Cool Kelly, will go nice with a cup of coffee, one of my favourite games
next to Shades of Doom, GTC and Sarah game.
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From: Kelly Sapergia ksaper...@sasktel.net
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:29 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Entombed Featured On This
Hi, is this game Text based or one like GMA with voice acting and movement
in 3D?
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From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:50 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] my thoughts
my thought on the last crusade is this. it could
Hi I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the best places is to get the
scansoft voices for Sappi5? I know there are natural voices from different
suppliers but am actually a bit shocked at the price, especially as some of
them which are supposed to sound natural sound a bit stilted.
The only place I know of is www.nextup.com.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
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From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:54 AM
Hi.
really nice review of the game, and a great explanation for some of the
questions often asked by people trying it for the first time, I'll
stick a link to it on the entombed page at audiogames.net so that people can
access it more easily.
Btw, just for information, on the targiting
Really great review Kelly, like the name for your pet, I don't suppose he's
a 3-headed wolf by any chance? Smile Thanks for the reminder Dark, I
constently need reminders because although I go for head or waste there are
times where it doesn't work. s
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From: dark
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Hi,
I'd highly recommend that you don't buy the Scansoft Real Speak voices
from Nextup.com and here is why.
As I understand it a while backNuance, the company that owns Scansoft,
has changed the way it licences its Real Speak voices. Under the new
licensing scheme the products must be purchased
Hi Lori,
Like I just wrote in my last message I really don't know of any place
where the generic Sapi versions of the Scansoft voices can be located
these days. A friend of mine wanted a copy like I own, that came
with Jaws 8 and Openbook 8, that works with games, screen readers, and
everything
You're right Tomas, thanks for that I was outraged before about the prices!
I wasn't going to pay 32£ odds for a voice which I can easilly access
through Jaws. As I see it companies take advantage of their customers, if
we buy a product we pay the money therefore it should be up to us what we
It's lucky I bought them a few years back when they were still usable as
such, and lucky that I saved those installs. True you can only install them
if Text Aloud is on your machine but they work with WIndow-Eyes and other
aps.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the
If you want to really use them, the disk is on the jaws cd. They are about 2
cd's in the case. It's the second cd which is located to the right side.
When you install that, it would work with everything!
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org
Hi Lori,
Yes, you are right that Windows 7 does have a better Sapi voice called
Anna. It is better than Mike, Mary, and Sam. However, it still isn't
as good as the Scansoft Real Speak voices or the ATT Natural voices
in my opinion. So even though I own Windows 7 I don't really use Anna
much myself
Hi Muhammed,
Yes, i know that. However, you seamed to have missed the fact that cd
no longer ships with newer versions of Jaws. Gone, history, no more.
Now, all they offer is those downloadable pieces of crap that only
work with Jaws. As I am more of a Window-Eyes user, not a Jaws user
per say, I
Hi Charles,
Are you crazy? Something this huge you can't braille financially
speaking. We are talking several boxes of 8-1/2 by 11 braille paper
just to print the code once. Since we are talking almost daily changes
to the program I would be constantly brailling out revisions which
would cost
I know, we pay them and they still rob us blind! Trying to get help or
answers out of Microsoft or any of these developers is like getting blood
out of a stone! For you gamers, here's a thought for if you're developing
audio games. A game called Turn the Tables, where one day after a plague
There's a grade 3?? I thought only 1 and 2!
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list
gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients
Hi,
Lol! That's stretching things quite a bit. I'd say with the engine
written I should be able to have new games done round about three or
four months with the engine depending whatever I need to code to make
the new game. I may have to update the engine from time to time to add
this or that
Graid 3 is computer brail.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Lori Duncan
Sent: 12 May 2010 21:00
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients Beta 12 Released
There's a grade 3?? I
Hi Lori,
Yep. Sure is. It has been around for a few years, but grade 2 is stil
the standard for most braille publications because many braille users
haven't updated their braille skills and still are not aware of the
new braille contractions. However, grade 3 is now being taught to new
braille
Hi,
I have put a new file up on my site.
