Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

2015-06-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Raising revenue is done in one way. We ask people, they give. We tell everybody that the WMF is a charity in the USA.. FINE but it is also a charity in many other countries for instance in the Netherlands. Increasing the amount of money in the Netherlands can be done in many ways. The chapter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

2015-06-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
t > and move towards a solution. > > Thank you. > Regards > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:23 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Raising revenue is done in one way. We ask people, they give. > > > > We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia Survive?" op-ed

2015-06-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What I absolutely hate in this piece is something that has been obvious for so long: "... , or to groups devoted to non-English languages?". It is the lack of attention and funding that has discriminated against other languages. The attitude of "when it works for the big Wikipedias, it will wo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia Survive?" op-ed

2015-06-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Magnus pointed the way forward when he started MediaWiki. When you look into the whole stack of his data related tools, you will find how they make aggregating data a whole lot easier and worthwhile. He demonstrated how people on a mobile can be asked to help with "simple" tasks it works well

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia Survive?" op-ed

2015-06-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
while enterprise > (smartphones...well, I'm not even persuaded they're going to exist five > years from now in the way that we know them today...) > > Risker/Anne > > On 22 June 2015 at 13:41, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > Magnus po

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia Survive?" op-ed

2015-06-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
iters than they gain us quality content. Thanks, GerardM On 23 June 2015 at 23:16, Ed Erhart wrote: > Gerard, > > We need many more "text junkies," also known as article writers. Don't > denigrate them. > > Best, > --Ed > > On Tue, Jun 23, 20

Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

2015-06-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The United States is not singular in its size, its diversity, the number of people. Arguably India, Brazil and Russia compare. The one difference the USA has is its historic attention from the WMF in every aspect of its operations. Arguably, the WMF has performed many of what would be expect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

2015-06-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference for USA activities. That is what chapters are about. Thanks. GerardM On 28 June 2015 at 14:18, James Salsman wrote: > GerardM, > > Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF > co-headquarters

Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

2015-06-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Hear, hear !! Thanks, GerardM On 28 June 2015 at 12:44, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > > The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US > > chapter is founded ;-) > W > Not quite, but it would be an important step in that direction. Work on USA > projects should be done

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

2015-06-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
droit-de-panorama/ > > Best > Rupert > On Jun 28, 2015 5:42 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference > for > > USA activities. That is what chapters are about. > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, While the quality of the articles is not something I care to discuss. The main thing of the many articles is that as a result of the existence of these articles, the number of readers of these languages has gone up and hte number of editors has gone up as well. Our aim is to share in the sum

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, How do you know that there is no impact ? https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm shows clearly how much Cebuano has grown considerably in page views. The same is true for Waray Waray. Compare it to languages with a similar number of speakers. Please explain how this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
en a bot is running in an encyclopedia supported by a > "mature" community, because the articles will be improved in quality and > will generate more and more effects. > > Regards > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
t be > welcome in Wikipedia, they are more appropriated for Wikidata where the > integration with Wikipedia is done in a right manner and are at the service > of the overall communities. > > Regards > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
and are at the service > of the overall communities. > > Regards > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > I would not say that the Encyclopaedia Britannica is NOT an > encyclopaedia. > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
unity, instead a > central repository like Wikidata facilitates this control. > > The same concept of Wikipedia is in discussion. > > It's an encyclopedia, but another encyclopedia (may we can it "botpedia"?). > > Regards > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] MIT Technology Review: "Why Wikipedia + Open Access = Revolution"

2015-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Did you notice Swedish and Waray Waray in the graph ? Thanks, GerardM On 6 July 2015 at 05:11, Pine W wrote: > An encouraging article in Technology Review: > > > http://www.technologyreview.com/view/539001/why-wikipedia-open-access-revolution/ > > Pine > ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
inform about approaches that make Wikidata more relevant and I am quite happy with the progress that has been made. However, Wikipedia think does harm Wikidata. Thanks, GerardM On 6 July 2015 at 12:40, Marco Chiesa wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Environmental impact of Wikipedia

