[Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-access]: Mac accessibility

[Esther Kinsman]

I did not receive a reply to my email so s
will try again.  the repeating keys are the arrow keys and happens when 
reading tex a line at a time.  No reason - not holding down the key, etc. 
only doing a tap at a time.  This is my second keyboard and although it is 
not as bad it is still happening.
- Original Message - 
From: "John Panarese" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Mac accessibility



  What do you mean by repeating?  Also, where is it occurring?


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On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:40 AM, Esther Kinsman 
 wrote:


Somewhere along the way I was led to think the Mac with voice over was 
easy to work but am quickly learning differently.  My key board seems to 
be repeating on the arrow keys?  I got the keyboard replaced but it is 
still doing it - and I set the repeat to none on the keyboard settings. 
Has anyone else had this problem?


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Re: [Mac-access]: moving to top or bottom of document

[Esther kinsman]

I have accidentally discovered that if you hold down the v o keys and hit the 
up or down arrow then the end or home key the list of emails in the in box will 
  move about a dozen lines.
On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:48 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

>   I'mnot sure what you are asking?  Do you mean while viewing the messages 
> themselves? 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Esther kinsman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, it works!  Now what do I do when I am in a table - for example if I am 
>> in the mail box how do I move up and down in multiple lines.
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:16 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>>  It depends on what kind of list you are in.  Be sure you are interacting 
>>> first and try option-up or option-down arrow.  Also, 
>>> control-option-shift-home or end on a full sized keyboard.  On a laptop, 
>>> shift-FN-control-option-left or right arrow.
>>> 
>>> In text, command-up and command-down arrow will take you to the top or 
>>> bottom of the document.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Esther Kinsman 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This doesn't work for me!  Any other suggestions?
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>>>> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: moving to top or bottom of document
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Huh? option up and down arrow move me up to the top and bottom of a list 
>>>>> all the time.  If that fails try cmd up and down arrow. Page down and and 
>>>>> up don't and will nevr work, at least they have not for me in 5 years.
>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Esther kinsman 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No this only moves the curser one line at a time - I was looking to move 
>>>>>> page up or down or go to home or end of page or document.
>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello. Normally cmd up and down arrow will do this for you.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Esther Kinsman 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi:\
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is there a quick way to move to the top or bottom of a document, list 
>>>>>>>> of email messages, etc?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Top Sites

[Esther kinsman]

I don’t have a track pad and discovered a way to delete them.  I have to admit 
that sometimes it is frustrating trying to open or view some of the top sites.  
Is there a protocol method to use?
On Apr 23, 2015, at 1:57 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

>   Yes, if I'm dealing with a large list, I will use the trackpad to scroll up 
> or down.  If there is a keyboard shortcut to do this, I am not aware of it.  
> I never like to say it might not exist because I've been proven wrong before.
> 
> 
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>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> You can also hid ehtr top sites from ou bu accessibng the view menu. I can't 
>> recall where it is in said menu but it is there.
>> 
>> Take care. 
>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Eleanor burke  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> go into bookmarks our favourites and delete them from there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Apr 2015, at 13:42, Esther Kinsman  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> When I open safari there is a number of sites listed that I used 
>>>> previously but would like to delete now.  Can anyone tell me how to delete 
>>>> them?
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Re: [Mac-access]: Top Sites

[Esther kinsman]

I am still trying to understand the need to hide.  I have discovered by 
accident that if I bring up the menu by pressing v o select and the letter M 
there is a delete function which works sometimes.
On Apr 23, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> To get rid of top sites hide it  in the view menu.  I can't remember wher it 
> is but yeah.
> 
> Hth.
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 11:34 AM, Diane Bomare  wrote:
>> 
>> Sarah, pls retype your message  could not decipher typos  
>> 
>> Diane Bomar
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:39, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> You can also hid ehtr top sites from ou bu accessibng the view menu. I can't 
>> recall where it is in said menu but it is there.
>> 
>> Take care. 
>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:56 AM, Eleanor burke  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> go into bookmarks our favourites and delete them from there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Apr 2015, at 13:42, Esther Kinsman  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> When I open safari there is a number of sites listed that I used 
>>>> previously but would like to delete now.  Can anyone tell me how to delete 
>>>> them?
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Re: [Mac-access]: Mac accessibility

[Esther kinsman]

No, I don’t hold the key down - just tap it.
On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:49 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

>I'm still not sure what you are describing. When does this happen?  Are 
> you holding down the arrow keys too long?  
> 
> 
> Take Care
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>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Esther kinsman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> When it repeats it sounds like a woodpecker!!!  It happens mostly in mail or 
>> on web sites.On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:17 AM, John Panarese 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> What do you mean by repeating?  Also, where is it occurring?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
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>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:40 AM, Esther Kinsman 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Somewhere along the way I was led to think the Mac with voice over was 
>>>> easy to work but am quickly learning differently.  My key board seems to 
>>>> be repeating on the arrow keys?  I got the keyboard replaced but it is 
>>>> still doing it - and I set the repeat to none on the keyboard settings.  
>>>> Has anyone else had this problem?
>>>> 
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Re: [Mac-access]: moving to top or bottom of document

[Esther kinsman]

When looking in your In Box all the messages are listed and I would like to 
know how to manoeuvre multiple line - such as page up, etc.
On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:48 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

>   I'mnot sure what you are asking?  Do you mean while viewing the messages 
> themselves? 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Esther kinsman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey, it works!  Now what do I do when I am in a table - for example if I am 
>> in the mail box how do I move up and down in multiple lines.
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:16 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>>  It depends on what kind of list you are in.  Be sure you are interacting 
>>> first and try option-up or option-down arrow.  Also, 
>>> control-option-shift-home or end on a full sized keyboard.  On a laptop, 
>>> shift-FN-control-option-left or right arrow.
>>> 
>>> In text, command-up and command-down arrow will take you to the top or 
>>> bottom of the document.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
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>>> 
>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Esther Kinsman 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This doesn't work for me!  Any other suggestions?
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>>>> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:39 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: moving to top or bottom of document
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Huh? option up and down arrow move me up to the top and bottom of a list 
>>>>> all the time.  If that fails try cmd up and down arrow. Page down and and 
>>>>> up don't and will nevr work, at least they have not for me in 5 years.
>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Esther kinsman 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No this only moves the curser one line at a time - I was looking to move 
>>>>>> page up or down or go to home or end of page or document.
>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello. Normally cmd up and down arrow will do this for you.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Esther Kinsman 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi:\
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is there a quick way to move to the top or bottom of a document, list 
>>>>>>>> of email messages, etc?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: [Mac-access]: moving to top or bottom of document

[Esther kinsman]

Hey, it works!  Now what do I do when I am in a table - for example if I am in 
the mail box how do I move up and down in multiple lines.
On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:16 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

>It depends on what kind of list you are in.  Be sure you are interacting 
> first and try option-up or option-down arrow.  Also, 
> control-option-shift-home or end on a full sized keyboard.  On a laptop, 
> shift-FN-control-option-left or right arrow.
> 
>   In text, command-up and command-down arrow will take you to the top or 
> bottom of the document.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Esther Kinsman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This doesn't work for me!  Any other suggestions?
>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: moving to top or bottom of document
>> 
>> 
>>> Huh? option up and down arrow move me up to the top and bottom of a list 
>>> all the time.  If that fails try cmd up and down arrow. Page down and and 
>>> up don't and will nevr work, at least they have not for me in 5 years.
>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Esther kinsman 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No this only moves the curser one line at a time - I was looking to move 
>>>> page up or down or go to home or end of page or document.
>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello. Normally cmd up and down arrow will do this for you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take care.
>>>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Esther Kinsman 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi:\
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there a quick way to move to the top or bottom of a document, list of 
>>>>>> email messages, etc?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus 
>>>>>> protection is active.
>>>>>> http://www.avast.com
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>>>>>> mac-access@mac-access.net
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> forum at the list's public Mail Archive:
>>>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>.
>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from:
>>>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml>
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Re: [Mac-access]: Mac accessibility

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When it repeats it sounds like a woodpecker!!!  It happens mostly in mail or on 
web sites.On Apr 23, 2015, at 10:17 AM, John Panarese 
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>   What do you mean by repeating?  Also, where is it occurring?
> 
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>> to work but am quickly learning differently.  My key board seems to be 
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[Mac-access]: Top Sites

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When I open safari there is a number of sites listed that I used previously but 
would like to delete now.  Can anyone tell me how to delete them?

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Somewhere along the way I was led to think the Mac with voice over was easy to 
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Re: [Mac-access]: moving to top or bottom of document

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This doesn't work for me!  Any other suggestions?
- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: moving to top or bottom of document


Huh? option up and down arrow move me up to the top and bottom of a list 
all the time.  If that fails try cmd up and down arrow. Page down and and 
up don't and will nevr work, at least they have not for me in 5 years.
On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Esther kinsman 
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No this only moves the curser one line at a time - I was looking to move 
page up or down or go to home or end of page or document.

On Apr 21, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:


Hello. Normally cmd up and down arrow will do this for you.

Take care.
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Hi:\

Is there a quick way to move to the top or bottom of a document, list 
of email messages, etc?


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Re: [Mac-access]: moving to top or bottom of document

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No this only moves the curser one line at a time - I was looking to move page 
up or down or go to home or end of page or document.
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> Hello. Normally cmd up and down arrow will do this for you.
> 
> Take care. 
>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Esther Kinsman  
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Hi:\

Is there a quick way to move to the top or bottom of a document, list of email 
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Hello: I subscribed to this list, but when I post I'm informed that I'm not 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Nicknames in contacts

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Hi Paul,

Colin has given you a way to add nicknames to your contacts from your Mac, but 
from your example I presume you would prefer to do this from your iPhone.  You 
can easily add nicknames to your contacts on the iPhone.  For example,  on your 
iPhone,  you can tell Siri, "Open contacts app for Bob".  (You can also do this 
by double tapping on the Phone app or and then double tapping on the "Contacts" 
tab, or by double tapping on the Contacts app, and typing in "Bob" in the 
search text field.).
1. Double tap on one of the two entries for "Bob", flick to the "Edit" button 
in the top right corner, and double tap.
2. Do a four-finger tap on the bottom half of the screen to move to the last 
entry, which should be "add field".
3. Flick left to the "Insert add field" button and double tap.
4. On the "Add Field" screen, flick right through the name field options 
("Prefix", "Phonetic First Name", "Phonetic Last Name", "Middle", and "Suffix") 
to "Nickname" and double tap.
5. Enter the nickname you want associated with this contact.  (I assume you can 
identify the individual from either the email or phone number information on 
his contact page.)
6. Double tap the "Done" button in the top right corner of the Contact Info 
screen. 

You can now use the nickname in your Contacts entry to have Siri send mail or 
text messages, or to phone either individual named "Bob".

HTH,
Esther

Paul Hopewell wrote:

> If I go to the task bar on my iPhone (double press of the home button) I see 
> a list of recently called phone contacts. this list includes just the first 
> name such as "Bob". Unfortunately I phone two different people called "bob" 
> so I am not sure which Bob is which. Is it possible to add nicknames to my 
> contacts so that people with the same first name can be distinguished? Note 
> that I would not want the nickname to appear in any email I sent to that 
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Re: [Mac-access]: trying to reinstall home brew

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Hi Sarah,

OK, one more
suggestion. I think you want to update rather than uninstalling Homebrew. I'm 
going to assume that you installed the command line tools from Xcode 6 (as part 
of the general set up requirements for Homebrew), and that you went through the 
earlier step of changing the sym link from 1.8 to Current.  

Since Homebrew expects to see the 1.8 folder try creating it with this step:

sudo mkdir -p /System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin

then create a sym link:

sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ruby 
/System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/ruby

Now try to running through the four command line steps I gave in the earlier 
post.

If that doesn't work, you may have to edit the /usr/local/Library/brew.rb file 
and change the reference to the Library string in the first line of the file 
from "1.8" to "Current".

I'm hoping that the trick if creating the folders will be enough, because in 
general the steps for forcing the update if the simple commands don't work will 
involve additional git commands.  Also, we're now getting into specific 
Yosemite file structures that I can't check, because I'm not upgraded.

HTH

Esther

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> All I have is 2.0 actually.  I don't remember installing this, but apparently 
> I did at some point.  Maybe it was today, but again I don't remember as it 
> threw errors. I do have the command line tools installed though. I thought I 
> uninstalled home brew 2 years ago when I did not need it which is why I'm 
> confused right now.  Can I rm -R  that whole dir and make it go by by to 
> redownload and reinstall version 2? or will that brake things even  more then 
> they are?  Even mac ports is sort of broken under Yosemite in my looking 
> around. I don't have a osx 10.9 anything anymore. I cleaned that set up up in 
> October of last year. 
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 4:08 PM, Esther  wrote:
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>> /System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions
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Re: [Mac-access]: trying to reinstall home brew

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Hi Sarah,

It's possible that the update to Homebrew did not go through.  If you are on 
Yosemite, 10.10 was supposed to install both Ruby 2.0 as a default, while 
Mavericks shipped with Ruby 1.8.7 to support some legacy software.  That's one 
of the reasons I'm confused about whether you were starting from a 
configuration that had a working version of Homebrew (under Mavericks) that 
you're trying to update.

I'm not upgraded to Yosemite, and I'm running the last version of Mavericks.  
When I use Command-Shift-G in Finder and type or paste in:
/System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions
I have folder entries for both 1.8 and 2.0 (with modification dates Oct. 30, 
2013 and Oct. 17, 2014).  Opening either of those folders includes a Ruby 
executable.  Can you check whether your 1.8 folder has contents?

If it doesn't, maybe you can move this over from a Mavericks backup?

The other possible way to do the update might be to issue commands in Terminal 
like:

cd /usr/local/Library
sudo git pull origin master

But I'm not sure how that will play out for you.

Sorry not to have more suggestions.

Cheers,

Esther


On Jan 13, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I take the last email back. it still failed with the same error and I 
> followed that link to the letter. All appeared to have worked, but I guess 
> not. I tried installing the software I needed, but still no go. I still came 
> up with the following error.
> 
> /usr/local/bin/brew: /usr/local/Library/brew.rb: 
> /System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/ruby: bad 
> interpreter: No such file or directory
> /usr/local/bin/brew: line 21: /usr/local/Library/brew.rb: Undefined error: 0
> 
> and this is when I tried to issue a brew update after killing the sim link as 
> instructed. 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sarah, 
>> I haven't been following what you're trying to do, but the likely source of 
>> your problem is that Yosemite changed both the default version of Ruby (2.0 
>> instead of 1.8.7) and its location, while Homebrew has sym links that are 
>> coded to expect the older version of Ruby.  Since it can't find the 
>> interpreter, it's failing. 
>> 
>> I can't tell from what you've described what you are trying to do.  If it is 
>> a matter of fixing the sym links and you're running Yosemite and with a 
>> version of  Homebrew that was already updated and working under Mavericks 
>> then you can type the following 4 lines in Terminal to update Homebrew for 
>> Yosemite:
>> 
>> cd /System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions
>> sudo ln -s Current 1.8
>> brew update
>> sudo rm 1.8
>> 
>> You basically change your directory so you can create a sym link to 1.8 for 
>> the current version of Ruby, run brew update, remove your sym link.  Source 
>> URL of the fix is:
>> 
>> http://ryantvenge.com/2014/09/ruby-homebrea-yosemite/
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>>> hello all. I'm tryign to reinstall home brew. I followed the prompts but 
>>> got  this when doin ghte clean up.
>>> 
>>> usr/local/bin/brew: /usr/local/Library/brew.rb: 
>>> /System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/ruby: bad 
>>> interpreter: No such file or directory
>>> /usr/local/bin/brew: line 21: /usr/local/Library/brew.rb: Undefined error: 0
>>> 
>>> How do I proceed from here? I really hope I don't have to remove the 
>>> directories by hand.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> it still clames home brew is installed so can't reinstall it, I don't think 
>>> with this mess.
>>> Tc  to all.
>> 
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Re: [Mac-access]: trying to reinstall home brew

[Esther]

Hi Sarah, 
I haven't been following what you're trying to do, but the likely source of 
your problem is that Yosemite changed both the default version of Ruby (2.0 
instead of 1.8.7) and its location, while Homebrew has sym links that are coded 
to expect the older version of Ruby.  Since it can't find the interpreter, it's 
failing. 

I can't tell from what you've described what you are trying to do.  If it is a 
matter of fixing the sym links and you're running Yosemite and with a version 
of  Homebrew that was already updated and working under Mavericks then you can 
type the following 4 lines in Terminal to update Homebrew for Yosemite:

cd /System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions
sudo ln -s Current 1.8
brew update
sudo rm 1.8

You basically change your directory so you can create a sym link to 1.8 for the 
current version of Ruby, run brew update, remove your sym link.  Source URL of 
the fix is:

http://ryantvenge.com/2014/09/ruby-homebrea-yosemite/

HTH

Esther


On Jan 13, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> hello all. I'm tryign to reinstall home brew. I followed the prompts but got  
> this when doin ghte clean up.
> 
> usr/local/bin/brew: /usr/local/Library/brew.rb: 
> /System/Library/Frameworks/Ruby.framework/Versions/1.8/usr/bin/ruby: bad 
> interpreter: No such file or directory
> /usr/local/bin/brew: line 21: /usr/local/Library/brew.rb: Undefined error: 0
> 
> How do I proceed from here? I really hope I don't have to remove the 
> directories by hand.
> 
> 
> it still clames home brew is installed so can't reinstall it, I don't think 
> with this mess.
> Tc  to all.
> 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Seeking suggestions for a more powerful OS X clipboard

[Esther]

Hi Bryan and Others,

Sarah's suggestion of Clip Menu can be found at macupdate.com:
http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/29988/clipmenu

The developer's web page URL for the app is:
http://www.clipmenu.com/

Note that there is a rip-off version of this open source and freeware app in 
the Mac App Store. According to the blog, there is also now an alpha version 
under testing for Yosemite.

Just for your information, this old blog post describes a lawyer's use of Clip 
Menu for precisely the sort of form letter templates you described in your 
original post:

https://lawyerist.com/34273/mac-save-time-clip-menu/

Cheers,

Esther



On Jan 9, 2015, at 12:30 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I used to use an app called clip menu. That should do what you want.  I kind 
> of forgot where I got it from, but try macupdate.com
>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 3:55 AM, Bryan Jones  wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings All,
>> 
>> I’m interested to hear from anyone who is successfully using any sort of 
>> VO-accessible alternative to the standard MacOS Clipboard. In particular, I 
>> am interested in one specific feature: the ability to use the “Copy last 
>> phrase to clipboard” command (VO+Shift+C) to copy multiple consecutive or 
>> non-consecutive items to the clipboard without overwriting the previous 
>> item. I am a frequent User of this particular VO command, and there have 
>> been many times when I’ve thought I could increase my productivity and 
>> decrease the number of redundant keystrokes by simply being able to invoke 
>> this command repeatedly and have the content copy itself into some sort of 
>> non-volatile version of the built-in clipboard for future retrieval.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Shell Script Query

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Hello Gordon,

Shell scripts don't execute when invoked unless you have changed file 
permissions on your system to allow them to execute.  This is a security 
precaution, because you don't, in general, want arbitrary scripts to run on 
your system without your express permission, and by default the files you 
create or copy will not have executable privilege.

If I want to run a shell script from the Terminal command line, I first make it 
executable:

chmod +x scriptname

If you only want the script owner to be able to execute the script, type:

chmod u+x scriptname

In this example, substitute the actual name of the script for "scriptname".  

Then, run the script with the command:

./scriptname

The "dot" "slash" typed before the name of the script (with no spaces) refers 
to the current directory, which is not usually included in your $PATH (which 
are the directories that are searched by default for executable files).

Presumably the script takes care of the one-time installation, and you won't 
use it again.  

Those two commands typed from Terminal -- the "chmod +x" before the scriptname 
to make sure the file is executable and the "./scriptname" to run the shell 
script file named "scriptname" should be all you need.

Technically, you also need to allow "read" permission to a shell script file in 
order to run it, but you already have it in most cases, including the case you 
describe.  The alternative to running the "chmod" command to change the 
permissions mode of a file, if you have the file and directory on another 
attached disk,  is to copy the file with the "cp -p" option.  The "-p" switch 
preserves the permissions of the file you are copying, which includes 
executable status for shell script files.

HTH Cheers,

Esther



On Sep 7, 2014, at 7:57 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> I have a problem to which I’m hoping somebody can give me a definitive 
> response.  I have an application which I need to install on to a machine, but 
> the application in question was ported from LINUX and installs via a shell 
> script.  When I open the script in the usual way, it is opening Xcode rather 
> than installing as I had expected.  Is this normal behaviour and, if so, is 
> there a work-around?
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Gordon
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Re: Accessing Oopen University Online Tutorial Recording with Mac Problem

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l "5" key to designate the current position of the mouse.  To 
move the mouse pointer 1 pixel to the left, you press the key the left of the 
"5" key once, and similarly if you want to move to the right, up, down. or 
diagonally.  You use the nine number keys (1-9, with 5 in the central 
position), to move your cursor, pixel by pixel.

On a laptop keyboard, the keys you use are where the embedded numeric keypad 
used to be -- surrounding the "i" key.  So "j k l" was "1 2 3", "u i o" was "4 
5 6", and "7 8 9" (on the top row of number keys) was "7 8 9".  To move to the 
left I tap the "u" key with Mouse Keys on. To move to the right I tap the "o" 
key.  And to click my "mouse" I tap the "i" key when Mouse Keys are turned on.

