How to kill open Email and help Mark Zuckerberg etc (was: Mod: HTML use (was: Delay when creating new message))
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 at 11:24 Marck Pearlstone wrote re Mod: HTML use (was: Delay when creating new message) > Please do not send HTML messages to the list except with such messages, the open Netnews was kind of killed and the closed shop Twitter established. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delay when creating new message
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 at 03:11 Thomas Fernandez wrote re Delay when creating new message You'll just have to believe me. Then stay away, do it your own way, but stop complaining that the reforming of several megabytes of HTML code does take time. What you complain about, is all of your own making. Bye bye. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delay when creating new message
Hello everybody, on Montag, 11. Mai 2020 at 16:24 Thomas Fernandez wrote re Delay when creating new message While replying to an HTML message, quoting should be done by BLOCKQUOTE, not by TABLE https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1217 Bugnore added to the second one. is that you, with the user name "tombkk"? I can't see any relation to the issue reported in #1217. But from what you wrote there, I guess that your problem with delays creating a reply is the bad habit to copy the full correspondence with each single message which has ever been sent in this thread, unabridged with all the images etc. I consider this a very unpolite habit. Imagine you are sitting together in a conference, and each person, after delivering her or his contribution, repeats all those contributions which the others have made before, including all the grammatical errors and eh and ahm and what have you. One should only copy what is needed to understand which part of the received message one is replying to. Then you will have no delays before you can start writing. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delay when creating new message
Hello everybody, on Montag, 11. Mai 2020 at 11:57 Andrew Savchenko wrote re Delay when creating new message > Monday, May 11, 2020, 6:55:06 PM, you wrote: >> but the Procrustean bed of creating nested HTML TABLEs I mean these items: HTML viewer does not render BLOCKQUOTE https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1216 While replying to an HTML message, quoting should be done by BLOCKQUOTE, not by TABLE https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1217 Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delay when creating new message
Hello everybody, on Montag, 11. Mai 2020 at 05:00 Thomas Fernandez wrote re Delay when creating new message > My normal setting is to reply to HTML mails in HTML (to not offend my > business partners by cutting out their corporate identity in all its > glory). I do reply — as in this case — only with quoting those pieces of text which are relevant to understand what I am replying to. Either by marking that piece of text, or cutting out everything not needed; this concerns certainly images including company logos. > I do believe that there is something in the HTML code that > caused the TB HTML editor to choke but I have not reported it because > I cannot put my finger on it. Does not happen will all business > partners' emails. Creating a HTML message is certainly slower than plain text. Especially with TheBat! not using proper quotes, but the Procrustean bed of creating nested HTML TABLEs (shudder — one of the reasons why I do not recomment TheBat to others). Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delay when creating new message
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 at 18:37 Marck Pearlstone wrote re Delay when creating new message LW>> Besides, for writing and sending a message, this goes via SMTP, LW>> not IMAP4, just as also POP3 is only for receiving. > Ah - you'd have thought so. Except... the outbound message is > originally created in the Outbox IMAP folder as a draft message. Only > the completed message will be sent via SMTP. I found the test message which I sent today in MESSAGES.TBB in OUTBOX directory of the IMAP account on my PC. But it is not visible from TheBat! But no recent entry concerning IMAP in the ACCOUNT_LOG.TXT of that account. I have set that IMAP account to connect to the IMAP server only when I explicitely ask to connect. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delay when creating new message
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 at 15:35 Andrew Savchenko wrote re Delay when creating new message >> This shows a lot of activity reading and writing the account_log.txt > I have no such file. There should be one in each subdirectory per account, there where your mail is kept, in the subdirectories INBOX, OUTBOX, SENT, TRASH, and fils ACCOUNT.*** with *** being CFN, FLB, HIS, M_D, M_R, QTB, RND, SRB, and VCF (some of these might be obsolete). In the directory pointed to by HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Ritlabs\The Bat!\Working Directory Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Delay when creating new message
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 10. Mai 2020 at 14:50 Marck Pearlstone wrote re Delay when creating new message > I've checked logs but see nothing to indicate a struggle. > 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP - Connecting to IMAP server > mail.silverstones.com on port 143 > 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP - Connected to IMAP server > (mail.silverstones.com) >>10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP - silverstones.com IMAP4rev1 MDaemon 8.0.3 ready > 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP - Authenticating (user: > "ma...@silverstones.com", method: "LOGIN")... > 10/05/2020, 13:16:40: IMAP - IMAP server authentication OK, server says > "LOGIN completed" > 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP - Connecting to IMAP server > mail.silverstones.com on port 143 > 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP - Connected to IMAP server > (mail.silverstones.com) >>10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP - silverstones.com IMAP4rev1 MDaemon 8.0.3 ready > 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP - Authenticating (user: > "ma...@silverstones.com", method: "LOGIN")... > 10/05/2020, 13:16:46: IMAP - IMAP server authentication OK, server says > "LOGIN completed" > 10/05/2020, 13:17:28: IMAP - Disconnected I wonder why your system is not logged in to IMAP all the time, and then why there TheBat! is logging in to the IMAP4 server twice within 6 seconds. Besides, for writing and sending a message, this goes via SMTP, not IMAP4, just as also POP3 is only for receiving. I just created and sent a message via one of my IMAP accounts, just for testing, and there was no need to connect via IMAP4. No delay at all in creating the message and sending it. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Real names not displayed correctly
Hello everybody,
on Donnerstag, 7. Mai 2020 at 16:06 Thomas Fernandez
wrote
re Real names not displayed correctly
Why don't you contact them?
qq.com is actually made by Tencent: http://www.tencent.com/en-us/index.html
Yes, and Tencent is one of the biggest tech companies in the world.
Comparable to Google. I also can't understand why people chose Google Mail
to let the data collectors gather information on with whom and how frequently
the customer exchanges mails.
In capitalism: TANSTAAFL = There is no such thing as a free lunch. When you
don't pay with money, you pay with your data, i.e. your privacy.
BTW, GMX is only one service and brand of United Internet, others are 1&1,
Web.de, Strato, Drillisch, and others. See de.wikipedia
They will certainly listen to me when I tell them that they need to change
their RFC-headers.
I just went through a month-long discussion with GMX, the biggest email
provider in Europe, about one of their settings. The end was that they finally
understood that there is something wrong with their settings, and that they
will relay it to their tech department (of course I could only talk to customer
service). I am a paying customer there.
I had the same experience; they are very arrogant there. But both our
experiences show that perseverance pays. GMX/Web.de had wrong settings so that
relatives of me could not send mail to a common friend of us in an african
country. Even quoting relevant rules from RFCs didn't convince them. They
finally corrected the error when I told them that their error was not a problem
for me, since my main email account is on T-Online, and I am forwarding mail
from my GMX-only relatives.
GMX are most likely a microscopic company compared to Tencent. I don't have any
comparison figures for QQ Mail, but would not be surprised if they could
swallow GMX many times over in terms of number of users.
At least, long after my complaints, they stopped adding a second PDF of 168
kb with the same file name as the actual invoice. So they change, but only in
snail speed.
As to the Tencent problem: Here is the relevant rule from RFC5322, which is
probably the current version of the original RFC822
(https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5322.txt) :
> 3.4. Address Specification
>
>Addresses occur in several message header fields to indicate senders
>and recipients of messages. An address may either be an individual
>mailbox, or a group of mailboxes.
>
>address = mailbox / group
>
>mailbox = name-addr / addr-spec
>
>name-addr = [display-name] angle-addr
>
>angle-addr = [CFWS] "<" addr-spec ">" [CFWS] /
>obs-angle-addr
>
>group = display-name ":" [group-list] ";" [CFWS]
>
>display-name= phrase
>
>mailbox-list= (mailbox *("," mailbox)) / obs-mbox-list
>
>address-list= (address *("," address)) / obs-addr-list
>
>group-list = mailbox-list / CFWS / obs-group-list
>
>A mailbox receives mail. It is a conceptual entity that does not
>necessarily pertain to file storage. For example, some sites may
>choose to print mail on a printer and deliver the output to the
>addressee's desk.