2015-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Greenpeace has a great writeup on the subject. It describes the current issues with the use of energy and how big websites make a difference. Thanks, GerardM http://www.greenpeace.nl/Global/nederland/report/2015/Klimaat%20en%20energie/Clicking%20Clean%20-%20A%20Guide%20to%20Building%20th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Have you EVER set foot in Wikidata? Because the notion that its data can be readily understood is absurd. Reasonator can be used in stead it may even generate text and, this works rather well for English. It could work for other languages. One problem with Reasonator is that for ordinary user

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You will appreciate that when text is generated and cached. It may change when additional statements are made. So it will improve as and when improved information becomes available. As someone who knows the IT branch as well, the maintenance of data is a challenge but you will agree with me t

[Wikimedia-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, At this moment Wikipedia "red links" provide no information whatsoever. This is not cool. In Wikidata we often have labels for the missing (=red link) articles. We can and do provide information from Wikidata in a reasonable way that is informative in the "Reasonator". We also provide additi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
fashion. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaWIKIDATA.htm On 21 January 2014 18:13, Ryan Lane wrote: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > > > At this moment Wikipedia "red links&qu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
is pure JavaScript, so should be easily > > portable, even to a Wikipedia:Reasonator.js page (or several pages, with > > support JS). > > > > git here: > > https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/reasonator > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM, R

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
d help readers and (source editor) writers, > as the important facts are on the screen for them to include into the prose > of the new article. > On Jan 21, 2014 10:18 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > > > At this moment Wikipedia "red links"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community consultation + Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director selection process

2014-01-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry I cannot parse this " suffering from a paid advocacy-introduced inaccuracy contrary to the peer reviewed secondary literature" Thanks, GerardM On 22 January 2014 11:29, James Salsman wrote: > Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > >... > > we are trying to reach potential candidates in a d

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
echnically already do, all we'd have to do > > is add a blank infobox, and it should automatically fill up with the > > wikidata information. In light of that, writing code to fill an infobox > > with values form wikidata to paste into the article seems ... low-tech > ;-) > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We can provide information now(ish). We are discussing draft because it is a likely avenue. It is however very much NOT intended for the English Wikipedia. If anything it would be much better if we work this out on other Wikipedias first. The most benefit from Reasonator will be for the bott

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You are conflating two tools .. they are still quite distinct.. - What you refer to is a query tool and IT provides you with the numbers you quote. - Reasonator provides you with a search functionality and a display functionality So Reasonator gives you something like this [1] Th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As I recall it there is a category with Russian female painters.. Using "Widar" [1] and identifying them as a painter and a female takes all of 5 minutes.. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist.html On 24 January 2014 13:40, Jane Darnell wrote: > Magnus

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Botopedia?

2014-02-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, At Wikidata the number of items and the associated data is growing steadily. We are dealing with the aftermath of some bots and to be honest, that is also very much the name of the game. An example: many species have been added in the ceb nl sv Wikipedia and it would be wonderful if the "par

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Botopedia?

2014-02-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen
ertise (like knowledge in Lua, how to > write datainterface to external dataproviders) . Right now we are > discussing with our local chapter, if they can provide technical expertise > when ours is not enough , we are after all wikipedians not tech wizards > > And we are missing to

[Wikimedia-l] Generated texts

2014-02-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this way is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available. The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in such pr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Generated texts

2014-02-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
the extrapolations made by the > script (like pictures identified as linked to that item). In that case > it is pretty obvious that the data is still unusable, but what if the > 3-5-10 articles I check are OK? Are there any guidelines on that? > > Thanks, > Strainu > > 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

2014-02-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There are two areas where the Wikimedia Foundation is active; the USA where it is active through both chapters and the office in San Francisco. The rest of the world where it is active through chapters and whatever. Does the funding gap limit the office in the same way it does the rest of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

2014-02-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
A/ English speaking world and it effectively prevents many things from happening on our shared globe. Thanks, GerardM On 12 February 2014 18:01, Delirium wrote: > On 2/11/14, 9:14 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > >> There are two areas where the Wikimedia Foundation is active; the USA &g

[Wikimedia-l] Adding labels in your language in Wikidata

2014-02-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When the information in Wikidata is to be useful, there have to be labels for the items that are on display in Wikidata. In the Reasonator, the tool that visualises the information from Wikidata, we always show you a label in a language. It is possible to set your babel information to ensure f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Proposed amendment to the Wikimedia Terms of Use

2014-02-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When people make information available that fits in the notability requirements of Wikidata and, when the information is factually correct, then I do not think that anyone really cares if the person uploading it is gets paid for it or not. Please explain to me why I should care. As it is the