Note that you can also move your mouse pointer using the trackpad (when 
TrackPad Commander in turned off) if cursor tracking is turned off. If you have 
the box checked for "Speak text under mouse after delay" in the "Announcements" 
tab of "Verbosity" in VoiceOver Utility, you'll also be told what is under the 
mouse. (You may want to adjust the slider to make the time delay short).  This 
does not require using Mouse Keys at all.

To announce the position of your mouse cursor, you can use VO-F5-F5 or 
VO-F5-F5-F5.  (The first gives coordinates with respect to the top left corner 
of your screen, the second gives coordinates with respect to the top left 
corner of your window).  To use this feature, I also set my VoiceOver Utility 
Verbosity > Announcements tab so the pop up following  "Speak size and 
position" is set to "points" instead of "inches" or "millimeters".  Then the 
announced coordinates are pixels on the screen.

If you can figure out how many pixel key presses in the x and y direction to 
move between the two controls you need to press, you only have to work this out 
once, and  then use Mouse keys to move to the screen controls and perform the 
click (even with VoiceOver off). It's a pain to press a key 50 or 60 times, but 
at least it works.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 28, 2014, at 12:34 PM, eleanor martha burke wrote:

> not quite David I need to hit the accept button and then the screen will 
> change and I then need to hit a play button
> 
> Eleanor Martha Burke
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2014, at 23:20, "David Griffith"  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes but with Sarah's suggestion Voiceover cannot crash because the whole
>> point is that she suggests you turn it off.
>> Her suggestion is that you use Voiceover to route the mouse to the relevant
>> button. 
>> then once the mouse is routed to the button turn Voiceover off. 
>> Then physically click the  Trackpad which should logically start the Video
>> playing.
>> Once the Video is finished you can press command W to close the Window and
>> then you should be able to restart Voiceover without the problem of busy
>> messages.
>> 
>> Not perfect and it sounds like you should refer this to
>> accessibil...@apple.com to look at this.
>> 
>> I think they do sort out some problems. After contacting them about a
>> problem on using Verified by Visa payments I find I can now do this so it is
>> possible that they responded to my query.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of eleanor martha burke
>> Sent: 28 June 2014 20:13
>> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: Accessing Oopen University Online Tutorial Recording with Mac
>> Problem
>> 
>> not really because when I click on play with VO on it then crashes
>> 
>> Eleanor Martha Burke
>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2014, at 19:36, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you rouge the curser to the play button shut off vo and cick the
>> mouse? Tha'ts all I can give for now.
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke
>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All, I have encountered a problem with my Mac and Voice Over.  My Open
>> University tutorial recordings are available to listen to after the live
>> tutorial and are accessable via the Mac but regretably I am unable to access
>> them as the programme crashes with Voice Over.  Take Voice Over off and a
>> sighted person can just click on the play button.  Any suggestions please. I
>> could provide a link with other information if someone feels they could
>> assist me off list so please write to eleanormarthabu...@gmail.com 

<--- Mac

Re: Signing in to more than one app store

[Esther]

Hi Eleanor,

I think you need to search for "Universal Translator" by NibiruTech Limited in 
order to find this app.  This URL should work:
https://itunes.apple.com/app/universal-translator/id420857081?mt=12
The most fail-proof way to identify a specific app is to copy the link to its 
URL.  However, when you do this in the Mac App Store and it contains your 
country code, someone looking for the same app in another country will not be 
able to find that app.  If you copy a link to an application on an iPhone or 
IPad, someone who wants to locate that app in another country can use your 
link, which will either bring up the correct app if it available in his 
country's App Store, or return a message that the app is not available in that 
Store.

So if I want to give a link to a Mac App Store app that works outside of my 
country I have to examine the URL and delete the two letter country code and 
following slash from the address.

The App Stores were designed to really only work for one country.

HTH.

Esther 


On May 30, 2014, at 10:08 AM, "Eleanor Martha Burke" 
 wrote:

> Hi Sarah
> That was excellent.  Now can you answer this one for me perhaps.  I have 
> accounts in the Ireland and the UK app stores.  I was looking for an app 
> Universal Translate which does not appear to be in the app store, at least 
> not a free version.  Yet I am aware that 2 people in the UK downloaded the 
> free app today.  Now last week I was in Ireland and I purchased an album in 
> the Ireland app store.  Maybe this is why I got problems with the app store 
> when all the buttons were dimmed.  Now I would just like to known about 
> signing out of one app store and in to the other app store.
> 
> Eleanor
> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Mac App Store Problem
> 
> 
>> 1. go to the store menu after you go to the mac app store (from now on 
>> called the mas)
>> 2. click sign out.
>> 
>> 3. go back to the store menu
>> 
>> 4. click sign in and enter yoru credentals.
>> 
>> I dunno if this will solve the probllem but it's worth a try.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> On May 30, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't know how to do that, signing out and back in.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>>> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 8:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mac App Store Problem
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Have you tried signing out and back  in? i've never seen or heard of this 
>>>> problem before.  This is an odd one.
>>>> 
>>>> good luck.
>>>> On May 30, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> All buttons are dimmed so nothing is active.  How can I sort this out? 
>>>>> Have closed the app and shut down the Mac but it is still the same.
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Re: Eric's Steps

[Esther]

Hi Gordon,

I don't subscribe to your techno-chat list, but after going to that list and 
reading Colin's repost of Eric's old instructions for using KeyRemap4MacBook 
and the PCKeyboardHack, I'll just state that they were correct at the time they 
were written.  Starting with the version 8 releases of both these applications 
on January 30, 2013, the information on the preferences panes were moved into 
the main application.  

The end of that post included the lines:
Below is the link to the new podcast. that walks through these steps. 
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/new-updated-remapping-keys-your-macs-keyboard-enhance-voiceover-experience

I'm not sure whether that link will wrap, so I'll provide another shortened 
version to this AppleVis page with the podcast:
http://bit.ly/1kFbyDK

Had you gone to that web page, you would have read follow-up comments that 
stated that as of version 8, the changes Eric requested no longer required a 
special download link, but were incorporated into the main version of the app, 
and that also the app had changed its organization so that the preference pane 
information was now incorporated into the applications.

Finally, I'll just state that another reason for installing KeyRemap4MacBook, 
whether or not you also install the PCKeyboardHack, is that laptop and Apple 
Wireless Keyboard users can also then access the full range of NumPad Commander 
options, as well as having access to a full embedded keypad.  

For more information, including tips on more general configuration of 
KeyRemap4MacBook, see the archived post:
• NumPad on laptop Macs and KeyRemap4Macbook
https://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access%40mac-access.net/msg12382.html

Note that the post was written when configuration was done in separate 
preference panes.

Gordon, there were some additional configuration tips for using 
KeyRemap4MacBook under VMWare Fusion with JAWS written up at a blog site named 
Flint's Geekiness.  I have the URL saved in an old post on another list, but I 
can't get to that web site now.  It described further suggestions of disabling 
Mac Host Shortcuts en masse under the VMWare Fusion Preferences to avoid 
definition conflicts, and on a further post how to swap the Windows and Alt 
keys.  I'm not a Windows user, so I didn't separately save the contents of 
these posts after reading them and noting the URLs.

These were:
•"Mac Virtualization: Making the Caps Lock key work as a JAWS key in VMWare 
Fusion!"
http://www.themillionweb.net/blog/?p=9
•"VMWare Fusion -- More keyboard tips":
http://www.themillionweb.net/blog/?p=17
•"Mac Virtualization: More on key remappings, and how to swap the Windows and 
Alt keys!":
http://www.themillionweb.net/blog/?p=12

The first page describes what is covered by Eric's instructions, only with the 
corrections for the preference pane information moved into the KeyRemap4MacBook 
and PCKeyboardHack apps. The two later blog posts were additional tips for 
working in the Windows VM.  The links were active July of last year.


HTH.  Cheers,
Esther 

On May 26, 2014, at 3:41 AM, Geoff Stephens wrote:

> Hmm.  I did not see any steps for installation in Eric’s description.  Maybe 
> I missed a message.
> 
> On May 26, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I think I’ve found out what was wrong with the PCKeyboard Hack and 
> KeyboardRemap.  They don’t live in system prefs, not here anyway.  You have 
> to manually launch them either from your applications folder or from 
> Launchpad.  Maybe once you do that, the icons go into system preferences.  
> But that seems to be thstep Eric missed in his description.
> 
> Kindest regards
> 
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> 
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Re: How to delete photos from my iPhone

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 possible with 
either the iPhone or the iPod Touch.  These included the ability to connect USB 
devices using one of the adapters in the iPad Camera Connection Kit, which was 
a 30-pin to USB adapter plug, and also to transfer photos using a second Camera 
Connection Kit adapter, which was a 30-pin plug with a slot for inserting an SD 
card.  Most of the really exciting possibilities came from using the USB 
adapter plug — it was clearly designed so people would be able to use the iPad 
to connect to devices for audio input and composition, like Midi players, 
unpowered USB microphones, etc. I was able to plug in a Griffin iMic into the 
USB connector and record directly from my tape player into the Voxie Pro 
Recorder app.  In the first iOS release, I was even able to connect a USB 
keyboard into the connector and use it with VoiceOver navigation in place of 
the Apple Wireless Keyboard, and to connect a USB card reader, which I don’t 
think you can do any more. 

However, the limitation on using the SD card and the USB card reader is that 
the only file types that are recognized by the iPad are camera type image files 
like jpegs or video files.  And there was no file structure preserved in the 
form of folder organization.  The only application that could transfer these 
files was the Photos app, and apart from the problems of being able to 
distinguish photos via labels with VoiceOver, about the only thing you could do 
would be to select all the images and transfer them — or else navigate through 
a long set of images to select individual items.  I don’t even remember whether 
you could do that with VoiceOver.  The situation is similar to being able to 
use the “open in” function for apps on your device.  In order to be able to 
open files in particular apps on your iPhone, the file type must be recognized 
and supported under the operating system, and the capability to “Open in” that 
application must be written into that app.  It initially was not possible to 
transfer eBooks directly to your device without using iTunes Sync.  Using email 
attachments and DropBox to move these files were features that were added in 
later.

There are equivalent connectors to the two that were part of the iPad Camera 
Connection Kit for 30-pin connectors for the current generation of iOS devices 
that use lightning connectors, and each can be separately purchased.  I have no 
familiarity with using these connectors.  However, the basic limitations of the 
transfer mechanism are likely to be the same, along with any of the issues of 
VoiceOver accessibility in identifying and selecting files in the Photos app.

If you can locate an accessible photo transfer app, that might be a way to 
proceed.  The only way I’ve handled moving files to an iOS device for someone 
who needs direct transfer of their own files from a Mac computer is to create a 
separate user account with a separate iTunes.

Sorry not to have a better answer for you.  HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On May 22, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hi Esther, 
> If I use the add button to create a new empty photo album I can then delete 
> that new album as you describe. However the delete switch button does not 
> appear before the choir folder possibly because that folder is not empty or 
> possibly because that folder was created via iTunes syncing the choir folder 
> on my iMac. I tried to add a photo to the new test album I had just created 
> but could not work out how to do that.
> Was your new folder empty or did you put some photos in it before trying to 
> delete it? 
> All the best
> 
> Paul 
> On 22 May 2014, at 20:15, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> If you double tap the edit button, so that it changes into a "Done" button,  
>> and then flick right past the camera roll and photo library, do you hear 
>> "delete, switch button, off" just before your choir album?  If so, can you 
>> double tap that button and hear "Confirm deletion, button"?  If I double tap 
>> anywhere on the screen, once focus is on the "Confirm deletion" button, I 
>> get a message "Are you sure you want to delete the album?" followed by the 
>> name of the album I created. Flicking right gives a "Delete Album" button 
>> followed by a "Cancel" button. Double tapping the "Delete Album" button 
>> brings my focus to the "Add" button, and if I flick through the albums, the 
>> one that I created is now gone from the list. 
>> 
>> This is described for the iPhone on iOS 6, by the way.  But I don't transfer 
>> photos, so I had to create an album on the iPhone in order to delete it.
>> 
>> HTH. Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>>> On May 22, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Esthe

Re: Daisy files on the Mac

[Esther]

Hi Andy, Travis, and Others,

I'm pretty sure that smil files were only supported under QuickTime 7 (the 
version of QuickTime that came with Mac installations up through Snow Leopard, 
and which is replaced by QuickTime X on all current Mac operating systems).  
They aren't supported under QuickTime X.  And in the latest versions of 
QuickTime 7 that you can separately download, I believe you couldn't get web 
browser plug-in support for smil files unless you also installed a third party 
program called Perian.  Only locally played smil files with proper 
configuration  and no encryption would work with QuickTime 7, and if you wanted 
to stream smil files through a web browser plug-in you had to install Perian 
for the latest version of QuickTime 7. 

Mountain Lion comes with QuickTime X. QuickTime 7 can be separately downloaded 
and installed, following Apple's Knowledge Base article:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3678

There is an old post in the archives about using AppleScripts to speed up 
playback of podcasts on the Mac using QuickTime 7.  I'll just paste in the 
information about the QuickTime 7 slider controls:

iTunes can't change the speed of playback, but VLC and QuickTime Player can.  
The version of QuickTime Player that was used by default before Snow Leopard, 
and which is now called QuickTime Player 7, has an A/V (audio/visual) control 
window.  You show or hide it with the shortcut Command-K, and there are sliders 
that let you adjust playback speed, along with volume, balance, treble, bass, 
pitch, along with video brightness, color, and tint.  This is AppleScriptable, 
so what I do is use a pair of AppleScripts to switch between playing a track in 
iTunes and Quick Time Player 7.  

I haven't been using QuickTime 7 with smil files, so someone would have to 
check this.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On May 22, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Andy Collins wrote:

> I just tried to open a smil file on this Mac, but it reported that it didn't 
> recognise the file type; this is under Mountain Lion -
> 
> Andy
> On 22 May 2014, at 13:27, Travis Siegel wrote:
> 
>> I don't know about newer versions of osx, but it used to be, that with 
>> quicktime (I don't think it was a pro only option) you could simply open the 
>> smil file for the daisy book in question, and quicktime would handle the 
>> book just fine.  This assumes of course, there's no encryption to deal with, 
>> and the smil file was properly configured.  I discovered this by accident 
>> way back in thtiger days when reading the hunt for red october which I had 
>> purchased on cd from brilliance audio.  Since I'd purchased the mp3 cd, I 
>> copied it all to the computer, and went to see what was in the folder.  I 
>> found the smil file, clicked, (more out of interest than anything else) and 
>> quicktime opened it right up, and gave me the list of chapters, all in their 
>> proper order.
>> I don't use daisy format much, so I don't know if either quicktime or osx 
>> has changed this behavior, but just something for those who may be able to 
>> use this solution.
>> 
> 

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Re: How to delete photos from my iPhone

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Hi Paul,

If you double tap the edit button, so that it changes into a "Done" button,  
and then flick right past the camera roll and photo library, do you hear 
"delete, switch button, off" just before your choir album?  If so, can you 
double tap that button and hear "Confirm deletion, button"?  If I double tap 
anywhere on the screen, once focus is on the "Confirm deletion" button, I get a 
message "Are you sure you want to delete the album?" followed by the name of 
the album I created. Flicking right gives a "Delete Album" button followed by a 
"Cancel" button. Double tapping the "Delete Album" button brings my focus to 
the "Add" button, and if I flick through the albums, the one that I created is 
now gone from the list. 

This is described for the iPhone on iOS 6, by the way.  But I don't transfer 
photos, so I had to create an album on the iPhone in order to delete it.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

> On May 22, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
> Hi Esther, 
> I tried this and it does not work for me. I have 3 albums: camera roll, photo 
> library, and choir. If I double tap the edit button and then double tap 
> either photo library or choir I get a button to re-order choir via drag and 
> drop. If I double tap that button the drag and drop does not work. 
> What you describe ought to work as it works like that for other types of 
> item. Maybe there is a bug in the latest level of IOS 6 which is fixed in IOS 
> 7. 
> Many thanks and best regards.
> 
> Paul Hopewell
> 
>> On 22 May 2014, at 19:08, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> When you are on the Albums tab of Photos on your iPhone, can you double tap 
>> the edit button in the top right corner, then flick past the camera roll to 
>> the album you want to delete and double tap to delete it?
>> 
>> I don't have albums on my device.  I created an album, under Photos on my 
>> iPhone using the "add" button and then tried to delete it.  This seems to 
>> work.
>> 
>> HTH. Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: How to delete photos from my iPhone

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Hi Paul,

When you are on the Albums tab of Photos on your iPhone, can you double tap the 
edit button in the top right corner, then flick past the camera roll to the 
album you want to delete and double tap to delete it?

I don't have albums on my device.  I created an album, under Photos on my 
iPhone using the "add" button and then tried to delete it.  This seems to work.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther



On May 22, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> I don't trust photos in itunes so I disabled that option a while back. Try 
> swiping up on the album on the phone and see if you can delete them that way. 
>  If not you will have to maybe do it thorugh iphoto or something. I'm not so 
> sure as I use image capture to import all of my stuff.
> On May 22, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sarah, 
>> That works OK to delete photos from camera roll. However I have a couple of 
>> other albums which were created by synching with iTunes. Neither the edit 
>> button nor  the delete option are there for these photos. If I delete them 
>> from the pictures folder on my iMac and then sync again will that delete 
>> them from my iPhone? What do I do if I want to delete them from my iPhone 
>> but leave them on my iMac? 
>> Many thanks. 
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell
>> thankisdelte i5tunes.woukd 
>> On 22 May 2014, at 17:40, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> 1. go to the photos app
>>> 2. go to albums tab
>>> 3. double tap select
>>> 4. select each photo you want to delete.
>>> 5. select delete.
>>> 
>>> Note, if you delete from an album they will I believe be deleted from the 
>>> camera role and viceversa. I found this out the hard way.
>>> 
>>> On May 22, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello, 
>>>> If I look in the photos app on my iPhone 3gs (latest level of IOS 6) I see 
>>>> several folders which each contain several JPG files. 
>>>> I would ideally like to delete some of the folders but if that cannot be 
>>>> done then I would like to delete individual photos. 
>>>> I have tried everything I can think of but cannot find a way to delete 
>>>> either the folders or the individual photos. 
>>>> How do I delete photos? 
>>>> Many thanks. 
>>>> 
>>>> Paul Hopewell
> 
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Re: Olearia Daisy Book Reader

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Hi Andy,

I think you can also download Olearia using the public beta link from Curtin 
University:
http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia/
This comes as a zip file.  The code,google.com location lets you get the source 
code if you want to compile it from scratch for yourself.

HTH.  Cheers,
Esther


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> Hi David and all -
> 
> David, I downloaded Olearia again just now, from code.google.com; even though 
> it said it was a zipped download, when I looked for Olearia in my downloads 
> folder, it was just there as an application, so I pasted it in to my 
> applications folder, and opened it. I firstly got the message that Safari 
> downloaded the app from code.google.com, and was asked if I wanted to open 
> it, so clicked on yes. The first window that comes up asks if I want Olearia 
> to automatically check for updates, and regardless of if I  click yes or no, 
> I keep getting the message:
> 
> application alert system dialog Olearia quit unexpectedly.
> 
> I can't get past this issue, so can't even test the app.
> 
> I don't understand why I don't get a dmg download, obviously if I did, then I 
> would follow your guidance for installing the app.
> 
> Any more ideas? -
> 
> Andy
> 
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Re: Numpad commander.

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Hi Gary,

If you're asking about the location of the "equals" key on the NumPad portion 
of a full size desktop Mac keyboard, it is just below the "F17" key. The NumPad 
keys fall in the four columns below the keys from F16 through F19.

Apple has a chart of the NumPad Commander Default Assignments you can view at:
http://help.apple.com/voiceover/vo/en/VONumPad.html

If you navigate through, you'll hear each of the keys announced in each of the 
four columns along with their default functions with no modifier keys.  To 
learn the key assignments for the different modifier keys, just navigate to the 
desired heading level 2. These are grouped for modifier keys of "None", 
"Command", "Option", "Control", "Shift", and "NumPad 0".

HTH. Cheers,

moriond


On May 21, 2014, at 9:57 AM, "Gary Price(Gmail)" wrote:

> Hi everyone.
> 
> Following David's message on here about customising Numpad commander, I am 
> happy to let you all know that if you have a full size desktop keyboard with 
> a numpad it works.
> 
> Before I sign off, please could someone tell me where the Equal key is? This 
> is required to go to the menu bar.
> Now I am in the UK.
> 
> Anyway just letting you all know as David said he didn't have time to test it.
> 
> I have tried it out tonight you see.
> Speak soon!
> -- 
> Gary Price
> 
> 
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Re: Mail forwarding, Can we avoid the unneeded info?

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Hi Eric,

I’m so glad you were able to remove the extraneous headers from your forwarded 
email messages by setting your Mail Preferences “Viewing” pane popup option for 
“Show header detail” to “Default”, and I’m sorry it took you 5 years to resolve 
this issue.  Now that you mention this question coming up previously on mailing 
lists, I think I’ve seen this once or twice, including a post by Danny on this 
list a couple of years ago.  I assumed that the answer was the one that Zack 
gave — namely that the viewing option for reading mail headers had been toggled 
to display  detailed information — or else the question was phrased as an issue 
with mail under the latest operating system.  While new users often buy new 
Macs with the latest operating system loaded, folks who have been using their 
Macs for some time don’t always update their Macs right away, if they need to 
run programs that were written under an earlier version of Mac OS X.   Since 
this issue of additional headers in forwarded mail was never something I 
experienced, I didn’t realize this feature could be switched on by mistake in 
mail's preferences. And if I hadn’t updated to the latest operating system when 
the question appeared, I would think that solving the issue might this.

