from the streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was negative. She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes. My vet tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected. He is in perfect health right now. The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is certain he would have it. From what I've been reading from the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected. They used to run and play together, but never did I see her bight him. I want to add that since I rescued her, she never was outside again. From what I've been reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease. Makes me think she had something else. I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years. I'd be interested in your thoughts. Mary Muzyka ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I am so sorry you lost William, but I was confused by your post. Are you leaving the FelV group or looking for another FelV cat? I have a FelV sanctuary and all my positive cats are in good health now, but of course this could change. I would love it if they could have a real home. If you are looking for a high needs cat I have several. Where are you located. Lorrie On 07-01, Patricia Romagna wrote: Hi, I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions. My cat, William (as in Shakespeare) ran away last month. I just hope that he found a loving family. When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just in case he returned home. I live in a townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the house before. I will probably get another high needs cat. I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia. Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants. Wishing all of the best to the members of the group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Patricia - Have you put up flyers around your complex? I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food let all the neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him we found he was living in a crack between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him. out. It took 2 weeks to get him back. I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to keep looking. She said cats rarely ever go far. I hope you find your baby. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Hi, I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions. My cat, William (as in Shakespeare) ran away last month. I just hope that he found a loving family. When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just in case he returned home. I live in a townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the house before. I will probably get another high needs cat. I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia. Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants. Wishing all of the best to the members of the group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat passing away or wandering away is not a good reason to leave this list. At the present time I don't have any FeLv+ cats living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But I have not quit the list because new information is always cropping up and it's good to know it for the future. Also, these people feel like friends, as well as other issues are always discussed that effect cats in general. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Patricia - Have you put up flyers around your complex? I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food let all the neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him we found he was living in a crack between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him. out. It took 2 weeks to get him back. I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to keep looking. She said cats rarely ever go far. I hope you find your baby. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Hi, I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions. My cat, William (as in Shakespeare) ran away last month. I just hope that he found a loving family. When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just in case he returned home. I live in a townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the house before. I will probably get another high needs cat. I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia. Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants. Wishing all of the best to the members of the group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Shali was gone for 6 weeks and then turned up acting like nothing wrong had happened. Did you put up posters? Will pray that he returns safe and sound. Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions. My cat, William (as in Shakespeare) ran away last month. I just hope that he found a loving family. When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just in case he returned home. I live in a townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the house before. I will probably get another high needs cat. I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia. Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants. Wishing all of the best to the members of the group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My FeLV cat passed away, but I am still here because I always learn a lot of things from this list, and I know it is also a place where I can seek help if I get into FeLV situation again. Patricia, I am sorry about William but have you also checked local shelters/animal control nearby? Sometimes cat goes away for awhile may beg food from households again, and ends up being turned to shelters. And I would urge you to check shelters and animal control even on a daily basis because sadly many shelters or animal control would euthanize FeLV + cats without waiting period, except for cats with microchips. If William is micro-chipped, you may ask your vet to help you find an access to the microchip database, even if you forget to pay the annual fee Hope William finds his way home soon, Catherine On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Shali was gone for 6 weeks and then turned up acting like nothing wrong had happened. Did you put up posters? Will pray that he returns safe and sound. Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net wrote: Hi, I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions. My cat, William (as in Shakespeare) ran away last month. I just hope that he found a loving family. When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just in case he returned home. I live in a townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the house before. I will probably get another high needs cat. I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia. Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants. Wishing all of the best to the members of the group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The cat has only been lost a month - please do not give up! Odds are he has not gone far. I found my Lee after 3.5 months lost. I helped a rescue find a young kitten lost on the side of a road by acres and acres of woods with most saying she would have been eaten by coyotes ... But we got her back safe after a month, and saved another kitten to boot. My favorite quote from the various lost pet sites... The cat's job is to survive; your job is to find the cat! Do not give up, do not listen to pessimists. Keep checking the shelters and vets, keep putting up posters, etc. Kg On Tuesday, July 2, 2013, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I am so sorry you lost William, but I was confused by your post. Are you leaving the FelV group or looking for another FelV cat? I have a FelV sanctuary and all my positive cats are in good health now, but of course this could change. I would love it if they could have a real home. If you are looking for a high needs cat I have several. Where are you located. Lorrie On 07-01, Patricia Romagna wrote: Hi, I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions. My cat, William (as in Shakespeare) ran away last month. I just hope that he found a loving family. When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just in case he returned home. I live in a townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the house before. I will probably get another high needs cat. I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia. Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants. Wishing all of the best to the members of the group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Also, just because your condos all look alike, that doesn't mean William will be confused. He would know your place by the scent of you that's around it. You could put out a piece of clothing you have worn, maybe even perspired in, to show him the way home. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:01 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Patricia - Have you put up flyers around your complex? I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food let all the neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him we found he was living in a crack between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him. out. It took 2 weeks to get him back. I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to keep looking. She said cats rarely ever go far. I hope you find your baby. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Hi, I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions. My cat, William (as in Shakespeare) ran away last month. I just hope that he found a loving family. When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just in case he returned home. I live in a townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the house before. I will probably get another high needs cat. I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia. Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants. Wishing all of the best to the members of the group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions. My cat, William (as in Shakespeare) ran away last month. I just hope that he found a loving family. When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just in case he returned home. I live in a townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the house before. I will probably get another high needs cat. I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia. Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants. Wishing all of the best to the members of the group.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Folks, My kitty Rumi was just diagnosed with Felv and Fiv today. He had been treated for a severe anemaia over the past few weeks (transfusions and antibiotics + pred) and as recently as 3 weeks ago was FIV and Felv negative on blood samples. His PCV went from 8 to 26 today - a great recovery. My daughter an I noticed some swollen lymph nodes yesterday and when we showed them to the vets today they said that his prognosis is grave given that we now know he is Felv positve. They beleive there is probably an underlying fast growing cancer responsible for the nodes and have said evenif they find it and treat with chemo he will only have 4 or 5 months at best ( they said take the weekend to think about it). So hard to beleive when you see him running around and purring in your lap and gaining weight. We are pretty broken up about it - he is an awesome 2 year old cat that we got from a shelter only a month ago. Anyone have experiences that are similar or other thoughts? thanks, Sally___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Not sure I understand. He was neg for both FIV n FELV 3 weeks ago but is positive now? Do you know what tests were run-possibilities are Elissa (snap test done in office) and IFA (blood work sent out). Swollen lymph nodes could be a lot of things. particularly if he's running around and eating and gaining weight! