Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 05/22/2018 07:10 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote: > Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > Average user can misunderstand it with a probability of 50%. Those who > misunderstood it and denied the update can end up with an unusable LyX. No, they do not. If they deny, then NOTHING HAPPENS. >>> Damn,

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > >>> Average user can misunderstand it with a probability of 50%. Those who > >>> misunderstood it and denied the update can end up with an unusable LyX. > >> > >> No, they do not. If they deny, then NOTHING HAPPENS. > > > > Damn, that is not true! > > I am saying

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Le 21/05/2018 à 23:46, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : > As JMarc mentioned, he uses Windows all the time Full disclosure: I would not say "all the time", but regularly. JMarc knows how to act if e.g. MiKTeX 32 bit was installed as admin and MiKTeX 64bit over it only with user privileges? This would be

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > On 05/21/2018 05:46 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > Am 14.05.2018 um 04:11 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: > > > >> Even *the MikTeX maintainer* has made it clear that we should not > >> update MikTeX without asking

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 05/21/2018 05:46 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 14.05.2018 um 04:11 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: > >> Even *the MikTeX maintainer* has made it clear that we should not >> update MikTeX without asking permission from the user. > > Where has he stated this? He said so in an email to Scott. Which

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 14.05.2018 um 04:11 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: The ONLY question at the moment is about a warning dialog at the outset: Yes. and i made clear why I won't take the responsibility to do this. You try to please the, let's say 5 % of our expert users who might have some reasons not to

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 05/13/2018 01:34 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 12.05.2018 um 05:13 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: >>> Please make your decision and tell me. >> >> Others can speak up if they wish, but I believe we have made ourselves >> clear. We will not release an official Windows installer that updates >>

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 05/13/2018 01:34 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 12.05.2018 um 05:13 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: >>> Please make your decision and tell me. >> >> Others can speak up if they wish, but I believe we have made ourselves >> clear. We will not release an official Windows installer that updates >>

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 05/13/2018 01:34 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 12.05.2018 um 05:13 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: >>> Please make your decision and tell me. >> >> Others can speak up if they wish, but I believe we have made ourselves >> clear. We will not release an official Windows installer that updates >>

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 12.05.2018 um 05:13 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: No, I may wish to make use of it. I am in the process of figuring out how to build the Windows installer myself, as you suggested. The code belongs to LyX, not to you. I never said that it belongs to me. Please make your decision and

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Saturday, 12 May 2018 04.13.02 WEST Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > I understand that you think Windows users would be confused by a simple > dialog asking their permission to update MikTeX. I have spoken to > several Windows users over the last few days who think otherwise. For a > public

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 05/11/2018 10:20 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > _Should I remove the Win installer code from LyX's git?_ No, I may wish to make use of it. I am in the process of figuring out how to build the Windows installer myself, as you suggested. The code belongs to LyX, not to you. > If yes, I'll release

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 07.04.2018 um 00:48 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: installer that is as automatic as it can be. Many of the rest of us have real doubts about the wisdom of this, That is what annoys me. You doubt that I am wise enough to set up LyX for Windows users. First of all, I specifically said

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 07.04.2018 um 00:40 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: If MiKTeX can be broken some other way, that's a bug in MiKTeX and not one we should be trying to fix via the LyX installer. That is the fundamental difference between my and your approach. I see the user perspective. And for the user it

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 11:01:00AM +, racoon wrote: > On 06.04.2018 11:18, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > Le 06/04/2018 à 00:40, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : > > > Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > > > > > In my opinion it is that important, because updating LyX could break > > >

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Posted this on 08/04/2018 13:36, seems that it did not find its path to lyx-devel over the week-end stale of the list manager. Le 05/04/2018 à 04:47, Scott Kostyshak a écrit : [.snip.] I just received an email from Christian Schenk, the developer of MiKTeX, in which he says that a MiKTeX

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 09:18:54AM +, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 06/04/2018 à 00:40, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : > > Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > > > In my opinion it is that important, because updating LyX could break > > > something else on a user's computer. > > > >

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Thu, Apr 05, 2018 at 10:40:32PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > Again, the MiKTeX update doesn't break anything, see above and we spoke > about this now a dozen times. Would you be open to just one more round of discussing this? We could start a

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Thu, Apr 05, 2018 at 10:13:04PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Sure and I did not decide about LyX but about how a certain installer page > should look to overcome a problem with a third-party program that is > Win-only. I think I can decide this. This is no LyX issue. It is an > additional feature

