Marsha:
You still don't see why your equation doesn't add up? You still don't see the
problem with your reasoning? I thought I'd made it impossible to miss, even for
you. And what I did was neither a hissy-fit nor was it merely insulting. It was
a step-by-step explanation and, as usual, you
On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:33 PM, 118 wrote:
Hi Marsha,
No reason to be so defensive.
Marsha:
I was not getting a bit defensive. Why should I?
I am sure that you have read neti-neti, it
shows in your posts. All I am saying is that it is an insufficient rational
description. I can find
Dmb,
The mind reifies; that's the key to my understanding. Here again is my
definition of the Intellectual Level:
The Intellectual Level, the fourth level, is comprised of static patterns of
value such as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that these
patterns function
dmb,
As far as I know intellectual patterns are as I stated, and I have seen no
evidence to the contrary. Have you presented an intellectual pattern that
transcends a subject/object representation of reality, excluding art which may
use intellectual patterns but also makes use of inorganic,
discussion.
Never mind.
dmb
From: val...@att.net
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:52:55 -0400
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Step One
dmb,
As far as I know intellectual patterns are as I stated, and I have seen no
evidence to the contrary. Have you presented an intellectual
dmb to Marsha:
Intellect is what you're using to ask the question. It's just the ability to
skillfully handle concepts, abstractions, generalizations and the like.
Intellectual patterns are the products of that skill.
Andre:
What gets me every time I read Marsha's (apparently Buddhist
From: val...@att.net
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:52:55 -0400
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Step One
dmb,
As far as I know intellectual patterns are as I stated, and I have seen no
evidence to the contrary. Have you presented an intellectual pattern that
transcends
Marsha said to dmb:
... You want to think meditation is clap-trap, then don't excited with me that
you do not understand.
dmb says:
Typical. I can certainly count on you to misread everything. I posted a quote
saying that everyone meditates even if their culture tells them they don't. And
dmb,
Oh right! You didn't say anything. Too risky. Here what you wrote:
dmb says:
Yes, it's a refutation. I sincerely hope you'll think about it and come
to your own conclusions about what and how.
But here's a hint. The key words are meditation and clap-trap.
You
Hi dmb,
I am a little slow. Could you give me a definition for SOM? The shorter
the better, and I won't read between the lines. I may be operating under
false premises. If that is not possible, please direct me to a web site
that does.
Thanks,
Mark
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:15 AM, david
Marsha:
I never stated that the MoQ could be described by neti-neti. I was saying
to
Dan that all this talk it not Quality(Ultimate Truth).
I do not understand your complaint?
Mark:
My complaint was that I do not understand what you are saying. Could all
this talk be considered attempts at a
On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:03 PM, 118 wrote:
Marsha:
I never stated that the MoQ could be described by neti-neti. I was saying
to
Dan that all this talk it not Quality(Ultimate Truth).
I do not understand your complaint?
Mark:
My complaint was that I do not understand what you are saying.
Hey John,
I once asked a Zen Buddhist priest what the principle of Zen was, he said
Balance. So you got some friends in high places. Yea, rubbing shoulders, I
had nothing to do with it, just happened to be in the right place at the
right time, guess that's why I keep moving. Usually I am more
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:11 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.comwrote:
Mark said:
So, in the context of skilled interpreters, what is the mechanism by which
MOQ is crystalizing and growing? Certainly there should be boundaries or
rules of engagement which encompass the direction,
Dan:
Okay. So, my cats (subject) see a mouse (object) running through the
grass, catch it, and eat it. Are they using subjeect/object
metaphysics, or not?
Mark:
No, they are not. They are catching a mouse, there is no need for
subject/object metaphysics. When you are watching a movie, are you
On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:30 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:48 PM, 118 wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:29 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Dan Glover
If you insist on the phrase, formalised subject/object conceptual
framework, Marsha, then the model you
propose, is called science, and it is a sol-ution , not even a
somreasoning.Not that i disagree on developing the framework.
One of the problems this model contains, is in fact that the
Adrie,
Try to keep it sticking together, with you?
Marsha
On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:24 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
If you insist on the phrase, formalised subject/object conceptual
framework, Marsha, then the model you
propose, is called science, and it is a sol-ution , not even a
MarshaV aan moq_discuss
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Adrie,
Try to keep it sticking together, with you?
Marsha
- Tekst uit oorspronkelijke bericht weergeven -
Not sure if this question is to be meant sarcastic?, or an open end
question,..if you like to clarify?
