Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Commonwealth reserves on Commons

[Gnangarra]

Before we go deleting, we need a copy of the gazette in which the areas with
restriction are published.

We also need to know when the such restriction was published for each area

2008/11/12 John Vandenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:34 PM, John Vandenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So I dont think we need a tag on these images; at best we need to
> > formulate an informative overview of this issue, notify all uploaders
> > of images in this category, so that they can request deletion if they
> > believe their image might not have been permitted.
>
> Update: I think all images taken in reserves need to be deleted from
> Commons.
>
> I'll be happy to learn that I am wrong, or pick up a pitchfork and
> head to Canberra.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Commonwealth reserves on Commons

[Gnangarra]

Additionally can we use a non-commercial license on en and migrate all
affect images there?

2008/11/12 Gnangarra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Before we go deleting, we need a copy of the gazette in which the areas
> with restriction are published.
>
> We also need to know when the such restriction was published for each area
>
> 2008/11/12 John Vandenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 2:34 PM, John Vandenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > So I dont think we need a tag on these images; at best we need to
>> > formulate an informative overview of this issue, notify all uploaders
>> > of images in this category, so that they can request deletion if they
>> > believe their image might not have been permitted.
>>
>> Update: I think all images taken in reserves need to be deleted from
>> Commons.
>>
>> I'll be happy to learn that I am wrong, or pick up a pitchfork and
>> head to Canberra.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2008-11-09 ctte meeting minutes

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I like the 2 members per org that donates over an arbitrary amount like
$200, this would give larger donations some degree of recognition. Also
remember that many businesses donate to community groups particularly
sporting groups and getting only recognition(inc advertising) in a
newsletter.

All organisations that have donated need to be listed, at least in these
early stages we should be 100% open.  As a member I'm going to support
business that support WM-au knowing who these business are makes that
possible.

Additional transparency could be achieved by creating a group of editors
that can be approached to review articles associated with a subject that
donates, to ensure that the articles haven't been influence ie a WM-au COI
group

As an immediate potential use of such donations is that WMAU could pay the
costs of Brianna attending a Wiki-wednesday in Sydney. We could print a
substancial amount of
the brouchers and have them in the stand at the PowerHouse Museum entrance.
Lets be realistic WMAU would benefit more from these corporate donations
than the corporates would. As long as we arent "out on the street
soliciting" for donations then we arent going to create a dependency on
them.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Commonwealth reserves on Commons

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The big risk would be to those resident in Australia.

Lets take Uluru because I've been down that burrow there is much discussion
on en about 
this.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Uluru#Photo_of_.22banned.22_zone

Basically assuming one can afford the cost of the permit its time limited
and use restricted a photographer cant go in and take speculative
photographs the purpose of the photo needs to be defined and then its use is
restricted to that purpose for a time period 1-5 years from date taken.
After the period the expires to republish the photographer needs to reapply
for the permit.

Vague memory of an advertising campaign that use an Image of Uluru with
rubbish in front it of was stopped because the permit didnt allow for the
represent. I not sure how far thru the court system it went but I do
remember that at least an initial injunction was granted to stop the ad
until the issue was resolved.



2008/11/13 Peter Ansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2008/11/13 Enoch Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> 2008/11/13 Peter Ansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>>
>>> Would it matter is Australia had a bilateral treaty regarding these
>>> things with France? Does anyone know if any of these type of treaties exist?
>>>
>>
>>  There would need to be a bilateral treaty and local French legislation
>> that says that they recognise this particular offence under French law.
>> Australian laws (generally) never have extraterritorial effect.
>>
>
> Rightio. But if they ever set foot in Australia they would be liable. Risky
> business still.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Commonwealth reserves on Commons

[Gnangarra]

On a strict reading of the rule we would only have to delete photos taken
after the date at which the law was imposed as law was retrospective

Which is why I said we have to know for each location when it was publish as
being imposed and what the requirements were at the time the photo was
taken.

Alternative as I said as far as my photo's are concern I wasnt made aware of
any issues restrictions prior to taking the photos, and providing I can
approach on a public road without interference then I'll continue to take
photo's.



2008/11/13 Liam Wyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I love the way we Wiki*edians can get into such esoteric debates! There is
> not many places where on the one mailiing list you'll be discussing the
> finer points of photographic publication rights and the next day you'll be
> discussing the best way to write an article about a horserace.
>
> That said, is it just me or is this particular thread making a mountain out
> of a molehill? On a strict reading of the rules I suppose that would mean we
> would have to delete every photo of Uluru? But really - is that likely? When
> this point was raised, was this more as a hypothetical or was there a
> genuine problem that we envisaged coming afoul of?
>
> -Liam
>
>
> On 11/13/08, Gnangarra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> The big risk would be to those resident in Australia.
>>
>> Lets take Uluru because I've been down that burrow there is much
>> discussion on en about 
>> this.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Uluru#Photo_of_.22banned.22_zone
>>
>> Basically assuming one can afford the cost of the permit its time limited
>> and use restricted a photographer cant go in and take speculative
>> photographs the purpose of the photo needs to be defined and then its use is
>> restricted to that purpose for a time period 1-5 years from date taken.
>> After the period the expires to republish the photographer needs to reapply
>> for the permit.
>>
>> Vague memory of an advertising campaign that use an Image of Uluru with
>> rubbish in front it of was stopped because the permit didnt allow for the
>> represent. I not sure how far thru the court system it went but I do
>> remember that at least an initial injunction was granted to stop the ad
>> until the issue was resolved.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/11/13 Peter Ansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>> 2008/11/13 Enoch Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>> 2008/11/13 Peter Ansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would it matter is Australia had a bilateral treaty regarding these
>>>>> things with France? Does anyone know if any of these type of treaties 
>>>>> exist?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  There would need to be a bilateral treaty and local French legislation
>>>> that says that they recognise this particular offence under French law.
>>>> Australian laws (generally) never have extraterritorial effect.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rightio. But if they ever set foot in Australia they would be liable.
>>> Risky business still.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Commonwealth reserves on Commons

[Gnangarra]

fix typo

2008/11/13 Gnangarra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On a strict reading of the rule we would only have to delete photos taken
> after the date at which the law was imposed as law *wasnt* retrospective
>
> Which is why I said we have to know for each location when it was publish
> as being imposed and what the requirements were at the time the photo was
> taken.
>
> Alternative as I said as far as my photo's are concern I wasnt made aware
> of any issues restrictions prior to taking the photos, and providing I can
> approach on a public road without interference then I'll continue to take
> photo's.
>
>
>
> 2008/11/13 Liam Wyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I love the way we Wiki*edians can get into such esoteric debates! There is
>> not many places where on the one mailiing list you'll be discussing the
>> finer points of photographic publication rights and the next day you'll be
>> discussing the best way to write an article about a horserace.
>>
>> That said, is it just me or is this particular thread making a mountain
>> out of a molehill? On a strict reading of the rules I suppose that would
>> mean we would have to delete every photo of Uluru? But really - is that
>> likely? When this point was raised, was this more as a hypothetical or was
>> there a genuine problem that we envisaged coming afoul of?
>>
>> -Liam
>>
>>
>> On 11/13/08, Gnangarra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> The big risk would be to those resident in Australia.
>>>
>>> Lets take Uluru because I've been down that burrow there is much
>>> discussion on en about 
>>> this.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Uluru#Photo_of_.22banned.22_zone
>>>
>>> Basically assuming one can afford the cost of the permit its time limited
>>> and use restricted a photographer cant go in and take speculative
>>> photographs the purpose of the photo needs to be defined and then its use is
>>> restricted to that purpose for a time period 1-5 years from date taken.
>>> After the period the expires to republish the photographer needs to reapply
>>> for the permit.
>>>
>>> Vague memory of an advertising campaign that use an Image of Uluru with
>>> rubbish in front it of was stopped because the permit didnt allow for the
>>> represent. I not sure how far thru the court system it went but I do
>>> remember that at least an initial injunction was granted to stop the ad
>>> until the issue was resolved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/11/13 Peter Ansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>> 2008/11/13 Enoch Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>
>>>>> 2008/11/13 Peter Ansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would it matter is Australia had a bilateral treaty regarding these
>>>>>> things with France? Does anyone know if any of these type of treaties 
>>>>>> exist?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  There would need to be a bilateral treaty and local French legislation
>>>>> that says that they recognise this particular offence under French law.
>>>>> Australian laws (generally) never have extraterritorial effect.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rightio. But if they ever set foot in Australia they would be liable.
>>>> Risky business still.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] ask for WMAU: namespace on meta?

