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Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
It's already April 1st here, so I'll bid the list and its participants
farewell. It's been fun and, I hope, at least a bit helpful for some. And
a final big thank you to Clif.
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one to the other
is a tad
time-consuming.
Basically, without the list I'm left high and dry.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Behalf Of Wendy Smoak
Sent: 29 March 2004 06:23
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Lee Leitner
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 March 2004 09:03
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus.
2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug
3) We DONT want the lists to continue
Go to the web site, and enter each forum you
Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson
Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't
live in the
land of the mighty dollar. We have to pay for our traffic,
we have
employment contracts that forbid us from internet access
during
experience, and it's just easy. And the ads haven't gotten too
heinous (yet).
--Kevin
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http://www.PrecisOnline.com
/snip
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From: Anthony Youngman
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Sent: 30/03/04 05:19
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
What do we do? It looks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Don Kibbey
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:13 PM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Dude, your like the dog that just won't stop humping the guests leg.
Get
over
As stated earlier, kindly leave the guests alone. They are tired of your flaming.
If your not interested in learning some legacy techniques then kindly just go away
and code up some wonderful stuff in vb against a nice fat Oracle data store.
Bye!!!
Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Universe - was: The lists are closing
Our UV Developers here have over 25 years of Experience doing the stuff
the do... I personally am not interested in learning the details of UV
since nobody really uses this kinda stuff at Corporate Level.
I am simply surprised why UV is still used
, 2004 5:18 AM
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson
Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't
live in the
land of the mighty dollar. We have to pay for our traffic,
we have
employment contracts that forbid us from internet
apart from the fact that we see it as our mutual
self-interest to work together.
Cheers,
Wol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mark Johnson
Sent: 30 March 2004 14:06
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
Perhaps
Well, I'm sorry the lists are closing, but I can sympathize with Clif. I'm
not a happy camper, since that means now I have one more thing to put on my
to-do list every day (go check the forums), but so it goes. Clif, thanx
for the effort you've put in over the years.
Dave Liesse
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Ditto. I signed up for both the DataStage and U2UG forums, but I don't
have time to keep web hopping around. If I check once or twice a week I
would consider that good!! Here's hoping for a new listserver arrangement.
At 09:29 AM 03/30/2004, you wrote:
Well, I'm sorry the lists
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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lists are closing
Well, I'm sorry the lists are closing, but I can sympathize with Clif. I'm
not a happy camper, since that means now I have one more thing to put on my
to-do list every day (go check
IBM can cause a change to accomodate the high level of service the
oliver list provided.
my 1 cent.
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:18 AM
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Listen
- Original Message -
From: Anthony Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
U2UG is OF the users, BY the users, and FOR the users.
[snip]
Cheers,
Wol
If this statement is true it sounds like someone wasn't listening
or asking the users if they were even interested in this forum
idea. It
, and neither IBM nor u2ug.
Cheers,
Wol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Ron White
Sent: 30 March 2004 16:14
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
- Original Message -
From: Anthony Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip
- was: The lists are closing
Joe, GET A LIFE.
We're pickies, we don't need to understand XML, or whatever,
so long as
we can do what's required of us. Yeah, we could learn XML,
if required.
I guarantee I could write a proggie to do just about
anything, interface
with anything, natively
Hewkin
-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 March 2004 16:34
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Damn it... Don't you anything something better to do!
Moderator Stopped this Thread!
-Original Message
There seems to be much confusion here. Let me take a shot at straightening
it out:
1. The U2 lists have been run by Clif Oliver for a very long time. Clif has
no direct ties to IBM or any of the companies who owned the U2 products
before hand.
2. Clif has been running the lists on his own time;
worked and happy Hewkin
-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 30 March 2004 16:34
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Damn it... Don't you anything something better to do!
Moderator Stopped
We're pickies, we don't need to understand XML, or whatever, so long
as we can do what's required of us. Yeah, we could learn XML, if
required.
Joe suggests we can't learn XML, lets see fellow pickies, XML is
hierarchical what do we know that could possibly help us understand that :).
Dennis Bartlett wrote:
All that subscribing to a forum will do for you is that
you'll get an email telling you that someone has replied
to something on the forum.
The email will NOT contain the posting, nor any reference
short of the subject line to the previous post.
In short, all
Thanks, Dana. Your explanation makes sense. Seems like the issues here relate to the
suddenness of the lists closing. I'll really miss the free-flowing conversations.
Then again, Clif more than deserves a vacation, and the tight deadline has focused
this discussion wonderfully.
