[LUTE] Betsy Howard Small... Just Lovely

2020-09-02 Thread Guitar and Lute
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[LUTE] Re : Re: modern lute editions hand written cranky or just weird

2019-12-22 Thread Anthony Hind
I don't use a quill Susan, just a fountain pen with Italic or flex nib, But it's a pleasure to do, and as I said before, necessary for me if want to be able to read tablature on a music stand. I use cream coloured 160g paper that doesn't get blown about. That sa

[LUTE] just beautiful

2019-07-16 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Serendipitously, I tried the combination of Giovanni Valentini's Sonata in D with Kamod on the Bansuri flute. The result is extremely pleasing, probably even for opponents of the India theory. By combining with a "ciacona", the nature of Indian music making is highlighted, also the cyclical nat

[LUTE] just a test

2017-10-25 Thread Leonard Williams
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2013-12-19 Thread erne...@aquila.mus.br
recorded artifact survives? Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:46 PM, JarosAAaw Lipski wrote: WiadomoAAAe napisana przez howard posner w dniu 18 gru 2013, o godz. 23:10: > > On Dec

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Mayes, Joseph
OUCH! On 12/19/13 11:25 AM, "Dan Winheld" wrote: > So your heart belongs to di Dadi (Cole Porter, 1938) > > On 12/19/2013 6:22 AM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: >> On 19/12/13 8:27 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: >>> Richard Taruskin >> Josquin's Missa "Di Dadi" >> >> Funny you should mention these two i

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2013-12-19 Thread Dan Winheld
So your heart belongs to di Dadi (Cole Porter, 1938) On 12/19/2013 6:22 AM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: On 19/12/13 8:27 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Richard Taruskin Josquin's Missa "Di Dadi" Funny you should mention these two in the same email. Decades ago I attended an early music workshop in M

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Braig, Eugene
du Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum This also fits in nicely with Richard Taruskin's often stated thesis that early music performance practice today is really a modern fabrication that seeks to apply 20th (now 21st) ce

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2013-12-19 Thread Bruno Correia
gt; > On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Dan Winheld <[1][4]dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote: > >> Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think of

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Mayes, Joseph
; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum This also fits in nicely with Richard Taruskin's often stated thesis that early music performance practice today is really a modern fabrication that seeks to apply

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2013-12-19 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 19/12/13 8:27 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Richard Taruskin Josquin's Missa "Di Dadi" Funny you should mention these two in the same email. Decades ago I attended an early music workshop in Miami where Taruskin was one of the instructors, and his task of the week was to lead us recorde

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2013-12-19 Thread Edward Mast
Good points and very well said, Chris. Ned To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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2013-12-19 Thread Christopher Wilke
wrote: WiadomoAAAe napisana przez howard posner w dniu 18 gru 2013, o godz. 23:10: > > On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Dan Winheld <[1]dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote: > >> Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st century LUT

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2013-12-19 Thread gary
I'm not qualified to decide what's "right" and what's not in any art. I said, "...from Segovia's point of view..." I'm going to try to refrain from responding any further so as not to raise the ire of the content police. Back to the lute when the numbness in my left hand subsides. Gary On

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2013-12-19 Thread gary
Since this thread seems to be winding down, I just wanted to thank everyone who has contributed to it for a stimulating, spirited and thought provoking conversation. Thank you. Gary To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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2013-12-18 Thread Sean Smith
Often the choice of a few of this or that is to stimulate the listener/ player to search out more. If those who hear it just assume those are the ones to be played and revering only those then we end up, in a sense, worshiping the finger that points the way. I know, it couldn't happ

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2013-12-18 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Wiadomość napisana przez howard posner w dniu 18 gru 2013, o godz. 23:10: > > On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: > >> Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st >> century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century m

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2013-12-18 Thread Bruno Correia
Which doesn't mean his decisions were right... 2013/12/18 gary <[1]magg...@sonic.net> I'm sure from Segovia's point of view in promoting his own tastes he was protecting the integrity of the guitar and the music. Gary On 2013-12-17 13:13, Braig, Eugene wrote: . . . N

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2013-12-18 Thread howard posner
On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: > Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st > century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think of > him what one will otherwise) "outdated"? Not at all. Implicit

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread Roland Hayes
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think of him what one will otherwise) "outdated"?