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I think a Chapter-au: Chapter-de: Chapter-NY type name space would be the
better format because then its location specific everybody can have a page
called Membership and everybody would be able to follow the same format.

eg Chapter-AU:Membership

2008/11/13 Pharos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Pharos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > As an emissary of your hoping-to-be-sister chapter in New York City, I
> > can see the usefulness of a new namespace for all sorts of
> > chapter-type activities, for all chapters.
> >
> > Either a namespace for "Chapter" (for all chapters) or "Event" (to
> > cover all events whether or not they're formally connected to a
> > chapter).
>
> Or, and this strike me as a good catch-all now: "Local" as a namespace.
>
> > I could even see this tying in to a kind of new pseudo-social
> > networking namespace attached to userpages (like a user talk page, but
> > another tab), which could be useful to coordinate folks on a
> > geographic basis.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Pharos
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Brianna Laugher
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> What do y'all think about asking the meta community for support to
> >> request a WMAU: namespace on meta?
> >>
> >> Currently we have a mass of subpages and it makes the pages have very
> >> long titles, as well as being tedious to type and hard to remember.
> >>
> >> Brianna
> >>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2008-11-09 ctte meeting minutes

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I wouldnt support it being it tied to a"donation" but its a definitely
something to explore because possibilities to obtain information from
corporate archives, get photographs from inside the gate are worth the
effort. This is where a sister project could be useful in being able to
offer the services of reviewing the article after the edits have occurred
ensuring that the article remains neutral.

As an example somewhere like the Powerhouse Museum it'd great for someone to
be able to go in and photograph some of the displayed items(especially with
open cases) along with some of the stuff in the archives and protective
storage.

The reverse side of the equation could be approaching
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Media_Restoration to do a
digital restoration of an image in the Powerhouse archives and then that
becomes available for our article and the museum can then display a copy the
original and a print of the restored version giving credit to editor and to
WMAU for donating the resources.

Think of the images we could obtain and how much that could improve articles
just by being able to access some of the manufacturing plants. Wouldnt an
image of the Ford & Holden production lines, a coke bottling plant, the
set/studio of Neighbours, Inside Peters Ice cream factory be amazing. What
about having free portrait images for Politicians, Actors, Sportsmen imagine
being able to photograph inside the fence of Longbay, the chambers of
parliament house, from ontop of the roof of the Opera house or the change
rooms of the G on boxing day. Be on the field taking photographs during a
training session, think how often such images would be reuse outside the
projects with a CC-by-3.0 license attribution to the Photographer and
Wikipedia in a national magazines.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Announcement - publication with CCau

[Gnangarra]

I saw somewhere that Wikimedia is changing over to a CC-by-3.x license in
the near future after some changes were made to make compatable with
GDFL/GNU requirements

On 19/11/2008, John Vandenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Brianna Laugher
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2008/11/19 Stephen Bain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Brianna Laugher
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Of course it will be under a free
> >>> license, probably CC-BY-SA.
> >>
> >> Dual CC-BY-SA / GFDL would be nice, that would make it compatible with
> >> the Wikimedia projects (and our own wiki!).
> >
> > [I'm trying not to think about the licensing mess of transferring meta
> > content to officialwiki, and then meta content (probably) goes to
> > CC-BY-SA, but officialwiki doesn't because of the date cutoffs and
> > blah blah... you see? Gawd...]
> >
> > Anyway dual licensing is of course a possibility, but I'm pretty sure
> > as long as CC-BY-SA is in there it doesn't much matter what else is.
> > :)
>
> The simple solution is to require that all members assign the
> copyright of all wiki-text to WM-AU, or all members give WM-AU the
> right to relicense it.  Then by resolution of the committee, or an
> AGM, it can be relicensed any way we wish, without needing to seek
> permission from members who might be no longer available.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Quiet campaign on freely licensed politicians photos

[Gnangarra]

One thing is we need to assure the subject if they provide a high quality
free licensed portrait image, we'll actually use it in the article in
preference to an image sourced off the street

2008/11/20 Sarah Ewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> *Cough* This is something that I've been working on quietly and there is a
> real possibility that things will improve at a higher level than political
> parties. I can't really say very much on here because the important bits
> were shared in confidence but I am hopeful about next year and images are
> already starting to filter out slowly via this person  (I received another
> one for a federal MP just today actually).
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Brianna Laugher <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have noticed for a while the difficulty that Wikipedia editors have
>> had in obtaining freely licensed photographs of Australian politicians
>> for their biographical articles.
>>
>> I think a good project for us might be to do some gentle (private)
>> lobbying to political parties and/or their branches to encourage them
>> to release a set of high quality portraits under a free license.
>>
>> The best case would be if we could get a party or parties to release a
>> bunch of photographs rather than individuals (a last approach), mostly
>> because it is much more efficient.
>>
>> I think it is a good project because it will be positive for both them
>> and us, it's very easy for us to point out the benefits for them, it
>> will further raise awareness of free licenses to politicians and the
>> work necessary to achieve it is mostly on-wiki and easily divisible,
>> making it easy for people to contribute even in small amounts.
>> Probably starting with current politicians and working backwards is
>> the easiest way to go.
>>
>> It could go something like this:
>> * Collate stats about articles via different ways of categorisation
>> (eg state, fed/state/local [in cities?], party)
>> * Prepare letters and arguments to help persuade parties and individuals
>> * Find and collect contacts in all the parties and at all levels of
>> government
>> * WMAU sends letters, phones people etc.
>>
>> So you can imagine this is one case where having a body behind a
>> letter might hopefully be more persuasive than an individual.
>>
>> We have lots of starting points already --
>> * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Australian_politicians
>> * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australian_politics
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> cheers,
>> Brianna
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Quiet campaign on freely licensed politicians photos

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2008/11/20 Orderinchaos78 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> I try to sell it as, so long as it complies with Wikipedia policies (i.e.
> is neutral - a face and shoulders shot or whatever is great), they're
> releasing a photo to us which is higher quality than anything our volunteers
> would be able to snap themselves. Also gives a great opportunity to explain
> what Wikipedia is about, demolish a few myths, and etc.
>
>
Andrew

I can do the photos without any problems and of quality as a good as any
other "professional" photographer(I'm happy to release them under free
licenses) all we need is the opportunity to take them in a controlled
setting rather than some media scrum at a door opening. From what I've seen
on Commons there are a number of people across the country already
contributing to the projects who could also take quality photos

I'm available to work with you if we can get some of them in the one place
at the one time, will talk more about this on the 29th.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Our first donation!

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2008/11/25 Brian Salter-Duke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 06:22:25PM +0900, Andrew wrote:
> > So just to clarify, you mean that we may be able (assuming all sorts of
> > things which haven't yet been discussed or resolved) to get tax
> deductible
> > status for donations to WMA for WMA purposes, but not for donations to
> WMA
> > for WMF purposes?
>
> Yes, I think that puts it better. The question might be how we can
> include WMF within the purposes of WMA. We need a tame lawyer. I'll ask
> the one wikipedian in Australia who is an academic laywer what he
> thinks.
>

Wouldnt the donation be to WMA for WMA purposes, if WMA was to pay for
services or provide assistance to WMF would that not be WMA perogative. Once
we have charitable status then providiing the funds are used for the defined
charitable purposes it wouldnt matter if the funds where spent be it
Melbourne Sydney or San Francisco.

