Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION
Thank you for replying. I will continue to keep a very close watch on her.
Nancy
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Hi Nancy She could definitely be a carrier. I wouldn’t be concerned as long
as her blood work is okay. Keep a close eye on her gums, inside of the ears,
and pads to watch for any paleness which might signify anemia. I don’t think
she NEEDS any help right now, but you might consider trying her on a long
course of Doxycycline to see if maybe you can eliminate the virus. I have no
idea if it would work, but in the three-pronged treatment I recommend, I
believe that Doxycycline is blocking viral replication of the FeLV virus. If
your vet is willing, you could try the Doxycycline – I would think at least 6
weeks – and then wait a while and test her again for FeLV. If you give it a
shot and it works, let the rest of us know. Amani From: Felvtalk
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of gidge...@aol.com
Sent: February-23-19 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] QUESTION Hello, My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV
for 3 years. We took in a kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it. The
two were together after that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was
false. The kitten was actually a positive. When I tested my other girl, she
also had it. Kitten has since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my
other girl is still going strong. I had her retested yesterday because you
would just never know she has it. It was still positive. Could she be a
carrier? The vet was very pleased with the blood work as it was perfect. He
thought she may be a carrier. Wanted to have your thoughts. Although she is
doing so well, should I be giving her something to help her? Maybe to keep the
immune system strong? Thank you. Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION
Hi Nancy She could definitely be a carrier. I wouldn’t be concerned as long as her blood work is okay. Keep a close eye on her gums, inside of the ears, and pads to watch for any paleness which might signify anemia. I don’t think she NEEDS any help right now, but you might consider trying her on a long course of Doxycycline to see if maybe you can eliminate the virus. I have no idea if it would work, but in the three-pronged treatment I recommend, I believe that Doxycycline is blocking viral replication of the FeLV virus. If your vet is willing, you could try the Doxycycline – I would think at least 6 weeks – and then wait a while and test her again for FeLV. If you give it a shot and it works, let the rest of us know. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gidge...@aol.com Sent: February-23-19 8:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] QUESTION Hello, My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV for 3 years. We took in a kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it. The two were together after that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was false. The kitten was actually a positive. When I tested my other girl, she also had it. Kitten has since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my other girl is still going strong. I had her retested yesterday because you would just never know she has it. It was still positive. Could she be a carrier? The vet was very pleased with the blood work as it was perfect. He thought she may be a carrier. Wanted to have your thoughts. Although she is doing so well, should I be giving her something to help her? Maybe to keep the immune system strong? Thank you. Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] QUESTION
Hello, My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV for 3 years. We took in a kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it. The two were together after that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was false. The kitten was actually a positive. When I tested my other girl, she also had it. Kitten has since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my other girl is still going strong. I had her retested yesterday because you would just never know she has it. It was still positive. Could she be a carrier? The vet was very pleased with the blood work as it was perfect. He thought she may be a carrier. Wanted to have your thoughts. Although she is doing so well, should I be giving her something to help her? Maybe to keep the immune system strong? Thank you. Nancy___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question
I think you’re low on the doxycycline. If you’re going to give it twice a day, stick to ¼ twice a day. Also, if Oliver has trouble keeping food down (as my Zander did when I put this “protocol” together) I added metoclopramide ¼ tablet a little before I would feed him. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Oliver Mccann Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question Hi everyone, My cat Oliver is 3.5 and has been diagnosed with FeLV and appears to have non regenerative anemia. So far he has been through 5 blood transfusions over the last month, the first 3 in the hospital in the first 6 days, and now he seems to be about a week to nine days in between. We couldn't get him stable enough to do a bone marrow aspiration before we started him on steroids so we don't have the full picture, but I want to do whatever I can to help. I have perused the archives and I think I have come up with a treatment plan but I want to run it by everyone to see if I am doing it right. So far I have seen the best treatment option to be Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day This is the most common treatment I see you guys recommend. Right now he is only on Prednisolone. I have read about Acemannan and Sodium Ascorbate treatments that may work but I haven't seen any info on that in the archives. Also what so you guys think about LTCI? Thanks is advance. We have insurance on the little guy so $$ is not much of a problem. We are willing to try anything. Cheers, -Ben Pavlichek ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question
Hi everyone, My cat Oliver is 3.5 and has been diagnosed with FeLV and appears to have non regenerative anemia. So far he has been through 5 blood transfusions over the last month, the first 3 in the hospital in the first 6 days, and now he seems to be about a week to nine days in between. We couldn't get him stable enough to do a bone marrow aspiration before we started him on steroids so we don't have the full picture, but I want to do whatever I can to help. I have perused the archives and I think I have come up with a treatment plan but I want to run it by everyone to see if I am doing it right. So far I have seen the best treatment option to be Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a dayThis is the most common treatment I see you guys recommend. Right now he is only on Prednisolone. I have read about Acemannan and Sodium Ascorbate treatments that may work but I haven't seen any info on that in the archives. Also what so you guys think about LTCI? Thanks is advance. We have insurance on the little guy so $$ is not much of a problem. We are willing to try anything. Cheers, -Ben Pavlichek___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
Are vet schools doing much to find a cure? Amani Oakley wrote: > Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for afflicted > cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary arsenal to combat it. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy > Robertson > Sent: December-03-17 12:00 PM > To: 'Margo'; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV? > > Thank you, > Ardy > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > > Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, > water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other > than by physical contact. > > Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; > > "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" > > FelV spreads thru close friendly contact > > FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are > altered...right?) > > Margo > > > > -Original Message- > >From: dlg...@windstream.net > >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I > >took Annie in. > > > > Ardy Robertson wrote: > >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in > >> his carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed > >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > > > >Ardy > > > >-----Original Message- > >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > >Of Theresa O'Rourke > >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM > >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > > >Thank you Lorrie, > > > >So happy I joined this group. > >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And > >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. > >However, I won’t do this again, > >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through > >this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure > >that is NOT NECESSARY. > >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so > >neurotic. 😊 > > > > > >Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: > >> > >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 > >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived > >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand > >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully > >> developed. > >> > >> Lorrie > >> > >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: > >>> > >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was > >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the > >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) > >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy > >>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the > >>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and > >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read > >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with > >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. > >>> > >>> Amani > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or > >> g > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list &
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary arsenal to combat it. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: December-03-17 12:00 PM To: 'Margo'; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV? Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by physical contact. Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" FelV spreads thru close friendly contact FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are altered...right?) Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >Of Theresa O'Rourke >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Thank you Lorrie, > >So happy I joined this group. >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >However, I won’t do this again, >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this >again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is >NOT NECESSARY. >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so >neurotic. 😊 > > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy >>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the >>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I try to do that too -- although I am surrounded by Amish farms who do not neuter their animals, and I have so many strays coming here - mostly for food. I do neuter as many as I can after they have been here for a while. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 6:29 AM To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Re: spay/neuter, First I give them 2 weeks for an owner to show up and then it is off to the vet for an exam and spay/neuter. I do not want to be a contributor to unwanted kittens/puppies plus they will live longer healthier lives. Margo wrote: > Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by physical contact. Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" FelV spreads thru close friendly contact FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are altered...right?) Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >Of Theresa O'Rourke >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Thank you Lorrie, > >So happy I joined this group. >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >However, I won’t do this again, >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this >again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is >NOT NECESSARY. >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so >neurotic. 😊 > > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy >>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the >>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV? Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by physical contact. Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" FelV spreads thru close friendly contact FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are altered...right?) Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >Of Theresa O'Rourke >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Thank you Lorrie, > >So happy I joined this group. >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >However, I won’t do this again, >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this >again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is >NOT NECESSARY. >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so >neurotic. 😊 > > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy >>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the >>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you Sent from my iPad > On Nov 30, 2017, at 7:29 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > Re: spay/neuter, First I give them 2 weeks for an owner to show up and then > it is off to the vet for an exam and spay/neuter. I do not want to be a > contributor to unwanted kittens/puppies plus they will live longer healthier > lives. > > Margo wrote: >> > Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, > water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other > than by physical contact. > > Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; > > "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" > > FelV spreads thru close friendly contact > > FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are > altered...right?) > > Margo > > > > -Original Message- >> From: dlg...@windstream.net >> Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question >> >> Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >> took Annie in. >> >> Ardy Robertson wrote: >>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. >> >> Ardy >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Theresa O'Rourke >> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question >> >> Thank you Lorrie, >> >> So happy I joined this group. >> I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >> clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >> However, I won’t do this again, >> Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through >> this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure >> that is NOT NECESSARY. >> IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >>> >>> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >>> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >>> developed. >>> >>> Lorrie >>> >>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>>> >>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >>>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >>>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>>> >>>> Amani >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: spay/neuter, First I give them 2 weeks for an owner to show up and then it is off to the vet for an exam and spay/neuter. I do not want to be a contributor to unwanted kittens/puppies plus they will live longer healthier lives. Margo wrote: > Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by physical contact. Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" FelV spreads thru close friendly contact FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are altered...right?) Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >Theresa O'Rourke >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Thank you Lorrie, > >So happy I joined this group. >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >However, I won’t do this again, >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this >again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is >NOT NECESSARY. >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 > > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by physical contact. Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" FelV spreads thru close friendly contact FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are altered...right?) Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >Theresa O'Rourke >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Thank you Lorrie, > >So happy I joined this group. >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >However, I won’t do this again, >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this >again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is >NOT NECESSARY. >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 > > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you, For all your wonderful responses. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 29, 2017, at 12:16 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I > took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > > Ardy > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Theresa O'Rourke > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM > To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > Thank you Lorrie, > > So happy I joined this group. > I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And > clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. > However, I won’t do this again, > Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this > again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that > is NOT NECESSARY. > IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I took Annie in. Ardy Robertson wrote: > I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his > carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed concerned > about spreading it to the other patients. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Theresa O'Rourke Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Thank you Lorrie, So happy I joined this group. I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. However, I won’t do this again, Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is NOT NECESSARY. IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 Sent from my iPad > On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 > and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived > with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand > FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully > developed. > > Lorrie > >> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >> >> Amani >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed concerned about spreading it to the other patients. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Theresa O'Rourke Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Thank you Lorrie, So happy I joined this group. I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. However, I won’t do this again, Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is NOT NECESSARY. IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 Sent from my iPad > On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 > and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived > with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand > FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully > developed. > > Lorrie > >> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >> >> Amani >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you Lorrie, So happy I joined this group. I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. However, I won’t do this again, Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is NOT NECESSARY. IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 Sent from my iPad > On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 > and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived > with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand > FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully > developed. > > Lorrie > >> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >> >> Amani >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully developed. Lorrie On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: > We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was > infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the > infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) > That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little > boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in > the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and > groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read > repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with > adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. > > Amani > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have had feral and dump cats for over 40 years, including 4 FELV cats. I have never had to wash anything when one of them passed. None of my FELV negative cats ever contracted the disease and all have died of old age including Annie who was FELV and over 10 years. They eat from the same bowls, sleep on the same beds. It has to do with the age of the cts. If your cts are under 1 year, they are more likely to contract the disease because their imune system is not as strong. Theresa O'Rourke wrote: > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats also and want to know if they can catch The disease. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you, that is one of the best answers I’ve received. I won’t do this again, because I take care of other’s cats. However, for this time, the cat will be in his own room, he’ll have special toys I’ll throw out after, I’ll play with him, and brush him, poor thing. I’ll wash my hands and change clothes, it may be fanatic, but whatever.. However, after he leaves, I’ll wash everything, and give the room and floor a big cleaning. So all should be well, I promised my daughter, But I won’t do it again. Thank you for the great answer!!! Poor cat, it is so sad. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Shelley Theye wrote: > > Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ‘friendly’ contact. > Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of time. > The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really just > cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat leaves > should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor, etc. from water > or urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side. > > You might want to have different shoes on too? and clothes, if you will be > playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on you…but that might > be > going overboard. Definitely wash hands after handling... > > Shelley > > >> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: >> >> My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with >> blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily >> through a bite. >> - Original Message - >> From: Theresa O'Rourke >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question >> >> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. >> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate >> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after >> the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats >> also and want to know if they can catch >> The disease. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
Immune system plays a huge part-usually mature cats have a vibrant immune system, it’s the very young or older cats that would be more at risk, IMO. Also, the FeLV cat’s immune system is compromised, I believe, so contact with other cats would be something to consider for the health of the FeLV diagnosed cat. I have a cat diagnosed in 2010, that I strongly feel beat the virus-(answer to Prayer) he was older when I found him, the vet guessing him to be around 1 year old. We keep him in our guest room with a modified door so he “participates” in the hall/house activities and the room is ventilated. I will not take him to the vet unless he becomes ill-keeping the STRESS down so no testing! My practice is to wash my hands with alcohol and or soap for 20 seconds before & after I’m in his room. I keep his dishes sterile, no shared food or water or containers- but that’s about it. Now- this is my practice and everyone needs to follow his/her own inner voice on this matter- just sharing - not pushing an agenda. lol Gloria, furmommy to Buddy Luv -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, > despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would > decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event > though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly > pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even > though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I > have since read repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially > with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Theresa O'Rourke > Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch The disease. > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
As I said – I had a cat in with at least 8 other cats for 7 years with no transmission. They shared food and water bowls, beds, grooming, playing, biting, scratching - the whole nine yards. I don’t think it is particularly contagious with older cats. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Theye Sent: November-22-17 2:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ‘friendly’ contact. Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of time. The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really just cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat leaves should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor, etc. from water or urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side. You might want to have different shoes on too? and clothes, if you will be playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on you…but that might be going overboard. Definitely wash hands after handling... Shelley On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com<mailto:kresch...@mchsi.com> wrote: My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily through a bite. - Original Message - From: Theresa O'Rourke mailto:theresa.orou...@videotron.ca>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Felvtalk] Question I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats also and want to know if they can catch The disease. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ‘friendly’ contact. Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of time. The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really just cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat leaves should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor, etc. from water or urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side. You might want to have different shoes on too? and clothes, if you will be playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on you…but that might be going overboard. Definitely wash hands after handling... Shelley > On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: > > My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with > blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily > through a bite. > - Original Message - > From: Theresa O'Rourke > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch > The disease. > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
Thank you! Sent from my iPad > On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:30 AM, marlene melpignano wrote: > > From what I read (scientific articles) the virus might stay in the room from > 2 to 7 days. No conclusive data on this, but be careful. Even if a bite is > surely the most common way to catch Felv > > Inviato da iPhone > >> Il giorno 22 nov 2017, alle ore 17:03, kresch...@mchsi.com ha scritto: >> >> My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with >> blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily >> through a bite. >> - Original Message - >> From: Theresa O'Rourke >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question >> >> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. >> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate >> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after >> the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats >> also and want to know if they can catch >> The disease. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you! Sent from my iPad > On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, > despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would > decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event > though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly > pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even > though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I > have since read repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially > with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Theresa O'Rourke > Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch The disease. > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you! Sent from my iPad > On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: > > My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with > blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily > through a bite. > - Original Message - > From: Theresa O'Rourke > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch > The disease. > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Theresa O'Rourke Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats also and want to know if they can catch The disease. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
From what I read (scientific articles) the virus might stay in the room from 2 to 7 days. No conclusive data on this, but be careful. Even if a bite is surely the most common way to catch Felv Inviato da iPhone > Il giorno 22 nov 2017, alle ore 17:03, kresch...@mchsi.com ha scritto: > > My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with > blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily > through a bite. > - Original Message - > From: Theresa O'Rourke > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch > The disease. > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily through a bite. - Original Message - From: Theresa O'Rourke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Felvtalk] Question I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats also and want to know if they can catch The disease. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Question
I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats also and want to know if they can catch The disease. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another question(s) about Zander's protocol
Hi Molly I hate to relate this again, because I have explained how I came to stumble on Zander’s protocol. To answer your question directly, it was totally trial and error. I too have a background in sciences and health care, and that played into my experience as well. So here is my summary from one of my first emails to this group: I would like to share what I think is very important information with others who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died from something else that I don’t believe was related to the leukemia. When the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better. After about a year, I called back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage associated with it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to eat when he was so very sick. I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a maintenance dose. That was given along with ½ a tablet of prednisolone, twice a day, and ½ a tablet of 100mg Doxycycline, twice a day. I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that it has come through more often than not. I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other options and their kitten or cat will die. I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific community as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising drug. This saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean really - does it make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver disease, when your animal is dying Wouldn't you expect to be given that option in those circumstances, and to be permitted as the pet owner to understand the risks??? Personally, I think that the risk of permanent liver damage is not a significant risk. The information I have been able to find - buried so very deeply as to be almost unable to be found on the Internet - points to any change in the liver enzymes as being transitory and not representing any lasting liver damage. That was certainly our experience. Because Zander's condition was so dire, even when his liver enzymes started to go up, I decided to keep him on the Winstrol because I could see that his bone marrow had turned back on again and he was producing red cells ( with his re
[Felvtalk] Another question(s) about Zander's protocol
Thank you Amani, Bob, Sandy and Ardy for your input. I was wondering how did Zander's protocol originate? Was is trial and error or a known remedy? How did 'they' or you know what meds would work for FeLV cats and how was the combination decided? Just wanted some background to give my vet when I talk with her. Thanks again everyone. You are all so supportive! Yes, I do have a medical background. I'm a retired vet tech so I'm glad I have some knowledge of the meds to be used for Mia. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone
No - go ahead and give it to her. The prednisone and prednisolone are often given interchangeably in my experience. By the way, when I have been given prednisolone, it is also white and round and scored. I have never gotten an oblong pill. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: September-21-16 8:43 PM To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone Hi Margo, Both the viles are marked Prednisolone so I believe they mismarked this and put the wrong pill in there(Prednisone). I didn't realize that I HAD been giving her Prednisolone until right this moment. I am not sure what to do. She is due now for the pill but I feel like I should skip this dose and get to the vet first thing in the morning to get the other. Do you agree? Will it hurt her to miss a dose? From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> on behalf of Margo mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>> Reply-To: Margo mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>>, mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:26 PM To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone Sorry, it's 5 mg predniSONE. What you had before was likely predniSOLONE. Prednisolone s considered by many to be better for cats, because predniSONE must be proceesed in the liver before it is the useable form predniSOLONE Sorry -Original Message- From: Sherri Godschalk Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is a round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse. I fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could ask...what does the Pred pill look like that you are giving your cat? I don't want to miss a dose but also don't want to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance. Sherri and Bogey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone
Hi Margo, Both the viles are marked Prednisolone so I believe they mismarked this and put the wrong pill in there(Prednisone). I didn¹t realize that I HAD been giving her Prednisolone until right this moment. I am not sure what to do. She is due now for the pill but I feel like I should skip this dose and get to the vet first thing in the morning to get the other. Do you agree? Will it hurt her to miss a dose? From: Felvtalk on behalf of Margo Reply-To: Margo , Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 8:26 PM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone Sorry, it's 5 mg predniSONE. What you had before was likely predniSOLONE. Prednisolone s considered by many to be better for cats, because predniSONE must be proceesed in the liver before it is the useable form predniSOLONE Sorry > -Original Message- > From: Sherri Godschalk > Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone > > Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat > named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran > out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is a > round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse. I > fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says > Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could askwhat does the Pred pill look like > that you are giving your cat? I don¹t want to miss a dose but also don¹t want > to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance. > > Sherri and Bogey > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Clarification/Re: Just a quick question about Prednisone
Sorry, it's 5 mg predniSONE.What you had before was likely predniSOLONE.Prednisolone s considered by many to be better for cats, because predniSONE must be proceesed in the liver before it is the useable form predniSOLONESorry-Original Message- From: Sherri Godschalk Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is a round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse. I fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could ask…what does the Pred pill look like that you are giving your cat? I don’t want to miss a dose but also don’t want to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.Sherri and Bogey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone
It's also 5 mg prednisolone;https://www.drugs.com/imprints/50-94-v-6551.htmlHTH,Margo-Original Message- From: Sherri Godschalk Sent: Sep 21, 2016 8:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is a round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse. I fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could ask…what does the Pred pill look like that you are giving your cat? I don’t want to miss a dose but also don’t want to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance.Sherri and Bogey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Just a quick question about Prednisone
Good evening all. I just opened the refill the vet gave me for my FELV + cat named Bogey. The pill they gave me is a different shape than the one she ran out of last night. The other was a small oblong shaped pill and this one is a round scored pill with a V on one side a the numbers 50 94 on the reverse. I fear they have given me the wrong prescription here although it says Prednisone 5mg on the front. If I could askwhat does the Pred pill look like that you are giving your cat? I don¹t want to miss a dose but also don¹t want to give her the wrong med. Thanks in advance. Sherri and Bogey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
I have not used flea treatments for 4 or 5 years now and all cats are still free from fleas. I do have a yard full of catnip and 4 large pots of lemon grass on the deck. Both are supposed to repel fleas. Now tgell me how to keep ringneck snakes out of the house. Discovered Harley and Dee playing with 2 in the living rom. I picked them up and threw them outside, but now wonder if any other kind of snakes have gotten in. Margo wrote: > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
Timmy's Dirty Flea Soap is the best. http://www.dirtyflea.com/ On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Sandy wrote: > Use Deamateous Earth _ FOOD GRADE - think the spelling may be off - I > believe it's available from Home Depot or order online > Sandy W > > -- > *From: *"Margo" > *To: *"Karen Harshbarger" , > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:33:53 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question > > > > I'm having flea issues, as well. Mako went to a specialist (for non-FeLV > related problems) and they recommended Comfortis. I had to order from > Valley Vet, and gave it to him 8/26. So far so good. It seems to have done > the job, but I also use flea traps, and treated the other cats as well. For > most of the year, I was okay using (generic) Capstar and flea traps. > > -Original Message- > From: Karen Harshbarger > Sent: Aug 30, 2016 3:23 PM > To: Felvtalk > Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question > > As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver > complications this month. I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as > I am struggling to save his brother Ash. Ash tested positive again this > month (4 years ago tested positive once and then negative twice). However > his blood work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and > playing and going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has > recommended no treatment or preventatives at this time. They only suggest > another blood work check in one to 4 months and flea treatment. > > Ash and his brother have fleas. I know I must treat but that seems like > when Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline > twice. > Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and > blankets and cleaned their living quarters. I fear that the fleas or > treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life. But I know I > have to treat fleas too. I have tried combing everyday, but that does not > work either. > > Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats. It has worked well for me > for other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the > feline leukemia. As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it > was safer because it could be used on young kittens even. Ash is 4 1/2 > years old and I know I have to do something about the fleas. Please let me > know if you have used Vectra flea treatment. Or if you use something else > successfully or don't use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia. Ash > never goes outside, so I don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet > or we brought the fleas in from outside on shoes, etc. > > Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of > fleas that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not > work, and I am so worried about anything with Ash with his positive on the > feline leukemia test at the vet and after loosing Cole. My heart just cant > loose another of my fur babies. Please Help!!! > > Thank you, Karen and kitties Ash and BJ and angle Cole > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