So it was only your persistence in posting an example, and making it clear that 
there was a problem with the forwarded content within the body of the mail post 
that led me to look into this.  This does show that people should continue to 
post questions to this list about outstanding issues, even if earlier queries 
didn’t turn up a good answer.


Cheers,

Esther

 
On May 20, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Hi Esther and others,
> 
> This worked! I changed the setting to default and now just have the usual 
> headings.  I suspect that as a new Mac user in 2009 I probably changed the 
> setting myself when trying to get mail to show me something or do something 
> for me.  I then transferred the setting each time i migrated to a new 
> computer. And the setting held each time I upgraded my operating system.  
>   I'm so very pleased to be able to use forward again in this efficient 
> manner.
> 
>   You may ask why I waited 5 years to ask.  I have seen this question 
> come up on Mac lists before.  this is the first time I read a working answer. 
>  
> 
>   Thanks to all who stuck in there to help me get a answer.  And, Esther, 
> you rock!
> 
> Eric Caron 

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Re: Mail forwarding, Can we avoid the unneeded info?

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Hi Laurie,

You're welcome.  I thought Zack had provided Eric with an answer to his 
question about not having to read forwarded headers earlier in this thread.  It 
turns out that you can toggle on or off the viewing of the detailed mail 
information with Command-Shift-H, as Zack stated, but this is separate from the 
header data information specified in the "Viewing" pane of your Mail 
Preferences. In other words, even if I have "Show header detail" set to "None" 
so that I don't get extraneous information in the body of my forwarded email, 
toggling on viewing of detailed mail information on the mail headers with 
Command-Shift-H displays detailed information about the mail server, etc. for 
my mail headers.

I'm still puzzled about why the "Show header detail" popup button on the 
"Viewing" pane of Mail preferences should be set to a value other than 
"Default", if it was not specifically changed. Like Sarah, I've never had to 
change my mail settings from the viewing defaults, and hadn't seen this problem 
for forwarded mail. And, as Eric stated earlier, most individuals would not 
want this level of information as the default behavior for their forwarded 
emails.

I hope this fixes the problem, because otherwise this seems like something that 
would originate from the mail servers or Internet Service being used.

Cheers,

Esther 

On May 20, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Laurie Mehta wrote:

> Thanks very much Esther! Your knowledge and willingness to share it are 
> greatly appreciated!
> 
> Cheers,
> Laurie
> 
> On Tue, 5/20/14, Esther  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric, Laurie, and
> Others,
> 
> To eliminate
> verbose header data in forwarded mail messages, bring up
> your Mail preferences (Cmd+Comma), navigate to the
> "Viewing" button on your toolbar, and press it. On
> the "Viewing" pane, navigate to the popup button
> for "Show header detail", VO-space, and change the
> popup to "None".
> 
> You might want to check your current setting
> for header detail.  When I select "Default", the
> forwarded header fields are "From",
> "Subject", "Date", and "To".
> When I select "None", all those fields are left
> off, and only the content of the message is forwarded. 
> Selecting "All" includes all the header
> information in forwarded mail.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther 
> 
> 
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Hi Eric, Laurie, and Others,

To eliminate verbose header data in forwarded mail messages, bring up your Mail 
preferences (Cmd+Comma), navigate to the "Viewing" button on your toolbar, and 
press it. On the "Viewing" pane, navigate to the popup button for "Show header 
detail", VO-space, and change the popup to "None".

You might want to check your current setting for header detail.  When I select 
"Default", the forwarded header fields are "From", "Subject", "Date", and "To". 
When I select "None", all those fields are left off, and only the content of 
the message is forwarded.  Selecting "All" includes all the header information 
in forwarded mail.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 

On May 20, 2014, at 3:16 AM, Laurie Mehta wrote:
> 
> If anyone on this list does know how to help the person who asked how to 
> change their mail setting to hide the full envelope information in all 
> forwarded mail, I hope that that person will please share that information 
> with all of us because it would b helpful information indeed.
> 
> Regards,
> L. Mehta
> 

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Re: Updating HP Wireless Printer Software for Mavericks [was Re: Printing wireless with Mac]

[Esther]

Hello Juanita,

According to HP, all you need to do is run Apple's software update to get 
printer drivers for Mavericks.  If your computer is not having any trouble 
seeing the new router and downloading software updates, then after running 
software update from Apple, you just need to follow the procedures for 
replacing the router being used for the printer at the URL:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/wireless-printing-center/reconfiguring-system-help3.html

With those instructions you should either be able to use the original software 
CD, or to use setup software that is built into the printer's hardware control 
panel to set the new network. (This is the part that is not accessible, with no 
spoken feed back on the device control panel or indication where the control 
buttons are located.)

Good luck.  Best,

Esther

On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:45 AM, Juanita Martin wrote:

> It may be easier for her to just update the software.  After all, it is her 
> computer.  
> She said something about a control yesterday when she was trying to set up 
> the printer so she may be on the right track.
> 
> 
> sent from my phone
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Juanita,
>> 
>> For VoiceOver on the MacBook Pro, if Command-F5 or Fn-Command-F5 does not 
>> work, you may need your daughter to set up a separate account for you, so 
>> VoiceOver can be configured to come up automatically, or else have her 
>> configure the system preference settings under Accessibility for her 
>> account, so that you can easily bring up VoiceOver with Command-F5.  As 
>> others have said, you may need to know where you are in the login process to 
>> get VoiceOver to turn on.
>> 
>> You asked:
>> We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new router.  
>> Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
>> with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
>> password.  The printer is trying to use our old info. My sighted daughter 
>> will be the one setting this up.  We tried to run the software from disc but 
>> it doesn't support 10.9.
>> 
>> For the HP-specific part of your question, there are support web pages on 
>> updating the printer drivers for Mavericks using Apple's Software Update, 
>> and also on replacing a router for their wireless printers.  Since the 
>> release of Mavericks, HP has been distributing drivers through Apple's 
>> Software Update.  I've read that for some all-in-one printers the Scanner 
>> drivers do not  yet resolve issues with Scanning that is done without using 
>> the HP-specific software.
>> 
>> Here is the link for OS X v10.9 Mavericks: Installing and Using the Printer 
>> on a Mac:
>> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03967522&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en
>> 
>> HP has an instruction page on replacing a router for their wireless printers:
>> http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/wireless-printing-center/reconfiguring-system-help3.html
>> 
>> After navigating to "heading level 2 Replacing Your Wireless Router", 
>> navigate to the in-page link for "Changing wireless settings" and activate 
>> it (double tap on an iOS device or VO-Space on a Mac).  Note that they say 
>> you may have to unplug the power cord from your modem and wait at least 30 
>> minutes for the modem to reset.  If you have difficulties you might have to 
>> set the device up as though it were a new printer, by connecting with an 
>> ethernet cable directly to the modem of your Internet Service Provider.  
>> Also, some HP printers like their newer AirPrint printers may have a 
>> Wireless Setup Wizard that can be accessed from the printer's control panel. 
>>   That process is not accessible, but your daughter should be able to run 
>> this, if necessary.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:35 AM, alberto wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, if she tells you where you are on the computer that may help.  If you 
>>> are somewhere like in the desk top you should be fine, but if she has 
>>> already set a password on the mac it will be a little tougher for you to 
>>> get VO to work if she didn’t enable voice over to work on the lock screen 
>>> when she set it up.
>>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Juanita Martin  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have no clue as to where I am in the log in process.  This is my sighted 
>>>> daughter's computer and VO hasn't been tried on it until this morni

Updating HP Wireless Printer Software for Mavericks [was Re: Printing wireless with Mac]

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Hello Juanita,

For VoiceOver on the MacBook Pro, if Command-F5 or Fn-Command-F5 does not work, 
you may need your daughter to set up a separate account for you, so VoiceOver 
can be configured to come up automatically, or else have her configure the 
system preference settings under Accessibility for her account, so that you can 
easily bring up VoiceOver with Command-F5.  As others have said, you may need 
to know where you are in the login process to get VoiceOver to turn on.

You asked:
We have a wireless HP printer and two Macs.  We recently got a new router.  
Since then, we have not been able to print wirelessly.  I know it has to do 
with changing the network name.  How do you change the network name and 
password.  The printer is trying to use our old info. My sighted daughter will 
be the one setting this up.  We tried to run the software from disc but it 
doesn't support 10.9.

For the HP-specific part of your question, there are support web pages on 
updating the printer drivers for Mavericks using Apple's Software Update, and 
also on replacing a router for their wireless printers.  Since the release of 
Mavericks, HP has been distributing drivers through Apple's Software Update.  
I've read that for some all-in-one printers the Scanner drivers do not  yet 
resolve issues with Scanning that is done without using the HP-specific 
software.

Here is the link for OS X v10.9 Mavericks: Installing and Using the Printer on 
a Mac:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03967522&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en

HP has an instruction page on replacing a router for their wireless printers:
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/wireless-printing-center/reconfiguring-system-help3.html

After navigating to "heading level 2 Replacing Your Wireless Router", navigate 
to the in-page link for "Changing wireless settings" and activate it (double 
tap on an iOS device or VO-Space on a Mac).  Note that they say you may have to 
unplug the power cord from your modem and wait at least 30 minutes for the 
modem to reset.  If you have difficulties you might have to set the device up 
as though it were a new printer, by connecting with an ethernet cable directly 
to the modem of your Internet Service Provider.  Also, some HP printers like 
their newer AirPrint printers may have a Wireless Setup Wizard that can be 
accessed from the printer's control panel.   That process is not accessible, 
but your daughter should be able to run this, if necessary.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:35 AM, alberto wrote:

> Hi, if she tells you where you are on the computer that may help.  If you are 
> somewhere like in the desk top you should be fine, but if she has already set 
> a password on the mac it will be a little tougher for you to get VO to work 
> if she didn’t enable voice over to work on the lock screen when she set it up.
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Juanita Martin  
> wrote:
> 
>> I have no clue as to where I am in the log in process.  This is my sighted 
>> daughter's computer and VO hasn't been tried on it until this morning.  I 
>> will tell her to update the software though.  
>> 
>> sent from my phone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you tried the Cmd+F5 to start VO on the Macbook Pro were you at
>>> the password prompt of the loging/wake-up screen?
>>> I ask because I have seen instances where if the currently logged in
>>> user was not running VO when the computer went to sleep, and you wake
>>> the computer up and are at the password prompt to log back in, Cmd+F5
>>> does not work. But if you type in the password blindly, and press
>>> enter and you hear the confirmation tone, then you should be able to
>>> start VO with Cmd+F5 for sure.
>>> Good luck.
>>> -Rodney
>>> 

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Re: TextDetective iPhone OCR app is currently free (13 March 2014)

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Hello Marybeth,

The TextDetective app should work with the iPod Touch, but the camera 
resolution on the iPod Touch models is not as good as for the iPhone, so OCR 
results will be better on the iPhone. If someone has a Retina iPad Mini I'd be 
curious to know how well it works with that device.  The app will also work on 
an iPad, but you would have to make sure that you are working in "full screen 
mode" by double tapping the button in the bottom right corner. (You can 
navigate there with a four finger tap on the bottom half of the screen with 
your device held in landscape mode. The button will either say "Switch to full 
screen mode" or "Switch to normal mode.") And you should check lighting 
conditions with the light detector app.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 

On Mar 13, 2014, at 7:53 PM, "Marybeth Metzger"  wrote:

> Does this software work only with iPhones, or can it also be used on an iPod
> Touch?
> 
> Mary Beth  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Esther
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 1:47 AM
> To: Mac OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: TextDetective iPhone OCR app is currently free (13 March 2014)
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> TextDetective, the iPhone OCR app, is currently free.  It usually lists for
> $8.99.  A quick description of how this differs from apps like TextGrabber
> and Prizmo is that it works for English only, and you have to hold the
> iPhone in landscape mode, so you don't usually get an entire letter- or
> A4-sized page OCRed in one shot.  However, it works in video mode (like
> Talking Goggles), so it's relatively fast. Before the VoiceOver specific
> improvements to TextGrabber and Prizmo, many blind users found it easier to
> use TextDetective to get results in freehand use (without a supporting
> stand) than to train themselves to use TextGrabber or Prizmo.  And you can
> use TextGrabber to read some text off your computer monitor in a pinch.
> . TextDetective by Blindsight (currently free for limited time, usually
> $8.99) 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/textdetective/id541494875?mt=8
> 
> Note that this version runs under iOS 7.  If your iPhone is running an older
> version of iOS, you can purchase the app under iTunes on your computer, and
> then download the latest version of TextDetective that is compatible with
> the version of iOS on your iPhone.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
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TextDetective iPhone OCR app is currently free (13 March 2014)

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Hello All,

TextDetective, the iPhone OCR app, is currently free.  It usually lists for 
$8.99.  A quick description of how this differs from apps like TextGrabber and 
Prizmo is that it works for English only, and you have to hold the iPhone in 
landscape mode, so you don't usually get an entire letter- or A4-sized page 
OCRed in one shot.  However, it works in video mode (like Talking Goggles), so 
it's relatively fast. Before the VoiceOver specific improvements to TextGrabber 
and Prizmo, many blind users found it easier to use TextDetective to get 
results in freehand use (without a supporting stand) than to train themselves 
to use TextGrabber or Prizmo.  And you can use TextGrabber to read some text 
off your computer monitor in a pinch.
• TextDetective by Blindsight (currently free for limited time, usually $8.99) 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/textdetective/id541494875?mt=8

Note that this version runs under iOS 7.  If your iPhone is running an older 
version of iOS, you can purchase the app under iTunes on your computer, and 
then download the latest version of TextDetective that is compatible with the 
version of iOS on your iPhone.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
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Re: Giraffe Reader

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Hi Sarah,

Last week Eleanor posted:

>> If you are looking for an OCR solution at a reasonable price, Sam Jewell has 
>> designed a stand to get exact distance from camera to the print page.  Have 
>> a look at Sam's video here.  I put his contact detais below the link for 
>> anyone interested.
>> https://vimeo.com/88239540
>> 
>> Sam'e e-mail address is below, also his telephone number
>> 
>> sam.jew...@gmail.com
>> 
>> +44 (0) 7932 761772
>> 

This is a light-weight portable stand (cardboard reinforced with a plastic 
coating?) for OCR with an iPhone. Unlike the StandScan Pro, there is no 
lighting source, but it sounds as though it would fold down more for easy 
carrying. Anne asked about pricing information, and I found his Twitter page in 
which he said $45.  Anne ordered in Euros, shipped to France, and said she 
would report back. They have a web sign-up page for more information, but 
they're not really set up to do more than take email addresses:
http://giraffereader.launchrock.com/

HTH.

Cheers,

Esther 

On Mar 13, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> I'm a bit behind the times here.  What is this product of which you speak? 
> I'm curious.
> 
> Take care and have a lovely thursday.
> On Mar 13, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> My Giraffe Reader arrived today. It’s amazingly light and small, and is easy 
>> to erect and fold away again. Below my signature is a paper I scanned using 
>> TextGrabber with flash on. The paper is an English exam for French nursing 
>> students.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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iOS User Guides on the Home Screen [was Re: Bookmarks on iPad]

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he appropriate code "fr" for 
French, "es" for Spanish, "it" for Italian, "de" for German, etc. so for French 
the URL would be
• Accessible iPad User Guide (HTML format, French)
http://help.apple.com/ipad/7/fr.lproj/

You can also do this for version of the iPhone User Guide and iPod Touch User 
Guide:
• Accessible iPhone User Guide, iOS 7 (HTML format, English) 
http://help.apple.com/iphone/7/en.lproj/
• Accessible iPod Touch User Guide, iOS 7 (HTML format, English) 
http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/7/en.lproj/

For iOS 6 change the "7" after the slash following the device name to "6".  
Follow the same instructions to change the language code.  For iOS 6, in Safari 
you double tap the "Utilities" button in place of the "Share" button and flick 
right till you get to the "Add to Home Screen" button.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 



On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello, 
> I am setting up an iPad for a friend. I am familiar with the iPhone but not 
> the iPad. 
> 
> the iPad has a bookmark in Safari which gives access to the iPad User Guide. 
> I have created a Books folder on the iPad home screen containing ibooks. I 
> would like to move the Safari bookmark for the iPad User Guide into my Books 
> folder so that my friend sees it just like another book. Is that possible? 
> 
> I can foresee other cases where it would be useful to move selected Safari 
> bookmarks into folders on the home screen. Is that possible?
> 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Paul Hopewell

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Re: Giraffe Stand for Use with iPhone and OCR UK Supplier

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Hello Anne and others,

A web search brought up the developer's Twitter account, in which he said,"Hey, 
thanks for the tweet. We're charging $45 at the mo. Website not yet live- give 
me another 1-2 weeks- meanwhile just ask!".  There's a web site, but only with 
a sign-up for mail.  The one critical thing I'd note about this is that there 
is no separate source of illumination with this stand, so you do need to check 
for sufficient light, and that nothing is blocking the illumination of the page.

The developer's Twitter page is: https://twitter.com/SOJewell

The currently minimal product web page for sign-up is:
http://giraffereader.launchrock.com/
 
HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Mar 6, 2014, at 6:36 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Eleanor,
> 
> I don’t see a price for this product. Have you any further information?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 6 Mar 2014, at 16:57, Eleanor Burke  wrote:
> 
>> If you are looking for an OCR solution at a reasonable price, Sam Jewell has 
>> designed a stand to get exact distance from camera to the print page.  Have 
>> a look at Sam's video here.  I put his contact detais below the link for 
>> anyone interested.
>> https://vimeo.com/88239540
>> 
>> Sam'e e-mail address is below, also his telephone number
>> 
>> sam.jew...@gmail.com
>> 
>> +44 (0) 7932 761772
>> 
>> 
>> 

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Re: Is there a way to stop voice over not to turn down the sound volume while you are listening to streaming radio??

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Hi,

It does sound like you might be running Mountain Lion. When you VO-m to the 
Apple menu bar, VO-down arrow to "About this Mac", press enter, and then 
VO-right arrow to the operating system version, does VO say "Version 10.9.1?"

You can upgrade to Mavericks if you're not already running it.

Cheers,

Esther 

On Feb 3, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Jessica Benzing  wrote:

>> That's weird. I just bought it brand-new from the Apple store and they said 
>> it had Mavericks. What should I do? I've upgraded everything.
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Re: How can I accomplish this editing feat in amadeus

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Hi Sarah,

I'm confused, because isn't Amadeus 1.5 the old version of the program from a 
few years back? This sounds similar to a question I answered in the AppleVis 
forums about splitting tracks a while ago:
• Divide the two channels of a track in different files
http://www.applevis.com/forum/os-x-mac-app-discussion/divide-two-channels-track-different-files

I think it can be done with the trial version of the Pro version of Amadeus 
from their web site. The post is about a year and a half old, but maybe start 
with that for pointers?  I suspect that you use audio editing programs a lot 
more than I do, so I can usually only answer these types of questions if I have 
time to run through a specific question about the app.  I'd have to dig up a 
version of Amadeus 1.5 from old backups of a few years ago to figure out 
whether this is doable with that version of the program.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 

On Feb 1, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> Hello to all. running amadeus 1.5, I have what sounds like a 4 track tape but 
> I"m not sure. I could split the track but what ever I did I could not get one 
> in the left and 1 in the right channel  so as to export both to mono tracks.
> 
> is there a way to do this in amadeus?
> 
> Thanks.
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Re: male voice in VoiceOver

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Hi Glenn,

Are you sure you weren't hearing one of the paid Voice Dream Reader voices like 
NeoSpeech James?  I can't imagine that you were thinking about Daniel (the male 
British English voice) in iOS 7.  He sounds decidedly worse in iOS 7 than in 
iOS 6, in my opinion.

Cheers,

Esther

On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Glenn wrote:

> Hi,
> I just upgraded my iPhone 5 to IOS7X, and I was hoping to find a better 
> voice.
> I heard on someone's phone that they had a really clear male voice, and I 
> figured that it was from IOS7.
> I looked in the voice settings, and the only option for the dialect was the 
> higher quality, it read nothing about different from the original female 
> voice.
> Has anyone found the male voice in VO?
> Thanks.
> 
> Glenn 
> 

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Re: ITunes and Column Browser

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Hello David,

The first thing I would do is permanently configure iTunes with the sidebar 
showing, so that it appears in the default view of all the previous iTunes 
versions of the past several years. I refer you to the TUAW article on "iTunes 
11 for old fogies: goin' back to the way it was" by Erica Sadun:
http://aol.it/ShCsm3

1. Press Command-Option-S to restore the Sidebar in iTunes
2. Select the "Songs" radio button
3. Press Command-slash to restore the status bar 

Once you are in the traditional list view after selecting "Songs", you can sort 
by any column you like.  Your playlists should be available in the sidebar that 
you've restored.  Your playlist information about total playing time and number 
of items, should appear in the status bar, as before.  If you use the "Column 
Browser", and have enabled viewing of "Artists", "Albums", and "Composers" 
under the "Column Browser" submenu of your "View" menu option (on the iTunes 
menu bar), you can access them as before.

