November 2011 22:45
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
http://nebula-rnd.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:AllPages
I hope you have some kind of spam control on the install It doesn't come
natively with one, as I've learned after 2 or 4 thousand vandalisms
:Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
So you admit this is dangerous and yet you still publish some one else's
link ?
Remind me not to give you any of my email or link addresses
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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf
Collaboration happens when two or more people have the same itch to
scratch. Someone thinks to himself I've got to pass PICK data in
JSON and starts looking for projects that do that. It does not
happen the other way around, where you might stumble upon a project
and say to yourself, hmm, a PICK
: [U2] Code Collaboration
Collaboration happens when two or more people have the same itch to
cratch. Someone thinks to himself I've got to pass PICK data in
SON and starts looking for projects that do that. It does not
appen the other way around, where you might stumble upon a project
nd say
Sure advertising works, Will, but I'll bet you don't buy feminine
products just because you see the ads on TV :)
rex
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
So advertising doesn't work.
That's a new twist.
I don't share your belief that people will by nature
That's right I don't. But in a Venn diagram of two circles intersecting, you
have four regions, not two.
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From: Rex Gozar rgo...@gmail.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 10:14 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Sure
So Will, if you are saying you have a burning need for a better PICK
collaboration site then go for it. Build it. Advertise it. And
those people in the community that share your need will undoubtedly
join you in building a better site. Perhaps there are people in your
local PICK users group
, like lights on a christmas
light strand.
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From: Rex Gozar rgo...@gmail.com
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Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 10:39 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
So Will, if you are saying you have a burning need for a better PICK
To everybody in the community,
Who else has a burning need for a new collaboration website?
rex
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
No I'm saying we are currently holding, right here, a white board discussion
for how to go about it.
That involves not one
-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:53 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
No I'm saying we are currently holding, right here, a white board discussion
for how to go about it.
That involves not one person
, November 21, 2011 2:05 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
To everybody in the community,
Who else has a burning need for a new collaboration website?
rex
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
No I'm saying we are currently holding, right here
I originally wrote my notes for a prior post but noticed that
both Ian and Rex weighed in here, so I will as well.
Will, please reference my notes earlier.
1) I ported Pickwiki to MediaWiki, and provided a link to a
prototype which I could complete if we saw some significant
community interest.
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Sent: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:14 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
I originally wrote my notes for a prior post but noticed that
both Ian and Rex weighed in here, so I will as well.
Will, please reference my notes earlier.
1) I ported Pickwiki to MediaWiki, and provided
email routine
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:08 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Never invite Tony to give
: McGowan, Ian ian.mcgo...@bankofthewest.com
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Sent: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 8:30 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
O ye of little faith! ;-) It exists, but for me is besides the point. A wiki
is *not* a great method to collaborate on the actual code. It's
From: Wjhonson
It exists So that's two people who mention
something without giving any link TO it. Makes you
wonder why no one visits it!!
Will, I'm reminded why I don't get into forum discussions with
you - you don't read information that's provided. In the name of
brevity here (Never
Message-
From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com
To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
From: Wjhonson
It exists So that's two people who mention
something without giving any link TO it. Makes you
wonder
-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Sat, Nov 19, 2011 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
From: Wjhonson
It exists So that's two people who mention
something without giving any link TO it. Makes you
wonder why no one visits it!!
Will, I'm reminded why I don't get
From: Wjhonson
I hope you have some kind of spam control on the
install It doesn't come natively with one, as I've
learned after 2 or 4 thousand vandalisms
Well dude, I haven't been concerned about spam from this vector
for the last 2 years. But now that you've broadcast a direct
link to
Uh no. I did not say I know it's unprotected.
I said that MediaWiki doesn't natively come with spam protection.
I run my own copy as you may know, so I've had to figure out how to deal with
the spam.
Any solution we use is going to need to be publicly known. World wide public,
not just a
Romanow slestak...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Message-ID:
Something I have long desired is diff tool for mv records (that will
use standard diff/patch output) so it can integrate with other tools.
Maybe a packager for SB
, 2011 2:55 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Mecki
Thats why the board launched the Incubator project early this year. The
intent
s for this to become a repository of useful working examples of using the
echnology. But I don't have the time to write those all myself and we have
been
jthompson...@gmail.com
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Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
So, I thought what the original poster was getting at was:
1) Create a documentation/wiki/example site
) Make it searchable
) Have useful examples that make sense
immediate, and more used that PickWiki which seems
very cob-webby to me.
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From: John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com
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Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:46 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
So, I thought what the original
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Steve Romanow
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
In order to realize this vision, does every solution have
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
I will personally pay for a business bronze github subscription to help set
this up.