[Wikimedia-l] Using Wikidata for your projects

2014-02-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The tooling that Magnus has developed is gaining in maturity. It now has the functionality to enrich and visualise the data in Wikidata from the content of categories and lists in Wikipedias. It is possible to make sure that the subjects of *YOUR* project includes all the statements implied

Re: [Wikimedia-l] extend mediawiki software to allow append a "group", and "COI" to an edit

2014-02-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Why ? Thanks. GerardM On 22 February 2014 21:13, Gryllida wrote: > I do mind 5 and 6, since their submissions would be deleted aggressively. > I feel that you may introduce a marker if you want, but not a separate > queue. > > On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, at 2:25, rupert THURNER wrote: > > hi

[Wikimedia-l] Maps based on Wikidata data

2014-03-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, In the latest iteration of the "Reasonator", you will find the option to see what items exist in a radius of 15 km around the current item. Obviously, you will find only those items that have a geo-coordinate. There are however many of them :) They are everything from cities to amusement parks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ED transition responsibility

2014-03-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
James, Sorry, you know that answer as well as we all do. Sue has not gone. The board is still there. Thanks, GerardM On 25 March 2014 01:23, James Salsman wrote: > Hi Gayle, > > During the ED transition, who is responsible for insuring that > Foundation advocacy is aligned with the interes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our next strategy plan-Paid editing

2014-03-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Do we have a way of indicating that something was graded at a given date ? Thanks, GerardM On 26 March 2014 22:35, Andrew Gray wrote: > The WP 1.0 model is pretty good (at least across a sample of a hundred or > so articles) but it's quite labour-intensive. It's also very easy to give

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-03-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Video conferencing is ok-ish.. at best. It does not give you the opportunity that face to face communications gives you. It does not allow you to get through the fog of misunderstanding, Really, when the right people go for the right reasons, it pays its dividents. Cost is only one criteria t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-03-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
a consideration when there is not enough and when it is not spend effectively. Thanks, GerardM On 31 March 2014 14:34, Fæ wrote: > On 31 March 2014 12:02, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > Hoi, > > Video conferencing is ok-ish.. at best. It does not give you the > > opportun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-03-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
longer the chair, why rule "from the grave"? Thanks, GerardM On 31 March 2014 15:36, Fæ wrote: > On 31 March 2014 14:08, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > Hoi, > > When there is enough money to go around, efficacy should be the primary > > consideration. When charit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
estion could be "you are sending a large delegation, why is that". It is not legitimate to say "you waste money by sending people to a conference, why is that". Thanks, GerardM Op 31 mrt. 2014 16:44 schreef "Russavia" : > Gerard, et al > > On Mon, Ma

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
es and logistics like every year before. > > > > > > There is still time (2 days) to give input to the schedule or > > > volunteer as a speaker for some of the sessions. And most importantly, > > > to start discussing and taking position towards the conference topic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A decision in Commons regarding URAA affected files

2014-04-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thanks GerardM On 3 April 2014 17:37, Yael Meron wrote: > After a discussion[1] in Commons regarding this subject, a decision was > made, stating that URAA cannot be used as the sole reason for deletion. > > We consider this a good solution for this situation, considering there is > curren

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I can understand the sentiment and, it makes some sense. However, I do not like weasel words ... "paid employees".. Bah They are not volunteering. They are on a job, have a mission. I think that employees of any organisations may work for the benefit of bringing the sum of all knowledge toget

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fuck the community, who cares

2014-04-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What is it that you intend to do. Hang them and, hang them high?? You already know that it was in a very emotional moment ... What is your objective? What do you expect as a result and how will that be in everyone's benefit?? Thanks, Gerard On 7 April 2014 12:16, Tomasz W. Kozlowski

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fuck the community, who cares

2014-04-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
ppens within an special group dynamic process. If this > has occured, he would not have written this in his blog. > > h > Am 07.04.2014 12:52, schrieb Gerard Meijssen: > > Hoi, >> What is it that you intend to do. Hang them and, hang them high?? >> >> You alr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fuck the community, who cares

2014-04-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
members > of the community (Dutch Wikipedians) and the other way around. Maybe > it's a cultural thing and we swear a lot in our internal meetups in > the Netherlands, dunno about that, but I never felt offended when I > heard these statements and in context have agreed wit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The aim of the movement