Case in point would be to find out how a Red Cross/World Vision type charity
collects money here as a charitable(tax deductable) donation specifically to
fund things in places like Indonesia or Africa

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] VITTA conference & other edu events

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I propose a change from WM-au to WM-brianna [?] :P


Seriously this is great work thats Brianna is doing, maybe WM-au could
develop a list of likely suspects that Brianna(anyone else) can call on
assist at/with such workshops.

Also if someone is doing a workshop with people editing Wikipedia a notice
to let those of us that maybe lurking to keep an eye out for edits. That way
the people participating dont get bitten or worse but instead recieve
welcome templates, maybe even a WP:Aust welcome template could be made for
such events with links to WMA, Wikiproject:AUST, and the notice board for
getting help to further encourage them.


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian stats, soon to be CC

[Gnangarra]

Would it be of value for WM-au to invite a representative from the ABS to
speak at a Sydney Wiki wednesday on the the change to CC?

It would providing ABS a means of delivering the message to a wider audience
that's interested such things as well as being a way for them to get some
feed back on doing it.


2008/12/4 Nathan Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Congratulations to the ABS for selecting CC as their new licencing scheme.
> Cheers,
> Nathan.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Mark Hurd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Craig Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I think you'll see "more" of it.  I don't think that anyone is arguing
>> that
>> > ABS stats are unreliable or anything, and this news is likely to be
>> welcomed
>> > with open arms by the Australian open source community.  Of course, the
>> > stats themselves are probably not encyclopædic in their unedited form,
>> but
>> > this should remove any ambiguity on making graphs or maps with them, as
>> well
>> > as providing a lot of good publicity.
>> >
>> > In short, this is a "good thing"!
>>
>> Yeah, I know. 'twas really just a rant against the current
>> deletionists on Wikipedia.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian stats, soon to be CC

[Gnangarra]

The easiest thing would be a formal invitation(from the Committee, soz
Brianna) to Brian Pink of ABS giving them opportunity to talk to and discuss
the change with a group of the end users of open source material.

2008/12/6 Confusing Manifestation <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Well, I certainly don't expect to "represent" the ABS, but there is an
> office in St Andrews Square, so there's a reasonable chance someone
> from there could get to a Wiki Wednesday. The shift to CC was
> announced internally, but I had to restrain myself from spreading the
> good news until I knew it had appeared on the site. I really wish I
> knew who had been responsible for the decision, but I do know that the
> Australian Statistician, Brian Pink, is very much pro-wiki (per, for
> example,
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_interviews_Australian_Statistician_Brian_Pink
> ).
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools

[Gnangarra]

Sexuality sensitivity as an argument for banning, blocking or not using
Wikipedia is utter garbage.

Schools teach this from pre-primary onwards ok at pre-primary its just the
distinction between being a boy and a girl by grade 5 the class rooms are
discussing periods, sex, drugs the whole gamete of unmentionable topics.

As a parent I'd rather my children read and learn from neutral information
in an informed manor, within class room environment with teacher and peers
is a good external(non-home) environment. The children learn that saying no
is ok, they learn that its their decision that matter when it comes to them,
likewise to respect the choices of other people. They learn about being
safe, the learn of the dangers and consequences of the decisions they take.

Wikipedia has images of the human body these are realistic images rather
than un-natural representation that require surgery or self abuse to attain,
it also has images of the damage poor choices can result in. Its not perfect
nor is it comprehensive in some areas its limited but the major topics are
well covered they are heavily patrolled and problems rarely last more then a
minute or two. As a group we need to admit to the limitations and work to
improve them but we should also be high lighting the amount of positive
information, the way its neutrally presented and the fact that its not about
promoting unrealistic images of what's "normal".

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, schools have National Geographic, they have
copies of Britannica in their libraries, they have books specifically about
sex all with images that are comparable to what we have. We have depth, we
have currency, we are in the medium that children are most comfortable with.

We do cover every topic so yes they'll find articles about porn,
prostitution, drugs, along with death, religion, history, plants, wars,
buildings, places, people, events, maths, languages, cultures, politics,
medicine, space, ufos, literature, theatre, movies, games, tv shows, animals
and on, on.. because thats what Wikipedia is about. When you talk to a
teacher about Wikipedia talk about knowledge for its with knowledge that a
person grows, if they think that restricting knowledge maybe its better
point them to article on people like
Goebbles, Bin Laden  to
see what can be achieved by controlling the flow of
knowledge and the way its presented...



2008/12/9 Zero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I'm sorry to break it to you, but the problems with these points of
> view is that this isn't limited to just Wikipedia and such. Any kind
> of sensitive information, or new opinions, anywhere, will have some
> sort of backlash and outrage. It's an inherent part of society, and
> it's difficult, if not impossible to change the status quo without
> simply waiting for the next generation to take dominance. And even
> then the cycle will repeat. If you have an idea to tackle it, I'd be
> eternally grateful.
>
> In the end we'll just have to work around it.
>
> All I can suggest right now is, while informing them about Wikimedia's
> projects, we warn them that there are sensitive subjects, but it is
> not our aim to censor, and we write strictly in an informative,
> academic sense. If one sees something that's not written so, it's our
> job to fix that, and if there's a lasting problem, remind them that
> they can censor and filter things with their own software, at their
> own discretion.
>
> 2008/12/9 Orderinchaos78 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > I really liked this post, it reflects my point of view. We're talking
> about
> > teenagers who probably know more about it than some of the people wishing
> to
> > censor it, for starters. And they see worse on TV every night - there's
> > serial killers, murders, drugs and sex even before 8:30 in many cases. To
> be
> > forewarned is to be forearmed, as the saying goes, and I think censoring
> > things "for the children" is a pretty outmoded approach that reflects a
> lack
> > of understanding of modern youth - especially if we're talking about a
> > factual resource with an NPOV approach.
> >
> > cheers
> > Andrew
> >
> > 2008/12/9 Andrew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> 2008/12/9 private musings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > My answer right now to the question 'should wikipedia be available in
> >> > schools' is 'no' - I'd be interested to hear yours.
> >> >
> >> > I think it'd be great to lead the way on a community level in figuring
> >> > out
> >> > how best to communicate this - you know - accentuating the positives,
> >> > communicating clearly the nature of the wiki beast etc.
> >> >
> >> > Stuff that I've done in this area goes back a little way - primarily
> in
> >> > 'project space' with;
> >> >
> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Advice_for_parents  and
> recently
> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sexual_content
> >> >
> >> > On a side note, I believe Commons has a bit of catch up to do in terms
> >> >

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools

[Gnangarra]

2008/12/10 private musings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
>  though I would prefer there were better systems in place to ensure
> that the images are legal (ie. models consenting and of age), and that (per
> Nick) folk have some opportunity to self-select. I'd be inclined to support
> a flickr like 'please click here to indicate that you're of age to view this
> material' sort of thing, I think.
>


Yep and every kid is going to just tick such a box anyway, the intention of
the box is to dimish responsibility of the provider not to protect the
viewer.


>
> cheers,
>
> Peter
> PM.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:28 AM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I must say, there's a certain appeal to attempting to forbid kids from
>> reading encyclopedias, so they'll think it's cool.
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools

[Gnangarra]

Lets look at this differently, Wikipedia/Foundation is about providing free
access to all knowledge, how could someone who supports the project consider
promoting censorship of the information?