We need a small handful of people who are willing to work with setting this up
properly as well as people who already have tools worthy of being shared
,
an
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In order to realize this vision, does every solution have
] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:42 AM
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I will only be involved if there is a way to subscribe to changes, so they come
at me, instead of me needing to go to them.
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From: Daniel
it or load it.
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From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com
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Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
'GitHub can notify you when people interact with your code'
You have account settings
it.
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From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com
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Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
'GitHub can notify you when people interact with your code'
You have account settings to turn on/off
If it's just another PickWiki that's not a step forward in my opinion.
We could just post code there.
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From: Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:34 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
I
Github is pretty good for that, as well as bitbucket. Forks are
cheap, and you can also set yourself as watching a repo.
In my bitbucket u2-tools repo is a copy of ADD_XML_ELEMENT() which was
from Gregor's UV space blog. I talked to him and he was ok with me
putting it up there, but that is my
.
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From: Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:39 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Github is pretty good for that, as well as bitbucket. Forks are
heap, and you can also set yourself as watching
Does pickwiki bring changes to you? I get emails from GH and BB as
well. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.
What I would love to see is the MV community join the rest of the
worlds developers, and sharpen our skills. We are currently way too
ingrown to attract new blood.
Heck,
I'm sorry. I am going to continue doing what I do. Using any modern
tool that I feel is helpful and/or potentially useful in my job.
If anyone would like to collaborate, I'll be online, easy enough to
find. Good luck everyone.
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Steve Romanow
No it doesn't. That's the problem I see.
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From: Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com
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Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 10:58 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Does pickwiki bring changes to you? I get emails from GH and BB
: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Does pickwiki bring changes to you? I get emails from GH and BB as
well. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.
What I would love to see is the MV community join the rest of the
worlds developers, and sharpen our skills. We are currently way too
ingrown
FYI - PickWiki does have an RSS feed.
Also, have any of you considered Brian's U2 User wiki/website? The
wiki has a WYSIWYG editor, and the website has forums. And the site
may already have an RSS feed or email notifications.
But let's face it, nobody's going to change or tweak your program
Rex I have to disagree that no one's interested. I'm interested, and I think
there are others who are as well.
Whether or not we've all going to be interested in a new text editor, or a
faster sort routine, or a BASIC tool to parse XML that remains to be seen.
But the way we're going about it
Rex Gozar wrote:
But let's face it, nobody's going to change or tweak your program code just
because they can. If your code is useful to them, then they might download and
use it. snip
...This is not a tool or convenience problem. Most people are simply not
inspired
to share what they know;
I wasn't saying that no one's interested, but rather those that are
interested are already doing something to collaborate and contribute.
You got your knol thing going, Tony has got his blog, Steve's got
his GH and BB, and so on. A lack of tools isn't going to stop someone
that's inspired to
an email like Rex has just updated this program
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From: Rex Gozar rgo...@gmail.com
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Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
I wasn't saying that no one's interested, but rather those
Collaborating just for the sake of collaborating is a dead end. So is
setting up an infrastructure with the goal of simply encouraging
collaboration. People need to be excited about the *end results* and
potential of a project, and out of that group a tiny percentage will
want to actively
Rex, I completely agree. You can't just build a site and expect
people to show up and enjoy it. However MV FOSS repositories
have been created predicated on the idea that the internet has
been around for a while and most developers should already
understand the value of community collaboration,
Another need/want I have is a pygments [1] file for Unibasic. That
was syntax hilighting works on all the webapps that use pygments (such
as github, trac, wordpress).
[1] http://pygments.org/
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com wrote:
I have some U2 related code
The U2UG board has been discussing with Rocket how to encourage excitement that
U2 is not legacy but is a technology leader. I was at a presentation of a U2
VAR and they demonstrated product that would be indistinguishable from any
other player in open systems, Service architecture,
I think a major problem is the lack of training/documentation.
Great that there are all these new possibilities, but if you have to
figure everything out yourself it becomes very difficult to keep up with
the technology.
A lot of VARs (especially ours) are no help if you get the feeling they
Mecki
Thats why the board launched the Incubator project early this year. The intent
is for this to become a repository of useful working examples of using the
technology. But I don't have the time to write those all myself and we have
been trying to pursuade the community to get involved.
.
-Original Message-
From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Thu, Nov 17, 2011 2:55 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Mecki
Thats why the board launched the Incubator project early this year. The intent
s for this to become a repository
Ya know what I think the real problem is...
Most of us have about 100 irons in the fire, and, we would all love to
maintain/contribute, but, every time we start something, we realize, Oh
crap,
someone has to administer that Then once the poor soul administering it,
gets busy, misses a few
I personally find most projects uninteresting; I assume others do too.
I think people would gladly collaborate on a project that gave them
significant benefit, not just some incremental gain.
rex
Attempts at making Pick code collaboration projects have been mostly
unsuccessful. Why?