2014-04-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
I want to find an > answer for WMDE at least. > > Best, > Steffen > > > > > 2014-04-08 8:22 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen : > > > Hoi, > > Take one step back. What our aim is, is to share in the sum of all > > knowledge. Arguably, this is the main and over

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fuck the community, who cares

2014-04-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, One reason is that the license of Wikidata is questioned by members of the Wikidata community. Thanks, GerardM On 8 April 2014 11:27, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > From where I stand ie Wikidat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'm back

2014-04-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Interested in your old haunts at the language committee ? Any way, wb ! Thanks, Gerard On 17 April 2014 22:47, Milos Rancic wrote: > For those who care, I'm back. > > My absence wasn't related to Wikimedia. It was about first world > problems, which hit me quite hard. I never thought t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you consider that many if not most US mayors of a city with over 25.000 inhabitants of the 19th century have a Wikipedia article, it is relevant to notice that most South African members of the National Assemblee do not have an article [1]. When you consider that English is a major langu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Search (it was "Commons' frontpage...")

2014-05-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We already have this in WD-Search. Try it for instance on the Telugu or Tamil Wikipedia. Search for any subject that is covered in a Wikidata supported Wiki. You can use any script. When the label exists, it will find it for you. Thanks to automated descriptions you will get to see what the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons tagging and/versus categorization

2014-05-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Easy and obvious when you look at it with eyes that do not expect English. A tag will be linked to Wikidata. Consequently it will show differently depending on the language you have selected for yourself. It is just these other people who will be serviced. Another reason is that there are art

[Wikimedia-l] Wikidata vs Wikipedia

2014-05-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Amir Ladsgroup has developed reports that show differences between the date of birth and the date of death as known in the English Wikipedia and Wikidata. Such differences may be wrong in either Wikidata or Wikipedia. They are the ones that need attention, they are the ones where sources make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons tagging and/versus categorization

2014-05-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, OmegaWiki did a proof of concept for tagging images with multilingual tags years ago.. Categories are broken by design. It is not only that they are unilingual, it is also that they are always in the plural. Why look for horses when you look for a picture of a horse? Thanks, GerardM On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata vs Wikipedia

2014-05-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
> where in fact Wikipedia has the (sourced) date August > 7, 1966 which is identical to the date in Wikidata. > > Regards, > Thyge > > > 2014-05-20 9:33 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen : > > > Hoi, > > Amir Ladsgroup has developed reports that show differences between

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, James is right in that we could do better in growing the number of people contributing to our projects. So what is it that makes people back? Typically it is that they find the information they look for. Typically it is that their contribution is valued and does not take too much effort. Whe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Aaron, A point I often make is that both Commons and Wikidata provide activities for new people to get their feet wet in our projects. With Wiki loves monuments we gain an entry in the Guiness book of records. With the latest Wikidata games we gain a LOT of new statements in Wikidata in a real

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-06-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yana you mentioned that all WMF projects may become under the "zero" flag... is Labs being considered for this as well ? Thanks, GerardM On 1 June 2014 09:57, Yana Welinder wrote: > As the Quartz article from Jens's email discusses, the decision in Chile is > very unfortunate.[1] It's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There are two types of cost. There is money and there is attention to people. As far as I am concerned you are a previous big shot of the English chapter and you did not get your way in everything or things moved on. Apparently you have a big problem with that because you can not leave off. Yo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
by depicting yourself as "only" an unpaid volunteer. it does not help. It does not convince and it does not make your remarks helpful or pleasant or bring about a cooperative spirit. Thanks, GerardM On 1 June 2014 12:07, Fæ wrote: > On 1 June 2014 10:53, Gerard Meijssen wrot

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation

2014-06-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Jane is in my top 1% of most accomplished Wikimedians She is VERY effective on both Wikipedia, Commons and WIkidata. Thanks, GerardM On 1 June 2014 21:13, Rui Correia wrote: > Well, from your previous post I was left the distinct impression that > neither you nor your female friends