File name wintjs3.exe File size 2.8 meg.
In version 3 of Triple J Shooter I added a new mode and a new difficulty level.
BTW You do not need to remove any old versions to install version 3. Just run
the wintjs3.exe file to install the game.
Hope
Hi Muhammed,
Ummm...No. There actually is a grade 3 braille which is similar to
grade 2 braille, but has about a dozen or so extra contractions as I
understand it. I heard from the Ohio Vision Center about it so I'm
pretty sure my source is reliable. Beyond that I don't know much more.
However,
I'll say this much. At least Anna doesn't sound terminally depressed the way
Sam does. Makes me wish I still had the parody file I created a few years
ago where Sam committed suicide. Maybe I'll ask my friend Marissa if she's
still got a copy...
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the
Exactly. This summer, July if I'm not mistaken, will mark three years ago
that I finally made the switch to Window-Eyes, which I wouldn't have managed
if it hadn't been for their payment plan. Well at least I can still use
NeoSpeech Kate and Paul. They may have a few pronunciation issues but
Uhm, yeah. Good thing you're not obligated to do that LOL.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net; Gamers Discussion list
Hi Dark,
Lol! Actually, I do see your point. I think the compromise may be to
add a training mode for beginners. With Shades of Doom, Tank
Commander, etc when you select the lowest difficulty level you are
prompted if you want training mode. I could do the same thing with
MOTA. While training
Rail Racer did sort of explore that territory actually. Personally my idea
was more along the lines of a blind version of The Simpsons where the blind
folks would be more the Lisa types while the sighties would be more like
Bart and Homer. Of course that wouldn't be entirely fair to the ones
There is a grade three but I don't believe I've ever seen anything written
that way. Just the thought of all that game code written out in grade one
braille is enough to make my blood run cold. And that's not even thinking of
a program like, say the Microsoft Office suites. I imagine our games
Well at least you were able to get the components done that were necessary
for this type of game.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list
Hi Lori,
Well, if we are really honest about it though companies like Microsoft
and Nuance are out to rip everyone off. The more and more I look
around my country, the United States, I've found myself living in a
corperation owned state were it is a dog eat dog world. Every major
corperation and
Lol would love to hear that one! They should play it in prisons to make
people confess to wrong doings, have Sam read a long political document
lasting 10 hours and see the result. Smile
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From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net
To: Gamers Discussion list
Lol Tom you could replace the I need a light with a really scared I can't
see what's a head of me!! I'm going out of my mind!! Ok too much RPG for
me today.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday,
Hi,
Yeah, although Microsoft Office is an unfair comparison since it is in
effect several different programs rather than any specific program.
Now, you want to say something like Final Fantasy 13 then you are
talking a game that is probably well over 100,000 lines of code since
RPG games are
Good Day:
Computer braille is a code to be used for programming material, rather like
nemeth braille is used for mathematics and science. Grade 3 braille is a
shorthand version of grade 2 braille with several hundred contractions
(frankly, I am not familiar enough with this braille to give
These corporations treat their call center employees the same as they treat
the competition and the customer. It's a dog eat dog corporate war, and the
American people are the dog food. At the credit card call center I used to
work at, the management always said that the employee is the
Or to see a program like JAWS written in grade 1 braille? Sheesh!
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From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net
To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list
gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey]
Well i'm glad I also have a sapi enabled copy of daniel, and I certainly
have no plans to stop using it for Entombed, Jim's games, blind adrenalin or
indeed anything else just because nuance are being so ridiculous.
On the pluss side, there are some very good alternative voices available.
I like the idea of having the beginner level as a training mode if the gamer
chooses, and having to light a torch in dark rooms. Any difficulty beyond
the easy level should naturally be more difficult, so there should be no
warning of traps from that point.
