[LUTE] Re: The golden rose

2013-06-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
sound, tho', as if the thing had been nicked! regards Martyn __ From: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2013, 10:30 Subject: [LUTE] Re

[LUTE] Re: The golden rose

2013-06-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
- Forwarded Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: David Van Edwards da...@vanedwards.co.uk Cc: 'LuteNet list' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 8:16 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: The golden rose Dear David, I was under the, perhaps

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pierre Gaultier in 1720! Old early music?

2013-05-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
or vibrato MH From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de To: baroque-lute mailing-list baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: Lute List l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013, 19:34 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pierre Gaultier in 1720! Old early music?

[LUTE] Re: microtonal guitar

2013-04-26 Thread Martyn Hodgson
And Thompson's 1829 design for an enharmonic guitar also required different positions (ie non-straight frets) for each fret/string intersection. Of course, how one played such instruments when the music was in anything more than just the tonic was never addressed so I guess

[LUTE] Re: Classical Guitar Music in Tablature

2013-04-23 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Well, not for the 6 string guitar as such. But the 18th/early 19th century 6 course mandora/gallichon was mostly tuned in the identical intervals (and by this date at the same nominal pitch with first course at e') as the 6 string guitar and its music was mostly intabulated so you

[LUTE] Correction to Re: Classical Guitar Music in Tablature

2013-04-23 Thread Martyn Hodgson
by Ferandiere MH --- On Tue, 23/4/13, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [LUTE] Classical Guitar Music in Tablature To: lutelist Net Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y

[LUTE] Re: Early romantic guitaRe: string height

2013-04-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
--- On Sun, 21/4/13, Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp wrote: From: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Early romantic guitaRe: string height To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 21 April, 2013, 5

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Cassein glue

2013-03-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Bill, Many years ago, before I knew better, I made my first instrument with a propriety wood glue 'Cascamite' which I thought at the time was a cassein type adhesive (the similarity in the name). And it was certainly strong, gap filling (benefit for a novice!) and took plenty

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Peg Sharpener Source

2013-03-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Sterling, I found it best to make my own to fit my own reamers. There are various ways to do this - mine is: Drill and ream a tapered hole in a piece of suitable wood (I used some mahogany); plane down to get a parallel sided slit along the length of the taper, cut and

[LUTE] Re: 3rd finger in french baroque?

2013-02-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Martin, Barley (1596) explicitly (The sixteenth Rule) requires 'For to play foure partes .. the thumb and the three fingers together,...'. However, he also (The fourteenth Rule) describes a sort of mixed raking play for six part chords whereby (as best I can

[LUTE] Re: Damping overspun strings.

2013-02-24 Thread Martyn Hodgson
, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Damping overspun strings. To: Sam Chapman manchap...@gmail.com, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] Re: Damping overspun strings.

2013-02-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Sam, There are some other sources of damping besides Mace. In particular, Von Radolt's instructions of 1701 (English translation in FoMRHI Quarterly No 44 July 1986 , Comm 737) describe the 'etoufment'. These signs ( c// ) indicate the Etoufement and are ordinarily used

[LUTE] Re: Baroque Guitar Video

2013-02-14 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Christopher, You asked for observations on yr performance, and you are certainly brave to ask for comments, here are mine: You clearly have the necessary technical ability and virtuosity to play plucked instruments (as we know from your lute recordings). However, I really

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-12 Thread Martyn Hodgson
, 2013, 14:58 Excuse my ignorance, but wouldn't support blocks under the bars be a very possible source of buzzing? ..unless one used glue, in which case top removal would be much more difficult? -Original Message- From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: David

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
end supports on lutes To: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Lute builder Dmth lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, 7 February, 2013, 16:39 Yes, as far as I have observed no lutes were made using support blocks

[LUTE-BUILDER] Further to: Bar end supports on lutes

2013-02-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Further to the recent mailings about using supports to the bar ends of lutes (as commonly found on guitars) to avoid then becoming loose, there were few responses and the gist seemed to bit that it was a good idea and unlikely to injure the instrument's tone. This may be the case,