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread Dan Winheld
Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think of him what one will otherwise) "outdated"? No doubt Mel Neusidler found papa Hans outdated. Maybe Downland thought he was outdate

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2013-12-18 Thread Edward Mast
I'm not a guitarist, but I am a cellist. I do wonder what is meant here about both Segovia and Casals being unmusical, though perhaps this lute forum has wandered far enough afield already. Ned To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/ind

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2013-12-18 Thread Edward Mast
In the latest ad from ArkivMusic i noticed advertised the Complete RCA Album Collection of Julian Bream. Cost is $99.99 and it includes 40 CDs and 2 DVDs, for anyone interested. Ned To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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2013-12-18 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Obviously I meant kids "upbringing" ;-) JL Wiadomość napisana przez r.turov...@gmail.com w dniu 18 gru 2013, o godz. 20:47: > One could argue that the municipal authorities bullied Rosenmüller, and > caused his flight to Italy (on account of his molestation of minors). > They should have resor

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2013-12-18 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
One could argue that the municipal authorities bullied Rosenmüller, and caused his flight to Italy (on account of his molestation of minors). They should have resorted to physical punishment rather than bullying. RT On 12/18/2013 2:24 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: It's scattered among several d

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2013-12-18 Thread Jarosław Lipski
;> The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting for at >>> least a part of the audience at the time it was recorded, >>> sounds completely outdated and boring for most people today, >> >> It's fine with me if you don't find it interesting.

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2013-12-18 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
sting for at least a part of the audience at the time it was recorded, sounds completely outdated and boring for most people today, It's fine with me if you don't find it interesting. It's just a personal taste (for many his playing is still very attractive - see comments under

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-18 Thread Jarosław Lipski
It's scattered among several documents (letters etc). I don't have enough time to dig in all of them now, but if you are really interested I could send it to you in my spare time. Another thing is what could be called bullying at times of Bach. Probably many behaviors that we don't accept wouldn

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Hi, > The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting for at > least a part of the audience at the time it was recorded, > sounds completely outdated and boring for most people today, It's fine with me if you don't find it interesting. It's jus

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread Edward Chrysogonus Yong
On 19 Dec, 2013, at 1:22 AM, "erne...@aquila.mus.br" wrote: > > And the arab / turkish / syrian lutes in use nowadays? > And so it goes... i'd say the Arab lute is far more relevant to this list than Segovia is. τούτο ηλεκτρονικόν ταχυδρομείον εκ είΦωνου εμεύ επέμφθη. Hæ litteræ ele

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2013-12-18 Thread howard posner
On Dec 18, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: > I recall reading that he was fired from an early gig for improper relations > with one of the women in the choir. I don't doubt you read something of the sort, as there is a lot of rubbish written about Bach. He was reproved for a number o

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread erne...@aquila.mus.br
The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting for at least a part of the audience at the time it was recorded, sounds completely outdated and boring for most people today, and may be rediscovered in the future for some reason we would never even think of. Is it somehow re

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-18 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 18/12/13 11:37 AM, howard posner wrote: On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:00 AM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: > Bach was known for bullying kids from his choir Really? Do you have a source for this? I recall reading that he was fired from an early gig for improper relations with one of the women in t

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-18 Thread howard posner
On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:00 AM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: > Bach was known for bullying kids from his choir Really? Do you have a source for this? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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2013-12-18 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Segovia could have been polite and gentle providing that a student followed his remarks, fingerings etc. This is nothing extraordinary in music, and there are similar reported cases from the past centuries . Some big Maestros were known for bullying un-subjugated pupils. (Bach was known for bull

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2013-12-18 Thread Braig, Eugene
I'm not one to embrace the popular by virtue of its simple popularity; I tend to go looking for stuff I like. If that happens to be Segovia, Chapdelain, O'Dette, bubblegum pop, or Scandinavian prog, so be it. I suspect that sentiment is commonplace among those who participate in someth

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2013-12-17 Thread gary
The irony is that Michael's turn to steel string guitar and pop/folk music would only have confirmed Segovia in his disdain. Gary On 2013-12-17 13:26, Braig, Eugene wrote: Chapdelain was the first-ever winner of the Guitar Foundation of America competition, but now specializes in fingerstyle