Have to do some
I admire your attempts at being coherent. It was a compliment. Keep trying...
On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:39 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
MarshaV aan moq_discuss
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Adrie,
Try to keep it sticking together, with you?
Marsha
- Tekst uit
On Oct 19, 2010, at 3:21 PM, John Carl wrote:
Mark I'm glad you brought up Shlain, he has come up before and I think
Marsha's reading him, got about halfway through that book probably (me
too!).
Greetings Mark and John,
Hmmm. You are correct. I read about half way. It was
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:35 AM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Dan:
Okay. So, my cats (subject) see a mouse (object) running through the
grass, catch it, and eat it. Are they using subjeect/object
metaphysics, or not?
Mark:
No, they are not. They are catching a mouse,
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:21 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:30 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:48 PM, 118 wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:29 AM, MarshaV
On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:21 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:30 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:48
Hi , Mr Buchanan, The model Pirsig is advokating is based upon making
progress, So is Ant's model, it is based upon the case-evidence, the
material that is availiable,empirical knowledge that is already availiable,
and quality.
So your proposal here, (pluralism, possible fusion,perennialism,
Mark I'm glad you brought up Shlain, he has come up before and I think
Marsha's reading him, got about halfway through that book probably (me
too!).
When I read it, I ended up having to put it down because I got so excited
about the congruence with MoQ insights into classical and romantic
Greetings, adrie.
To the first part, I will simply take you to be chiming in with dan's
critique of my style. Ok. Got you. duly noted and when the audience is
unhappy, the tomatoes rain from the balconey even, then certainly the artist
must bow out, duck behind a curtain, stay off the stage.
Dan:
Okay. So, my cats (subject) see a mouse (object) running through the
grass, catch it, and eat it. Are they using subjeect/object
metaphysics, or not?
No, Metaphysics are of intellect, a uniquely human attribute. And since
intellect contains metaphysics, which contain definitions of
John Carl
aan moq_discuss
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Greetings, adrie.
To the first part, I will simply take you to be chiming in with dan's
critique of my style. Ok. Got you. duly noted and when the audience is
unhappy, the tomatoes rain from the balconey even, then
Oh, you're attempting coherence again. Good boy!
On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:59 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
John Carl
aan moq_discuss
details weergeven 19:23 (27 minuten geleden)
Greetings, adrie.
To the first part, I will simply take you to be chiming in with dan's
critique of
i have no intention what so ever , JC , to take steps to boot you out.
Neither by action or association with or without Dan, or DMB.
Your beef with DMB is your beef with DMB, not my case, not Dan's case.
your case, - deal with it.
2010/10/20 ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.com
John Carl
aan
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:21 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19,
I think you're overthinking a bit, Adrie. Something I have a lot of
experience doing so I recognized it immediately.
(Adrie)
Nope,engaging is not chiming in, and no, its not about Dan's critique on
your style.
Its about sneaking out on the presented subject, by deviating the
conversation
to
On Oct 20, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:21 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 4:55 PM,
John opined:
My opinion is that classifying the intellect is only possible with
differentiation and opposition. If there were no aspects, intellectual and
romantic, then the intellect would not realize intellect nor would the
romantic feel any good about love. See what I mean? In a sense,
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:37 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 20, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 20,
John said:
you
can shove your armpit up where the son don't shine.
Ron:
Saw a guy do that on youtube...
got banned
..
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Hi Guys,
This dialogue has got my head spinning, don't understand most of it. With
no intention of changing the subject, I wanted to respond on the following
part by John:
[John]
But if there is more to intellect than the classical definition of
intellect. If intellect, as I claim, includes
Hi guys, Following in , on the totality of this interaction,have to say,this
is shifting to very good qualitystuff.
very good material, intense and honestly.
Adrie
2010/10/19 Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com
Hello everyone
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:47 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com
On Oct 18, 2010, at 11:39 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Dan:
The intellectual level is just thinking, plain and simple. You know that,
John.
Marsha:
Aren't all patterns conceptually constructed? Wouldn't that make all levels
just thinking?
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On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:26 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 18, 2010, at 11:39 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Dan:
The intellectual level is just thinking, plain and simple. You know that,
John.
Marsha:
Aren't all patterns conceptually constructed? Wouldn't that
: ununocti...@gmail.com
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Step One
Hi dmb,
Perhaps you can answer this question I have been wondering about. Does the
use of the name Lila have anything to do with the sanskrit Lila? This would
be like the playground, or even Reality. Sometimes I
On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:26 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 18, 2010, at 11:39 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Dan:
The intellectual level is just thinking, plain and simple. You know that,
John.