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Dwyer Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:54 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Hi Folks, My kitty Rumi was just diagnosed with Felv and Fiv today. He had been treated for a severe anemaia over the past few weeks (transfusions and antibiotics + pred) and as recently as 3 weeks ago was FIV and Felv negative on blood samples. His PCV went from 8 to 26 today - a great recovery. My daughter an I noticed some swollen lymph nodes yesterday and when we showed them to the vets today they said that his prognosis is grave given that we now know he is Felv positve. They beleive there is probably an underlying fast growing cancer responsible for the nodes and have said evenif they find it and treat with chemo he will only have 4 or 5 months at best ( they said take the weekend to think about it). So hard to beleive when you see him running around and purring in your lap and gaining weight. We are pretty broken up about it - he is an awesome 2 year old cat that we got from a shelter only a month ago. Anyone have experiences that are similar or other thoughts? thanks, Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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RE: water bowls, mine don't swim in them, they pat the water and throw it out, run or slide into bowl . I hve fountain in kitchen surrounded by sponge to soak up the spills. i thought it was leaking so bought a new one. took it out on deck to test it. it didn't leak. man time someone slide into new one and knocked half of th water out. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Hey this subject line has been going on for a month. We need to change the subject to reflect new topics. On 12-12, Kathryn Green wrote: Sounds strange but I have found that industrial strength double sided Velcro works great for keeping things like scratch posts, dishes. (especially water dishes they like to swim in), toys that require energetic search/play and.litter boxes, in place on laminate, hardwood, linoleum floors. Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hey this subject line has been going on for a month. We need to change the subject to reflect new topics. On 12-12, Kathryn Green wrote: Sounds strange but I have found that industrial strength double sided Velcro works great for keeping things like scratch posts, dishes. (especially water dishes they like to swim in), toys that require energetic search/play and.litter boxes, in place on laminate, hardwood, linoleum floors. Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Munchkin, a 5 year old cat I adopted from a neighbor, lived with me for 20 years. He was neutered before he got either FeLv or FIV fortunately. At least the neighbor had done that although Munchkin was allowed to roam the neighborhood. He was a large, grey with an attitude and was noticed and admired by everyone. Munchkin didn't get into biting fights even though he was an outside cat. I finally retired him to my cat enclosure for the last 5 years of his life. Munchkin had many visitors in his retirement home. Every so often a neighbor would pass by and ask if Munchkin was still with me and I would invite the person into the back yard to the cat enclosure where Munchkin would receive his guest with pride and diplomacy. When he was around 24+ his kidneys began to fail and at 25 he passed away. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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People who hunt for the trophy are wrong. Those who hunt to help feed their family are right. Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear and do what they want. I am desperate enough this year to vote for one of my cats - write in vote. Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree with you Lee, I don't see any issue with hunting. The Lord replied,‘The times when you have seen only one set of footprints in the sand, is when I carried you MS From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) People who hunt for the trophy are wrong. Those who hunt to help feed their family are right. Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear and do what they want. I am desperate enough this year to vote for one of my cats - write in vote. Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's true about declawing...people NEVER knew how awful it was, they thought it's like a manicure! Vets who suggest it are in it to make money, that's all! Most of them, I can guarantee, have no idea (or don't care to know) about side effects, emotional and physical. 1) people abandon declawed cats because of urinating outside the litter box, 2) cats become totally unpredictable/bite, and 3) going into deep depression. So, when people tell me that their cats were absolutely normal, how would they know that? What is normal? I've had a few declawed rescues - each one, without fail, peed everywhere. I had to get piddle pants for them! One would bite for absolutely no reason (that I saw), but he had a good reason! Yes, there are some cats that seem not to be affected, at least outwardly, and people even allow them to go outside, which it the worst thing to do. A friend declawed her two cats when she adopted a baby. Both cats bit the baby really hard when their tails or ears were pulled, and guess what happened to the cats? -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) But isn't it the different opinions and even judgementalism that sparks new ideas, makes people think? No, we should not get nasty, but especially declawing, that is so detrimental to the cat. Isn't it better to find a solution for the clawing on furniture, find out why the cat is doing it. Then we can corrrect the situation. One thing I have learned thru the years is that most BAD cat behavior is caused by their people's actions or lack of understanding. Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: I think yall misunderstand. I don't care about off topic posts and we used to talk about everything under the sun. It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has been creeping in for a long, long time. Declawing I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2 parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian. Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument, which is kind of my point about judgement. And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord. More judgement. I hate fighting and judging. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting, but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.I t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.) I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be redirected.** ** Cindy** *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley S *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. *** * On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Lee Evans *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject
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I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.comwrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. ** ** *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Lee Evans *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) ** ** Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. ** ** *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!* ** ** -- *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject) ** ** This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors just because we go off-topic once in a while? It usually happens when no one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's nothing but FeLV issues. I belong to several groups, and this often happens in a lull. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+ cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I was told, because there are treatments. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors just because we go off-topic once in a while? It usually happens when no one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's nothing but FeLV issues. I belong to several groups, and this often happens in a lull. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
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I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting, but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key. I’d hate to see hurt feelings among a group of people who are united by a common concern for FeLV+ cats. But I think that for the most part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.) I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. I do rescue and joined this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be redirected. Cindy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think yall misunderstand. I don't care about off topic posts and we used to talk about everything under the sun. It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has been creeping in for a long, long time. Declawing I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2 parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian. Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument, which is kind of my point about judgement. And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord. More judgement. I hate fighting and judging. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting, but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.I t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.) I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be redirected.** ** Cindy** *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley S *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. *** * On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Lee Evans *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!* -- *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
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This group got me thru.that blind panic when my tucson was diagnosed w felv. And I know irs helped sooo many people! Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+ cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I was told, because there are treatments. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors just because we go off-topic once in a while? It usually happens when no one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's nothing but FeLV issues. I belong to several groups, and this often happens in a lull. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place
