Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Proposed amendment to the Wikimedia Terms of Use

it seems my email was rejected, trying to send again: Maybe I missed something, but could you please explain why the Terms of Use would be the best place to make this kind of decisions? As I understand it, the Terms of Use are Wikimedia-wide, and I'm not 100% certain this is the kind of rule

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Inc. working with Go Fish Digital, a company that whitewashes Wikipedia

Thanks for sharing, Greg. As it proves to be quite hard to filter out this kind of companies, it must be even harder for affiliates that don't have the WMF infrastructure at hand. I can imagine there exists some kind of 'blacklist' of companies that the WMF doesn't want to work with for this kind

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fallout from 2018 Wikimedian of the Year announcement

Thanks for picking this challenge up with such enthusiasm! Lodewijk On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 6:58 AM Alex Stinson wrote: > Thank you Farhard for sharing out the progress that you have been making as > a benefit of the Wikipedian of the Year! I look forward to continuing to > support these

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for Proposals to Host Wikimania in 2020

Perhaps stating the obvious, but please remember there were some significant flaws with the consultation by the WMF that you refer to (especially with regards to the way questions were phrased and options were limited beforehand, if I recall correctly). Wikimania's purpose is mostly pluriform and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedians of Chicago User Group first annual report submitted

Wow congratulations :) I'm guessing this is the link you wanted to include: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Chicago_User_Group/2018_Annual_Report On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:51 PM Brian Choo wrote: > Fellow Wikimedians, > > Wikimedians of Chicago User Group has put together their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

Hi Cornelius, a quick sanity check (sorry if this was already discussed): in your overview, you don't mention any WMF staff members as such. Is that because they won't be invited in that capacity (i.e. not including staff members that happen to be in affcom, that are affiliate representatives or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hiding versions because of copyright violation

he > project that is most abused, sometimes in ways that I'd be hesitant to > publicly describe. > > > Risker/Anne > (English Wikipedia oversighter) > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 12:29, effe iets anders > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> This is one of thes

[Wikimedia-l] Hiding versions because of copyright violation

Hi all, This is one of these things that seems particularly hard to find, so I'd like to pick your collective brains on this: What are the various policies across our little universe on using the 'hide version' functionality to hide historical versions of articles? I would especially appreciate

[Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

Hi Kirill, (changing the topic to reflect better the more abstract case: this is no longer about WMPT, as I don't know enough about that specific instance) I appreciate your concerns for embarrassing situations. This may be the least painful approach in many of the cases. I also appreciate that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Questions about proposed new Chapter agreement for Wikimedia Portugal

Hi Gonçalo, Thanks for sharing. I share most of your concerns, reading your explanation - and they seem reasonable. I find it particularly odd that such major changes are forced upon the chapter in this situation. If these changes are necessary, it would be better to discuss them in a global

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changed plus next steps

As for process.. While I appreciate that this time, the change was at least announced before the vote, and that some board members at least engaged in some conversation - I have yet to see how this was taken into consideration by the board as a whole. It feels like the board already made up its

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Analytics] Farewell, Erik!

I have always enjoyed Erik's insightful input - especially the insights that people don't like to hear at first. I trust that much more of that is to come in the future, so I'm not ready to say farewells :). I wouldn't be able to accurately summarize it anyway. Erik, I hope that you'll find a lot

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

in favor of a >unilateral preferred action. >- Abruptly undoing administrator actions without consultation. >- *Reversal of a Wikimedia Foundation office action ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Office_actions>.* > > > Dan Rosenthal > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

Great, now we have a wheelwar going on ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block=Fram ). I have a hard time seeing how this would help anyone. A massive discussion where everyone tries to say something and nobody really reads everything (because how could you) is not going to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright workflows - research (Was: Re: Foundation management of volunteers)

The landscape has changed quite a bit since 2012, and there are a number of players that could offer a service like this by now. It may be worthwhile exploring them briefly (including but not limited to Google), if we believe this is important enough to invest time in (and I agree that there is a

[Wikimedia-l] Trust & Safety (was: New board for...)