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2013-12-17 Thread gary
How does one go about preventing the tastes of one person from "shaping the tastes of an art"? Van Gogh couldn't sell a painting to save his life during his own time because of the prevailing taste of his era. Popularity is a factor in determining an era's tastes in art. It seems unfair to faul

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2013-12-17 Thread David Smith
I just listened to some of his arrangements. I really like is interpretation (a romantic on the lute page - what the heck). Thank you for the link. It looks like he moved on nicely from his encounter with Segovia. Many would have been destroyed. David -Original Message- From: lute

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2013-12-17 Thread Alain Veylit
fine ale is much more entertaining than watching it on Youtube. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Durbrow Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:00 AM To: LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just

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2013-12-17 Thread Braig, Eugene
bject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Jeez, that kid deserved a medal for courage under fire! He also still appeared to be brainwashed. Poor talented kid. Probably a venerated master by now. On Dec 14, 2013, at 8:53 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: > This is referred to often: >

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2013-12-17 Thread Braig, Eugene
st Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Really? What about the others? What about Tarrega's disciples (specially Pujol), Barrios, and all the other latin american guitarists? They wouldn't exist without Segovia? I don't think so. There are so many forgot

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2013-12-17 Thread Ed Durbrow
as posted referring to Andres Segovia as a > "bully". I think that's a little harsh, I know it's become popular > to bash Segovia and that he had a huge ego, but I don't recall him > actually bullying anyone into agreeing with his views. It seems t

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2013-12-17 Thread Stephan Olbertz
I heard he made himself ten years younger early in his career, so it must have been impressive for a man in his nineties or even older... Am 16.12.2013, 22:27 Uhr, schrieb Paul Overell : In message <57-52ae0970.3010...@tobiah.org>, Tobiah writes On 12/15/2013 10:52 AM, Chris Barker wrote: I

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2013-12-16 Thread Paul Overell
In message <57-52ae0970.3010...@tobiah.org>, Tobiah writes >On 12/15/2013 10:52 AM, Chris Barker wrote: > >I wonder too about other recent comments that suggest >that he may have played in public longer into his years >than he had ought. Not at all ... I saw Segovia play on three occasions, the

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2013-12-16 Thread gary
Segovia's collection of Sor has value as a pedagogical tool regardless of its source. Re: Segovia's name is larger than Sor's on the book. It occurred to me that this may have been at the suggestion of the publisher. Segovia was probably more well known than Sor at the time so his name would s

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2013-12-15 Thread Sean Smith
ubject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Really? What about the others? What about Tarrega's disciples (specially Pujol), Barrios, and all the other latin american guitarists? They wouldn't exist without Segovia? I don't think so. There are so many forgotten names

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2013-12-15 Thread Chris Barker
telist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Really? What about the others? What about Tarrega's disciples (specially Pujol), Barrios, and all the other latin american guitarists? They wouldn't exist without Segovia? I don't think so. There are so many

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2013-12-15 Thread Bruno Correia
for twenty six years. Please help to make that rest peaceful. Chris Barker -Original Message- From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tobiah Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:27 AM To: 'lutelist' Subject: [

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2013-12-15 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
My cursory perusal of the available YouTube videos show mostly an aging man. I'll make an effort to expose myself to more of his recordings. Toby Be careful: his recording may sue you for gross indecency. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~

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2013-12-15 Thread Tobiah
nt: Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:27 AM To: 'lutelist' Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed On 12/14/2013 5:45 AM, Chris Barker wrote: Re: Gary's comments on Segovia... If it were not for Segovia's efforts, the guitar, lute, and kindred instruments would not occupy

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2013-12-15 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
er 15, 2013 11:27 AM To: 'lutelist' Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed On 12/14/2013 5:45 AM, Chris Barker wrote: Re: Gary's comments on Segovia... If it were not for Segovia's efforts, the guitar, lute, and kindred instruments would not occupy the places t

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2013-12-15 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
ecember 15, 2013 11:27 AM To: 'lutelist' Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed On 12/14/2013 5:45 AM, Chris Barker wrote: Re: Gary's comments on Segovia... If it were not for Segovia's efforts, the guitar, lute, and kindred instruments would not occupy the pla