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In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the vet emergency clinic. So if we wander around the hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry. We can switch in a moment. I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when needed. It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be. If I lose my Social Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal Control in a city where there are cat limits. Even though I still work and have an online job, I would be in dire straits. So it is very important to my cats who I vote for. And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a problem for me also. If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside cats and my peacock are in danger. I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going offtopic is almost inevitable when you're on a specialized list like this. I think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with, and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47% they're not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need people in government who are interested in reaching us. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the vet emergency clinic. So if we wander around the hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry. We can switch in a moment. I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when needed. It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be. If I lose my Social Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal Control in a city where there are cat limits. Even though I still work and have an online job, I would be in dire straits. So it is very important to my cats who I vote for. And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a problem for me also. If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside cats and my peacock are in danger. I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree, they have been very civil! Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going offtopic is almost inevitable when you're on a specialized list like this. I think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with, and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47% they're not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need people in government who are interested in reaching us. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the vet emergency clinic. So if we wander around the hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry. We can switch in a moment. I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when needed. It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be. If I lose my Social Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal Control in a city where there are cat limits. Even though I still work and have an online job, I would be in dire straits. So it is very important to my cats who I vote for. And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a problem for me also. If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside cats and my peacock are in danger. I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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yOU ARE RIGHT. Everything we do concerns our ability to care for ourselves and our cats. I was elieved when I got my electric bill today, only $66.00. It was not too high this summer as I am in the woods and get a good breeze, but I am afraid we are going to have a winter like our summer and the heat bill will go sky high. Looking for a way to earn extra $$ so can pay property taxes and insurance on house,car and health. These are the budget busters. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the vet emergency clinic. So if we wander around the hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry. We can switch in a moment. I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when needed. It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be. If I lose my Social Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal Control in a city where there are cat limits. Even though I still work and have an online job, I would be in dire straits. So it is very important to my cats who I vote for. And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a problem for me also. If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside cats and my peacock are in danger. I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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When I started with the group, I got so many replys to my HELP cry that I lost my fear of this disease. So much positive information from people who know it from experience, not what they have read. THANK YOU to everyone for giving me the courage to keep my girls and giving myself and them a chance at life and love that never would have been had I euthanized them. Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: This group got me thru.that blind panic when my tucson was diagnosed w felv. And I know irs helped sooo many people! Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+ cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I was told, because there are treatments. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors just because we go off-topic once in a while? It usually happens when no one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's nothing but FeLV issues. I belong to several groups, and this often happens in a lull. Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil
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But isn't it the different opinions and even judgementalism that sparks new ideas, makes people think? No, we should not get nasty, but especially declawing, that is so detrimental to the cat. Isn't it better to find a solution for the clawing on furniture, find out why the cat is doing it. Then we can corrrect the situation. One thing I have learned thru the years is that most BAD cat behavior is caused by their people's actions or lack of understanding. Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: I think yall misunderstand. I don't care about off topic posts and we used to talk about everything under the sun. It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has been creeping in for a long, long time. Declawing I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2 parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian. Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument, which is kind of my point about judgement. And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord. More judgement. I hate fighting and judging. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting, but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.I t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.) I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be redirected.** ** Cindy** *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley S *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. *** * On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Lee Evans *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!* -- *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full
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One thing I have heard that was negative, was about vets who want to put cats down because of FELV. i think many of them just are not up to date and sometimes they are afraid to try something new/different. If a vet says put them down, I just don't go back to him/her and look for someone who is willing to try . If I want to spend the money, then let me. If I get too far down the self sacrificing look what I am doing for my cat road then the doctor needs to set me straight. My vet will do this for me. If he thinks I am getting carried away, he gently asks me if I am doing it for myself or the cat. That makes me think . That is one of the reasons he is there, to help me think straight. We all need other's opinions to help us in making decisions sometimes and sometimes those opinions may seem a bit harsh, but necessary. Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.comwrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. ** ** *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Lee Evans *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) ** ** Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. ** ** *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!* ** ** -- *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject) ** ** This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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There's times when there is no activity. Be thankful for less email :) Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: McKenna's mckennas...@power-net.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) These are the first I’ve gotten in over 2 weeks. I’m guessing I’m still on the list then. Melissa L. McKenna From: GRAS Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I got this one, and yes, there was correspondence this week – but I can’t tell you if you’re on the list or not - Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Good afternoon, I haven’t received any emails from the group in over a week. Am I still on the mailing list: My email is: caug...@daytonastate.edu Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2179 / Virus Database: 2425/5082 - Release Date: 06/20/12 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good afternoon, I haven't received any emails from the group in over a week. Am I still on the mailing list: My email is: caug...@daytonastate.edumailto:caug...@daytonastate.edu Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I got this one, and yes, there was correspondence this week - but I can't tell you if you're on the list or not - Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Good afternoon, I haven't received any emails from the group in over a week. Am I still on the mailing list: My email is: caug...@daytonastate.edu Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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These are the first I’ve gotten in over 2 weeks. I’m guessing I’m still on the list then. Melissa L. McKenna From: GRAS Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I got this one, and yes, there was correspondence this week – but I can’t tell you if you’re on the list or not - Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Good afternoon, I haven’t received any emails from the group in over a week. Am I still on the mailing list: My email is: caug...@daytonastate.edu Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2179 / Virus Database: 2425/5082 - Release Date: 06/20/12 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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A lovely story. I know how you both felt when Rheis dissappeared. Sometimes one of my babies stays out longer than the others and I become a basket case. Then they show up at the door, meowing (demanding) to get in. Or sometimes they come up behind me and quietly sit, waiting for me to turn and discover them. I say I am going to do all kinds of things to them when they finally come home, but I just pick them up and love them to pieces. czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: Jean Feraca of WI public radio uses a word unremembered by me which describes people unknown to each other involved in a work on behalf of God. The recent Purina Rally to Rescue magazine featured an article Loved and Found about volunteers using animal allies to find strayed beloveds. with that . . . Rheis, a petite, long-haired talkative tortie had lived outside for some months. Sherry fed this cat who had arrived in the rough neighborhood by unknown means. Peggy Satterwhite of Vance County SPCA and I trapped this likely-to-be pregnant cat on March 5. Rheis came home with me. Rheis went to SNAP - NC and was aborted and spayed; we visited the vet, visited Sherry who was certain she did not want Rheis as a dependent, and visited the Wake County SPCA who put Rheis on their waiting list for their adoption center. Rheis lives with us in a one bedroom apartment - - separated for health reasons - - from the heart of the home i.e Scrumptious and Mama and Pookashay and Shallie Marie and Luscious. There is usually a temporary, non-paying feline house guest in what seems to be a convalescent center. Karin who lives in the same apartment building as we but on the back side and above ground level wanted Rheis to meet Toby. Toby, her 14 year-old rescue, might be willing to have an additional housemate. Karin picked up Rheis Saturday afternoon. No fur flew. I went up late in the afternoon to pick up Rheis before Karin left for mass. Rheis wanted no part of being caught. I left and revisited after Karin's return. Rheis was much more social now. She moved back and forth from the cat-safe patio where Toby was hanging out. She allowed herself to be petted. The revised plan was that Rheis would spend the night. She had been sharing food and the litter box. 11:17 p.m. call from Karin. Rheis had exited the patio to the ground. I dressed and went to . . .Karin had spoken to a visitor who went for a flashlight. (the vistior called me by name, recalling an incident with a kitten at the dialysis center). The visitor saw eyes staring back at her from the dark woods. Karin and the visitor went into the woods. Harold and James, the outside ferals, knew something was going on and monitored the activities. Toby was talking from the patio. Rheis had shown herself to be tame with a big motor. She lived in a double cage unreachable to her housemates and at night in the bathroom. No Rheis. I went home and turned out my heart. Yahmuna (FIV+) and I went to bed. I pondered what I was going to say to the SPCA and search strategy for Sunday. 