How
Github, SF.net, Bitbucket, etc are setup to allow team collaboration.
For each project there are issue trackers, wiki, code browsing, etc.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.com wrote:
Ya know what I think the real problem is...
Most of us have about 100 irons in
I have some U2 related code on these two sites.
https://bitbucket.org/slestak/u2-tools
https://github.com/slestak/RocketUnidata
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Steve Romanow slestak...@gmail.com wrote:
Github, SF.net, Bitbucket, etc are setup to allow team collaboration.
For each project
PICK is a highly proprietary database development environment which is SOLD
to VAR's.
Therefore, it is not much of a hobbyists tool for development. Therefore,
assuming that most programmers are employed by a company, who owns the code
anyway?
Nor is it an open source development environment,
To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:10 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Github, SF.net, Bitbucket, etc are setup to allow team collaboration.
or each project there are issue trackers, wiki, code browsing, etc.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:02 PM, John
, not the vendor.
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From: DavidJMurray (mvdbs.com) nab...@mvdbs.com
To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 11:44 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
PICK is a highly proprietary database development environment which is SOLD
o VAR's
The contractual obligations between a employee, contractor and software
vendor differ.
I always abide by the contractual obligations.
I have no issues with group collaborations. But I would not use U2 or a PICK
derivative for such a project as I can not legally obtain a licensed copy of
U2
: DavidJMurray (mvdbs.com) nab...@mvdbs.com
To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
The contractual obligations between a employee, contractor and software
endor differ.
I always abide by the contractual obligations.
I have
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(mvdbs.com)
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
The contractual obligations between a employee, contractor and software vendor
differ.
I always abide by the contractual
I am not sure what you are talking about David
You can buy a copy of U2 and PE allows development. Rocket has to earn income
or there will be no U2, so they do realistically expect commercial operations
to pay for licenses. For developers developing code there is a range of
options, talk to
code, that's the very point
of making it free to developers.
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To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
The contractual
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of DavidJMurray
(mvdbs.com)
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
The contractual obligations between a employee, contractor and software
16, 2011 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Then Rocket should change the licensing info on their web site:
This edition is designed for single-user personal development and training
s well as sales demos. It is not for remarketing or use in production
nvironments.
I take 'personal
16, 2011 1:43 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
Then Rocket should change the licensing info on their web site:
This edition is designed for single-user personal development and training as
well as sales demos. It is not for remarketing or use
Good to get that sorted.
Back to code collaboration.
Daniel McGrath wrote:
It is 'personal development' as opposed to 'commercial development'. That
is also development as in software development, not as in self-improvement
development.
-
Learn and Do
Excel and Share
On 16/11/11 18:32, Wjhonson wrote:
The PickWiki is a place where code can be published, but I haven't seen even
one case where code has been taken, enhanced, and put back.
So it doesn't appear to be a good place for collaboration.
Well, I've both improved other peoples' code, and had others
Okay so that's everything that doesn't work.
Is there another step forward?
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From: Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk
To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Code Collaboration
On 16/11/11 18:32, Wjhonson wrote
So what collaborative project do you want to start? What do you want to build?
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Something I have long desired is diff tool for mv records (that will
use standard diff/patch output) so it can integrate with other tools.
Maybe a packager for SB+
A diff tool for SB+ that understand what records make up an SB+ object.
I started some thinking this direction on a sourceforge
On 16/11/11 20:40, DavidJMurray (mvdbs.com) wrote:
Well, it's not really worth a fight as I am not a lawyer, but from the wed
site:
This edition is designed for single-user personal development and training
as well as sales demos. It is not for remarketing or use in production
environments.
I take it you find the SB+ /COMPARE tool a little wanting
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From: Steve Romanow
Something I have long desired is diff tool for mv records (that will
use standard diff/patch output) so it can integrate with other tools.
Maybe a packager for SB+
A diff tool for SB+
Yeah, the data is good, but the output is not what I want. and I
couldn't use it on a select list of items.
It is better than nothing, but not really what I am looking for.
I use vimdiff a lot (with my U2 work) and one thing I love is when
there is a difference on a line, it hilights where on
From: Wjhonson
Okay so that's everything that doesn't work.
Is there another step forward?
The PickWiki is a place where code can be published,
but I haven't seen even ne case where code has been
taken, enhanced, and put back. So it doesn't appear to
be a good place for collaboration.
As a proponent of using tools and creating tools for the Universe and
Unidata databases, I find myself agreeing with Tony. I have spent the last
7 years using and building Eclipse based tools that use a built in compare
tool, version control, continuous compiler, and hundreds of other features.
Did anyone buy a lotto ticket or check for planetary alignment?
This might not ever happen again: Doug, Will, and Tony all in
amicable agreement on the same day... ;)
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