Use Deamateous Earth _ FOOD GRADE - think the spelling may be off - I believe it's available from Home Depot or order online Sandy W - Original Message - From: "Margo" To: "Karen Harshbarger" , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:33:53 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question I'm having flea issues, as well. Mako went to a specialist (for non-FeLV related problems) and they recommended Comfortis. I had to order from Valley Vet, and gave it to him 8/26. So far so good. It seems to have done the job, but I also use flea traps, and treated the other cats as well. For most of the year, I was okay using (generic) Capstar and flea traps. -Original Message- From: Karen Harshbarger Sent: Aug 30, 2016 3:23 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver complications this month. I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I am struggling to save his brother Ash. Ash tested positive again this month (4 years ago tested positive once and then negative twice). However his blood work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing and going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no treatment or preventatives at this time. They only suggest another blood work check in one to 4 months and flea treatment. Ash and his brother have fleas. I know I must treat but that seems like when Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline twice. Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and blankets and cleaned their living quarters. I fear that the fleas or treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life. But I know I have to treat fleas too. I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work either. Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats. It has worked well for me for other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the feline leukemia. As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it was safer because it could be used on young kittens even. Ash is 4 1/2 years old and I know I have to do something about the fleas. Please let me know if you have used Vectra flea treatment. Or if you use something else successfully or don't use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia. Ash never goes outside, so I don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet or we brought the fleas in from outside on shoes, etc. Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of fleas that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not work, and I am so worried about anything with Ash with his positive on the feline leukemia test at the vet and after loosing Cole. My heart just cant loose another of my fur babies. Please Help!!! Thank you, Karen and kitties Ash and BJ and angle Cole ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
I'm having flea issues, as well. Mako went to a specialist (for non-FeLV related problems) and they recommended Comfortis. I had to order from Valley Vet, and gave it to him 8/26. So far so good. It seems to have done the job, but I also use flea traps, and treated the other cats as well. For most of the year, I was okay using (generic) Capstar and flea traps. -Original Message- From: Karen Harshbarger Sent: Aug 30, 2016 3:23 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver complications this month. I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I am struggling to save his brother Ash. Ash tested positive again this month (4 years ago tested positive once and then negative twice). However his blood work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing and going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no treatment or preventatives at this time. They only suggest another blood work check in one to 4 months and flea treatment.Ash and his brother have fleas. I know I must treat but that seems like when Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline twice.Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and blankets and cleaned their living quarters. I fear that the fleas or treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life. But I know I have to treat fleas too. I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work either. Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats. It has worked well for me for other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the feline leukemia. As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it was safer because it could be used on young kittens even. Ash is 4 1/2 years old and I know I have to do something about the fleas. Please let me know if you have used Vectra flea treatment. Or if you use something else successfully or don't use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia. Ash never goes outside, so I don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet or we brought the fleas in from outside on shoes, etc. Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of fleas that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not work, and I am so worried about anything with Ash with his positive on the feline leukemia test at the vet and after loosing Cole. My heart just cant loose another of my fur babies. Please Help!!!Thank you, Karen and kitties Ash and BJ and angle Cole ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
I stopped usiong any flea drops, collars when one of my cats began loosing hair around the sit of applicatio. They all had physical adverse signs so I stopped using them. I now have lemon grass and catnip which repels fleas and ticks and have not had a problem for the last 5 years. Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Karen > > While I don’t have any reason to believe there is a link between use of the > Frontline Flea treatment and Cole’s problems, it is probably wise to be > cautious with a medication which is absorbed internally and probably > processed through the liver, etc. Just hypothetically, it might be possible > that cats with FeLV which is in abeyance (their body has managed to hold off > on the worst of the problems) may have the balance tipped to the negative by > something that might stress their body and which might, in other cats, not > cause a problem. > > However, I definitely agree you MUST control the fleas for Ash. As you know, > one of the worst effects of the FeLV virus is to cause an anemia, and a flea > infestation will no doubt hasten or worsen that problem. Fleas also often > pass on the Bartonella parasite, which infects and destroys red cells in the > host animal and causes other problems. If Ash is doing okay, you don’t want > to tip that scale. > > I recently picked up 3 stray kittens who had fleas. They were very small (3-4 > weeks old) so I didn’t trust any of the absorbed treatments since I figured > their little livers may well be damaged by such early exposure. I therefore > purchased a flea spray which was supposed to remain on them, but again, I > didn’t want to do that. I didn’t want that type of exposure. I simply bathed > them, sprayed them with the flea spray, killed the fleas by hand as they > leapt off into the sink, and combed out the rest, and then I washed the > kittens completely off with organic shampoo. Despite washing them off, I > found a few remaining fleas for the next day or so but they were all dead or > dying. When I go home tonight, I will get the name of the product for you, > but I suspect you can do this with any of the spray on flea products. > > One thing I did years ago when we got a very bad flea infestation (thanks to > a woman who insisted the cats I was taking from her to adopt out were > defleaed already!), was that once I washed each cat, I had previously made > arrangements for friends to take one of them for a few weeks. My husband and > I were doing some heavy duty fostering at the time, so we had about 25 cats > in the house. One by one or two by two, I cleaned them off, bundled them off > to friends I had prearranged with, and then when the whole house was empty, > we washed whatever we could, and we used some heavy duty flea killer on > carpets, etc. and my husband and I spent a few nights at a motel room. We > never had any more flea problems after that. > > You only have one cat so if the problem is bad enough, I suggest something > along the lines of what we did. Find a friend or a relative who will take Ash > for a week or so, when he’s out, wash everything in sight, and buy some high > powered flea stuff and spray the house. Leave for a few days. > > Hopefully, it works as well for you as it did for us. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Karen Harshbarger > Sent: August-30-16 3:24 PM > To: Felvtalk > Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question > > As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver > complications this month. I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I > am struggling to save his brother Ash. Ash tested positive again this month > (4 years ago tested positive once and then negative twice). However his > blood work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing > and going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no > treatment or preventatives at this time. They only suggest another blood > work check in one to 4 months and flea treatment. > > Ash and his brother have fleas. I know I must treat but that seems like > when Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline > twice. > Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and > blankets and cleaned their living quarters. I fear that the fleas or > treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life. But I know I have > to treat fleas too. I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work > either. > > Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats. It has worked well for me > for other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the > feline leukem
Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
Hi Karen While I don’t have any reason to believe there is a link between use of the Frontline Flea treatment and Cole’s problems, it is probably wise to be cautious with a medication which is absorbed internally and probably processed through the liver, etc. Just hypothetically, it might be possible that cats with FeLV which is in abeyance (their body has managed to hold off on the worst of the problems) may have the balance tipped to the negative by something that might stress their body and which might, in other cats, not cause a problem. However, I definitely agree you MUST control the fleas for Ash. As you know, one of the worst effects of the FeLV virus is to cause an anemia, and a flea infestation will no doubt hasten or worsen that problem. Fleas also often pass on the Bartonella parasite, which infects and destroys red cells in the host animal and causes other problems. If Ash is doing okay, you don’t want to tip that scale. I recently picked up 3 stray kittens who had fleas. They were very small (3-4 weeks old) so I didn’t trust any of the absorbed treatments since I figured their little livers may well be damaged by such early exposure. I therefore purchased a flea spray which was supposed to remain on them, but again, I didn’t want to do that. I didn’t want that type of exposure. I simply bathed them, sprayed them with the flea spray, killed the fleas by hand as they leapt off into the sink, and combed out the rest, and then I washed the kittens completely off with organic shampoo. Despite washing them off, I found a few remaining fleas for the next day or so but they were all dead or dying. When I go home tonight, I will get the name of the product for you, but I suspect you can do this with any of the spray on flea products. One thing I did years ago when we got a very bad flea infestation (thanks to a woman who insisted the cats I was taking from her to adopt out were defleaed already!), was that once I washed each cat, I had previously made arrangements for friends to take one of them for a few weeks. My husband and I were doing some heavy duty fostering at the time, so we had about 25 cats in the house. One by one or two by two, I cleaned them off, bundled them off to friends I had prearranged with, and then when the whole house was empty, we washed whatever we could, and we used some heavy duty flea killer on carpets, etc. and my husband and I spent a few nights at a motel room. We never had any more flea problems after that. You only have one cat so if the problem is bad enough, I suggest something along the lines of what we did. Find a friend or a relative who will take Ash for a week or so, when he’s out, wash everything in sight, and buy some high powered flea stuff and spray the house. Leave for a few days. Hopefully, it works as well for you as it did for us. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Karen Harshbarger Sent: August-30-16 3:24 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver complications this month. I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I am struggling to save his brother Ash. Ash tested positive again this month (4 years ago tested positive once and then negative twice). However his blood work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing and going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no treatment or preventatives at this time. They only suggest another blood work check in one to 4 months and flea treatment. Ash and his brother have fleas. I know I must treat but that seems like when Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline twice. Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and blankets and cleaned their living quarters. I fear that the fleas or treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life. But I know I have to treat fleas too. I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work either. Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats. It has worked well for me for other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the feline leukemia. As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it was safer because it could be used on young kittens even. Ash is 4 1/2 years old and I know I have to do something about the fleas. Please let me know if you have used Vectra flea treatment. Or if you use something else successfully or don't use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia. Ash never goes outside, so I don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet or we brought the fleas in from outside on shoes, etc. Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of fleas that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not work, and I am so worried about anything wi
[Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver complications this month. I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as I am struggling to save his brother Ash. Ash tested positive again this month (4 years ago tested positive once and then negative twice). However his blood work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and playing and going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has recommended no treatment or preventatives at this time. They only suggest another blood work check in one to 4 months and flea treatment. Ash and his brother have fleas. I know I must treat but that seems like when Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline twice.Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and blankets and cleaned their living quarters. I fear that the fleas or treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life. But I know I have to treat fleas too. I have tried combing everyday, but that does not work either. Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats. It has worked well for me for other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the feline leukemia. As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it was safer because it could be used on young kittens even. Ash is 4 1/2 years old and I know I have to do something about the fleas. Please let me know if you have used Vectra flea treatment. Or if you use something else successfully or don't use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia. Ash never goes outside, so I don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet or we brought the fleas in from outside on shoes, etc. Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of fleas that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not work, and I am so worried about anything with Ash with his positive on the feline leukemia test at the vet and after loosing Cole. My heart just cant loose another of my fur babies. Please Help!!! Thank you, Karen and kitties Ash and BJ and angle Cole___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
Hi Marlene, Without more info, I can suggest starting DMG, if it isn't contraindicated with any of the other supplements you are using. My Mako fought so hard at a recent Vet visit (and this was new) that they decided not to stress him. My Vet said she had been reading about using Gabapentin as sedation for aggressive/fractious cats, and when I googled, this came up; http://vetanesthesiaspecialists.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/SerenityNowSedationOptions_Feline_ABVP2015_HeidiLShafford.pdf We had to get blood, he was spiraling downhill. So, we tried. He got 50 mgs (1/2 a capsule) in a small amount of baby food, an hour before his appointment, so about 1.5 hrs before the attempted blood draw. They got blood, and that sent us to the Vet Specialists. He got it for that appointment, as well, but 3 hours ahead. All went well there, too. There didn't seem to be any real side effects, he was quiet, but not overly so. He did have anesthesia for aspirates, and the gabapentin was not an issue. Even better, it's easily available at human pharmacies in 100mg caps, and was on the $4 list. HTH, Margo and Mako -Original Message- >From: Marlene Snowman >Sent: Aug 28, 2016 8:15 PM >To: Felv >Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > >Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice too. I >have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was just a little >more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet has yet been able >to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She isn't feral but her >dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength and fight to stay >alive. I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with astragalus and >ligustrum twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on antibiotics for a nose >and eye infection, not to mention the fleas, ear mites, tongue ulcers and >lacerations on her legs when I first rescued her but she hasn't been on >antibiotics for 4 months at least. (So antibiotics for most of her life). >She's gone from a pound to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a great improvement. The nose >infection has never cleared, so boogers are a constant, although more a yellow >to clear than the original greenish mucous. > >I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats >well, drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy. > >Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ? > >Thanks >Marlene > >Sent from my iPhone >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