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Russavia, Do you remember like me reading why these people came to this conference? In that light, do your remarks provide us with any connection to these objectives? .Do you know the topics of the presentations given? Do you know the topics of the conversations that happened inside and outside the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-06-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
e, Jun 3, 2014 at 1:46 AM, Gerard Meijssen > > wrote: > > > Russavia, > > Do you remember like me reading why these people came to this conference? > > In that light, do your remarks provide us with any connection to these > > objectives? .Do you know the topics of t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, There should not be separate standards for Commons and any Wikipedia is surely what you mean... Thanks, GerardM On 4 June 2014 22:17, ENWP Pine wrote: > Asaf, I agree in some ways. ENWP's email list is a backwater though, and > since the discussion that got me thinking about this issu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Importance of educating the media contributors

2014-06-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The CC does NOT say that the license of a low resolution image allows for the use of a high resolution image. This is because it depends on the law of the land. Some countries consider them to be the same where other do not. Thanks, GerardM On 5 June 2014 07:59, Jeevan Jose wrote: > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Importance of educating the media contributors

2014-06-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
bild_Grindelhochh.C3.A4user_Hamburg.jpg > > Regards, > Jee > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hoi, > > The CC does NOT say that the license of a low resolution image allows for > > th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedian in Residence at ORCID

2014-06-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Actually it is not that hard [1] to find who has an ORCID. Thanks, Gerard [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist2.php?language=en&project=wikipedia&category=&depth=12&wdq=claim%5B31%3A5%5D%20and%20claim%5B496%5D&mode=cat_and_wdq&statementlist=&run=Run&label_contains=&label_c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedian in Residence at ORCID

2014-06-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
, GerardM On 12 June 2014 00:40, phoebe ayers wrote: > Thanks Gerard! However, I meant getting a list article subjects who have an > ORCID that we haven't already put in Wikidata, so we can update Wikidata! > :) > > best, > Phoebe > > > > > On Tue, Jun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedian in Residence at ORCID

2014-06-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
mentlist=&run=Run&label_contains=&label_contains_not=&chunk_size=1 > > > > All en.wp pages with ORCID IDs that are not yet in Wikidata. > > > > Cheers, > > Magnus > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Gerard Meijssen < > ger

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On relationship gossip and appropriate conversation

2014-06-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please don't Thanks, GerardM On 15 June 2014 21:19, Pete Forsyth wrote: > On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Christophe Henner < > christophe.hen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm puzzled of those emails. > > > > Christophe, thank you for explaining how this looks from your en

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot now starting with plant species

2014-06-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I blogged about Lsjbot.. [1]. I really hope that a lot of attention is given in finding the links to existing items in Wikidata. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/06/wikipedia-to-bot-or-not-to-bot.html On 16 June 2014 12:25, Anders Wennersten wrote: > After

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot now starting with plant species

2014-06-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
t we hope it will look > better a year from now > Anders > > > > Gerard Meijssen skrev 2014-06-16 12:44: > > Hoi, >> I blogged about Lsjbot.. [1]. I really hope that a lot of attention is >> given in finding the links to existing items in Wikidata.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry but en,wp is not for me and many others.. No reasons except that it is not what I/we am/are involved in. We need something that is more inclusive. Thanks, GerardM On 16 June 2014 13:44, David Gerard wrote: > Everyone move to wikien-l! It's pretty much disused now. Go on, give >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Disclosure amendment to the Terms of Use

2014-06-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, WOW, CAN SOMEONE WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO CLARIFY IF THIS WILL GET A HEARING? Either it is something that should apply to all projects and consequently it is a board issue or it is en.wp only. When it is en.wp only, the policy is either not carefully thought through or it should not be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Disclosure amendment to the Terms of Use

2014-06-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
t and understood it as "one ring to rule them all". Apparently not. Thanks, GerardM On 16 June 2014 20:15, Tilman Bayer wrote: > Hi GerardM, > > have you read Stephen's email? > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > Hoi, > > W

[Wikimedia-l] Let Commons do what it knows best and use Wikidata for it and the rest

2014-06-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, - Many people no longer trust Commons to store their media files. People are more certain that their files will remain available when they upload media files to their own project. - Many media files exist on many projects waiting for transfer to Commons. It does not happen and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let Commons do what it knows best and use Wikidata for it and the rest