>
>Normally, a mailbox is composed of two parts: (1) an optional display
>name that indicates the name of the recipient (which can be a person
>or a system) that could be displayed to the user of a mail
>application, and (2) an addr-spec address enclosed in angle brackets
Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany
using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA)
OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1)
CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+
MEM: 4097 MB
'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Real names not displayed correctly
Hello everybody, on Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 at 15:38 Thomas Fernandez wrote re Real names not displayed correctly > One of the biggest email providers in the biggest country of the world > (by population) is more than just "a single mail server". Sorry. Still just one mailserver. But ... could it be that the culprit is not the SMTP-Server but the mail program of your correspondent? Is there a "X-mailer" header in the mail? > But maybe you can talk to their postmaster and tell them they have to > change their settings, I am sure they will listen to your wisdom. In > the meantime, I cannot use TheBat when doing business with them. Why don't you contact them? qq.com is actually made by Tencent: http://www.tencent.com/en-us/index.html Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address
Hello everybody, on Montag, 13. April 2020 at 13:19 Thomas Fernandez wrote re Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address I don't have "Reply to all with highlighted text" in the context menu or in any other menu. There is one more step in between: select "Message" or so in the Context Menu, and in there should be found "send to all with highlighted text" (all my retranslations from German). Ceterum censeo ... my demand old of several years: Get rid of F4 and copy into the reply just those parts which are highlighted. Any Windows program including those written in Delphy can check it some part of the pane's content is selected or not, and then take the selected part. There is absolutely no need to have different keys for replying with and without quote. That this is not tackeled even it is so simple and such an improvement is one of the reasons why I do not recommend other people to switch to TheBat! I am just stuck with it... Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address
Hello everybody, on Montag, 13. April 2020 at 07:22 Thomas Fernandez wrote re Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address You edited the actual mailbox address, not the free form name: Well, I changed it to michaela (I have no tom in my addressbook ), and TB made a suggestion that I would have to click on. If I don't click on it, the email goes to michaela@extrasensory, see attached. Try to repeat what I did to check: Highlight this part of text, then select from the context menu "Reply to all with highlighted text" (or so, my retranslation from German), then begin to correct in the free form name, before the mailbox address, my first name from "Lüko" to something more common. You will find that the whole address, including my mailbox address is being replaced by an entry from your address book. And since my address is not in your address book, it is not offered in the list to correct this auto-complete. No way back! Autocomplete when in a reply editing a TO or CC address copied by TheBat from the mail being replied to should never be done, only when adding an additional recipient's address. Got it? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 at 11:09 Thomas Fernandez wrote re Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address I use it a lot and like the auto-complete, so no bug. Autocomplete is nice for entering a new address from scratch. But it is a bug, when I want to only change a little bit in the free form name, and suddenly get a completely different address, without any means to restore the mailbox address from the mail I am replying to. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug? Automatic fill in of recipients address
Hello everybody, on Montag, 6. April 2020 at 14:43 Gunivortus Goos wrote re Bug? > Quite regularly, I redirect messages to someone, actually each time > the same person / mailaddress. > Sometimes just typing the first few letters, the whole emailaddress > appears and I can click: Send. > But at other times, this does not happen and I have to type the whole > emailaddress. I experience even worse problems with the opposite — quite often, when I do a REPLY, I want to edit the free form name of the TO-recipient, and then TheBat! uses the few letters I am typing in to look up an address in the address book, and replaces the whole address by the one picked up from the book. No revert of that change possible. That is really nasty. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Transfer TheBat + Mail Base to new PC?
Hello Greg Strong, and the rest of us: on Dienstag, 31. Dezember 2019 at 04:14 Greg Strong wrote re Transfer TheBat + Mail Base to new PC? > What is the best way to transfer the program AND the mail base to a new > PC? Just install TheBat! on the new PC and then copy the mail-directory with all the mail store and auxiliary elements like filters etc from the old to the new PC. To locate your mail directory look in the registry at the value of HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Working Directory Any other suggestions? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 - direct links to www.ritlabs.com
Hello everybody, on Montag, 16. September 2019 at 07:26 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 - direct links to www.ritlabs.com This would be my choice > https://www.ritlabs.com/images/2019-09-16-screenshots/RegularMenu1.png Probably rather not > https://www.ritlabs.com/images/2019-09-16-screenshots/Ribbon.png I guess that like in MS Office, each menu point opens a whole new list of icons, right? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to prepare LOGs for Updated Mantis Bugtrackign software
Hello Miguel A. Urech and everybody else, on Freitag, 8. November 2019 at 21:58 MAU wrote re Updated Mantis Bugtrackign software >> can you increase the size of allowed attachments? I wanted to attach >> a 370 KByte animated GIF to a new report, but it exceeds tha maximum >> allowed file size. > I had the same problem trying to upload thebat64_Exceptions.log that > developers were waiting for to continue with some problem > investigation. I had to open it in a text editor to "trim" its > contents to an allowed size (less than 51 KB). Please use the script to pack all necessary information together into a compact ZIP: > if I may again point to the script written by me which can be downloaded > for free at > > http://freesoft.willms-edv.de/ > or via deep link to > http://freesoft.willms-edv.de/TheBat/ZIP-TB-Exeptions.zip > > The script moves the exception log and ex_log.txt with useful > information into a ZIP file ready to be uploaded to a Mantis entry > or sending directly per mail to Ritlabs. > > "Moves" means also that the files are being deleted, so that you > don't have to search the pertinent entry for your current problem in a long > file. > >One click does it all (I have a link on my Windows desktop in > the lower right corner, where it is always visible). Like this: Take care to use the script before replacing the TheBat! EXE with a new one, since the script uses identifies the log using the version from the currently installed EXE. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to send LOGs for debugging
Hello everybody, if I may again point to the script written by me which can be downloaded for free at http://freesoft.willms-edv.de/ or via deep link to http://freesoft.willms-edv.de/TheBat/ZIP-TB-Exeptions.zip The script moves the exception log and ex_log.txt with useful information into a ZIP file ready to be uploaded to a Mantis entry or sending directly per mail to Ritlabs. "Moves" means also that the files are being deleted, so that you don't have to search the pertinent entry for your current problem in a long file. One click does it all (I have a link on my Windows desktop in the lower right corner, where it is always visible). Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7 (NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Please insert a footer
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 6. Oktober 2019 at 15:30 Martin wrote re [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Please insert a footer >> What is meant by "OTF" in this context? > Do you use TheBat! with or without "On-The-Fly" encryption? obviously without, otherwise I would have understood what the MUM "OTF" means (MUM = Multi-Use Mnemonic). Thanks for the hint! Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SPAM] Re: Please insert a footer
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 6. Oktober 2019 at 11:10 Martin wrote re [SPAM] Re: Please insert a footer > one detail is missing IMHO - with our without OTF What is meant by "OTF" in this context? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SPAM] Re: Please insert a footer
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 6. Oktober 2019 at 14:39 Peter Hampf wrote re [SPAM] Re: Please insert a footer I love XMP - but unfortunately it only works with the 32bit version. That's why I run TheBat as 32bit application on a 64bit Windows. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Please insert a footer
Hello everybody,
on Freitag, 4. Oktober 2019 at 11:40 Martin wrote
re Please insert a footer
> Could you please insert a footer in your message configuration to see
> more details about your installation and configuration.
