Re: [MlMt] Disable saving sent mail altogether?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 12 Jan 2016, at 5:46 AM EST, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 12 Jan 2016, at 3:48, Sam H. wrote:

I Bcc all mail to myself, so saving sent mail in addition to that is 
superfluous.


Why do you prefer to use Bcc?


Not a great reason, but I prefer Bcc because I’ve always done it this 
way. I’ll look into doing it the “MailMate way” as described in 
the expert prefs.


Thanks for the great product!
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Re: [MlMt] Threads fully expanded by default?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 7 Jun 2016, at 8:27 AM EDT, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 2 Jun 2016, at 17:34, Sam Hathaway wrote:

Is there a way to tell MailMate to keep threads expanded unless I 
explicitly collapse one?


Sorry, there is currently no way to do that.


Thanks for letting me know!
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[MlMt] Feature request: "First of Thread"

[Sam Hathaway]

Hi all,

I use the “Root of Thread” command to jump to the first message in a 
thread so i can collapse it and then save it somewhere. But if the root 
of the thread is already in another folder, this command actually 
changes the view to filter all messages by thread, which isn’t quite 
what I want. Instead, what I really want is a command that will 
highlight the first message in the current thread that’s already 
visible in the current view. Is this possible now? If not, can it be 
added? Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Controlling where sent messages that are NOT replies get saved

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On 31 Jan 2016, at 3:21 AM EST, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 30 Jan 2016, at 17:50, Sam Hathaway wrote:


My remaining problem is:

* When I compose a new message and send it, the sent message gets 
saved to my “Sent” folder.


* I tried to fix this by giving each account’s INBOX the Mailbox 
Type “Sent Messages”. But when I do that, MailMate forces the 
message list for each INBOX to show the “To” column, and I 
can’t uncheck that column.


I don't really know if setting the INBOX to be “Sent Messages” 
works, but you can get rid of the To column by changing which column 
is the Outline column (the column with the triangles when threading).


Benny,

Thanks for your prompt response as always!

I just tried this, and it doesn’t seem to work. It looks like if a 
mailbox is set to “Sent Messages” mode, it reverts to a different 
sent-messages column setup any time I select it.


--> Steps to replicate:
1. Set INBOX as Mailbox Type “Sent Messages”.
2. Enable the “From” column.
3. Set the Outline Column to “From”.
4. Disable the “To” column.
5. Switch to another mailbox.
6. Switch back to the INBOX.
--> Expected Result:
“From” column is shown and is the Outline Column; “To” column is 
not shown.

--> Actual Result:
“From” column is not shown; “To” column is shown and is the 
Outline Column.


I guess this is the proper solution to this problem, but in theory 
MailMate does not currently support assigning multiple types to a 
single IMAP mailbox. The INBOX is kind of a special case though and it 
seems to kind of work for you.


I think for now I’m going to set up a rule for the “Sent” folder 
of each account to move any messages that end up there into the INBOX of 
the corresponding account. This doesn’t seem elegant to me, but it 
gets the job done.


* I also considered using MmSentMailbox, but that appears to be a 
global setting (not a per-account setting) and I need sent messages 
to go to the inbox of the account they were sent from.


This setting only controls which messages are shown by the universal 
Sent Messages mailbox. For example, you could create a smart mailbox 
which only contains emails sent from you and then use that as 
`MmSentMailbox`.


Ah, OK, thanks for the clarification. I’ll do that.
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[MlMt] Controlling where sent messages that are NOT replies get saved

[Sam Hathaway]

Maybe I’m just being dense, but I still have a gap in my understanding 
about how to keep sent mail out of the “Sent” mailbox. Please bear 
with me.


Here’s what I know:

* Setting MmMoveSentRepliesToMailboxOfRepliedMessage to TRUE takes care 
of making sure that if I reply to a message in “Folder A”, the reply 
gets saved to “Folder A” as well.


* Setting MmAddressCompletionMailbox to the UUID of a smart mailbox I 
created that contains all messages “From” any of my email addresses 
takes of making completions work.


My remaining problem is:

* When I compose a new message and send it, the sent message gets saved 
to my “Sent” folder.


* I tried to fix this by giving each account’s INBOX the Mailbox Type 
“Sent Messages”. But when I do that, MailMate forces the message 
list for each INBOX to show the “To” column, and I can’t uncheck 
that column.


* I also considered using MmSentMailbox, but that appears to be a global 
setting (not a per-account setting) and I need sent messages to go to 
the inbox of the account they were sent from.


So my question is:

* How can I make MailMate save sent messages that are NOT replies in the 
INBOX of the account they were sent from, without forcing the INBOX to 
have a “To” column?


Thanks!
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Re: [MlMt] external references - whitelist domains?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 22 Jan 2016, at 3:58 PM EST, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Jan 2016, at 21:17, Sam Hathaway wrote:

When I was using Thunderbird, I could whitelist certain domains, so 
that external references from those domains would be automatically 
loaded. Is this possible in MailMate?


Image blocking is configured in the Security preferences pane. If you 
create a smart mailbox based on the Inbox then you could add 
conditions excluding the “safe” domains. Then use this mailbox for 
the first setting in the Security preferences pane.


I want to block/allow external images based on the domain of the image 
URL (since email sender domains are easily spoofed). Can I do that 
somehow?


In other words, if an email (from anyone) contains IMG tags referencing 
http://good.tld/foo.png and http://bad.tld/bar.png, is there a way I can 
instruct MailMate to load foo.png and block bar.png?


Thanks!
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[MlMt] external references - whitelist domains?

[Sam Hathaway]

Hello!

When I was using Thunderbird, I could whitelist certain domains, so that 
external references from those domains would be automatically loaded. Is 
this possible in MailMate?

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Re: [MlMt] external references - whitelist domains?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 23 Jan 2016, at 4:38 AM EST, Billy Youdelman wrote:


On 23 Jan 2016, at 0:17, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Jan 2016, at 22:02, Sam Hathaway wrote:

In other words, if an email (from anyone) contains IMG tags 
referencing http://good.tld/foo.png and http://bad.tld/bar.png, is 
there a way I can instruct MailMate to load foo.png and block 
bar.png?


No, there is currently no way to do that, but I'll give it some 
thought.


If you use a firewall like https://obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/ you 
will be queried for each host, and can easily deny whatever you 
prefer.


Oh, I had forgotten all about Little Snitch. Thanks for the reminder! 
That would indeed be a workable solution for this.

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Re: [MlMt] external references - whitelist domains?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 23 Jan 2016, at 2:17 AM EST, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 22 Jan 2016, at 22:02, Sam Hathaway wrote:

In other words, if an email (from anyone) contains IMG tags 
referencing http://good.tld/foo.png and http://bad.tld/bar.png, is 
there a way I can instruct MailMate to load foo.png and block 
bar.png?


No, there is currently no way to do that, but I'll give it some 
thought.


Thanks! Keep up the good work.
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[MlMt] Can I change the arrow glyph in the Correspondents column?

[Sam Hathaway]

Messages I send have a right-facing arrow glyph in the Correspondents 
column. To me, it looks too large and dark compared to the surrounding 
text. Can I tell MailMate to use a glyph that I find more aesthetically 
pleasing?

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Re: [MlMt] mailmate on the dock

[Sam Hathaway]

On 15 Aug 2016, at 9:40 AM EDT, Robert Brenstein wrote:


On 13.08.2016 at 15:55 Uhr +0200 Benny Kjær Nielsen apparently wrote:

On 11 Aug 2016, at 17:32, Robert Brenstein wrote:

I just upgraded from build 6047 to 6048 and MM did a strange thing 
-- it left the old icon on the dock and added a new icon. Only the 
new icon had counts (see attachment). I removed the old icon 
manually, but apparently the second icon was only a temp thingy as 
it went away from the dock after I quit MM.


Anyone else noticed that?


I've seen this myself on very rare occasions. I'm not really sure 
what triggers it and it's tricky to debug. (I'm not even sure it's a 
MailMate only issue.)


--
Benny


I haven't seen it in any other in-program upgrade so far and most 
programs use that mechanism nowadays. At first glance, it looks like 
the script that does the upgrade failed to remove the old icon from 
the dock. If that happens only rarely, it could be a timing issue.



This happens with some Firefox upgrades as well. It’s certainly not 
MailMate-specific.

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Re: [MlMt] Domain whitelist for remote content, revisited

[Sam Hathaway]

On 23 Feb 2017, at 11:48 PM PST, Jan Erik Moström wrote:


On 23 Feb 2017, at 19:11, Sam Hathaway wrote:


- I'd like to see some of these images.
- Hm, do I click "Load Once"? I have no idea how many questions 
Little Snitch will make me answer.

- OK, let's do it!
- [Answer like a dozen allow/deny questions]
- Damn, I guessed wrong and denied a domain that had an image I 
needed.

- [Go to Little Snitch preferences and change settings]


Hmmm, here I would (and do) click "forever" and select allow/deny for 
the various domains. In the beginning Little Snitch will ask a lot but 
after a while most of the links already have a rule. Alternatively you 
open LS and define a rule that blocks most stuff and the add some 
exceptions to that rule (I think that works).


Yes, I was clicking "forever" as well, but didn't have the patience to 
get past that initial period where there were many new domains to 
classify.

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Re: [MlMt] Domain whitelist for remote content, revisited

[Sam Hathaway]

On 23 Feb 2017, at 11:50 PM PST, Jan Erik Moström wrote:


On 24 Feb 2017, at 8:50, Sam Hathaway wrote:

Yes, I was clicking "forever" as well, but didn't have the patience 
to get past that initial period where there were many new domains to 
classify.


OK (when I was using Mail this was how I handled this)


I guess I was spoiled by Thunderbird! :)
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[MlMt] Domain whitelist for remote content, revisited

[Sam Hathaway]

Hi MailMate Users,

A while ago I posted asking if there was a way to tell MailMate to load 
remote content only from specific domains. The rationale here is that, 
since sender addresses can be easily spoofed, allowing remote content 
loading based on sender address is not really effective at preventing 
tracking. By allowing loads by source domain, we can effectively control 
where potential tracking data ends up. (This is one of the few features 
I miss from Thunderbird.)