Marsha:
Mark said to dmb:
My opinion is that once a book is written in the fictional realm, the author
releases himself from the character. The reader then interprets the
character as he sees fit. In this way, a character continues to grow. So,
I suppose it doesn't really matter what RMP meant,
On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:48 PM, 118 wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:29 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:26 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 18, 2010, at 11:39 PM, Dan Glover
Good morning, Dan. I feel rested and ready, which is good. You have
offered me a lot of response here and I appreciate the effort. And
projecting a bit, I feel you're pain!
I mean, you only have to deal with me on occasion, imagine what it's like
for me.
Thanks for bringing out the
Greetings Dan and all,
I glance ahead in my queue, and observe activity in this thread. What is
all the hullaballoo?
Dan:
Clowning around is being polite? So please and thank you are forms of
clowning around. I don't see it that way but if you say so...
Dang, if I was a professional
Mark I'm glad you brought up Shlain, he has come up before and I think
Marsha's reading him, got about halfway through that book probably (me
too!).
When I read it, I ended up having to put it down because I got so excited
about the congruence with MoQ insights into classical and romantic
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:29 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:26 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 18, 2010, at 11:39 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Dan:
The intellectual level
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:30 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 12:48 PM, 118 wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:29 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:26 AM,
John Carl aan moq_discuss
details weergeven 20:55 (2 uren geleden)
Greetings Dan and all,
I glance ahead in my queue, and observe activity in this thread. What is
all the hullaballoo?
Dan:
Clowning around is being polite? So please and thank you are forms of
clowning around. I don't see it
Mark said to dmb:
My opinion is that once a book is written in the fictional realm, the
author
releases himself from the character. The reader then interprets the
character as he sees fit. In this way, a character continues to grow.
So,
I suppose it doesn't really matter what RMP meant, he
Hello everyone
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:46 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Good morning, Dan. I feel rested and ready, which is good. You have
offered me a lot of response here and I appreciate the effort. And
projecting a bit, I feel you're pain!
I mean, you only have to
Dan said to John:
You'll have to forgive me, but if a friendship ended on account of what someone
wrote on an Internet discussion site, then that friendship wasn't all strong to
begin with. I mean, come on. Blaming dmb for that?
dmb says:
It does seem pretty ridiculous to blame me for your
Mark said:
So, in the context of skilled interpreters, what is the mechanism by which MOQ
is crystalizing and growing? Certainly there should be boundaries or rules of
engagement which encompass the direction, like the DNA of a seed defines
direction for the shape of the tree. Such
On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 3:41 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 16, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Dan:
Why would Bo deserve an apology? He was rude, insensitive, and left
the discussion of his own accord.
Hello everyone
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 12:50 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
mornin' Dan.
Dan:
Why would Bo deserve an apology? He was rude, insensitive, and left
the discussion of his own accord.
I never subscribed to the incessant arguing over what defines the
intellectual
Hello everyone
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 6:29 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Dan,
I missed a whole bunch more to comment upon and reply to.
Dan:
This discussion is centered around the MOQ. I write stories myself and
share them from time to time with the group but it is my
Hello Dan,
Dan:
I don't recall you trying to engage me on anything but the definition
of the intellectual level, which we both already know.
First off, I'm glad you actually do feel you have something to discuss with
me. Even though you said you didn't. I'll take it as a good thing you
Hello everyone
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:58 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Dan,
Dan:
I don't recall you trying to engage me on anything but the definition
of the intellectual level, which we both already know.
First off, I'm glad you actually do feel you have something
Hello Dan.
Well. (deep breath) Here goes.
Explaining yourself poorly, is not Quality in thought and expression
dan.
Are you admitting to some clowning of your own?
Dan:
Well, you are not getting what I am saying so I am being polite by
pointing the fault at myself.
Yes! Exactly!
Hello everyone
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 10:47 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Dan.
Well. (deep breath) Here goes.
Explaining yourself poorly, is not Quality in thought and expression
dan.
Are you admitting to some clowning of your own?
