If you are using 99SE, place a part and then left click on it. Up pops a
menu. Click on Properties. Then check the Hidden Pins checkbox. This will
make the power pins show on the schematic. Then you can explicity tie them
to any power port you want.
Be careful that when annotation occurs,
There is Parity memory and there is ECC memory,
but when the buyers always want the cheapest ...
You don't really expect a 500$ PC to have all the stuff
that is built into a 5000$ machine, do you ?
I expect reliability from everything I buy, no matter how cheap or expensive
it is.
Hey guys:
Can't you panelize the PCB in CAMtastic?
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:26 AM
Subject: Re:
Please don't forget that
other are still getting a lot of use out of 74xx series of ICs and
related
devices.
Right on! And don't forget analog ICs with multiple parts in them, such as
LM324, LM339, etc.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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Jeff:
I have seen Protel crash with similar access violation messages when, during
Protel startup, you switch the focus to another application while Protel is
scanning files. This happened to me last week. For some reason, the day
after, it was healed and didn't do it anymore.
If that
So why am I putting up with my aging K6-450? Inertia. Not much else. Well,
it's always a major interruption to install everything on a new system,
get
the network talking sense, etc
True! This is one on-going problem the PC industry has ignored. As long as
they continue to ignore this
I can't manage 2 hours on my win 2k box without BSOD
unless of course I don't touch it.
In fact just booting up the machine is hit and miss,
about 25% of the time it crashes before it finishes booting,
try and save something, crash, try to open a file, crash
try to type in a URL, crash.
I miss
Oh boy, a chance to stir the Windows/Linux pot!
But seriously:
We use both Linux and Windows 9X, 2K. Linux is used so far only as the LAN
server/gateway. All of the desktop work is done on Windows. Linux is a
great server OS, but still needs a lot of GUI and API work before it can be
a
Has any of the *nix users here tried protel under VMware ?? as I have been
I think you still need a copy of Windows to run Windows apps under VMware
when you run VMware hosted on Linux.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From:
I liked being able to do pin swapping in v2.8. This was useful when
manually routing a PCB and optimizing the layout for no signals crossing
over/under other signals. I could assign connector pinouts on the fly by
swapping connector pins. Of course, the schematic has to be updated
afterwards.
You can still pin swap, one good way, one not so good way.
Good way: edit the pins to interchange the net assignments. Then run the
synchronizer preview and write the report to file (rt-click on the screen
of the macro list to bring up the options). Then cancel it.
Yeah, that's the way I do
I have a Compaq IPAQ x86 Family 6 Model 6, 196meg RAM, Norton AntiVirus,
Stop right there! The Compaq may be your problem. I had a Compaq Presario
4640 once. What a piece of junk! I swore I would never buy another Compaq
product again. Only Compaq would take a perfectly good Pentium II CPU
Jeff:
If there is any way you can get your IT dept. to agree to this, do it:
1) Find a local PC shop that also builds, maintains, and warranties Linux
servers.
2) Get them to build you a standard white box PC with your choice of CPU,
RAM, video, and storage.
3) Tell them to load Windows 2000
Is there any other way I can read this job file into Protel? Also does
anyone remember version 2.8 reading job files or did it read ASCII files
only?
Well, I remember Protel v2.8 just like it was yesterday. And it was,
practically. I upgraded from v2.8 to 99SE late last year. Skipped PCB
Explain why a fresh re-install of 2000 + sp2, then Protel +sp6 crashes on
several operations, even on first run.
Explain why printing on one machine with exactly the same graphics card,
graphics drivers, print drivers etc. works fine. On the new one it does
not,
if it prints at all, many
Actually, the high speed digital testers employed by the memory
manufacturers FULLY test memory modules over their rated speed
and voltage ranges. Usually any problems that occur after the
module leaves the factory are due to handling, installation or
motherboard related issues (timing,
On the other hand, today we have carpal tunnel syndrome and I got a frozen
left shoulder from hours of having my left hand hovering over the keyboard
while the right hand moved the mouse. Don't try this one at home, it took
a
year of physical therapy to unfreeze the shoulder.
Abdul, have you
How large is large for you? I use the 99SE autorouter for my large
designs, but not for small designs. It takes a lot of practice and
trial/error to figure out how to set up the autorouting rules for each
board. And each board may take different rules. You just have to have
patience.