Mine is (using XMP macros — see result below):
> using: TheBat! %THEBATVERSION
> %XMP_StrC("OS:") %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME%XMP_SysInfo("($osp$ $wvm$.$wvs$%
> Build $wvb$ - $wvc$)")
> %XMP_StrC("CPU:") %XMP_SysInfo("$cvn$ $cmn$ $cns$")
> %XMP_StrC("MEM:") %XMP_SysInfo("$mtp$ MB")
Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany
using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA)
OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1)
CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+
MEM: 4097 MB
'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 9.0.0.2
Hello everybody, on Mittwoch, 2. Oktober 2019 at 20:46 Gleason wrote re 9.0.0.2 >> I meant an optical group as you can see it in the tab "Options". >> The second "Options" and "Select Skin" are what I think to be called >> sub groups. > Ok, I grant that would be an improvement on ribbons, and not much > better than sub menus. A difference would be that it would be ok to > have more use of groupings than of sub menus. the Ribbon stuff forces my eyes to wander over the whole width of the screen from left to right, and in many cases not even finding what should be there. In the regular menu system, it is all in one vertical space. Eye movements are limited. Eyes don't get tired that fast as with Ribbons. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 28. September 2019 at 06:08 Gleason wrote re [SPAM] Re: Icons for language options >>>> Would Somebody from Saudi Arabia know that? If so, then how about >>>> from Morocco? TB does have Turkey, which I suspect is similar to and >>>> different from other Arabic places. A person who uses the Turkish >>>> variety would recognize the name of his own variant in the font used >>>> in Turkey. >>> Besides which, I suspect Turks don't think of themselves as Arabs in >>> quite the same way that Egyptians and Lybians do. They are not Arabs, they are a people speaking a turcic language, leftover from one of those many nomadic horse riding invasions from the steppes in the North East of Asia, one of those peoples who suffered the fate that the door slammed shut behind them after they entered. >> They are not Arabs, they are Turks. And they changed from arabic >> letters to Latin letters almost 100 years ago. While the language we know as Turkish has incorporated a huge amount of words from Arabic (the most notable is kitap for book), it is a completely different language, part of the family of turkic languages which are spoken in Central Asia from Azerbaycan and Turkmenistan to Kazakstan and the Chinese province of Sinkiang, also known as East Turkestan. Side note on kitap: in original Arab it is kitab, with a voiced or sonant B at the end. Like German, the turkish language pronounces such endings voiceless, non-sonant. This is different from English (you recognize Germans speaking english this way). Kitab found its way into many languages, where ever the Islam penetrated. But the plural is language specific. In Arabic kuttub, in Turkish kitaplar, in Suaheli witab... Coming back to the issue discussed here: tr would be the sign for Turkish, in latin script. For Arab I would recommend the letter 'ain: ع Make it a graphic icon, and underlay it with an ALT text which on hovering the mouse pointer over it, display the name of the language Googling for "icons for languages" finds a lot of sources for such icons. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Icons for language options
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 27. September 2019 at 18:46 Martin wrote re Icons for language options > On Friday, September 27, 2019 4:34:10 PM Gleason wrote: >> Your image shows a Latin based A and something perhaps oriental. I >> suspect a single character font image won't be sufficient either. > Why not use the letters of ISO 639? I vote for that. DE for German. EN for English. But what about languages which are written in non-latin scripts? RU for Russian, but could this be in kyrillic script? How about Arabic? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.9.12 (BETA) Windows 7 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 13. September 2019 at 00:59 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 > we will make an option to choose whether the user wishes to have a good old > menu or the ribbons. A big sigh of relief comes from my soul. I did not see this before sending my previous message on the subject. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 12. September 2019 at 10:38 Peter Herklotz GMX wrote re screenshots of the upcoming The Bat! v9 Angry! > Ribbons are the bane of UI. Don't do it or at least make them switchable to a > classical UI. > Even with time to adapt to ribbons they ALWAYS are slower in achieving any > given task. I do agree with Peter Herklotz 100%. Ribbons are made to chain the user for too long time so that he does not get his work done, by wasting time to search thru ribbons. When the new Ultraedit introduced ribbons, they gave at least the choice to switch back to the regular interface for speed users as me. So switching back to the regular interface was the first thing I did. OTOH, Windows Office 2010, which I can unfortunately not replace because of the VBA programming support, does waste my time with these horrible ribbons. I found no way yet to switch to a useable interface. Trying to force a waste of my time is one more reason not to upgrade to TheBat 9 (the other being not supporting proper quoting in HTML mails). BTW, I could not see much of those screenshots — they are miniature and I could not enlarge them because they are on Facebook and I am not subject to Mr. Zuckermans's spying. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! Re-Downloads Emails already downloaded (was: 8.8.9.5)
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 26. Juli 2019 at 06:58 Thomas Fernandez wrote re TB! Re-Downloads Emails already downloaded (was: 8.8.9.5) You can also send me the procedure that looks for mids before downloading mails. The Filter manager has a section "Selektive Übertragung" (selective transfer, in my re-translation) which is for, as I understand it, filtering mails on the server before they are downloaded. One can use a filter condition "header field" [Message-ID] contains [your search criterium] Does that help? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 14:41 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> This makes me think that you don't know anything about HTML and CSS. > Yes, I do know what css is and how it shapes display. What I am > saying is that, in use, my above statement is true and that is what > matters. Other clients do not display Thunderbird quote bars. What is this "Thunderbird quote bar" you are talking about? There is no special Thunderbird keyboard with a special "Thunderbird bar". We all can only use the standard vertical bar | (Unicode U+007C), or as everybody else. > That makes Thunderbird unusable for me. The Bat with a similar system > would also be unusable. TheBat! is in error because it does not render email quotes in incoming emails of content-type=text/html. TheBat! simply ignores quotes and renders them as regular text. And on the other hand, in outgoing mails of content-type=text/html, does not mark quotes as such, but as a spreadsheet, so that the recipient email client does not recognize what is written for this mail by the author, and what had he/she quoted. Even less access the quoted mail or web page using the URN in the CITE parameter. Of course, eMail clients are not the appropriate program for editing spreadsheets, so when the intelligence of a human reader grasps that what is coded as spreadsheet is actually what the author had quoted, and tries to use the text in the table, but will inevitable break the spreadsheet. >> But you insist on making strong statements trying to dictate the >> world how use this markup language and presentation system. >> >> And you want that the eMail client hides to the recipient, what >> is a quote from an earlier message, and provide the link to it, and >> what is newly created by the author for that particular message. >> HTML tags are not made to create an appearance, but they convey a >> meaning. Only by tagging a piece of text as QUOTE > Not if that tag makes no difference in how the quoted text is > displayed. Mr. Gleason writes like someone who is known in his little circle of friends that when he shouts "please kill me!" that he actually means "please kiss me!". For him it makes no difference what he says, as long as his friends understand his distortions of meaning. But one day, someone not familiar with Mr. Gleasons ideosyncrasies will understand his words as they are spoken, and then... "Oh, says Mr. Gleason. It makes no difference what I say as long as my friends understand my distortions" Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Most used eMail clients (was: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)))
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 09:57 Lüko Willms wrote re Most used eMail clients (was: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))) addressing Mr. Gleason: > But you mention only one of the "major players", namely > Thunderbird. More often used than Thunderbird is MS Outlook, MS > Outlook Express (or Live, as they call it now), and in a similar > range Apple Mail, which has for Mac users the same importance as > Outlook and Outlook Express for Windows users. The above is confirmed by statistics which are collected by a company named Litmus Email Analytics, and they include not only eMail clients for desktop computers, as I did, but for mobile devices, too. I have no clue on which way they do collect this 1000 million of emails. Here is their top 10 list for Juni 2019, taken from https://emailclientmarketshare.com/ #01 Gmail 29% +0.45 #02 Apple iPhone 27% -0.62 #03 Outlook9% +0.72 #04 Apple iPad 8% -0.43 #05 Apple Mail 7% -0.04 #06 Yahoo! Mail6% -0.52 #07 Google Android 3% +0.17 #08 Outlook.com2% -0.1 #09 Samsung Mail 1% -0.08 #10 Thunderbird0% -0.01 (Sorry that this is not in a table, but copying into a table in TheBat! does not work; I would have to either fill each cell individually or create an XLS file and insert this). I have marked those for desktops with yellow background. This confirms which I had written before. Gmail (i.e. Google mail) is being used both on desktops and on mobile devices. Gmail is surpassed by Apple if we add the three versions for iPhone, iPad and desktop tallied separately by this Litmus company. If the widely used Thunderbird is counted on less than a half percent of emails checked by this Litmus company, TheBat! and even more those unknowns which Mr. Gleason misunderstands as "major player" are completely out of the picture. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 14:48 Ethan J. Mings wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > Moderator, can you please save us from this debate. It is really not > helpful. You are right. This Mr. Gleason has not the slightest idea of HTML and MIME, but he insists on abusing HTML because he has no clue of how to used it. Sorry for being rude, but fact, and this fact needs to be stated. It is time that Ritlabs ignores such foolery. A quote needs to be announced to the recipient's client as such, by using the HTML tag for quoting, i.e. the BLOCKQUOTE tag. An email client which doesn't render quotes is quotes and does not mark quotes as such, is useless. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 19:17 Ira wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > I'm not trying to understand the structure of emails, I just want to read > them. That's OK, but I also understand from your statement that you do not understand the MIME structure of today's emails in the first place. No problem, but you should not keep others from getting an easy look at exactly that structure, by which token those people in the know would be able to help you resolving problems which might occur in your email. > Saturday, July 20, 2019, 12:41:09 AM, you wrote: > >> TheBAt! should have two separate lists, selectable by a TAB, one of >> the real attachments, the other the nested list of all body parts. > I see no reason to have a list of nested body parts, I just want > the email displayed complete. Though I would be perfectly happy with > a somewhat hidden way to get that list if I ever see a reason why I > might care. It's an email program, just show me the email the way > the sender saw it, certainly not as a list of attachments and > pieces. This list of attachments (and body parts) is aside, and you can ignore it. I think that TheBat! even allows to not show it at all. > If the sender did choose the "paperclip" to attach the file, > it's not an attachment and should not appear as such. On the contrary, that is marked as an attachment and is transmitted as such, so that it is not shown inline in the email's text, but in a list of attachments. The problem with TheBat! is that it does not make a difference between attachments on the one hand, and body parts to be shown inline on the other. Therefore my plea for two tabs in the column showing all parts as "attachments", the one being shown as default for the actual attachments, the other for all bodyparts in their nested structure. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Most used eMail clients (was: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)))
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 19:54 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > In this case, the important thing is that the system works, Fact is, that the quoting in TheBat! is broken, is utter nonsense and does not work at all. When I get a message which quotes something I had written before, TheBat! does not render the quote as a quote. And I have no means to tell for sure what is a quote and what is new text in a message, and no link to the message being quoted. Normally quotes would be identified by enclosing them with a BLOCKQUOTE or Q tag. When I use TheBat!'s broken quoting, it get's completely gobbled up until recognition. You speak about a "list of major players" meaning apparently email clients. But you mention only one of the "major players", namely Thunderbird. More often used than Thunderbird is MS Outlook, MS Outlook Express (or Live, as they call it now), and in a similar range Apple Mail, which has for Mac users the same importance as Outlook and Outlook Express for Windows users. BTW, I tried to get a statistic of the number of the various eMail clients as shown by the X-MAILER header, but the search by TheBat! does not allow to select a given header and only search the content of that header field. And I could not export my full message store to MBOX format — nothing happens, unless I select each single folder at one time, but hat is too tedious to do. And the file format of the TBB and TBN files is not known to me. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 15:05 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >>> Thunderbird - Must assign bcc by identity. Quote bar doesn't show on other >>> clients. >> Showing a bar to to mark a blockquote is the task of the >> renderer. This is regulated in the CSS STYLE which does either >> accompany the mail, or which is used by the receiving client by its default >> STYLE. > That's interesting. But my comment stands from my testing of different > clients. If I send a quoted email from Thunderbird, no other client > shows the quote bar. Only other Thunderbird installations do that. This makes me think that you don't know anything about HTML and CSS. But you insist on making strong statements trying to dictate the world how use this markup language and presentation system. And you want that the eMail client hides to the recipient, what is a quote from an earlier message, and provide the link to it, and what is newly created by the author for that particular message. HTML tags are not made to create an appearance, but they convey a meaning. Only by tagging a piece of text as QUOTE can the recipient know what is a quote and what not, and use the information in the CITE parameter to the BLOCKQUOTE tag to look up the source of the quote. That you don't want to know what is going on, is your problem, but you should not insist, that nobody should be able to use TheBAt! as a sensible email client. From everything which you have uttered in this thread, it comes out louder and clearer that you have no clue what HTML is and what eMail is to be. But when you don't know anything about what you are talking about, then better stay silent. And stop working against correcting TheBat! Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 at 01:00 Ira wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) stop showing emails without attachments as having a dozen or more attachments. I can live with messed up display, but having to dig through a list of attachment or tabs of different types of text only to discover I'd already read it all is absurd. TheBat!'s error is to treat each and every body part as an "attachment". Attachment are only those with "content-disposition: attachment", not content parts to be shown inline, which is marked with the parameter "content-disposition: inline". TheBAt! should have two separate lists, selectable by a TAB, one of the real attachments, the other the nested list of all body parts. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 15:32 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> I can't comment on the "best product" (I am not satisfied, and I >> would have liked to continue using PMMail/2), > But for some reason you did not. The simple reason is that my OS/2 PC broke down. So I looked for an alternative to PMmail on Windows, and TheBat! with the same 3-panel window seemed to be the closest. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 at 16:10 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> this universally accepted quoting is what I don't want to loose. >> A quote is a QUOTE, not a table. > I guess I don't think it matters what it is called. You speak like the people on this job interview which the great Argentinian cartoonist recorded in 9 images, each with a recruiter's question (marked ¿>) and an applicant's response (marked <), plus a tenth image showing the result: ¿> Name? < March 19, 1924 ¿> Address? < male ¿> Place of birth? < married ¿> highest degree in education? < 79, Main Street, 2nd floor ¿> sex? < High School ¿> profession? > Peter Fireman ¿> marital status? < three thousand six hundred and twentyfour ¿> nationality? < pertussis in the age of 4, measles at 7 ¿> Good. That's enough. You can start working tomorrow. The 10th image shows the applicant sitting at a desk marked "Information". You see, it doesn't matter what you say, it works. You tell me "Pay the bill I sent you", and I will think "OK, he says that I should pay the bill, but as usual he means something completely different, probably that I should instead go out and walk my dog. Why bother about language? Why use ADD in programming an addition, when you can write SUBTRACT? Who cares, when Gleason does not care? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 19:55 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > list [of email clients] I keep > For instance here is my short list — with my comments regarding quoting HTML > mails > Becky - never heard of this > Pegasus - does Pegasus still exist? > eMclient - never heard of this > The Bat - does it wrong > Thunderbird - quotes correctly with HTML tags for quoting > Postbox - never heard of this > Maiilbird - unknown to me > inscribe - never heard of this What about Applemail? Outlook? Outlook express, MS Live? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 15:26 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) this universally accepted quoting is what I don't want to loose. A quote is a QUOTE, not a table. You may select a small sample of unkown email clients which do it the wrong way. Especially trying to build endlessly nested TABLEs, as TheBat! is doing, it utter nonsense. The correct was has been specified already in 1998 in this document to be found at W3C, HTML Threading: Conventions for use of HTML in email written by Eric Berman (Microsoft Corporation), Pete Resnick (QUALCOMM Incorporated), and Nick Shelness (LOTUS). HTML hat two semantic tags for quoting: BLOCKQUOTE and Q. BLOCKQUOTE is, as the name says, a block element, while Q is an inline tag. From the above linked document: Appendix A: Suggested Implementation Guidelines This section describes a suggested implementation model for UAs. These are guidelines only and do not constitute a requirement for compliance. Editing issues Quoting during reply/forward When quoting a message during a reply/forward, it is recommended that the text be encapsulated with BLOCKQUOTE elements, with a CITE attribute identifying the message being quoted, and optionally a CLASS attribute defining default style information. (BLOCKQUOTEs explicitly authored by the user should not have an CITE, or should have a CITE pointing to the current message, so that they can be distinguished from message excerpts.) As a message makes several roundtrips, it may acquire several nested BLOCKQUOTE blocks. Because most HTML implementations indent BLOCKQUOTE text, the use of BLOCKQUOTE ensures that recipients that support neither this recommendation nor CSS1 can still display an appropriate level of indentation to the user. However, a mail UA may choose to use other elements, such as DIV, if they do not wish to use BLOCKQUOTE in order to achieve the same grouping of