[LUTE] Re: The English Guitar

2013-02-02 Thread Martyn Hodgson
be others. regards, Martyn --- On Fri, 1/2/13, Pieter Van Tichelen pie...@vantichelen.name wrote: From: Pieter Van Tichelen pie...@vantichelen.name Subject: re: [LUTE] Re: The English Guitar To: WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar

[LUTE] Re: chitarra italiana

2013-02-02 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Bill, I'd love to see this pic of a big mandore - but get a message saying the web page is unavailable. rgds Martyn --- On Fri, 1/2/13, William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: chitarra

[LUTE] Re: chitarra italiana

2013-02-01 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Stuart, I agree: it does clearly show 5 courses which, if a 'chitarra', would make it a candidate to play the 'alla Spagnola' repertoire - except, as you point out, no sign of octave courses much less re-entrant tuning. Like you, I wonder if the instrument depicted is

[LUTE] Re: 6c guittar

2013-01-31 Thread Martyn Hodgson
:20 On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I'm sorry you feel so defensive - but what is there to complain about in what I wrote to you? I'm just guessing here, but could it possibly be that you were the only one on the list who

[LUTE] Re: 6c guittar

2013-01-30 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Rob, I think I know from where you're coming but suggest it's a great mistake to try and stifle debate - and why would you unless you were worried about what might emerge? Do please calm down and perhaps use less intemperate language which could, indeed, itself escalate

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-30 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 29 January, 2013, 15:30 Contrary to what you suggest - we do know that chitarriglia is an Italian

[LUTE] Re: 6c guittar

2013-01-30 Thread Martyn Hodgson
, and most of us, deprecate so much. regards, Martyn --- On Wed, 30/1/13, Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com wrote: From: Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: 6c guittar To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute lute

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-29 Thread Martyn Hodgson
--- On Mon, 28/1/13, Davide Rebuffa davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it wrote: From: Davide Rebuffa davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it Subject: Re: [LUTE] 4 course guitar in Italy To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: pie...@vantichelen.name, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk

[LUTE] Re: Bad url for 4c guitar in Italy etc

2013-01-29 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you Bill. Interesting - but what is it! Or, rather more to the point, what did its player call it? regards Martyn PS Alexander Batov has come up with some pretty convincing pics for figure 8 Italian 4 course guitars. --- On Tue, 29/1/13, William Samson

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-29 Thread Martyn Hodgson
alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: pie...@vantichelen.name, Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 15:42 Martyn, Peter et all, First of all, this particular

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-29 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Italian regards, Martyn --- On Tue, 29/1/13, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy To: Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com Cc: pie...@vantichelen.name

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-29 Thread Martyn Hodgson
to be the appropriate style for the 5-course instrument. As ever Monica - Original Message - From: William Samson [1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk To: Davide Rebuffa [2]davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it; Martyn Hodgson [3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: [4]pie...@vantichelen.name

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-29 Thread Martyn Hodgson
To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 29 January, 2013, 13:15 Hello Martyn, I understand perfectly well that the Tenier's picture has nothing to do with the 'Italian representation', and I'd never meant to represent it that way

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Subject: re: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 10:11 Hi Martyn Monica, Finally I have managed to dig up

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy To: pie...@vantichelen.name Cc: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk, Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 28 January, 2013, 10:37 Dear Pieter, you are looking in the right way concerning

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Martyn --- On Mon, 28/1/13, Davide Rebuffa davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it wrote: From: Davide Rebuffa davide.rebu...@fastwebnet.it Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy To: pie...@vantichelen.name Cc: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Monica Hall

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
. I hope we might see new 'discoveries' in due course. regards Martyn --- On Mon, 28/1/13, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
--- On Mon, 28/1/13, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-27 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Bill, Do you know the precise date and nationality/origin of this picture? - it looks to me early 17th century from the costume. We discussed it in this thread before and wondered if it had much to tell us about the 4 course instrument Barberiis expected a century or so

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-27 Thread Martyn Hodgson
course guitar in Italy To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 27 January, 2013, 16:23 Just because I feel devilish, and wish to wind everyone up...things are just as bad in the 19th

[LUTE] Re: Email freezes or goes very slow - length of extensions/archives?