2008/12/10 Gnangarra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
>
> 2008/12/10 private musings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>
>>
>>  though I would prefer there were better systems in place to ensure
>> that the images are legal (ie. models consenting and of age), and that (per
>> Nick) folk have some opportunity to self-select. I'd be inclined to support
>> a flickr like 'please click here to indicate that you're of age to view this
>> material' sort of thing, I think.
>>
>
>
> Yep and every kid is going to just tick such a box anyway, the intention of
> the box is to dimish responsibility of the provider not to protect the
> viewer.
>
>
>>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Peter
>> PM.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:28 AM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> I must say, there's a certain appeal to attempting to forbid kids from
>>> reading encyclopedias, so they'll think it's cool.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools

[Gnangarra]

But that exactly what being suggested with filters,

When a Britannica representative goes to a school to sell their book they
dont talk about their encyclopaedia covering topics like penis, breast and
the definitely dont suggest the school takes those pages out the books. So
why should we?


2008/12/10 private musings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I (think / hope) that what I'm suggesting is certainly not censorship in
> any way - more just the reasonable expectation that some of our content may
> raise an eyebrow in schools - and that it's a good idea to be mindful of
> this in our communications and work with them.
>
> By way of further illustration, here's an example of a good faith
> contributor at commons compiling a collection of some of his favourite
> shots;
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:TwoWings/Fav#Sexy
>
> I think we're all big enough and ugly enough to accept that there's nothing
> wrong with this sort of thing, and that it's normal to enjoy eroticism - I
> think it's also perfectly fair enough for schools to want to be a bit
> careful with how they interact with this sort of material - maybe it's as
> simple as saying 'look, there's actually quite a lot of images on various
> wiki projects that you might not want your pupils to see / share / collect -
> and here's how you can help achieve this' - back to the directed projects,
> supervised access etc. I guess.
>
> best,
>
> Peter
> PM.
>
> another example doing the rounds is this one - 'not safe for work';
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Shaved_genitalia_(female)<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Shaved_genitalia_%28female%29>
>
> (by the way - if something's 'not safe for work' - presumably it's 'not
> safe for schools' either? dunno!)
>
>
>
> 2008/12/10 Gnangarra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Lets look at this differently, Wikipedia/Foundation is about providing
>> free access to all knowledge, how could someone who supports the project
>> consider promoting censorship of the information?
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/12/10 Gnangarra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2008/12/10 private musings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  though I would prefer there were better systems in place to
>>>> ensure that the images are legal (ie. models consenting and of age), and
>>>> that (per Nick) folk have some opportunity to self-select. I'd be inclined
>>>> to support a flickr like 'please click here to indicate that you're of age
>>>> to view this material' sort of thing, I think.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep and every kid is going to just tick such a box anyway, the intention
>>> of the box is to dimish responsibility of the provider not to protect the
>>> viewer.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>> PM.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:28 AM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I must say, there's a certain appeal to attempting to forbid kids from
>>>>> reading encyclopedias, so they'll think it's cool.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - d.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools

[Gnangarra]

I'd be up for that, cant let it have solely an Eastern States POV :)

2008/12/11 K. Peachey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> > Anyone for a mini-project then? =).  The existing SOS selection looks
> like
> > it'll be a good base, but adding more "Australian" themed articles to it
> > would probably be a nice attention grabber when we go talking to schools.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Craig
> I would be! maybe a task-force for WikiProject Australia?
> And we would have to decide what "Australian" contents gets in, eg:
> iconic/well known tv shows/what history content gets in.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools

[Gnangarra]

What if rather than a fixed format CD/DVD for every school we create a
sample with instructions that enables teachers to make customised versions
to suit their style of teaching, the age group, and intended subject area.

We show them how to identify article quality and what the class rating
indicates, including what deficiencies are.

How to read article historys to identify the version that they are using

Cover copyright issues both for articles, and images what the requirements
are for a class room disc.

High light the sourcing//verifiability of articles.

Also cover editing basics, norms for user interaction, where to get what
type of help when online

2008/12/11 Craig Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  I think you've misinterpreted what I'm proposing.  I agree with you in
> regards to "offline content", it takes away entirely one of the chief
> advantages of an online encyclopaedia - that is, being up to date.  If this
> project happens, I fully support the main mode of delivery being a website
> that students can access, and which can be periodically updated (although a
> download is probably still a good idea for the handful of places where an
> online interactive site can't be supported, such as extremely remote schools
> with limited or no internet connectivity).
>
> In response to your specific questions:
>
> 1) I've talked to two teachers in the past few days, and asked them
> specifically for their thoughts on Wikipedia.  One said "there's porn on
> that site, so we don't allow students to use it at school", and the other
> cited the usual concerns about data being incorrect, incomplete, etc.  I
> realise that the opinions of two teachers don't cover the opinions of all
> teachers, but I'd wager that their views are not unusual.  As we all know,
> neither of these concerns are particularly true, but nevertheless, the
> perception continues to persist.
>
> 2) I think that highlighting Wikipedia's best content and delivering it is
> a laudable endeavour.  There's lots of great content, but there's also lots
> of not-so-great content.  While we work on getting the not-so-great stuff up
> to scratch, why not provide a sample of the good stuff to get people
> interested?  Especially if we can tie in the good content with topics
> teachers want to teach.  It can also be a useful tool to find out what
> content we need to concentrate on improving (that is, what the general
> public, our "customers", are interested in).
>
> 3) Obviously, we'd have to talk to education departments to see what they
> want.  But even without talking to them, it's obvious that there are some
> gaps, which it won't take that much effort to fill in.
>
> 4) See my comments above.  This is an entirely separate issue, in my view.
>
> I'm well aware that with all things, there will be disagreement on whether
> this is a suitable use of our time.  However, my view is that this will cost
> WMau nothing, not take up that much work (relatively speaking), and can
> possibly lead to some good press, help spread the knowledge around, and
> perhaps help recruit the next generation of Wiki-contributors.
>
> Regards,
> Craig
>
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>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Peter Halasz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* Wikimedia-au 
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:22 PM
> *Subject:* [personal] Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools
>
> Basically there are three issues being discussed: censorship, cut down
> wikipedia for schools, and an offline wikipedia.
>
> The schools issue is also confused. What is its purpose? Are we talking
> censoring images? Protecting children from dangerous information? Legal
> concerns? or are we trying to create textbooks? Use more appropriate
> (simpler) language? Create an offline Wikipedia? Filter content for children
> who are not old enough to tell nonsense from fact? Pick the best revision of
> an article for children? I don't see (which is) the purpose.
>
> But here's my two cents on these issues all the same:
>
> 1) We should be working with schools and concerned parents on these issues.
> We're not exactly being preemptive with schools anyway: Schools have been
> using Wikipedia for years, often having specific policies relating to its
> use in assignments. So before we do anything, we should be talking with
> schools. Do schools even have an issue with explicit images on Wikipedia?
> This thread was started by ISPs in England censoring Wikipedia -- not
> schools. Would hiding images be enough, or do they want entire articles
> censored? Are they happy enough censoring it themselves, or do they want
> more precise filters (e.g. removing/hiding images).
>
> 2) a schools wikipedia should not simply be a "whitelist" of "good pages"
> -- there are 2.5 million articles and we're not going to classify each one.
> For one it's f

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools

[Gnangarra]

Think you missed the point of what I proposed, there would be an extreme
minority of schools without any net access. IMHO it would be reasonable to
presume that if a school doesnt have net access for their students then its
unlikely that the teachers are going to use Wikipedia with the class
enviroment, the teachers probably wont even use WP a major resource either.

As for the other points I rasised I know we do these things already, what
I'm saying is rather then create a CD/DVD with articles we select on it, we
create one which empowers the teachers to create there own focused on what
they want.  We need to remember that many teachers arent Wiki literate nor
should we expect them to understand how the community works.