I've never have used autorouters. I'm from the old school, where I cut my
teeth with hand taping.
Ouch, that must have hurt! Personally, I have my dentist do my dental work.
;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: http://www.bagotronix.com
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I've never have used autorouters. I'm from the old school, where I cut my
teeth with hand taping.
Fortunately, I never had to use the mylar tape layout. But I have manually
routed quite a few boards. Until the Protel AR came along, I never did
autorouting, because the few autorouters I had
. what rules did you find significant playing
around with? Just being curious ...
Regards,
Gisbert Auge
N.A.T. GmbH
Bagotronix Tech
Support An: Protel EDA Forum
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techsupport@bagotKopie
Regarding the questions about 3D and autorouter, what parts of Protel do
you actually use?
- Schematic YES
- PCB YES
- Powerprint YES
- CAM Manager YES
- Simulator NO, but I may soon. I think this is an important feature.
- Autorouter YES, needs improvement
- 3D Viewer NO, not until it
Sorry, didn't mean to offend you, just laughing at how much some people
write in their response's.
It seems that when I come in to work in the morning, I spend ages
ploughing through all the emails.
Good luck on your recovery, though!!
No offense taken. If you don't want to spend time
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions
At 03:13 PM 11/12/01 -0500, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote
all have far too much spare time on your hands!!!
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From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 13 November 2001 19:32
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] ATS Specifications, Terms and Conditions
Having your house cleaned is a service
What is realistic is the barbed shaft (tailored just for us) that some
predatory software vendors are lobbying for via the UCTAI. Among
other things, here is what they want:
-Legalize remote turnoff of users' software (check out MS XP)
-Ban unfavorable reviews of software
I don't have help for you, but maybe I have help for him.
If the reason he won't use schematic capture is that he thinks optimum
placement and routing is achieved by placing and routing, then figuring out
the schematic later, I have a suggestion for him. I have had to do
something like this
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the software as a service
concept. In fact, properly implemented, it could be an improvement over
the
more common product concept.
Having your house cleaned is a service. Having your yard mowed is a
service. What these 2 examples DO NOT have in
What a huge mass of confusion this ATS nonsense has caused. I now know
nothing about the future of Protel or its products, whereas before all this
I *thought* I knew there was a PCB software provider that provided free
services packs and tech support, and I could choose whether or not and when
I have seen it happen a dozen times...
Company X offers goods and or services for $$ and has % of marketplace
Company X tries to increase its profit per good or service by adding value
added service (VAD)!
Customers of Company X claim $$ + VAD is too much despite quality of
good or
Screw them all if that's where the s/w world is heading. Windows2000 (and
Office 2000) is pretty damn good and so is Protel (even though the router
isn't close to state of the art)
I, too, refuse to accept the .NET/XP scheme of time-limited
remote-deactivated licensing, and the slightly less
So now, how we buy and upgrade CAD software is to be determined by tax law?
UGH! Tax law is an evil that touches all things...
Software maintenance: what a ludicrous concept. Did the software wear out?
Did the software break? Hah!
I cast my vote for free service packs and e-mail/phone
But for how long? Until they have another support policy change?
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: Wayne Bickers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:32 PM
Subject: [PEDA] None
The last time I did my own taxes (about 2 years ago), you could take Section
179 expense deduction up to $19,000 in that tax year. This means you don't
have to do the depreciation schedule for anything you can expense off. Of
course, if you have more than $19K of purchases, you must either hold
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2000 rules. Microsoft finally learned how to write a good OS! Very
Otherwise a zero-ohm resistor is very cheap, requires no special process
or
attention, and has other advantages with regard to potential modifications
of the short character to add resistance or inductance.
We use zero-ohm resistors for jumpers too. It eliminates second guessing by
all
I tried virtual shorts once but they were too drafty ; )
In the 80's I used to work in the service dept. of a traffic equipment
maker. We had to repair new equipment that had plenty of real shorts
caused by faulty etching of PCBs (electrical test? - we didn't need no
stinkin' electrical test).
Lloyd:
If you mean the old PADS-PCB for DOS, here is how I have done it in the
past.