(forking the discussion to allow a focus on more general line, rather than the specifics of who wrote what, why and when) My main takeaway from this discussion would be that it's good if there is a neutral review option for actions by the T team (or the WMF in general), such as an ombudsperson. A

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

Gerard, I think your comment is highly inappropriate. I don't generally like to pile on, but this needs calling out. When discussing these sensitive topics, the very least we can expect, is a careful approach to the matter. I don't know the underlying situation well enough to establish who's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Code of Conduct committee candidates

Hi Amir, Thanks. I agree with your assessment. Probably asking for the obvious: is there someone on the committee that knows the real world identity (and the other way around, the online pseudonym) of each member, and could flag a COI/suggest to abstain if need be? (aside from people refraining

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

Thanks Abhinav for your email. I'm having a hard time splitting the email out in a) what is the exact and complete set of reasons that Affcom put the chapter on suspension. b) what additional complaints are part of the big picture. c) what is the response from WMIN. I realize it is really hard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

Refreshing to see some positive development here again, after all the complications, setbacks etc - welcome to your new status WMKR! It was always a joy to see you at work in activities, looking forward to hearing even more from you again :) Lodewijk On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 3:11 PM María

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement from the Board of Wikimedia Belgium (WMBE)

Thanks for the update Geert. I'll join you in thanking Romaine for the vast amounts of work that he has done over the past years in Belgium. I think this was a great trigger to get the chapter to where it is now - even if I have only seen the tip of the activities from my comfortable outsider

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Belated update from Wikimedia Portugal

Thanks for the update - I'm glad this got resolved. Lodewijk On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:50 AM Rajeeb Dutta wrote: > Great news and many many congratulations to all the winners. > Thanks Gonçalo for the update. > > Best Regards, > Rajeeb. > (U: Marajozkee) > Sent from my iPhone > > > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

Congrats Ryan! The main question here at Wikimania is really... Will you be more like Leo McGarry or like Doug Stamper as far as it comes to problem solving? :) Lodewijk On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 07:33 Rajeeb Dutta wrote: > Congrats Ryan & all my best wishes, thanks Katherine for the update. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

Now imagine trying to explain the difference between a chapter, the Foundation and the community when they have the same name... Lodewijk On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 1:41 PM Isaac Olatunde wrote: > We sometimes spend several minutes trying to explain to potentials partners > the difference between

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

Thank you Kirill for outlining the procedural component. That is helpful, and paints a better picture. I know Affcom us always balancing in a tough position, not only between interests but also between different levels of transparency expectations. The piece of information that I'm struggling to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fallout from 2018 Wikimedian of the Year announcement

Hey Farhad, really impressive how you managed to leverage this opportunity. Thank you for putting in all this effort, it's heart warming to see you and your colleagues so busy. Lodewijk On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:16 PM Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin < f...@yandex.com> wrote: > Dear

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

Hi Gerard, It would be great if you could keep a slightly more constructive tone in your messages. On one hand, you seem genuinely interested to help access to free knowledge in Africa, but in your second email, you seem to jump (after one response) to conclusions already. If you like to get real

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

I would like to note that one of the contacts of this user group is Vladimir Medeyko, the director of Wikimedia Russia. I'm assuming comfortably that this application happened in full coordination with Wikimedia Russia. The question about process is still an interesting one though (what is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

personal conflicts > > within a chapter or user group and AffCom perpetuating these conflicts by > > setting up competing affiliates (the situation in Albania being a recent > > example of this). > > > > Best, > > Philip > > > > > > On Fri, 4 O

[Wikimedia-l] Yahoo/AOL warning

(I'm not the most technical person, so feel free to correct imprecisions or add better suggestions) It feels like a blast from the past, but it turns out there's still a fair amount of Yahoo/AOL users that are part of our community. Just a fair warning: as has been known for a while now (at least

Re: [Wikimedia-l] default import sources

I remember bringing this up several years ago at Dutch Wikipedia, and from what I recall, there were people that don't want the import function to be active on their wiki for more fundamental reasons (they don't want old versions to exist that were not created on their own wiki). So I'm pretty

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donating to Wikipedia

Yeah, I've been getting this feedback each year for at least the past years too. I am pretty sure that most of the people who were alarmed and told me, did not thoroughly read the message, but mostly picked up on cues. It may be that I have more of such people in my circle of acquaintances than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1819 Fundraising Report

+1 On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:46 AM Philip Kopetzky wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > since this is hopefully a less busy season of the year, have the internal > discussions yielded anything that might help in breaking these numbers down > a little bit more? :-) > > Best, > Philip > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Scholarship for 2020 Wikimania now open