I personally do not do lysine AT ALL. It was only ever really recommended for herpes, there's recent evidence it doesn't even work for that, and it reduces something else they need (can't remember right now). http://www.petmd.com/blogs/thedailyvet/ken-tudor/2014/august/feline-herpes-virus-bad-news-popular-treatment-31971 What I totally recommend, and so does my holistic vet: Raw or partially cooked diet. Standard Process Immune System Support. I've seen standard process clear up some nasty stuff. Kelley and Coco. On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Marlene Snowman wrote: > Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice > too. I have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was > just a little more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet > has yet been able to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She > isn't feral but her dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength > and fight to stay alive. I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with > astragalus and ligustrum twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on > antibiotics for a nose and eye infection, not to mention the fleas, ear > mites, tongue ulcers and lacerations on her legs when I first rescued her > but she hasn't been on antibiotics for 4 months at least. (So antibiotics > for most of her life). She's gone from a pound to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a > great improvement. The nose infection has never cleared, so boogers are a > constant, although more a yellow to clear than the original greenish mucous. > > I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats > well, drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy. > > Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ? > > Thanks > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Question
Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice too. I have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was just a little more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet has yet been able to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She isn't feral but her dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength and fight to stay alive. I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with astragalus and ligustrum twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on antibiotics for a nose and eye infection, not to mention the fleas, ear mites, tongue ulcers and lacerations on her legs when I first rescued her but she hasn't been on antibiotics for 4 months at least. (So antibiotics for most of her life). She's gone from a pound to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a great improvement. The nose infection has never cleared, so boogers are a constant, although more a yellow to clear than the original greenish mucous. I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats well, drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy. Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ? Thanks Marlene Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo
Thank you Margo! Yes, I will get her the one year now and then find someone who carries the 3 year. My vet actually trades vaccines with his wife at another clinic which is how he is getting me the one year. He said they don’t have a three year or his wife would have it. I told him he better check again because if her clients are requesting the one year I am absolutely sure they would want to know there is a three year available. And it equals out in cost if you are getting the Purevax yearly or every three years with less injections. I just can’t imagine a vet thinking they couldn’t sell a safer vaccine because of cost, if parents knew they had options I think many would choose the Purevax just like happened with your vet. *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Margo *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 12:42 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo Hi Rachel, Many (probably most) Vets are very leery of stocking the three year PureVax. They don't think people will pay the price which is, indeed, three times the price of the one year. My Vet does carry it, I use the three year where allowed. Initially they had it on a trial basis, but to their surprise, their clients were willing to pay. It is a financial hit, at about $65 for just rabies, and I'm in a not so wealthy area, but I guess some clients think it's worth it. They now carry both, as the first booster has to be with the one year or at least is only considered valid for one year. You might find that another clinic in your area carries it, and sometimes Vets will work together. Worth a phone call :) HTH, Margo -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner Sent: Jul 7, 2016 11:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be. I actually had a question for Margo. I am getting the one year Purevax rabies for Josie in a month. He said they only have a one year version and I would have to continue to get it every year if I go that route, but their three year version is shown as available on their website… confused. I have searched the web but am not finding much info on anyone using it. I e-mailed the company to see if they could send me info on it for my vet. Margo do you give the Purevax yearly? *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *swacht1...@comcast.net *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:39 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* [Felvtalk] messages Haven’t seen anything from FeLV in ages – been on it for over a year – updated regularly – now what Sandy “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” "I always thought someone should do something about that...then I realized I'm that someone" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo
Hi Rachel, Many (probably most) Vets are very leery of stocking the three year PureVax. They don't think people will pay the price which is, indeed, three times the price of the one year. My Vet does carry it, I use the three year where allowed. Initially they had it on a trial basis, but to their surprise, their clients were willing to pay. It is a financial hit, at about $65 for just rabies, and I'm in a not so wealthy area, but I guess some clients think it's worth it. They now carry both, as the first booster has to be with the one year or at least is only considered valid for one year. You might find that another clinic in your area carries it, and sometimes Vets will work together. Worth a phone call :)HTH,Margo-Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner Sent: Jul 7, 2016 11:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be. I actually had a question for Margo. I am getting the one year Purevax rabies for Josie in a month. He said they only have a one year version and I would have to continue to get it every year if I go that route, but their three year version is shown as available on their website… confused. I have searched the web but am not finding much info on anyone using it. I e-mailed the company to see if they could send me info on it for my vet. Margo do you give the Purevax yearly? From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of swacht1...@comcast.netSent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:39 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [Felvtalk] messages Haven’t seen anything from FeLV in ages – been on it for over a year – updated regularly – now what Sandy“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”"I always thought someone should do something about that...then I realized I'm that someone" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo
BRUSHING TEEETH: What did you do to get them to sit still for brushing? I tried letting them smell the toothpaste and they still do not want anything in their mouths. RABIES SHOTS: 3 OF MY CATS STAY INSIDE OR ON THE DECK AND HAVE NO CONTACT WITH OTHER ANIMALS. hARLEY MAKES A TOUR AROUND THE HOUSE AND RETIRES TO THE DECK TO SLEEP SO i HAVE NOT GIVEN ANYONE ANY SHOTS FOR 3 YEARS NOW. THE LAST TIME I DID, SHORTY HAD A REACTION, LOST A LOT OF HAIR AT THE SITE, SAME WITH ANTI FLEA STUFF. i NOW USE HERBS FOR FLEAS, TICKS AND LEMON GRASS AND CITRONELLA FOR MOSQUITOS. aLL ARE DOING WELL, NOT BRINGING IN ANY FLEAS OR TICKS. Rachel Dagner wrote: > Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with > FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves > cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits > for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be. > > > > I actually had a question for Margo. I am getting the one year Purevax > rabies for Josie in a month. He said they only have a one year version and > I would have to continue to get it every year if I go that route, but their > three year version is shown as available on their website… confused. I have > searched the web but am not finding much info on anyone using it. I > e-mailed the company to see if they could send me info on it for my vet. > Margo do you give the Purevax yearly? > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of > *swacht1...@comcast.net > *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:39 AM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] messages > > > > Haven’t seen anything from FeLV in ages – been on it for over a year – > updated regularly – now what > > > > > > Sandy > “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us > guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” > > "I always thought someone should do something about that...then I realized > I'm that someone" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] messages - And question for Margo
Yes, it’s been pretty quiet lately. Hopefully that means that members with FELV kitties are doing ok. My new kitty Josie is doing good. She loves cantaloupe and sits in the bathroom while I brush Daizy’s teeth and waits for her turn! I have so many pictures and videos she is cute as can be. I actually had a question for Margo. I am getting the one year Purevax rabies for Josie in a month. He said they only have a one year version and I would have to continue to get it every year if I go that route, but their three year version is shown as available on their website… confused. I have searched the web but am not finding much info on anyone using it. I e-mailed the company to see if they could send me info on it for my vet. Margo do you give the Purevax yearly? *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *swacht1...@comcast.net *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2016 11:39 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* [Felvtalk] messages Haven’t seen anything from FeLV in ages – been on it for over a year – updated regularly – now what Sandy “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.” "I always thought someone should do something about that...then I realized I'm that someone" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question for those with multiple FeLV+ cats (2 or more)
Harley & Brock have the run of an 850 sq. ft. garage/workshop that is attached to the house, but it is not insulated, therefore not heated, plus due to its size, heating would be difficult. I don't use it as a garage or workshop due to getting FeLV+ Milkdud 5 years ago. Some construction materials are stored there, otherwise I just keep adding things for the cats. There is a picnic table, a ladder and shelves to climb on, a Dogloo and a wooden dog house with heated pads and fluffy blankets, a couple of donut beds, rugs, toys, a deluxe cot with a comforter and a children's sleeping bag (Harley's favorite), and a lounge chair with a big sleeping bag. But I worried about Harley dealing with the cold when he came home to recover, so I set up an ice fishing shelter in the middle of the garage and put an infrared heater in it (cube kind that can't tip). I moved the cot & lounge chair in it, got a battery operated light/fan to hang from the ceiling, and put one litterbox in it so they can potty in comfort, and their water and kibble is in there too. Plus lots of toys. They love it, and I have been having fun "camping out" in there with them. I am looking for a portable TV to put in there too! I bought a bunch of new toys for them, and tonight I found that one of them (probably Harley) had brought an old toy inside the tent that had been left in a donut bed. I zipper the door shut, but leave just enough unzipped so they can go in and out as they please. In the main house, there are 12 cats that are FeLV negative. There is mostly an open floor plan, leaving no place in the house to keep the FeLV+ boys. The bedroom is reserved for 2 girls that don't always get along with others (one is very timid, the other will bully smaller girls except for her roommate). The bedroom door stays unlatched so the girls can come and go. I only latch it if Peaches goes into bully mode while out and about. Then I put her back in the room for a while and latch the door. One other cat has her own "fort" in the great room with a door in it that is too small for her nemesis to get through. The fort has 2 levels, 2 beds & a crate with a towel, food & water, 1 litterbox. Anaya has figured out when her nemesis Tressa sleeps, and comes out of her fort to explore then. None of the cats are allowed outside due to coyotes and other wildlife, plus it would be so expensive to put Frontline Plus on all of them. I used to allow Binky to go outside under supervision, but since Gabby died last year, Binky hasn't had much interest in going outside. Marsha On 12/30/2014 1:02 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My Annie (+) occassionaly sneezes, but I have put it down to dust, especially because he sneezes when the furnace kicks on. Usually 2 or 3 times and then no more. You say heated area is 9' x 9', is he not allowed the run of the house? Annie usually starts from the east end and slides into the west end. In fact, they all love that or they leap to the back of a chair, rocking it back and forth. my Harley has been frustated because I won't let him out in ran, snow. When I do let him out, he turns around or doesn't go out at all because he realizes it is WET out there. When this happens, he starts pouncing on the others and slinks away to bed because they do not want to play. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question for those with multiple FeLV+ cats (2 or more)
My Annie (+) occassionaly sneezes, but I have put it down to dust, especially because he sneezes when the furnace kicks on. Usually 2 or 3 times and then no more. You say heated area is 9' x 9', is he not allowed the run of the house? Annie usually starts from the east end and slides into the west end. In fact, they all love that or they leap to the back of a chair, rocking it back and forth. my Harley has been frustated because I won't let him out in ran, snow. When I do let him out, he turns around or doesn't go out at all because he realizes it is WET out there. When this happens, he starts pouncing on the others and slinks away to bed because they do not want to play. Marsha wrote: > Have you had one FeLV+ cat get a URI, but others did not get it? Brock > has not come down with the URI that Harley had. He sneezed a few times > early on, but no discharge or any other symptoms, so the very mild > sneezing may or may not have been a URI. Maybe just dust in the air. > Harley has an occasional sneeze now, but that's all, except he seems to > be less tolerant of cold, and is on a mission to make up for lost > playtime. This is a little frustrating for him, because the heated area > is only 9' x 9', and Harley likes to zoom across a bigger area, and go > skidding on a piece of cardboard. Plus Brock won't wrestle with him. > He was eyeing Brock night before last like he was going to "get" him, > and Brock cringed, but Harley decided Brock was no fun, and let him be. > > Marsha > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Question for those with multiple FeLV+ cats (2 or more)
Have you had one FeLV+ cat get a URI, but others did not get it? Brock has not come down with the URI that Harley had. He sneezed a few times early on, but no discharge or any other symptoms, so the very mild sneezing may or may not have been a URI. Maybe just dust in the air. Harley has an occasional sneeze now, but that's all, except he seems to be less tolerant of cold, and is on a mission to make up for lost playtime. This is a little frustrating for him, because the heated area is only 9' x 9', and Harley likes to zoom across a bigger area, and go skidding on a piece of cardboard. Plus Brock won't wrestle with him. He was eyeing Brock night before last like he was going to "get" him, and Brock cringed, but Harley decided Brock was no fun, and let him be. Marsha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New & have question
i HAVE STARTED OIL PULLING FOR MYSELF WITH COCONUT OIL. IT IS A GOOD ANTIBACTERIAL, ETC. AND MIGHT HELP YOUR CAT. I USE A TABLESPOON EACH DAY, IT TASTES GOOD AND MY HARLEY ALWAYS WANTS TO LICK MY FINGERS AFTERWARDS. (I JUST SCOOP A FINGER FULL (ABOUT 1 TABLESPOON) AND PUT IT IN MY MOUTH.) Lance wrote: > I don’t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward oral > health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET makes pet > dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should bring > up their site. I believe they’re owned by Virbac. > > After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and DMG > (both are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I often gave > her Prescription Diet t/d as a “treat”. We rarely had any gum or teeth > issues, though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be good for > a kitty already dealing with any mouth pain. > > Best wishes for you and the calico kitten, > > Lance > > On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test and > > this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+. I have 7 other cats and have done > > rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs. We are waiting on IFA results now. I > > was reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote > > oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post. Can > > someone help me with that info? Am waiting on labs now to decide on course > > of treatment. Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. > > Thanks, Susan > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New & have question
Hi Susan, It's not a supplement, but I think I posted a link a while back about the use of Virbagen Omega in FeLV+ cats with stomatitis: http://www.dentistvet.com/docs/Gingivostomatitis-Veterinary-InfoApr2012.pdf I haven't tried it yet, but may consider after Harley's next checkup. Last one he was showing what looked to be early stomatitis, but all his bloodwork was great, and it doesn't bother him to eat either kibble or canned. Or the occasional mouse that gets in the garage. Currently doing only Vetri-DMG and Vita-chews. Marsha On 8/11/2014 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes wrote: Hi everyone, I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test and this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+. I have 7 other cats and have done rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs. We are waiting on IFA results now. I was reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post. Can someone help me with that info? Am waiting on labs now to decide on course of treatment. Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. Thanks, Susan ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New & have question
Not specifically for oral health but my holistic vet has both my felv+ kitties on standard process veterinary formula feline immune support tablets. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes wrote: > > Hi everyone, > I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test and > this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+. I have 7 other cats and have done > rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs. We are waiting on IFA results now. I was > reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote oral > health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post. Can someone > help me with that info? Am waiting on labs now to decide on course of > treatment. Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. > Thanks, Susan > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New & have question