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2013-12-15 Thread Chris Barker
make that rest peaceful. Chris Barker -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Tobiah Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:27 AM To: 'lutelist' Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed On 12/14/2013 5:45 A

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2013-12-15 Thread Tobiah
decade ago when the young guitarist seated to my left referred to Andres Segovia "as just an uninformed old man with poor performance practice who could be only be heard on a bunch of scratchy LP"s. I took my first guitar lessons in 1958. We all considered Andres Segovia a saint. And now,

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2013-12-15 Thread Christopher Wilke
Howard, On Sun, 12/15/13, howard posner wrote: > In Segovia's edition of Sor studies (which > features Segovia's name in much bigger type than Sor's on > the cover) he changed it to "con calma."  Up yours, > Fernando... It was shown some time ago t

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2013-12-15 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 15/12/13 4:47 AM, William Samson wrote: Segovia's early years seem to be unclear. Does anybody know where he learned to play? Did he study with a master? The Wikipedia article on Segovia gives some of his early history, though I don't know how reliable it is. http://en.wikipedia.org

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2013-12-15 Thread gary
I've heard that Segovia's response to Julian Bream's success was, "An Englishman playing guitar is an abomination," although I don't think that constitutes bullying, just the crankiness of an extremely opinionated man whose opinions were not always correct. Br

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2013-12-15 Thread Franz Mechsner
rg 40 D-14806 Belzig OT Borne franz.mechs...@gmx.de +49(0)33841-441362 Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2013 um 11:07 Uhr Von: gary An: lutelist Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed On 2013-12-14 03:53, David van Ooijen wrote: I don't see any bul

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2013-12-15 Thread gary
On 2013-12-14 03:53, David van Ooijen wrote: I don't see any bullying here, as uncomfortable as it is to watch. And in the student's discussion of the event, he says Segovia's criticisms and behavior were justified and an eye opener. That same student later plays for Segovia who praises his per

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2013-12-15 Thread William Samson
Segovia's early years seem to be unclear. Does anybody know where he learned to play? Did he study with a master? Most of us need to stand on the shoulders of giants, one way or another. Nowadays we are fortunate to be able to attend summer schools where we can have a lesson with

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2013-12-15 Thread David van Ooijen
Wise words, Franz Whilst still at Conservatory, we had the opportunity of having lessons with many of the great musicians in early music. Not all were great teachers. But if we prepared ourselves well, we could get the best out of any lesson by asking the right questions and preparin

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2013-12-14 Thread howard posner
On Dec 14, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Franz Mechsner wrote: > I think Segovia had dedicated so much genius and effort into his views > on music, interpretations, fingerings etc. that he was unable to > imagine that a student could have done better Never mind students; he thought he knew better than

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2013-12-14 Thread Franz Mechsner
9 Uhr Von: "Franz Mechsner" An: "howard posner" Cc: lutelist Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed There are many stories out there about Segovia, among them quite a few about rude manners toward students who would not use his fingerings or,

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2013-12-14 Thread Franz Mechsner
via's performances, declined to comment. --- Dr. Franz Mechsner Zum Kirschberg 40 D-14806 Belzig OT Borne franz.mechs...@gmx.de +49(0)33841-441362 Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2013 um 00:30 Uhr Von: "howard posner" An: lutelist

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2013-12-14 Thread howard posner
On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:44 AM, gary wrote: > Recently, a message was posted referring to Andres Segovia as a "bully". I > think that's a little harsh, I know it's become popular to bash Segovia and > that he had a huge ego, but I don't recall him actually bullying anyone into > agreeing with his

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2013-12-14 Thread Christopher Wilke
topherwilke.com On Sat, 12/14/13, Mayes, Joseph wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed To: "r.turov...@gmail.com" , "Chris Barker" , "'gary'" , "'lutelist'" Date: Saturday, December 14,

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2013-12-14 Thread Christopher Wilke
Gary, On Sat, 12/14/13, gary wrote: > I have never heard > of any actual bullying on Segovia's part. Rather, the onus > for any intimidation would be on the shear number and ardor > of his admirers. That still sounds like bullying to me. Take the st