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From:
Yuck. I forgot about it all being grade 1 braille. It was just one of
those crazy thoughts, anyway.
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From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey]
hey have anyone play the new version of triple j shooter? to start
this game is an adult game so if you are under the age of 18 then you
don't need to play this gaem. but if you are older then the age then
this game is for you. but for all you out their all you got to do is
put that you are
I wish the pulldown menus would return. I hate ribbons.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list
gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
That! really! stinks!
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com; Gamers Discussion list
gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Hi Lori,
Like I just wrote in my
There'l all the same, I think, polititions all hot air and empty words, no
action in any of them. I think us blind lot get the worst deal, £20 odds
for an audio book which the lucky sighted can get for £5.99, how is that
fair?
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From: Thomas Ward
Dog eat dog, sounds like a good audio game totle. Smile
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From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
These corporations treat their call
I don't understand it, when I got my Jaws 10 cd it's 3 disks, my serial
number, my realspeak sollow direct and the actual Jaws program, no free
disk?
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From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:01 PM
I think that shouldn't be included on this list, in my book it seems quite
hmmm uncooth, but that's just my view.
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From: michael barnes c...@samobile.net
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:13 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] game review
hey have anyone
In my opinion, any game designed for the blind should be allowed to be
discussed. If there is one that disgusts or offends me, I figure that I
don't have to buy it, and I can always delete the messages about it with the
delete key.
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From: Lori Duncan
Actually tom as I said, that's stil a pretty good schedule when considdering
that it takes developers like gma, Draconis and such a couple of years to
come up with a new game.
Entombed's developement has been staggeringly quick, but even that has
taken a solid two years of work from
Hmmm, that sounds an interesting idea for people like myself who learnt
graide two braille at the same time they learnt to read.
I suspect I'd need a check list to consult, but whether the Grade three
braille starts being produced over here I'm not sure.
Besides, I must confess now that
Well tom, it depends upon how extensive you want this option to be.
a training mode as in shades where the monsters don't move which finishes
after the first level,. seems a different idea from say having certain help
features and difficulty level tweaks in the main game, sinse obviously you
I will confess that while I do admire the Us atitudes on disability, this is
something I like a good deal less, though I freely admit I'm rather
leaning leftwards myself.
Saying that, the english government (or excuse for such we have at the
moment), can't really claime to be too much
I think that would count as cruel and unusual punishment ;D.
Beware the Grue!
dark.
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From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
Lol would
Generally charles, this is a really nice thing about all indi games
developement generally, accessible or otherwise. the devs are
accessible (ha ha), to suggestions, feedback and ideas from customers,
they're not forced to work by the corprate whip, and can considder factors
like game
I'm downloading one of them now as I write this. I probably shouldn't have
forked over the cash just now but I was impressed enough with the quality.
It's an Irish voice named Catelynn. It's unfortunate though that the
celebrity voices offered as samples are apparently not available for
That would one voice that I would immediately delete! I would like to see
the person deleted from our Presidency, too!
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From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: Re:
I'm no supporter of his either. That's why I think it'd be funny to use him
in my screen reader. He could do soemthing useful for a change. But I'll
shut up now lest I draw the discussion to actual politics, a subject which I
generally hate with a burning, fiery passion.
He who is valiant and
Hi Brian,
Awww...you don't like politics? I love it, and if Obama was deleted I
wouldn't cry...but I digress. That would be funny. Could you imagine him in
entombed, announcing that Alissa had cast ra of destrucution?
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From:
Hi,
How many terrists are in on it? I don't know! I'll never tell you! Well
then...let's just see how you fair under the torture of...SAPI voices! Two
minutes Later... I'll tell you! Don't play anymore! Grin
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org
Hi,
CHCH for church? Lol...interesting. I'd be like you myself Tom, since like
Dark I was taught grade 2 at the same time I learned to read. I also do not
like UEB. The BrailleNote supports it now, but you can't use dot 6 n for A T
I O N anymore, for some reason it sees it as a capital n.