text within a message (for example, for forwarding a message, where indenting may not be desired.). An application MAY choose to enclose all new message text in a DIV block so that all text is unambiguously tagged. This is not strictly necessary (since the lack of any explicit element or context indicates that the text is new). UAs MUST respect this element. When replying or forwarding the message, UA's MAY change the DIV to a BLOCKQUOTE to avoid needlessly nesting a DIV within a BLOCKQUOTE. Editing quoted text It is common when responding to a message to edit within the quoted block of text. For example, questions asked within the original message may be answered one at a time in the response. These edits can fall into two categories: "block level", where the division between quoted and new text is a block-level boundary, and "inline", where there is no such division. If the user was starting a new block in the middle of an existing one (by hitting enter, for example), the UA must restart the existing style and CITE block after the BLOCKQUOTE. For example, if the original text was: • The quick black fox and the replying author hits enter before the word "fox", then the resulting HTML would be: • The quick black You mean brown! fox The text "You mean brown" will thus appear on its own line and in the style defined for "ericbe--microsoft-com". Since the new text is not enclosed in any DIV or BLOCKQUOTE elements, it is considered part of the current message. Note that this may nest arbitrarily deep, so it may be necessary to close multiple BLOCKQUOTE elements and then reopen each one, with the right CLASS and CITE attributes, and in the right order. [follows an example of inline quoting using the Q tag, so that the quoted text does not appear in a line by itself] Try to do that with nested TABLEs (TABLE is meant to be nested arbitrarily deep), and it will create a madhouse. What TheBat! does is an abuse of HTML. If there would be an HTML police, TheBat! would be punished for this violation of fundamentals. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
One more on chosing FROM name and address (was: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)))=
Hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 22:49 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Yes, that allows you to tie a specific set of macros to a specific email address. Better would be to be able to specify a set of identities with different email addresses, etc. Then when I prepare a new email/reply, I should be able to simply choose the identity I want from a drop down list. See my feature request on this at 1291: To allow all mail addresses associated with the server mail account to be configured in TheBat! mail account > All but one eMail service providers I know allow each mail account > to be associated with more than one email address, some limited to > two, others to 10, still others without a limit. > > It would be very helpful if I could configure all those mail > addresses with the corresponding account configuration in The Bat!. > > Such configuration could be used by TheBat! > - to automatically select the proper account for sending mail > depending on the "FROM" address in the mail; > - to prevent accidentally sending out mail via accounts to which > the FROM address of the mail is not related; in this case, TheBat! > should open a dialogue "Do you really want to send this mail via that > account" or so. > > It also helps the user to remember which email addresses are associated with > which account. Does that concur with your wish? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Chosing the FROM name and address in a drop down menu (was: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)))
Hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 22:49 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) Yes, that allows you to tie a specific set of macros to a specific email address. Better would be to be able to specify a set of identities with different email addresses, etc. Then when I prepare a new email/reply, I should be able to simply choose the identity I want from a drop down list. But you can with TheBat!. Click in the "FROM:" line of the header of a new mail, and it turns into a drop down menu of your various identities. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 16. Juli 2019 at 12:49 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > It seems to me that Rit Labs is an economic marvel. They have > produced the best product on the market and remain viable in a niche > that many others have found bankrupting I can't comment on the "best product" (I am not satisfied, and I would have liked to continue using PMMail/2), but one should consider that Moldova is a special place to live in. Cheaper to live in but with easy access to a lot of other markets. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 19:55 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > Thunderbird - Must assign bcc by identity. Quote bar doesn't show on other > clients. Showing a bar to to mark a blockquote is the task of the renderer. This is regulated in the CSS STYLE which does either accompany the mail, or which is used by the receiving client by its default STYLE. TheBat! does not mark proper quotes at all. See »1216: HTML viewer does not render BLOCKQUOTE« at Ritlabs' Mantis bug tracker This is an error of TheBat!, not of Thunderbird. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 03:41 Thomas Fernandez wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) I don't know about blockquotes but what annoys me tremendously is that some HTML messages are simply not displayed: https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1479 I remember that problem. I believe to have commented on it in this mailing list. But obviously not in Ritlabs's Mantis bug tracker. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello Gleason, hello everybody, on Montag, 15. Juli 2019 at 00:59 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) >> So stop talking nonsense about things which are beyond your >> horizon, and stay put in your little box. > Perhaps you know nothing at all about me. I understand that you are using nothing but content-type=text/plain, and I tell you that when you think that HTML tags like have anything to do with that, then I have to tell you that you don't know what you are talking about. Bother about text/plain (but why do you use UTF-8, then?) and don't throw stones into areas which are beyond your horizon and which you obviously do not understand. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello Gleaseon (? I can't find your signature), on Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 at 20:28 Gleason wrote re ...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > disagree You simply do not understand what this is about. From the header of your mail: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" under those conditions, TheBat! does not create nested HTML-Tables. So stop talking nonsense about things which are beyond your horizon, and stay put in your little box. People like you have made Facebook and Twitter great. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
...working on version 9 — will essential changes be implemented? (was: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 12. Juli 2019 at 01:22 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) > we are now working on version 9 essential changes like these for proper quoting in HTML-Mails, more than two years old: 1216: HTML viewer does not render BLOCKQUOTE 1217: While replying to an HTML message, quoting should be done by BLOCKQUOTE, not by TABLE Without this, TheBat! is not really useable for correspondence, and not worth to be recommended to any one I care for. I would rather not want to pay for a new version 9, if those changes are not implemented. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 12. Juli 2019 at 19:25 Gleason wrote re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) > Is anybody saying that ms vs doesn't have issues? People need to > insist on using Delphi to keep ms honest if for no other reason. Agree. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 12. Juli 2019 at 02:50 Marck Pearlstone wrote re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) TBL>> We have figured out that the bug was in 64-bit Delphi compiler > ... > Interesting! Delphi certainly has issues. Nobody is perfect... Besides, one can prove the existence of bugs, but not that none do exist. Unless one uses a language which allows a mathematical proof of corrections of the transformation machine which is a computer program. I don't know of any. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [Request] Add latest T-TeleSec certificates
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 29. Juni 2019 at 10:11 mse wrote re [Request] Add latest T-TeleSec certificates > please add the latest certificates from here to The Bat!. > https://www.telesec.de/de/public-key-infrastruktur/support/root-zertifikate/category/60-t-telesec-globalroot-class-3 > Since Friday they are required to get access to the popular German > mailprovider GMX. This looks like this: I did hit OK, so I got my mail. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.9.8
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 13. Juni 2019 at 18:42 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.8.9.8 > The Bat! 8.8.9.8 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8898-32.rar I had asked already some days ago: Can I copy this EXE over the 8.8.2.8 without installing the 8.8.9 MSI before? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) Windows 7 The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt).eml Description: Binary data 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.9.4
Hello Maxim Masiutin, on Montag, 10. Juni 2019 at 18:00 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.8.9.4 > The Bat! 8.8.9.4 (ALPHA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8894-32.rar can I copy this simply over my current 8-8-3-8, or does it require an installation of the 8.8.9 MSI before? As I reported on June 6 @ 04:47 CEST, my computer doesn't let me install it. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SmartSpace reading not working with some HTML messages (WAS: Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt))
Hello MAU, and everybody else, on Samstag, 8. Juni 2019 at 19:06 MAU wrote re SmartSpace reading not working with some HTML messages (WAS: Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)) > SmartSpace reading does not work with *some* What is this "SmartSpace" in the first place? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt)