First, you need the PADS files to be saved in ASCII format. There is a
File, Save, Ascii, All option in one of the menus. If the files you have
are not saved in ASCII, then you must get the PADS program and
-Original Message-
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2001 8:22
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: [PEDA] 99SE manual routing problem
Hello, all:
When manually routing, the shortcut key '/' does not work. Therefore
My point was only that the EBC, AK, GDS is redundant and stupid on
the schematic because the symbols convey the function of each pin already.
Holding only the printed schematic in your hand, the EBC, GDS and AK
conveys
what information that you didn't already know from the symbol? What does
In any case, I'm generating a list of possible reply addresses for a
potent deinculsion request addresses at ibsystems by PEDA members. More to
come...
A friend of mine uses a technique for determining who sells junk mail
(postal) mailing lists. When he fills out any warranty registration
All I want for Christmas is:
I wish someone would design a virus that affects only e-mail spam
origination computers. The virus would cause these computers to melt down
into a puddle of bubbling silicon and epoxy. A modified version of it using
touch tones could be used to melt down the
Try putting a no-erc directive marker on each unconnected pin. The no-erc
marker looks like a red X.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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From: Ken Pelic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: KerryArtesyn
These topics seem to come up frequently:
1) How to panelize
2) How to create odd-shaped PCBs, holes, and slots
3) How to create jumper PCB tracks
4) How to create fuse PCB tracks
5) How to create PCB spark gaps
These topics should be FAQ'ed on our hypothetical website. You know, the
one
Sorry, folks, I didn't mean to send that attachment to the Forum!
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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On 05:50 PM 8/16/2001 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
Sorry, folks, I didn't mean to send that attachment to the Forum!
HA! Thanks to the diligence of our sponsor, it didn't get thru (yet)
Seriously, Ivan, I think Mark K. is being a kindly soul and blocking
attachments
and saved them. Not that it would have done me any good. We did keep the
original
design files and stored them in the company fire proof safe. BUT, some
idiot decided
to clean up the safe and through them out, along with other vital stuff!!!
Well then, put it someplace safe from the
Hello, all:
I got a strange message when exiting Protel 99SE today. The message is:
Program error
Client99SE.exe has generated errors and will be closed by
Windows. You will need to restart the program.
An error log is being created.
Using W2K with no Protel problems until now. Anyone know
.
On 11:55 AM 8/9/2001 -0400, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
Seen it. sporadic, so again attributed to the program's
idiosyncrasies,
perhaps some more of that boasting about 10 minutes for a day's work
thingy I just read about in another postg
Dubious claim?: It takes only 10 minutes
Hello, all:
Anyone got a CompactFlash socket SMT PCB footprint they can pass on to me?
Or if not, any recommendations of a brand/part number?
Anything going on with that discussion thread 2 weeks ago about a public
domain PCB footprint website/list/whatever? Did the instigators of that
other
Whenever I do a demo for other programmers such as C++ guys or whoever,
they are astonished that I do in 10 minutes what takes them a day.
This is what applies to the viual stuff. Obviously when doing nonvisual,
such
as processing multiple linked data structures, it is the same as any other
Jeff:
99SE does not crash daily for me, but it still does crash once in a while.
I have noticed that if you try to place a BIG part that sometimes Protel
will lock up into a loop, still doing timed backups, but not doing anything
intelligent with the keystrokes and mouse activity you are giving
Hello, all:
Here are some more suggestions for Protel's name change, from the periodic
table:
CADmium - a toxic metal used in batteries that are always dead when you need
them most, and exhibit a memory effect (like Protel software remembers bugs
from previous versions)
Cesium - what Protel
things didn't
seem to think about the UI and used standard UIs from the Calma or Unix
'vi'
days.
Perhaps another solution: now, I am not saying that Protel should open
it's
code doors... we need to pay them money to give us tech support ;-)...
however, they should do a complete rewrite (start
We are now ready to take the next step in realizing this vision and are
excited to announce our new corporate identity. As of August 6th 2001,
Protel International Limited, with its close association to the Protel PCB
design tool, will change to ALTIUM LIMITED.
Excellent! Just what I have been
Tim:
Keep in mind that only a resistor can absorb. A PCB trace cannot absorb
anything. If you really need a reflection absorbed at the source, you
really need a resistor to absorb it. Remember that when impedances are
specified as one simple number (i.e. 50 ohm), that it is really the
Now I just need to wait for 0201's to follow this
price prediction and I'll be happy :-)
Just go to the supermarket and buy some ground black pepper. It's cheaper!