Folks suggested that I try using Little Snitch to do this, and so I did. 
Turns out, Little Snitch is too intrusive when used this way, as it asks 
about each domain in turn, and I have to allow or deny each one. (And 
there are *lots* of domains referenced in your average HTML email!)


Thunderbird, in the other hand, uses a popup menu which lists each 
domain and allows the user to select which they would like to allow 
content from.


Screenshot here:
https://support.mozilla.org/legacyfs/online/sumo-media/gallery/images/2016-06-25-09-51-48-ba4a40.png

Docs here:
https://support.mozilla.org/t5/Privacy-and-security-settings/Remote-Content-in-Messages/ta-p/21655

So I guess this boils down to a feature request. How about it, Benny?
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Re: [MlMt] Domain whitelist for remote content, revisited

[Sam Hathaway]

On 23 Feb 2017, at 6:31 AM PST, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

But it's still the same number of domains. If I understand correctly, 
you're just not forced to make a decision about every one of them.


Yes, that's right. With Little Snitch, the workflow is:

- I'd like to see some of these images.
- Hm, do I click "Load Once"? I have no idea how many questions Little 
Snitch will make me answer.

- OK, let's do it!
- [Answer like a dozen allow/deny questions]
- Damn, I guessed wrong and denied a domain that had an image I needed.
- [Go to Little Snitch preferences and change settings]

With Thunderbird, it went like this:

- I'd like to see some of these images.
- Let's look at the list of domains…
- Oh, these couple domains look like they probably have the images I 
like. [click, click]

- No? Let's try this other one. [click]
- OK! Good enough.

I've always wanted the image-blocking feature to also allow the user 
to see exactly what was blocked. If some kind of popup menu is 
implemented then it wouldn't be far from an implementation similar to 
Thunderbird.


That would be fantastic.


No promises though.


Of course. Thanks for considering it!
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Re: [MlMt] gnupg2 via Homebrew = MISSING_COMMAND

[Sam Hathaway]

Thanks, Andrew!
-sam

On 10 Feb 2017, at 12:24 PM EST, catesand...@gmail.com wrote:


Sam,

I too am using `gnupg2` through homebrew along with `pinentry-mac`. 
Works great with MailMate for me. When you installed the osx gpg suite 
did you uncheck the mail plugin as well as uncheck the core gpg tools 
(first and last checkboxes)? You don’t want that if you’re using 
homebrew’s version. Also this is the contents of my 
`gpg-agent.conf`. I didn’t do any manual linking. I think you need 
to uninstall the core gpg tools from the gpg suite and update your 
gpg-agent file to poing to pinentry-mac.


```
❯ cat ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
use-standard-socket
pinentry-program /usr/local/bin/pinentry-mac
default-cache-ttl 600
max-cache-ttl 7200
```

On 10 Feb 2017, at 7:52, Sam Hathaway wrote:

Update: Creating a symlink does not work; the error from MailMate is 
the same.


/usr/local/MacGPG2/bin/gpg2 -> ../../bin/gpg2
/usr/local/bin/gpg2 -> ../Cellar/gnupg2/2.0.30_3/bin/gpg2
/usr/local/Cellar/gnupg2/2.0.30_3/bin/gpg2

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[MlMt] gnupg2 via Homebrew = MISSING_COMMAND

[Sam Hathaway]

Hello MailMaters,

I have the gnupg2 package installed via Homebrew.

As noted here , I installed 
pinentry-mac and added "pinentry-program /usr/local/bin/pinentry-mac" to 
my ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf file.


Alas, when I try to send a signed or encrypted message, MailMate says:

MISSING_COMMAND (/usr/local/MacGPG2/bin/gpg2)

Can I convince MailMate to look for gpg2 in /usr/local/bin (or search my 
$PATH)?


Or do I have to create a symlink in the (currently-nonexistent) 
/usr/local/MacGPG2/bin directory?


Thanks!
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Re: [MlMt] gnupg2 via Homebrew = MISSING_COMMAND

[Sam Hathaway]

Update: Creating a symlink does not work; the error from MailMate is the 
same.


/usr/local/MacGPG2/bin/gpg2 -> ../../bin/gpg2
/usr/local/bin/gpg2 -> ../Cellar/gnupg2/2.0.30_3/bin/gpg2
/usr/local/Cellar/gnupg2/2.0.30_3/bin/gpg2

Things work fine at the command line when I call GPG as 
/usr/local/MacGPG2/bin/gpg2.

-sam

On 10 Feb 2017, at 10:37 AM EST, Sam Hathaway wrote:


Hello MailMaters,

I have the gnupg2 package installed via Homebrew.

As noted here <https://manual.mailmate-app.com/preferences>, I 
installed pinentry-mac and added "pinentry-program 
/usr/local/bin/pinentry-mac" to my ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf file.


Alas, when I try to send a signed or encrypted message, MailMate says:

MISSING_COMMAND (/usr/local/MacGPG2/bin/gpg2)

Can I convince MailMate to look for gpg2 in /usr/local/bin (or search 
my $PATH)?


Or do I have to create a symlink in the (currently-nonexistent) 
/usr/local/MacGPG2/bin directory?


Thanks!
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate "remembers" to send HTML to certain recipients... help it forget!

[Sam Hathaway]

On 4 Oct 2016, at 10:21 AM CDT, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 3 Oct 2016, at 23:53, Sam Hathaway wrote:

Yes! Thank you, that was it. I didn’t expect that having an HTML 
alternative for a signature would force messages into HTML mode when 
they otherwise wouldn’t be.


When users need an HTML signature it's usually because company policy 
requires it to be used for all outgoing emails. I had not considered 
that anyone would expect it to only be included for emails using HTML 
for other reasons (I know you are not requesting this behavior).


If you’re interested in UX suggestions for this feature, see attached.

By the way, a bug in the signature editor meant that just disabling 
the HTML signature (and not clearing the text field) did not actually 
disable it. This is fixed in the latest test release.


Thanks as always for your prompt responses and quick fixes!
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[MlMt] How to disable HTML parts altogether?

[Sam Hathaway]

Hello MailMate experts,

I don’t like sending HTML emails. What combination of knobs and 
switches will turn HTML off altogether, even when I’m forwarding or 
replying to an HTML-formatted message?


Thanks in advance!
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Re: [MlMt] How to disable HTML parts altogether?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 21 Sep 2016, at 2:51 PM CDT, Sam Hathaway wrote:

I don’t like sending HTML emails. What combination of knobs and 
switches will turn HTML off altogether, even when I’m forwarding or 
replying to an HTML-formatted message?


Sorry, forgot to mention, my environment is:
- MailMate 1.9.5 (5263)
- macOS 10.11.6 (15G1004)
- MacBook Pro (Retina, Mid 2012)
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[MlMt] MailMate "remembers" to send HTML to certain recipients... help it forget!

[Sam Hathaway]

Hi,

I think this has been covered before, but I can’t seem to find it in 
the archives. I have configured MailMate to never send HTML. That is, I 
have the following settings in the Composer preferences:


Preview: Display [when generating HTML]
Replying/Forwarding HTML: [Never embed]
Embedding method: [Scoped Stylesheet]
[√] Warn before discarding HTML when editing
Rich Text (HTML): Markup syntax: [none]
Default theme is [Standard]
Styling method: [Inlining (recommended]
[ ] Generate HTML even if only for styling
Highlight code using [Nothing]
Math language: [None]

Still, when I reply to certain people, or even address new messages to 
these people, the preview pane pops up and the message is sent with an 
HTML part. It seems that if I (erroneously) sent someone an HTML message 
in the past, MailMate remembers this and insists on sending HTML in the 
future.


How can I make MailMate forget?
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate "remembers" to send HTML to certain recipients... help it forget!

[Sam Hathaway]

Yes! Thank you, that was it. I didn’t expect that having an HTML 
alternative for a signature would force messages into HTML mode when 
they otherwise wouldn’t be.

-sam

On 3 Oct 2016, at 4:50 PM CDT, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 3 Oct 2016, at 23:03, Sam Hathaway wrote:

Still, when I reply to certain people, or even address new messages 
to these people, the preview pane pops up and the message is sent 
with an HTML part. It seems that if I (erroneously) sent someone an 
HTML message in the past, MailMate remembers this and insists on 
sending HTML in the future.


This sounds like you might have 1 or more signatures with an HTML 
alternative configured. Could this be the case?


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Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate

[Sam Hathaway]

 Any sufficiently-motivated user could start an unofficial MailMate "tips n 
tricks" wiki. There are a variety of free wiki farms out there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_hosting_services

If I set one up, do you suppose there'd be interest? Would Benny be willing to 
link to it?
-sam

On January 11, 2017 9:56:28 PM EST, Ted Byfield  wrote:
>It could be, but I assume that Benny has his hands full (and would like
>
>time off). Resources like that can involve multiple layers of work 
>(writing, updating with releases, etc); and sometimes they're best done
>
>by users — for example, as a subreddit.
>
>Cheers,
>T
>
>On 11 Jan 2017, at 21:25, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:
>
>> On 11 Jan 2017, at 11:28, Ted Byfield wrote:
>>
>>> A Mailmate tips/tricks resource would very useful to fill the gap 
>>> between the manual (which should be very minimal) and this ~support 
>>> list (which is great but a noisy way to build practical knowledge).
>>>
>>> This isn't intended as a criticism of MM at all — on the contrary, 
>>> I'm just thinking about a resource that could help it to grow.
>>
>> Why can’t the manual have this as part of it?
>>
>> (BTW, I’ve got a months-old PR on the manual: 
>> https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual .)
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Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature

[Sam Hathaway]

On December 20, 2016 3:38:16 PM EST, Charlie Garrison 
 wrote:

> can you fix it so it handles proper sig markers?