I don’t know of any supplements that are specifically geared toward oral health. Someone else may have some helpful info. I know that CET makes pet dental products, including a water additive. Googling for them should bring up their site. I believe they’re owned by Virbac. After she tested positive, I gave my FeLV+ girl interferon alpha and DMG (both are general immune system boosters) for most of her life. I often gave her Prescription Diet t/d as a “treat”. We rarely had any gum or teeth issues, though she did need several cleanings. The t/d would not be good for a kitty already dealing with any mouth pain. Best wishes for you and the calico kitten, Lance On Aug 11, 2014, at 9:06 PM, Susan Grimes wrote: > Hi everyone, > I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test and > this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+. I have 7 other cats and have done > rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs. We are waiting on IFA results now. I was > reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote oral > health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post. Can someone > help me with that info? Am waiting on labs now to decide on course of > treatment. Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. > Thanks, Susan > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] New & have question
Hi everyone, I have a 4 month old calico that just retested for a FIV+ original test and this week she tested FIV- and FeLV+. I have 7 other cats and have done rescue/foster work the last 3 yrs. We are waiting on IFA results now. I was reading the archives and read something about supplements to promote oral health/for stomatitis (?) now I can't seem to find that post. Can someone help me with that info? Am waiting on labs now to decide on course of treatment. Currently on Immunostim drops and Lysine treats. Thanks, Susan___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax
I had the same thing happen this past year in October when I moved Bunny, a rescue who had turned from positive to negative and had stayed negative for 3 months after into my home office where two of my other cats reside because one of them had an eye infection that needed treatment and then I found that his sister was hiding in a kitchen drawer, terrified of the rest of my inside cat community. Well, Bunny lived a year with Samson and Delilah. This past October, she began acting tired, eating less and sleeping more and no longer pestering Samson and Delilah or sleeping with us on the bed. It took a week for me to realize that something was very wrong. I took her to the vet and she tested positive for FeLv. She passed away less than a week later, in spite of intense antibiotic treatment and supportive vitamin injections. I am left with the question of did either of the other two cats or both contract the disease? I am not going to test because there is nothing I can do if they did contract it and I don't have the financial resources to pay for tests. I do not vaccinate because I have had the experience both with cats and myself that vaccines can do more harm than good. Also, I tend to agree with the "barn door" theory that the vet put out. None of the other cats in the other part of the house were exposed, except by me walking back and forth. I washed my hands frequently so as not to pass the disease around, if that is possible. I am just going to allow Sam and Dee to live the best quality lives they can and hope for the best and longest time they can enjoy their stay on this planet. Fortunately, cats do not agonize about illness or death like humans do so they are blissfully happy, as was Bunny before the disaster struck. It was a blessing that she was not ill for long. She was feeling chipper up until two weeks before the FeLv returned and then the downhill slide was quick. I was with her the whole time. I did not isolate her but kept her in her familiar environment where she slept most of the time in a prepared bed on the floor until she slept forever. On Saturday, January 11, 2014 12:24 PM, Margo wrote: > > >Hi KG > > I'm not sure I understand, so bear with me. Is the newly positive cat from the colony? If so, what are your plans, depending an the results? How many cats are you talking about? I went thru the same dilemma last year, and it was not easy. Short version, I talked to my Vet, and did a LOT of research about vaccinating and testing. For the group of cats that were living with the positive cat, her opinion on vaccinating them was "that ship has sailed". They'd been together for more than 2 years, so she felt any transmission would have already occurred. She did want to test them, but I declined. Couldn't see the benefit. Of course, when anyone gets sick, they will be tested, as I now handle the +'s differently. They remain separate from the other groups. I have added two cats to the group, both were vaccinated, twice, before introduction. I would vaccinate twice, 3 weeks apart. I have not found any source that indicates that a single vaccine in an adult is enough, but that may be a judgment call. > >The Snap takes three drops of blood per test, so you need to be able to draw >blood. Ear nicks probably won't do, unfortunately. > >http://www.drugs.com/vet/snap-combo-felv-ag-fiv-antibody-test-kit.html > >The well tests say they can be done with saliva, which might be easier, but I >have read they are not always as accurate that way. > >Assure >http://www.amazon.com/Synbiotics-ASSURE-Leukemia-Virus-Antigen/dp/B00061MOCU > > Both are available at Revival; > >http://www.revivalanimal.com/?ic_location=header&ic_name=homelogo > > but may be cheaper elsewhere. > > Has the newly positive cat been re-tested? I'd wait a month and >test again, at least. False positives can occur. I did vaccinate everyone who >might come into casual contact, because that was much cheaper than re-testing >AND vaccinating. > >I wish you the best. I thought I had a houseful of confirmed negative cats, >and then this. Heartbreaking. > >Margo > > > >-Original Message- >>From: KG BarnCats >>Sent: Jan 11, 2014 10:26 AM >>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >>Subject: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax >> >>Seeking advice and best places to shop. >> >>In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a >>large colony of cats. These are all fixed, all previously tested >>negative and mostly adult. They range from friendly to full feral. >>A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back. >> >>One previously negative diabetic cat h
Re: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax
Hi KG I'm not sure I understand, so bear with me. Is the newly positive cat from the colony? If so, what are your plans, depending an the results? How many cats are you talking about? I went thru the same dilemma last year, and it was not easy. Short version, I talked to my Vet, and did a LOT of research about vaccinating and testing. For the group of cats that were living with the positive cat, her opinion on vaccinating them was "that ship has sailed". They'd been together for more than 2 years, so she felt any transmission would have already occurred. She did want to test them, but I declined. Couldn't see the benefit. Of course, when anyone gets sick, they will be tested, as I now handle the +'s differently. They remain separate from the other groups. I have added two cats to the group, both were vaccinated, twice, before introduction. I would vaccinate twice, 3 weeks apart. I have not found any source that indicates that a single vaccine in an adult is enough, but that may be a judgment call. The Snap takes three drops of blood per test, so you need to be able to draw blood. Ear nicks probably won't do, unfortunately. http://www.drugs.com/vet/snap-combo-felv-ag-fiv-antibody-test-kit.html The well tests say they can be done with saliva, which might be easier, but I have read they are not always as accurate that way. Assure http://www.amazon.com/Synbiotics-ASSURE-Leukemia-Virus-Antigen/dp/B00061MOCU Both are available at Revival; http://www.revivalanimal.com/?ic_location=header&ic_name=homelogo but may be cheaper elsewhere. Has the newly positive cat been re-tested? I'd wait a month and test again, at least. False positives can occur. I did vaccinate everyone who might come into casual contact, because that was much cheaper than re-testing AND vaccinating. I wish you the best. I thought I had a houseful of confirmed negative cats, and then this. Heartbreaking. Margo -Original Message- >From: KG BarnCats >Sent: Jan 11, 2014 10:26 AM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Subject: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax > >Seeking advice and best places to shop. > >In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a >large colony of cats. These are all fixed, all previously tested >negative and mostly adult. They range from friendly to full feral. >A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back. > >One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested >positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two >months. I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet. >So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax. > >Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood >drop from the ear? (similar to getting blood for blood glucose >testing). Is special equipment required to run the test? Best source >for bulk test kits? > >Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials >on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source >for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it. > >Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys >protection for cats over 6 more? I recall reading on cat info.org >that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4 >months. My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of >potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at >least for FVRCP. > >Thanks in advance. > >Kg > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax
In terms of testing, you can buy bulk tests, I think my group paid about $12/test when we did, but we had to buy $400 worth. I think you need to take blood from a vein. We never bought our own again. Since they live together, you can ask the vet to do batch tests. Our vet does that with kittens from the same litter. You can see if your vet will do adults living together. They mix the blood of up to 3 or 4 together and then do a test with that. If it's negative then they are all negative. If it's positive, you need to then test those cats individually to see whose blood the antibodies came from. There is some controversy over whether this is something vets should be doing. But I think in your case it might be a good option. For vaccinations, do you mean FVRCP (distemper, rhino, calici) which is what you wrote, or do you mean FeLV vax? Because the answer is different depending which you meant. Michelle -Original Message- From: KG BarnCats To: felvtalk Sent: Sat, Jan 11, 2014 10:27 am Subject: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax Seeking advice and best places to shop. In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a large colony of cats. These are all fixed, all previously tested negative and mostly adult. They range from friendly to full feral. A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back. One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two months. I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet. So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax. Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood drop from the ear? (similar to getting blood for blood glucose testing). Is special equipment required to run the test? Best source for bulk test kits? Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it. Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys protection for cats over 6 more? I recall reading on cat info.org that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4 months. My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at least for FVRCP. Thanks in advance. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax
Seeking advice and best places to shop. In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a large colony of cats. These are all fixed, all previously tested negative and mostly adult. They range from friendly to full feral. A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back. One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two months. I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet. So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax. Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood drop from the ear? (similar to getting blood for blood glucose testing). Is special equipment required to run the test? Best source for bulk test kits? Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it. Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys protection for cats over 6 more? I recall reading on cat info.org that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4 months. My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at least for FVRCP. Thanks in advance. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question
With FelV cats you don't wait around. Get her to the vet! Lorrie On 09-30, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: >My FeLeuk girl has been pretty asymptomatic for quite >a while. Now she is starting to wet the bed. Has that >happened to any of your guys, and if so, what does it >mean? > >Thanks-Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Time for a vet check. Without any more info than this I would lean toward a possible UTI or a kiney problem as my first guesses. Gary From: cer...@new.rr.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] a question My FeLeuk girl has been pretty asymptomatic for quite a while. Now she is starting to wet the bed. Has that happened to any of your guys, and if so, what does it mean? Thanks-Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] a question
My FeLeuk girl has been pretty asymptomatic for quite a while. Now she is starting to wet the bed. Has that happened to any of your guys, and if so, what does it mean? Thanks-Chris C.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Lee makes a point, You probably do not want to mix a FL+ cat with others if that cat is a fighter. My Pookie is a "total" marshmellow. And he doesn't even like to mingle with the other cats. He'll be in the same room with them, but never grooms or lies next to them. Also this summer when he was symptomatic, he was separated into his own room. I have heard that what most often kills FL+ cats is an infection that they cannot fight because the virus attacks their immune system. My holistic vet, besides the accupuncture, has proscribed Wei Qi (Way chee) for his immune system. He is also on Standard Process Feline Immune System Support. The regular vets will not know about these (sadly). The Baytril (regular vet) knock out what secondary infection he came up with, and the accupuncture and these other herbs brought him to full health. Because the holistic vet was so helpful, I would recommend them to anyone. No kiddingone day he was not eating and running a tempthe day after the accupuncture, he jumped on my lap, had a cold nose, and started eating. I don't care how it works.but it did for him. Grateful mom.. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Lee Evans wrote: What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my general group as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow personality who does not fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two feline leukemia positive cats for over two years. They lived together in a separate room with each other. They were perfectly healthy for those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. One passed away quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The other simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the edge. He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are the most likely two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when the disease goes active. I also found a wonderful person who had had losses from feline leukemia but was willing to go through the heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at life. One of the cats I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I begged her to take ( I think she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster another FeLv+ cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has been 6 years and counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws crossed. From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing Hi, Thanks for describing your cats' histories. Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting? However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote: From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV "shelter", a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly. -
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my general group as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow personality who does not fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two feline leukemia positive cats for over two years. They lived together in a separate room with each other. They were perfectly healthy for those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. One passed away quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The other simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the edge. He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are the most likely two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when the disease goes active. I also found a wonderful person who had had losses from feline leukemia but was willing to go through the heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at life. One of the cats I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I begged her to take ( I think she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster another FeLv+ cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has been 6 years and counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws crossed. > > From: Shelley Theye >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:39 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > >Hi, >Thanks for describing your cats' histories. >Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting? >> However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. >> Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. > >Shelley > > >On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > >> >> >> From: Lee Evans >> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >> >> You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is >> as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in >> with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, >> grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter >> boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. >> They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout >> their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they >> had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested >> again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I >> could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, >> they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the >> bone marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down >> and their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV "shelter", a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly. >> >> >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Hi, Thanks for describing your cats' histories. Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting? > However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. > Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > > > From: Lee Evans > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as > contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in > with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, > grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter > boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. > They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout > their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had > tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again > to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I could > possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, they > both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone > marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down and > their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They passed away > quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV "shelter", a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly. > > From: "trustinhi...