Best
Hi Lori,
I don't know why you say that now, since we've discussed this game at least
a month ago.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Lori Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:39 PM
To: Gamers
Hi,
I must correct you all--it's computer Braille, not grade 1 braille. There's
a huge difference in punctuation and mathematics, which is completely!
Necessary for writing out source code.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org
Hi Thomas,
Yes...I saw one RPG game, which gave a complete number of lines of code
required, and it was 24000 lines of C ++ code.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Wednesday, May
Hi Dark,
The flaw I have with this is, how do you intend to work out the torch
problem? I'm sure it wouldn't be infinitely difficult, but if you have an
infinitely burning torch, then all the torches you'll pick up during the
game seem pointless. The other thing is that I only play the easy
Hi,
Lol...I use to always get the so the cane helps you see?.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:24 PM
To: Lori Duncan; Gamers Discussion list
Subject:
Grade 1 braille is the first grate of braille learned, in which what you
read is spelled out letter by letter, with no contractions. Computer
braille is written as grade one braille for the most part, but also has
symbols indicating things like What you're about to read is the beginning
of a
Hi Charles,
No, they did not change them needlessly at all. The first thing to realize
is that computer Braille is in nimith code mathematically, which is more
practical since you don't have to use the number sign. Take the parenthesis
for example, now we not only do we have open and close
HI Thomas,
That's exactly why I have to keep the JAWS 9 CD around. I don't use the
Scansoft voices often, but I always use them with Jim's games as well as
RailRacer.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf
Hi Thomas,
And you know, the first time I heard that, it cleared up a lot of things. I
never understood why Freedom Scientific ended up making these massive
downloads to realspeak solo direct, until I heard that.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org
Hi Lori,
It is in 2D, just like the GMA games. There's a page on audiogames.net if
you want to koow more.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Lori Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:02 AM
To:
I use them for other applications as well. I'm keeping that CD!
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From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Scansoft voices
HI Thomas,
That's exactly
Hi,
Please post the thing to the entire list, I can't seem to finish that death
world, and sometimes I don't make it past the mountain world!
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Castanedagarcia_Alfredo
Hi Charles,
Lol...interesting. Only problem is, you don't add weapons to levels, it's
random.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:04 AM
To: Gamers
Hi Thomas,
While I didn't read the people (I am in the lot of people category who
read the manual cover to cover twice, ok, maybe three times at most) then
never look it at again. However, I did check the information section in the
help, and I didn't see it there either.
Best Regards,
Hayden
Hi Michael,
Not really. That series would be...yaawawawawn...borring? King Lasaras
has returned from the dead! King Lasaras has returned from the
dead...again! For the fourth book, called the Last Last Last Last Crusade,
King lasaras has...you already know it...returned from the dead!
Best
Hi Michael,
As I have no experience with the IPhone, I have no idea as to what
accessible games are out there for it.
Best Regards,
Hayden
-Original Message-
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of michael barnes
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:39
Hello,
Computer braille is also referred to as grade 0 braille because it does
not use any relational symbols such as #a for 1 or dots 2 5 6 at the end
of a word for period.
David Chittenden, MSc, CRC, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
On 5/13/2010 8:13 AM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi
hey hayden was you just being a smart mouth or is their really a book?
or is it a game? if so where can i get it?
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Actually the voice i'd really like to see as a screen reader voice would
have to be either Homer Simpson or Ned Flanders. Now that would be funny.
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
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From: Hayden Presley
Hi Folks,
I also looked up the CereProc Voices
http://www.cereproc.com/home
and found their price for Windows 22k SAPI voices at $39 US
They can also build a SAPI voice with 4 hours of recorded speech but do not
say how much it costs.
Just think of having Alexander Scourby, Jim Dale, Frank Oz,
Christopher Lee as a screen reader voice? That might be a
little...demeaning?
He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the holy grail in the castle
of ggh.
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Sent: Wednesday,
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