2013-01-27 Thread Martyn Hodgson
. And thanks again for your wonderful facility Martyn --- On Sun, 27/1/13, wayne cripps wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu wrote: From: wayne cripps wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [LUTE] Email freezes or goes very slow - length of extensions/archives? To: Martyn Hodgson

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy

2013-01-27 Thread Martyn Hodgson
, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 27 January, 2013, 16:13 The fact

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
___ From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: 22 January 2013 10:05 To: [2]pie...@vantichelen.name Subject: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-25 Thread Martyn Hodgson
] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 25 January, 2013, 9:06 On 25/01/2013 08:39, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Dear Stuart, You write 'I still don't see why you

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-23 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Kind regards Pieter ___ From: Martyn Hodgson [3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: 22 January 2013 10:05 To: [4]pie...@vantichelen.name Subject: [LUTE] Re: 4 course

[LUTE] Other inventories of mandores guiternes - was 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-23 Thread Martyn Hodgson
...@vantichelen.name wrote: From: Pieter Van Tichelen pie...@vantichelen.name Subject: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, 19:24

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 21 January, 2013, 15:48 Well - feel free to get in touch

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
for that reason. Best Monica - Original Message - From: Gary R. Boye [2]boy...@appstate.edu To: Monica Hall [3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Martyn Hodgson [4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Lutelist [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
for that reason. Best Monica - Original Message - From: Gary R. Boye [7]boy...@appstate.edu To: Monica Hall [8]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Martyn Hodgson [9]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Lutelist [10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Message - From: Gary R. Boye [4]boy...@appstate.edu To: Monica Hall [5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Martyn Hodgson [6]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Lutelist [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
.. --- On Tue, 22/1/13, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date

[LUTE] Vihuela stringing - was 6c (lute) stringing?

2013-01-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Martin, You may recall that quite some years ago it was generally accepted that the vihuela (but not the viola) was strung in unison - I believe this was a misreading of an early source and was explained through the great wealth of Spain in the periof whereby such expensive

[LUTE] 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Monica, You write 'There('s) no hard evidence that the 4-course guitar was played in Italy' and, of course, you're quite right. But it was played in Spain, then a major influence in all Hapsburg lands and in some Italian states as well as Naples. So I don't see it being

[LUTE] Re: Vihuela stringing - was 6c (lute) stringing?

2013-01-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
instructions imply a unison 4th course (but say nothing about the other courses). I think it is wrong to assume that playing a string with the finger rather than the thumb will emphasize one or other octave - it's all a matter of technique. All the best, Martin On 21/01/2013 10:44, Martyn

[LUTE] Re: Vihuela stringing - was 6c (lute) stringing?

2013-01-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear G Abramovic, I'd love to read what you wrote but all I got was this below! Is it Wayne's system or what? regards Martyn Hodgson --- On Mon, 21/1/13, G_abramovic g_abramo...@hotmail.com wrote: From: G_abramovic g_abramo...@hotmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re

[LUTE] Re: Vihuela stringing - was 6c (lute) stringing?

2013-01-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
. Best wishes, Martin On 21/01/2013 13:38, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Dear Martin, Thanks for this: I'll revisit Pisador's instructions and see what they imply. Re your observation that 'I think it is wrong to assume that playing a string with the finger

[LUTE] Re: 4 course guitar in Italy - was Calata de StrAmbotto

2013-01-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 21 January, 2013, 13:54 Well - obviously the 4-course guitar was played in Spain although the extent to which it was played in the contrapuntal manner suggested by the few

[LUTE] Dowland broadcast

2013-01-03 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dowland is a subject on BBC Radio 3 (Music Matters 12.15pm) tomorrow. I believe Peter Holman (amogst others) contributes - insights from a non-lute player but a leading historical musicologist. And, of course, director of The Parley of Instruments and of Opera Restor'd. MH --

[LUTE] Re: Latin and lute.