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 04/05/2018 06:13 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 05.04.2018 um 03:02 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: > >> have created an >> installer that is as automatic as it can be. Many of the rest of us have >> real doubts about the wisdom of this, > > That is what annoys me. You doubt that I am wise enough to

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 04/05/2018 06:40 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Finally, please tell me why it is not sufficient that expert users can > read the release announcement to make certain MiKTeX settings if they > like before they use the Win installer and why we should instead > bother average users with a question that

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 06.04.2018 11:18, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 06/04/2018 à 00:40, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: In my opinion it is that important, because updating LyX could break something else on a user's computer. No! Why do you claim this again? Don't mix

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Le 06/04/2018 à 00:40, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: In my opinion it is that important, because updating LyX could break something else on a user's computer. No! Why do you claim this again? Don't mix potential bugs in a LaTeX package on CTAN with LyX.

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Le 20/03/2018 à 03:17, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : The probability of pressing No if you don't understand is 50%. If the default is set to Yes, I am ready to take the bet that people just press Enter and that your estimation is wrong. Besides, to take your car analogy: what if the user pushes the

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 05.04.2018 um 04:47 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: In my opinion it is that important, because updating LyX could break something else on a user's computer. No! Why do you claim this again? Don't mix potential bugs in a LaTeX package on CTAN with LyX. With this argumentation every package

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 05.04.2018 um 03:02 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: It is not true that people don't trust you, and it really isn't helpful to phrase it that way. This is not an issue of expertise, experience, or anythinng of that sort. It's a judgement call about what to do in what is obviously a difficult

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 04/04/2018 10:47 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 11:07:42PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: >> I am sorry but I cannot understand not to release the Win installer just for >> a dialog or not. Is this that important not to release our hard work over >> months for LyX 2.3.0 for

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 11:07:42PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 31.03.2018 um 19:37 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > I've included something along these lines in the newest proposal for a > > dialog. > > Dear Developers, > > yes, I take it personally that you cannot trust me as Windows developer

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 04/04/2018 07:07 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 31.03.2018 um 19:37 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > >> I've included something along these lines in the newest proposal for a >> dialog. > > Dear Developers, > > yes, I take it personally that you cannot trust me as Windows > developer who has experiences

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 31.03.2018 um 19:37 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: I've included something along these lines in the newest proposal for a dialog. Dear Developers, yes, I take it personally that you cannot trust me as Windows developer who has experiences with LyX under Windows for more than 10 years. I gave

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 04:13:13PM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > Alse we can always add something like "If you don't know what the message > > above > > exactly means you probably want to press 'Yes'" as I sometimes saw on other > > installers. > > I think this could be a good idea. I've

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 19.03.2018 um 00:44 schrieb Pavel Sanda: I checked it out. When I used the installer I did not give me any option, it just 'informed' that MiKTeX is going to be upgraded and forced me to accept it. That's what I said can make some people mad and decent application should not do without

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Uwe Stöhr wrote: >> Generally speaking - apart from your mom, which might indeed be better >> served without additional info, there is also crowd of people who go mad >> when software contain hidden "kits" which were nowhere mentioned. > > Sure, but people like my mother are the average users in

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > Thanks for those arguments, Joel. You make good points. However, I think > we should still go forward with the release. Understood, and as I said: I held unpopular opinions. If I felt strongly, I would have

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 07:27:57PM +, Joel Kulesza wrote: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 08:56:15AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > > > > I agree that the language of the dialog can be a problem. But there is > > no

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 08:56:15AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > > I agree that the language of the dialog can be a problem. But there is > no rush > > and if you can't stand for the version with english dialog, we can

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 03/16/2018 12:13 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 08:56:15AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote: > I think I differ from Pavel (and Richard?) perhaps in that my main > argument is actually focused on the average Windows user of LyX. [...] There > are more and more average Windows

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 03:40:01PM +, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > On 03/16/2018 10:09 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > Am 16.03.2018 um 09:56 schrieb Pavel Sanda: > > > >> Uwe Stöhr wrote: > >>> So my plan is to use the 2.3.0 installer also as repair kit. > >> > >> Yes, this was kind of clear and

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 08:56:15AM +, Pavel Sanda wrote: > I agree that the language of the dialog can be a problem. But there is no rush > and if you can't stand for the version with english dialog, we can advertise > the installer once you get the translations you need and are happy with