But, "dash dash space" *is* the proper sig marker, right? As (I think) we 
covered earlier in this thread? Does MailMate fall down on "dash dash space"?
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Re: [MlMt] Triggering markdown with 'complimentary close' above signature

[Sam Hathaway]

On 12/21/2016 8:08 am, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:


In the end, I think mail mate is likely behaving as it should, and I
didn’t understand that the sig marker required a  after the
dashes.

Sorry for any confusion I have caused,


No worries! Thanks for the explanation.
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Re: [MlMt] Request to move 'QuickLook' and 'Save' buttons to left

[Sam Hathaway]

On 18 Aug 2017, at 6:23 PM EDT, Sherif Soliman wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017, at 07:17 AM, Sam Hathaway wrote:
>>
>> While you're at it, Benny, what about an option to move the attachments
>> to the top of the message? ;-)
>
> This one's already possible :)
>
> https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences
>
[snip]
>
> defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmShowAttachmentsFirst -bool YES

Thanks! That's great.
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Re: [MlMt] Request to move 'QuickLook' and 'Save' buttons to left

[Sam Hathaway]

On 18 Aug 2017, at 10:15 AM EDT, David Ledger wrote:

Would it be possible for the 'QuickLook' and 'Save' buttons on an 
attachment note to be moved to the left hand end of the line please? 
Unless I’m using a mouse scrolling them into view for an attachment 
with a long name and/or type is slow and fiddly. The buttons are far 
more often used than the details are relevant.


Obviously no hurry. Just next time you’re working in that area of 
code.


While you're at it, Benny, what about an option to move the attachments 
to the top of the message? ;-)

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Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Exchange server

[Sam Hathaway]

MailMate only works with Exchange if the Exchange server has IMAP and 
SMTP access enabled. It sounds like this Exchange server doesn't.


One alternative might be to use DavMail, which provides 
standards-compliant protocols in front of a proprietary Exchange server. 
http://davmail.sourceforge.net/


Good luck!
-sam

On 10 May 2017, at 11:21 AM EDT, Alain Israel wrote:

Mailmate works with Exchange, this is the configuraton I am using 
(except for the IMAP keywords). But I use port 993 (and 587 for SMTP).


Alain

On 10 May 2017, at 16:59, Robert Brenstein wrote:

I have been trying to connect to the new server of my client and kept 
failing. Today, I finally got a response from their support which 
states:


*IMAP does not work with our Exchange server as the ports in question 
are locked down on our firewall for security reasons.*
*The only way to connect to the Exchange server is by using the 
Exchange option in email clients and port 443.*


As far as I recall, MailMate does not support Exchange. Is there a 
trick or am I stuck using web browser to access their mails?


Robert




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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

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He just means to use the part before the @ sign as the username rather 
than using the whole email address.

-sam

On 16 May 2017, at 12:26 PM EDT, Richard Rettke wrote:


On 16 May 2017, at 11:12, Brian LaFreda brian.lafr...@me.com  wrote:


just don’t use the FQDN’d email address for username


Hmm? Color me ignorant. I don't understand the term **FQDN'd** email 
address. Please elucidate. I'm sure when you tell me I'll head slap 
myself.


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Re: [MlMt] "(No Correspondent)"

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On 5 Oct 2017, at 7:03, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> How big is this account in terms of the number of messages in the account?

Currently 42,389 messages.

> How quickly after a relaunch do you start to see this issue?

I’ll let you know. So far so good after relaunching at 7pm yesterday.
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Re: [MlMt] RSVP/respond to ical/.ics calendar invite?

[Sam Hathaway]

Jonas,

Thanks for your question. I had been meaning to research this for a 
while and hadn’t gotten around to it until now.


Like most things related to iCalendar and CalDAV, it’s super hard to 
find information on event replies. The short story is that replies are 
done by sending an iCalendar file back to the organizer with 
METHOD:REPLY and certain fields filled out.


The format of reply iCalendar files is defined by the iCalendar 
Transport-Independent Interoperability Protocol (iTIP), [RFC 
5546](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5546). See section 
[3.2.3](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5546#section-3.2.3) for details 
and [4.2](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5546#section-4.2) for an 
example.


The iCalendar reply can be sent as an email attachment or via Scheduling 
Extensions to CalDAV, [RFC 6638](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6638). I 
haven’t grok’d that standard, but see [Appendix 
B](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6638#appendix-B) for an example that 
mostly makes sense.


Hope this helps!
-sam

On 13 Oct 2017, at 19:26, Jonas Kemper wrote:


Hi everybody!

I'm trying to wrap my head around how RSVPing to calendar invites 
works. I appreciate how easy this is for example in gmail/outlook.


Now, my situation might be a little bit specific. I have no offline 
calendar configured whatsoever. This means, that I don't care that the 
calendar event sent is important in a calendar. I just want to RSVP to 
the invite. As far as I have understood the standard at this point, 
this should basically just be another email reply with another .ics 
file attached. I might be wrong about this though.


Has anybody dealt with this before? My ideal scenario would be control 
elements to respond with "yes/no/maybe" in Mailmate whenever a meeting 
invite comes in.


Best,
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[MlMt] Possible bug: switching into Markdown mode saves a draft without prompting

[Sam Hathaway]

## Scenario 1: No Markdown, works as expected ##

### Steps to replicate ###

1. Reply to a text-only message.
2. Type some non-Markdown text.
3. Hit Cmd-W to close.
4. Click “Don’t Save”.

### Expected/actual result ###

* No message is added to the Drafts folder.

## Scenario 2: Markdown, draft is silently saved ##

### Steps to replicate ###

1. Reply to a text-only message.
2. Type some Markdown text, e.g. `Hello, *world!*`
3. Type some more text, e.g. `Goodbye, world!`
4. Hit Cmd-W to close.
5. Click “Don’t Save”.

### Expected result ###

* No message is added to the Drafts folder.

### Actual result ###

* There is a new message in the Drafts folder that contains the state of 
the message _at the time that it was converted to Markdown format._ In 
this example, it will contain `Hello, *world!*` but _not_ `Goodbye, 
world!`.


## Notes ##

* If you close the message right after it switches into Markdown mode, 
MailMate doesn’t prompt for whether to save the message, but the draft 
is created anyway.
* This probably happens with new messages (not replies) as well. I 
haven’t checked.
* You probably need to have Markdown turned on in the first place for 
this to happen.
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Re: [MlMt] Start Mailmate in offline mode

[Sam Hathaway]

You could also use [Little 
Snitch](https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/index.html) to block 
outgoing connections from MailMate.

-sam

On 27 Nov 2017, at 8:23, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

A simple solution would be to just take your computer offline for a 
couple minutes… turn your wifi off, whatever. If you are using wifi, 
it’s a simple one-click in the menu-bar


On 26 Nov 2017, at 22:14, Bill Cole wrote:


On 26 Nov 2017, at 19:23 (-0500), Dominik Obermaier wrote:

I typically tend to avoid having MailMate open all the time as I 
like to work with e-mails in a batched mode (= checking mails 2-3 
times a day).


Sometimes I need to open MailMate in order to search for archived 
e-mails when working on non email related tasks. Unfortunately new 
e-mails arrive in my inbox as soon as I start MailMate. Is there a 
way to start MailMate in “offline mode” so all mailboxes are 
offline when starting MailMate?

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Re: [MlMt] Proposal: conditional image loading by URL filtering

[Sam Hathaway]

Thanks!

Cheers,
-sam

On 10 Nov 2017, at 9:53, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 7 Nov 2017, at 16:18, Sam Hathaway wrote:


On 7 Nov 2017, at 8:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

That might work, but it would not be straightforward to implement. 
It would be easier to collect all remote URLs and provide them to 
the script in one go.


That’d be fine too. Whatever’s easiest for you, really. And 
actually it doesn’t have to be a script, either. How about a plist 
file containing a list of rules?


I agree that a plist might be better. I'll consider this.

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Re: [MlMt] Proposal: conditional image loading by URL filtering

[Sam Hathaway]

On 6 Nov 2017, at 5:13, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


Thanks for the detailed idea.


Thanks for considering it!

I'm thinking it might be a performance issue to call a script for 
every image (there can be a lot of them in a single email).


I was thinking you’d invoke the script once for each email, at display 
time. Does that change things for you? The process on your side would 
look something like:


```
on display_html_email:
proc = run(uri_approver)
for image in remote_images:
proc.write(image)
result = proc.read()
if result is 'allow':
display(image)
proc.end()
```

It might be nice with a more flexible solution, but if all you want is 
a regular expression to allow certain images then I already 
implemented `MmAllowedImageURLRegexp`. For example:


	defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmAllowedImageURLRegexp -string 
"https://(freron\.com|example\.com)/.*"


Hmm, it appears I've “forgotten” to document this. Maybe because I 
didn't really finish this feature. I would have liked to also handle a 
`MmDisallowedImageURLRegexp`. Let me know if you need that.


Hey, that’s great. It means I’ll have to deal with a long, ugly 
regular expression, but I can tolerate that I think. I don’t think I 
need a deny pattern, since deny is MailMate’s default.


Thanks a lot!
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Re: [MlMt] Proposal: conditional image loading by URL filtering

[Sam Hathaway]

On 7 Nov 2017, at 8:00, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 6 Nov 2017, at 18:13, Sam Hathaway wrote:

I was thinking you’d invoke the script once for each email, at 
display time. Does that change things for you?


That might work, but it would not be straightforward to implement. It 
would be easier to collect all remote URLs and provide them to the 
script in one go.


That’d be fine too. Whatever’s easiest for you, really. And actually 
it doesn’t have to be a script, either. How about a plist file 
containing a list of rules?


Hey, that’s great. It means I’ll have to deal with a long, ugly 
regular expression, but I can tolerate that I think. I don’t think 
I need a deny pattern, since deny is MailMate’s default.