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 4. Juni 2019 at 21:48 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI (3rd attempt) > Please try The Bat! v8.8.9 MSI files (3rd attempt): > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_8-8-9.msi > It should not require (I hope) the new registration key I hope. When I start the installation (as Admin), I see a dialogue that my licence would not be valid for this version 8.8.9, and that the installation would run as test. I cancelled the installation. I mentioned that I tried the install as Admin — normally I install from my simple user account, and enter the Admin password when asked for it, but since some time, installations are interrupted before asking for Admin password with a dialogue, in the case of TheBat 8.8.9 after the begin of the actual installation, with "Windows Installer" in the Window title, and this text (in German): "Der Systemadministrator hat Richtlinien erlassen, um diese Installation zu verhindern" (my translation to english: "The system administrator has established rules to prevent this installation". Well, the system admin is me. I have never declared such a rule, and not changed the rules. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.9 MSI (2nd attempt)
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 4. Juni 2019 at 20:23 Gleason wrote re The Bat! v8.9 MSI (2nd attempt) Cost of living in Chisinau must be a lot lower than in the rest of Europe, North America, Japan and elsewhere. It is. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.8
Hello Curt at Down in the Country and everybody else, on Samstag, 11. Mai 2019 at 15:27 Curt at Down in the Country wrote re 8.8.2.8 > Didn't receive the "changes since" for 8.8.2.7. from mid:315171779.20190509144...@ritlabs.com >> What's new in 8.8.2.7 since 8.8.2.6: >> [*] The Bat! is compiled by Delphi version 10.3.1 Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.8
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 at 20:04 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.8.2.8 > The Bat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8828-32.rar up and running here, too. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.8 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.7
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 at 06:36 Lüko Willms wrote re 8.8.2.7 What have you changed in this beta version? Still not changed: quoting (by HTML editor) still erroneously as TABLE instead of BLOCKQUOTE. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.7 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.7
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 at 06:36 Lüko Willms wrote re 8.8.2.7 > Did anybody try 8.8.2.7 released on May 3rd, 2019? Not yet, but I have just downloaded it, thanks to the links indicated by the extrasensory Ira. Now up and running. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.7 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.7
Hello everybody, on Mittwoch, 8. Mai 2019 at 22:02 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.8.2.7 > Did anybody try 8.8.2.7 released on May 3rd, 2019? Not yet, but I have just downloaded it, thanks to the links indicated by the extrasensory Ira. What have you changed in this beta version? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.6 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.6
Hello Tony Hoare
and everybody else,
on Dienstag, 23. April 2019 at 21:27 Tony Hoare wrote
re 8.8.2.6
> This version is still missing the attachments pane from the separate
> message viewer. Is anyone else seeing this?
Do you mean this, the column to the left showing various body parts in my
previous reply to this thread? Look:
Actually none of the body parts being shown there is an attachment, they
are either the body part from the first body part which is declared as
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; and the body part with the (wrong)
information about what is the latest beta version, which is expressly declared
with Content-Disposition: inline.
BTW, I am at odds to understand why this body part of Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8" got Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64, whereas the
first alternative within the first body part being also Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=utf-8 but is sent as Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit. And
the other alternative, which is composed as Content-Type: text/html;
charset=utf-8 is being sent as Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit.
Quite inconsistent all this.
Hello Ritlabs! What do you say?
Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany
using: TheBat! 8.8.2.6 (BETA)
OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1)
CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+
MEM: 4097 MB
Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.6
Hello everybody, on Montag, 22. April 2019 at 13:48 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.8.2.6 > The Bat! 8.8.2.6 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8826-32.rar up and running. No problems noticed thus far, but also no improvements. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.6 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Poor Dialog Positioning
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 4. April 2019 at 12:52 Steven P Valliere wrote re Poor Dialog Positioning > it seems that TheBat uses different > positioning code/rules for different dialogs. Too bad they don't > all use the same code -- To me this sounds as a call for some additional configuration options in the menu which is called in German "Arbeitsplatz" (literally "work place" and which might be called "desk top" in the English version). In order to configure on which screen of a multi-screen configuration the various dialogues should appear. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.5 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.4
Hello everybody, now using 8.8.2.4 (see below) on Donnerstag, 28. März 2019 at 19:42 Andrei Sliusarenco via TBBETA wrote re 8.8.2.4 [-] 0001720: User-defined tags are unavailable in the Sorting Office filters I do not undestand what is meant here, but this is the occasion to remind the Ritlabs people of issue 1223: > 0001223: In the filter editor, provide "List-ID" as a standard header > item for selection That is the mandatory filter criterion for filtering mailing lists. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.4 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re-downloading all the mails, and the POP3 protocol
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 26. März 2019 at 15:20 Thomas Fernandez wrote re Re-downloading all the mails, and the POP3 protocol My suggestion: a) on the desktop, keep the number of days you keep messages on the server relative small; I do that already. 4 weeks = over 5,000 messages in my company account. b) on the laptop (I guess that you have activated the option "keep ALL messages on the server") use the mailbox inspector to retrieve messages, maybe activate the option "activate mailbox inspector automatically for every retrieve". With over 5,000 messages on the server, it is not practical to always use the mailbox inspector. So when after working 3 weeks at home with your desktop PC, and then go on the road with the laptop, the laptop will find 3 weeks of new messages which are new to the laptop, and will download those roughly 3'750 messages. That's what I wanted to make you understand by my longer explanations in my previous message. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany BTW, the above is also a demonstration of how foolish the quoting with nested TABLEs is): using: TheBat! 8.8.2.3 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re-downloading all the mails, and the POP3 protocol
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 24. März 2019 at 09:07 Thomas Fernandez wrote re Re-downloading all the mails It happens with automatic download, I hardly ever use F2. Only on the laptop that I travel with, not the PC at home. Isn't the status "READ" of each message stored in the POP3 client, and not the POP3 server? Then your laptop have a different list of "new" messages than your desktop PC. As far as I can see, the POP3 server does not keep a status VIEWED. The POP3 server's response to the client's LIST command is the "scan listing" which "consists of the message-number of the message, followed by a single space and the exact size of the message in octets." The "message-number" is a sequential number of all messages in a "maildrop" assigned anew for each session, beginning with 1. This message number is referred to in the RETR (retrieve) and DELE (delete) commands from the client. Using the option command UIDL, the client can retrieve a list of unique ids a single message identified by message-number or all messages, with the UNIQUE-ID being a arbitrary server-determined string, consisting of one to 70 characters in the range 0x21 to 0x7E, which uniquely identifies a message within a maildrop and which persists across sessions. If the POP3 client keeps track of those UNIQUE IDs, it can be sure not to re-download messages already seen. As I said, I can't see a way the POP3 server could keep a list of messages wich are "new" for this POP3 account. It is only the POP3 client can know, which has to keep track of which messages have already been seen, but kept on the server. So, when several different POP3 clients access the same mail store, they do not have the same idea about what is a message already viewed, and which is not. Several different POP3 clients would have to synchronise the list of UNIQUE IDs in order to consider the same messages as "NEW" or "VIEWED". My suggestion: a) on the desktop, keep the number of days you keep messages on the server relative small; b) on the laptop (I guess that you have activated the option "keep ALL messages on the server") use the mailbox inspector to retrieve messages, maybe activate the option "activate mailbox inspector automatically for every retrieve". PS: RFCs on POP3 : https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/std53 Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.3 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Google API User Policy for The Bat! Email Client
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 24. März 2019 at 10:22 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re Google API User Policy for The Bat! Email Client > Google API User Policy Why can't it run with standard POP3 or IMAP4? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.3 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re-downloading all the mails