2012-12-11 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Numerous intabulations of latin vocal music and songs with latin text; often Ovid and similar settings (eg Muddara et al). MH --- On Tue, 11/12/12, Herbert Ward wa...@physics.utexas.edu wrote: From: Herbert Ward wa...@physics.utexas.edu Subject: [LUTE] Latin and lute.

[LUTE] Re: Gut strings - The elephant in the room

2012-12-01 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Mimmo Peruffo (Aquila strings) and Nicholas Baldock have done work on softer strings. MH --- On Fri, 30/11/12, William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: William Samson willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Gut strings - The elephant in the room To: Lute List

[LUTE] Re: Rolled chords

2012-12-01 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Indeed, I had thought this position was pretty much generally accepted - the only issue being where to strike chords simultaneously and where to roll. I gathered there was a view that there was excessive rolling by some modern players (on almost every chord - making it easier for

[LUTE] Re: Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-29 Thread Martyn Hodgson
was achieved by loading. But we've all been here before.. regards Martyn From: Shaun Ng shaunk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace? To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute

[LUTE] Re: Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-29 Thread Martyn Hodgson
according to Mace? To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, 29 November, 2012, 9:34 Dear Martyn, Yes, I am aware of these things. The evidence for loading on strings is? Or has the lute world already made a collective

[LUTE] Re: Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-29 Thread Martyn Hodgson
strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace? To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, 29 November, 2012, 9:42 I'm sorry Martyn, the thread is very long. Just mention the book, image, quote, etc

[LUTE-BUILDER] Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
When you write 'The better explanation for seemingly thin, coloured strings on the basses of lutes...', what do you mean by 'better''?: - better in relation to the historical evidence (if so precisely what)?; better for modern ears?; better for the cost?; better than

[LUTE] Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Shaun, When you write 'The better explanation for seemingly thin, coloured strings on the basses of lutes...', what do you mean by 'better''?: - better in relation to the historical evidence (if so precisely what)?; better for modern ears?; better for the cost?; better

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Lute bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-11-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
bass strings - was Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace? To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Lute builder Dmth lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 28 November, 2012, 11:38 I don't suppose we'll ever know for sure, unless somebody comes

[LUTE] Re: Rolled chords

2012-11-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
--- On Fri, 16/11/12, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Rolled chords To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, Gary R. Boye boy...@appstate.edu Cc: WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com, lute

[LUTE] Re: Re/deconstructing Dowland; - and 'rolled' chords

2012-11-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Stuart, I agree with you that we need to be wary in our (modern) assessments of many of these works. For example, some of these lute 'solos', both by Dowland and other lute playing composers, may be lute parts to a consort or a duet and can seem strangely incomplete

[LUTE] Re: Re/deconstructing Dowland; - and 'rolled' chords

2012-11-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
the music. Martyn --- On Fri, 16/11/12, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Re/deconstructing Dowland; - and 'rolled' chords To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, WALSH STUART s.wa

[LUTE] Re: Rolled chords

2012-11-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson
To: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com Cc: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com, lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 16 November, 2012, 15:38 Chris, Interesting that you should bring up rolled chords; there was much discussion on another

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Thomas Mace and Cozen-German

2012-11-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I think it means a cousin from the same family. Mace might then be describing a relative MH --- On Mon, 5/11/12, Peter Steur p.st...@inrim.it wrote: From: Peter Steur p.st...@inrim.it Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Thomas Mace and Cozen-German To: Baroque Lute

[LUTE] Re: Image editing/enhancing software for pdfs

2012-10-22 Thread Martyn Hodgson
www.Tree-Edition.com ++49(0)451 899 78 48 More Music Books at [2]http://tree-edition.magix.net/public/ Am 22.10.2012 12:05, schrieb David van Ooijen: I use Gimp. Bit of a learning curve, but very powerful. David On 22 October 2012 11:43, Martyn Hodgson [3]hodgsonmar

[LUTE] Re: Are Pistoys prone to rot according to Mace?