Ok, I'll consider it resolved for now ;)


Thanks again!
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Re: [MlMt] Possible bug: switching into Markdown mode saves a draft without prompting

[Sam Hathaway]

Thanks everyone. In a former life I worked as a software developer in an 
organization with an _incorrigible_ QA department, so I learned 
firsthand the value of good bug reports and the vexation caused by bad 
ones.

-sam

On 30 Oct 2017, at 20:59, Paul Sture wrote:


On 18 Oct 2017, at 20:21, John Cooper wrote:

Now this is a great bug report! Takes me back to my early career as a 
tester on Aldus PageMaker 5. :)


It takes me back to middleware and OS bugs.  Providing the 
developer(s) with a simple means of reproducing the problem has 
resulted in many a swift fix over the years.

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Re: [MlMt] Feature request: populate subject with attachment filename

[Sam Hathaway]

On 9 May 2018, at 9:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


This should work in the next update.
This should also work in the next update.


Thank you!

I don't like that because it would prevent the empty-subject check 
when sending. I think this is important to avoid that people start 
sending emails with non-informative generic subjects lines :)


Good point.

Maybe a comma-separated list of X attachment names and then “ and Y 
more” if there is a lot of them. Maybe it's overkill :)


I agree.
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[MlMt] Feature request: populate subject with attachment filename

[Sam Hathaway]

Hi Benny and folks,

I was sending files by email today and realized that it’d be really 
nice if MailMate would fill in the subject line with the name of the 
file I was attaching. I’m imagining two workflows:


1. Drag a single file into the MailMate icon: a new email is created 
with the file attached and the subject is set to the name of the file.


2. Drag a single file into an existing compose window: the file is 
attached and the subject is set to the name of the file _only if it was 
empty._


I’m not sure what I’d recommend when attaching multiple files. Maybe 
the current behavior (leaving the subject blank) is fine.


Thanks!
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Re: [MlMt] Feature request: populate subject with attachment filename

[Sam Hathaway]

On 8 May 2018, at 10:52, John Cooper wrote:


Sam Hathaway wrote (at 7:41 on 8 May 2018):

I’m not sure what I’d recommend when attaching multiple files. 
Maybe the current behavior (leaving the subject blank) is fine.


Or the word "Attachments."


Sure! That would suit me just fine. :)
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Re: [MlMt] marking message as junk without triggering external references to download

[Sam Hathaway]

On 2 Aug 2018, at 9:57, Eric Sharakan wrote:

if I see a message in my inbox that is obviously spam based on the 
sender and subject, how can I select it and mark it as Junk without 
the message being viewed (which will also display its external 
references)?


View > Layout > Show/Hide Message View
Keyboard shortcut: ctrl-opt-cmd-H

So I would do: ctrl-opt-cmd-H, downarrow, cmd-shift-J, ctrl-opt-cmd-H

You can probably automate that somehow.
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Re: [MlMt] Nesting format strings

[Sam Hathaway]

Never mind… it turns out I can manually rename the submailboxes in the 
mailbox list, which takes care of my use case at least :)


On 1 Aug 2018, at 15:50, Sam Hathaway wrote:

Has anyone figured out how to nest format strings? I’m working on 
making my submailbox names prettier and I find that I want to make 
multiple transformations on the `list-id.final-level` variable.


I want to do both

${list-id.final-level/wendell-/w-/}

and

${list-id.final-level/friends-wfmch/w-fullmoon/}

I can’t figure out how to apply one regex and then another.

Any clues?
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[MlMt] Nesting format strings

[Sam Hathaway]

Has anyone figured out how to nest format strings? I’m working on 
making my submailbox names prettier and I find that I want to make 
multiple transformations on the `list-id.final-level` variable.


I want to do both

${list-id.final-level/wendell-/w-/}

and

${list-id.final-level/friends-wfmch/w-fullmoon/}

I can’t figure out how to apply one regex and then another.

Any clues?
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Re: [MlMt] Request for "Preview at Right" mode

[Sam Hathaway]

On 15 Jul 2018, at 12:52, John Cooper wrote:

I would add that the maximum width of the "doubled" window should not 
exceed the width of the current screen, though.


Ah yes, of course.

Another way to manage this might be to have separate remembered compose 
window sizes for “preview shown” and “preview hidden” and let 
the user decide what they want for each. (Perhaps someone wants a 60% 
wider window when preview is shown or something.)


Also maybe good to remember is where the split between the edit pane and 
the preview pane is.

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[MlMt] Request for "Preview at Right" mode

[Sam Hathaway]

Hi Benny and MailMate users,

I like the “Preview at Right” mode for editing Markdown emails. 
However, I’m kinda particular about the width of my compose windows 
and I don’t like that the space available for editing gets cut in half 
when I show the preview pane. I usually end up resizing the window to be 
twice as wide, but then on my next plain-text message I have to shrink 
it again.


What would be great is if I could have the window automatically double 
its width when the preview pane is shown, and halve its width when the 
preview pane is hidden. A hidden preference to turn this on would be 
fine with me.


I wonder if others might like this too. Anyway, thanks for considering 
it!

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Re: [MlMt] Request for "Preview at Right" mode

[Sam Hathaway]

On 16 Jul 2018, at 11:17, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> I've noted the above as a feature request.

Thanks, Benny!
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Re: [MlMt] Redirect a message

[Sam Hathaway]

Fill in a recipient?

On 9 Sep 2018, at 18:57, Randy Abbott wrote:

When I try to redirect a message, the Send button is disabled. Is 
there something I need to do before I can redirect a message?



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Re: [MlMt] Redirect a message

[Sam Hathaway]

In that case, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯!

On 9 Sep 2018, at 19:17, Randy H. Tjahjono wrote:


I did that 

On 9 Sep 2018, at 18:07, Sam Hathaway wrote:


Fill in a recipient?

On 9 Sep 2018, at 18:57, Randy Abbott wrote:

When I try to redirect a message, the Send button is disabled. Is 
there something I need to do before I can redirect a message?



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Re: [MlMt] Attachments

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On 6 Jul 2018, at 16:12, pleasespa...@posteo.net wrote:

I have my attachments set to the top of the email. Is there a hidden 
preference for removing them from the bottom?


I would like this as well.
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Re: [MlMt] Images in Signatures

[Sam Hathaway]

Do email clients support `data:` URIs, generally? Seems like if so 
it’d be a better user experience than either an attached or remote 
image.

-sam

On 6 Apr 2018, at 11:29, pleasespa...@posteo.net wrote:

I hate them, too, but if I can’t add our logo to my signature in MM, 
then I will be forced to use Outlook, which I hate even more.


On 6 Apr 2018, at 11:26, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

Oh how I hate images in signatures, especially inline attachments 
that I can’t readily block!


On 6 Apr 2018, at 10:58, pleasespa...@posteo.net wrote:


Benny,

Please support images in signatures. I’ve tried linking to a 
remote file, but because we have loading of remote images disabled, 
it breaks my signature. I’m willing to pay for this feature as my 
organization will no longer allow me to use MailMate if I can’t 
include the company logo in my signature. 
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Re: [MlMt] quoted-printable

[Sam Hathaway]

On 26 Feb 2018, at 3:53, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

I would prefer if it wasn't used (I don't think I found a MailMan 
setting to disable it).


I also hate digest emails and disable them on all the mailing lists I 
manage.


The setting is called `digestable` and it’s in the Digest Options 
category.


See: https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node19.html

IMO modern email filtering tools make digests obsolete.
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Re: [MlMt] "Line Height Delta" doesn't seem to work anymore in Mojave

[Sam Hathaway]

Just upgraded to r5528 and no dice. Thanks.
-sam

On 27 Sep 2018, at 13:45, Sam Hathaway wrote:


Hi Benny,

I use a Line Height Delta of -4 on the mailbox/sources sidebar to cram 
more into the available vertical space.


I just upgraded to Mojave and it looks like this setting is now being 
ignored. I can set it to any value I like and the line spacing shows 
up as if it was set to zero.


I’m running MailMate “Version 1.12 (5523)”.

Any fix or advice? Thanks.
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[MlMt] "Line Height Delta" doesn't seem to work anymore in Mojave

[Sam Hathaway]

Hi Benny,

I use a Line Height Delta of -4 on the mailbox/sources sidebar to cram 
more into the available vertical space.


I just upgraded to Mojave and it looks like this setting is now being 
ignored. I can set it to any value I like and the line spacing shows up 
as if it was set to zero.


I’m running MailMate “Version 1.12 (5523)”.

Any fix or advice? Thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] "Line Height Delta" doesn't seem to work anymore in Mojave

[Sam Hathaway]

Hi Florian,

Yeah, -7 did the trick. It looks like (at least) two things are going 
on.


1. Changes to the line height delta no longer take effect immediately; I 
have to quit/restart MailMate to see the effect.
2. The default line spacing seems to be WAY larger, so that -7 on Mojave 
is about the same as -4 on High Sierra.


Thanks and hope this helps!
-sam

On 27 Sep 2018, at 14:40, Florian Heidenreich wrote:


Hi Sam,

there is a ticket on the MailMate tracker on that:

https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/2112-mailbox-labels-are-not-vertically-centered

Can you change to -7 and see if it makes any difference?

Kind regards
— Florian

On 27 Sep 2018, at 19:45, Sam Hathaway wrote:


Hi Benny,

I use a Line Height Delta of -4 on the mailbox/sources sidebar to 
cram more into the available vertical space.


I just upgraded to Mojave and it looks like this setting is now being 
ignored. I can set it to any value I like and the line spacing shows 
up as if it was set to zero.


I’m running MailMate “Version 1.12 (5523)”.

Any fix or advice? Thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] Keybinding for TAB changed?

[Sam Hathaway]

Just noticed that this is intermittent. Sometimes shift-tab from the 
mailbox gear menu focuses the search box, sometimes it’s the mailbox 
list.


Shift-tab skipping the mailbox list coincides with no mailbox appearing 
to be highlighted in the list (despite a mailbox’s contents being 
displayed). Next time this happens I’ll take a screenshot.