And many
LOL - Ron - where were you while they were BEGGING for people to become
members and attend conference call meetings to decide how to set up the
user's group and forum area? It was MONTHS ago that they asked for input,
but probably got just enough to realize they'd have to wing it...
And in
Wo... Lighten up, please. We're all trying to figure this out. And its
not too late to start helping out. After tomorrow's meeting of the U2UG
board (an all-volunteer board, so far; we haven't gotten around to having
elections yet), we may be able to put forward some ideas as to where we're
David,
Don't put 'volunteer' in the past tense. We will be looking for SIG
leaders soon, we will be looking for forum moderators soon, and we will
be transitioning to an elected board. There's always work for more hands
in an organization of this type. If IBM keeps growing the U2 market (and
Good point!! I currently sit on a Volunteer Board (Treasurer no less) - and
as anyone who does this will likely attest - there is nothing like working
on a volunteer Board to make you fear for (or despise g) humanity in
general! The number of after-the fact non-volunteers pointing out what we
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
You are partly correct when you say UV treats all data as strings. However,
if the UV programmer is careful he/she can get it to do maths processing.
Variables within UVBasic are string unless the result
In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson
Are you hearing nothing?
Please don't start insulting me you ignorant fat slob.
Will
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In a message dated 3/30/2004 11:02:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
6. The U2UG web site has U2 fora as the means of communication, something
which people have been asking for for a long time. The decision to start the
fora was made when the lists were also available so
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson
Are you hearing nothing
I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples.
I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with
6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle,
although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a
Your not just going to lay there and take that are you?
Scott Stir the pot Thompson
In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson
Are you hearing nothing?
Please don't start insulting
Don't you think the UV people meant that everything in UV is stored in the
file (treated) as strings (characters)? Maybe that confused Joe, not
coming from a pick environment.
Ron You think this is intense? I used to work with Will Walenciak
:)
ps: Will: I'd work with you again
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On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:32 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:22:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
Then perhaps you should take your own advice and HIT DELETE
-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[unsightly rubbish snipped]
IF you feel my comments are without SUBSTANCE...
WHY NOT ARGUE BACK with some Valid Proof...
Instead of start Calling People Names...
Don't forget the 80/20 rule. 80% of the work gets done by 20% of the
people.
Eugene
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From: David Wolverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Good point!! I
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You
- was: The lists are closing
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You are partly correct when you say UV treats all data as strings.
However,
if the UV programmer is careful he/she can get it to do maths
processing
Oh, my. When I misread a situation, I do a bang up job of it, don't I? It
was never my intent to throw the community into such an uproar. I still
intend to quit being the list host and moderator. But it appears that not
only is U2UG not sure how/if/when they could take on the load, but I
didn't
Just let me be the first to say - YEA!!!
Thanks for the last minute reprieve, Gover... er, Clif.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:43 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE
In a message dated 3/30/2004 7:34:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Trevor,
I *think* the issue is that the mv runtime does typecast variables
on the fly, transparently. Which means that assigning a number or the
result of a numeric expression (AVAR = 1 * 3) results
Great news!
Thanks again Cliff
Cheers
Trevor Ockenden
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Dennis Bartlett agrees that:
Dennis Bartlett wrote:
All that subscribing to a forum
And that
Dennis Bartlett was obviously smoking out of some BEEG pot
resulting in the fact that
Dennis Bartlett
is truly soree
errr..
oops
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another
topic ...)
Cheers,
Wol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny
Sent: 30 March 2004 23:37
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Then perhaps you should take your own
Clif,
Like others I've selfishly used your lists for my gain,
without thinking of the work involved.
Like others,I've learnt so much,
and probably given so little.
Like others, I've flamed, been flamed,
and duly reprimanded in such a loving way :)
Like others, I've been
So there Will Johnson
Ha Will! So nice to see you're wearing a new style...
Must say it really suits you...
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Cliff,
We whose lists are about to die, salute you.
It's been a great service - you should be held up as a shining example to
moderators everywhere in promoting the best blend of discussion, humour and
debate amongst a very informative list.
More than that, you have made us all into a (not
British Humour in the morning ain't it great?
Don Kibbey
Financial Systems Manager
Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett Dunner LLP
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Cliff,
We whose lists are about to die, salute you.
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..Yes I'll see you, I'll see you on the other side...
- Ozzy Osbourne
-Original Message-
From: Brian Leach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:36 AM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Cliff,
We whose lists are about to die, salute
Ye'll tak the high road and I'll tak the low road ...
