Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-12 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:27:49 -0500, Eric P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm all into usability as I use a high ratio of keyboard shortcuts vs. mouse in GIMP. Can you elaborate on some of the new usability enhancements? I'm all ears. Well, it's difficult to single out a specific feature. I

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-11 Thread David Marrs
Perhaps I'm in danger of starting an argument here but some of your points surprise me a little. Manish Singh wrote: Maybe the creator of GimpShop should have respected the GIMP community instead of rejecting it. He did not consult anyone on any of the GIMP lists at all as to proper

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-11 Thread Manish Singh
On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 08:24:36PM +0100, David Marrs wrote: Perhaps I'm in danger of starting an argument here but some of your points surprise me a little. Manish Singh wrote: Maybe the creator of GimpShop should have respected the GIMP community instead of rejecting it. He did not

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-10 Thread Elwin Estle
a clumsy gui that is not at all easy to use (especially for those trained in photoshop) and which does not compare favourably with standards set by photoshop. I personally don't mind the UI... It is simply a matter of learning how to use it. I have never used PS, myself, but I suspect I

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-10 Thread Eric P
As I wrote in my previous message, the GIMP developers are not opposed to some of the ideas included in Gimpshop, if only they were implemented in a correct way. The developers are open to suggestions and are looking at alternative solutions whenever possible. Just check the recent

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Axel Wernicke
Hi list, answering this kind of questions and explainig why exactly we can not support GimpShop is a waste of time and done again and again and again... ... This clearly is a F.A.Q, which should we be able to answer by politely providing a link to an FAQ entry on gimp.org. This could save us

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread David Southwell
On Monday 09 July 2007 00:11:09 Axel Wernicke wrote: Hi list, answering this kind of questions and explainig why exactly we can not support GimpShop is a waste of time and done again and again and again... ... This clearly is a F.A.Q, which should we be able to answer by politely providing a

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread David Southwell
On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:37:01 Manish Singh wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 02:42:22PM -0700, David Southwell wrote: I rather gather there are those who disparage gimpshop and wish it to fail and those who wish it to succeed but are afraid of offending some members of the former group.

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Simon Budig
David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On the first point my reaction to those adopting an authoritarian position is come on guys loosen up. It gives the impression that a few people with an axe to grind want to freeze out gimpshop rather than encouraging any extensions of gimp, of

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Karine Delvare
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:11:09 -0700 David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me there are two issues which seem to be confused and rolled into one seeminly illogical construct. 1. Whether some contributors to this list should take it upon themselves to try and stop other

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread David Southwell
On Monday 09 July 2007 02:05:43 Karine Delvare wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:11:09 -0700 David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me there are two issues which seem to be confused and rolled into one seeminly illogical construct. 1. Whether some contributors to this list

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread David Southwell
On Monday 09 July 2007 02:06:53 Simon Budig wrote: David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On the first point my reaction to those adopting an authoritarian position is come on guys loosen up. It gives the impression that a few people with an axe to grind want to freeze out gimpshop

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread David Southwell
On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:37:01 Manish Singh wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 02:42:22PM -0700, David Southwell wrote: I rather gather there are those who disparage gimpshop and wish it to fail and those who wish it to succeed but are afraid of offending some members of the former group.

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Simon Budig
David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I suggest you treat gimpshop as an intermediate hack. Get the best out of it you can until someone is encouraged to dvevelop something more sophisticated. That simply is impossible, since the solutions of Gimpshop are no solutions. I tried to explain

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Simon Budig
David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: IMHO it is time to let go of anger and act in a mature and constructive way. Ok, lets just open up this list and make it a gimpshop list as well. And a Photoshop list. And a Paintshop Pro list. And a Krita list. They all offer something that gimp

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:06:22 +0200, Simon Budig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I suggest you treat gimpshop as an intermediate hack. Get the best out of it you can until someone is encouraged to dvevelop something more sophisticated. That simply

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread norman
lots of snip Build up a community that wants something better but uses gimpshop as a temporary hack. Learn from gimpshop what is needed and then draw development energy from the community to develop something better. My plea is for you guys to stop using your guts to think and let

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread David Southwell
On Monday 09 July 2007 04:30:06 norman wrote: lots of snip Build up a community that wants something better but uses gimpshop as a temporary hack. Learn from gimpshop what is needed and then draw development energy from the community to develop something better. My plea is for you

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Leon Brooks
On Monday 09 July 2007, Sven Neumann wrote: I just tried to help you by pointing out that gimpshop is a different application and that you should try to get support for it from the people who did the fork. If you did that you might have found out that there is no such support. You might then

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Jon Crowe
David Southwell wrote: Currently all I am suggesting is that people with a history of scores to settle need to keep quiet and if others want to talk about gimpshop then let them do so. Noone is saying any single individual should feel obliged to contribute to those discussion. Let us be

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:02:19 -0700, David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would mean more developers, features and a bigger and better community of users. IMHO gimpshop is a great idea. According to some its developers have not behaved well -- my guess is

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread David Southwell
On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:37:01 Manish Singh wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 02:42:22PM -0700, David Southwell wrote: I rather gather there are those who disparage gimpshop and wish it to fail and those who wish it to succeed but are afraid of offending some members of the former group.