2012-10-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Anthony, You write of Mace - 'Mace had a very strong preoccupation with rotten gut, clearly from personal experience (although I have never encountered this problem), and he therefore gives detailed advice on how to store strings to make sure they don't take any wet, or moist

[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

2012-10-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Stuart, I'd argue that many of these are 'lutes', such as mandores, some gitterns, theorbos, chitarroni, archlutes, mandoras/gallichons, colasciones, mandolins/mandolas, etc. In short, instruments developed directly from the same general platonic 'lute' form. The big

[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

2012-10-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Eugene, I agree that to produce some form of generally acceptable classification system for 'lutes' would be difficult and even then prone to error/interpretations - but surely we shouldn't not try? I presume, for example, Mendel's inheritance findings have been revised

[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

2012-10-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Denys, Thank you for this - I think it well reflects many peoples' views. Indeed, it is remarkable that, even after 36 years, much of what Bob wrote is still widely agreed upon today. Martyn --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Denys Stephens denyssteph...@sky.com wrote: From:

[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

2012-10-18 Thread Martyn Hodgson
with a downright lie since others would have still been around to point out his error. MH --- On Thu, 18/10/12, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc

[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

2012-10-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Actually it seems more likely that both instruments were named after the ancient 'kithara' used by classical Greek poets to accompany their recitations and, like so much renaissance thinking, seems to have been a concious attempt to recapture something of the glories (as they saw

[LUTE] Re: A question; straps, standing

2012-10-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you for this Markus. I don't have notes on this possible mandora instrument. 9 course mandoras are certainly known - although not as early as 1730. Is there any further information/photos of the instrument? Incidentally, what would be even more interesting was if there were

[LUTE] Re: Chitarrone

2012-10-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
What you call an early Italian 'lute-shaped guitar' is more likely nothing else but - a lute. MH ''--- On Wed, 17/10/12, r.turov...@gmail.com r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: From: r.turov...@gmail.com r.turov...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone To: Monica Hall

[LUTE] Re: the point of synthetics - Rather the movement of the whole lute

2012-10-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Re below: for 'major life's' read 'major life's work' MH --- On Mon, 8/10/12, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [LUTE] Re: the point of synthetics - Rather the movement

[LUTE] Re: On shimming frets.

2012-10-01 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I don't know how this might work with single frets, but with double frets I'm able to ease the fret back towards the nut, rotate it (towards the treble side is best) to bring the old string groove to a position between courses and then ease it back to its original position. The

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
down peg box? To: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute Dmth lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 4 September, 2012, 3:58 I mentioned this to a friend who is not a musician, but a brilliant scientist. His immediate reaction

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-03 Thread Martyn Hodgson
lutes. MH --- On Sun, 2/9/12, Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com wrote: From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box? To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Stephen Stubbs fartrea...@gmail.com, Lute

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Theorboes withstand much greater tensions and don't have a bent back peghead. Ditto for many mandoras/gallichons and for orpharions/bandoras and,of course, for modern six string guitars with high tension strings. A more compact instrument has been suggested - but again that never

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 'Baroque lute' songs

2012-08-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Bill, There are indeed a few sources for songs accompanied by lute: one such which is readily vailable (tho' 18th century) is Beyer's 1760 setting of some Gellert odes. See this: [1]http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/c/c2/IMSLP204541-PMLP34546 6-Gellert.pdf And

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Kleinknecht vid

2012-08-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Excellent - as you say a much neglected work and one requiring much panache and affet which you provide. I wonder if it's an arrangement of a keyboard sonata? I'm not aware of any relevant research - are you? Martyn --- On Tue, 28/8/12, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 'Baroque lute' songs

2012-08-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Matthias, I agree with much of what you say. However regarding the observation that ' One may reasonably argue whether this is an accompaniment or an instrumental arrangement as there is no extra voice part. Instead, the lyrics are written beneath the tablature which

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: 'Baroque lute' songs

2012-08-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Mathias, Thanks for this. Italian 7/8 course lutes are distinctly different to the mandoras/gallichons found in German speaking lands in the 18th century in a number of significant respects. Noteably: 1. Length of neck - mandoras in original state have room for 9 tied