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 03/16/2018 10:09 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 16.03.2018 um 09:56 schrieb Pavel Sanda: > >> Uwe Stöhr wrote: >>> So my plan is to use the 2.3.0 installer also as repair kit. >> >> Yes, this was kind of clear and pretty much everyone on this list >> thinks that >> we should not do such things

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 16.03.2018 um 09:56 schrieb Pavel Sanda: Uwe Stöhr wrote: So my plan is to use the 2.3.0 installer also as repair kit. Yes, this was kind of clear and pretty much everyone on this list thinks that we should not do such things hiddenly without advertising. This is not hidden. As you have

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Uwe Stöhr wrote: > So my plan is to use the 2.3.0 installer also as repair kit. Yes, this was kind of clear and pretty much everyone on this list thinks that we should not do such things hiddenly without advertising. I agree that the language of the dialog can be a problem. But there is no rush

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 15.03.2018 um 18:29 schrieb Richard Heck: I was talking about whether anything would happen *as a result of someone running the installer*. I understand that there are *other* ways that the MiKTeX installation can be damaged, as happened to your mother. That is a really horrible MiKTeX bug,

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 05:29:30PM +, Richard Heck wrote: > > The installer for LyX 2.3.1 will return to the old behavior. > > Why? Won't that just break the installations of people still using 2.2.3? I'm also confused by this. Maybe he means that in the case that an installation of LyX

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 03/15/2018 11:45 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 14.03.2018 um 04:31 schrieb Richard Heck: > >> If this dialog is popped at the very beginning of the installation, >> before ANYTHING is actually done, then it is impossible that the >> MiKTeX installation >> should be affected. > > This is not true

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 14.03.2018 um 04:31 schrieb Richard Heck: If this dialog is popped at the very beginning of the installation, before ANYTHING is actually done, then it is impossible that the MiKTeX installation should be affected. This is not true and I don't get why I cannot make this clear to you.

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 15.03.2018 04:13, Scott Kostyshak wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 01:48:02AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: Why don't you add a sentence or two to the release notes for the experienced users that they can set in MiKTeX "never" to package updates. Experienced users will understand this. That is the

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 01:48:02AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Why don't you add a sentence or two to the release notes for the experienced > users that they can set in MiKTeX "never" to package updates. Experienced > users will understand this. That is the most suitable solution. I think a dialog

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 03/13/2018 09:48 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 13.03.2018 um 04:17 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > >> I definitely agree that every additional dialog is an additional >> possibility for confusion. I think where we disagree is on the benefit >> that the dialog could bring. > > Yes. You don't understand

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 13.03.2018 um 04:17 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: I definitely agree that every additional dialog is an additional possibility for confusion. I think where we disagree is on the benefit that the dialog could bring. Yes. You don't understand that users who don't about LaTeX and deny the update

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:16:21PM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:08:35AM +, Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote: > > > Here is a proposal: > > > > "LyX is going to update MiKTeX to the last 2.9 version. > > "If you do not use MiKTeX with other applications than LyX, you

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:08:35AM +, Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote: > Here is a proposal: > > "LyX is going to update MiKTeX to the last 2.9 version. > "If you do not use MiKTeX with other applications than LyX, you can continue > safely. > "If you do use MiKTeX with other applications and do

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 03:17:58AM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > > Can't you see that the majority doesn't know what a package is? Most > > of my students and colleagues didn't know this but were able to write their > > master or Ph.D. thesis with LyX. > > Therefore giving users a choice they

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 08:52:52PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > It is not, it only make things worse. Every dialog can cause confusions. You > are only looking from your professional view and I failed to make this > clear. I could be wrong on this, but I thought that I brought up the idea that the

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Uwe Stöhr wrote: > I explained now in a dozen mails my decision. Feel free to add whatever you > like in the release notes. Feel also free not to announce the Win installer > officially or not to put it in ftp.lyx.org. Ok, can you please make it clear whether this silent behind-back upgrade is

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Note however that using LyX without LaTeX is not really a pleasure. One > gets at each use a dialog box on startup plus dialog box for each loaded > file complaining that something is wrong. I have to install texlive on my > home windows 10 computer just for that

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Le 11/03/2018 à 18:17, Richard Heck a écrit : I cannot for the life of me see why adding a warning that proceeding with the installation will require updating MikTeX, and giving the user the option to abort the installation, could cause any problems at all. If there's a worry that this will

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 11.03.2018 um 18:12 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: I think that's what we're doing. The basic disagreement we have is that I think adding a dialog will bring more benefit than harm. And I made clear why I am opposed to this. In the end it costs my spare time if something does not work. Users