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Brendan
On Sunday 08 July 2007, David Southwell wrote: On Sunday 08 July 2007 12:07:55 Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 07:48 -0700, David Southwell wrote: I just want to make clear that people who are accustomed to be positively helpful deserve encouragement and others, not of

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:08:26 +0800, Leon Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then future queries can be answered like this: GimpShop is a different product to GIMP. Read about the differences and support issues here: http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/GimpShop I'd happily write up such a

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Alex Feldman
Hi Brendan, David, it's just not worth it. The powers on this list are frighteningly short-sighted when it comes to discussions like you are proposing. Even though a large chunk of the list feels differently, they will moderate you eventually into the ground. Well, a large chunk is

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Victor Domingos
Em 2007/07/09, às 11:06, Simon Budig escreveu: And in case you missed it, we are in a very intense process of looking at the gimp user interface and improving it. People comparing the current 2.3 development version with 2.2 tend to like the changes a lot. I prefer this way over just

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Brendan
On Monday 09 July 2007, Alex Feldman wrote: Hi Brendan, David, it's just not worth it. The powers on this list are frighteningly short-sighted when it comes to discussions like you are proposing. Even though a large chunk of the list feels differently, they will moderate you eventually

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Leon Brooks
On Monday 09 July 2007, David Southwell wrote: A gui that emulates photoshop is really needed. If it were done as a wrapper idea over standard GIMP, and integrated, I could easily agree with that. Much better again if it were modular, so you could enable and disable PS-ish chunks. The current

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Karine Delvare
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:20:12 -0400 Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I am only going on the large chunk of emails I got when I was talking about Gimpshop. All of them from list members. Why doesn't this large chunk of users create a gimpshop mailing list (or forum or whatever), instead of

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Simon Budig
[slightly reordering the quotes] David Southwell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Really gimpshop is part of gimp.. the version of gimpshop running on my system depends upon the latest version of gimp. This is backwards logic. We - as the GIMP developers - have no influence on Gimpshop. Hence it

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread David Southwell
On Monday 09 July 2007 05:18:23 Raphaël Quinet wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:02:19 -0700, David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would mean more developers, features and a bigger and better community of users. IMHO gimpshop is a great idea. According to some its developers have not

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Manish Singh
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 05:36:44AM -0700, David Southwell wrote: On Sunday 08 July 2007 14:37:01 Manish Singh wrote: On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 02:42:22PM -0700, David Southwell wrote: I rather gather there are those who disparage gimpshop and wish it to fail and those who wish it to succeed

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread George Farris
On Mon, 2007-09-07 at 07:55 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Destructive discussion about whether gimpshop discussion between consenting adults should be allowed or not is like proposing the baby should be put out with the bathwater. Look David, I'm a GIMP user and I don't appreciate

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-09 Thread Geoffrey
Manish Singh wrote: Please stop posting to the list, as all you can seem to do is post misinformation and assertions that you cannot back up. I would take it one more step and request that no one respond to any more posts on this discussion. David, you're a troll, please drop this issue.

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-08 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 02:34 -0700, David Southwell wrote: I have installed ports/gimpshop on my fFreebsd 6.1 system. I want to compare its functionality with photoshop with which I am extremely familar and use extensively on my Win XP system. Please ask on the gimpshop user list then.

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-08 Thread David Southwell
On Sunday 08 July 2007 02:41:26 you wrote: Hi, On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 02:34 -0700, David Southwell wrote: I have installed ports/gimpshop on my fFreebsd 6.1 system. I want to compare its functionality with photoshop with which I am extremely familar and use extensively on my Win XP system.

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-08 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-08-07 10:36]: On Sunday 08 July 2007 02:41:26 you wrote: Please ask on the gimpshop user list then. You might find that there is no such list. But we can't help you with gimpshop questions here. It is a different application and this is the gimp user

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-08 Thread David Southwell
On Sunday 08 July 2007 07:42:04 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * David Southwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-08-07 10:36]: On Sunday 08 July 2007 02:41:26 you wrote: Please ask on the gimpshop user list then. You might find that there is no such list. But we can't help you with gimpshop questions

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-08 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 07:48 -0700, David Southwell wrote: I just want to make clear that people who are accustomed to be positively helpful deserve encouragement and others, not of that disposition, IMHO contribute more to this worlld when they remain silent. I just tried to help you

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-08 Thread David Southwell
On Sunday 08 July 2007 12:07:55 Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 07:48 -0700, David Southwell wrote: I just want to make clear that people who are accustomed to be positively helpful deserve encouragement and others, not of that disposition, IMHO contribute more to this

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-08 Thread Manish Singh
On Sun, Jul 08, 2007 at 02:42:22PM -0700, David Southwell wrote: I rather gather there are those who disparage gimpshop and wish it to fail and those who wish it to succeed but are afraid of offending some members of the former group. Maybe gimp could benefit from a more catholic and

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-08 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 14:42 -0700, David Southwell wrote: Am I not correct in saying that gimpshop a tool using gimp? No, you are not correct in saying that. It's a forked version and the person who did that fork refuses to work with the GIMP developers. We don't get any support from

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp - gimpshop - newbie

2007-07-07 Thread Elwin Estle
Not sure how well GimpShop will run on FreeBSD. I don't know anything about FreeBSD, myself (I am running Ubuntu Dapper), but I wonder if GimpShop and and the Gimp 2.2.15 it looks like you installed will have a conflict. On windows, GimpShop has been pretty much a bugfest, at Gimptalk, we