Write back if you still have problems. I've answered your other questions about 
navigation in a separate earlier post.  You can still access all the other 
features from this view. If you don't want to be able to check information on 
total playing time and number of items in your playlists, you leave off step 3 
for enabling display of the status bar.

Cheers,

Esther


On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:52 PM, "David Griffith"  
wrote:

> Very helpful. I have been using the option command  S to jump to the sidebar
> and use it as a sources list but of course every time I do this I toggle the
> status of the sidebar from visible to hidden.
> Is there an alternative way of jumping to the sidebar in lieu of the missing
> sources list?
> 
> David Griffith
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Re: ITunes and Column Browser

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Hello David,

Anne answered some of your iTunes questions, but did not address your specific 
request to use tabbing to move between your column browser lists.  This is an 
easy way to navigate in iTunes, especially if you use the column browser, and 
this kind of tab key navigation is also possible on the Mac, but requires you 
to change the tab key behavior to move focus between text boxes and lists only, 
instead of between all controls.  Using the shortcut combination of Control+F7 
will let you toggle your tabbing behavior between these two different modes, 
but it changes the way that your tab key works in all applications — not just 
in iTunes. Furthermore, you may not be able to remember where this system 
preference is recorded.  (It’s a check box under System Preferences > Keyboard 
> Keyboard Shortcuts (or just “Keyboard” for the tab name under Mavericks)).  
If you don’t remember where this preference is set, the only thing you will 
notice is that your tab key behavior has changed for unknown reasons.  So if 
you use Control+F7 in iTunes to speed up your navigation by pressing Tab and 
Shift+Tab to move through just the sections you want (e.g.,  sources list, 
search text field, music library, column browser lists when this is turned on) 
instead of absolutely every control, you might want to turn it off again with 
another press of Control+F7 when you exit iTunes.  Alternatively, by default in 
Mavericks, whenever you toggle VoiceOver on and off your tab key preference 
will automatically reset to moving between all controls.

If you don’t want to deal with remembering the tabbing setup, there’s another 
option for navigating these tables: VO-J.  Using tabbing or VO-J to jump 
between linked items automatically interacts, unless you turn off this behavior 
for tabbing under Navigation in VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8 to VO Utility, 
Command-4 to Navigation, then uncheck the box for “Automatically interact when 
using tab key”).  Using VO-Command-T to move to the next table does not 
automatically interact.  The Shift key can be added to any of these shortcuts 
(Tab, VO-J, or VO-Command-T) to move to the previous list or form control, 
table, or linked element.

Here’s the difference between navigation with these different options.  In all 
cases I assume that you have configured iTunes to show the sidebar 
(Command-Option-S to toggle this, or use the “View” menu on the iTunes menu 
bar), and that you have the “Songs” radio button selected, and that you have 
pressed Command-Option-F to move to the search text field. 1) Tab (assuming 
that I press Control+F7 to change my Tab key navigation to move focus only 
between text boxes and lists before I start tabbing), moves from the search 
text field to my sources table (e.g. Music playlist), to my music library, and 
back to the search text field.  If I have my column browser enabled 
(Command-B), then tabbing from the sources table moves to first of my column 
browser selection (e.g., “All genres” if you have the default selection), then 
through the remaining column browser selections (e.g. “All artists”, then “All 
albums” if you have the default selection), then to your music library, and 
back to the search text field. 2) VO-Command-T only moves between the sources 
table and the music table.  If your column browser is toggled on, you will have 
to VO-Up arrow from your music table past the horizontal splitter to reach your 
music browser and interact, then you can navigate to the different column 
browser lists (e.g. VO-Right from “Genres”, to “Artists”, and then to 
“Albums”). Stop interacting when you want to navigate away from the browser. 3) 
VO-J if you start from your music library in the sources table moves you to 
your music table and then to the LCD section (where information about a track 
that is currently playing is displayed), then back to the music library in the 
sources table.  If you have your column browser enabled, VO-J will move focus 
from the music library to the first of your column browser selections (e.g. 
“Genres” for the default setting), then to your music library, and then to the 
LCD section, and back to the music library in your sources table.

There are some other old posts in the archives that cover your questions. for 
example:
• Tabbing and automatically interacting in iTunes and other apps
https://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg20291.html
• iTunes navigation
http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg13935.html

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:08 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello David,
> 
> You need to have the side bar visible. Cmd-Option-s is the toggle to show or 
> hide the side bar.
> If you select Music in the side bar, then navigate right past the vertical 
> splitter and click the Songs button, VO-Cmd-t will take you to the Music 
> table. VO-Up Arrow twice will put you on the Music browser where you can 
> interact and sel

Re: Really odd Issue With Mac And Spacebar

[Esther]

Hi Gordon,

As John and others have suggested, you should check whether this behavior is 
present only for your account, or for other logins.  That will determined 
whether it is a user account specific plist file that has been corrupted.  
Other things you can try are checking whether this behavior is also present 
when you use a paired Bluetooth keyboard, which might point to a key remapping 
issue rather than a physical keyboard problem.  If you have old cloned bootable 
backup, you could try attaching and booting from that hard drive and checking 
whether the same problems exist for you under your account.  That would also 
help to separate out physical hardware issues from corrupted preference files.  
I wouldn't expect key remapping to be an issue unless you have remapped keys as 
part of a virtual machine installation or used KeyRemap4MacBook.  

It's also possible that you could have text expansion or text substitution 
software like TextExpander or Typinator running.  again, that would probably 
only affect your account

HTH?  Cheers,

Esther

> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:
> 
> Hi John
> Yes, I'm sure it is a preference problem of some kind.  I did look under the 
> shortcuts tab this morning but didn't spot anything obvious.  But I'll go and 
> look again to see whether I can set back to defaults.  As you quite rightly 
> suggest, that would certainly be a good place to start.  I wish that I could 
> point the finger at a specific time and event when this starting being a 
> problem for me.  But I will head off there now and look.  Many thanks for the 
> reshodse.
> actually
> Kind Regards
> Gordon Smith
> Information Technology Accessibility consultant
> Providing Support For Young People Living With Sight Loss:  Advice On 
> Accessible Information Technologies And Braille Transcription Services.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: John Gunn 
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility  Date sent: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:01:04 -0600
> Subject: Re: Really odd Issue With Mac And Spacebar
> 
> Gordon,
> 
> I would go to system preferences keyboard then shortcut tab and set to 
> defaults.
> 
> If the above doesn't work try to look for a .plist file to delete which might 
> also set to defaults.  Which ior where that is have no clue.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> 
> I’m currently experiencing a really odd issue with my Mac.  No matter what I 
> try, I’m unable to use my space bar without using a modifier key such as the 
> shift key when pressing space.  Does anybody happen to have any suggestions 
> as to why this might be?
> 
> Now and then, if I forget to use the modifier key,  kind of system window 
> which Lynne says looks like the window that you sometimes get if you 
> right-click on an object or similar, using the physical trackpad or a mouse.
> 
> If anybody can help me resolve this, i’d be most grateful as it’s driving me 
> absolutely bananas.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> <--- Gordon Smith ---
> 
> 
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Re: looking for a good mp3 tag remover

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Hello Michael,

ITunes lets you select multiple tracks and use the "Get Info" shortcut 
(Command-I on the Mac, Control-I in Windows) to edit tracks.  However, if you 
don't want to use iTunes! you can try a program named ID3 Editor by 
Pa-software, which can also be run from a command line interface, if you wish 
(for people who like this option):
http://www.pa-software.com/id3editor/
ID3 Editor  £10.00 (GBP), €12.00 (Euro) or $15.00 (USD)

I know this works through Mountain Lion, but I don't know the status of its 
support under Mavericks. There are some people on this list who are using this, 
I think, and may be able to report on Mavericks support,

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

> On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> in my windows days i had a program called mp3 tag. with this program i could 
> remove tags from mp3 files and a hole lot of stuff.
> i have looked for so long and just can not find a mac equivalent.
> mp3 tag could work in batch moad so i could edit hundreds of files at a time.
> does anyone have any suggestions on this?
> thanks for any help
> 
> Michael
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Re: How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive | Macworld

[Esther]

Hi All, 

Since we still seem to be getting posts on this topic, let me just state that 
the MacWorld article Dane originally cited contains a comprehensive discussion 
of all the different suggestions that have been offered in this thread (e.g., 
Gordon's suggestion of using The Apple Recovery Assistant, John's suggestion of 
DiskMaker X, etc.). I'll also note that the author of the article, Dan Frakes, 
reported a few instances where DiskMaker X version 3 didn't work perfectly for 
him. So if you receive a message, such as the utility alerting you that it 
couldn't properly name the drive it was creating, and want to know what is 
going on, you can check this article.

Also, Josh may be thinking of the steps outlined for using Disk Utility to 
prepare the USB thumb drive for creation if the bootable installer.  That step 
does, indeed, write over the partition contents on the USB thumb drive on which 
you are installing the bootable media.  None of the steps, if followed 
correctly, overwrite and erase your hard drive, although that is something that 
is possible to do under Disk Utility run with Admin privileges if your drive 
went completely bad and you wanted to restore contents from a bootable clone 
hard drive (which is presumably attached to your system so you can work from 
that hard drive in cases where you need to perform drastic surgery on your 
computer's internal hard drive.

If you use any of the individual methods to create a bootable Mavericks install 
drive without problems, you may not need or want to read this article. However, 
if you encounter issues midway, or need to know about other preparation 
procedures to take before upgrading (especially the recommendation that you 
create a bootable clone of your hard drive before proceeding using programs 
like Carbon Copy Cloner, or SuperDuper!), this article contains links to that 
information.

I'll just end by pasting in the paragraph with reference URL link to this 
article from Dane's original post.  This article has been continuously updated 
since its original appearance in MacWorld when Mavericks was first released.

The Install Mavericks is extremely comprehensive and even has sections which 
deal with those earlier 2007 model mac machines which won't run Mountain Lion 
and above.
<http://www.macworld.com/article/2056561/how-to-make-a-bootable-mavericks-install-drive.html>
 

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 


On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:13 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> You missunderstand me I think.  This has nothing to do with Disk Usility at 
> all.  It simply creates a bootable disk with the currently installed 
> operating system as its base.  As for erasing your hard drive, that is not 
> possible.  OS X will not permit you to erase the current boot device.
> 
> Kind Regards
> Gordon Smith
> Information Technology Accessibility consultant
> Providing Support For Young People Living With Sight Loss:  Advice On 
> Accessible Information Technologies And Braille Transcription Services.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Josh Gregory 
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility  Date sent: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 15:36:27 -0500
> Subject: Re: How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive | Macworld
> 
> You could, but the only way that I know of using that method is disk utility, 
> if you do it before you do disk utility, you will erase the hard drive and 
> not be able to get back into it.  I've done that.  Not good.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 19, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
> Forgive my late entrance conffth thread.  But can you not just use the Apple 
> Recovery Assistant?  That works well and is totally accessible.  I have 
> Mavericks, Mkain Lion and Lion bootable USB keys here which were created used 
> Recovery Assistant.  I guess it's just a case for horses for courses.
> Kind Regards
> Gordon Smith
> Information Technology Accessibility consultant
> Providing Support For Young People Living With Sight Loss:  Advice On 
> Accessible Information Technologies And Braille Transcription Services.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Dane Trethowan 
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility  Date sent: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 00:32:28 +1100
> Subject: Re: How to make a bootable Mavericks install drive | Macworld
> 
> Back after a curl I'll look it up now and thanks for the info, Google Is Your 
> Friend.
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Re: Cleaner Pro iOS app for Contacts is free today

[Esther]

Hi Sarah,

You're welcome to use any tips I post about the way apps work in your podcasts. 
  

Cheers,

Esther 

On Jan 18, 2014, at 4:41 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> Yeah I  did a mini podcast on the app. would you mind if  I put some of your 
> tips on the show notes?   I ask so that I'm not accidentally violating any 
> policies or copyright or what ever. I did not see the email before I did the 
> podcast so I didn't know. lol! 
> 
> Take care and thanks for the tips.
> On Jan 18, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sarah,
>> 
>> I like the apps from this developer (Yoni Tserruya) a lot, because they're 
>> generally well designed and very accessible. The Cleaner Pto app lets you 
>> make a backup of your contacts, too, which you might want to do before 
>> making changes.  If you do a full backup when you start the app, and read 
>> through the details of the saved backup, along with the information that in 
>> addition to saving your backup locally in the app, you can save your backup 
>> in Dropbox, Google Drive, or via email, there will be three unlabeled 
>> buttons at the bottom of the screen.  Just keep flicking past the "button", 
>> "button", "button", and you will get the labels "Preview", "Email", and 
>> "Saving".  You can either custom label those three buttons with those 
>> labels, or just double tap on the labels instead of the unlabeled buttons 
>> that precede them -- it has exactly the same effect as though you double 
>> tapped on the button above the label. That's the only extra tip I'd give 
>> here. I don't even bother to relabel the buttons.
>> 
>> I also like the fact that the app will show you duplicate or missing fields 
>> in contacts and let you decide the action you want to take, rather than 
>> automatically trying to merge.
>> 
>> This is a universal app, and also supports English, French, Spanish, 
>> Italian, German, Portuguese-Br, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Dutch, Russian, 
>> Turkish, Arabic, and Hebrew.
>> 
>> • Cleaner Pro – Remove Duplicate Contacts for Addressbook, iCloud, Gmail, 
>> Yahoo & Outlook (free today, usually $0.99) by Yoni Tserruya
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cleaner-pro-remove-duplicate/id519077149?mt=8
>> 
>> 
>> And I'm happy I sorted the mail setup on my iOS device.  (The account 
>> description filed was duplicated under the field for my name.).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> I just took a look at the app and I can say I;m already loving it. The 
>>> interface is very easy to use and all of that good stuff.
>>> 
>>> Take care and thanks.
>>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Esther wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> For those of you with iOS devices, Cleaner Pro, an app that allows you to 
>>>> manage and merge your contacts, including removing duplicate contacts, is 
>>>> free today.  It normally lists for $0.99. I've posted about this app 
>>>> before, so some of you may already have this. The cleaning functions are 
>>>> also included in the Multiple Edit - Contacts manager app by the same 
>>>> developer.  (that app has now been renamed "Simpler Pro".  Here's the App 
>>>> Store link:
>>>> • Cleaner Pro – Remove Duplicate Contacts for Addressbook, iCloud, Gmail, 
>>>> Yahoo & Outlook (free today, usually $0.99) by Yoni Tserruya
>>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cleaner-pro-remove-duplicate/id519077149?mt=8
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I hope this post shows  as being "from: Esther".  I had to restore 
>>>> an iOS and set up mail again, and posting and replies from there seem 
>>>> erratic.  My reply to Eileen came up as from: "Mac-Access" and one reply 
>>>> went to the original poster instead of the list.  Here's hoping this works 
>>>> correctly.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Esther
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Re: Cleaner Pro iOS app for Contacts is free today

[Esther]

Hi Sarah,

I like the apps from this developer (Yoni Tserruya) a lot, because they're 
generally well designed and very accessible. The Cleaner Pto app lets you make 
a backup of your contacts, too, which you might want to do before making 
changes.  If you do a full backup when you start the app, and read through the 
details of the saved backup, along with the information that in addition to 
saving your backup locally in the app, you can save your backup in Dropbox, 
Google Drive, or via email, there will be three unlabeled buttons at the bottom 
of the screen.  Just keep flicking past the "button", "button", "button", and 
you will get the labels "Preview", "Email", and "Saving".  You can either 
custom label those three buttons with those labels, or just double tap on the 
labels instead of the unlabeled buttons that precede them -- it has exactly the 
same effect as though you double tapped on the button above the label. That's 
the only extra tip I'd give here. I don't even bother to relabel the buttons.

I also like the fact that the app will show you duplicate or missing fields in 
contacts and let you decide the action you want to take, rather than 
automatically trying to merge.

This is a universal app, and also supports English, French, Spanish, Italian, 
German, Portuguese-Br, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Dutch, Russian, Turkish, 
Arabic, and Hebrew.

• Cleaner Pro – Remove Duplicate Contacts for Addressbook, iCloud, Gmail, Yahoo 
& Outlook (free today, usually $0.99) by Yoni Tserruya
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cleaner-pro-remove-duplicate/id519077149?mt=8


And I'm happy I sorted the mail setup on my iOS device.  (The account 
description filed was duplicated under the field for my name.).

Cheers,

Esther



On Jan 18, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> I just took a look at the app and I can say I;m already loving it. The 
> interface is very easy to use and all of that good stuff.
> 
> Take care and thanks.
> On Jan 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> For those of you with iOS devices, Cleaner Pro, an app that allows you to 
>> manage and merge your contacts, including removing duplicate contacts, is 
>> free today.  It normally lists for $0.99. I've posted about this app before, 
>> so some of you may already have this. The cleaning functions are also 
>> included in the Multiple Edit - Contacts manager app by the same developer.  
>> (that app has now been renamed "Simpler Pro".  Here's the App Store link:
>> • Cleaner Pro – Remove Duplicate Contacts for Addressbook, iCloud, Gmail, 
>> Yahoo & Outlook (free today, usually $0.99) by Yoni Tserruya
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cleaner-pro-remove-duplicate/id519077149?mt=8
>> 
>> Also, I hope this post shows  as being "from: Esther".  I had to restore an 
>> iOS and set up mail again, and posting and replies from there seem erratic.  
>> My reply to Eileen came up as from: "Mac-Access" and one reply went to the 
>> original poster instead of the list.  Here's hoping this works correctly.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther 
>> 
>> 
> 

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Re: Moving windows

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Sorry, you wanted to move up, so use VO-Up arrow after you use VO-accent to 
move up, and press escape when you're done.

Esther

On Jan 16, 2014, at 10:47 AM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi George,
> 
> I don't usually move windows, but can't you just bring up VoiceOver help 
> (VO-h- h), select "Size and Position", and then view the shortcuts?  For 
> example, use VO-accent (where the accent key is to the left of "1", on the 
> top row of numbers) to start moving, then VO-Down arrow to the position you 
> want, and press escape to leave moving mode.  There are also shortcuts to 
> resize, or to move by smaller amounts.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
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Re: Moving windows

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Hi George,

I don't usually move windows, but can't you just bring up VoiceOver help (VO-h- 
h), select "Size and Position", and then view the shortcuts?  For example, use 
VO-accent (where the accent key is to the left of "1", on the top row of 
numbers) to start moving, then VO-Down arrow to the position you want, and 
press escape to leave moving mode.  There are also shortcuts to resize, or to 
move by smaller amounts.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Jan 16, 2014, at 10:33 AM, George Cham  wrote:

> Hi ,
> I am wanting to re position a window,
> for example , when i open documents , the window is towards to the bottom of 
> the screen .
> How do i bring the window up using voiceover?
> 
> George Cham
> george.c...@mac-access.net
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Phonetic symbols in dictionaries under iOS 7 [was Re: entering IPA symbols on osx]

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Sorry about, this.  I did draft up a partial reply about phonetic symbols now 
being spoken by VoiceOver under iOS 7 last fall, but I didn't mean to send it 
out now.  However, this is one of the features that I've noticed under iOS 7, 
along with more symbols in general being recognized by VoiceOver.  
Pronunciation symbols for phonetic characters have been read out under 
dictionary entries.

Cheers,

Esther

On Jan 14, 2014, at 6:53 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Sarah and Others,
> 
> As a side effect of checking out Sarah's question about IPA symbols for 
> phonetic representation, I notice that under iOS 7 the individual phonetic 
> characters for pronouncing words in dictionary entries can now be read out by 
> VoiceOver.   For example, if you have downloaded the "Oxford Dictionary of 
> English" (as opposed to the New Oxford American Dictionary), and check the 
> entry for "woman", when you read off the phonetic symbols that follow the 
> word with the rotor set to character, VoiceOver will say, "w" "upsilon", "m", 
> "schwa", and "n", to indicate the 

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Phonetic symbols in dictionaries under iOS 7 [was Re: entering IPA symbols on osx]

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As a side effect of checking out Sarah's question about IPA symbols for 
phonetic representation, I notice that under iOS 7 the individual phonetic 
characters for pronouncing words in dictionary entries can now be read out by 
VoiceOver.   For example, if you have downloaded the "Oxford Dictionary of 
English" (as opposed to the New Oxford American Dictionary), and check the 
entry for "woman", when you read off the phonetic symbols that follow the word 
with the rotor set to character, VoiceOver will say, "w" "upsilon", "m", 
"schwa", and "n", to indicate the 
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Re: Canadian Holiday Calendar in Mavericks.

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Hello Jim,

Posting this again, since apparently my reply went to Leo, rather than the 
list. (Grrr… have to figure out how to reconfigure my devices).

I thought that the holiday calendar was selected automatically once you 
selected your region and languages under System Preferences > Language & 
Region.  For example, if I change my region from "United States" under the 
region pop up button to "Canada" by first selecting "Americas" and the Canada, 
examining the Calendar for the week of Christmas will show an entry for "Boxing 
Day" on Thursday, December 26, 2013.  There will be a note that this event 
belongs to calendar " Canadian Holidays".