The idea is that we create a guide for them on how to use Wikimedia
resources both on and off line. That includes showing them how to identify
articles and how relaible the information is, how to track the actions of
their students and where to seek help when they need it.

2008/12/11 Liam Wyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> None of these things require a stable version online or offline. They
> are things that we already do with regards to Wikipedia proper.
> >
> > We show them how to identify article quality and what the class
> > rating indicates, including what deficiencies are.
> We should be doing this already with "normal" WP
> > How to read article historys to identify the version that they are
> > using
> Ditto
> > Cover copyright issues both for articles, and images what the
> > requirements are for a class room disc.
> Copyright is already ok. There is no problems for this - even for
> Fair Use because classroom use is perfectly acceptable.
> > High light the sourcing//verifiability of articles.
> We should already be doing this with "normal" WP
> >
> > Also cover editing basics, norms for user interaction, where to get
> > what type of help when online
>
> Ditto
>
>
> -Liam
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WP:AUS newsletter segment on WMA needed

[Gnangarra]

just alter the date on the AGM from "The first AGM is planned for January 10
2008." to "The first AGM is planned for January 11 2009."

2008/12/16 YellowMonkey 

> Would someone like to hop down to
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australia/Newsletter/December_2008
>
> and fill in a summary for us?
>
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[Wikimediaau-l] Poster sales

[Gnangarra]

Of interest http://www.wikiposter.fr/wikipedia.aspx

this link through fr.wikipedia, is it something we could or want to look
into?

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Poster sales

[Gnangarra]

Thats is interesting,

My issue is that the donation goes to a chapter rather than the Foundation,
so is there potential for us as a chapter to do this on en?




2008/12/20 Liam Wyatt 

> I suggest you have a look at Brianna's blog on this...
> http://brianna.modernthings.org/article/178/innovation-and-commerce-on-the-french-wikipedia-wikiposters
> -Liam
>
> On 20/12/2008, at 12:29 PM, Gnangarra wrote:
>
> Of interest http://www.wikiposter.fr/wikipedia.aspx
>
> this link through fr.wikipedia, is it something we could or want to look
> into?
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] AGM Election nominations closed

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My view is the rules are clear in that you can only nominate for one
position, I'd see it as being unfair on three people who have already
nominated as ordinary members.

If there wasnt enough nominations to fill all positions then asking the
person/people who miss out if they'd like to take on another role would be
acceptable.

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Liam

This is wonderful, we can offer to do some image restorations as part of
this to that end I've already approached User:Durova she's done a lot of
restorations of early images many are now FP on both commons and en and is
willing to do a digital restoration of some their images, all thats needs is
a large scan preferably in tif format rather than jpg

Norman Lindsay poster restored example
original --
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/h?pp/PPALL:@field(numb...@1(cph+3g12164))

restored version -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trumpetcallsa.jpg

Then theres this one of Labor members
original -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LabourGroup.jpg
restored version -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Labor_1901b.jpg

We can offer more then just writting an article...ultimately even some of
the restorations displayed with a credit to the restorer, Commons and WM-au


2009/1/13 Orderinchaos78 

> For this sort of stuff noone should ever be afraid of using WP:AWNB on en.
> It's not a terribly busy board, and it's got the content side of the
> readers. If it's something really big, make a note on WT:AUS linking back to
> the AWNB post. Is there an Australian commons community as well btw?
>
> (I realise the en regulars already know all this but just for those who
> aren't)
>
> 2009/1/13 Liam Wyatt 
>
>> >> How can we attract people who
>>
>> >> don't usually come to meetups? I expect embarrassingly few will turn
>> >> up if we can't do this.
>> >
>> > Yes, my concern too. Thoughts on how to increase turn-out:
>> >
>> > == Tell them ==
>> > * We spam everyone in
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Sydney
>> > , all ~231 of them, via their talk page, notifying them about this
>> > event
>> > for Wikipedians in Sydney,
>>
>> This I what I was expecting we would do - once the Membership of WM-
>> AU have had a chance to settle on a date.
>>
>> > * Put it on the Australian Wikipedian's noticeboard.
>> Yep. Even if they can't come because it's full or they're not in the
>> city, it makes them more aware of WM-AU as a real entity and
>> encourages them to join up in the future. So, it needn't be a "we
>> need more people" notice, but more of a "what your chapter is doing
>> for you, FYI".
>> >
>> >
>> > == Outreach to related communities ==
>> I really don't think we'll need to go beyond our immediate contacts
>> for this one. 20 people will fill up faster that you expect I believe.
>> >
>> > == Maybe add a sweetener? ==
>> >
>> I'm pretty sure there's enough sweetener in this already! :-) WM-AU
>> doesn't have any merch of its own as yet...
>> But did I mention that Powerhouse wants to put their marketing people
>> on to this and try to get this event mentioned in the papers/radio
>> the next day...? Sweet enough yet?
>> >
>> > == Exclusivity ==
>>
>> This, I expect will be a major drawcard factor, and something that is
>> implicit in the name of the event.
>> >
>> > Let's assume we do the above, and that gets us 7 more people.
>> >
>> > == Overbooking ==
>>
>> Hmm... not sure, I don't want to second guess a system that has never
>> been tested yet.
>> >
>> >
>> > So basically even if we do all of the above, we'll probably get
>> > about 7
>> > +7+6+7-7 = 20 people.
>> >
>> > That's my guess anyway.
>> >
>> > -- All the best,
>> > Nick.
>>
>> In conclusion - I think we'll get our 20 quick-smart. The trick is
>> not so much finding 20 people who are willing to get access to
>> Powerhouse for free, but more a question of finding 20 people who
>> will repay the Powerhouse's generosity with some effort on WP.
>> Remember - this is not just a free-ride, we have to put back too...
>> *This will be the trick to making this successful and getting the
>> Powerhouse to recommend us to other institutions in the future.* This
>> is our "job interview".
>>
>> -Liam
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Backstage Pass event in Sydney

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A notice at WP:AWNB is ok but targeting individuals isnt a good idea

2009/1/14 Nick Perkins 

> I would recommend caution with "spamming" Sydney Wikipedians.
>
> I remember in recent past where someone "spammed" Wikipedians who were
> listed as supporting WMAU letting them know some important information and
> community reaction was mixed. Perhaps having notices up in the usual
> places would be good.
>
> For the future, a WMAU newsletter or similar could be organised to contain
> this kind of information. A bot account could be set up to post this out to
> subscribers on a fairly regular basis. There are a few Australian bot
> runners who might be able to assist with that.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Backstage Pass event in Sydney

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One does kinda expect to get spammed from facebook groups occassionally

2009/1/15 Orderinchaos78 

> Yeah I don't see any harm in using the Facebook group.
>
> 2009/1/15 Charles Gregory 
>
> It also just occurred to me the Wikimedia Australia group on facebook is
>> another avenue - the membership of the group currently sits at 48, which
>> would be close the number of actual financial members WMAU has - but there
>> wouldn't be 100% overlap - we may be able to catch a few more along the
>> way.  Anyway, it is another avenue to publicise our activities.  It may even
>> be a good idea to send a general summary update anyway, perhaps encouraging
>> them to join as financial members?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Lloyd Nguyen  wrote:
>>
>>> Strike out the spam option and that sounds good. Even if it's a good
>>> intention that's never a good way to go about it.
>>>
>>> 2009/1/14 Liam Wyatt :
>>> > 3) Depending on the number of available spots left we: headhunt
>>> specific
>>> > Sydney Wikipedians on the Sydney-WIkipedian's category (a "ask your
>>> friends"
>>> > approach); We spam on the talkpages of those listed in the
>>> > sydney-wikipedian's category; We advertise in the Wikiproject Australia
>>> > noticeboard (and/or similar).
>>> >
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] contacting external people

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I'll throw it back here rather than add to the page,

WM-au neds an ID system and if we want to be more serious some form of
accreditation system for photographers to attend these kind of thing. The
reason is that we are then establishing that the person is a member of the
association and that association has no issue with the person contact them
as such. Accerditation will also ensure that the person is actually going to
use and release the photographs under a free license via one of the projects
rather than get access and then just sell the images.