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 24. März 2019 at 03:10 Thomas Fernandez wrote re Re-downloading all the mails >> Is it possible that the host is the common factor...? > One of the hosts with which it sometimes (every few months) happens in > GMX, the biggest internet provider in Europe. Yes, he uses the same. I have also one account with GMX using POP3, but I can't recall that TheBat! accidentally downloaded all remaining and as "read" marked mails from the server. Is there maybe a hidden key combination with F2 which downloads all messages from the POP3 server? And which could have been hit accidentally by the user? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.3 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.3
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 21. März 2019 at 15:12 Gleason wrote re 8.8.2.3 >> But when it is too complicated and stupid, it should be abandoned. > It should be possible to leave old functions unchanged, while adding possibly > complicated new ones. The issue is to drop a confusing and superflouis addition. There is absolutely no necessity at all to have a separate key (F4) for replying with quote. The software can detect by itself if text is selected (highlighted) and quote that. > In this case though, I suspect that the issue is that we really don't agree > on how quoting should > be done. It becomes necessary that not everybody can get what they > want. Sometimes. I don't understand what you want. Overloaded baroque software with 10 different ways to do the same thing? "KISS" is an old standing and tested design rule: Keep It Simple, Stupid. After getting rid of the F4 for replying with quote, the context menus need to be cleaned up for unifying the actions selectable e.g. on a message etc. Those are too different in different context menus. Currently it is really a mess, IMHO. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.3 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.3
Hello everybody, on Mittwoch, 20. März 2019 at 22:02 Dwight Corrin wrote re 8.8.2.3 > I like it to keep working like it always has, so I don't have to > relearn to use it with every update. But when it is too complicated and stupid, it should be abandoned. Once. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.3 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.3
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 12. März 2019 at 11:17 Peter Hampf wrote re 8.8.2.3 >>> No, please not. >>> As it is now, I sometimes use F4 to generate a reply with NO text in it at >>> all. LW>>CTRL-R could do that > How do you make Ctrl+R (or Ctrl+Enter) generate a reply with NO text in it? > (Provided you don't take another template without the %quotes macro.) Gute Frage! Nächste Frage! Actually, I don't see a way to do that. This is one of the reasons why I never use CLTR-R or CTRL-ENTER. As I said before, bothering the writer with a quote of the complete message he had sent to me, is a sign of bad manners in my opinion. This should never be the default for replying. I only reply with F4, and when there is nothing I want to quote, I select some single character, hit F4, and then delete this in my reply. Windows "knows" if some piece of text had been selected (highlighted), the program can query the boolean value indicating this, and then take the selected text and insert it in the reply message as a quote (for text/html enclosed in tags with the parameter cite="mid:message-id", so that the recipient can look up the message he/she had sent before for the full text of she/he wrote). Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.3 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.3
Hello Peter Hampf and everybody else, on Montag, 11. März 2019 at 21:28 Peter Hampf wrote re 8.8.2.3 >>> If I highlight something, it brings that in, but if I highlight >>> nothing, it should bring in the whole message. LW>> That's like I would like it to work as default. > No, please not. > As it is now, I sometimes use F4 to generate a reply with NO text in it at > all. CTRL-R could do that, and when I want to quote the whole text (which I consider rather bad manners), I would select everthing with an CTRL-A. The additional function key F4 is not needed. TheBat! should simply check if any text is selected (highlighted) and then quote that. If nothing is selected, don't quote anything. As simple as that. One needs only one special key for replying, and that is CTRL-R. This can be combined with either SHIFT or ALT or both for variations of replies. In May 2017, I have submitted Issue #1218 in Ritlab's Mantis bug tracker. I wrote: > It is a nuisance that I have to use different key > combinations for replying with quoting the previously selected text. > > The program should simply use any text selected text (with more > than 1 character length) as being quoted in the reply. > > Other email programs can do that, why not The Bat! > > The far too many key combinations for replying would lose one dimension, > would be simplified. and in September 2017 I added > One could also simplify "Reply to all" by adding the SHIFT key, so > that a simple CTRL-R is a reply to the From or Reply address, > CTRL-SHIFT-R a "reply to all", and -- why not -- CTRL with the ALT > key would result in displaying both FROM and REPLY-TO plus SENDER addresses > to select from. > > IF text from the mail being replied to is being quoted would depend > on the result of a "IF isSelected" or however that might have to be > coded in the programming language being used for The Bat! > > Summary: > SHIFT is BIG meaning ALL > ALT means let me select ALTERNATIVE reply addresses Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.3 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.3
Hello everybody, on Montag, 11. März 2019 at 18:57 Ira wrote re 8.8.2.3 > if I highlight nothing, it should bring in the whole message It does in my case. Now using 8.8.2.3 (see footer below) Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.3 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.3
Hello everybody, on Montag, 11. März 2019 at 18:57 Ira wrote re 8.8.2.3 > If I highlight something, it brings that in, but if I highlight > nothing, it should bring in the whole message. That's like I would like it to work as default. A separate key (F4) for quoting what is highlighted is not necessary, since the software can find out if any text is highlighted or not, and then quote only the highlighted text. KISS — keept it simple, stupid! is a good old design rule for software. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.2 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Image Crop
Hello everybody, on Mittwoch, 6. März 2019 at 22:55 Gleason wrote re Image Crop > Oh, yes, I absolutely do depend on The Bat's fine quoting system. > For instance, I regularly split quoted paragraphs and insert text between. ... and turns the text color to read for the reply, too > Only The Bat actually does this right. Only when you limit yourself to Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" But that is so much past century, and useful only for mail which is not for a human reader but for a machine. You also know that campaign to ban rich text mail from the Netnews opened the door for the closed-shop communication systems like Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, Twitter and more of that ilk. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.2 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Image Crop
Hello everybody, on Montag, 25. Februar 2019 at 15:10 Gleason wrote re Image Crop LW >>I see the introduction of functions of other programs into the mailing program as a waste of your resources for unimportant stuff instead of correcting the most serious flaw of TheBat! which precludes to recommend it to anybody else. G> Quoting is not an issue. Maybe not for Gleason. For me it is, since I do not just mail out proclamations, but am engaged in correspondence, with messages going back and forth, and for this, proper quoting is essential. See issues 1216 and 1217 in Ritlab's Mantis bugtracker. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.2 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.2
Hello everybody, on Mittwoch, 6. März 2019 at 10:42 the mailing list processor wrote re 8.8.2.2 > > Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.2 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.8.2.2
Hello everybody, on Mittwoch, 6. März 2019 at 10:42 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.8.2.2 > The Bat! 8.8.2.2 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8822-32.rar up and running Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2.2 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Image Crop
Hello everybody, on Montag, 25. Februar 2019 at 03:27 andrei.sliusarenco via TBBETA wrote re Image Crop Soon will be published beta with new feature - Crop Mode for images Nice, but not important. I can crop images in various image editing programs. When will you finally implement proper quoting in HTML message as instead of ? This can be done only within TheBat! and not by outside programs. I see the introduction of functions of other programs into the mailing program as a waste of your resources for unimportant stuff instead of correcting the most serious flaw of TheBat! which precludes to recommend it to anybody else. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8.2 OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book: Sometimes very slow, sometimes Out of System Resources
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2019 at 19:25 mse wrote re Address book: Sometimes very slow, sometimes Out of System Resources > In the broken file the numbers mentioned there were huge! > I let The Bat create a new ADDRBOOK.INI and copied the standard values > over to the broken INI. Now it works again as it used to. > I have no idea, what caused these these values. To let you know what I > mean: Maybe wrong interpretation as negative values? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8 OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Voyager 8.8.0.1
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 12. Februar 2019 at 12:18 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re The Bat! Voyager 8.8.0.1 > Please try The Bat! Voyager 8.8.0.1 from > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/voyager_install-8-8-0-1.exe Also the mobile version up & running. When will Voyager be packaged for the PortableApps.com platform? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany -- using: TheBat! 8.8.0.1 (Voyager) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v8.8 MSI files
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 12. Februar 2019 at 11:40 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re The Bat! v8.8 MSI files > Please try The Bat! v8.8 download MSI files to test: > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_8-8.msi up and running Voyager 8.8.0.1 also installed -- no real use yet, since that is only meant for times when I am traveling. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.8 OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.17