Cheers,
Wol
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Burwell, Edward
Sent: 29 March 2004 15:35
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
..Yes I'll see you, I'll see
: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:35 AM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
..Yes I'll see you, I'll see you on the other side...
- Ozzy Osbourne
-Original Message-
From: Brian Leach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:36 AM
To: 'U2 Users
I have a simple-minded idea that may increase the value of the U2UG website
and prevent us from loosing the huge amount of already accumulated
knowledge that resides in this list. Would it be possible to transfer the
posts to the list tothe website? I know that there may be some legal
Or maybe there could be a way for us to download them in a zipped format? Probably
too much data though huh? BTW, I too want to pay my respects to Clif for hosting the
list. I have learned so much just by reading through other peoples
problems/experiences and by the direct responses to my
The archives for the lists (which go back to the mid-90's) would remain
for now at http://www.indexinfocus.com. But I don't yet see a way to go
forward on our site archiving the IBM web content so they'd be static. We
do plan real soon now to add other content.
Is there a general opinion that
.
Joe Eugene
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:30 AM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
I can't say if MV is slow or inefficient
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
David,
As the list is closing this is probably not off topic - so I will
comment.
I believe PICK has been around since the mid to late 1960's, whereas
Oracle
and the SQL relation model has been around only since the mid to late
1970
I would argue that the lists should continue. With some employers offering
e-mail, but not web-access to their employees, those employees would be
able to contribute to an e-mail list, but not a forum.
Steve Wagner
At 11:02 AM 3/29/04 -0500, you wrote:
The archives for the lists (which go
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:30 AM
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
I can't say if MV is slow or inefficient as far as database handling
compared to various relational DBMS environments. Since the tests
themselves (TPC, etc) are biased
- was: The lists are closing
I can't say if MV is slow or inefficient as far as database handling
compared to various relational DBMS environments.
I don't think its hard to prove that UV is Much IN-Efficient than other
advanced DataBase Technologies. Here is a simple test...
1. Populate UV
. Meeks
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:37 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging
technologies as rapidly as the 'Big Three', it HAS done so.
U2, for example, has support
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On
Behalf Of Donald Kibbey
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
So, what's your point? Use C# against the UV database if that's what
you
want to do (I and others have been doing this for a couple of years
now
Conversation: The lists are closing
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Lee Leitner wrote:
The archives for the lists (which go back to the mid-90's)
would remain for now at http://www.indexinfocus.com.
Is there a general opinion that the email lists should
continue? How can we avoid
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On
Behalf Of Jeff Schasny
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
At the risk of being rude (which I don't really mind all that much).
Your
comments simply verify my initial
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of David T. Meeks
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:37 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced
is Lost there...
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Donald Kibbey
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
So, what's your point? Use C# against the UV
Joe,
I shouldn't even dignify this crap with a reply, but anyway ...
1. Populate UV and Oracle with around 10 Million records.
2. Write fairly complex Web Application against it.
3. Run a Web Application Stress tool(around 1000 Users)
switching Databases within the same DB Machine.
We've
Hi,
Having been part of this list for only a short period I have found the
discussions very useful and the answers to questions posed have always
worked, even though we use Universe as our database, most of the solutions
are universal across the MV community.
I for one will be sorry to see the
Eugene
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of David T. Meeks
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:37 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
While one could make the argument that Pick has
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On Behalf Of Wendy Smoak
Posted At: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:23 AM
Posted To: Informix-mv
Conversation: The lists are closing
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
Lee Leitner wrote:
The archives for the lists (which go back to the mid-90's)
would remain for now at http
- was: The lists are closing
While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging
technologies as rapidly as the 'Big Three', it HAS done so.
U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe they
either have or are working on Web Services support (I
Users Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Joe,
I shouldn't even dignify this crap with a reply, but anyway ...
1. Populate UV and Oracle with around 10 Million records.
2. Write fairly complex Web Application against it.
3. Run a Web Application
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn
- Clark Gable as Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind
At 12:01 PM 3/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
With all due respects, Sir, you are beginning to bore the hell out of me!
-- Clint Eastwood as Gunnery Sgt. Thomas Highway in Heartbreak Ridge
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Will
Sent: March 29, 2004 3:02 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
You want Pick on the web... simple, use Visage!
Patrick Will Williams, President
American Computer Technics, Inc
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of David T. Meeks
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:56 AM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
So, UV does everything on the BackEnd, but SQL Server does your data
warehousing.
And you
1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus.