On 14 Nov 2018, at 12:00, Sam Hathaway wrote:

This is bugging me too. I used to use shift-tab to focus the mailbox 
list. Now a single shift-tab focuses the gear menu at the bottom of 
the mailbox list. A second shift-tab focuses the search box. A 
(non-shifted) tab from the search box focuses the mailbox list. So 
there’s definitely some tab ordering issues going on.


On 14 Nov 2018, at 11:39, Michael Nietzold wrote:


what:

- i just updated to Version 1.12.1 (5552)
- i use the three pane layout
- i normaly select a mailbox in the left tree


what i expected:
- then i can select all and delete or use tab to go to the upper mail 
list

- i like to go back with the cursor to the left tree
- i can hit SHIFT-TAB and i am back in the left tree

what i see:

- there are some changes in the new version?
- i need to tap TAB twice to go to the list
- when i hit SHIFT-TAB it goes to settings icon and a second goes to 
the tree



Question:

- is there an other better shortcut to go to the left tree and to the 
mail list?

- how i can exclude settings from the TAB cicle?

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Re: [MlMt] Keybinding for TAB changed?

[Sam Hathaway]

This is bugging me too. I used to use shift-tab to focus the mailbox 
list. Now a single shift-tab focuses the gear menu at the bottom of the 
mailbox list. A second shift-tab focuses the search box. A (non-shifted) 
tab from the search box focuses the mailbox list. So there’s 
definitely some tab ordering issues going on.


On 14 Nov 2018, at 11:39, Michael Nietzold wrote:


what:

- i just updated to Version 1.12.1 (5552)
- i use the three pane layout
- i normaly select a mailbox in the left tree


what i expected:
- then i can select all and delete or use tab to go to the upper mail 
list

- i like to go back with the cursor to the left tree
- i can hit SHIFT-TAB and i am back in the left tree

what i see:

- there are some changes in the new version?
- i need to tap TAB twice to go to the list
- when i hit SHIFT-TAB it goes to settings icon and a second goes to 
the tree



Question:

- is there an other better shortcut to go to the left tree and to the 
mail list?

- how i can exclude settings from the TAB cicle?

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Re: [MlMt] Query about not receiving mail

[Sam Hathaway]

Any mail server “on the way” to those recipients could have 
classified your message as spam and dropped it in the bit bucket. From 
what I’ve seen, mail servers have a couple of spam thresholds: a lower 
confidence one where the message goes to the user’s Spam/Junk folder 
and a higher confidence one where the message is rejected outright. 
Depending on the server, it may or may not send a bounce back.


I’m curious if those two users are using different email providers 
than the rest of the folks on your message. I sometimes have delivery 
problems with @yahoo.com and @aol.com recipients.


I used the “Mail Tester” service to test how mail servers are likely 
to see my outgoing emails. There were a few things I could fix and more 
that my email host had to fix. Give it a try! 
https://www.mail-tester.com/


Hope this helps!
-sam

On 25 Sep 2018, at 7:02, Annamarie wrote:


Hi

This isn't really a MM tech question but it's an email question and 
maybe someone on this list has some insight...


To wit

I emailed 15 people and sent as a BCC so as not to share their emails 
with each other. Discovered yesterday that two of them hadn't received 
the mail. The addresses are correct (I've used them, copying and 
pasting from the actual email I sent), they are in the middle of the 
list. The mail didn't go into spam - it just didn't get there as far 
as I can tell.


Why would that happen? Any ideas?

Thanks
Annamarie

Annamarie Pluhar
802-451-1941
802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.)
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Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

[Sam Hathaway]

On 11 Jan 2019, at 16:14, davecc wrote:

On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Sam Hathaway 
 wrote:


If coordinated right, it would centralize the thankless work of 
kludging around nonstandard, broken IMAP server implementations. 
Imagine if, instead of each MUA author having to develop, test, and 
maintain dozens of ugly hacks, they were collaborating to improve a 
single JMAP proxy codebase that all could use.


Puts 1 more level of responsibility in the chain. If users have mail 
issues, no matter how responsive and responsible the client developer 
is, they can only say “We’ve contacted the proxy developer. 
You’ll just have to wait.”


Not necessarily. But you seem dead set against anything but the status 
quo so I give up.

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Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

[Sam Hathaway]

I guess we’ll have to wait and see how things pan out.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On 11 Jan 2019, at 15:21, Randall Gellens wrote:


On 11 Jan 2019, at 12:10, Sam Hathaway wrote:


On 11 Jan 2019, at 14:58, Randall Gellens wrote:

An IMAP-JMAP proxy just moves the complexity of dealing with the 
myriad of IMAP servers from core MailMate to an embedded proxy.  I 
don't see it providing that much help, while it would undoubtedly 
introduce its own set of problems.


If coordinated right, it would centralize the thankless work of 
kludging around nonstandard, broken IMAP server implementations. 
Imagine if, instead of each MUA author having to develop, test, and 
maintain dozens of ugly hacks, they were collaborating to improve a 
single JMAP proxy codebase that all could use.


That could be a great thing.  Or it could be just one more variant for 
a client to support, potentially multiple variants if the proxy 
behaves differently depending on which IMAP server it is facing.  Done 
well, a universal proxy could help.  But then, done well, IMAP is 
fine.


As I said earlier, while JMAP might be very cool, it doesn’t help 
the core problem of widely variant IMAP server behavior; instead, it 
just introduces yet more variants.


It does move us towards solving the problem of IMAP being kinda trash 
for resource-constrained clients with slow network connections.


As I mentioned before, IMAP was originally designed for extremely slow 
dial-up lines that were prone to sudden disconnection.  Many of the 
features of IMAP are specifically for the problems of communication in 
that environment.


I think it’s telling that many of the major email providers 
(Google, Microsoft, and FastMail, at least) felt the need to create 
their own proprietary mail access protocols for use by their mobile 
apps. What this says to me is that IMAP is not fit-for-purpose when 
it comes to smartphone apps.


Maybe, or maybe many of the big providers didn't want to spend the 
time to figure out how to do IMAP well, and/or saw competitive 
advantages of having their own protocol.  There's a long-standing 
problem of players big and small doing poor jobs of implementing 
standards.  In some cases, it was clear that developers read the RFC 
examples but not the normative text.


--Randall
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Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

[Sam Hathaway]

On 11 Jan 2019, at 10:07, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

The last one is maybe the most likely one, but given the complexity of 
the current IMAP implementation (in order to handle all kinds of 
issues) I kind of doubt that it's possible. A proxy which only works 
well with some IMAP servers is currently of little use to me.


FastMail is working on a JMAP proxy:
https://proxy.jmap.io/
https://github.com/jmapio/jmap-perl

“The eventual goal is to have a proxy you can stick in front of any 
IMAP server and get a usable JMAP out the other end.”


Emphasis on “eventual” I think!
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Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

[Sam Hathaway]

On 11 Jan 2019, at 14:58, Randall Gellens wrote:

An IMAP-JMAP proxy just moves the complexity of dealing with the 
myriad of IMAP servers from core MailMate to an embedded proxy.  I 
don't see it providing that much help, while it would undoubtedly 
introduce its own set of problems.


If coordinated right, it would centralize the thankless work of kludging 
around nonstandard, broken IMAP server implementations. Imagine if, 
instead of each MUA author having to develop, test, and maintain dozens 
of ugly hacks, they were collaborating to improve a single JMAP proxy 
codebase that all could use.


As I said earlier, while JMAP might be very cool, it doesn’t help 
the core problem of widely variant IMAP server behavior; instead, it 
just introduces yet more variants.


It does move us towards solving the problem of IMAP being kinda trash 
for resource-constrained clients with slow network connections. I think 
it’s telling that many of the major email providers (Google, 
Microsoft, and FastMail, at least) felt the need to create their own 
proprietary mail access protocols for use by their mobile apps. What 
this says to me is that IMAP is not fit-for-purpose when it comes to 
smartphone apps.

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Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

[Sam Hathaway]

I’d love to hear Benny’s thoughts about this protocol. (It all 
sounds great to me, but then again I’ve never written an IMAP client!)

-sam

On 28 Dec 2018, at 6:56, Mike Brasch wrote:


Moin moin,

I've just been reading:

 - https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/
 - https://jmap.io
 - https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jmap/about/

I asked for it long time ago. Maybe it's more interesting now?

--
With kind regards
Mike
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Re: [MlMt] 'Send' via keyboard?

[Sam Hathaway]

OK got it. Sounds like a bug. When I follow your steps I get “Send” 
and “Edit as New Message” as the first two items in the 
“Message” menu.

-sam

On 9 Jan 2019, at 9:37, Jason Davies wrote:


On 9 Jan 2019, at 13:13, Sam Hathaway wrote:

I use Cmd-Shift-D to send. I don’t know what you mean about the 
“default delay” though.

-sam



[See screenshot (if list permits it).]

It was put into 'pending' so I'll summarise.

I created a new message, wrote my email address in 'to'  and a 
subject, tabbed to the message body and clicked on Message menu. I was 
offered 'Cancel Send' and 'Edit as New Message' (as if I had a queued 
message selected). 'Send' and 'Send Now' were not offered.


Since I've established this isn't the normal behaviour I'll try to 
work out what's going on here.  (I note this message was doing the 
same thing at first but when I tried again, the right menu items were 
appearing).


Thanks
J

PS The 'default delay' is what I have put in in the Send Later box. 
You can set this via the Terminal (precise syntax evades me for now).


Sorry about the 'command E' thing - I must have remapped that years 
ago, it's probably what Mailsmith did in 2002 and became a habit;)




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Re: [MlMt] 'Send' via keyboard?

[Sam Hathaway]

I use Cmd-Shift-D to send. I don’t know what you mean about the 
“default delay” though.