2009/1/16 private musings 

> Hi all,
>
> I've created http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Contacting_external_folk as a
> place to centralise some information, and chat about good processes for how
> non-committee members (and indeed anyone really) may be able to make contact
> with external agencies for various reasons - take a look if you get the
> chance, and help knock it into shape :-)
>
> My inspiration for this was a whisper that it might be possible to attend a
> Manly Sea Eagles training / press session to get some high quality images -
> I know that the Wallabies (union national team) are also fairly open to such
> things, so thought it might be a good idea to centralise the info.
>
> cheers,
>
> Peter,
> PM.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Special:Import on the au wiki?

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The articles dont need to be drawn from en.wikipedia there are version
available on http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

2009/1/20 Andrew 

> (I'll note just by way of clarification that in saying "teachers generally
> avoid anything that creates work for them", I was meaning - having been in a
> busy staff room for several weeks in 2007 - that they already have *more*
> than enough to do without more being expected of them. Burnout is a real
> problem in that profession, especially in the specialist areas.)
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] contacting external people

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There is one person from NSW that I know of who was accredited by Wikinews
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Cartman02au

2009/1/22 David Gerard 

> 2009/1/16 Gnangarra :
>
> > WM-au neds an ID system and if we want to be more serious some form of
> > accreditation system for photographers to attend these kind of thing. The
> > reason is that we are then establishing that the person is a member of
> the
> > association and that association has no issue with the person contact
> them
> > as such. Accerditation will also ensure that the person is actually going
> to
> > use and release the photographs under a free license via one of the
> projects
> > rather than get access and then just sell the images.
>
>
> Are there Wikinews-accredited Wikinewsies in Australia? They'd be good
> quick first choices.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WM-AU national gathering

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While its nice and can be advantageous to piggy back on other groups for
confrences, the decision on when to hold the AGM and whether theres an event
to coincide with it must be that of our members/committee complying with
requirements of our constitution.

I'd also suggest that making blanket statements about elimating places as
potential venues for any events will do more to alienate current members and
potential members. The last Perth meetup had 14 people attend while Andrew
and myself tried to encourage memberships the dominant comment was there is
no advantage or reason for Perth people being part of an Eastern States
based group, these types of blanket statements only reinforce those
opinions.



2009/1/27 Charles Gregory 

> Hi everyone,
>
> Just a couple of thoughts about the planned Wikimedia Australia national
> gathering/meetup/conference/whatever.  I raised these ideas with Brianna
> last week but repeating them here for all to see ...
>
> Assuming the gathering is going to be (a) annual (b) roaming location wise,
> one option is aligning this with linux.conf.au (LCA) if possible.  Linux
> Australia do this with their AGM - host it the day after LCA finishes.
>
> Pros:
>
> 1. Main reason - An overlap in our target audience (open content = open
> source).  Many people travel for LCA, but have a limited travel budget/time
> allowance, and this would allow more to attend.
> 2. It takes the decision making out of our hands - less
> process/policy/bickering
> 3. If we go the full conference option - sharing publicity/resources with
> LCA
> 4. Benefits of that particular time of year - generally warm weather
> everywhere, and uni break means uni accommodation is available.
>
> Cons:
>
> 1. The LCA city is not always appropriate for a WM-AU meetup due to us
> being of a smaller size.  eg. Hobart, Cairns, Darwin, NZ, possibly Perth.
> Workaround - we decide our own venue in those particular years.
> 2. I believe our AGM needs to be held between July-November.  I'm not sure
> how Linux Australia gets away with holding theirs in January.  They may be
> incorporated in a different state with different rules?
>
> Other notes:
>
> - Since the next LCA will be in Wellington, I suggest we don't change our
> plans for this year - continue on with the late '09 Canberra option as
> previously suggested.
> - Are we going to LCA Wellington next year (Jan 2010) anyway?  We could
> assist WM-NZ with their formation.
> - Naturally if we were to host Wikimania it would not be influenced by
> this.
>
> Comments/ideas?
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: ABC's 'PM' covering Wikipedia Flagged Revs proposal

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So what is WM-au position on flagged revisions?

2009/1/27 YellowMonkey 

> The 6.10 screening is on all ABC local radios and the chats are always on
> teh ABC website on podcast or whatever
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Brianna Laugher <
> brianna.laug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just did a bit of an interview with Rachael Brown for the ABC radio show
>> 'PM'.
>>
>> Apparently it is on twice an evening: Radio National 5.10pm, and ABC
>> local (774 in Melbourne) at 6.10pm.
>>
>> Here's hoping it sounds OK, if someone could make a digital recording
>> somehow that would be ace :)
>>
>> cheers
>> Brianna
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: ABC's 'PM' covering Wikipedia Flagged Revs proposal

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I'd say for interviews specifically about WM-au then asking for it to be
under a free license would be a good idea but for instances like this where
the value to "us" is in being contacted and quoted then it shouldnt be a
concern

2009/1/27 Peter Halasz 

> Hi.
>
> How do copyrights work on interviews? Does the interviewee have joint
> copyright? And more specifically, are we able to place any interviews
> with Wikimedia members under a Creative Commons license (with the
> interviewee's permission)? Or does a joint copyright need to be a
> precondition of the interview?
>
> Might be worth looking into for future. I know Free Culture advocates
> often place their interviews under CC, but I'm not sure of the
> logistics/legal details of it.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Commons on Picture Australia

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1 -  Commons file information is actually more accurate with greater detail
compared to flickr images we have a greater degree of scrutiny ensuring that
the images are appropriate and freely licensed, also our scope isnt that of
flickr and we seek more images of record/encyclopaedic relevance. I have
already contacted PA on a number of occassion with errors in identifications
and spelling on image they already have

2 - All of our images are under a free license in accordance with both
policies and Australian laws the image source is listed, we can filter out
image from other sources by just creating another category call "Picture
Australia" and setting up its scope of being self made Australian images. As
PA sources include libraries they already have a number of duplicated
images, many of which dont even have the same description.

3 - There are already bots/scripts available that can identify recent
additions, and there are some good OS writers so having something created to
do the work shouldnt be a big issue its just a matter of finding someone
willing. Of course this would be an open source program which PA could use
else where in the future

4. - a Picture Australia category, and the software written to aquire images
from that category inparticular and from other categories in particular
wouldnt be a problem

2009/2/3 Liam Wyatt 

> Dear All,
>
> [cross post to commons-l and wikimediaaustralia-l]
>
> Picture Australia is interested in adding Commons photos to their service
> but has several technical issues they would like to resolve first. Can we
> help?
>
> Picture Australia is an archive aggregation service run by the National
> Library of Australia and aggregates searches across many Australian
> institutions (such as the various state libraries, universities, government
> departments) and also Flickr. You can see the project at
> http://www.pictureaustralia.org/index.html and you can see their other
> contributors at
> http://www.pictureaustralia.org/contribute/participants/index.html
>
> This is a quote from the email written to me from PA:
> At the moment our main source of contemporary images is Flickr and we are
> interested in investigating other sources of contemporary images.  There are
> a few issues with the Wikimedia Commons that we foresee:
> 1- the metadata quality is highly variable.  With Flickr contributors are
> able to provide a fair bit of additional metadata about their images.
> Before  pulling images in from Wikipedia we'd need the data to adhere to
> some basic standards.  (see
> http://www.pictureaustralia.org/contribute/metadata.html).
> 2- there are certainly a number of images that have been sourced from
> Picture Australia or our contributors.  Pulling these in would create an
> issue with duplicate images and would likely confuse users if they were
> attempting to buy a copy.
> 3- Wikipedia doesn't have an OAI interface so we would need to look at how
> to ingest the data.
>
> I would add a 4th concern, and I'm not sure if this is a big problem or
> easily fixed, is that most of the pictures on Commons are not relevant to
> PA. Would we be able to provide a feed of only the relevant categories?
>
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> - Liam Wyatt
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Commons on Picture Australia