Dan:
Well, you are not getting
mess so maybe she's mostly just
Lila the bar lady, the one who wears too much bad perfume.
dmb
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:24:49 -0700
From: ununocti...@gmail.com
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Step One
Hi dmb,
Perhaps you can answer this question I have been wondering
lady, the one who wears too much bad perfume.
dmb
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:24:49 -0700
From: ununocti...@gmail.com
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Step One
Hi dmb,
Perhaps you can answer this question I have been wondering about. Does
the
use of the name Lila
On Oct 16, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Dan:
Why would Bo deserve an apology? He was rude, insensitive, and left
the discussion of his own accord.
Marsha:
Andre, the little friend you support, was pure rudeness with never an
intelligent thought of his own, other than his
mornin' Dan.
Dan:
Why would Bo deserve an apology? He was rude, insensitive, and left
the discussion of his own accord.
I never subscribed to the incessant arguing over what defines the
intellectual level. When I read LILA, I had no problem understanding
what Robert Pirsig was on about.
Dan said:
... I recall Mary getting upset that he would have an affair with a bar lady
while he was still married. And yet he told me himself that he was Lila, and
the boat, and the rest of the story as well. That's what I am driving at. You
are the story. How does your life pertain the MOQ.
Hello everyone
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 3:41 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 16, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Dan:
Why would Bo deserve an apology? He was rude, insensitive, and left
the discussion of his own accord.
Marsha:
Andre, the little friend you support, was
Hi dmb,
Perhaps you can answer this question I have been wondering about. Does the
use of the name Lila have anything to do with the sanskrit Lila? This would
be like the playground, or even Reality. Sometimes I have likened Lila to
Maya in a general way. I tried reading the book once with
Well, I'v been reading the edge of chaos in the archives.
Do you understand the word decoherence?
Mind this , i can see a very high intellect at the same time.
contemplate.
Hm, other forms of knowledge/bible.
The bible is not written by Jesus, nor by god,none of the value's within the
old or new
Thanks for sharing this one, Dan, so true,Dan:
This discussion is centered around the MOQ. I write stories myself and
share them from time to time with the group but it is my hope that
others may see the value there and how it pertains to the MOQ. I am
not an autobiographer. And I realize
ADRIE KINTZIGER aan moq_discuss
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Thanks for sharing this one, Dan, so true,Dan:
This discussion is centered around the MOQ. I write stories myself and
share them from time to time with the group but it is my hope that
others may see the value there and
Hi Andrie,
Yes, you may be correct, coherence is not one of my strong points. I also
do not wish to discuss religion, and only bring it up as a foil to your use
of science. I am more than happy to discuss based on logic. Just don't use
physics as if it really proves something in metaphysics.
Is your father native Dutch or indodutch or an islander from
Bonaire/Curacao?
My mother is Dutch, i'm a Belgian, been in The Hague many times , also in
S'Gravenhage, Heilo, etc.
I live on 1.5 mile of the Dutch border.
Physiks/metaphysiks, you cannot have a metaphysikal world without a physikal
My father was born and raised in Holland, attended Leiden University.
Fought in the Dutch underground as a teenager. I do have ancestors from
Surinam. I love the french fries met sauce in Belgium. I lived in a
community called Marlot, which was near Wasenaar, not too far from
Scheveningen
Yes, tought is was fitting, Surinam of course, at first i was thinking
towards Bonaire/aruban.
I know Wassenaar and Scheveningen well, best beach of the entire world out
there.
The fries are national food in Belgium, and originate from here, the name
french fries is a distortion, because Belgium
Hi Andrie,
Yes, Dutch Underground. My father has many stories, and there are books on
the subject. And yes, fought, he carried a gun. They went by code names,
my father's was Lange Jan (because of his height at 6'6''). Many of his
friends were killed at Allied supply drop-offs done by air.
Hello everyone
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:15 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.com wrote:
ADRIE KINTZIGER aan moq_discuss
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Thanks for sharing this one, Dan, so true,Dan:
This discussion is centered around the MOQ. I write stories myself and
Thx for the reply ,Dan, yes i was aware of the refused permission, strange
case, caught my attention.
I will study your answer tomorrow, probably in the evening , the
huntingseason started out here.
I have to go out, shoot some ducks.
2010/10/16 Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com
Hello everyone
Hi Dan,
Dan (previously):
I think Mr. Pirsig tells Anthony McWatt that LILA was originally
conceived as a case study of what is known as Joshu's koan: A monk
asks: Does a dog have Buddha nature, or not? Chao-chou replied: He
does not. Yet according to Buddhist teachings, everything has Buddha
Hello everyone
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 4:48 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dan,
Dan (previously):
I think Mr. Pirsig tells Anthony McWatt that LILA was originally
conceived as a case study of what is known as Joshu's koan: A monk
asks: Does a dog have Buddha nature, or not?