-sam

On 9 Jan 2019, at 8:03, Jason Davies wrote:


Hi folks

I may be missing something obvious but recent changes to the Send 
options have confused me. I want simply to be able to type a message 
then send it via a keystoke (in the old days, Command E did this). 
This recently stopped working so I went to assign a keystroke to 
whatever would do it now, but there is only 'Send Now' when I use the 
Help menu to find all relevant menu items. I always have a five minute 
delay as I'm prone to remembering things a minute after sending.


I don't see a 'Send' (and honour the default delay) option as a 
keystroke/menu. Can someone help me with this?;)


(I'm using Mailmate so I *don't*  have to use a mouse -- RSI -- so 
this is a big deal for me).


Cheers
J
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Re: [MlMt] Feature request: DnD text into app icon = new message with that text as body

[Sam Hathaway]

On 21 Feb 2019, at 9:01, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 19 Feb 2019, at 15:15, Sam Hathaway wrote:

Wouldn’t it be cool if you could drag some selected text (from your 
text editor, say) into the MailMate app icon and have it create a new 
message with that text as the message body?


I'll look into it.


Thanks, Benny!
-sam
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Re: [MlMt] What's with the skulls?

[Sam Hathaway]

Not sure if you’re interested in suggestions for alternate ways to 
call this out, but a few things occurred to me:


* You could keep the at-sign but style it differently: perhaps red and 
underlined would stand out enough without being too obnoxious.


* The ⛔️ or  or ☢️ emoji are round like the at-sign and 
indicate danger.


* Perhaps the checks used to decide to call out an at-sign could be a 
little more stringent. For example, a leading at-sign (some of you may 
recognize `@lbutlr` from another list) shouldn’t need to be called 
out. Same with a trailing at-sign.


* Personally I love the little skulls but making the character used 
configurable via `defaults` would be lovely. I think I’d probably 
choose  or .


Thanks for all your work on MailMate!
-sam
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[MlMt] Feature request: DnD text into app icon = new message with that text as body

[Sam Hathaway]

Benny,

Wouldn’t it be cool if you could drag some selected text (from your 
text editor, say) into the MailMate app icon and have it create a new 
message with that text as the message body?


I think it would. :)

My use case would be sending source code snippets to a collaborator or 
release notes to a client.


Thanks for considering it!
-sam
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[MlMt] [OT-ish] Local Dovecot - step-by-step instructions or plug-and-play .app/VM/container

[Sam Hathaway]

Hi all,

I find myself in possession of a bunch of MBOX files that I’d like to 
browse using MailMate, without having to upload them to one of my IMAP 
accounts. The recommendation for this seems to be to install Dovecot on 
my Mac and import them there.


I got about half an hour into tweaking config files and squinting at 
error messages and realized that this is not the best use of my time.


So, does anyone have step-by-step instructions for setting up Dovecot 
for this kind of use?


Or better yet, does anyone know of a plug-and-play .app/VM/container 
that runs a self-contained Dovecot?


Thanks in advance!
-sam
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Re: [MlMt] Feature request: DnD text into app icon = new message with that text as body

[Sam Hathaway]

On 19 Feb 2019, at 10:36, Rob McBroom wrote:


On 19 Feb 2019, at 9:15, Sam Hathaway wrote:

Wouldn’t it be cool if you could drag some selected text (from your 
text editor, say) into the MailMate app icon and have it create a new 
message with that text as the message body?


I think that makes sense.

Until that’s possible (if ever), you can always use the MailMate 
plug-in in Quicksilver to compose a message using the selected text. 
You could even create a keyboard trigger for that if it’s something 
you’ll do often.


Thanks, I use Alfred but I bet there’s equivalent functionality.
-sam
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Re: [MlMt] Feature request: DnD text into app icon = new message with that text as body

[Sam Hathaway]

On 19 Feb 2019, at 9:57, John Cooper wrote:


Robert Brenstein wrote (at 6:47 on 19 Feb 2019):

You can drag and drop text onto a new message window from another 
window. It works. Personally, I find it more useful since the app is 
“hidden” in the apps folder.


Presumably, one would drag the text to the MailMate icon in the Dock, 
where it will always be present while it is running, and where many 
users will have it if it is not. I think Sam's idea is a good one.


Yes, that’s what I had in mind. Thanks John.
-sam
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Re: [MlMt] text/plain?

[Sam Hathaway]

I don’t think this is an encoding issue. I think it’s an issue with 
the original source of the text in the email. (It looks like it was 
possibly copied from a terminal interface of some sort… is that 
right?)


In the terminal, you can use `tr` to fix this:

```
tr '\xA0' ' ' < mymail.txt > mymail.fixed.txt
```

If that’s not your bag, a sufficiently advanced text editor should be 
able to take care of it. In BBEdit (my editor of choice) this will do 
suffice:


Find: `\x{A0}`
Replace: ` ` <-a single space character
Grep: on

By the way, the BBEdit command “Zap Gremlins” can take care of all 
sorts of weird characters for you. I use it habitually when receiving 
“text” from questionable sources. Other text editors may have 
similar functionality.


Hope this helps!
-sam

On 6 Apr 2019, at 7:27, Randy Bush wrote:


i receive an email

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0)
 Gecko/20100101 PostboxApp/6.1.13
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Language: en-US

the text has funny space characters that i see if i save the text to
disk and look at it with less

0. flo: 2.31 2018.11.03

  1. CLIMATE 
ACTION
  * (N)ew 
(M)odify (D)elete..: N


  2. * NAME OF CLOUD: 
cumulus


i presume the sender is thunderbird and they have created the text 
with

some sort of windows encoding on a mac?

how can i save the content as vanilla ascii text?

randy
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Re: [MlMt] Old question again: Can I delete the files in the Attachment folder without impacting MailMate?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 24 Jun 2019, at 4:34, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 10 Jun 2019, at 14:54, leo wrote:


~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Attachments/


Yes, it's just a cache.


Maybe it’d make sense to store the `Attachments` folder in 
`~/Library/Caches/com.freron.MailMate` then?


Thanks.
-sam
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Re: [MlMt] Notes on latest test release and Gmail OAuth application verification

[Sam Hathaway]

On 2 May 2019, at 9:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


* Not do image blocking on older macOS versions.


If you decide to go this route, folks on earlier macOS versions could 
use something like [Little 
Snitch](https://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/) to prevent emails 
“phoning home”.


Hope this helps.
-sam
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Re: [MlMt] is it possible to search on Msg ID or "Warning: Email not available on disk" status ?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 8 May 2019, at 0:49, Bill Cole wrote:

Tip: don't let other programs do data violence in the MailMate message 
cache.


That’s not always possible. Antivirus software may remove messages 
that contain malware.

-sam
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Re: [MlMt] Disable IPv6 in MailMate

[Sam Hathaway]

On 3 Jul 2019, at 11:18, Zi Yan wrote:

My new ISP provides native IPv6, which is great, but my company IMAP 
mail server does not support IPv6. I just wonder if there is a way of 
disabling IPv6 in Mailmate. It would be even better if I can disable 
IPv6 for a specific account.


You could try adding an entry for the IPv4 address of 
outlook.office365.com to your /etc/hosts file. Haven’t tested it but 
it’s worth a shot.


Another option (assuming it doesn’t make SSL mad) might be to use the 
IPv4 address in MailMate’s config as your IMAP server address (rather 
than “outlook.office365.com”).


Additionally, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with disabling it 
on your system to get things to work now. It’s unlikely to break 
anything.


Stijn says that IPv6 is the future, but IMO the future is going to take 
a while to arrive, if it ever does. Some people think IPv6 has failed 
and we’ll have to try something else. Go figure!


Hope this helps.
-sam
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Re: [MlMt] stop sending emails to diniz.jos...@gmail.com thank you

[Sam Hathaway]

Joseph,

To unsubscribe:

- go here: https://lists.freron.com/options/mailmate
- enter your email address (leave password blank)
- click “Unsubscribe”

Hope this helps!
-sam

On 9 Sep 2019, at 3:24, joseph diniz wrote:

> Joseph Diniz
>
> diniz.jos...@gmail.com
>
> 8, allée Charlie Parker
> 78260 ACHÈRES
> FRANCE
> TEL   01 39 22 03 74
> GSM   06 62 66 03 74


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Re: [MlMt] Customising key bindings

[Sam Hathaway]

On 11 Sep 2019, at 12:22, Charlie Clark wrote:

> Do I just need to create the path?

Yes.
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[MlMt] Signatures "learn" too aggressively

[Sam Hathaway]

Benny,

I have a signature that I’d like to use only when I’m sending FROM a 
certain account TO a certain mailing list. Both new messages and replies 
BUT no other messages.


So I set up a new signature and listed my FROM address in the 
“Address(es)” field. MailMate immediately learned by example to use 
my new signature when I address a message to the mailing list, but over 
time it seems to be trying to use the signature in other cases as well. 
For example, if someone was CC’d on a message to the mailing list, and 
I later send an off-list message to them, it tries to use the signature.


This is frustrating because I don’t always catch it and end up sending 
a confusing sig.


Is there any way to explain to MailMate that I really only want it to 
use the sig when this mailing list is a recipient?


Ideally I’d like is to be able to give MailMate hard-and-fast rules 
for when to use each signature, without it trying to “learn” what I 
prefer.


Thanks and great product as usual!
-sam
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[MlMt] Widescreen layout: possible to have 2-row message list

[Sam Hathaway]

Apple Mail and Outlook have a layout where each item in the message list 
occupies two rows. It would be nice to have this in MailMate as well. I 
am experimenting with the Widescreen layout and I’m finding that I’d 
rather have more space for Correspondents and Subject than have more 
total messages shown.


Message list items currently:

```
[F] [Correspondents] [T] [Subject   ] [Date Received]
```

(F=flag, T=outline knob)

Message list ideally:

```
[T] [Subject] [F] [Date Received]
[Correspondents ]
```

You get the idea. :)

Any chance this is possible? If not, consider it a feature request. :)
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Re: [MlMt] error "Mailbox unexpectedly already exists"

[Sam Hathaway]

Try unsubscribing from the mailbox in Edit IMAP Account > Edit 
Subscriptions maybe?