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repost to get cross posting now I'm on both wmau list and commons list

2009/2/3 Gnangarra 

>
> 1 -  Commons file information is actually more accurate with greater detail
> compared to flickr images we have a greater degree of scrutiny ensuring that
> the images are appropriate and freely licensed, also our scope isnt that of
> flickr and we seek more images of record/encyclopaedic relevance. I have
> already contacted PA on a number of occassion with errors in identifications
> and spelling on image they already have
>
> 2 - All of our images are under a free license in accordance with both
> policies and Australian laws the image source is listed, we can filter out
> image from other sources by just creating another category call "Picture
> Australia" and setting up its scope of being self made Australian images. As
> PA sources include libraries they already have a number of duplicated
> images, many of which dont even have the same description.
>
> 3 - There are already bots/scripts available that can identify recent
> additions, and there are some good OS writers so having something created to
> do the work shouldnt be a big issue its just a matter of finding someone
> willing. Of course this would be an open source program which PA could use
> else where in the future
>
> 4. - a Picture Australia category, and the software written to aquire
> images from that category inparticular and from other categories in
> particular wouldnt be a problem
>
> 2009/2/3 Liam Wyatt 
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> [cross post to commons-l and wikimediaaustralia-l]
>>
>> Picture Australia is interested in adding Commons photos to their service
>> but has several technical issues they would like to resolve first. Can we
>> help?
>>
>> Picture Australia is an archive aggregation service run by the National
>> Library of Australia and aggregates searches across many Australian
>> institutions (such as the various state libraries, universities, government
>> departments) and also Flickr. You can see the project at
>> http://www.pictureaustralia.org/index.html and you can see their other
>> contributors at
>> http://www.pictureaustralia.org/contribute/participants/index.html
>>
>> This is a quote from the email written to me from PA:
>> At the moment our main source of contemporary images is Flickr and we are
>> interested in investigating other sources of contemporary images.  There are
>> a few issues with the Wikimedia Commons that we foresee:
>> 1- the metadata quality is highly variable.  With Flickr contributors are
>> able to provide a fair bit of additional metadata about their images.
>> Before  pulling images in from Wikipedia we'd need the data to adhere to
>> some basic standards.  (see
>> http://www.pictureaustralia.org/contribute/metadata.html).
>> 2- there are certainly a number of images that have been sourced from
>> Picture Australia or our contributors.  Pulling these in would create an
>> issue with duplicate images and would likely confuse users if they were
>> attempting to buy a copy.
>> 3- Wikipedia doesn't have an OAI interface so we would need to look at how
>> to ingest the data.
>>
>> I would add a 4th concern, and I'm not sure if this is a big problem or
>> easily fixed, is that most of the pictures on Commons are not relevant to
>> PA. Would we be able to provide a feed of only the relevant categories?
>>
>> All the best,
>> - Liam Wyatt
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pd-Australia

[Gnangarra]

The duration of copyright in photographs was significantly extended as a
result of implementing Australia's
obligations under the AUSFTA. This made protection for photographs
consistent with protection for other types of
artistic works. For photographs in which copyrights still subsisted on 1
January 2005, or which are created on or
after that date, copyright lasts until 70 years from the end of the year in
which the photographer died.

Prior to this phototgraphs were PD after 50 years they were taken not after
the death of the photographer,

Painting etc have always been after the artists death, there was a window of
opportunity to copyrighted works in other countries that werent covered by
US copyright that the owner could register the work in the US and get
copyright reinstate in the US though it *did not & could not *be applied if
copyright had been extinguished in the originating country, the target group
of works for this was some cinamatic and all music where copyright in the US
was 20-25 years for foreign works, though it could have been applied to
photographs I havent seen any images that have been registered..

It is common practise for Australian institutions to claim copyright on PD
images where they dont actually have that right but they can reasonable
expect a fee for providing high quality large format copies for reuse so I
presume they use the copyright claim as the way of ensuring they get the
fee.

The image is already used in the FA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman and was on the main page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/August_27,_2008I'd
say theres very little doubt given the scrutiny and usage that the
image
has already had in the last 6 months that its PD


2009/2/10 Liam Wyatt 

> Oh I hate this stuff
>
> According to the reading by the Copyright Council of Australia (who are the
> most conservative in these matters) the rules are that the image is PD if
> the photographer *died* before 1955 - not whether the photograph was
> *published* before 1955. So, in the case of Anon photographers this gets
> even trickier.
> http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introduction/intro-5.htm
>
> I don't know if we want to take their advice, but on that reading it is
> *likely* that a 1946 photographer probably lived 'till 1955 and therefore
> the image is *likely* still copyrighted. However, this is NOT the practice
> on WP to-date and it is not an uncontested reading.
>
> -Liam
>
> On 2/10/09, YellowMonkey  wrote:
>
>> Can anyone who understands PD-Australia look at
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Donald_Bradman_with_the_Australian_cricket_team_in_England_in_1948
>>
>> please
>>
>> The 1955 rule seems to being challenged again
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pd-Australia

[Gnangarra]

Under the FTA copyright in the US is extinguished if the copyright in the
originating country was already extinguished at the time of FTA being
implimented

2009/2/11 Stephen Bain 

> 2009/2/10 Liam Wyatt :
> >
> > According to the reading by the Copyright Council of Australia (who are
> the
> > most conservative in these matters) the rules are that the image is PD if
> > the photographer *died* before 1955 - not whether the photograph was
> > *published* before 1955. So, in the case of Anon photographers this gets
> > even trickier.
> > http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introduction/intro-5.htm
>
> Photos are a special case. Prior to the FTA changes, the rule was 50
> years after the photo was *taken*. Any photo taken in Australia before
> 1 Jan 1955 is in the public domain in Australia.
>
> After the FTA changes, the rule became life of the author plus 70,
> just like for other types of works. This applies to any photo taken
> after 1 Jan 2005, or any photo still in copyright as at 1 Jan 2005.
>
> That's only Australian copyright though, things can be under copyright
> still in the US even if they are out of copyright elsewhere, thanks to
> stupid American copyright law.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Innovative Ideas forum - National Library

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You'll be in Perth that sounds like a good excuse for organising a meetup,
do you have any time available?

2009/2/17 Confusing Manifestation 

> Oh great ...
>
> Seeing as I'll be in Perth that weekend, anyone else like to go?
>
> CM
>
> 2009/2/17 Liam Wyatt :
> > For anyone who will be in Canberra on the last weekend of March, the
> > National Library of Australia will be hosting their "Innovative Ideas
> Forum"
> > on the topic of "the Value of Social Networking for Cultural
> Institutions"
> > on Friday the 28th.
> >
> > There will be several speakers of renown and some really cool projects
> > discussed (such as the Australian Newspaper digitisation project).
> However,
> > this is already fully booked. You can add your name to the waiting list
> if
> > you want. They do not advertise this widely and it is by word of mouth
> that
> > people find out about it.
> >
> > I don't know how many from the waiting list will get a spot, but you can
> > always give it a go.
> > http://www.nla.gov.au/initiatives/meetings/innovative-ideas-forum/2009/
> >
> > All the best,
> > -Liam [[user:witty lama]]
> >
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian public broadcaster releases first material under CC

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NC is ok its not ideal nor does it make it possible for reuse on all
Wikimedia sites but the release is a step in the right direction for us, at
some time the future they'll see the benefit to themselves by allowing
commercial use as well, until then we can appreciate the significance of the
release and encourage them to continue with making works available.