For clarification, from the website: * Deadline for applying for scholarships: *17 March 2020* 23:59 UTC-12:00 * Apply here: https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_81GOJ9AFVdPHZgp and frequently asked questions:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

informs the strategy for community members to follow: try to engage in an argument/conversation, or in activist petitions, if they would have concerns with some recommendation. Lodewijk On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 11:42 AM effe iets anders wrote: > Hi Nicole, > > Last round (or was it the rou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

Hi Nicole, Last round (or was it the round before that?) there were some disappointed community members because their feedback did not really spark any conversation/exchange in a timely manner. I don't want to go back to focus on things that coulda woulda shoulda been better though. However, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

As very practical question for the scholarships: should people be spending time on the scholarships right now, or would it be fair to postpone the deadline until a bit after this hard decision has been made? Best, Lodewijk On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 6:27 AM Gnangarra wrote: > Kaya Toni and the

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia branding

It looks like this list was skipped in providing an update in asking for feedback (or I missed something - in which case, my apologies). I'm just a random passer by who was wondering why this wasn't shared yet. The Wikimedia branding process seems to have moved to yet another phase on March 1 (I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Launch of Wikimedia Affiliates Data Portal

Thanks for the update Dimi. The system seems reasonably flexible (assuming the links can be both internal and external). There are two things I'd suggest: - Please track language versions. If multiple languages are available, it would be nice if they can be connected. It would also be helpful to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

international experts on harassment, community health > and children’s rights, as well as additional hiring." > > Best, > Shani. > > >> >> From: effe iets anders >> Date: Sat, May 23, 2020 at 4:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Preventing conflicts of interest in Wikimedia organizations' employment and financial relationships

From what I understand, you're mostly concerned about fraud and conflicts of interest. First of all: wholly agree with Andy. I am not aware of any organization that would monitor the bank account transactions of its board members. Self-reporting interests, sure. I'm curious what kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

How is a one-off ban comparable in any way with a structured effort to develop a policy in consultation with the community, and then implement it together? Lodewijk On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:02 PM Todd Allen wrote: > Worked out great the last time WMF tried to pull something like this, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

Hi Lukas, I appreciate you opening up on this. I have a hard time following the line of argument. I can appreciate that it can be stressful to see someone generalize opposition to this extent, and I dont think it is helpful to the conversation, because it basically rejects all solutions out of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] An update on in-person gatherings

input ealy on." > > -- Yes. We will be evaluating and testing the guidance with selected > affiliates prior to release on Meta. > > Kind Regards, > Lydia > > Lydia Hamilton (she/her) > Director of Operations > Wikimedia Foundation > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] An update on in-person gatherings

a.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference > > -- > *Lydia Hamilton* (she/her) > Director of Operations > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:31 AM effe iets anders > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution to pause Movement Brand Project through March 2021

Hi Samir, First of all, thank you for sharing the detailed analysis and for publishing the raw data after a review. I appreciate the efforts made on that front. I wanted to quickly acknowledge (as you are undoubtly aware from open question responses) that there were a number of reports of people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustees elections, membership, quorum, and

I would like to suggest to move away from the 'membership organization' question, and possibly bring that to a dedicated thread. It's a huge topic. Lodewijk On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 1:37 PM Michael Peel wrote: > That the WMF *isn’t* a membership organisation already is rather weird. It > may be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

I don't think the approach "we are going to see resistance anyway, so lets make it a bigger change" has proven to be terribly helpful in the past year or so. These layout changes are hard for sure, but there are definitely ways to bring people on board. The thing is, not every exciting change is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit 2021 in Berlin cancelled

; > I too am a bit disappointed that there doesn't appear to be any planning > for some sort of virtual meeting, though. It will definitely affect > strategy implementation. > > Risker/Anne > > On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 at 12:59, effe iets anders > wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Summit 2021 in Berlin cancelled

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I think the point of this message is to say that nothing virtual will be organized either (we already knew no physical meeting was going to happen). Which brings lots of questions as to how that affects the strategy implementation. Lodewijk On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An encyclopedia must be conservative (?)