I’ve sometimes had luck getting mailboxes unstuck by unsubscribing, 
taking MlMt offline, back online, refreshing the IMAP folder list, etc.


Not sure if it’ll work in your case but it’s another knob to fiddle 
with.


On 21 Oct 2019, at 14:45, Shoshanna Green wrote:

I'm still hoping someone can offer some suggestions for how to clear 
this error? I can send and receive mail through MailMate just fine, 
but the error message still appears every now and then.


Thanks,

Shoshanna Green

On 14 Oct 2019, at 11:31, Shoshanna Green wrote:

I tried to clean up some of my Gmail labels in this account, and 
obviously messed something up, because  MailMate keeps popping up the 
following message:


MailMate encountered the following error: “Mailbox unexpectedly 
already exists. Command: 'I6 CREATE "[Gmail]/Sent Mail"'.”.


Mailbox: “[Gmail]/Sent Mail”.


with options of "retry", "take account offline," and "try again 
later." I've been clicking the latter.


I tried going back to my Gmail "manage labels" page on the Web at 
mail.google.com and deleting the "[Gmail]/Sent Mail" label (which 
never has any messages in it anyway), but that doesn't stop the error 
message from appearing, and when I check, the label has reappeared in 
Gmail's Web access.


When I look at the [Gmail]/Sent Mail mailbox for this account in 
MailMate, it's greyed out and marked "(failed)", and MailMate reports 
about 600 messages in it, even though Gmail looked at through Web 
access says the label has 0 messages.


My other Gmail account also has a "[Gmail]/Sent Mail" mailbox in 
MailMate, but it's greyed out and marked "(offline)". I tried taking 
the "[Gmail]/Sent Mail" mailbox that's throwing an error offline as 
well, and the attempt failed with the same "mailbox unexpectedly 
already exists" error.


The mailing list archive includes a message from Sherman Wilcox this 
past March who had the same problem, and Benny said "this was solved 
off list. It was related to the Archive mailbox somehow having become 
unsubscribed (client side) and MailMate did not handle this well." 
But MailMate's Archive mailbox for this account seems fine -- I don't 
use it and there's nothing in it, but it's not greyed out or offline 
or anything.


Can anyone advise? I promise I'll never try to tidy up Gmail again...



Shoshanna Green
shoshan...@gmail.com
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Re: [MlMt] UK email provider recommendations

[Sam Hathaway]

It’s AU-based, but FastMail is decent and works well with MailMate. 
Hope this helps.

-sam

On 26 Nov 2019, at 12:14, Seamus Phillips wrote:


Hi MM Community!

Does anyone have any recommendations for a UK (or EU) based IMAP host 
that plays nicely with MailMate? IE not Gmail or MS365.


For a small business with not much traffic, but a decent amount of 
storage is required.


Thanks!

Seamus
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Re: [MlMt] UK email provider recommendations

[Sam Hathaway]

On 27 Nov 2019, at 7:01, Seamus Phillips wrote:

FastMail seems ideal, but servers are quite remote (New York based if 
I understand correctly).  Perhaps I am being over cautious about 
distance…


While FastMail is an Australian company, their servers are located in 
New Jersey.


I agree that you’re being overly cautious about the distance.

If you’re concerned about data privacy or government interference, 
here’s what FastMail has to say:


* [FastMail's servers are in the US: what this means for 
you](https://fastmail.blog/2013/10/07/fastmails-servers-are-in-the-us-what-this-means-for-you/)
* [FastMail is not required to implement the Australian metadata 
retention 
laws](https://fastmail.blog/2015/04/09/fastmail-is-not-required-to-implement-the-australian-metadata-retention-laws/)

* [GDPR is here!](https://fastmail.blog/2018/05/24/gdpr-is-here/)

Hope this helps.
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Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Sam Hathaway]

On 6 Feb 2020, at 17:37, Charlie Garrison wrote:


On 7 Feb 2020, at 1:15, Bill Cole wrote:

Spark has horrible and disgusting business practices that they hide 
behind slick marketing. I think there needs to be a public 
announcement advising users against ever downloading Spark. [My 
comments are based on bad experience a couple of years ago; things may 
have changed since, but I doubt it.]


Another perspective on Spark, for what it’s worth: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/adazxk/psa_there_is_nothing_special_about_spark_emails/


The short version is that there’s no way to do push notifications for 
IMAP accounts on iOS without their server logging into your account and 
keeping an IDLE connection open.


Many iOS email clients do this. It’s the price you pay for having 
timely push notifications.


Just my 2¢.
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Re: [MlMt] Moving folders in the UI

[Sam Hathaway]

On 23 Dec 2019, at 14:21, Charlie Clark wrote:

Exactly that: I select a folder, as I would in Finder, and then no 
matter what I try I can never move the folder, it only changes 
selection. This could be some trackpad thing, because I normally use a 
mouse or graphic tablet, but I assume I'm just missing something 
simple. %-)


I use a trackpad and I can drag folders just fine with MailMate build 
6146. However, I’ve noticed that MailMate only lets me drag folders 
that are _not_ automatically-generated “submailboxes” of smart 
folders. With submailboxes it behaves exactly as you describe.


Hope this helps.
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Re: [MlMt] Weird issue when replying to a message that was sent to multiple people

[Sam Hathaway]

Angelo,

By any chance, do you have an address pattern set up in IMAP Account 
Settings that matches the address of the sender of the message you’re 
replying to? That would probably cause the behavior you’re seeing.

-sam

On 22 Apr 2020, at 6:41, Angelo Machils via mailmate wrote:


Hello,

I’ve noticed that when I’m replying to an email that was sent to 
multiple people, my sender address has become that one of the sender 
of the mail I’m replying to and the ‘to’ address is not the 
sender, but the ‘to’ address from the original mail. The sender is 
_not_ in the cc list either….. So in fact I’m not replying to the 
sender, but to the original recipient and my address has become that 
of the original sender.


I’m on version 1.13.1 (5684), but I have seen this happen in other 
versions as well.



---
Regards,

Angelo
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Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Sam Hathaway]

Just a follow up - having run MailMate for about 18 hours with Activity 
Monitor open, I’m showing 1 MB sent and 20 MB received.


Not a huge email day for me, but that’s like three orders of magnitude 
less than what you’re seeing. I think there’s something screwy going 
on with your setup.


Maybe some brain-dead IMAP servers force MailMate to be more profligate 
with bandwidth. What servers are you connecting to? I have two Fastmail 
accounts, two GMail accounts, and one private server running Dovecot.


Hope this helps and that you find a fix.
-sam

On 10 May 2020, at 12:25, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Hi Bill,

Actually, if you open Activity Monitor, you will see it starts 
at zero and then augment and if you restart it it restarts. With that, 
I'm watching it during the day and see that the download count raise 
little by little. For example, I restarted Activity Monitor this 
morning (a little before I sent my last email) and without restarting 
MailMate and now I see 522 ko uploads / 325,4 mo uploads 
[screenshot](https://d.pr/i/6iuelW)


So, yes at first I thought this could have been a total since the 
process started, but I see while looking at it that it rises and 
restart on restart (or pane change) of Activity Monitor, so I'm quite 
sure this is accumulated between each time I restart it.


Thanks for your inputs, I'll try to see if I can find another place 
where I could see the total since the process started to see the 
difference.


Best,

--
Guillaume

On 10 May 2020, at 12:16, Bill Cole wrote:


On 10 May 2020, at 10:32, Guillaume Barrette wrote:

To give you more inputs, yesterday MailMate downloaded for 2.1gb of 
data.
You can see a screenshot taken at the end of the day before I put my 
laptop to sleep [here](https://d.pr/i/XVsY6a)


I believe those network values are not per day, but for the lifetime 
of the process. I haven't found (in a brief search) any explicit 
documentation of it being anything else. Sleep (even hibernation) 
does not reset the counter.


--
Bill Cole
b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org
(AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)
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Re: [MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Sam Hathaway]

2 GB of network traffic per day seems high. I’m going to leave 
Activity monitor open on my MailMate today and see what I get.


Messages.noindex tends to be a bit larger than the on-server size of the 
messages, but not staggeringly so. For example, one of my accounts is 
using 4.7 GB on the server but its folder inside Messages.noindex is 5.0 
GB.


Also I’d suggest paying attention to the “Private memory” rather 
than “Memory” as that shows the amount of RAM MailMate is using that 
isn’t shared with other processes. (If I understand correctly.)


Hope this helps.
-sam

On 9 May 2020, at 10:45, Guillaume Barrette wrote:


Dear MailMate Users,

First, I want to say that I really like MailMate with its 
customization and search possibilities, this is not a rant, but just 
that I would like to tune it to reduce its footprint if possible.


In short I find it a little heavy regarding its usage of resources. To 
give some statistics:


My mailboxes consist of:

- 195,766 messages collected from 5 mailboxes (3 from Gmail + 2 other 
from my web host which have pretty much no message in them)

- I'm getting around 80 emails per day

What I would like to improve:

1. By investigating MailMate's downloads from the Activity Monitor 
Network tab, I see that MailMate is downloading around 2gb of data per 
days
2. My "Messages.noindex" directory takes around 20gb of space on my 
drive

3. MailMate takes around 1gb of memory while running

So, I think my best way to reduce most of it would be to move a lot of 
my emails to a new submailbox that I will unsubscribe from MailMate. 
So my question, is this the only solution? I know there's no way to 
set MailMate to only download emails from the "last 6 months" or 
something like that, but is there other solutions than to move 
everything out?


Regarding my MailMate download statistic, my Internet plan consists of 
150gb per month, so almost half of it goes to MailMate (2gb x 30 days 
= 60gb / 150gb), is this normal our could it be a bug? I don't think 
my previous email application was using that much bandwidth... I have 
difficulty to see how MailMate can use that much bandwidth since by 
looking at a big day (105 mails) it's around 6.8 mb of storage space. 
Is MailMate batch re-downloading many emails every day ? To mention, 
all my accounts have their "Synchronization Schedule" set to "Every 10 
minutes".