12:46 p.m. I heard a meow at the door and opened to see Rheis and Mama. I put Yahmuna into her bedroom and went back and opened the door and Rheis came in. I called Karin. Rheis had never been outdoors at my home . . . had lived the free life of an outdoor cat. HOW AND WHY? Karin is a woman of great faith. cz ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Jean Feraca of WI public radio uses a word unremembered by me which describes people unknown to each other involved in a work on behalf of God. The recent Purina Rally to Rescue magazine featured an article Loved and Found about volunteers using animal allies to find strayed beloveds. with that . . . Rheis, a petite, long-haired talkative tortie had lived outside for some months. Sherry fed this cat who had arrived in the rough neighborhood by unknown means. Peggy Satterwhite of Vance County SPCA and I trapped this likely-to-be pregnant cat on March 5. Rheis came home with me. Rheis went to SNAP - NC and was aborted and spayed; we visited the vet, visited Sherry who was certain she did not want Rheis as a dependent, and visited the Wake County SPCA who put Rheis on their waiting list for their adoption center. Rheis lives with us in a one bedroom apartment - - separated for health reasons - - from the heart of the home i.e Scrumptious and Mama and Pookashay and Shallie Marie and Luscious. There is usually a temporary, non-paying feline house guest in what seems to be a convalescent center. Karin who lives in the same apartment building as we but on the back side and above ground level wanted Rheis to meet Toby. Toby, her 14 year-old rescue, might be willing to have an additional housemate. Karin picked up Rheis Saturday afternoon. No fur flew. I went up late in the afternoon to pick up Rheis before Karin left for mass. Rheis wanted no part of being caught. I left and revisited after Karin's return. Rheis was much more social now. She moved back and forth from the cat-safe patio where Toby was hanging out. She allowed herself to be petted. The revised plan was that Rheis would spend the night. She had been sharing food and the litter box. 11:17 p.m. call from Karin. Rheis had exited the patio to the ground. I dressed and went to . . .Karin had spoken to a visitor who went for a flashlight. (the vistior called me by name, recalling an incident with a kitten at the dialysis center). The visitor saw eyes staring back at her from the dark woods. Karin and the visitor went into the woods. Harold and James, the outside ferals, knew something was going on and monitored the activities. Toby was talking from the patio. Rheis had shown herself to be tame with a big motor. She lived in a double cage unreachable to her housemates and at night in the bathroom. No Rheis. I went home and turned out my heart. Yahmuna (FIV+) and I went to bed. I pondered what I was going to say to the SPCA and search strategy for Sunday. 12:46 p.m. I heard a meow at the door and opened to see Rheis and Mama. I put Yahmuna into her bedroom and went back and opened the door and Rheis came in. I called Karin. Rheis had never been outdoors at my home . . . had lived the free life of an outdoor cat. HOW AND WHY? Karin is a woman of great faith. cz ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My six year old Siamese cat, Oliver tested positive for the leukemia virus back in December. He's been doing great, other than having an eye infection a few weeks back, which cleared up pretty well. I have noticed that there is a ring of gray hair around the eye that had the infection. Has anyone else had that happen after an eye infection? So weird. My vet has never seen that happen. Oliver did have a blood panel done two weeks ago as he is due for a dental next week. All of the values, especially the ones that related to leukemia virus were great. Thanks, Holly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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JUST A GUESS, did the infection affect the hair follicles? Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com wrote: My six year old Siamese cat, Oliver tested positive for the leukemia virus back in December. He's been doing great, other than having an eye infection a few weeks back, which cleared up pretty well. I have noticed that there is a ring of gray hair around the eye that had the infection. Has anyone else had that happen after an eye infection? So weird. My vet has never seen that happen. Oliver did have a blood panel done two weeks ago as he is due for a dental next week. All of the values, especially the ones that related to leukemia virus were great. Thanks, Holly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Oh, perhaps, thanks for that. And I can't believe that I forgot to put a subject. -Original Message- From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2012 9:46 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) JUST A GUESS, did the infection affect the hair follicles? Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com wrote: My six year old Siamese cat, Oliver tested positive for the leukemia virus back in December. He's been doing great, other than having an eye infection a few weeks back, which cleared up pretty well. I have noticed that there is a ring of gray hair around the eye that had the infection. Has anyone else had that happen after an eye infection? So weird. My vet has never seen that happen. Oliver did have a blood panel done two weeks ago as he is due for a dental next week. All of the values, especially the ones that related to leukemia virus were great. Thanks, Holly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amen to that. Thank God I have an enlightened vet. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, euthanize your vet. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com wrote: i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice for me thank you tina an kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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my old vet said same thing with a 4 month old tigger... tigger passed in nov, 1 month shy of his 5th birthday. thats why i got a new vet. tigger, 12/07-11/11 rip buddy From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Amen to that. Thank God I have an enlightened vet. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, euthanize your vet. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com wrote: i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice for me thank you tina an kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Take him to another vet ASAP. He may have a treatable condition, not related to FeLV. Is he lethargic? Are his gums pink? Sounds like they looked at nothing once the saw he was positive. I've had many positives with various illnesses that they have gotten over because I had a vet that looked past the FeLV status. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:34 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice for me thank you tina an kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree with Beth - change vets immediately..this vet ought to be euthanized! If the cat has a fever, and it's also FeLV+, he needs antibiotics and vitamin supplements in injection form ASAP If the cat is vomiting, it could be many, many things.get another vet, because yours doesn't seem to know anything.what would he do with the same symptoms if the cat were NOT FeLV+ My vet is just treating our feral FIV+ cat that has a huge abscess on his ear, and he's getting injectable antibiotics right now, as well as having his ear treated. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Take him to another vet ASAP. He may have a treatable condition, not related to FeLV. Is he lethargic? Are his gums pink? Sounds like they looked at nothing once the saw he was positive. I've had many positives with various illnesses that they have gotten over because I had a vet that looked past the FeLV status. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:34 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice for me thank you tina an kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org attachment: ~WRD000.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree, euthanize your vet. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com wrote: i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice for me thank you tina an kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice for me thank you tina an kids___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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No - don't give up on him. It's too early to make any decisions. Just because the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he will stay that way. The test they do in the office is a first step. An indicator that further testing is required. That's all. The vomiting could be from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV. The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the test could be wrong. That does happen in a small percentage of cases. Those test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly. But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other things to look at before making any decisions. There is a possibility that the cat can extinguish the virus. A percentage of cats that get the virus are actually able to get rid of it. A second test called an IFA test will show whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return. If that test is negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should wait a couple months or so and re-test. If that test is positive then it's not likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any further testing. But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him down. You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him. Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life because of what could or could not happen in the future. You just need to take care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come. Like I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV. Lots of cats vomit for lots of different reasons. Now you do need to figure what's wrong and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the vomiting. You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume he's throwing up because he has FeLV. I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet. Get him over this sickness and just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime one little thing goes wrong. Many cats with FeLV can live several years. I've heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking. Actually there are some that go into their teens. If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years. Not all, but a good bit. But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800 From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice for me thank you tina an kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet. Find one that knows more about FeLV and knows that it is not an automatic death sentence. Find one that knows about the different types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and treating FeLV. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) No - don't give up on him. It's too early to make any decisions. Just because the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he will stay that way. The test they do in the office is a first step. An indicator that further testing is required. That's all. The vomiting could be from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV. The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the test could be wrong. That does happen in a small percentage of cases. Those test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly. But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other things to look at before making any decisions. There is a possibility that the cat can extinguish the virus. A percentage of cats that get the virus are actually able to get rid of it. A second test called an IFA test will show whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return. If that test is negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should wait a couple months or so and re-test. If that test is positive then it's not likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any further testing. But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him down. You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him. Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life because of what could or could not happen in the future. You just need to take care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come. Like I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV. Lots of cats vomit for lots of different reasons. Now you do need to figure what's wrong and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the vomiting. You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume he's throwing up because he has FeLV. I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet. Get him over this sickness and just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime one little thing goes wrong. Many cats with FeLV can live several years. I've heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking. Actually there are some that go into their teens. If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years. Not all, but a good bit. But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800 From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice for me thank you tina an kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Please remember, if you add a comment to a long list of discussions, the message becomes too large for this group (like this one) - it came back marked as being 'reviewed. Now, I will erase the bottom parts, and resend it in an updated form. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of GRAS Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) A positive Elisa a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and negative) and then go from there Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one really wonder! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only means the cat may still throw off the virus. It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem clueless when it comes to this virus. Hoping for the best for your babies. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lee Absolutely wonderful advice(-: On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv. Since I have many other cats, I isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he tested negative. That was about 6 years ago. He's still going strong and happy. If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life, retest in about two or three months. Even if she's still positive, that's NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical danger. Feed her good food, clean water. Think simple. If she has a problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related to leukemia but always have it checked out. Most important, get a second opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending fatality. Look at her the same way you have been doing all along. A wonderful cat enjoying her life. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv. Since I have many other cats, I isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he tested negative. That was about 6 years ago. He's still going strong and happy. If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life, retest in about two or three months. Even if she's still positive, that's NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical danger. Feed her good food, clean water. Think simple. If she has a problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related to leukemia but always have it checked out. Most important, get a second opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending fatality. Look at her the same way you have been doing all along. A wonderful cat enjoying her life. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, everyone: OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened to me, based on the note below: If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty, was diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive. I couldn't find him a home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative. I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from our home). Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr. Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago. A week ago, Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature. The woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side. The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is: All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June. Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us. We also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown reliable results. Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of 104.4 temperature. I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest. The middle class will come last. I don't know what the results will be, I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for them). I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr. Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years. Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe there's some advice ion there. The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet. If the cat tests positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative. Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that so many false positives occur, and so many vets tell people to euthanize their cats just because they have tested positive. I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have reported cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I will send it to Lee as well. I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic.. Natalie =^..^= From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv. Since I have many other cats, I isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he tested negative. That was about 6 years ago. He's still going strong and happy. If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life, retest in about two or three months. Even if she's still positive, that's NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical danger. Feed her good food, clean water. Think simple. If she has a problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related to leukemia but always have it checked out. Most important, get a second opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending fatality. Look at her the same way you have been doing all along. A wonderful cat enjoying her life. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only means the cat may still throw off the virus. It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem clueless when it comes to this virus. Hoping for the best for your babies. Beth GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, everyone: OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened to me, based on the note below: If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty, was diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive. I couldn't find him a home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative. I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from our home). Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr. Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago. A week ago, Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature. The woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side. The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is: All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June. Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us. We also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown reliable results. Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of 104.4 temperature. I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest. The middle class will come last. I don't know what the results will be, I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for them). I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr. Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years. Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe there's some advice ion there. The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet. If the cat tests positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative. Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that so many false positives occur, and so many vets tell people to euthanize their cats just because they have tested positive. I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have reported cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I will send it to Lee as well. I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic.. Natalie =^..^= From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv. Since I have many other cats, I isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he tested negative. That was about 6 years ago. He's still going strong and happy. If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life, retest in about two or three months. Even if she's still positive, that's NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical danger. Feed her good food, clean water. Think simple. If she has a problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related to leukemia but always have it checked out. Most important, get a second opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending fatality. Look at her the same way you have been doing all along. A wonderful cat enjoying her life. ___ Felvtalk mailing