As for adding different types of calendars pre-Mavericks. There's an iCalShare 
web site mentioned at AppleVis that lets you download specific holiday and 
sports calendars and share them on line.  That works all the way back to Snow 
Leopard.  The URL is:

http://www.icalshare.com

Apple also has a set of downloadable iCal calendars at:
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/calendars

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Jan 13, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Leo Bissonnette wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> While I don’t know how to get it in Mavricks for the Mac, I do remember that 
> on AppleVis there was a very helpful podcast on how to get various types of 
> calendars. Through that podcast I got one for Canadian Holidays and for one 
> of the teams I follow.
> 
> Check out:
> 
> www.applevis.com
> 
> Hope that helps a little.
> 
> Leo
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Hmm. I never saw that in mavericks. I just have the ones I created. Where 
>> did you hear this calendar was going to be in mavericks? I might have missed 
>> it when I last checked up on the key notes. 
>> 
>> Tc.
>> On Jan 13, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Folks:
>>> 
>>> How does one access a Canadian holiday calendar in Mavericks?
>>> 
>>> Thanks all over the place.
>>> 
> 
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Re: Mac App Deal: MacGourmet Deluxe has dropped in price:

[Esther]

Hi Eileen,

I think what I read is that some people purchased from the Mac App store, and 
then contacted the developer to use the present version, and were given a 
serial number to use in the version that they downloaded from the developer's 
web site, which is version 4, because the update still wasn't available at the 
Mac App Store. Since I have MacGourmet from a direct purchase from some time 
ago (not through the Mac App Store), I have a separate upgrade path through 
their web site.

That's what I read from one of the reviewer's comments.  Also, if you do want 
to get the Mac App Store version, the deluxe version has the meal-planning, 
nutrition, and grocery list modules.  What I meant was that for purchases from 
the developer's site, the price to upgrade to the deluxe version is $24.99.  
Hence, the options are to either buy it for $34.99 in the Deluxe Version, from 
the Mac App Store and then get a serial number for the Deluxe version from the 
Developer's web site to use in the meantime, or to buy the non-deluxe version 
with recipes only, try this out, contact the developers for a serial number for 
the new version, and then upgrade for $24.99 from their web site (with a new 
serial number) if you like the recipes portion.

Sorry this is so confusing!  It would be more straightforward if they simply 
announced that the new version would simple be in the app store soon, and that 
users would get this free, but I don't know what the policy here is, unless 
Dane remembers?

Cheers,

Esther

On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:17 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

> Hi Esther, 
> 
> When going through all these posts, I am just getting to this one. My 
> question to you before I seriously think about purchasing Mac Gourmet is if I 
> purchase it through the Mac Ap store will there be an update from version 3 
> to version 4? Maybe I wasn't making the connection in the more recent posts 
> about going to the web site and getting a license from there to update. Can 
> you elaborate on this if it can be done in order to purchase Mac Gourmet at 
> the 9.99 price? You know that I have had much difficulties  importing my text 
> files into Paprika and still have not accomplished this with all of your 
> detail explanations. I needed to put it aside because I was getting somewhat 
> frustrated and spending too much valuable time that I needed to dedicate to 
> my work. I have mastered all sorts of things with the Mac Air since I have 
> purchased it, but this is one that my brain seems not to embrace. Thanks in 
> advance for your opinions about the above. 
> 
> Best, 
> Eileen 
> On Jan 13, 2014, at 3:46 AM, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dónal,
>> 
>> I posted that MacGourmet deal to AppleVis, but I feel ambiguous about the 
>> developers' intentions, because a check just now shows that the version they 
>> are placing on "sale" is version 3, and they have upgraded (if you buy from 
>> their web site directly, at full price) to version 4.  (I didn't realize 
>> this at the time I posted -- just saw this now).  This seems less than 
>> honest to me.  Version 4 is the new version that is finally supposed to 
>> support cloud syncing with iOS.  Their iOS app will only work with version 
>> 4.  
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:14 AM, Donal Fitzpatrick 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I love paprika.  I have debated and debated buying Mac Gourmet Deluxe for 
>>> ages.  If someone can convince me it does things better/differently to 
>>> Paprika I’ll happily get it because I’m something of a cooking nerd. :-)
>>> 
>>> thanks for posting this.
>>> On 13 Jan 2014, at 05:33, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don't use this app as I have all of my recipes in a text file, Ok a few 
>>>> hundred text  files, but here enjoy for those that want a recipe app.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://applevis.com/apps/deals/mac…
>>>> 
>>>> Tc all.
>>> 
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Re: Mac App Deal: MacGourmet Deluxe has dropped in price:

[Esther]

Hi Dónal,

I read one of the reviews that said they had contacted the developer, and that 
the new version was still pending approval from Apple.  However, in the 
meantime in response to the contact, the dev had supplied them with a separate 
serial number so they could download and use the version from the developer's 
web site. This sounds a lot better.

I don't know anything about the iOS app (called Gourmet (for iOS)) though, or 
whether they have really solved the cloud syncing issue.

The things I like about Mac Gorumet are the recipe sharing features and 
existing community/forum, which were nice when starting up. They start you off 
with a large sample recipe pack, which can be a nice feature. 

They've separately put the MacGourmet and MacGourmet Deluxe packages on sale 
($9.99 reduced from $24.99 for MacGourmet, and $34.99 reduced from $49.99 for 
MacGourmet Deluxe).  I don't think the Mac App Store lets you "upgrade", but if 
you can get the license/serial number from the MacGourmet web site, you could 
just get the $9.99 recipes only version (no meal-planning, nutrition, shopping 
list modules), and see whether you like it.  The upgrade price to the deluxe 
version from the web site would be $24.99 (same as the Mac App Store Deluxe 
Price).

Here are the items I caught that are on sale:
• MacGourmet ($9.99 on sale, lists for $24.99) by Mariner Software
https://itunes.apple.com/app/macgourmet/id403560571?mt=12
The deluxe version of MacGourmet with meal-planning, nutritional information, 
and generating shopping lists is also on sale, but at less of a discount:
• MacGourmet Deluxe ($34.99 on sale, lists for $39.99)
https://itunes.apple.com/app/macgourmet-deluxe/id412646750?mt=12
There is also an iOS app:
• Gourmet (for iOS) ($1.99 on sale, lists for $3.99)
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/gourmet-for-ios/id711561842?mt=8

There is the ability to import Paprika Recipe Manager formats now covered on 
the FAQ web pages for version 4.  The Mac app version of MacGourmet has always 
been very accessible, and sharing with other (MacGourmet) users may be a bit 
easier than with Paprika in terms of database sharing.

The other feature I like is the ability to set up "smart" lists in your 
criteria when looking for recipes by ingredients or other criteria.  That's a 
very Mac-like feature that has been integrated into MacGourmet.  And, as I 
said, when I started using MacGourmet, I was able to find web search results 
from their forums of specific categories of recipes that were shared.  That's 
now hosted by Mariner Software, who bought the rights a year and a half ago 
from Advenio, so I don't know what that's like.  (The old forum web site is 
still around.)

I have no additional insights about the iOS app.  (It does strike me that if 
you get the recipes database for $9.99 and can get the serial number for 
version 4 at the developer's web site, that could be a good deal, and then you 
could upgrade later, if you wanted.)

Cheers,

Esther 

On Jan 13, 2014, at 1:47 AM, Donal Fitzpatrick  
wrote:

> Oops thanks Esther I’d missed that.  That isn’t clever on their part really…
> 
> Dónal
> On 13 Jan 2014, at 11:46, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dónal,
>> 
>> I posted that MacGourmet deal to AppleVis, but I feel ambiguous about the 
>> developers' intentions, because a check just now shows that the version they 
>> are placing on "sale" is version 3, and they have upgraded (if you buy from 
>> their web site directly, at full price) to version 4.  (I didn't realize 
>> this at the time I posted -- just saw this now).  This seems less than 
>> honest to me.  Version 4 is the new version that is finally supposed to 
>> support cloud syncing with iOS.  Their iOS app will only work with version 
>> 4.  
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:14 AM, Donal Fitzpatrick 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I love paprika.  I have debated and debated buying Mac Gourmet Deluxe for 
>>> ages.  If someone can convince me it does things better/differently to 
>>> Paprika I’ll happily get it because I’m something of a cooking nerd. :-)
>>> 
>>> thanks for posting this.
>>> On 13 Jan 2014, at 05:33, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don't use this app as I have all of my recipes in a text file, Ok a few 
>>>> hundred text  files, but here enjoy for those that want a recipe app.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://applevis.com/apps/deals/mac…
>>>> 
>>>> Tc all.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: Mac App Deal: MacGourmet Deluxe has dropped in price:

[Esther]

Hi Dónal,

I posted that MacGourmet deal to AppleVis, but I feel ambiguous about the 
developers' intentions, because a check just now shows that the version they 
are placing on "sale" is version 3, and they have upgraded (if you buy from 
their web site directly, at full price) to version 4.  (I didn't realize this 
at the time I posted -- just saw this now).  This seems less than honest to me. 
 Version 4 is the new version that is finally supposed to support cloud syncing 
with iOS.  Their iOS app will only work with version 4.  


Cheers,

Esther

On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:14 AM, Donal Fitzpatrick  
wrote:

> I love paprika.  I have debated and debated buying Mac Gourmet Deluxe for 
> ages.  If someone can convince me it does things better/differently to 
> Paprika I’ll happily get it because I’m something of a cooking nerd. :-)
> 
> thanks for posting this.
> On 13 Jan 2014, at 05:33, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> I don't use this app as I have all of my recipes in a text file, Ok a few 
>> hundred text  files, but here enjoy for those that want a recipe app.
>> 
>> 
>> http://applevis.com/apps/deals/mac…
>> 
>> Tc all.
> 

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Re: Another OCR Question About the iPad this time

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Hi Martin,

Yes, the newer iPads do have enough resolution for scanning printed documents, 
but it is somewhat tricky to get the documents centered with the camera in the 
top right corner and much larger devices.  I've heard some vendors are working 
on stands for the iPad, similar to the StandScan Pro, but I don't know if these 
will come with the same built-in lighting.

Cheers,

Esther

On 6 Jan 2014, at 09:27, Martin G. McCormick wrote:

>   I bought my iPad last February and it has the Lightning
> connector so it is a newer design. It has the FaceTime camera on
> the same side as the screen and a rear-facing camera on the back
> side of the upper-right corner. I remember a thread about how
> some of the iPads did not have enough resolution for scanning
> printed documents and I am asking whether or not the newer iPads
> can do OCR.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Martin McCormick

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Scanner Pro iOS app by Readdle is free today

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Hi All,

We've had a few recent discussions about using OCR apps with the iPhone, so I 
wanted to mention that Readdle's Scanner Pro, normally a $6.99 purchase, is 
free today.  First, let me say that this is not an OCR app -- it only takes 
images with your camera.  However, the reason for drawing this app to your 
attention is that it applies image processing to make the saved image easier to 
read, and also to decipher by OCR programs.  So, if you use this with a 
StandScan Pro, and take images of pages with text on colored backgrounds or 
where the letters are not as clear, and then use the "Toolbar Actions" button 
in the bottom right corner to "Open In…" and pass this to Prizmo or 
TextGrabber, you may get some better OCR results for cases that might be 
problematic.

Many OCR apps, including Prizmo, let you make image adjustments interactively 
to improve the results.  The difference here is that Readdle's Scanner Pro app 
applies the image processing enhancements automatically, with the program 
making the adjustments instead of requiring vision.  So, to summarize, if 
you're using TextGrabber or Prizmo, and your default operating conditions are 
good -- plenty of light, clean white paper with good quality text, and you have 
a great OCR success rate, then this app won't make a difference.  But if your 
conditions are less ideal, the print quality isn't as good, the paper 
background is colored, or the lighting wasn't as good, then taking images with 
the Readdle Scanner Pro app and then sending them to either Prizmo or 
TextGrabber could give you better results, and improve the accuracy rate of 
your OCR.

I haven't had a lot of time to experiment with this since the app is only free 
today.  I think that most people will be using this with a StandScan Pro, or 
some other support frame. The first button on the screen is unlabeled.  It is 
the "Settings" button, which lets you configure the app to automatically upload 
to DropBox, etc. or make changes to the default paper size or other settings.  
I didn't change any of the settings options, but only viewed these before 
closing this menu. The other elements of the main screen is an "Edit" button 
for deleting scans you've made,  and the "Icon Camera" button and "Icon Photos" 
button at the bottom of the screen. I haven't tried to do anything with the 
Photo Album access, only using the camera.  You do have to then press the 
"Camera Icon" button at the bottom of the screen above the Home button to take 
the picture, and then press the "Next" and "Save" buttons at the bottom right 
corner of the next screens to process the picture.  (This is a bit like the way 
version 1 of Prizmo used to work). On the final screen, double tap the "Toolbar 
Actions" button in the bottom right corner and choose "Open In…" then select 
the OCR app of choice (e.g., Prizmo or TextGrabber).

The documents are stored on the screen, and you can use the "Edit" button to 
delete them.

I'm still not sure this is worth the effort, but you can all try this yourself, 
if you have a StandScan Pro. Make sure that you get Readdle's app, since there 
are many apps named "Scanner Pro". Also, . Here's the App Store link:
• Scanner Pro (free today, usually $6.99) by Readdle
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/scanner-pro-by-readdle/id333710667?mt=8

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
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Re: Suggestions for scanning printed books with an iPhone

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Hello James,

I agree with Anne that TextGrabber and Prizmo are the best OCR apps for the 
iPhone,  TextGrabber is currently on sale for $1.99, reduced from $5.99. (The 
price just dropped yesterday morning.)
• TextGrabber + Translator ($1.99, normally $5.99) by ABBYY
https://itunes.apple.com/app/textgrabber/id438475005
Here's a link to the June AccessWorld article that reviews both TextGrabber and 
the StandScan Pro:
http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw140603

If you need to order the StandScan Pro from its web site, there's a product 
link for the device with the high-power battery and charger (that you want for 
the brighter light that improves OCR results):
http://bit.ly/1kYNUll
I've shortened the link from the full address at the main site:
http://standscan.com/
I've used Zoom Reader (just with VoiceOver, not the low vision functions).  It 
uses the ABBYY engine for OCR, so it does a reasonable job, but TextGrabber, 
which is ABBYY's own app, is better.  It's possible there are low vision 
enhancements to ZoomReader that make it worth the $19.99 list price, but 
frankly TextGrabber is better irrespective of price.  For one thing, if you 
import an image from the camera roll, ZoomReader won't correctly OCR if the 
image is upside down or rotated by 90 degrees, although it will recognize the 
rotated images if you use the camera directly.

Another tip, if you take a lot of images that you want to transfer back to your 
computer, you can export to a downloading app as an intermediary to Dropbox and 
get more content transferred than if you simply export to Dropbox directly.

Cheers,

Esther 


On Dec 31, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello James,
> 
> The best OCR apps for iPhone are TextGrabber and Prizmo. Prizmo is easier to 
> use freehand, but TextGrabber normally gives better results and is faster, as 
> long as you use something like a StandScan Pro or ScanBox to provide optimal 
> lighting and positioning.
> 
> You can buy the StandScan Pro from:
> <http://standscan.com/index.php/product/standscan-pro.html>
> It’s adbvisable to add the 12 v battery pack to your order as it provides 
> better lighting.
> 
> If you’re in France, you can get the StandScan Pro from CECIAA for €30.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Dec 2013, at 15:47, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>> Happy new year to all.
>> 
>> Could anyone please suggest an OCR solution that will allow me to scan 
>> printed books using an iPhone? I hear that Zoom Reader is supposed to be 
>> very good, can anyone shed any light on this? I'd also like to know if i can 
>> use the iPhone as a portable scanner, and have access to the resulting 
>> scanned images on the Mac for editing purposes.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> All good wishes
>> James
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Re: can we get our iPhone5 to read buttons on equipment such as CD-Recorders

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Hi Brenda,

You might do better looking for a PDF user manual for your device.  A lot of 
these electronic devices use icons instead of text labels for buttons, so an 
OCR program won't necessarily help you identify the button controls, but a 
manual description that lists the buttons in order might provide the 
information you need. 

I can't really think of any specific apps to recommend for this.  talking 
Goggles in video mode works fairly well, but it would probably be better at 
identifying the device, instead of reading individual control labels.  Your 
best shot might be the Text Detective app, if you already have this.   That app 
can be used to identify text on parts of a computer screen, for example.  But I 
doubt it will work as well for reading button labels on an electronic device.  
The problems are that you won't be able to tell whether lighting is good for 
your device, or where to point your camera for the buttons, unless you have 
some usable vision, whereas computer monitors are lit unless your screen 
curtain is turned on.  Also, if the device uses an icon instead of text, the 
app won't be able to make an identification.

At $9.99 for the current price of Text Detective, I'd be reluctant to try this 
as an experiment.  If you bought this app at its introductory price of $1.99 
over a year ago, it might be worth trying.

Text Detective is an OCR app that works in video mode, like Talking Goggles and 
LookTel MoneyReader, but it can only read a part of a page.  You also have to 
hold your iPhone in landscape mode, and the text cannot be recognized if the 
page is upside down or rotated by 90 degrees (which are conditions that both 
Prizmo and TextGrabber can handle).  However, many people find TextDetective 
easier to use freehand than OCR apps like Prizmo or TextGrabber, even if they 
cannot get it to read an entire page , or even control well the part of the 
page that is recognized.

HTH.  Sorry not to have a more optimistic answer. Cheers,

Esther 

On Dec 30, 2013, at 4:02 PM, "meadowlark77"  wrote:

> Hello y'all,
> 
>Is there a program that we can use to get our iPhone5 to read butttons 
> such as on a CD-Writer? I have Prismo, latest version, but cannot get that 
> to do it. If there's something like that, please let me know.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Brenda
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Re: iTunes library

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Hi Andy,

I'm guessing that you open iTunes from the dock, using VO-space.  What's 
happening is that you're not pressing the Control and Option keys at quite the 
same time.  On the Mac, using the Option key usually indicates you want an 
alternate option.  So when you start up your Mac, and hold down the Option key, 
you'll be able to choose a different boot device from your default hard drive 
(by pressing your arrow keys to move to a different attached hard drive that is 
bootable, and pressing "Return").  Or in iTunes, if you move to the search 
field (with Command-Option-f), type in a search string, and then press 
Option-Return, the search is conducted in the iTunes Store rather than your 
Library.

If you launch iTunes from the dock by pressing the "Return" key, your default 
library will open automatically.  What's happening is that your separate press 
of the "Option" key is being detected,so you're being asked whether you want to 
open some other iTunes library than your default one.  This is just one of the 
instances where having the two keys, Control and Option, acting as the 
VoiceOver keys, can confuse your Mac about whether you want to separately press 
the Option key when launching iTunes.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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> Hi all -
> 
> Quite regularly, when I open iTunes, a message comes up asking me to "choose 
> an iTunes library." It's not an issue as I can go in to the Music folder, and 
> highlight the iTunes folder from in there, but it doesn't seem to stick. This 
> doesn't happen every time, but often enough to make me wonder why it happens, 
> and if others get the same -
> 
> Andy
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Re: Lewie Braille Translator for OS X

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Hello Gordon and Others,

As far as I know, this project has not been under active development for some 
time, but I know people continued to use it under Snow Leopard and Lion, so 
it's possible if you have an older machine you can dedicate for this purpose.  
You may remember that Greg Kearney worked on it extensively when he was still 
in the U.S. and working for the Wyoming Medical Center.  Insofar as this did 
not impact his computer support duties, his employers encouraged and supported 
his efforts and interests in accessibility.  I don't think he has the same sort 
of resources or time since moving and taking up his position at the Guide Dogs 
of Western Australia. Most of the web pages for projects that he was involved 
with have been moved to the Curtin University site:
http://www.cucat.org/projects.php

The most recent document I've seen describing the use of this program is a post 
by Keith Reedy on his macvoiceover list earlier this year.  Here is the 
archived post, dated from March 2013:
• [macvoiceover] Creating Braille on your Mac and Louis URL:
http://www.freelists.org/post/macvoiceover/Creating-braille-on-your-mac-and-Louis-Url

The current web URL for Louis is at the Curtin University web site:
http://www.cucat.org/projects/louis/

For anything else, I think you'd have to get in contact with Greg directly.

HTH.  Cheers

On Dec 26, 2013, at 6:41 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

> No, its not. I dearly wish it was, because of the advancements in liblouis, 
> but it hasn't been worked on in a while.
> Sent from my braille plus 18
> 
> Gordon Smith  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Does anybody happen to know whether this is under active development these 
>> days?  I’d think so judging by the fact that the website is registered with 
>> a 2013 copyright banner, but then again, maybe not.
>> 
>> If it isn’t under development any longer, does anybody happen to know of any 
>> alternatives on the OS X platform?  If it’s available and if it does a good 
>> job, I’m not unwilling to pay/donate, as I have for NVEDA on the Windows 
>> platform.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Kind regards

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Where To? iOS GPS App on Sale for $0.99

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Hi All, 

The iOS "Where To?" app that lets you search for POIs and route the addresses 
to other navigation apps is on sale for $0.99, reduced from $2.99.  This is one 
of my favorite apps for POIs, works well internationally (most places except in 
Asia, apart from Japan, and only parts of Africa), and lets you send your 
addresses to other navigation apps (like Navigon, TomTom, Motion X GPS Drive, 
Google Maps, Apple Maps, HopStop, and others).  It will also let you get a live 
update of direction and distance to a selected POI if your  focus is on the top 
right corner of the "Details" page of that selected POI.  I like the 
flexibility of using this separately or together with other navigation apps.