I have multiple Smart Mailboxes, with some submailboxes populated 
using the "Submailbox for each unique value of", could this add to the 
bandwidth and does reducing the amount will greatly help in reducing 
the memory used or the memory is more proportional to the number of 
emails?


Thanks anyone for any cues and help!

All the best,

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Re: [MlMt] Moving complete folder tree from one IMAP server to another

[Sam Hathaway]

imapsync is not a Google tool. http://imapsync.lamiral.info/

On 6 May 2020, at 13:15, Randall Gellens wrote:

I haven't used Google's tools (and, speaking personally, Google is not 
the most standards-compliant organization, so I'd probably use them 
mostly for moving mail to or from Google rather than between 
non-Google systems), but I have used Dovecot's dsync tool to move 
between different IMAP servers.  See 
https://wiki2.dovecot.org/Migration/Dsync


--Randall

On 5 May 2020, at 11:47, Alexandre Takacs wrote:


Google Imapsync

Very powerful tool for this type of use.

On 5 May 2020, at 16:39, Fritz Slater via mailmate wrote:

I would like to move/copy a mailbox tree (i.e. mailboxes that 
contain other mailboxes) from one IMAP server account to another.  I 
tried just Option-drag and only the top mailbox was copied.  It is 
empty on the new server as it only contained other mailboxes.  How 
can I accomplish moving the entire tree?  Thanks.

-Jon
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Re: [MlMt] Files to keep, to start over from scratch (kind of)

[Sam Hathaway]

Why not keep the whole ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate directory 
(moved elsewhere, of course)? And you’ll also want a copy of 
~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist, I think.

-sam

On 22 May 2020, at 19:30, Randall Meadows wrote:

In an effort to try to eliminate a very annoying crashing bug in 
MailMate that apparently only I am experiencing and that Benny cannot 
replicate (this is not a ding on Benny, at all, I'm just saying...) I 
am going to try starting over from scratch.


I want to delete all traces of MailMate and reinstall, and then slowly 
add back in my accounts and try to figure out what triggers the crash. 
 To try to makes this painful process as least painful as possible, 
I'd like to keep a record of my settings and accounts and likewise try 
to figure out if one of these is the culprit.


In /Users/randy/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ I'll retain 
(stored in a different place, of course):

- Identities.plist
- Resources/KeyBinding/randy.plist
- Sources.plist
- Tags.plist

Are there any other files I may want to hold onto that will help me 
get back to normal along this journey?  Or ones I've listed that are 
really not necessary?



Thanks!
randy

PS - For those interested, the crashing bug is: pressing ⌘-D to 
delete multiple messages one at a time in sequence quickly makes MM go 
*boom*.  As in:


⌘-D⌘-D = *boom*
⌘-D⌘-D = *boom*
⌘-D = NO *boom*

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Re: [MlMt] OT: iOS mail client

[Sam Hathaway]

Folks — This thread is now OT even from its original OT topic, and 
we’ve already discussed the privacy situation with server-assisted 
email clients to death within living memory. Maybe now would be a good 
time to take this off list?

-sam

On 5 Sep 2020, at 13:20, Antonio Leding wrote:

Apologies if I missed this — and I’m not advocating using Spark 
(far from it) — but nowhere in any of Readdle’s (maker of Spark) 
policies nor their blog about privacy did I see where they actually 
store credentials on their servers.  They do say “Spark needs access 
to usernames & passwords” but I interpret this to mean the app which 
is the same for all IMAP clients most notably the one I am using right 
now - Mailmate.


If you have a different interpretation or know where I missed it, 
please share… :=)




On 5 Sep 2020, at 8:07, Charlie Garrison wrote:


On 6 Sep 2020, at 0:13, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

If I understand this correctly, Spark's architecture requires them 
to

have access to your email passwords. To me, that's a complete
non-starter; your email password is the most important one you
have, since it can be used to reset all of your other passwords.


That's an important distinction too. It's the difference between 
giving someone the keys to your house (Spark) -vs- letting them peer 
through the front door (Edison).


I don't want anyone doing either, but they are still very different 
risk profiles. It's not ok with me when companies hide either 
behaviour.


-cng


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Garrison Computer Services  
PO Box 380
Tumbarumba NSW 2653  Australia
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Re: [MlMt] Deleting parent message does not delete children when expanded

[Sam Hathaway]

On 3 Sep 2020, at 14:46, Antonio Leding wrote:

In essence the app appears to treat a collapsed chain as highlighted 
if the parent is highlighted.


I don’t know if Benny intended this, but it makes sense to me and I 
rely on it.

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Re: [MlMt] Deleting parent message does not delete children when expanded

[Sam Hathaway]

I think a user might find it surprising if messages that are NOT 
selected were deleted.

-sam

On 3 Sep 2020, at 15:52, Antonio Leding wrote:


Hi Sam,

So the delete-the-entire-thread when collapsed makes sense to me as 
well and I’m not suggesting that should change.  But my expectation 
was that when a message is deleted, all of its children would also be 
deleted regardless of the thread being expanded or collapsed.  
Basically that the current collapsed behavior would also occur when 
expanded as well.


Of course, all messages above the highlighted message would remain 
unmodified…





On 3 Sep 2020, at 12:46, Sam Hathaway wrote:


On 3 Sep 2020, at 14:46, Antonio Leding wrote:

In essence the app appears to treat a collapsed chain as highlighted 
if the parent is highlighted.


I don’t know if Benny intended this, but it makes sense to me and I 
rely on it.

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Re: [MlMt] Easy way to auto-expand a thread

[Sam Hathaway]

On 3 Sep 2020, at 15:15, Antonio Leding wrote:

> [is] there is any way to auto-expand a given message thread?

I assume by “auto” you mean “in response to a single user action”?

I have this in a custom keybindings file:

"[" = "expandThread:";
"]" = "collapseThread:";

Hope this helps.
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Re: [MlMt] Lost the attachment check regular expression

[Sam Hathaway]

On 27 Aug 2020, at 8:09, Jim Cook wrote:

> Can anyone help by either replying with the default

(?i:attached|attaching|attachment|enclosed|enclosing|enclosure)

> or by saying how to restore default preferences?

defaults delete com.freron.MailMate MmMissingAttachmentsCheckRegexp

Cheers,
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Re: [MlMt] Can I view account password?

[Sam Hathaway]

On 30 Aug 2020, at 4:55, Thomas Bartlett via mailmate wrote:


"com.apple.Exchange.oath-refresh-token."


Thomas,

You mean, “oauth-refresh-token”, right?

If your account is using OAuth, your mail client won’t store the 
account password.


The keychain items that MailMate stores for my GMail account (which uses 
OAuth) are:


com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-token
com.freron.MailMate.Google.oauth-refresh-token

Neither of these contain my GMail password.

By contrast, for my FastMail account (which uses application passwords), 
MailMate stores these items in the keychain:


imap.fastmail.com
smtp.fastmail.com

These both contain the FastMail application password for my account.

Basically, if your provider uses OAuth, you’re SOL any you’ll 
probably have to reset your password.

-sam

P.S.: Why do you have so many email clients?! XD
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Re: [MlMt] Future of Markdown syntax in Mailmate

[Sam Hathaway]

I haven’t tried this, but you MIGHT be able to replace the Sundown 
binary inside MailMate.app with a symlink to the processor of your 
choice. It looks like Sundown takes markdown on stdin and emits HTML on 
stdout. It doesn’t appear to need any arguments. You may need to write 
a wrapper script to your favorite markdown processor to behave 
similarly.


On my system, MailMate’s embedded sundown binary is located at 
`/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/sundown`.


Good luck!
-sam

On 10 Aug 2020, at 6:44, Andreas Sahlbach wrote:


Hi!

I would like to ask (again), what are the plans of the mark down 
syntax in Mailmate? AFAIK the current markdown is based on 
[Sundown](https://github.com/vmg/sundown), which is deprecated since 
2012 without any fixes or active development.


Since 2012 there are a lot of improvements in the Markdown language 
and features and I saw several questions about supporting more 
markdown features in the mailing list. I myself would love to see 
github flavored markdown or even simple things like nested lists.


Are there any plans in doing improvements in this sector in Mailmate? 
Or opening up the interface so that the community can write its own 
plugins to enhance Mailmate?


I would love to continue to use Mailmate, since there are a lot of 
features that I love. But the lack of progress in this sector bugs me 
more and more, so I wrote this mail.


Best regards,

Andreas
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Re: [MlMt] ProtonMail or other IMAP server?

[Sam Hathaway]

I’ve found FastMail to be inexpensive and their service team has 
indeed been pleasant and responsive.

-sam

On 27 Jun 2020, at 17:17, Kimi Wei wrote:


Hi there,

Tried to onboard with MailMate a couple of years but couldn’t 
understand how to do it. I’m trying again.


Is ProtonMail good to use with MM as an IMAP server or are there other 
good alternatives? Good meaning not too costly and a pleasant and 
responsive service team.


TIA
Kimi

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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate fails to connect after awhile

[Sam Hathaway]

On 11 Jun 2020, at 11:02, Jan Erik Moström wrote:

for some reason Little Snitch started to pop up connection dialogs on 
the screen I rarely visit.


Glad to know I’m not the only one who this was happening to!
-sam
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Re: [MlMt] BusyCal bundle not working

[Sam Hathaway]

On 9 Jun 2021, at 10:26, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 31 May 2021, at 20:05, Sam Hathaway wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the bump on this, Zvi. I’m in the same boat. Works from the 
>> terminal but nothing happens from MailMate. (MailMate r5798 and BusyCal 
>> 3.12.6.1 on macOS 11.3.1.)
>
> I did fix a bug related to calendar bundles. Do you still have issues with 
> the latest test release? 
> [MailMate_r5813.tbz](https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5813.tbz)

Benny,

That fixed it. Thanks!
-sam
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