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2013-12-14 Thread Mayes, Joseph
y years after we die. Joseph Mayes From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of r.turov...@gmail.com [r.turov...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:19 AM To: Chris Barker; 'gary'; 'lutelist' Subjec

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2013-12-14 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
cal Guitar society almost a decade ago when the young guitarist seated to my left referred to Andres Segovia "as just an uninformed old man with poor performance practice who could be only be heard on a bunch of scratchy LP"s. I took my first guitar lessons in 1958. We all conside

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2013-12-14 Thread Allan Alexander
y left referred to Andres Segovia "as just an > uninformed old man with poor performance practice who could be only be > heard on a bunch of scratchy LP"s. I took my first guitar lessons in > 1958. We all considered Andres Segovia a saint. And now, much older > and wiser, are sti

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2013-12-14 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 14/12/13 8:42 AM, Gary R. Boye wrote: It reminded me that I often think that someone transported from another century--even the 19th like Segovia, but especially the early music period--would be horrified at how noisy our modern world is. I've lived in the country for the past 7 years, and h

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2013-12-14 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 14/12/13 8:45 AM, Chris Barker wrote: And now, much older and wiser, are still of the same opinion, and we hold his critics in great disdain. My main memory of that concert by Segovia, aside from the escalotor incident, is of a grumpy looking old man sitting alone on a huge stage with 300

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2013-12-14 Thread Chris Barker
to my left referred to Andres Segovia "as just an uninformed old man with poor performance practice who could be only be heard on a bunch of scratchy LP"s. I took my first guitar lessons in 1958. We all considered Andres Segovia a saint. And now, much older and wiser, are still of the

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2013-12-14 Thread Gary R. Boye
Dear Geoff, Interesting story. It reminded me that I often think that someone transported from another century--even the 19th like Segovia, but especially the early music period--would be horrified at how noisy our modern world is. Not just concert halls, but everywhere: cars, buses

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2013-12-14 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 14/12/13 7:31 AM, Gary R. Boye wrote: Thanks for this; it is worth watching the *whole video* . . . I'm not sure Chapdelaine felt he was being needlessly bullied Yes, it's interesting to hear Chapdelaine's reaction to the "bullying." Segovia was amazingly sensitive to the slightest things.

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2013-12-14 Thread Gary R. Boye
across to students, but when they come into a masterclass just wanting to play for someone and not expecting to actually learn anything, maybe that's just what happens . . . sort of what Michael says afterwards. Gary -- Dr. Gary R. Boye Professor and Music Librarian Appalachian State Uni

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2013-12-14 Thread David van Ooijen
his views. It seems to me that he just expressed his views and his admirers, of which there were many, gleefully adopted them as guitar gospel, bedazzled by his mastery of the guitar. I have never heard of any actual bullying on Segovia's part. Rather, the onus for any int

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-14 Thread gary
Recently, a message was posted referring to Andres Segovia as a "bully". I think that's a little harsh, I know it's become popular to bash Segovia and that he had a huge ego, but I don't recall him actually bullying anyone into agreeing with his views. It seems to me th

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-13 Thread G. Crona
. The gut versus no or partial gut discussion 5. The lute versus guitar discussion 6. The Segovia-Bream-Hoppy discussion as well as a few others. So, a real amalgam of discussions in just the one thread! Great! It clarifies many things, at least for me, and like sometimes happens, a few golden

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-13 Thread Christopher Wilke
Ron, On Thu, 12/12/13, Ron Andrico wrote: > Stubbs did not come to the lute from the typical classical guitar > background and thus has no reason to justify his > technique.  Ron, with this crowd, ya gotta justify everything ;-) Chris Dr. Chri

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-12 Thread Dan Winheld
3540520662&type=1&theater¬if_t=photo_reply Alexander Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:18:19 -0800 From: Dan Winheld [2][3] To: Mayes, Joseph [3][4], Christopher Wilke

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-12 Thread Alexander Batov
ubject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:18:19 -0800 From: Dan Winheld [2] To: Mayes, Joseph [3], Christopher Wilke [4], Bruno Correia [5], List LUTELIST [6] Thank you also, Chris for your last post. Very enlightening, your experience of na