But it's resistance probably changes with humidity ;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
Hello, all:
I am trying to open an Orcad DSN file into Protel 99SE with no success. The
message I get is:
Error reading Orcad Cache!
Try to Cleanup Cache first!
Any idea what that means and how to work around it? Or is this another
Protel advertised feature that doesn't really work?
I don't
WOW! What a melee!
I am Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated.
(origin unknown)
Is this approximating a constructive process? If so, it's off by several
orders of magnitude.
Seriously, I cast my vote (if I have one) for the following:
1) website-hosted
It should be noted that the Protel ASCII format is not only text based,
but
it is self-documenting. All the records and fields are named wherever they
occur. The library format is binary only, but one could import parts to a
PCB file and then create a library from the PCB file.
True, but I
I believe CDs only have a finite life also. Does anyone know how long?
The number I have heard mentioned is 10-20 years for writable optical media,
and 50-100 years for stamped optical media. Of course, no one knows for
sure because these technologies aren't that old yet.
But for magnetic
You may prefer but the vast majority if people responding do not want
another mail list it seems...
Mr. Wilson, we know, is allergic to new lists and only accepts them with
difficulty. However, there will need to be a *lot* of detailed discussion,
I don't think a new list is needed to
i've got that quote you asked for. you know 15 .lbs of sh*t in a ziploc
sandwich bag. we can do that for free and it has a half life of 33 million
years.
A half-life of 33 million years. That's some powerful sh*t...
;-)
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website:
not a
sufficient disclaimer anymore?
The tech industry has focused their reuse goal too high. They contrive
all kinds of convoluted software languages and schemes to reuse code, and
overlook a million smaller, more attainable items that are practical
candidates for reuse. PCB footprints
file to
email it. That way I can fax a print
Brad Velander,
Lead PCB Designer,
Norsat International Inc.,
#300 - 4401 Still Creek Dr.,
Burnaby, B.C., V5C 6G9.
Tel. (604) 292-9089 direct
Fax (604) 292-9010
website www.norsat.com
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From: Bagotronix Tech
one last thought on this
it may not matter what footprint you use because when you really get
rolling and really need the chips they won't be available
it is Maxim you know :)
Yeah, they stink when it comes to parts availability. Their parts are
great, if you can get 'em. I try to avoid
Hello, all:
I got the info about the uMAX10 land pattern that I needed. Some kind folks
on the Protel group helped me. Thanks.
Best regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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At the 1999 PCB east conference I learned about the 20H rule. This rule
simply put states that EMI can be substantially reduced by keeping the
power planes back from the edge of the ground planes by 20 time the
dielectric thickness between the two planes. This would be a lot easier
to
Hello, all:
I am trying to decide what video card to buy in my new PC (Athlon, DDR). I
would like to know what cards are stable and fast for use with 99SE and
Win2K. Also, I would like to know what cards to avoid.
My local PC shop will use any card I specify, but is recommending the Elsa
I would like to make a brief comment about hiding power pins. I have
been
burned. My advice to anyone who thinks this is a good idea is don't do
it.
Show everything where nothing is assumed to be connected.
I second this motion!
Which snake are you more likely to get bitten by: the one
Of course. Every company must have standards. But any engineer who is
confused by hidden pins is either new or has not been paying attention.
Newbies and Out-To-Lunch'ies are very common in our industry. We were all
newbies once. Hopefully we were never OTL's.
Do you get a kick out of
Hello, all:
I have purchased the upgrade to Protel 99SE. It has been sitting in the box
for about 3 months now, waiting for my new computer hardware to arrive. The
old computer (circa 1996 Dell) can't run 99SE. Not enough RAM (64MB, can't
add more).
I decided to go with a dual P-III PC133
Congratulations on the new computer! Just for curiosity's sake, how much
RAM did you get installed? (By now, you know what I think on the subj...)
I haven't decided between 512MB or 1GB yet, but I probably will go with 1GB,
since I won't be able to upgrade it 2 years from now (PC133 SDRAM
I tie unused pins to VCC or GND depending on which is the easiest net to
reach for that given pin. For example, if I am routing traces for a 74HC14
hex inverter, and I don't use 5 of the inverters, I tie the inputs of the
unused gates on the pin 1 side of the chip to GND, and the inputs of
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