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote:
Dan:
I enjoy humor so don't get me wrong... but there's a difference
between being humorous and being a clown. I enjoy our discussions very
much. Yet there are times when we have to peel back the onion (so to
speak) to
Hello everyone
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:35 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote:
Dan:
I enjoy humor so don't get me wrong... but there's a difference
between being humorous and being a clown. I enjoy our
Hello Dan,
I missed a whole bunch more to comment upon and reply to.
Dan:
This discussion is centered around the MOQ. I write stories myself and
share them from time to time with the group but it is my hope that
others may see the value there and how it pertains to the MOQ. I am
not an
On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:40 PM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
John, Dan,
It seems there are differing aspects of Quality being discussed.
The arguement focusing on which types of Quality are best.
While
Ron:
concerning the ego climber, who is it that asserts the ego more?
the one examing the self and defining it with their values or the one
denying it exists?
is not denial of self one of the most insidious acts of selfishness?
Dan:
Hi Ron
I don't know for sure, but I would say that the
Hello everyone
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote:
On Oct 14, 2010, at 11:12 PM, Dan Glover wrote:
Hello everyone
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:40 PM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
John, Dan,
It seems there are differing aspects of Quality being discussed.
Hello everyone
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:07 AM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Ron:
concerning the ego climber, who is it that asserts the ego more?
the one examing the self and defining it with their values or the one
denying it exists?
is not denial of self one of the most
Ron:
this harmony of self extends to all experience
this self pervades all
for Quality is indeed reality
-Ron
really
Dan:
Perhaps. Still, what is a clean person? And why aren't all people
clean? Do they not see the harmony? You say it pervades all. I don't
understand.
Ron:
I tried to
Ron,
What a treat. A discovery is a wonder indeed. How can you be so apropos?
I shake my head in wonder,
John
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:06 PM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
John:
Ego can be tricky, Dan.
I think I'll try step Two. I think I'll keep climbing this mountain. I
may
Hello Everyone,
Dan:
Quite possible. But if your style is being a clown, then we have very
little to discuss. I tend to suffer fools poorly... that's my style.
Understood. I've been certainly told many times in my life, we have very
little to discuss and I've believed it every time. Takes
Dan said to Ron:
I don't know for sure, but I would say that the selfless existence doesn't mean
denying the self so much as it means realizing the self doesn't exist in light
of the Buddha's teachings.
dmb says:
William James says that consciousness is not a thing or an entity but exists as
Hi Dave,
But this is fucking zen of you Dave.
i'm aware of the lightcircle experiment, was done for the first time by John
Hedgecoe , a famous English fotographer.
Hm, the Holographic analogy, strange you mention it in a nerd-context ,
strange , because the pioneers work from one of your
Hi Andrie,
Spoken like a true preacher, yes even preachers can build lasers. Now, get
out of your pulpit and contemplate.
Yes, light can be described by waves or particles. The key word is
described. One can use physics to describe reality in the same way the
bible can describe God. There is
Hello everyone
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:38 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Everyone,
Dan:
Quite possible. But if your style is being a clown, then we have very
little to discuss. I tend to suffer fools poorly... that's my style.
Understood. I've been certainly told
Hello Dan,
You're mostly right, so it's a shock when you can be so wrong.
Dan comments:
The shock that Phaedrus is talking about is that moment you discover
that you don't know what you think you know. The student knows what
quality is. Everyone knows what quality is. But when confronted
John:
Ego can be tricky, Dan.
I think I'll try step Two. I think I'll keep climbing this mountain. I may
be doing it all wrong, with my clowning, but if you ask me, the only way you
get to the top is by enjoying the process.
Ron:
One of my fav's
acts of selfishness?
-Ron
-Ron
- Original Message
From: John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Sent: Wed, October 13, 2010 11:00:16 PM
Subject: [MD] Step One
Assign the question to the students. Have them write 500 words
about what quality is in thought
Hello everyone
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:55 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Dan,
You're mostly right, so it's a shock when you can be so wrong.
Hi John
Well, at least you're shocked. That's a start.
Dan comments:
The shock that Phaedrus is talking about is that moment
Hello everyone
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:40 PM, X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com wrote:
John, Dan,
It seems there are differing aspects of Quality being discussed.
The arguement focusing on which types of Quality are best.
While re-examining the root, as Dan suggests, can elimenate alot
of
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