2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug
3) We DONT want the lists to continue
Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested in and click on SUBSCRIBE
this will make all responses come to your email box just as they do
In a message dated 3/29/2004 11:07:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
1. Populate UV and Oracle with around 10 Million records.
2. Write fairly complex Web Application against it.
3. Run a Web Application Stress tool(around 1000 Users)
switching Databases within the
2:03 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: The lists are closing
1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus.
2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug
3) We DONT want the lists to continue
Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested in and click
In a message dated 3/29/2004 11:27:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
e.g. We pull XML Reports from our Vendors Real Time. I have to parse
through the XML and give UV/PICK Guys a FLAT TEXT File... cause either
UV Cannot handle the storage and Retrival of XML Data Using
Please Speak LOUDER!!!
*throws you a raw steak*
Will raw steak Johnson
In a message dated 3/29/2004 12:26:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Going MainStream and staying with BIG THREE is Better for the
future of the Company's Needs. BIG THREE has A LOT OF
INVESTMENT
in
I think Joe may realize a couple things:
1) He doesn't know enough about the system to criticize it.
2) The IT people in his UV shop didn't know much either.
Many Pick guys get into Pick because they know their business market but not
much about technology, and Pick makes it easy to write
by only very
occasionally, or when I'm in need of help.
My $NZ0.02
Mike
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lee Leitner
Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 04:03
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: The lists are closing
[snip
Raleigh, NC
- Original Message -
From: Michael Spencer
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Last I looked at Visage, it:
1) required javascript skills
2) had no published price
3
Hi Joe
I have worked with variety of databases and I think using one
performance statistic to evaluate the capabilities of one database
against another is meaningless. As a professional I consider all
databases for any business requirement and select on their merits. To
discount MV products
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On Behalf Of Will
Sent: March 29, 2004 3:02 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
You want Pick on the web... simple, use Visage!
Patrick Will Williams, President
American Computer Technics, Inc.
919-567-0042
Joe,
Here's a few things to consider. MV environments (including
UniVerse), allow for small teams to develop and adjust business rules
more quickly than you can you can in Oracle, Sybase, or Informix.
Published statistics show that MV environments are roughly twice as
efficient in disk
List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Charles,
Our Customer Information is stored in UV and accessed via PICK.
This FILE (as UV ppl call it) contains around 500,000 Records in it.
Everything is INDEXED Per UV Standards.
Here is simple WILD CARD Search Test.
RESULTS
Joe,
Have you checked the file sizes? Have you checked the index
parameters? I'll make you a bet. You bring me in for a week (i'll
probably need most of that week to prove my results, the fixes will take
less than a day) and I bet you we can make a meaningful improvement in
your response
, David (SST - Adelaide)
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:55 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Hi Joe,
Perhaps you could share your actual searches, code and database
structure? Were you searching 20 million records in a single column
table
- was: The lists are closing
David,
All I ask is to keep an open mind as PICK plays an important role in
some areas of technology that cannot be replaced
I am very open minded to all Technologies and I think every software
professional will benefit from being open to technologies.
I have been unable
Ockenden
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From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
This is what I meant ... TYPO
RESULTS
Machine: 950 MHZ Athlon
Database
years of experience simply cannot make it perform
well.
Joe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Trevor Ockenden
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:17 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Ockenden
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:10 PM
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Joe
Have I missed something here. You refer to the QUAD as having MSSQL
SERVER
2K as the database so where does the UV (or PICK) files fit
You are correct. It was your Trivial things and stupid comments that I was
answering.
Regards,
T.
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Joe Eugene wrote:
I have heard stories where several corporations migrated to RDBMS,
Never heard any LARGE Corp(Hershey, GE, BOfA etc) switch to UV/MVDBMS.
Of the many companies who have migrated from MV to an RDBMS you always hear
the fanfare of their initial decision but rarely of the years of
Joe
Thanks for the direct reply.
I have had some experience with 'mainstream' databases and due mainly to my
lack of knowledge and experience I found them to be cumbersome, inefficient
and expensive for the type of applications I was dealing with.
Having said that, I have seen some fantastic
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Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 2:01 PM
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Joe why are you on this list?
What is the point of hanging around haranging (sp?) us if you are not
interested in learning anything as you put it?
Why
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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:55 PM
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Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Joe
One final point. You find it hard to believe people on this LIST get so
defensive.
May I suggest that if we
teasing
This is a test, right? Y'all got together off-list and cooked this up to
see if I was going to follow through or just roll over and let things
free-wheel for the duration.
/teasing
Seriously, this kind of name calling, mud slingly, and vitriol is
disturbing in its lack of
Dont you still get it...? Think a little bit HARDER!...
Joe Eugene
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