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A positive Elisa a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and negative) and then go from there Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one really wonder! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only means the cat may still throw off the virus. It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem clueless when it comes to this virus. Hoping for the best for your babies. Beth GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, everyone: OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened to me, based on the note below: If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty, was diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive. I couldn't find him a home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative. I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from our home). Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr. Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago. A week ago, Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature. The woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side. The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is: All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June. Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us. We also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown reliable results. Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of 104.4 temperature. I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest. The middle class will come last. I don't know what the results will be, I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for them). I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr. Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years. Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe there's some advice ion there. The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet. If the cat tests positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative. Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that so many false positives occur, and so many vets tell people to euthanize their cats just because they have tested positive. I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have reported cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I will send it to Lee as well. I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic.. Natalie =^..^= From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv. Since I have many other cats, I isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he tested negative. That was about 6 years ago. He's still going strong and happy. If Ginger is an only cat, just
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Yes, alwsys retest on a positive SNAP test, but there seems to be a lot of people who think a negstive IFA means the cat is negative. Thats just as scary as people not understanding to always retest a positive. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: A positive Elisa a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and negative) and then go from there Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one really wonder! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only means the cat may still throw off the virus. It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem clueless when it comes to this virus. Hoping for the best for your babies. Beth GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, everyone: OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened to me, based on the note below: If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty, was diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive. I couldn't find him a home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative. I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from our home). Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr. Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago. A week ago, Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature. The woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side. The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is: All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June. Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us. We also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown reliable results. Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of 104.4 temperature. I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest. The middle class will come last. I don't know what the results will be, I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for them). I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr. Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years. Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe there's some advice ion there. The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet. If the cat tests positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative. Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that so many false positives occur, and so many vets tell people to euthanize their cats just because they have tested positive. I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have reported cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I will send it to Lee as well. I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic.. Natalie =^..^= From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM My cat Moses
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Natalie, It could be that Mr. Tux had the FeLV virus but it was dormant. When it is dormant they won't test positive on either test and they can't spread it. Maybe the stress of changing homes re-activated the virus. If that was the case then none of your cats have been exposed to it. Let's hope it was something like that so none of your cats have been exposed and they will all be negative. Maureen Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:30:30 -0500 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Yes, alwsys retest on a positive SNAP test, but there seems to be a lot of people who think a negstive IFA means the cat is negative. Thats just as scary as people not understanding to always retest a positive. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: A positive Elisa a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and negative) and then go from there Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one really wonder! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only means the cat may still throw off the virus. It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem clueless when it comes to this virus. Hoping for the best for your babies. Beth GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Hi, everyone: OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened to me, based on the note below: If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty, was diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive. I couldn't find him a home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative. I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from our home). Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr. Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago. A week ago, Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature. The woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side. The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is: All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June. Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us. We also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown reliable results. Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of 104.4 temperature. I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest. The middle class will come last. I don't know what the results will be, I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for them). I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr. Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years. Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe there's some advice ion there. The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet. If the cat tests positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative. Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that so
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My 2 felv cats are part of a 7 cat pride. They share everything , have an occassional boxing. hissing match, go outside (usually for 2 hrs) in nice weather and get lots of attention, love . The others all get their vaccination for felv. They have been together for almost 5 years now and all are health, happy, contented cats. I think the most important factors are good food, love, lack of stress and prompt vet care. My 2 girls couldn't be healthier, sleek, shiny coats, well muscled and spoiled rotten. Don't despair. Love them and lt them enjoy the life they are meant to have, that is ll we can do. The rest is up to God. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv. Since I have many other cats, I isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he tested negative. That was about 6 years ago. He's still going strong and happy. If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life, retest in about two or three months. Even if she's still positive, that's NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical danger. Feed her good food, clean water. Think simple. If she has a problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related to leukemia but always have it checked out. Most important, get a second opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending fatality. Look at her the same way you have been doing all along. A wonderful cat enjoying her life. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My Buddy Cat died in September from FeLV. I finally found another kitty that I would like to adopt from a shelter from KY near Lexington. I live in PA. Does anyone live near Lexington? I would be willing to pay for gas and an extra $100 if someone can drive half way (4-5 hours) and meet me. I want to surprise my daughter and husband for Christmas. Dawn ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Umm... I live 20 minutes from Lexington. I'm driving to Cincinnati area the evening of the 22nd. But that is as far as I can drive the cat. Call if you want me to do that leg of the transport. 502-545-8025 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Dawn Bartholomew dba...@ptd.net wrote: My Buddy Cat died in September from FeLV. I finally found another kitty that I would like to adopt from a shelter from KY near Lexington. I live in PA. Does anyone live near Lexington? I would be willing to pay for gas and an extra $100 if someone can drive half way (4-5 hours) and meet me. I want to surprise my daughter and husband for Christmas. Dawn ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I live in Black Mountain NC and would be more than happy to give him a home. I'm really not too familiar with how things are done here but I have a male that I rescued from outside that has feline leukemia and I keep him separated from my other cats. I'm sure he would be happy for the company. Let me know if you think it might work. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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georgetta, what a heart warming story! from what i understand, many if not most rescues never even give a cat who produces a positive result on the fist test even a chance to be tested with the confirmation test. in fact many pet owners don't either. with the pet owners it is possible that the vet never even tells them any thing other than their cat has feline leukemia or that their cat tested positive for feline leukemia. the cat owner hasn't a clue that the initial test should be followed by a confimation test. others can't afford to do much more and end up having the cat euthanized. and many who can afford it simply don't want to spend much money on something they consider as just a cat. with rescues, i can understand them not going further than the first test. i don't necessarily agree with that but i can understand it. however, i feel it was unfair of your fostering friends trying to pressure you into having the kiitten euthanized. i'm sure they meant well but personally i think they were out of line. be proud that you stood your ground and continued to try and find placement for wisp. the odds were stacked against you, it's hard enough to find a good home for any cat or kitten might less one that has felv. but luckily for you and wisp, you beat some pretty tough odds. i would imagine that michael will let you return to visit wisp if you are willing to make the drive now and then. it sounds like he might also keep you updated every so often on wisps condition. sounds like a good deal to me! wisp's life will undoubtedly be cut short but at least it sounds like what time he does have here on earth will be happy with good times with many other kitty friends and wonderful caring human friends. although his time is short, i'm sure he will have had a happier life than what many other less fortunate cats have had, whether they lived a short life or a long life. thanks for sharing an upbeat message and thanks for all the fostering you do and thanks for not giving in and for continuing to try and find good placement for wisp. i just wish more people were like you. best wishes for wisp's future and best wishes to you. i hope that this will be your only experience with any cat diseases and that all of your future foster babies will be healthy. darlene ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Not all rescues act the way you described in your first paragraph. We had a cat come up double positive (FELV/FIV) , did a confirmatory IFA test, and adopted her out to someone on this list:) On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Twisted Princess twistedprinces...