In good encyclopedic tradition, a reference to that quote in context, is probably in order. Ziko, I suspect you got this quote from this 2010 chapter? https://reagle.org/joseph/2010/gfc/chapter-2.html If I look at this post, he talks about progressivism in the context of methodology and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

Thanks for this step - I wish that it wouldn't be necessary. I'm not sure of all the implications, but was mostly wondering: will this be primarily a stick, or is the foundation also going to invest more heavily in carrots and education? I get the impression that we have much progress to make in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

We're dealing with a diverse community here, and at the same time people often want to imply information without making it explicit. I rather have that people make their assumptions explicit so that you have an opportunity to clarify, and use that as the basis for further conversation. My reading

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] An update on in-person gatherings

Thank you Katherine for this update, I'm much looking forward to a more nuanced policy. I think it is clear that the standing policy (no in-person activities of any size, around the world) is past its expiration date and can't realistically be maintained any longer in its broad interpretation.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

Thank you Nat, Thank you for pushing up the timeline a bit on having this conversation - I agree that it's probably better not to stretch the conversation too much, before an updated process is decided upon. Will you invite any other people to present additional information to the board? I think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

I guess that depends on whether you count WikiVoyage to be launched in 2003 or 2013 :) On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 10:55 AM Christophe Henner < christophe.hen...@gmail.com> wrote: > That is a great news!!! Congratulations :) > > Just so we are all on the same page, the last approved project was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

Jonatan: Implying that there's more secrecy than necessary, is unhelpful. I would dare say that if the policies that Andy is looking for exist (given his inquiry he's looking for a specific set), they should and would be available on meta. If that is not the case, that is more likely due to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

The question is however as well: how many open licensed content creators would switch to NC if they were aware that this would be 'good enough' for Wikipedia - even if that means in reality only English Wikipedia (but who cares about other languages) and without actually allowing to build on top

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Archive BOT

Hi Pascal, all, this is being discussed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cyberpower678 THe last response was June 16, and it seems to focus on geo-blocking as the cause for blacklisting (in case anyone feels called to help out the developer). This bot performs incredible work and I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

The editorial team has been the status quo for years. I'd like to see it expanded over time with volunteers, but at this point it would be unfair to look down at this development for that reason. To keep things constructive here: are there specific guidelines or procedures that you would like to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 7:55 AM Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 09:03, effe iets anders > wrote: > > > > I rather have > > that people make their assumptions explicit so that you have an > opportunity > > to clarify, and use that as the basis for f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

ate of > arrival and maybe if it is regarding some content or some other topic?) > 6. is there a open log of OTRS operators, where we can see when they got > the flag, a link to the request and how many queue they are handling? > > I think it's enough for now. > > Alex > Il l

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Welcoming María Sefidari as a Foundation consultant. :)

Hi Maggie, Maria, while I'm sure everything is above board legally, and it follows all HR policies that the WMF has in place, it does have a weird whiff when I read this. While I think it's great for Maria to be able to put her experience to good use and while the WMF board probably benefits from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks for all the fish! / Stepping down April 15

Thanks Katherine, it was always a good feeling to see you at work navigating the complexities of our movement and trying to bring people together with your words. I'm curious to see what will be your next challenge. Warmly, Lodewijk On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 2:58 PM Patricio Lorente wrote: >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming the new Wikimedia Foundation CEO

Welcome to the movement, Maryana, I'm confident that there is much we can learn from your background and experience. I'm also glad that you take your time to get acquainted, and it feels right when people take the time to complete their obligations at their previous organization - even when it's

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Regarding a series of serious office actions / 有关于一系列的办事处行动

Thank you Maggie, for the announcement. It's a sad day, and I'm sure there were many sad actions that resulted in this. Two questions from my end: * Could you commit to making a better translation available (through community processes or otherwise) for the record? I think this decision may be

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

>> the >> code review, here is the link to the tool in GitHub >> <https://github.com/open-election-compass/client>. >>- We are truly grateful to the community members who have stepped in >>and tried to make the information regarding the candidates

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

Just for quick context: I was mostly trying to say that any *simple* system may have benefits in the scenario when you don't have the resources to make a complex system work properly (read: userfriendly). A 7-member district was intended as shorthand for "out of these 70 people, pick 7 favorites".