@charter.net" > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > Shelley.. > > I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully > vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. > Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the > virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't > afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13). All my cats mingle > together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues > tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was > encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves > with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 > years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious > about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you > have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests > are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will > always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But > he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 > (she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough > antibodies built up by then, they never will! Maybe I am lucky, or just > stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Thanks Lee, that's interesting. Hadn't thought about a limited contact scenario before. So sorry to hear about your own negative vaccine experience. Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > To answer if the foster mom has her cats vaccinated, NO. However, Taffy has > her own litter box and own feeding bowl and only mingles with the other cats > for a short time during the day, then back to her room with her pooch friend. > I'm not too keen on vaccines. I have heard nasty things about the FeLv > vaccine, like cats have come down with the disease a few weeks after being > vaccinated and had no other source of being infected. I have also had a > personal experience with a faulty polio vaccination when I was a teen. It > left me with nerve damage which has not improved with age but at least I > wasn't paralyzed, just in pain for a couple of years while my muscles gained > strength with physical therapy. Vaccines are not the perfect answer to > everything. > > > From: Shelley Theye > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > Hi Lee, > > Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn > negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then > again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. > Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? > > Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their > negatives vaccinated for FeLV? > > Shelley > > > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > > > Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats > > rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have > > had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, > > around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted > > after neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He > > tested negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another > > vet. Still positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months > > and then re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet > > medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned > > negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet > > another test and he was again negative. He's still with me. > > > > Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex > > (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year > > old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I > > put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested > > positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 > > months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got > > her spayed. > > > > However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten > > brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. > > They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, > > she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with > > a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still > > tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom > > loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that > > Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and > > gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is > > perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. > > > > The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that > > Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus > > as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a > > little street stray. > > > > > > From: Shelley Theye > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > > > Lee, > > > > Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have > > that threw off the virus? > > Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have > > had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months > > before they ever were tested? > > > > Shelley > > > >
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Thanks Sharly. I am nervous to intentionally mix, but I don't want Leo to be alone forever. My other cats have never received the FeLV vaccine so far. Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Sharyl wrote: > Shelly all I can d I tell you what I did. When I was rescuing FeLV kittens I > did have all my negatives vaccinated. It has been over 3 years since my last > FeLV cat died. All of my negatives are still with me and are fine > > Sharyl > > From: Shelley Theye > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > Hi Lee, > > Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn > negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then > again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. > Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? > > Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their > negatives vaccinated for FeLV? > > Shelley > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
bedroom and >>> gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is >>> perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. >>> >>> The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that >>> Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus >>> as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a >>> little street stray. >>> >>> >>> From: Shelley Theye >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >>> >>> Lee, >>> >>> Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have >>> that threw off the virus? >>> Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have >>> had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months >>> before they ever were tested? >>> >>> Shelley >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: >>> >>>> I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in >>>> about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or >>>> may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not >>>> fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too >>>> bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect >>>> advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really >>>> should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test >>>> does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and >>>> feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with >>>> cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Betheny Laubenthal >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM >>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >>>> >>>> What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be >>>> done so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can >>>> be inaccurate. >>>> The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. >>>> We did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the >>>> kitten and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. >>>> She was PTS before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. >>>> Miles and Journey were the only ones left. >>>> Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the >>>> ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think >>>> that her dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. >>>> What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with >>>> feline leukemia, killed virus. >>>> --Beth >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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MY ANNIE STIL TESTS POSITIVE, BUT SHE IS SO HEALTHY IT IS RIDUCULUS. THE NEGATIVE CATS GET FELV VACCINE. THEY EAT, DRINK AND PLAY TOGETHER, SQUABBLE SOMETIMES, BUT JUST SLAPPING AND HISSING, NO BITTING. trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: > Shelley.. > > I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully > vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. > Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the > virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't > afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13). All my cats mingle > together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues > tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was > encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves > with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 > years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious > about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you > have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests > are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will > always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But > he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 > (she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough > antibodies built up by then, they never will! Maybe I am lucky, or just > stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home. > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Shelley Theye wrote: > > > Hi Lee, > > > > Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still > > turn negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and > > neutered, and then again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am > > thinking of doing the IFA too. Does the woman who has Taffy have all > > of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? > > > > Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their > > negatives vaccinated for FeLV? > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > > > >> Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were > >> cats rescued from different places at different times. One, a male > >> who I have had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was > >> not neutered, around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going > >> to get him adopted after neutering, I had him tested before I took > >> him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but positive for > >> FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet > >> suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy > >> was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, > >> took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say > >> that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test > >> and he was again negative. He's still with me. > >> > >> Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex > >> (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a > >> year old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, > >> Bunny. I put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. > >> She tested positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, > >> re-tested in about 3 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be > >> sure. Negative again so got her spayed. > >> However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued > >> kitten brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in > >> Bulverde Texas. They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. > >> When they tested her, she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, > >> found her a foster home with a wonderful foster mom, who kept her > >> isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive at the end of > >> the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and although > >> Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, > >> Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to > >> socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is > >> perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. > >> > >> The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect > >> that Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not
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From: Lee Evans >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > > >You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as >contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in with >8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, grooming each >other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter boxes. They lived >in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, >around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their lifetime when >each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had tested negative both >times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again to see if they were >not suffering from old age but from something I could possibly treat. Along >with the fact that they both had renal failure, they both tested positive for >FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but >when their immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, >the virus took hold also. They passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV "shelter", a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly. > > > > >> >> From: "trustinhi...@charter.net" >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:22 PM >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >> >> >>Shelley.. >> >>I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully >>vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. >>Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the >>virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't >>afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13). All my cats mingle >>together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues >>tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was >>encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves >>with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 >>years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious >>about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you >>have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests >>are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will >>always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But >>he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 >>(she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough >>antibodies built up by then, they never will! Maybe I am lucky, or just >>stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home. >>___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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To answer if the foster mom has her cats vaccinated, NO. However, Taffy has her own litter box and own feeding bowl and only mingles with the other cats for a short time during the day, then back to her room with her pooch friend. I'm not too keen on vaccines. I have heard nasty things about the FeLv vaccine, like cats have come down with the disease a few weeks after being vaccinated and had no other source of being infected. I have also had a personal experience with a faulty polio vaccination when I was a teen. It left me with nerve damage which has not improved with age but at least I wasn't paralyzed, just in pain for a couple of years while my muscles gained strength with physical therapy. Vaccines are not the perfect answer to everything. > > From: Shelley Theye >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:03 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > >Hi Lee, > >Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn >negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then >again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. >Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? > >Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their >negatives vaccinated for FeLV? > >Shelley > > > >On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > >> Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats >> rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had >> not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age >> 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after >> neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested >> negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still >> positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then >> re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I >> did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say >> that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he >> was again negative. He's still with me. >> >> Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex >> (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year >> old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I >> put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested >> positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 >> months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got >> her spayed. >> >> However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten >> brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. >> They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, >> she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with >> a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still >> tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom >> loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that >> Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and >> gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is >> perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. >> >> The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that >> Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus >> as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little >> street stray. >> >> >> From: Shelley Theye >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >> >> Lee, >> >> Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have >> that threw off the virus? >> Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had >> the FeLV virus for more than 2 months >> before they ever were tested? >> >> Shelley >> >> >> >> On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: >> >> > I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in >> > about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or >> > may not have been actually positive. Since
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Shelly all I can d I tell you what I did. When I was rescuing FeLV kittens I did have all my negatives vaccinated. It has been over 3 years since my last FeLV cat died. All of my negatives are still with me and are fine Sharyl From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing Hi Lee, Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their negatives vaccinated for FeLV? Shelley___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Shelley.. I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13). All my cats mingle together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 (she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough antibodies built up by then, they never will! Maybe I am lucky, or just stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Shelley Theye wrote: Hi Lee, Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their negatives vaccinated for FeLV? Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he was again negative. He's still with me. Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little street stray. From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing Lee, Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have that threw off the virus? Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months before they ever were tested? Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for a