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 03/11/2018 01:12 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 04:34:49PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: >> Am 11.03.2018 um 05:08 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: >> So there are already 3 possible workarounds for experienced users in the LyX installer and these options are all

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 04:34:49PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 11.03.2018 um 05:08 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > > So there are already 3 possible workarounds for experienced users in the > > > LyX > > > installer and these options are all translated. > > > > That behavior sounds good. My

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Le 11/03/2018 à 03:48, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Your argumentation is like I decided to drive with a car. If the fuel is empty I have to refuel it because I want to drive. No fuel - no drive. It is more like the following: your are invited at my home for the week-end and we decide to use the car

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Le 11/03/2018 à 03:48, Uwe Stöhr a écrit : Your argumentation is like I decided to drive with a car. If the fuel is empty I have to refuel it because I want to drive. No fuel - no drive. It is more like the following: your are invited at my home for the week-end and we decide to use the car

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 11.03.2018 um 05:08 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: So there are already 3 possible workarounds for experienced users in the LyX installer and these options are all translated. That behavior sounds good. My concern though is that even experienced users will not guess that LyX will update MiKTeX.

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 02:48:03AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 11.03.2018 um 01:29 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > I think our main point of difference is below. If the LyX 2.3.0 > > installer successfully installs LyX, but has a bad secondary effect, I'm > > guessing you would agree that a

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 11.03.2018 um 01:29 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: I think our main point of difference is below. If the LyX 2.3.0 installer successfully installs LyX, but has a bad secondary effect, I'm guessing you would agree that a dialog would make sense, right? I am not the developer of MiKTeX but I see

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 10.03.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Uwe Stöhr: Meanwhile I got the report that version 4 of the LyX Win installer fails on some 64bit Windows. I am currently working on this and will most probably come up with another version of the installer that fixes this. I could fix this now. I indeed forgot

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:25:12AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 11.03.2018 um 00:57 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > If in the LyX 2.3.0 installer we provide an informative dialog, the user > > might say "oh I did not know that LyX needed to update MiKTeX. I will > > not install LyX now because I

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:04:38AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 11.03.2018 um 00:57 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > I believe their goal is to get a working LyX, but they are not aware > > that they might be paying a cost. They might not want to update MiKTeX, > > and they should not expect that

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 11.03.2018 um 00:57 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: If in the LyX 2.3.0 installer we provide an informative dialog, the user might say "oh I did not know that LyX needed to update MiKTeX. I will not install LyX now because I need to submit my paper tomorrow. After I submit my paper, I can deal with

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 11.03.2018 um 00:57 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: I believe their goal is to get a working LyX, but they are not aware that they might be paying a cost. They might not want to update MiKTeX, and they should not expect that LyX is going to update MiKTeX. Thus, although they might want a working

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:53:36PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 10.03.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Uwe Stöhr: > > > I understand what you wrote but not your goal behind it. > > I use the LyX installer to install LyX. Therefore I expect a working LyX > > afterwards. > > In other words: > > - we agree

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 08:37:30PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 09.03.2018 um 18:33 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > Do you understand the argument that I, Richard, Jean-Marc, and racoon > > have expressed (to those I cite, please correct me if I misrepresent > > your opinion)? > > I understand

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 10.03.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Uwe Stöhr: I understand what you wrote but not your goal behind it. I use the LyX installer to install LyX. Therefore I expect a working LyX afterwards. In other words: - we agree that users who run an installer of LyX want * to get LyX * a working LyX So

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 09.03.2018 um 18:33 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: Do you understand the argument that I, Richard, Jean-Marc, and racoon have expressed (to those I cite, please correct me if I misrepresent your opinion)? I understand what you wrote but not your goal behind it. I use the LyX installer to install

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 03/09/2018 09:16 AM, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 09.03.2018 um 05:58 schrieb Uwe Stöhr: > >> Am 09.03.2018 um 05:34 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: >> >>>  From what I understand, I think we still need to come to an >>> agreement on >>> whether to provide a dialog to the user asking if they would like to

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Fri, Mar 09, 2018 at 04:58:07AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 09.03.2018 um 05:34 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > From what I understand, I think we still need to come to an agreement on > > whether to provide a dialog to the user asking if they would like to > > either cancel the installation