• Where To? - Discover your next destination using GPS ($on sale for $0.99, 
usually $2.99) by FutureTap GmbH
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/where-to-discover-your-next/id314785156?mt=8

Cheers,

Esther
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Voice Dream Reader iOS app is on sale for $4.99

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Hi All,

If there are any list members who have been thinking of using Voice Dream 
Reader for their iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad, this app is on sale now for half 
price ($4.99 instead of $9.99).  This app is great for reading a wide range of 
document formats and eBook content (only DRM-free eBooks, though -- won't 
generally work for iBooks or Kindle eBook contents), and DAISY books, including 
in audio format.  If you have a Bookshare account, you can log in and download 
books directly from the app.  You can have the selected voice and reading speed 
remembered along with your place on a per book basis.  You have the option of 
purchasing additional voices for use in the app for $1.99-$2.99 each.  These 
are the Acapela voices, but there are also some very good NeoSpeech voices.  In 
iOS 7 you have the option of using the built-in voices.

There's also a free lite version of Voice Dream Reader that you can use to try 
out the app (though I prefer to purchase the full version of apps instead of 
adding features by in-app purchase -- it's less confusing if download the app 
again or use it on another iOS device, because your usage will not be limited 
until you remember to do a restore of in-app purchases.).  The free version 
will only read 300 characters at a time for each press of the "Play" button, 
but is otherwise fully functional.

Here are the app store URLs:
• Voice Dream Reader - Text to Speech (on sale for $4.99, usually$9.99) by 
Voice Dream LLC
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voice-dream-reader-text-to/id496177674?mt=8
• Voice Dream Reader Lite - Text to Speech (free) by Voice Dream LLC
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voice-dream-reader-lite-text/id563971853?mt=8

I'll point you to a link to a recent review post.  Use the Safari reader option 
(Command-Shift-R on a Mac):
• Voice Dream Reader, Truly a Dream App
http://mosen.org/index.php/voice-dream-reader-truly-a-dream-app/

For those of you who have BookShare's Read2Go app ($20), this app still has a 
better interface for Braille users.  But you are restricted to using the U.S. 
English voices that come with this app, so you don't have options to use a 
voice with a different language or regional accent.  You also can't read 
Microsoft Office or Pages documents, plain text, HTML, ePub, etc.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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Re: Nisus Writer with a special offer today

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Hi,

That $54.99 price for Nisus Writer Pro is good for the Mac app store, too.  And 
Nisus is another site that offers academic discounts.  Family Pack deals are 
only available at the web site:

http://nisus.com/store/

The Academic discount price of Nisus Writer Pro is $39 today from their web 
site.  Check the "more purchasing options" link:
http://nisus.com/pro/buyMore.php

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 

On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:08 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

> I've been using this software for as long as I've had my Mac, very well 
> recommended.
> 
> 
> On 20 Dec 2013, at 1:03 am, Christian Schoepplein  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Nisus Writer can be bought for a lower price today. From the actual Nisus 
>> newsletter:
>> 
>> Today only (December 19), from 12:00 AM Pacific Standard Time to 11:59 PM we 
>> are throwing a One Day Only Festivus sale.
>> 
>> Nisus Writer Pro will be $55 for the full version (regular price $79) and 
>> $35 for the upgrade (regular price $49). Nisus Writer Express will be priced 
>> at $20. That's right, $20. You read that correctly. This price is so low we 
>> aren't offering an upgrade price. It's $10 less than the upgrade price of 
>> $30! I mean really, don't think about it, just buy it! Buy it! The Family 
>> Pack 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
> 
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Re: cost of updates

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I forgot to add that there can be reasons for preferring either the Mac  App 
Store version or the Developer's web page version.  The Apps that support  
Cloud Syncing (e.g., 1Password 4) may exclusively have this feature through the 
Mac App Store version.  On the other hand, apps that require more control of 
your computer, like TextExpander, can't meet the sandboxing requirements that 
are needed for apps that are in the Mac App Store.  So the version of 
TextExpander for Mac in the Mac App Store is version 3.4.2, while TextExpander 
4, which supports many new features, like filling in forms, can only be sold 
outside the Mac App Store.  There was a MacWorld article last year in June 
titled "TextExpander 4 adds new features, but must leave the Mac App Store."

On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Esther  wrote:

> The advantages of checking a developer's web site for purchasing software are 
> that:
> 1. They may offer special sale pricing, especially for upgrades
> 2. They may have free trial downloads
> 3. They may have special educational discount pricing

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
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Re: cost of updates

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Hi Mark and Others,

ABBYY FineReader Pro is not a simple update to the ABBYY FineReader Express 
software that you bought, but a new release with expanded features that is a 
major new version.  Major version releases are not usually covered by your 
original purchase. You can upgrade to this new Pro version of ABBYY FineReader 
either by purchasing it at the Mac App Store for the stated price of $99.99, or 
by going to the ABBYY web site and purchasing an upgrade for $79.99 (or the 
corresponding cost in Euros, pounds sterling, etc.). The upgrade pricing is 
only available from the ABBYY web site.

The web store version of ABBYY FineReader Pro works with Lion and above; the 
Mac App Store version requires Mountain Lion and above.

As I stated in a post in an earlier thread, when Eileen asked whether she 
should buy this from the ABBYY web site or the Mac App Store, for a new buyer, 
there is no price difference.  If you buy from the ABBYY web site, you then 
need to do the software updates from within the app -- not through the Mac App 
Store notifications -- and keep separate track of the serial number.

The advantages of checking a developer's web site for purchasing software are 
that:
1. They may offer special sale pricing, especially for upgrades
2. They may have free trial downloads
3. They may have special educational discount pricing.

I believe there's a link to the Upgrade purchase options from the "Why Upgrade" 
page I posted some weeks ago:
http://finereader.abbyy.com/pro_for_mac/why_upgrade/

At the bottom of the page, there is a note "Learn how to upgrade with a 
significant discount: Visit your regional ABBYY Online Store!" with a link to 
get to your regional store.

On that last point, earlier this month I stated that ABBYY's educational 
discount pages didn't include ABBYY FineReader Pro for Mac yet.  Now it does (I 
got here from a "Special Offers" link in ABBYY's U.S. web store, so this may be 
the specific version for their U.S. programs)

• ABBYY Educator's advantage page:
http://www.abbyyspecials.com/abbyy-educator-advantage-program
• ABBYY Student Savings Program page:
http://www.abbyyspecials.com/abbyy-student-savings-program

Price is $69.99 to buy a new version of ABBYY FineReader Pro for Mac, and 
$55.99 to buy an upgrade to ABBYY FineReader Pro

Generally, you have to submit a valid email address from an educational domain 
(e.g. ".edu" or other such) for the purchase to work from web sites which give 
academic discounts.  For Amadeus Pro, I think you have to send a contact email 
with information to the developer, and he sends you a discount coupon code to 
use when you do the purchase.

Please note that I haven't done all these transactions myself -- I simple read 
the information that is available at the web sites in question!

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 


On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Rodney Haynie  wrote:

> It is my understanding that when you purchase apps from the app store,
> you get unlimited updates for free. This is Apple law I believe.
> If a developer wants to charge for an update in the app store, then
> they have two means of doing so. They can invoke functionality that is
> only accessible through an in-app purchase. Or they can submit the app
> again with a slightly modified name (usually adding a number or
> increasing the number at the end of the name), therefore a brand new
> app to purchase.
> 
> 
> On 12/19/13, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>> Updates have nearly always in my experience been free. I’ve known a few
>> cases where an app developer charges a fee for a new version, but that seems
>> to be quite rare, especially on the Mac App Store.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Dec 19, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Mark Furness  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, here is a stupid question.
>>> 
>>> All my updates so far, have had no cost.
>>> If I was to purchase Abby fine reader from the mac store, will there be
>>> additional cost as it is updated?
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: The "second page" problem :-(

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Hi Christian and Others,

Zack did a great job of answering your questions about accessing pages in your 
documents, but I thought I would point you to this archived post of mine 
describing, among other things, the advantages of working in Draft View mode in 
Nisus Writer Pro, and where to get the User Guide.:

• Re: Formatting in Nisus Writer pro
http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg18017.html

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 18, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Christian Schoepplein wrote:

> Thanks Zack, that worked *yeah*!
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> Am 18.12.2013 um 20:38 schrieb Zachary Kline:
> 
>> Hi Christian,
>> May I assume you’re using Draft view in Nisus? IF not, you might want to, 
>> it’s the most accessible of the views I believe.
>> There is probably a similar command, but I don’t remember it right now. I 
>> never ran into the problem with Nisus in draft view.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Dec 18, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Zack,
>>> 
>>> thanks for this helpfull hint. But how can I deal with this problem in 
>>> Nisus Writer Pro? Has anyone a workaround for this app?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> Am 18.12.2013 um 20:23 schrieb Zachary Kline:
>>> 
>>>> This is a known problem under TextEdit. The solution is to use “Wrap to 
>>>> Window,” mode instead of “Wrap to page.” You can toggle this on with 
>>>> cmd-shift-w.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Zack.
>>>> On Dec 18, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> since 10.9 and also with 10.9.1 there is the problem, that in some apps 
>>>>> only the first page of document files are spoken by vo, all further pages 
>>>>> are not recognized :-(. This strange behaviour can be noticed in Nisus 
>>>>> Writer, iText Express and many others, even the Text Edit app from Apple 
>>>>> can’t be used to read longer documents :-(.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because I think, that this is a very big issue and makes work with 
>>>>> documents very heavy under Mac OS,  I’d be great if everyone can report 
>>>>> this issue to the accessibility team of Apple. Maybe then this issue, and 
>>>>> hopefully also many others, will be fixed in 10.9.2…, allthough I do not 
>>>>> really beleeve it :-(.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How do you handle the „second page“ problem? Do you know a workaround?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Christian
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Re: accessible Keyboard editor for the mack.

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Hello Jim,

I think Sarah is referring to Eric Caron's podcast about using KeyRemap4MacBook 
that was posted to this list, but which is probably more easily accessed from 
the Guides section at AppleVis, since there is more background information, 
along with comments and updates there. This is probably the easiest way to do 
what you want, but in most cases you need to know the key code sequences for 
the functions you want to redefine. Eric wanted to remap the Caps Lock key on 
his Mac to act as the VoiceOver Control+Option keys, so he asked the developer 
for help, and the dev added an option for making it easy to do this 
configuration.  So Eric's podcast was about how to implement this new feature 
when using KeyRemap4MacBook along with a second application at the same site, 
PCKeyboardHack.  It wasn't meant to be a general podcast about how to remap 
keys with this software.

KeyRemap4MacBook may be downloaded from:
http://pqrs.org/macosx/keyremap4macbook/

KR4MB (to abbreviate the name) is a donationware program that is a general key 
remapper for all keyboards used with Macs - not just MacBooks or Mac laptops.  
By donationware  I mean that the program is free to download, but if you find 
it useful it's suggested that you make a small donation to support the 
continuing development. If you want to read more about the details of using 
this software, here's a link to my archived list post from the summer of last 
year:
• NumPad on laptop Macs and KeyRemap4MacBook:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg12382.html

The quick explanation of the default behavior of KR4MB is that installing this 
software will let you use the keys on the right side of the keyboard, where 
there is normally an embedded Numeric Keypad enabled with a NumLock key on 
Windows laptops, as a Numeric Keypad when you press those keys in combination 
with the "Fn" key.  If you don't want this behavior, you can disable it by 
unchecking a box in the software, and you can just use the other remapping 
options.  But what is very slick about this for VoiceOver users is that the 
activated embedded NumPad can work with all the NumPad Commander keyboard 
shortcuts that you can customize, and will work correctly with all the modifier 
key definitions (e.g., with additional presses of the Command key, or Shift 
key, etc.)

The main difference in using the program now is that the menus I described were 
included inside the program when the next major version update was released, so 
they're not associated with a preference pane outside of the program any more.  
Also, the developer incorporated Eric's requested customization into that (and 
subsequent) releases, so you no longer have to get the special version of KR4MB 
that he described in his podcast or its notes.

The program's web site does contain full information.  it's just that this 
information is laid out in the more minimalist style of documentation that 
Linux users will recognize.  So my archived post gives some details about the 
most efficient ways I found of navigating the options with VoiceOver.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:09 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

>> I believe someone did a podcast on  some key board editors that are 
>> accessible. Aric something or other. Basically they are system pref pains 
>> that you could use to change the way keys behave and what they do for 
>> example have your control and option in the caps lock key.
> 
> Take care.
> On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gang:
>> 
>> Anyone know of a good accessible keyboard editor for the Mack? I had a look 
>> at the Ukelele software but there are accessibility issues.  My goal is to 
>> convert the numeric keyboard of my Apple keyboard, including the use of 
>> modifier keys, to emulate a standard recorder  keyboard.
>> 
>> Thanks all over the place gang.
>> 
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AmpKit+ iOS app is on sale for $8.99

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Hi All,
For the guitarists on this list, AmpKit+ is on sale for $8.99, reduced from 
$19.99.  I don't know whether there's interest in this kind of app here, but I 
know some other VoiceOver users who have pronounced this app to be "awesome". 
There is an AppleVis directory entry for the free version of this app. The 
premium version that is on sale comes with a range of additional synths and 
features. This is a universal app that is also Audiobus compatible, so may be 
of particular interest to users of new iOS devices with the faster processors 
that are well-positioned to work with Audiobus-compatible music apps, which 
includes GarageBand for iOS, and route outputs of one amp into the inputs of 
others. (This works best on the new processors, which can keep up without 
stuttering or drag).

App Store link to AmpKit+:
• AmpKit+ (on sale for $8.99, usually lists for $19.99) by Agile Partners:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ampkit+/id385758778?mt=8
The App Store link to the free version of AmpKit is:
• AmpKit (free version):
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ampkit/id364011231?mt=8

You can also read the AppleVis entry for the free app:
http://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/music/ampkit

There is a user manual at the developer's web site:
http://agilepartners.com/apps/ampkit/manual/

Here are links to a couple of recent reviews of the AmpKit+ app.  (Use the 
Safari reader option):
• MusicAppBlog Review of AmpKit+ March 8, 2013:
http://www.musicappblog.com/ampkit-app-review/
• AmpKit+: Better Than the Real Thing? June 21, 2012 AppStorm Review:
http://ipad.appstorm.net/reviews/music/put-your-guitar-rig-on-your-ipad-with-ampkit/

HTH.  Cheers,

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Re: Time machine backup

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Hello George,

Reformatting drives is done with the Disk Utility application, but before you 
reformat your drive, or erase your partition, you might want to try doing some 
troubleshooting.

Here's the link to the Apple Knowledge Base article on Time Machine: 
Troubleshooting backup issues:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3275

I think there's probably more information in the Take Control of Backing Up You 
Mac eBook guide, if you have this (one of the perquisites of being a list 
member is the 80% discount in buying any of the Take Control Guides).

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:43 AM, George Cham wrote:

> I am having a issue with my time machine backup .
> I’m getting a message saying that the backup failed .
> What i would like to do is reformat the external drive and start again .
> I can’t find the option in system preferences to do this .
> 
> 
> George Cham
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> 
> 

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MacUpdate Holiday Bundle Sale ($39.99 for 10 apps)

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Hi All,

I'm posting details about a MacUpdate Bundle that is on sale for the next day 
and a bit.  This might be of particular interest to users who want to read 
Windows formatted hard drives from their Macs. 

Some of the interesting apps in the bundle are Cocktail, a very good 
maintenance app for the Mac that lets you clean, repair and optimize your Mac 
(lists for $19), ExpanDrive, a GUI-based FTP/SFTP application for transferring 
files (lists for $39.95), and Paragon 2-in-1, a pair of utilities that lets you 
read NTFS-formatted Windows drives on your Mac and HFS+ formatted Mac drives on 
your Windows machine (lists for $29.90). (Note that I have no experience using 
the Paragon software; I have heard several VoiceOver users mention the utility 
for reading NTFS drives from the Mac, and one person has said they have used 
the application for reading Mac drives from Windows.  Other list members use 
the present version of ExpanDrive 3, and may comment.  I've used the previous 
version of ExpanDrive (now I use the Transmit app for FTP), and it had some 
nice features like the ability to automatically reconnect to servers when you 
moved to a new location, which was nice with a laptop.

There are some apps that are clearly visually oriented, like iStopMotion.  The 
Anonymizer and Backup services might be accessible.

You can usually download a trial bundle from the web site to decide on before 
purchasing.  They also let you designate licenses for individual apps to be 
sent to another user (in case you already have one of the apps in the bundle, 
or are not interested in its functions.)

The one important point about MacUpdate discount promos and bundles is that you 
do need to create a login account, and that requires a one-time negotiation of 
a CAPTCHA (although someone did tell me about getting in touch with the site 
managers for help with the account creation.). Your login account contains a 
history of your purchases with receipts, activation codes, and links to the 
software download that you can return to at any time.

Here's a link to the URL for the current MacUpdate Holiday Bundle:
https://deals.macupdate.com/deal/15082/december-holiday-bundle

I'll also paste in an email flyer I received that describes some of these apps:

Have you had a chance to 
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Re: More On The iDatabase App

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Hello Gena,

You're correct that iDatabase is a flat database. If you need a relational 
database, I know that a number of people are using Tap Forms, which has both 
Mac and iOS apps that are accessible.  I'm not sure about the status under 
Mavericks, but the developer has recently submitted a major update to the Mac 
App Store. This may not be of use to you, since you already have iDatabase. 
There are recent MacWorld reviews of both iDatabase and Tap Forms, if anyone 
wants to read up more about these apps.

Cheers,

Esther 

On Dec 16, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Georgina Joyce wrote:

> Hello Dane,
> 
> Many thanks for your investigations. I’m very busy at the moment, so hope to 
> play once everything has stopped for Christmas. From what I saw iDatabase is 
> a very slim flat database i.e. not a relational database. Which probably mean 
> I’ll need to use a open source back end and write php interface. If I want to 
> use relational features.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Gena
> On 16 Dec 2013, at 14:12, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I've been playing around with both the iDatabase Apps - iDatabase for the 
>> Mac and iDatabase for IOS - and both are reasonably priced from the 
>> appropriate App stores however to use it would appear that iDatabase for IOS 
>> is a little more accessible, I'm not saying that the Mac version isn't 
>> accessible< I just have to get used to the layout and learn what each item 
>> does when you click on it with Voiceover.
>> 
>> In my scenario I have both Apps at my disposal so if one isn't quite as 
>> accessible as the other it doesn't matter so much as data between the 2 apps 
>> can be synced using the Cloud.
>> 
>> The accessibility problem with the Mac App as far as I've found seems to be 
>> when you come to "Define" a new database or modify the structure of an 
>> existing one, all the elements are available for adding/inserting fields and 
>> you can see what sort of field you can use - that is a numeric field, big or 
>> small text field, date field and so on - but how to put them where you want 
>> them and how to tell iDatabase exactly what type of field you want, with 
>> iDatabase for IOS this procedure is a snap so I created some databases on y 
>> iPhone using iDatabase and synced them with the iMac.
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Re: Tweetlist

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Hi George,

I'm not using this app, and I don't know about a blog article, but although you 
haven't specifically identified your app by name, I think you must have the 
app, Tweetlist Pro for Twitter.  This app was discontinued in the iTunes Store 
as of 26 days ago, and the last released version was 3.5.5.

At the AppleVis site, they appear to have replaced the old app description 
entry for Tweetlist Pro for Twitter with one for TweetList 4 for Twitter (this 
is the new, iOS 7 only version that was released on November 20, 2013, and 
which is currently on sale for $2.99).  I think you may have to buy the new 
update to get a version that works with iOS 7, and that complies with the 
recent Twitter changes.

There are two product versions currently in the iTunes Store: Tweetlist 4 for 
Twitter ($2.99 -- the new app) and Tweetlist for Twitter ($4.99).  If you 
purchased Tweetlist Pro for Twitter, that app is not in the App Store any more. 

I suggest that you get in contact with the developer (maybe send a tweet to 
@tweetlist) or else post a question on AppleVis. But from all the other 
articles, people are definitely using Tweetlist under iOS 7 for the last 3 
weeks.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 


On Dec 15, 2013, at 10:11 AM, George Cham wrote:

> Hi,
> All updates are showing on the iPad and iPhone , regardless of weather they 
> are iPhone or iPad apps.
> Tweetlist has not showen up .
> Can someone please post the blog post that they posted on this topic.   
> George Cham
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Re: Anyone Using Tweetlist

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Hi George,

If you're running the iPhone Tweetlist app on your iPad, I don't know whether 
the updates would show up automatically for you under iOS 7 unless you looked 
under iPhone apps.  What happens when you check the following link (assuming 
this is the app that you bought)?

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tweetlist-for-twitter/id426026150?mt=8

Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 14, 2013, at 5:14 PM, George Cham wrote:

> Well if they have, I have not seen it. 
> I've got it on the ipad.
> I've just checked my version, Ive got version, 3. 55. 
> This has not been updated.  
> 
> 
> George,
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Dec 2013, at 1:35 pm, Esther wrote:
>> 
>> George, are you sure Tweetlist has not been updated for iOS 7? The version 
>> 4.0 release of the old Tweetlist app dated November 20, 2013 is described as 
>> optimized for iOS 7.  They also launched a new Tweetlist 4 for Twitter app 
>> (that requires iOS 7.0) at the sale price of $2.99.  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther 
>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:39 PM, George Cham wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only thing is , they have not updated it for ios 7.
>>> I’m using twitterrific  5 for ios .  
>>> George Cham
>>> george.c...@mac-access.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Dec 2013, at 8:26 am, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ah thanks, all comes back to me now .
>>>> 
>>>> Just love the Tweetlist client for IOS.
>>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: Anyone Using Tweetlist

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George, are you sure Tweetlist has not been updated for iOS 7? The version 4.0 
release of the old Tweetlist app dated November 20, 2013 is described as 
optimized for iOS 7.  They also launched a new Tweetlist 4 for Twitter app 
(that requires iOS 7.0) at the sale price of $2.99.  