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-12 Thread Alexander Batov
--- Original Message Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 09:18:19 -0800 From: Dan Winheld [2] To: Mayes, Joseph [3], Christopher Wilke [4], Bruno Correia [5], List LUTELIST [6] Thank you also, Chris for your last post. Very enligh

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-12 Thread Bruno Correia
I've just listened to his Kellner recording and for my taste, honestly, it has an unpleasant sound (even with his great playing). I don't know if he is playing with nails, but as the sound is so metallic it confirms your statement. Now, that is a true silvery tone, no

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-12 Thread Ron Andrico
0:09:33 -0500 > To: chriswi...@yahoo.com; bruno.l...@gmail.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: ma...@rowan.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed > > Thanks, Chris > > You've raised the level of discourse. > > Best,

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-12 Thread Dan Winheld
nts, who need nails for their guitar work but want to do as well as they can on lutes and other double course, historically problematic instruments. Don't know why this nail business has to be such an emotionally hot button issue (as it always seems to have been, even just amongst the gu

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-12 Thread Mayes, Joseph
l.) > > Joe, I think you have some valid points which are well worth considering > seriously. > > Chris > > > > Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. > Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer > www.christopherwilke.com > > >

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-12 Thread Christopher Wilke
- On Thu, 12/12/13, Mayes, Joseph wrote: Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed To: "Bruno Correia" , "List LUTELIST" Date: Thursday, December 12, 2013, 8:01 AM OK good people, this will be my final post on this subject. I grow weary of the g

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2013-12-12 Thread Mayes, Joseph
right, too. > >I thought this list was supposedly a place to discuss lute performance >practice and not each ones taste. Some people may prefer to play with >nails on carbon single strings and with amplification. What does it >have to do with HIP? Lute performance p

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2013-12-12 Thread erne...@aquila.mus.br
ngle strings and with amplification. What does it have to do with HIP? But, as I say, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Play any way you want to, just leave the dogma on the porch. Joseph Mayes From: [2]lut

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2013-12-11 Thread Bruno Correia
le strings and with amplification. What does it have to do with HIP? But, as I say, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Play any way you want to, just leave the dogma on the porch. Joseph Mayes From: [2]lute

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-11 Thread Bruno Correia
Do you think he needed it? 2013/12/10 Tom Draughon <[1]t...@heartistrymusic.com> With Viagra he may have had more! -- References 1. mailto:t...@heartistrymusic.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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2013-12-11 Thread gary
m>, List LUTELIST <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed I play the lute, archlute and vihuela with nails for the same reason that I play the classical guitar with nails: because it sounds better! Of course, by that I mean it sounds

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-11 Thread gary
Ah, the "just leave your dogma on the porch" dogma. Gary On 2013-12-10 18:20, Mayes, Joseph wrote: Well, I was sort of fearing some push-back from the "tap-dancing barefoot" crowd. I don't know how you can speak for most of the lutenists out there. I certainly o

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2013-12-10 Thread Sean Smith
quot;thub, thub" one achieves without them is so unsatisfying as to be lamentable. No - that's not actually what I think - It's just the same sort of tone that I'm responding to. Tarrega played with nails until he lost them due to fungus - He convinced his late-in-life stud

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Mayes, Joseph
t them is so unsatisfying as to be lamentable. No - that's not actually what I think - It's just the same sort of tone that I'm responding to. Tarrega played with nails until he lost them due to fungus - He convinced his late-in-life student Pujol that flesh was the way to go

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Sean Smith
an -Original Message- From: "Mayes, Joseph" <[2]ma...@rowan.edu> Sent: Dec 10, 2013 11:23 AM To: Bruno Correia <[3]bruno.l...@gmail.com>, List LUTELIST <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed I play the lute, archlu

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed

2013-12-10 Thread Tom Draughon
-- >> From: "Mayes, Joseph" <[2]ma...@rowan.edu> >> Sent: Dec 10, 2013 11:23 AM >> To: Bruno Correia <[3]bruno.l...@gmail.com>, List LUTELIST > <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed >

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2013-12-10 Thread Bruno Correia
fun. Allan -Original Message- >From: "Mayes, Joseph" <[2]ma...@rowan.edu> >Sent: Dec 10, 2013 11:23 AM >To: Bruno Correia <[3]bruno.l...@gmail.com>, List LUTELIST <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collecti

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