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 09.03.2018 um 05:58 schrieb Uwe Stöhr: Am 09.03.2018 um 05:34 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:  From what I understand, I think we still need to come to an agreement on whether to provide a dialog to the user asking if they would like to either cancel the installation or proceed and have the

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 09.03.2018 um 05:34 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: From what I understand, I think we still need to come to an agreement on whether to provide a dialog to the user asking if they would like to either cancel the installation or proceed and have the installer update MiKTeX. Please, I wrote now so

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 09:45:48PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 08.03.2018 um 22:19 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > Unfortunately I think the MiKTeX issues also affect the installer (see > > the email from Uwe on Feb. 26). > > I just post that all known issues have been fixed from my Windows

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

I just tried the windows installer. Here is what it does (no evaluation intended since I probably don't understand enough of this). 1. LyX installs fine. 2. The user is not asked whether to update MiKTeX or cancel the setup. 3. There are a couple of messages that seem fine but are also a bit

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 08.03.2018 um 22:19 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: Unfortunately I think the MiKTeX issues also affect the installer (see the email from Uwe on Feb. 26). I just post that all known issues have been fixed from my Windows perspective. You can in my opinion go an release. regards Uwe

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Thu, Mar 08, 2018 at 09:10:49PM +, Richard Heck wrote: > Did you suggest at one point releasing just the installer and not the > bundle? Can we do that? It seems unfortunate to delay the release > altogether just because MiKTeX has bugs. Unfortunately I think the MiKTeX issues also affect

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On 03/08/2018 12:08 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 08:26:17PM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > >> If we do not go forward with the release as discussed in the preceding >> paragraph, another question is: should we wait another few days to see >> if we are ready to release the

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 08:26:17PM +, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > If we do not go forward with the release as discussed in the preceding > paragraph, another question is: should we wait another few days to see > if we are ready to release the Windows binaries so we can announce > everything

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Le 07/03/2018 à 16:24, Scott Kostyshak a écrit : However, you can use LyX also without LaTeX. The LyX installer provides an option for this. This way you can try around and maybe later install LaTeX. A later installed LaTeX (TeXLive or MiKTeX) can be found by LyX if the path to the latex.exe is

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 03:08:19PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 05.03.2018 um 17:58 schrieb Joel Kulesza: > > > At least, the way I read the step, the installer is the component not > > finding the latex.exe executable, not the LyX executable itself > > Just for information: > The LyX installer

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 05.03.2018 um 17:58 schrieb Joel Kulesza: At least, the way I read the step, the installer is the component not finding the latex.exe executable, not the LyX executable itself Just for information: The LyX installer searches for the latex.exe. If it cannot find it, LyX cannot find it as

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Wed, Mar 07, 2018 at 03:01:42PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 04.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > >The following statements are specific to Windows users: > > ... > >- After the installation of LyX, the MiKTeX package manager pops up. You > > can just close it. > >

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 04.03.2018 um 16:50 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: The following statements are specific to Windows users: ... - After the installation of LyX, the MiKTeX package manager pops up. You can just close it. This item can be removed. This is now fixed in MiKTeX. regards Uwe

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 04:58:37PM +, Joel Kulesza wrote: > At least, the way I read the step, the installer is the component not > finding the latex.exe executable, not the LyX executable itself > post-install (at which point, one couldn't "just close the installer" > because it would have

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 8:50 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 11:46:53PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > > Am 03.03.2018 um 21:26 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > > > >- If you have a problem compiling the document Help > User Guide > after > > > installation,

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 11:46:53PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > Am 03.03.2018 um 21:26 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: > > >- If you have a problem compiling the document Help > User Guide after > > installation, consider uninstalling LyX and MiKTeX, and then using > > the LyX *bundle*

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 11:35:23PM +, Joel Kulesza wrote: > I recommend reordering so the bullets will be presented in the order the > issues must be faced / may be encountered (keeping the dashes but I use > numbers to show new order). For example: > > 2, 4, 1, 3 > > Note that I haven’t

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

Am 03.03.2018 um 21:26 schrieb Scott Kostyshak: - If you have a problem compiling the document Help > User Guide after installation, consider uninstalling LyX and MiKTeX, and then using the LyX *bundle* installer, which will automatically reinstall MiKTeX. Please replace

Re: Update on 2.3.0 situation and Windows-specific issues

> The current Windows-specific part of the announcement email that I'm > planning to send is the following: > > --- > The following statements are specific to Windows users: > 1 - After the installation of LyX, the MiKTeX package manager pops up. >You can just close it. > 2 - If you installed