@yahoo.com wrote: georgetta, what a heart warming story! from what i understand, many if not most rescues never even give a cat who produces a positive result on the fist test even a chance to be tested with the confirmation test. in fact many pet owners don't either. with the pet owners it is possible that the vet never even tells them any thing other than their cat has feline leukemia or that their cat tested positive for feline leukemia. the cat owner hasn't a clue that the initial test should be followed by a confimation test. others can't afford to do much more and end up having the cat euthanized. and many who can afford it simply don't want to spend much money on something they consider as just a cat. with rescues, i can understand them not going further than the first test. i don't necessarily agree with that but i can understand it. however, i feel it was unfair of your fostering friends trying to pressure you into having the kiitten euthanized. i'm sure they meant well but personally i think they were out of line. be proud that you stood your ground and continued to try and find placement for wisp. the odds were stacked against you, it's hard enough to find a good home for any cat or kitten might less one that has felv. but luckily for you and wisp, you beat some pretty tough odds. i would imagine that michael will let you return to visit wisp if you are willing to make the drive now and then. it sounds like he might also keep you updated every so often on wisps condition. sounds like a good deal to me! wisp's life will undoubtedly be cut short but at least it sounds like what time he does have here on earth will be happy with good times with many other kitty friends and wonderful caring human friends. although his time is short, i'm sure he will have had a happier life than what many other less fortunate cats have had, whether they lived a short life or a long life. thanks for sharing an upbeat message and thanks for all the fostering you do and thanks for not giving in and for continuing to try and find good placement for wisp. i just wish more people were like you. best wishes for wisp's future and best wishes to you. i hope that this will be your only experience with any cat diseases and that all of your future foster babies will be healthy. darlene ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Natasha, Are all your other cats up to date on feline leukemia vaccinations? You should NOT get FIV vaccination for your cats. It isn't that effective and they will then test positive for FIV, even if they don't have it. I am really hoping Stump only has FIV because that is a lot easier to manage. It really isn't as contagious as once thought passed mainly be deep bites. As long as he isn't fighting with the others to the point of drawing blood, there is no reason to separate him. I am not sure how significant a source intimate grooming is, I think very slight. I think you could let him out in the yard to play, just keep an eye on him so that he doesn't encounter strange cats. You might not want to let him out if it gets really cold, just to keep him from getting too chilled. I will let others address mixing vaccinated FeLV cats and positive cats, I don't have much information. Given that Stump and Sky have bonded, it would be a shame to have to keep them apart. Good luck with the poor baby. Merlin Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: Natasha Hinsbeeck n.hinsbe...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] My current questions about FIV+ diagnosis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: 693500.24476...@web45614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi! I posted yesterday about Ben's diagnosis. I've blogged this a lot on the daily kitten website, you can follow the thread if you want the whole story; but I'm just going to cut paste the questions I asked there. For the purpose of clarity, Ben is his proper name, but we just call him Stumpie, or Stump for short. Sky is a female cat in my house (much older than him) who adopted him as her own baby. Hope that covers any uncertainties? ? I'm sorry, but this is going to be a really long post. Please bear with me? I've calmed down a lot since my last post - had some time out to digest this. The reason why I freaked out is that I lost my soul-cat (Jack, my avatar) in June to leukemia. He was diagnosed on the Wednesday, and we put him to sleep on the Thursday because he was just too sick (organ failure etc). Stump's scenario looks a bit different. We caught the toxo-thing really early, and he's responding well to the treatment. Last night I was worried because he was so pale and lethargic, he definitely has a lot more energy today, but he's still awfully pale. But he's eating well, and drinking, up and running/playing - Jack couldn't do any of those things when we got his diagnosis. So I do have some hope for the child. Very tentatively, I'm soo scared of getting my heart broken all over again. My vet didnt really give me any info when he gave me the diagnosis, he gave Stump's medicine to me and said we should continue his treatment at home. Dont know if this is because he wants us to have time to say goodbye, or to minimize stressfull experiences on Stump. Point is, I now have a refrigerator full of meds to give the child. My issue now is, I have s many questions to ask, and I'm sure my vet is going to feel I'm wasting his time. Dont get me wrong, the man is a diagnostic guru with animals, and he loves animals, but he's definitely not a people-person, he's not going to get where I'm coming from on an emotional level. So I'm going to post my ideas/thoughts and questions, and hopefully some experienced TDK'ers can enlighten me? 1) Stump has no immunity of his own, due to the FIV, but also because he was a bottle baby, so he never got colostrum. Would it be worth it to supplement his diet with either some commercially produced colostrum, or to try to source some from someone who has a goat that is currently producing colostrum? I've heard from a lot of people that goat's milk is a better milk replacement than any commercial product can hope to be, we just dont have goats in the cities. If it would help, I would buy my own bloody goat at this point . . . 2) There are a few herbal remedies available here in SA that claim to help support compromised immune responses (as you may know the human aids epidemic in SA is a catastrophe), called eco-immune, developed specifically for animals. Would this contribute to helping Stump? I'm not a big believer in herbal remedies, but if it will help, I'll definitely give it a try. 3) The vet said I should keep Stump on the royal canin recovery diet because it's very high in fat, protein and calory values. Is this a good idea where kidney failure is a very real possibility? 4) Should I keep Stump isolated from my other cats? They've all had their shots, but when Jack died I was shocked to find that the FeLV on the label of the vaccine isn't actually the same FeLV that cats usually get (I was really P*SS*D off about that), any way, vet said there are specific vaccines for immunising agains FeLV, but I dont know if it's the same for FIV? If all my other cats were to get that shot, could they be allowed to socialise with each other
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Thought this might be helpful to some of you. http://www.belfield.com/pdfs/Feline_Leukemia.pdf Sally Jewell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thought this might be helpful to some of you. http://www.belfield.com/pdfs/Feline_Leukemia.pdf Sally Jewell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sara, With regard to your recent post, I wanted to offer info available on the site of Wendell Belfield, DVM and in his book, The Very Healthy Cat http://www.belfield.com/books.php# Book. Dr. Belfield reports that he has reversed FeLV in young cats where the disease has not yet progressed to the bone marrow with high dose ascorbate (vitamin C). See http://www.belfield.com/pet_health_art2.php. I work in the distribution of Pauling's high dose vitamin C/lysine therapy for removing arterial blockages (www.HeartTech.com http://www.hearttech.com/ ) and am familiar with Dr. Belfield through Dr. Linus Pauling, as they were friends and colleagues. In fact, Dr. Pauling wrote the foreword for Dr. Belfield's book. Anyway, there is excellent information in Dr. Belfield's book about giving high dose vitamin C to FeLV+ cats to reverse the disease, provided it has not yet reached the bone marrow. Dr. Belfield, though now retired, has been willing to speak with me personally several times about this and I have used his product Mega C Plus, available from http://www.belfield.com/ www.Belfield.com. Though I was not able to save my Lukey because his disease had already progressed too far when I learned of Belfield's protocol, it may not be too late to reverse your boys with the Imulan LTCI and Belfield's vitamin C protocol. Alternatively, I have also been using intravenous vitamin C on one of my FeLV+ cats with lymphoma and he has now survived for one-and-a-half years beyond the date that his original vet said he should have died. He is happy, healthy and eating well, and in fact, though we expected him to predecease his FeLV+ buddy Lukey, Linus is still going strong while my darling Lukey died October 1 from his disease (we were not using the intravenous C on Lukey because he was seemingly healthy and we really couldn't afford to do two cats on this treatment at once). FYI, they tolerate the intravenous C VERY well and there are no known side effects with IV C at high doses for FeLV. If these two were mine, I would do everything in my power to find a vet in your area who would be willing to administer the IV C to these young cats who have yet no evidence of the disease in their bone marrow. I would recommend a drip at least two days a week and also supplementing their food with the Mega C Plus available from www.Belfield.com. If you need more info about the protocol, feel free to ask. Vets and others will tell you that cats and dogs make their own vitamin C and do not requirement supplemental C. While it is true that they do synthesize ascorbate in the liver from glucose, because of their domestication cats and dogs make the least amount of vitamin C of all animals and this is why they develop illnesses similar to humans who lack the enzyme L-gulonolactone oxidase (GLO) to make vitamin C in the liver including upper respiratory, cancers, etc. Along with humans, guinea pigs, primates and fruit bats also cannot make vitamin C in the liver. Vitamin C is required by these species at very high doses (far greater than the RDA). E.g., an adult rabbit makes the human equivalent of 15,000 mg of vitamin C in the liver each day and even more under