Cheers,

Esther 

On Dec 14, 2013, at 3:39 PM, George Cham wrote:

> The only thing is , they have not updated it for ios 7.
> I’m using twitterrific  5 for ios .  
> George Cham
> george.c...@mac-access.net
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Dec 2013, at 8:26 am, Dane Trethowan wrote:
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>> Ah thanks, all comes back to me now .
>> 
>> Just love the Tweetlist client for IOS.
>> 
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Re: trouble with bt and my iPhone 5

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Hi Sarah,

Do you mean that you went to System Preferences >  Bluetooth to find and pair 
your iPhone? I may have had to do that for the very first version release of 
Type2Phone I tried (would have to search the list archives, but I remember that 
the initial pairing was the tricky bit, and I had to read someone's blog post 
about how he initially se up pairing.). I read that a few users who were having 
difficulty  using Type2Phone under iOS 7, so I wasn't sure if that was why you 
had difficulties.

Good to know you got this working.

Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 14, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> Ok. I think I solved it. What I had to do was pair the phone with my mac 
> first which is contrary with the directions of type to phone, then I had to 
> hit the connect button and it found my device. Odd that I have to do it this 
> way but it worked, for now. We'll see if this changes in the next few os 
> updates to come in the next year.
> 
> Tc and be blessed and happy saturday.
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 8:26 PM, alberto wrote:
> 
>> Hi, have you tried turning off bluetooth the mac for a few seconds and then 
>> enabling it again.  Also I would recommend deleting the info of your old 
>> iPhone from the bluetooth paired table that may help out as well.  I suggest 
>> this last part because there is the occasional time in which these things 
>> end up being the issue.
>> 
>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok. just a follow up. I just paired my apple bt keyboard and it paired 
>>> flawlessly. So the bt problem is  not with my phone I hope, but I did have 
>>> this trouble with my other phone and it would eventually work. Bleh!
>>> 
>>> Take care all.
>>> On Dec 13, 2013, at 7:50 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Sarah,
>>>> Have you first tried paring it with something more common, like headphones 
>>>> or some speakers?
>>>> That may help you trouble-shoot.
>>>> HTH.
>>>> 
>>>> Glenn
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>>>> To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 9:43 PM
>>>> Subject: trouble with bt and my iPhone 5
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello to all. I got a new iPhone 5 as mine broke. Anyway, I tried to make 
>>>> it 
>>>> see my mac so as to pair it so I could use type to phone and it will not. 
>>>> be seen no matter what I do. I tired rebooting and all I get is the search 
>>>> field which is dimmed, and a heading that says now discoverable. Any 
>>>> advice?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Vowels with Umlauts

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Hi Dónal,

On an Irish input language keyboard you'll need to use the "8" key on the 
number row instead of the "u" key to type an umlaut.  So you would press 
Option-key+8 and then press the key for the letter you want accented (e.g., a 
"u" if you want to type a "u" with an umlaut over it as in "ü" -- or a 
diaeresis, which my spell checker wants to correct to a U.S. English spelling 
with an "e" instead of "ae" letter combination before the "r" -- a more general 
term for this accent with two dots when it appears over letters other than "u").

I use the Option-key+8 shortcut quite frequently to type bullets for lists.  
You would have to add a press of the Shift key to type bullets 
(Option-key+Shift+8) instead of the umlaut accent character.  Another fun 
symbol to type is the Apple logo character, which is Option-key+Shift+k on an 
English (or Irish) language input keyboard.  

I did find a few other differences with how accents are typed on an Irish input 
keyboard.  Typing an acute accent on an English input keyboard requires 
pressing Option-key+e and then pressing the letter to be accented. On the Irish 
input keyboard the Option-key+e shortcut combination is bound to an "e" with an 
acute accent or "é". I have to press "Option-key+e" to generate the acute 
accent, and then press "e" again as the letter I want to be accented.  To type 
The "o" in your name without a shortcut for your name, I press "Option-key+e" 
followed by a press of the "o" key.  On the Irish keyboard, you press 
Option-key+o.  On an English input keyboard pressing Option-key+o produces an 
"o" with a slash -- which I might use in typing Danish or Scandinavian names.

For anyone who wants to try figuring out Option key combinations, bring up a 
TextEdit window, hold down the Option key, and start typing key combinations. 
Then try using Option-key+Shift combinations, or even Option-key+Command-key 
combinations.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:39 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi Esther,
> 
> I just checked and the locale was in fact set to Irish where option-u 
> presents the ú character.  Switching to British did indeed produce the 
> character as your archived post suggested.  It’s interesting as this is one 
> of the first differences between the two keyboards that I’ve found. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
> I have the locale set to Ireland which might be making a difference.  On 14 
> Dec 2013, at 12:04, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dónal,
>> 
>> Roger is correct, for an English language input keyboard you should be able 
>> to type Option-key u, followed by the letter you want to be accented (e.g., 
>> a "u" if you want to type a "u" with an umlaut, or "ü"). Has this changed 
>> under Mavericks?  Or might you have a different input language keyboard 
>> selected?
>> 
>> See, for example, on of my archived posts on typing accented characters with 
>> the Option key:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg03788.html
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Roger,
>>> 
>>> That’s exactly what I thought, and thanks for confirming. However when I do 
>>> option-u, I get the ú character.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> On 14 Dec 2013, at 11:45, Roger Firman  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dónal,
>>>> 
>>>> I think it is something like:
>>>> Option-key u, followed by the vowel you require.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger.
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Re: Vowels with Umlauts

[Esther]

Hi Dónal,

Roger is correct, for an English language input keyboard you should be able to 
type Option-key u, followed by the letter you want to be accented (e.g., a "u" 
if you want to type a "u" with an umlaut, or "ü"). Has this changed under 
Mavericks?  Or might you have a different input language keyboard selected?

See, for example, on of my archived posts on typing accented characters with 
the Option key:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg03788.html

Cheers,

Esther


On Dec 14, 2013, at 1:49 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
wrote:

> Hi Roger,
> 
> That’s exactly what I thought, and thanks for confirming. However when I do 
> option-u, I get the ú character.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Dónal
> On 14 Dec 2013, at 11:45, Roger Firman  wrote:
> 
>> Dónal,
>> 
>> I think it is something like:
>> Option-key u, followed by the vowel you require.
>> 
>> Roger.
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Re: voicestream versus read 2 go

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Hello Ian,

I think your experience with Read2Go may depend on the model of iPhone you are 
using. I've found that Read2Go doesn't manage memory resources as well as some 
other apps, and the performance you get reflects the processor you are using 
for your device.  I don't experience the audio clipping you mention using my 
iPhone 5 in Read2Go, although I notice that if I stop reading and navigate away 
from the audio Daisy file, it is sluggish to restart.  I haven't been doing a 
lot of reading of audio DAISY books in this app, though. I think that your 
iPhone may be a 4S?

Voice Dream Reader recently added support for audio DAISY books.  Again, it may 
be more helpful to hear another user's comments on this, since I haven't made a 
lot of use of this feature yet.  However, I do find the interface of Voice 
Dream Reader generally more responsive.  It would probably be helpful for users 
to identify which model iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad they use with these apps 
when they report their experience.  There may also be some dependencies on the 
length of the book, and your settings.

Here's a recent (November 16, 2013) review of Voice Dream Reader that might 
help you:
• Voice Dream Reader, Truly a Dream App 
http://mosen.org/index.php/voice-dream-reader-truly-a-dream-app/

Hope that link doesn't wrap.

Cheers,

Esther 

On Dec 13, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Ian Harrison wrote:

>
> Dear listers,
> 
> I am sorry for coming in late to recent comments.
> Some time ago I gave up reading audio daisy books in read 2 go as for some 
> reason it was clipping parts of sentences fairly regularly. I have two 
> questions:
> 
> 1. Has anyone seen this behaviour improve in read 2 go?
> 
> 2. Does voice stream also read audio daisy, and if so, is there any problem 
> with clipping?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Ian
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Re: Explanation of the difference between a smart group and creating a new group

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Hello Eileen,
"Smart" groups, folders, playlists, etc. are items that are created using rules 
rather than by specifically selecting and/or adding items to them.  For 
mail-related items, the basic question comes down to whether you would ever 
want to access these items from your iOS device, because the "rules" are 
figured out on your computer.  This means that if I create a smart mailbox just 
for mail from certain individuals (where the "From" field matches specific 
names), I can access that mailbox from my Mac, but not from my iPhone or iPad.  
Similarly, if I create "smart" groups for my contacts, I won't be able to 
access the from the groups under the "Contacts" app on my iPhone, but I will be 
able to access groups that are simply created by selecting the individual 
members.

I think you can convert smart groups into regular groups by selecting all, and 
then creating a new group from your selection.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 

On Dec 12, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Eileen Misrahi wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> thanks Isaac. The subject line says it all. Is there an advantage in creating 
> a smart group or just creating a new group will be sufficient? Please advise. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Eileen
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Re: Removing Mac specific files from a USB memory stick

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Hello Paul,
So glad to hear that BlueHarvest Lite worked for you.  The Mac App Store Lite 
version is really new -- I think it only appeared two or three days ago.

I think this App Store link should work for any other interested users:
• BlueHarvest Lite ($13.99) by Ross Tulloch
https://itunes.apple.com/app/blueharvest-lite/id739483376?mt=12

The product web site that offers a separate purchase of a full version of the 
app, and also a downloadable free 30-day trial version of the app is:
http://www.zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/

Since the original question about Apple Double Format files was asked in 
connection with NAS storage devices, I'll just add the comment that BlueHarvest 
cannot remove the Apple Double folders that appear on NAS (Network Attached 
Storage) drives.  Please go to the web site and read their FAQs about the 
kinds of files Blue Harvest can deal with:
http://www.zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/frequently-asked-questions.html

They refer you back to the NAS vendor for solutions to hide such folders on 
devices that connect to Windows or Linux systems and do not use Mac hard drive 
formatting because those systems are not set up to allow your Mac to delete, 
change, or hide those folders.  This is something that your vendor would have 
to implement.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 12, 2013, at 8:20 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello Esther, 
> Many thanks for your help on this subject. I have installed the lite version 
> of BlueHarvest from the Mac OS App store. This differs from the full version 
> in that you have to add the devices you want it to clean into a table. That 
> gives me good control and suits me fine. So far it is working well. 
> 
> Many thanks again
> 
> Paul Hopewell
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Re: using iBook on IOS

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Hi Glenn,

Formatting of PDF eBooks can vary a lot.  However, if there is a table of 
contents, you may be able to use it to navigate. Once you have selected your 
book in your iBooks library and opened it, flick through the page controls that 
are at the top of the screen. Next to the "Library" button in the top left 
corner, you may flick right to a "Table of Contents" button. If there is a 
"Table of Contents" button, try double tapping it.  After you double tap it, 
you may have to flick further right through the top page controls and find 
button options for "grid view"', "list view", and "bookmarks view".  You'll 
want to select "list view" by double tapping that button.  If there is no "list 
view", which will be the case if a table of,contents that you can use to 
navigate the book wasn't created (for example, if you opened a PDF document 
that was just a letter or short report and stored it in your iBooks library), 
then flick left back to the "resume" button that will now be the button to
  the right of "Library" and double tap.

If there is a table of contents that you can use for navigation, once you are 
in "list view" display mode, you should be able to flick right from the top set 
of page control buttons to the active page area. You can also run your finger 
vertically down through the contents instead of flicking.  When you get to a 
chapter item that you want to read, double tap, and you may be automatically 
taken to that chapter and start your reading.

At a later time, if you need to go back to the table of contents to jump to a 
different section of the book, double tap the "Table of Contents" button that 
is just to the right of the "Library" button in the top left corner. You should 
still have list view configured if you have not exited the book and moved back 
to your library.

In some PDF books there are embedded links in the text. The text may say 
something like "we discuss this topic in chapter 4.3" or "on page 54", and the 
actual reference to chapter or page will contain links that will, if double 
tapped, jump you to that page or chapter section.

This is not usually the case, but it is may be a feature of some eBooks.  

You can also use the page chooser at the bottom of the screen, but it is likely 
that you'll have an easier time using the table of contents.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther



On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Glenn wrote:

> Hi Esther,
> Thanks, yes, there is a table of contents, I figured that it was just for 
> reading through, I didn't know I could navigate from there.
> I will try your other suggestions too.
> Thanks again.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Esther" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:26 PM
> Subject: Re: using iBook on IOS
> 
> 
> Hi Glenn,
> 
> I'll start with your last comment first (the part about where you're hoping 
> there is a better app than iBooks for reading PDFs).  My preferred app for 
> reading PDFs is Voice Dream Reader. But that's because I like the options 
> for keeping track of my reading position, voice selection (and language), 
> and preferred speech rate remembered and customized for each book or 
> document.  And I also like the Neospeech voice options, and I personally 
> found it very annoying that VoiceOver wouldn't read accented letters 
> correctly when reading PDFs in iBooks (although these were OK in ePub 
> versions) if I were reading in languages other than English which also used 
> accented characters (e.g., French).
> 
> However, many people who only read in English won't care about that last 
> point. Apart from that, all eBook reading apps are going to be better at 
> navigation and control of content if you are using ePub format rather than 
> PDF, but there are certainly some steps you can take to make things easier 
> for yourself.
> 
> iBooks can display books in either portrait or landscape orientation. For 
> any apps that can use either orientation, I prefer to lock my screen 
> orientation. If you are using iOS 7, bring up Control Center and there 
> should be a lock orientation button you can double tap.  Do you know whether 
> your PDF contains embedded links for its Table of Contents?   If so, there 
> may be an alternate way to navigate through the book, although this  is not 
> standard practice with VoiceOver. You can also use the search function to 
> position yourslef in a section of the book, although that will only take you 
> to the page that the searched phrase is on -- not the specific location on 
> the page.
> 
> Try locking your orientation.  If I use the page chooser, I'll tou

Re: using iBook on IOS

[Esther]

Hi Glenn,

I'll start with your last comment first (the part about where you're hoping 
there is a better app than iBooks for reading PDFs).  My preferred app for 
reading PDFs is Voice Dream Reader. But that's because I like the options for 
keeping track of my reading position, voice selection (and language), and 
preferred speech rate remembered and customized for each book or document.  And 
I also like the Neospeech voice options, and I personally found it very 
annoying that VoiceOver wouldn't read accented letters correctly when reading 
PDFs in iBooks (although these were OK in ePub versions) if I were reading in 
languages other than English which also used accented characters (e.g., French).

However, many people who only read in English won't care about that last point. 
Apart from that, all eBook reading apps are going to be better at navigation 
and control of content if you are using ePub format rather than PDF, but there 
are certainly some steps you can take to make things easier for yourself.

iBooks can display books in either portrait or landscape orientation. For any 
apps that can use either orientation, I prefer to lock my screen orientation. 
If you are using iOS 7, bring up Control Center and there should be a lock 
orientation button you can double tap.  Do you know whether your PDF contains 
embedded links for its Table of Contents?   If so, there may be an alternate 
way to navigate through the book, although this  is not standard practice with 
VoiceOver. You can also use the search function to position yourslef in a 
section of the book, although that will only take you to the page that the 
searched phrase is on -- not the specific location on the page.

Try locking your orientation.  If I use the page chooser, I'll touch the screen 
in the center and then do a two finger flick to start reading from the start of 
the page.

And you can always try VoiceDream Reader if you really can't get along in 
iBooks.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:36 PM, Glenn wrote:

> Hi,
> So far, I'm not having much fun reading a PDF eBook with the iBook app.
> I did put the voice rate into the rotor, and slowed it down for reading.
> But I swipe until I get to page selector, and it keeps putting me on a page 
> around the middle of the book.
> I did a two-finger flick up, and it started reading after I just got back to 
> page one, and when the screen orientation switched from portrait, it quit 
> reading, so I go down to the page selector at the bottom of the screen, and 
> it has me in the middle of the book again.
> THERE'S GOT TO BE AN EASIER WAY!
> If it wasn't a book well over 400 pages, I'd attempt it on a Braille 
> display, but I'm not a fast enough Braille reader.
> I'm hoping I'm just missing a command, or there is a better app for this.
> 
> Glenn 
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Re: Removing Mac specific files from a USB memory stick

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Hello Paul,

I never got around to finishing my draft post explaining about "Apple Double 
Format" files, which is one of the classes of Mac-specific files you refer to, 
when this was discussed on list a while ago.  The others are directory files 
(.DS_store, and files for Time Machine indexing and trash).

There is a commercial service that sells an app named BlueHarvest for cleaning 
up these kinds of files.  A single user license is $14.95 for 3 machines.  The 
product web site (including the ability to get a 30-day free trial download of 
the program) is:
http://zeroonetwenty.com/blueharvest/

You need to be running Lion or later.  There's also a command-line tool named 
"dot_clean" (without the quotation marks) that you can run from Terminal to get 
rid of file with names that start with "._" (without the quotation marks).  The 
GUI interface and options of BlueHarvest are probably easier to use and more 
comprehensive.

Here's the dot_clean man page linked from the Apple Developer's site, although 
you can also use the "man" command I Terminal on your Mac to display the 
information:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/dot_clean.1.html

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 

On Dec 11, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello, 
> I recall recently reading on this forum information about a Mac OS App which 
> deleted all those Mac OS specific files which Mac OS creates when you use it 
> to write data to a USB memory stick. If you then plug this memory stick into 
> a Windows computer you see several folders / files whose names begin with a 
> period. This is very confusing to Windows users so I would like an easy way 
> to get rid of these files. 
> 
> Can someone please remind me what App does this clean up and where I can get 
> it. 
> 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Paul Hopewell
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Re: ABBYY FineReader-Advice on Purchasing From The Website or App Store

[Esther]

Hi Anne, Eileen, and Others,

I believe that using the ABBYY web site lets you purchase via an upgrade price 
($80 vs. $100 for U.S. users) if you already have ABBYY FineReader Express. You 
can only get an upgrade price from the ABBYY web site, since the Mac App Store 
cannot handle different price rates or trials.  (This was all in my original 
post for this thread). I don't think there is a price advantage to using the 
ABBYY Web site to buy the software if this is a new purchase.  There are 
advantages and disadvantages to either option that you may want to weigh up.  
Sometimes, the Mac App Store versions will lack features that come in versions 
you purchase from a web site in order to comply with Apple's restrictions. For 
example, when people bought versions of DVDRemaster Pro (or 8) some time ago, 
if they purchased from the Mac App Store they had to go back to the web site to 
download the parts that let them record DRM-protected content, since the laws 
covering that vary internationally, that couldn't be included in the App Store. 
 Or when the MoveAddict had a special app had a special setup that was easier 
for VoiceOver users to use, you had to get that from the web site, too, if you 
bought from the Mac App Store, since that was a non-standard option.  (These 
are not programs you are likely to buy now, by the way.). On the other hand, 
it's easier to update purchases through the Mac App Store interface.  

As Mary stated, the main functional difference between the version currently 
sold through the ABBYY web site and the Mac App Store is that the web site 
version can run on Lion (Mac OS X 10.7) and above, while the Mac App Store 
version requires Mountain Lion or above.

The usual reasons for checking developer's web sites for software are: 1) to 
find trial versions, 2) to find alternate pricing, such as special sales, 
educational discounts, or upgrade pricing that are not available at the Mac App 
Store, and 3) to find support for older versions of software, where you can 
downgrade from your current license, if you wish to run on an older operating 
system.  That's not an option from the Mac App Store.

And by the way, although ABBYY does have special store web sites for 
instructors and students, with discount pricing on their software, this doesn't 
include ABBYY FinreReader Pro yet -- just the Express version.  I'm impressed 
that the labeling in Safari on an iPad under iOS 7 showed me these links, when 
they weren't available to VoiceOver running iOS 6.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 

On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:43 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> I purchased FineReader Pro from the website because it was considerably 
> cheaper than the Appstore, €65 instead of €89.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 11 Dec 2013, at 05:08, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eileen,
>> If you are using lion, you want the version of fine reader from ABByy. 
>> Otherwise, I see no reason to buy from one source or the other.
>> Mary
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Re: ABBYY FineReader Pro now available for the Mac

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Hi Deb,

Do you know whether it's possible to do multi-page scanning using ABBYY 
FineReader Pro with the Hovercam?  There was a discussion on this list earlier 
this year about scanning alternatives for large volume book reading 
requirements, such as in academic programs.  This started out with a simple 
question about software support for the EyePal after upgrading to Mountain 
Lion, and then changed to a general discussion of the effectiveness of 
different  solutions, given the difficulties finding good flatbed scanners with 
well-supported drivers for OCR on the Mac.  At the time, there had been a 
recent podcast demo of the HoverCam T5-V used with ABBYY FineReader Express at 
AppleVis:
• "Using the HoverCam T5-V Document > Scanner and ABBYY FineReader as a 
Scanning Solution on the Mac"
http://bit.ly/10jLC8v

One of the questions that came up was whether it was possible to use the 
HoverCam in multi-page scanning mode.  In the podcast demo, a way to do that 
clearly hadn't been figured out.  But one of the differences between the new 
Pro version of ABBYY FineReader from the earlier Express version used in the 
demo is its support for multi-page scanning action.  So I imagine there is some 
curiosity about how ABBYY FineReader Pro works with the HoverCam.  The price 
difference between the HoverCam model used in the podcast demo and the EyePal 
was about $300 vs something over 2,000 Euros (but maybe that's only in Europe, 
the UK, and Ireland?) 