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 10. Februar 2019 at 09:04 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.7.0.17 > The Bat! 8.7.0.17 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87017-32.rar up and running. So far without problems. > What's new in 8.7.0.17 since 8.7.0.16: > [-] Fixed issue with accounts disappearing (BETA issue) After having read the warnings, I did not try the 16. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.17 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.15
Hello everybody, on Freitag, 8. Februar 2019 at 10:48 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.7.0.15 > The Bat! 8.7.0.15 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87015-32.rar Up & running Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.15 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Missing The Bat in Action
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 7. Februar 2019 at 18:21 Gunivortus Goos wrote re Missing The Bat in Action > Just to get rid of the login password that time-eating work of > removing/reinstalling TB has nerved me too much. It should be possible > that, after being identified through a correct login with password, to > remove that setting, eventually by giving the password one more. I add my support to that request. Although not having been confronted with this problem. I think it is a nuisance which should not be. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.14 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Missing The Bat in Action
Guten Tag, Ethan J. Mings, am Donnerstag, 7. Februar 2019 um 13:54 schrieben Sie: > When the screen opens it asks for the User Name and Password. When I > enter this information for an email account, it claims no such account > exists. Since I have not locked TheBat! on my machine, I can't say anything about this problem. I never come into the situation where I would have to enter user name and password to access my local TheBat! message store. I hope that others can help you disentangle that mystery. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.14 Address Book Adds
Hello everybody, on Mittwoch, 6. Februar 2019 at 17:07 Richard Newman via TBBETA wrote re 8.7.0.14 Address Book Adds > When adding an address from an email via right-click "Add to > Address Book", there are no existing "Group" choices. If you add an > address manually, the group choices are there. You mean that the the field with button to select GROUPs is not present in the form? > Confirmations? Not in my case. See below. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.14 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.7.0.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.14
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2019 at 20:05 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.7.0.14 > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87014-32.rar up and running > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87014-64.rar > What's new in 8.7.0.14 since 8.7.0.13: > [-] Google AddressBook - contacts created in The Bat! are no > uploaded to the server via the synchronization > [-] Fixed templates when editor is HTML (BETA issue) confirmed, as this message demonstrates Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.14 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...
Hello everybody,
on Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2019 at 20:58 Ira wrote
re XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...
> Is this the Adobe XMP file spec we're talking about or something else?
Something else. Just the same three-letter-acronym, her for "eXtended Macro
Plugin"
In this list of software no longer in development:
https://www.gaijin.at/de/download-verzeichnis?dir=old_software
Or directly: https://www.gaijin.at/de/download-verzeichnis?dir=old_software
Most 3-letter-acronyms are MUMs.
What is a MUM? A Multi-Use Mnemonic.
Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany
using: TheBat! 8.7.0.11 (BETA)
OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1)
CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+
MEM: 4097 MB
Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...
Hello everybody, on Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2019 at 12:43 Viktor Kabelac wrote re XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old... > Would a donated new TheBat! license maybe help? Excellent idea! Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.11 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 29. Januar 2019 at 22:13 Joerg Schiermeier wrote re XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old... > For the record - the author gave an answer to this question three years ago. > You might visit the German forum "Batboard" (this isn't a RitLabs connected > forum) to see his answer: > <https://www.batboard.net/index.php/Thread/13224-XMP-64-Bit/?postID=121206#post121206> > (This is in German) The author's reply to the question "is there a chance that you make the source available" is "wohl kaum" which I translate as "rather not". But "rather not" is not a hard "auf keinen Fall" or english "never ever". Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.11 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.13
Hello everybody, on Dienstag, 29. Januar 2019 at 10:07 Mike Lumsden wrote re 8.7.0.13 Confirmed Templates not working in beta 13. I also reverted to 11 the last beta that works for me. What do have my and your Bat-installation have in common, and what those installations which do not have a problem with templates? I had thoughts about the address book, but the templates used in this messages are configured via the folder for the messages for this mailing list, not as general templates per account or per address book group or individual entry. Just in case it might be of interest: there are 1395 entries in my address book and its size is 522 kB, both according to the information displayed in the dialogue "Address book properties" (retranslated to English from German). The main address book window says 1339 entries... Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.11 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.13
Hello everybody, on Montag, 28. Januar 2019 at 23:52 Richard Newman via TBBETA wrote re 8.7.0.13 Monday, January 28, 2019, 5:05:24 PM, you wrote: MMvT> The Bat! 8.7.0.13 (BETA) is available at MMvT> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87013-64.rar Templates are still not working!!! Having gone back to 8.7.0.11, quoting and templates work again as usual. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.11 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.13
I can confirm Richard Newman's > Templates are still not working!!! After sending this, I'll go back to 8.7.0.11 yours L.W. Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.12 -- disables all templates
Hello everybody, on Montag, 28. Januar 2019 at 09:34 Martin wrote re 8.7.0.12 -- disables all templates LW>>disabled all the templates for reply and new message, one step LW>> back to 11. See below, and compare with my previous message. > > Can't confirm vor 32bit version on Windows 7 > TheBat! 8.7.0.12 (BETA) Pro (32bit, with OTFE) on Windows 7 6.1 7601 Service > Pack 1 I don't use OTFE. Could that make a difference? Well, I think Ritlabs will come out today with a beta 13 which fixes this problem. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.11 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Ability to use old plugins with ANSI encoding
Hello everybody, on Montag, 28. Januar 2019 at 12:54 Gwen wrote re Ability to use old plugins with ANSI encoding > In my case f.ex. XMP plugin does not work anymore to code german Umlauts > correctly. Is there no chance to get the author, Werner Rumpeltesz, to release the code as open source, or hand it over to others who are willing to continue development? > Please, Maxim and Ritlabs devs, can something to be done with adding a > Macro to use ANSI as encoding for string to be used as parameter in plugins. I second this motion. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.11 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.12 -- disables all templates
Hello everybody, on Sonntag, 27. Januar 2019 at 15:19 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.7.0.12 Since this version: > The Bat! 8.7.0.12 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87012-32.rar disabled all the templates for reply and new message, one step back to 11. See below, and compare with my previous message. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.11 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.12
> The Bat! 8.7.0.12 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb87012-32.rar It doesn't copy the highlighted text from the message being replied to into the reply message. Or this is some other effect after having restarted my PC this morning. Neither the templates for reply and new message are applied. That's why this message is so bare. All gone... cheers, Lüko Willms Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.11
Hello everybody, on Samstag, 26. Januar 2019 at 21:15 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.7.0.11 > What's new in 8.7.0.11 since 8.7.0.10: > [+] Users of the On-The-Fly-Encryption mode can specify > /DECRYPT_FILE_OTFE command line parameter to decrypt a particular file and > save it to disk. and so on and so on. All things which do not concern me. I am waiting that Ritlabs does remove this mess of quoting by TABLE instead of BLOCKQUOTE. This is one of the horrible "features" which makes it impossible to recomment TheBat! to anybody. There is also the problem that in a very large number of mails, the embedded images are not being shown. But on that one I will create a Mantis issue with examples. One can at any rate identify all mails distributed by "Mailchimp". Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.9 (BETA) Windows 7 Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.7.0.9
Hello everybody, on Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2019 at 19:38 Maxim Masiutin via TBBETA wrote re 8.7.0.9 > The Bat! 8.7.0.9 (BETA) is available at > https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb8709-32.rar up & running without any problems. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany using: TheBat! 8.7.0.9 (BETA) OS: Windows 7(NT 6.1 Build 7601 - Service Pack 1) CPU: AMD amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+ MEM: 4097 MB Current beta is 8.5.8.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