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Fasch concerto

2012-08-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Fasch is a fairly well known composer who wrote works in a variety of forms and instrumentation. His concerto in Dm is in the large Dresden collection (Mus.Ms. 2423.v.1) scored in four parts with lute: two violins, viola, Lluto, cembalo/basso (unfigured). Note that the lute is

[LUTE] Re: fret gut

2012-08-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Stuart, Many people nowadays use a quite large diameter first fret (around 1.00mm or even more on a relatively small [60cm] lute) but, as Martin points out, the best record of actual historic fret sizes is John Dowland (in Varietie) which suggests significantly thinner frets

[LUTE] Re: fret gut

2012-08-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
, 15 August, 2012, 12:14 Yikes! I've just googled the thickness of a 1676 half crown and it is 2.23mm. That seems an awful lot. Bill From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lute List [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart Walsh [3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com

[LUTE] Re: Survival of folk music from 1400-1650.

2012-08-10 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Indeed. Some songs which were once considered to be 'folk' songs (whatever 'folk' song actually is/was) turn out, with the benefit of modern scholarship, to be composed works which became popular in the theatre etc and later set to different texts. Things like 'Auld lang syne'

[LUTE] Re: Aegidius MS?

2012-08-06 Thread Martyn Hodgson
As you point out, this link accesses IV.E.36 only. Is there a link for IV. G. 18? MH --- On Mon, 6/8/12, Taco Walstra wals...@science.uva.nl wrote: From: Taco Walstra wals...@science.uva.nl Subject: [LUTE] Re: Aegidius MS? To: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de Cc:

[LUTE] Re: summary sheet of new Intavolations

2012-07-29 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Walstra did precisely this - perhaps you now might thank him. Of course, it may also be an indication that mostly guitarists were playing your transcriptions. regards Martyn Hodgson --- On Sun, 29/7/12, Anton HAP:ger diwa-animat...@t-online.de wrote: From: Anton HAP:ger diwa

[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble

2012-07-23 Thread Martyn Hodgson
not wish to see their email inbox bombarded by hundreds if not thousands of such offerings if the practice of disseminating them via email postings became general. In any case, surely making ones own arrangements ought to be actively encouraged. Best wishes Martyn Hodgson

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Jaroslaw, It may be some sort of sport (in a modern biological sense), but I suspect either the painter didn't quite get it right - see how the first string is fastened not to the to the body of the bridge but to the treble point! - or the neck is indeed incorrectly set

[LUTE] Re: Eleonore von Schlieben-Sanditten

2012-07-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
. All the best Jaroslaw WiadomoAAAe/= napisana przez Martyn Hodgson w dniu 20 lip 2012, o godz. 09:07: Dear Jaroslaw, It may be some sort of sport (in a modern biological sense), but I suspect either the painter didn't quite get it right - see how the first

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-12 Thread Martyn Hodgson
and Luxlines as far as I know, because they had too many complaints about the quality. JL WiadomoAP:A| napisana przez Martyn Hodgson w dniu 11 lip 2012, o godz. 17:29: Kurschner (in Europe) makes 'Luxline' strings described below: LK, LS Luxline The Luxline is a string especially

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-11 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Kurschner (in Europe) makes 'Luxline' strings described below: LK, LS Luxline The Luxline is a string especially designed by us to give an even transition between plain gut and wound strings, similar to an open wound string in function. It does away with the inherent problems of

[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-10 Thread Martyn Hodgson
But, surely, if the brass strings are sufficiently thin there's no reason why the tension should not be at the usual level. MH --- On Tue, 10/7/12, theoj89...@aol.com theoj89...@aol.com wrote: From: theoj89...@aol.com theoj89...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: brass strings

[LUTE-BUILDER] Re: Scalloped ribs

2012-05-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Bill, It all depends what you mean by scalloped: ranging from a smooth curved section (like the Chambure 'vihuela') through to most curve at the rib extremities - as more commonly found on old instruments and also depicted in some iconography. I presume you're asking about

[LUTE] Re: Lute cracking

2012-05-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
and they asked me to bring it in for an estimate. Thanks again for the advice On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Martyn Hodgson [1][2]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Dear Adam, It may need repairing rather than doing nothing and running the risk

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