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

This is a horribly problematic election. Not only does it take hours to go through the candidates if you actually want to rank them, but you would also need to be willing to spend about a lot of time to enter them into the broken voting interface (which works great for up to 5 candidates - not for

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Announcing The New Grants Strategy for the Wikimedia Foundation

Dear Kassia, thank you for sharing this on the list. I hope that the implementation phase will help us remove some of the artificial boundaries that we have created over the years, and rethink them, rather than just inherit from existing programs. Recently, we have been talking on this list in a

[Wikimedia-l] Re: News about some CTeam transitions in Wikimedia Foundation

Hi Philip, just to make sure, are you aware of the email under the topic "REPLY TO: News about CTeam transitions from Wikimedia Foundation" ? I believe that was sent within the day. Best, Lodewijk On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 2:18 PM Philip Kopetzky wrote: > I find it quite worrying that after a

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Adding Wiki Love Folklore to Wiki Loves Competition Tools

Hi Toni, I suspect you'll be better able to get a helpful response when you email the wikilovesmonuments or wikilovesearth mailing list. Besides the update of the module on commons, I believe this may also require a change on github (similar to this one

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

Perhaps a conversation about the most optimal location for WMF (which I imagine is more relevant in a strategy framework) is more constructive in its own thread. I imagine that this has been part of plenty strategic conversations over the past years, and will be in the future - meaning that there

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Emerging human rights concern related to invasion of Ukraine

My thoughts go out to the communities struggling to keep doing their 'work'. It must be incredibly challenging to maintain a neutral encyclopedia in light of government censorship, split populations, threats and violence. I know WMF is trying hard to do the right thing for editors under threat,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Learn how to develop bots in small wiki toolkit workshops

I love this idea! Thank you for organizing this! I look forward to the videos produced for this too. Warmly, Lodewijk On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:07 PM Srishti Sethi wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Thank you all for signing up for the bot workshops! :) > > The first workshop on the topic of

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month: We are back in 2022!

The list archive probably has an answer to your question on 9 feb 2021. But regardless, writing about Ukrainian culture is never more prudent than when it is under threat. Whatever one's personal opinion on this war, I don't think anyone will deny that Ukrainian cultural heritage is at risk?

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Annual activity report of West Bengal Wikimedians User Group for 2021-2022

Thanks for sharing! This is a very easy to digest report, kudos for that! Lodewijk On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 6:34 AM Bodhisattwa wrote: > Hello, > > On behalf of the West Bengal Wikimedians User Group, I am pleased to > submit and share with you it's 2021 annual activity report, which can be >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

The main advantage I can see, is that it requires a conscious decision to not be transparent, rather than a conscious effort to be transparent. There are many cases where deletion is warranted, but the content is not of the type that including a sample would be harmful. So from the point of view

[Wikimedia-l] Re: UCoC Phase 2 Ratification Results Announcement

Thank you Stella, Thank you for sharing, I'm looking forward to an evaluation of how this vote was executed, so that we can use these methods for more topics/decisions in a constructive way. I'm pleased to see how the process has seen various types of community engagement, and this seems a good

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Osama and Ziyad

Thanks for this response - as little content as it may have. I can totally understand it. As I was reading the questions in this thread, I felt uneasy with the questions, because I can imagine that there are people working on these issues in our movement (whether in the WMF or not) who may have a

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Recognition of Wikimedians of Japan User Group

I'm glad to hear there's now a user group active in Japan, and I hope that it will successfully support the Japanese communities! Lodewijk On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 11:02 AM Bobby Shabangu wrote: > Sending my congratulations from Wikimedia South Africa and looking forward > to collaborating with

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Osama and Ziyad

This does indeed seem to make some assumptions: * That WMF is not already in contact with relevant human rights organizations * That including these individuals in a writing campaign is indeed considered the best approach to help them at this point * That a public association of this type is

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimania sessions now on Commons

Thanks for this work - the documentation of these sessions is useful and not trivial, unfortunately. It's a challenge every year. I remember trying to help out at some point, and getting stuck, giving up for the day, returning later and getting stuck in a different way. The process is definitely

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sharing an update on the Wikimedia Foundation Knowledge Equity Fund’s grantees

I'm very interested to see this develop further, and can understand some of the tensions that Steven has articulated. It's tricky to experience that we can't fund everything we want to do that has direct impact on our own work, and yet fund projects that don't feel like they directly support other

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Simplifying governance processes