Here's the link to Dónal's post from that earlier thread after listening to the 
podcast:
• Re: Digital camera systems for scanning [was Re: Mountain Lion and Eyepal]
http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg16660.html

By the way, a link to the public mail archive for this list appears at the 
bottom of each mailed post.  I just went to that linked URL:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net
Then I typed in the search terms "Hovercam ABBYY multi-page" (without the 
quotation marks) into the text box and hit return.  The first of the results is 
Dónal's post with the link I copied above.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 
 
On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Deb Lewis wrote:

> The Pro version is fine with the Hovercam. 
> I think the main pro of Docuscan is that the interface is the same in Windows 
> and the Mac. But if you’re comfortable with how the Mac natively presents 
> things, Fine Reader Pro is a great investment.
> I love DocuScan for reading PdF though. I bought it when there weren’t too 
> many good options for the Mac, and I love that you can just pop it open,hit a 
> menu option and read. but it’s a lot of money for a little bit of 
> convenience. 
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie wrote:
> 
>> Do you know if the hover cam works with fine reader pro?
>> 
>> I did google it, but all I can find is that it works with fine reader 
>> express.. but I might not be searching correctly or something like that.
>> 
>> Also, can anybody compare abby with docuscan?  I know the big difference is 
>> that with abby you do not need an internet connection, plus the price is 
>> certainly a lot more reasonable..
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Caitlyn
>> 
> 
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Re: unzip utility for the iPhone and iPad

[Esther]

Hi Danny,

Actually, Filer (which I still use and which Dane recommended) has the ability 
to zip compress files and folders in the app.  I'll give you the URL of both 
the regular and lite versions in case you're interested:
• Filer  ($3.99) by Dan Leehr L.L.C.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/filer/id318884764?mt=8
There's a free Lite version of Filer you can try, but you're limited to storing 
7 files in the app:
• Filer Lite (free) by Dan Leehr L.L.C.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/filer-lite/id350939597?mt=8

I still like the Filer app a lot, and my only concern is about whether the 
support is being kept current for iOS 7. You can try out the Filer Lite app, if 
you like. It's a universal app. For the files and folders in the Filer app, you 
can either play or display the files directly, or double tap on a "more info" 
button that gives more file details and also a button with the option to 
compress to zip.

If you want a general archive manager for iOS, then you might take a look at 
iUnarchive Lite:  
• iUnarchive Lite - Archive and File Manager with Support for Dropbox, Box, 
Skydrive, SugarSync, WebDAV, en FTP (free) by De Voorkant
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iunarchive-lite-archive-file/id380663019?mt=8

I've used this on occasion, but not recently.  Here's a link to an old review 
from 2011 (use the Safari Reader option):
• Manage All Your Archives with iUnarchive
http://theapplebites.com/manage-archives-iunarchive-review-give-away/

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 9, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Danny Noonan wrote:

> Downloads looks nice. I really like that it uncompresses arj files. What no 
> app does that I know of is making archives. I want to zip up selected files 
> to email or upload to drop box, import as an mp3 audio book into voice dream 
> etc. does anyone know of a Bo friendly app that can do this?
> 
> Thanks.  
> 
> 
> Danny. 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Dec 2013, at 9:24 am, Esther  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brenda,
>> 
>> I agree with David that you'd be better off sharing the files with your 
>> friend via Dropbox instead of mailing attachments.  It they only need to 
>> read the files and they have an app like Voice Dream Reader, then that app 
>> will allow them to read via TTS, remember their location, and also organize 
>> files into folders and subfolders, with direct transfer from Dropbox.
>> 
>> If they don't have an app like Voice Dream Reader, and you may be  
>> transferring any other types of files, where they may need to handle zipping 
>> or unzipping of files, support for folder and subfolder organization and 
>> renaming, and possibly playing a range of media or other sorts of files 
>> under this organization, then I would get Download Manager app that supports 
>> all these functions -- not just the downloading, folder and sub-folder 
>> organization, zipping and unzipping, but also the reading and/or playing of 
>> a variety of file types.
>> 
>> I'd be inclined to recommend trying the Downloads app in the free, lite 
>> version.  I myself have been using Filer by Dan Leehr LLC for downloads for 
>> quite a while, but since your friends are using new devices, I'd prefer to 
>> recommend an app that has had frequent recent updates for iOS 7.  My only 
>> reservation is that there are separate versions for iPhone or iPod Touch and 
>> iPad.  I've looked at a few other possible apps that are usable with 
>> VoiceOver, but this has the best help interface in terms of information and 
>> accessibility, especially for a new user.  You can try the free, lite 
>> versions, but I think they are limited to 7 downloads.  Filer is very good, 
>> but it hasn't been updated since half a year before iOS 7 was released, and 
>> I think Downloads may have better support for faster multiple downloads.
>> 
>> You friend would be better off opening the .doc files in Voice Dream Reader, 
>> if he or she has that app.  However, a good download manager app like 
>> Downloads or Filer will handle both playing (though not with all the Voice 
>> Dream Reader options) and folder organization, and make it easier to 
>> transfer files both through Dropbox or web interfaces, and by options for 
>> opening email attachments if you don't already have an appropriate app.
>> 
>> Here are the links to the Downloads app in the regular and lite versions. 
>> The lite version of the app is free, but limits you in the number of files 
>> that can be stored and downloaded. There are separate versions of Downloads 
>> (and Downloads Lite) for the iPhone and iPad.
>> • Downloads - Downloader & Download Manger ($1.99) by Hian Zin Jong
>

Re: unzip utility for the iPhone and iPad

[Esther]

Hi Brenda,

Correction on price: both the iPhone and iPad versions of the Downloads app are 
$2.99 regular price, and I've corrected that below.

Here's a link to the AppleVis review of the Lite version for the iPhone.  There 
are more features now, since the current version is 4.3.1 and the reviewed 
version is 3.1.5:
• AppleVis entry for Downloads Lite - Downloader & Download Manager:
http://www.applevis.com/apps/ios/productivity/downloads-lite-downloader-download-manager

Dane's correct that any VoiceOver user who got a download app between 2009 and 
mid-2011 is likely to have gotten Filer. Although I haven't experienced any 
problems with Filer, I note a few reviewers comments from people who have had 
occasional instability under iOS 7.  They seem to be of the "most of the time 
it continues to work great" category. I do know of other downloading apps, and 
maybe someone else has a better suggestion, keeping in mind that these 
recommendations are for new users, so good help instructions and a clean user 
interface are likely to be important.

> Here are the links to the Downloads app in the regular and lite versions. The 
> lite version of the app is free, but limits you in the number of files that 
> can be stored and downloaded. There are separate versions of Downloads (and 
> Downloads Lite) for the iPhone and iPad.
> • Downloads - Downloader & Download Manger ($2.99) by Hian Zin Jong
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downloads-downloader-download/id343307433?mt=8
> • Downloads Lite - Downloader & Download Manger (free) by Hian Zin Jong
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downloads-lite-downloader/id349275540?mt=8
> 
> And for the iPad:
> • Downloads for iPad - Download Manager ($2.99) by Hian Zin Jong
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downloads-for-ipad-download/id380641055?mt=8
> • Downloads Lite for iPad - Download Manager (free) by Hian Zin Jong
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downloads-lite-for-ipad-download/id383846063?mt=8

Cheers,

Esther 
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Re: unzip utility for the iPhone and iPad

[Esther]

Hi Brenda,

I agree with David that you'd be better off sharing the files with your friend 
via Dropbox instead of mailing attachments.  It they only need to read the 
files and they have an app like Voice Dream Reader, then that app will allow 
them to read via TTS, remember their location, and also organize files into 
folders and subfolders, with direct transfer from Dropbox.

If they don't have an app like Voice Dream Reader, and you may be  transferring 
any other types of files, where they may need to handle zipping or unzipping of 
files, support for folder and subfolder organization and renaming, and possibly 
playing a range of media or other sorts of files under this organization, then 
I would get Download Manager app that supports all these functions -- not just 
the downloading, folder and sub-folder organization, zipping and unzipping, but 
also the reading and/or playing of a variety of file types.

I'd be inclined to recommend trying the Downloads app in the free, lite 
version.  I myself have been using Filer by Dan Leehr LLC for downloads for 
quite a while, but since your friends are using new devices, I'd prefer to 
recommend an app that has had frequent recent updates for iOS 7.  My only 
reservation is that there are separate versions for iPhone or iPod Touch and 
iPad.  I've looked at a few other possible apps that are usable with VoiceOver, 
but this has the best help interface in terms of information and accessibility, 
especially for a new user.  You can try the free, lite versions, but I think 
they are limited to 7 downloads.  Filer is very good, but it hasn't been 
updated since half a year before iOS 7 was released, and I think Downloads may 
have better support for faster multiple downloads.

You friend would be better off opening the .doc files in Voice Dream Reader, if 
he or she has that app.  However, a good download manager app like Downloads or 
Filer will handle both playing (though not with all the Voice Dream Reader 
options) and folder organization, and make it easier to transfer files both 
through Dropbox or web interfaces, and by options for opening email attachments 
if you don't already have an appropriate app.

Here are the links to the Downloads app in the regular and lite versions. The 
lite version of the app is free, but limits you in the number of files that can 
be stored and downloaded. There are separate versions of Downloads (and 
Downloads Lite) for the iPhone and iPad.
• Downloads - Downloader & Download Manger ($1.99) by Hian Zin Jong
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downloads-downloader-download/id343307433?mt=8
• Downloads Lite - Downloader & Download Manger (free) by Hian Zin Jong
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downloads-lite-downloader/id349275540?mt=8

And for the iPad:
• Downloads for iPad - Download Manager ($2.99) by Hian Zin Jong
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downloads-for-ipad-download/id380641055?mt=8
• Downloads Lite for iPad - Download Manager (free) by Hian Zin Jong
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/downloads-lite-for-ipad-download/id383846063?mt=8

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Dec 8, 2013, at 1:53 PM, "David Griffith" wrote:

> I would suggest that the method you are using is inefficient in the long
> run.
> 
> I suggest a different approach.
> 
> 1. Install DropBox on your Mac or PC.
> 2. Create a folder in your DropBox to share with your friend.
> 3. Send an invitation to your friend to share a folder on DropBox. If you
> are using a Mac it might be easiest doing this from the DropBox website.
> There is an unlabelled  edit field  on the dropbox web share folder
> invitation page. Enter your friend's email address into this field. From
> memory it is the penultimate field. You could either use trial and error to
> find the right field or use sighted help for this one off task.
> 4. Your friend needs to install DropBox onto their iPhone.
> 5. When they receive an email inviting  to share a folder they need to click
> the link which says yes.
> 6. Now all you need to do to send files to your friend is copy them into the
> shared dropbox folder on your Mac or Pc. You can have as many sub folders as
> you like.
> 7. If they are Word files they will need to install something like pages to
> edit them but VoiceDream TTS will read them fine.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 08 December 2013 15:44
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: unzip utility for the iPhone and iPad
> 
> Hello y'all,
> 
>Is there an unzip utility for the iPhone and iPad?
> 
>Another question is this. We are trying to send an attachment to 
> someone's iPhone and an iPad. The attachment is zipped and when it opens, it
> 
> has lots 

Re: opening attachments on your iDevices

[Esther]

Hi Brenda,

I usually just double tap on the attachment, and check whether there is an 
application that can handle the attachment via an "Open In" dialog.  For 
example, I can just view attached PDF files or choose to save them to iBooks by 
selecting "Open in iBooks".  Your options depend on what apps you have on your 
device and whether they can handle the formats you are passing over.  For  that 
reason, it's difficult to give you a more detailed answer without knowing what 
kinds of files you are transferring. If they have applications that can handle 
the format and structure you have attached, and which also support the "open 
in" feature (which depends on the application and the nature of the files), 
then it's easy to handle.  It took nearly two years after the initial release 
before Read2Go supported my request for DAISY files that were sent as 
attachments or downloads to "open in" their app.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther 

On Dec 8, 2013, at 5:52 AM, "meadowlark77"  wrote:

> How do we open attachments and save them on your iPhone or iPad or iPod?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Brenda
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Re: unzip utility for the iPhone and iPad

[Esther]

Hi Brenda,

Yes, there are apps that will zip and unzip files on iOS devices. But you don't 
mention what type of files you are trying to send as attachments, or what the 
user ultimately needs to do with these files.  Although there is insufficient 
information in your question, my guess would be that instead of an app that can 
zip or unzip files, you'd be better off finding an app that works as a download 
manager and downloader.  These apps usually have the ability to open a wide 
variety of attachments or files transferred via Dropbox or from web sites and 
also zip and unzip files. They often allow you to organize the files in folders 
or rename and move them within the app.  Very often they will support playing 
and bookmarking of media files - even formats that cannot be played when the 
attachments are opened in Dropbox. It's hard to be more specific with 
suggestions without knowing what sorts of files you want to transfer.  Are 
there apps that they have that already capable of supporting
  reading/playing the folders with the file structures you are sending?  It 
sounds as though you're trying to pass across file content without knowledge of 
what apps at the final destination will be used and how they can handle the 
files.

Does the app have to support both iPhone and iPad? (There are some very good 
download manager programs that have separate versions for iPhone and iPad). Are 
these devices running iOS 7?

I'd experiment with a small, structured attachment file first, or else try 
transferring content from a Dropbox account.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Dec 8, 2013, at 5:43 AM, "meadowlark77"  wrote:

> Hello y'all,
> 
>Is there an unzip utility for the iPhone and iPad?
> 
>Another question is this. We are trying to send an attachment to 
> someone's iPhone and an iPad. The attachment is zipped and when it opens, it 
> has lots of folders on it. Not only does it have folders on it, but it has 
> many sublevels. Can these two iDevices handle that kind of thing? I don't 
> believe these people have computers and the iDevices are their only way of 
> communications via E-Mail and the like.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net 
> 
> 

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Re: Podcasts and the latest itunes update.

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Hi Jim,

I'm not running either Mavericks or iTunes 11, so probably someone else should 
answer your question.  However, one suggestion is to use Command-Shift-R on the 
selected podcasts.  Since that command shows you where your selected item is in 
a Finder window, that might be one way to determine the name.  

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Dec 8, 2013, at 2:29 AM, Jim Noseworthy  wrote:

> Hi Gang:
> 
> Using Mavericks: I am unable to read the names of downloaded podcasts now.  
> Is there a way to resolve this issue?
> 
> Thanks all over the place gang.
> 
> 
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Re: GigBabyFree

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Hi Chris,

If you want to return to the metronome beat in the GigBabyFree! app I would 
just select "Count in 4/4" on the Rhythms tab.  

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 7, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Chris Goodwin wrote:

> Hi Esther,
> 
> Thanks for the app GigBabyFree.  It might well be fun to train along to the 
> drum beat rather than just a metronome.  I prefer metronomes rather than 
> tunes as I like to be precise about the tempo.
> 
> How though can I remove the selected rhythm and return back to a plain 
> metronome?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris 
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Re: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade

[Esther]

Sorry, left out the link to the MacWorld article on upgrading to iOS 7:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2048720/how-to-upgrade-to-ios-7.html

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 7, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> Glenn is correct that major system updates in iOS can take quite a while to 
> complete.  However, it is always a good idea to backup your iOS device or Mac 
> computer before doing major upgrades. 
> 
> Here's a link to a MacWorld article on how to upgrade to iOS 7.  You can use 
> the Safari Reader option.  
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Re: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade

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Hi Chris,

Glenn is correct that major system updates in iOS can take quite a while to 
complete.  However, it is always a good idea to backup your iOS device or Mac 
computer before doing major upgrades. 

Here's a link to a MacWorld article on how to upgrade to iOS 7.  You can use 
the Safari Reader option.  There are links in the article to separate sections 
describing how to make backups using either with iTunes or through the Cloud if 
you have an iCloud account and have set up backups under the Settings menu for 
your phone.  There is also an advisory to make sure your battery has sufficient 
charge, or you are connected to a power source, so that you do not run out of 
power during the update process, which can take time, depending on whether you 
are doing the backup over the air or through iTunes on your computer.  They 
also warn you not to turn your phone off before your backup completes, so you 
do not lose information in the middle of the process.

Finally, if you want to learn more about using iTunes with JAWS, in order to 
better work with your iPhone, I'll point you to these two Freedom Scientific 
FSCast podcasts:
• Part one of the two-part demonstration of using Apple's iTunes® 11 with JAWS® 
14 screen reading software.
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast073-December2012.mp3
• Part two of the two-part demonstration of using Apple's iTunes® 11 with JAWS® 
14 screen reading software.
http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast074-January2013.mp3

One advantage of using iTunes on your computer for backing up your iPhone is 
that you can keep accessible versions of apps, or apps that may no longer be 
available for sale in the App Store (but which still work) on your phone.  I 
don't automatically update my iOS apps because I like to ensure that the 
versions I use continue to work well with VoiceOver.  When you use Cloud 
backups, you always get the latest version of an app that is available from the 
app store, which is not necessarily still accessible.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther


On Dec 7, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Glenn wrote:

> Chris,
> I wonder if you worried too soon.
> I think that major updates can take quite a while to complete.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chris Goodwin" 
> To: "MacAccessList" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 3:01 PM
> Subject: A cautionary tale of an ios upgrade
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I went to upgrade my iPhone 4S from (I guess) ios6 to ios7.0.4 on Wednesday 
> evening this week.  I'd seen the option there for several months but had 
> held back as being mostly used to Microsoft that I should hold back from the 
> first version of a new release.
> 
> Well, I started the upgrade via my wi-fi and after a short time the phone 
> restarted itself.  Or rather, it went to a screen with the apple logo on and 
> something like a signpost underneath.  And it sat there.  After 20 mins I 
> tried to shut it off which didn't work.  Had to do a hard reset with top 
> button and home key at the same time.  All attempts to switch the phone back 
> on gave the same screen which then went blank after about 20 seconds.
> 
> Basically, my phone wasn't working.
> 
> A google told me I had to restore my phone.  So I started iTunes and 
> connected my phone to my Windows laptop.  iTunes detected a phone that 
> needed restoring but Jaws couldn't locate any button I was expecting to see 
> labelled "Restore".  My sighted wife was able to see it though and started 
> the process.  Alas, iTunes eventually returned with a message saying "This 
> phone could not be restored".
> 
> Fortunately I live in a city which has an Apple store.  I trotted off to the 
> shop and they were very helpful and went through the restore process.  In 
> less than 10 minutes my phone was up and running again and the assistant did 
> things like log me back into iCloud and set up my phone to back up to 
> iCloud.  Unfortunatley, it hadn't been backing up before and all my data was 
> lost.  This in practice meant my contacts, and settings within apps, and the 
> photos I had on the phone at the time.  The assistant downloaded all my apps 
> for me though as there was a "download all" function.
> 
> the reason the assistant thought her restore worked was that at the shop, 
> the firmware was also updated and not just the ios.
> 
> I had to return another day with my old Nokia phone so they could transfer 
> all my contacts again.
> 
> I've spent a fairly jolly couple of days now re-organising all my apps and 
> running each of them and setting up various configurations and favourites. 
> Still some way to go on this.
> 
> I don't use my iPhone for music so had never plugged it into iTunes 

Re: jaw bone updater not deleting

[Esther]

Hi Doug,

Another thought to add to Sarah's suggestion: you might want to check whether 
your Jawbone headset still shows up as one of the devices in System Preferences 
> Bluetooth and delete it from the table.  I think that the device will no 
longer appear as an output device under the System Preferences  sound 
preferences pane, too. So I would both check the Activity Monitor utility to 
kill the process, and make sure that the headset is deleted from your Bluetooth 
devices, since you no longer have it.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> Have yu checked the activity monitor to see if the jawbone  update process is 
> running? Just something to check first. if so force quit it with cmd option q 
> or click force quit in the tool bar, then try and remove the app again.
> On Dec 7, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Rudolph, Douglas wrote:
> 
>> hey guys. this is a very strange situation for me. I no longer have a jaw 
>> bone bt headset so i am wanting to get rid of the jaw bone updater 
>> application on the computer. every time i try deleting from the applications 
>> folder, it tells me that i can’t delete it because its running. I have 
>> removed all files for it from the library, and still no go. how do i delete 
>> it or trick mac into thinking its not running so that i can delete it. its 
>> on a mid 2012 mba on mavrix 
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Re: mavricks

[Esther]

Hello Linda,

Do you use Finder in column view?  You might want to change to list view 
(Command-2) to avoid the Finder busy announcements in Mavericks,

Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 7, 2013, at 7:12 AM, "Linda C. Knight" wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I finally upgraded the mac to Mavricks. Thus far, it seems to be running
> smoothly. 
> 
> 
> 
> One thing I knotice is when it starts up, it says finder and desktop and
> twice which is the norm as I have dropbox. But then it says finder busy
> finder ready. Do any of you get this and if so, is there a remedy? 
> 
> 
> 
> Do I need to make any changes say in preferences?
> 
> 
> 
> Any tips would be greatly appreciated, otherwise, I find it seems to be a
> smooth ride.
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