stress, while a cat makes only 2800 mg. This is a must read site for info on vitamin C in veterinary use. http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm Sally Jewell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sara, With regard to your recent post, I wanted to offer info available on the site of Wendell Belfield, DVM and in his book, The Very Healthy Cat http://www.belfield.com/books.php# Book. Dr. Belfield reports that he has reversed FeLV in young cats where the disease has not yet progressed to the bone marrow with high dose ascorbate (vitamin C). See http://www.belfield.com/pet_health_art2.php. I work in the distribution of Pauling's high dose vitamin C/lysine therapy for removing arterial blockages (www.HeartTech.com http://www.hearttech.com/ ) and am familiar with Dr. Belfield through Dr. Linus Pauling, as they were friends and colleagues. In fact, Dr. Pauling wrote the foreword for Dr. Belfield's book. Anyway, there is excellent information in Dr. Belfield's book about giving high dose vitamin C to FeLV+ cats to reverse the disease, provided it has not yet reached the bone marrow. Dr. Belfield, though now retired, has been willing to speak with me personally several times about this and I have used his product Mega C Plus, available from http://www.belfield.com/ www.Belfield.com. Though I was not able to save my Lukey because his disease had already progressed too far when I learned of Belfield's protocol, it may not be too late to reverse your boys with the Imulan LTCI and Belfield's vitamin C protocol. Alternatively, I have also been using intravenous vitamin C on one of my FeLV+ cats with lymphoma and he has now survived for one-and-a-half years beyond the date that his original vet said he should have died. He is happy, healthy and eating well, and in fact, though we expected him to predecease his FeLV+ buddy Lukey, Linus is still going strong while my darling Lukey died October 1 from his disease (we were not using the intravenous C on Lukey because he was seemingly healthy and we really couldn't afford to do two cats on this treatment at once). FYI, they tolerate the intravenous C VERY well and there are no known side effects with IV C at high doses for FeLV. If these two were mine, I would do everything in my power to find a vet in your area who would be willing to administer the IV C to these young cats who have yet no evidence of the disease in their bone marrow. I would recommend a drip at least two days a week and also supplementing their food with the Mega C Plus available from www.Belfield.com. If you need more info about the protocol, feel free to ask. Vets and others will tell you that cats and dogs make their own vitamin C and do not requirement supplemental C. While it is true that they do synthesize ascorbate in the liver from glucose, because of their domestication cats and dogs make the least amount of vitamin C of all animals and this is why they develop illnesses similar to humans who lack the enzyme L-gulonolactone oxidase (GLO) to make vitamin C in the liver including upper respiratory, cancers, etc. Along with humans, guinea pigs, primates and fruit bats also cannot make vitamin C in the liver. Vitamin C is required by these species at very high doses (far greater than the RDA). E.g., an adult rabbit makes the human equivalent of 15,000 mg of vitamin C in the liver each day and even more under stress, while a cat makes only 2800 mg. This is a must read site for info on vitamin C in veterinary use. http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm Sally Jewell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sally, Thank-you very much for this info! Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of S. Jewell Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; 'Sara Kasteleyn' Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Sara, With regard to your recent post, I wanted to offer info available on the site of Wendell Belfield, DVM and in his book, The Very Healthy Cat http://www.belfield.com/books.php# Book. Dr. Belfield reports that he has reversed FeLV in young cats where the disease has not yet progressed to the bone marrow with high dose ascorbate (vitamin C). See http://www.belfield.com/pet_health_art2.php. I work in the distribution of Pauling's high dose vitamin C/lysine therapy for removing arterial blockages (www.HeartTech.com http://www.hearttech.com/ ) and am familiar with Dr. Belfield through Dr. Linus Pauling, as they were friends and colleagues. In fact, Dr. Pauling wrote the foreword for Dr. Belfield's book. Anyway, there is excellent information in Dr. Belfield's book about giving high dose vitamin C to FeLV+ cats to reverse the disease, provided it has not yet reached the bone marrow. Dr. Belfield, though now retired, has been willing to speak with me personally several times about this and I have used his product Mega C Plus, available from http://www.belfield.com/ www.Belfield.com. Though I was not able to save my Lukey because his disease had already progressed too far when I learned of Belfield's protocol, it may not be too late to reverse your boys with the Imulan LTCI and Belfield's vitamin C protocol. Alternatively, I have also been using intravenous vitamin C on one of my FeLV+ cats with lymphoma and he has now survived for one-and-a-half years beyond the date that his original vet said he should have died. He is happy, healthy and eating well, and in fact, though we expected him to predecease his FeLV+ buddy Lukey, Linus is still going strong while my darling Lukey died October 1 from his disease (we were not using the intravenous C on Lukey because he was seemingly healthy and we really couldn't afford to do two cats on this treatment at once). FYI, they tolerate the intravenous C VERY well and there are no known side effects with IV C at high doses for FeLV. If these two were mine, I would do everything in my power to find a vet in your area who would be willing to administer the IV C to these young cats who have yet no evidence of the disease in their bone marrow. I would recommend a drip at least two days a week and also supplementing their food with the Mega C Plus available from www.Belfield.com. If you need more info about the protocol, feel free to ask. Vets and others will tell you that cats and dogs make their own vitamin C and do not requirement supplemental C. While it is true that they do synthesize ascorbate in the liver from glucose, because of their domestication cats and dogs make the least amount of vitamin C of all animals and this is why they develop illnesses similar to humans who lack the enzyme L-gulonolactone oxidase (GLO) to make vitamin C in the liver including upper respiratory, cancers, etc. Along with humans, guinea pigs, primates and fruit bats also cannot make vitamin C in the liver. Vitamin C is required by these species at very high doses (far greater than the RDA). E.g., an adult rabbit makes the human equivalent of 15,000 mg of vitamin C in the liver each day and even more under stress, while a cat makes only 2800 mg. This is a must read site for info on vitamin C in veterinary use. http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int _assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm Sally Jewell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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wow! I AM A BIT LATE TO BE CHIMING ON ON THIS, BUT WHAT PSYCO WARD DID THAT VET COME FROM? boy am i glad i have a different kind of vet. he gives alternatives for pos kitties. glad he did, because i have 2 of the most adorable girls i have ever had because of his wisdom. they are both healthy, sometimes act a bit crazy, but i put that down to being alpha females. i now have 4 of them battling for top spot. it is now down to a growling/hissing and slappig point. dorlis MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: absolutely, tad, and what's worse, is that it's still happening with FIVs, even, with less rationale. if so many vets weren't themselves ignorant of the research, and the fact that for many YEARS, all the textbooks and associations have said never to make a life-or-death decision on an asymptomatic cat without a second test, we could go to the state vet assns and try to make a case for willful ignorance. but it's the professionals who are often the worse: just last month, in wichita, KS, a vet who tested a kitten and got a positive result flipped out, ranting about how she would have to close down her clinic for 48 hours to fumigate it; she and her staff were running around wiping down everything in the room, even tho the kitten hadn't been on those surfaces. i don't know how to fight this level of professional ignorance, nor how to expect shelters and rescues to know any better. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sally, I hope this gets to you. I don't always get all of the emails from this group so I hope you get this one. I just wanted to answer your question about diarrhea. Diarrhea can be difficult to diagnose a cause. In general, the first thing I would rule out are intestinal parasites - a stool sample helps (unless you are quite confident this is not likely - than it's just a waste of money). Second, bacterial and viral gastroenteritis (inflammation of the GI tract) can cause diarrhea - this may be secondary to antibiotic use or simply due to a failing immune system. If he's on an antibiotic I would try giving the antibiotic with food and using a probiotic like Acidophilus. It is a bacteria that coats the intestinal lining and blocks bad bacteria from causing infection. You can get it at Walgreens - just divide the recommended human dose by 15 and you should be pretty close to a cat's needs. Other causes could be a change in food, stress, GI auto inflammatory disease, etc. If this is a relatively new development it is probably either parasitic, bacterial/viral, secondary to oral antibiotic use, or stress (physical or emmotional) I would probably just give Acidophilus a try, since it is easy to use, doesn't require a prescription and has a low potential for bad side effects. If I suspected worms, I would bring a stool sample to the vet and finally, if nothing else turns up I may request Metronidazole from the vet (if they were willing to try it) - it is an antiobiotic that treats anaerobic bacteria and some protozoan infections that are hard to pick up on a stool sample and commonly cause GI upset. Hope that helps. Jenny On 9/8/09, S. Jewell ssjew...@bellsouth.net wrote: Wow, Jenny, that's a WONDERFUL report and very encouraging to me and many others, I'm sure. At your suggestion (and thanks for the e-mail and phone messages), I began Lukey's syringe feeding yesterday with A/D and Gatorade. He did very well with both. I'm on my way out to feed him again this morning and then taking him back to the vet to put him on intravenous fluids and vitamin C to help with whatever infection may be going on, if any. Still not sure about what is causing the fever because his blood work was normal last Thursday except for a borderline low lymphocyte count and mild anemia (don't recall the numbers right now). The fluids seem to help the fever a lot, though, so it may in fact be from dehydration. We may go ahead and start him on antibiotics as well to be on the safe side, and he will be evaluated today as to any need for a transfusion, though I don't believe his anemia is that severe yet. One question: He appears to have some diarrhea, first noticed on Saturday. Do you have any thoughts about what might be causing the diarrhea or has Autumn experienced this? It was before his first LTCI shot, also given on Saturday. Thanks again for the wonderful and promising news. I have been so depressed all weekend and this certainly gives me hope for my Lukey. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org