Mostly agree with SJ here, with one exception: I do think that some standing committee to rule on conduct issues is necessary to be community elected (not sure if I understood SJ correctly that he was not in favor of this though). Lets call it some version of separation of powers, and a necessary

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Simplifying governance processes

The proposals that you list are a bit double edged. It may be necessary, but they have downsides. For example, there are in a few cases very good reasons to go back to the drawing board when we're talking about foundational documents. It is annoying that it takes so long, but with time we also

[Wikimedia-l] Re: @Wikipedia losing opportunities in Twitter

How is @Wikipedia (and similar accounts) being managed right now? I'm mostly curious about the process how the tweets are decided upon - is this a staff-driven process or is there some community engagement? Is it planned out long in advance, or reactive (or somewhere in between)? Are there

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Inc. design staff

How would you propose to measure 'output' in a somewhat objective way? It is of course easy to identify that our own pet projects don't get the attention we feel they deserve, but given that the priorities of the WMF are so much broader than those of you and me personally, that may not be entirely

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Inc. design staff

17, 2022, at 9:08 AM, effe iets anders > wrote: > > How would you propose to measure 'output' in a somewhat objective way? > It is of course easy to identify that our own pet projects don't get the > attention we feel they deserve, but given that the priorities of the WMF > are

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Maryana Iskander interview in San Francisco Examiner

I have some doubts if it is really this helpful to spell out these interviews on this list, and point out how certain details were perhaps not presented exactly to your liking. I don't know if it arrives at the right people, but it definitely arrives at a lot of people who are probably less

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Announcing the six candidates for the 2022 Board of Trustees election

Thank you Jackie for the update. I hope (and assume) that you will be able to include this in a list of decisions to take by the Elections Committee before the next selection process(es). The level of expected transparency might be a useful standard decision item anyway? Warmly, Lodewijk On

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Announcing the six candidates for the 2022 Board of Trustees election

I appreciate that there are some concerns for the wellbeing of individuals and affiliates. I'm sure there are always all kind of accusations about engaging with foreign organizations, and if that would hold us back, we could equally not allow ourselves to publish annual reports to the movement, or

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

Hi Danny, this is great thinking. There's one more angle that I'd like to offer, but it would come with plenty of risks and downsides, so I'm not sure if it is actually viable (I guess it falls in the 'mitigate harm' category). But just to put it out there: One of the main reasons that we block

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation board elections?

If you want to have a discussion about the term 'diversity' in the context of Wikimedia (I doubt it will remain limited to the board selections), it might be helpful to start a new thread for that. The challenge at hand is to get sufficient high quality candidates for this election that can add

[Wikimedia-l] Re: The 2022 Board of Trustees election Community Voting period is now open

Hi Dariusz, I appreciate that this is not the best time to have this conversation. However, at the same time I feel it would be fair to state that this is not the first time we talk about having a conversation about the election (or any other periodic process) procedures at a 'more convenient

[Wikimedia-l] Re: The 2022 Board of Trustees election Community Voting period is now open

I doubt that this would have had any influence on the outcome. Given that Massly is a member of the oversight committee, it would be good to get a quick clarification on the record (I'm assuming there's a totally reasonable explanation). Lodewijk On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 4:42 PM Envel Le Hir

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia: Community Meetup South Africa 23

Hi Shupai, thanks for being active in this community. I'm not sure if this is the best venue to share these announcements, because they are very specific to South Africa. You may want to consider announcing these on lists that are more targeted. You're currently sending your announcements to the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Leadership Development Working Group is ready for community feedback!

I definitely acknowledge the need for our movement to better facilitate capacity development, which feeds into leadership qualities. For many years I have been part of various working groups and communities that have struggled to find volunteers that were willing to take up leadership roles and

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Taiwan’s statement on the office actions of the Wikimedia Foundation on Chinese Wikipedia

Hi Ktsquare, I'm not sure if I fully understand what you're trying to say. Could you rephrase it? If someone else understands the point, thanks to a better knowledge of the context, could clarify, that would be appreciated too. Lodewijk On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 11:10 PM ktsquare wrote: >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: The new Signpost is out!

Given how few community driven publications there are in our universe, I actually appreciate these announcement emails. They are pretty sparse and seem to often contain relevant content to the wider Wikimedia community too. If it were a daily publication, I would probably feel differently about

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