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Hi Lee, Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their negatives vaccinated for FeLV? Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats > rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had > not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age > 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after > neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested > negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still > positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then > re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I > did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say > that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he > was again negative. He's still with me. > > Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex > (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old > when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her > in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for > FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she > tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. > > However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten > brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They > tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she > tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a > wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still > tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom > loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that > Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets > to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly > happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. > > The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that > Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as > a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little > street stray. > > > From: Shelley Theye > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > Lee, > > Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have > that threw off the virus? > Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had > the FeLV virus for more than 2 months > before they ever were tested? > > Shelley > > > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > > > I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in > > about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or > > may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully > > developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad > > about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect > > advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really > > should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test > > does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and > > feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly > > dog is the best for this type of kitten. > > > > > > From: Betheny Laubenthal > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > > > What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done > > so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be > > inaccurate. > > The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We > > did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten > > and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She > > was PTS before we c
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
I can't be so hard on Vets anymore. Getting thru Vet school can't educate where the whole disease process is so little understood. I have researched FeLV up down and sideways, and NOTHING is certain. Two years ago I had a house full of negative cats. All my FL cats (we moved to SC) had been tested at LEAST twice. No new cat (2) was added without a doubly negative (60 days apart) FeLV test. One of the new ones was my first symptomatic +. I now have 2 positives, and probably two others, as well. I'm now (to my great distress) vaccinating against it. Can't figure out what else to do. Margo -Original Message- >From: trustinhi...@charter.net >Sent: Sep 24, 2013 1:09 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > >I agree with Lee completely. It angers me that someone can get through >Vet school and still not be knowledgable about this disease. I rescued a >male cat, two years old, and only then learned he was FelV+ after he was >neutered. He has thrown off the virus twice. He is over 6 now. mingels >with my other rescues and no one has gotten sick. Killing kittens >becasue they carry the virus (or some test says they ahve it) is >irresponsible. > > >On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > >> I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in >> about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may >> or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is >> not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as >> adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such >> ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, >> then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person who >> understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be >> killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A >> home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this >> type of kitten. >> >> >> >> >> >>> ____ >>> From: Betheny Laubenthal >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 >>> PM >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >>> >>> >>> >>> What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can >>> be done so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, >>> it can be inaccurate. >>> The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July >>> 16. We did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We >>> pulled the kitten and her sister from another state. Mom was in a >>> high kill shelter. She was PTS before we could rescue her. The rest >>> of the litter was PTS. Miles and Journey were the only ones left. >>> Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS >>> (the ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the >>> owner think that her dogs could get it). I was called after the >>> fact. >>> What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way >>> with feline leukemia, killed virus. >>> --Beth >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
I agree with Lee completely. It angers me that someone can get through Vet school and still not be knowledgable about this disease. I rescued a male cat, two years old, and only then learned he was FelV+ after he was neutered. He has thrown off the virus twice. He is over 6 now. mingels with my other rescues and no one has gotten sick. Killing kittens becasue they carry the virus (or some test says they ahve it) is irresponsible. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten. From: Betheny Laubenthal To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be inaccurate. The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She was PTS before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. Miles and Journey were the only ones left. Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that her dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with feline leukemia, killed virus. --Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he was again negative. He's still with me. Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little street stray. > > From: Shelley Theye >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > >Lee, > >Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have >that threw off the virus? >Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had >the FeLV virus for more than 2 months >before they ever were tested? > >Shelley > > > >On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > >> I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about >> 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not >> have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully >> developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad >> about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect >> advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really >> should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test >> does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and >> feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly >> dog is the best for this type of kitten. >> >> >> From: Betheny Laubenthal >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >> >> What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done >> so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be >> inaccurate. >> The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We >> did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten >> and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She was >> PTS before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. Miles and >> Journey were the only ones left. >> Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill >> informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that >> her dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. >> What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with >> feline leukemia, killed virus. >> --Beth >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/li
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Lee, Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have that threw off the virus? Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months before they ever were tested? Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about > 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not > have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully > developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad > about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. > Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find > them a home with a person who understands that a positive test does not mean > the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let > them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for > this type of kitten. > > > From: Betheny Laubenthal > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done > so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be > inaccurate. > The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We > did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten > and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She was > PTS before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. Miles and > Journey were the only ones left. > Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill > informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that > her dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. > What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with > feline leukemia, killed virus. > --Beth > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten. > > From: Betheny Laubenthal >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM >Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > > >What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done so >that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be inaccurate. >The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We >did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten and >her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She was PTS >before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. Miles and >Journey were the only ones left. >Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill >informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that her >dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. >What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with >feline leukemia, killed virus. >--Beth >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be inaccurate. The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She was PTS before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. Miles and Journey were the only ones left. Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that her dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with feline leukemia, killed virus. --Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] IFA/PCR and question about missing emails
Hi, Thanks for the replies to my initial question. Lots of good insight regarding testing. I didn't realize about the PCR's showing regressive infection, thanks Lance. Does that mean same as latent? I just have one positive cat, so the test expense is something I would spring for if it might help me decide on whether to integrate him with my negative cats or get him a friend I didn't see a few of these responses until I looked at the archives- Which brings me to another question- I was wondering if anyone else has problems receiving all the emails from this list? It seems like I receive some and not others, because sometimes I receive an email that is in response to another email that I never received. Not sure how some are falling through the cracks. Not in my junk mail folder either. Shelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
JUST BE SURE THAT THE BBY FOOD HAS NO ONION OR GARLIC IN IT. Maryam Ulomi wrote: > You might also try adding some baby food to the food to feed her. Some cats > go crazy for baby food. > > Sent from my iPhone. > > On May 1, 2013, at 14:50, wrote: > > > Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have > > that worry alleviated so soon. > > > > I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does > > look delicious! > > > > Thanks again-Chris C. > > > > > > From: Lance > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two > > > > My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had > > changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it > > indicating the progress of the disease. > > > > I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's > > definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably > > easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to > > me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very > > appealing to them. > > > > This site has some good ideas: > > > > http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: > > > >> I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, > >> so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. > >> > >> I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is > >> not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a > >> random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage > >> she is in, or anything else. > >> > >> Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different > >> dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was > >> small to begin with. > >> > >> Thanks so much! > >> > >> Chris C. > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
Yes, I will. She sees my own vet next Monday for a consult. Thanks-Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two It's always a good idea to discuss any symptoms with Raja's vet. They may want to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist or other specialist just to confirm that nothing else is going on. On May 1, 2013, at 1:50 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
Lance Glad to hear your little Ember is doing okay! I know she was having a hard time last week. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two It's always a good idea to discuss any symptoms with Raja's vet. They may want to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist or other specialist just to confirm that nothing else is going on. On May 1, 2013, at 1:50 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It's wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I've seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance <mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I've tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
I have a rescued male like that. I've had him at least 5 years now, and our vet never indicated it was a problem. He eats well and is in excellent health otherwise. Lorrie On 05-01, Lance wrote: >My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had >changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything >about it indicating the progress of the disease. > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
It's always a good idea to discuss any symptoms with Raja's vet. They may want to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist or other specialist just to confirm that nothing else is going on. On May 1, 2013, at 1:50 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: > Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have > that worry alleviated so soon. > > I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does > look delicious! > > Thanks again-Chris C. > > > From: Lance > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two > > My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed > quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it > indicating the progress of the disease. > > I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's > definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably > easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me > here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very > appealing to them. > > This site has some good ideas: > > http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm > > On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: > >> I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, >> so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. >> >> I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is >> not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a >> random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage >> she is in, or anything else. >> >> Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different >> dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was >> small to begin with. >> >> Thanks so much! >> >> Chris C. >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
Baby food works for a day or two. Just be sure to avoid those that have garlic or onion, as those ingredients are not good for cats. On May 1, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Maryam Ulomi wrote: > You might also try adding some baby food to the food to feed her. Some cats > go crazy for baby food. > > Sent from my iPhone. > > On May 1, 2013, at 14:50, wrote: > >> Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have >> that worry alleviated so soon. >> >> I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does >> look delicious! >> >> Thanks again-Chris C. >> >> >> From: Lance >> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two >> >> My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had >> changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it >> indicating the progress of the disease. >> >> I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's >> definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably >> easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to >> me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very >> appealing to them. >> >> This site has some good ideas: >> >> http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm >> >> On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: >> >>> I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, >>> so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. >>> >>> I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is >>> not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a >>> random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage >>> she is in, or anything else. >>> >>> Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different >>> dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was >>> small to begin with. >>> >>> Thanks so much! >>> >>> Chris C. >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
You might also try adding some baby food to the food to feed her. Some cats go crazy for baby food. Sent from my iPhone. On May 1, 2013, at 14:50, wrote: > Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have > that worry alleviated so soon. > > I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does > look delicious! > > Thanks again-Chris C. > > > From: Lance > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two > > My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed > quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it > indicating the progress of the disease. > > I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's > definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably > easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me > here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very > appealing to them. > > This site has some good ideas: > > http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm > > On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: > >> I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, >> so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. >> >> I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is >> not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a >> random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage >> she is in, or anything else. >> >> Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different >> dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was >> small to begin with. >> >> Thanks so much! >> >> Chris C. >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It’s wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I’ve seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: > I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, > so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. > > I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is > not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a > random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage > she is in, or anything else. > > Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different > dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was > small to begin with. > > Thanks so much! > > Chris C. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] a question....or two