2014-06-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
2014 22:06, David Gerard wrote: > On 17 June 2014 20:53, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > The opportunity exist to have all this data in one "multimedia Wikidata". > > It would mean that when a Commons admin decides for his reasons that a > file > > is no lon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Arguably when all repositories of media-files are Wikidatified, general availability could be as difficult as selecting the appropriate license. To do this no new project is needed as the Wikidata team has started work. All that is needed is to have one database to know about all media files.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
files... Remember, that IS the objective isn't it? Thanks, GerardM On 18 June 2014 11:19, Fæ wrote: > On 18/06/2014, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > Hoi, > > Arguably when all repositories of media-files are Wikidatified, general > > availability could be as difficult as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If you care to a long time ago in the days when Wikidata was years in the future, I have created a proof of concept based on the OmegaWiki technology. It demonstrated how multilingual support would improve the usability of Commons. Wikidata is a different beast but not so different that the l

[Wikimedia-l] Iraqi 2014 elections

2014-06-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Where can I find a list of the results of the Iraqi elections of 2014 for the Council of Representatives? I am looking in the list for the names in English, preferably with Arabic and Kurdish as well. The names of the parties represented, When it is known that they are incumbent, it would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation of messages sent to this list

2014-06-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Most of the time.. I cannot find it and I did use Google among other ways. Thanks, GerardM On 21 June 2014 17:48, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote: > Earlier today, I used the Gmane.org gateway to send a message to this > mailing list in response to the "Iraqi 2014 elections thread" started

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The Israeli government is clear in that they claim no copyright. A license can only be given when you claim a copyright. How can you argue and from an US legal point of view and insist that another government is to claim copyright in order to give a license.. It will never be considered in a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I disagree They can but it makes more sense for them to change their own law first. Thanks, Gerard On 23 June 2014 13:42, geni wrote: > On 23 June 2014 11:41, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > Hoi, > > The Israeli government is clear in that they claim no copyright.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel received the Roaring Lion Award for the Hebrew Wikipedia 10th anniversary PR

2014-07-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Congratulations.. Many awards are known at Wikidata and, the "Roaring Lion Award" is now one of them. Given that the Israeli chapter received this award, the item for the chapter has been updated with this fact. Also added were its creation date and the fact that it is a chapter. It turns ou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Do appreciate that when you "show others the door", you stop conversation. Using such terminology in a confrontation like this can only backfire. Truly, I love Wikidata to bits however its RfC process is as broken as most. People pontificate, do not listen and, the arguments are intentionally

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On historical event / WMRS Microgrants 2014

2014-07-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, WOW Gerard On 16 July 2014 17:31, Milos Rancic wrote: > I am finally able to share with you the biggest benefit of WMRS > Microgrants projects for this year. It's about cooperation with one > very old institution, and it was necessary to wait for their formal > letter. > > But first about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have done a project and there were two parts to my project. There was the delivery of an input method and a font for a script that did not have any UNICODE font. At that time there was functionality for fonts. So it should have been a shoe in. The cost of the project was relatively large. Th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Review of grantmaking costs and outcomes for APG, PEG, and IEG

2014-08-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I will be there :) Thanks, GerardM On 4 August 2014 15:56, Jessie Wild wrote: > I put the slides on commons immediately after the presentation: > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Grantmaking_Impact_Assessment,_2013-14.pdf > > As for the cost-benefit question: YES ABSOLUTELY we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please consider what the role of Erik is. He is responsible for the technical infrastructure of the Wikimedia Foundation. The community has wants and needs but does not have responsibility in the same manner. When some people in the community want things that is not compatible with implied re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)

2014-08-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The big question is not so much where and when things happen, the big question is who supports all the muck. There have been enough instances where changes to for instance common.js brought down servers. This is not a zero sum game. It is not as if there are no consequences. I am certain that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A bunch of nobodies

2014-08-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Because you can.. Thanks, GerardM Op 13 aug. 2014 23:41 schreef "Michael Peel" : > Why? > > On 13 Aug 2014, at 22:40, David Gerard wrote: > > > Add evidence of your insignificance here! > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_bunch_of_nobodies > > > > > > - d. > > > > __

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A bunch of nobodies

2014-08-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Fae, For me you added a positive notch at Wikimania to your reputation. It was good to see you and you were involved and having fun.. Thanks, GerardM On 14 August 2014 11:07, Fæ wrote: > Let's not encourage using meta like it was Facebook. However, meh, looking > at the important names

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