I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I’ve tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/QUESTION
mailmail pg - Hi. Reading your email, how do you get the free food. I still don't quite understand. You also vet them as you said. Please explain. Are they ferals that you have trapped and kept indoors? Or do you mean that you trap them, neuter and release and vet them when necessary? Sorry - I did not understand and am trying to learn some things so that I can help my 7 outdoor cats. dotty From: MaiMaiPG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? The cats get free food, shelter and the best care we can provide cats that have to be trapped to be vetted. I can provide worming and some other things without touching them but they are cautiousas they should be. It has kept them alive for a long time and allowed them to have a good life ... not the life I would like for them but the life they are born to. If they are going to eat and enjoy the protection we can give them, they make the trip to the vet. Some have managed to avoid trapping for really long times but I do insist and, eventually, they make that trip. We don't have a lot of money either so I do understand. Right now there are 6 ferals plus those who wander by and go on. We don't belong to a program either. We just believe this is something we need to do. Otherwise there would be zillions of cats/kittens here and finding homes is almost impossible. I have always had house cats who were feral at one time and consider them the smartest of cats but they are all very independent...even those that came in when they were very little kittens. Unfortunately, most people want cats who are lap cats or less independent or whatever and don't want to spend the time necessary with ferals. On Aug 28, 2012, at 3:21 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. > > > > > From: MaiMaiPG >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight > > >Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of >free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I >moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at >that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed >ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will >probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. > >On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: > >Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - >I didn't see any replies. >>I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat >>feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. >>I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and >>will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the >>cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the >>newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility >>would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I >>also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, >>how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this >>cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I >>can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks >> >> >> >> >> From: Marta Gasper >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? >> >> >>I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other >>conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it >>for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we >>lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from >>the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein >>content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded >>that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his >>sister also got a FIP dx,
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Maureen- Maybe she will be one of the lucky ones who fights it off. Whether she does or not, I will always be ready to take her and love her for as long as she has. I am willing to bet she and Koko Kitty (the blind terror) would totally tear the house apart playing with each other. Add in the 75# Samoyed mix, Polar Bear and the puppy, Charlie and I will pitch a tent to live in and give them the house! If you keep her that is great but be sure I would LOVE to give her a home with my fur babies if you aren't able to. Let me know how she does no matter what your decision! Kat On 11/19/11, Maureen Olvey wrote: > > Thanks Kat. > > I can keep her but I'd rather not because my house is full of foster > failures as it is! I love them all but I wish I could have found homes for > more of them. If for some reason I can't find her a home then she can > always stay with me. Don't worry, I won't be putting her down. > > I'll definitely think about your offer though. I might need a nice drive to > KY or OH to get away from my mad house for a few days ;-) Really > though, I will think about it. I have a couple of friends with family up > that way so I might find out when they're heading up. I'll let you know. > You would totally love her. She is so sweet. She really loves attention > and follows me around. Kind of a laid back little girl. She likes to play > of course like all kittens but she's also happy just hanging out. > > I'm hoping her IFA will be negative which would mean she still has a chance > of extinguishing the virus. I wouldn't expect a kitten to be able to fight > off the virus but you just never know. I'm going to wait a couple weeks > before doing that test but will definitely think about your offer and see if > there's a way to work out the transporting. > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark > Twain > >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:28:59 -0500 >> From: katsk...@gmail.com >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question >> >> Maureen >> I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats. Of the cats, 1 is about 11 - >> 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive >> years ago. One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because >> of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the >> house. Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now, >> I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others. >> >> That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would >> be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her. I >> can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you >> can't find her a home? >> >> She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling >> with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most >> definitely would not lack for play opportunities. >> >> Has she been spayed? >> >> If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep >> her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out >> with me. >> >> I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still. Would love to have another. >> >> Thanks >> kat >> >> On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda wrote: >> > Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know >> > of >> > any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are >> > concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies >> > vaccine, >> > a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, >> > which to >> > me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only >> > recognized >> > for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks >> > that >> > is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. >> > >> > Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas >> > 2010. >> > >> > On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and >> >> since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my >> >> others because I'm not
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question (Maureen)
On 11-17, Maureen Olvey wrote: >I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and >since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my >others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. >Maybe I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - >vaccinating too but I think I have to in this case. I have to vaccinate for FelV too, and I simply hate to do it. However, I recently discovered that two of the cats in the shelter/sanctuary building I own are FelV pos. They have mixed with all the other cats there for years and none have had FelV vaccinations. Currently they are all healthy. These are not my 15 cats at home. They are all FelV neg and are never with my sanctuary cats. Anyway, I'd also like to know which of the FelV vaccinations are the best and least likely to cause VAS. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Thanks Kat. I can keep her but I'd rather not because my house is full of foster failures as it is! I love them all but I wish I could have found homes for more of them. If for some reason I can't find her a home then she can always stay with me. Don't worry, I won't be putting her down. I'll definitely think about your offer though. I might need a nice drive to KY or OH to get away from my mad house for a few days ;-) Really though, I will think about it. I have a couple of friends with family up that way so I might find out when they're heading up. I'll let you know. You would totally love her. She is so sweet. She really loves attention and follows me around. Kind of a laid back little girl. She likes to play of course like all kittens but she's also happy just hanging out. I'm hoping her IFA will be negative which would mean she still has a chance of extinguishing the virus. I wouldn't expect a kitten to be able to fight off the virus but you just never know. I'm going to wait a couple weeks before doing that test but will definitely think about your offer and see if there's a way to work out the transporting. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:28:59 -0500 > From: katsk...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question > > Maureen > I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats. Of the cats, 1 is about 11 - > 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive > years ago. One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because > of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the > house. Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now, > I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others. > > That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would > be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her. I > can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you > can't find her a home? > > She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling > with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most > definitely would not lack for play opportunities. > > Has she been spayed? > > If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep > her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out > with me. > > I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still. Would love to have another. > > Thanks > kat > > On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda wrote: > > Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of > > any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are > > concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine, > > a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to > > me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized > > for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that > > is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. > > > > Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas > > 2010. > > > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey wrote: > > > >> I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and > >> since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my > >> others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe > >> I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating > >> too but I think I have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth > >> that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her > >> out ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. > >> Appears healthy as a horse. I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the > >> lab) so I know she's positive. I hope she can extinguish the virus but > >> since she's a kitten I'm a little worried. I"m going to follow up with an > >> IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that > >> will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus. Back to the > >> point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know. > >> > >> Not to scare you but as a side note -
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Maureen I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats. Of the cats, 1 is about 11 - 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive years ago. One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the house. Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now, I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others. That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her. I can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you can't find her a home? She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most definitely would not lack for play opportunities. Has she been spayed? If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out with me. I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still. Would love to have another. Thanks kat On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda wrote: > Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of > any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are > concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine, > a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to > me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized > for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that > is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. > > Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas > 2010. > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey wrote: > >> I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and >> since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my >> others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe >> I should but I don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating >> too but I think I have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth >> that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her >> out ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. >> Appears healthy as a horse. I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the >> lab) so I know she's positive. I hope she can extinguish the virus but >> since she's a kitten I'm a little worried. I"m going to follow up with an >> IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that >> will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus. Back to the >> point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know. >> >> Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you >> from bringing in a positive kitty. I tested all my cats and kittens and >> they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two >> years old. No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV >> kitty. The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you >> test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't >> had time to show on the snap test. Not a comforting thought I know. >> >> Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV >> kitten in because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating. I just knew >> her first snap test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot. >> But now that she's been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just >> can't put her down. I'm going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt >> I'll be successful. But in the meantime she needs to get out of that one >> room and play. >> >> Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study >> done on the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or >> 16 weeks old still had immunity 4 years later. And that was just the >> normal one year rabies vaccine. Crazy huh? I think the American >> Association of Veterinarians something or another sets the vaccination >> protocols but they're all vets so of course they're going to recommend >> vaccinating as much as possible. >> >> >> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are >> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon >> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me >> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark >
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine, a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that is A OK! Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey wrote: > I kind of have to vaccinate. I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and since I > doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my others because > I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever. Maybe I should but I > don't have the set up for that. I hate over - vaccinating too but I think I > have to in this case. Unless there's someone like Beth that lives in the > Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her out ;-)She is a > beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten. Appears healthy as a horse. > I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the lab) so I know she's positive. > I hope she can extinguish the virus but since she's a kitten I'm a little > worried. I"m going to follow up with an IFA to see if the virus has > progressed into her white blood cells so that will tell me if she has a > chance of extinguishing the virus. Back to the point, anyone wants a 12 week > old blue point siamese kitten let me know. > > Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you from > bringing in a positive kitty. I tested all my cats and kittens and they > always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two years > old. No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV kitty. The > vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you test a kitten > and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't had time to show on > the snap test. Not a comforting thought I know. > > Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV kitten > in because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating. I just knew her first > snap test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot. But now that > she's been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just can't put her down. > I'm going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt I'll be successful. > But in the meantime she needs to get out of that one room and play. > > Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study done > on the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or 16 > weeks old still had immunity 4 years later. And that was just the normal one > year rabies vaccine. Crazy huh? I think the American Association of > Veterinarians something or another sets the vaccination protocols but they're > all vets so of course they're going to recommend vaccinating as much as > possible. > > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:38:18 -0800 > From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question > > I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv. Several > people I know had the miserable experience of their cat contracting leukemia > after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the vaccine was the source of > the infection but these cats were not ever outside the house. They were not > exposed to any other cats. They may have had the disorder lurking in their > bone marrow and the vaccine sensitized them to getting the illness or they > may have gotten it from the vaccine. In addition, there's the danger of > vaccine-site sarcoma. I have had cats living with me for most of my life. > Most of them survive well into what is considered old age for cats - 16 to 20 > years. Simply testing cats before adding them to my community assures that > they will not be exposed to FeLv. I don't vaccinate, except when I send cats > to adoption. FVRCP is required for that. Of course, the rabies vaccine is > required by law in most States but other than that, I feel that veterinarians > push vaccines for cats for all the wrong reasons. > >