2009/2/17 Karl Goetz 

> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:06:47 +1100
> Nathan Carter  wrote:
>
> > A big boost for the free-culture movement in Australia
>
> Great to see (pity about the -nc though).
> kk
>
> >
> > 2009/2/17 Jessica Coates :
> > > A couple of days ago the ABC's excellent collaborative media site,
> > > Pool, posted a recording of genetics professor Steve Jones talking
> > > about Darwin's life and work under a Creative Commons
> > > Attribution-Noncommercial licence. As far as we're aware, this is
> > > the very first time material from the ABC archives has been
> > > released under a Creative Commons licence.
> > >
> > > And this is just the beginning. Pool plans to release a whole
> > > series of ABC archival materials that for remixing as part of its
> > > its Gene Pool project.
> > >
> > > We're all very excited here at CCau. The ABC has, almost without
> > > question, the largest historical audiovisual archive in Australia.
> > > Just think what we can do with it.
> > >
> > > Read more about it at CCau here:
> > > http://creativecommons.org.au/node/211
> > >
> > > Or on Pool itself:
> > >
> http://pool.org.au/blog/pool_team/gene_pool_launch_and_open_archives_release
> .
> > >
> > >
> > > Jessica Coates
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Open website editing?

[Gnangarra]

Reading this I see that there may be a shift as to what the purpose of the
Wiki was for, from my understanding it was for the record keeping related to
WM-au activities, this would include some discussions and event notices but
I cant see any purpose that we would have a need for non-members to have
open access to our records that couldnt be managed by the creation of an
account for that purpose.

If an individual wants the rights of a member then $40 membership fee is a
very small barrier to gain such rights.



2009/6/14 John Vandenberg 

> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Sarah Ewart wrote:
> > Yes, I also agree there's no consensus, but remember that this isn't the
> > English Wikipedia and we don't necessarily do things by consensus. WP:CON
> > can be useful in group decision making, but we're not bound by it and
> having
> > a Wikipedia-style "consensus" for something doesn't necessarily mean it
> will
> > or won't happen as the Chapter and the committee have obligations and
> > responsibilities outside a "consensus" among half-a-dozen people on a
> > mailing list.
> >
> > When we were setting up the official wiki, the committee considered using
> > flagged revs for members.  (see:
> >
> http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Resolution:Officialwiki_configuration_and_accounts
> )
> > I'm not sure what ended up happening with it or how far we got towards
> > implementation, but I guess we could consider the possibility of using
> > flagged revs.
>
> The original intention was that flagged revs was going to prevent
> members from making unapproved changes to pages which need committee
> approval before modification can go live.  So far we haven't needed
> that.
>
> Before non-members can edit the WM-AU website, a new resolution from
> the committee would be needed.
>
> > However, I feel that Brianna raised some important issues with regard to
> > members v non-members editing that can't just be cast aside.
>
> Brianna's suggestion is feasible, if a committee is willing to take on
> the extra work involved in managing the new account requests.  As
> there is no monetary disincentive, the process of accepting
> non-members would require verification of wiki-identity where
> applicable; there are plenty of people who would love to waste our
> time in order to have a few lulz.  And as these users will not be
> members, there will be no compensation for time and effort of whoever
> is handling new non-member account setup.
>
> We still have a meta presence, and non-members can knock themselves
> out over there.  As a result, I am opposed to opening the doors for
> the sake of a few spelling corrections.  Currently we don't need or
> want an active administration team.
>
> > Nick, I also don't think editing privs is an effective draw-card for
> getting
> > more members. I can't imagine anyone being motivated to join WMAu so they
> > can edit the official wiki. But we don't currently have the ability to
> offer
> > much in tangible members privs so it counts in "What do I get?".
>
> If someone indicated they were willing to pay $40 in order to edit our
> website, I would be quite worried about their motivations.
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[Wikimediaau-l] GLAM Challenge

[Gnangarra]

During the last few months Wikimedia Australia has been organising
GLAM<http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/GLAM>we want everybody to be apart
of this event, we know not everyone can attend
in person so we have organised the
GLAM-Challenge<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/GLAM_challenge>

Its not just an ordinary challenge we have kindly recieved from some of the
participating institutions a number of items which will be given away as
prizes for your efforts, prefernece will be given to efforts that produce
something to further the knowledge of Australian subjects or have an
association to one of the GLAM institutions in any Wikimedia project
<http://wikimedia.org/>

What do you need to do to be apart of this between now and the 13th July you
need to sign up as an
entrant<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/GLAM_challenge#Entrants>.
Create a subpage from your user account on meta identifiing your theme list
all your edits on your theme between the 13th July and 23:59UTC on the 19th
July, by 23:59utc on the 20th, judging will start after that date. The
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] relavent to GLAM

[Gnangarra]

Opening communication between the Australian Institutions and wiki world is
what GLAM is for, at the extreme if such an issue was to arise with an
Australian Institution we would be able to resolve the concerns without
legal threats.  GLAM is about us working together and understand each others
needs and rights so that such an issue should never arise, to encourage this
we also need more Wiki people to attend, thanks to some sponsors Wikimedia
Australia has just announced an offer bursaries to assist people in
attending.

GLAM isnt a soapbox in the middle of Hyde Park for people to preach US law
to UK institutions and such soapboxing while occassionally necessary it isnt
productive when everybody is there to better understand each others needs.
I'd also note the many UK Institutions have always maintained that the US
Bridgeman v. Corel decision isnt reasonable and that if one wishes to see
these works they should do so at the institution that owns them. Also if one
wishes to display them outside the institution given the expenses involve in
obtaining and preserving these works they should have the right to some form
of compensation.

2009/7/11 private musings 

> well just for the record, I hope we can do better than referring to an
> action clearly intended (however misguided) to protect the work of a
> rather venerable cultural institution as 'batshit insane' :-) - I
> rather think it runs the risk of making us seem a bit radical and
> unfriendly - not my perception of what GLAM is all about.
>
> This bit though "So the thing is really: how to convince museums and
> galleries to open
> up, use us for free publicity and spreading their good name"  -
> absolutely spot on... :-)
>
> now play nice.
>
> best,
>
> Peter,
> PM.
>
> On 7/11/09, David Gerard  wrote:
> > On 11/07/2009, private musings  wrote:
> >
> >> This is rather important + serious stuff which relates to the 'GLAM'
> >> sector
> >> - hopefully we'll be leading the way in ensuring good communication may
> >> help
> >> resolve problems like this;
> >> (basically a Commons user has received a legal letter relating to
> uploads
> >> of
> >> photographs of gallery items)
> >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Dcoetzee/NPG_legal_threat,
> >
> >
> > It doesn't help that the NPG's actions (a UK org threatening a US
> > citizen with legal action over actions that are unambiguously not a
> > copyright violation of any sort in US law) are, how do I put this,
> > FRANKLY INSANE.
> >
> > I made a quick summary blog post:
> > http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2009/07/11/sue-and-be-damned/
> >
> > Note that another notable UK museum, the V&A, took the opposite tack:
> > open their collections, spread their name and pictures of their
> > exhibits, reap the publicity. (The V&A is fantastic, and no photo can
> > substitute for seeing the stuff in real life.)
> >
> > So the thing is really: how to convince museums and galleries to open
> > up, use us for free publicity and spreading their good name ... and
> > not act batshit insane like the NPG appears to be.
> >
> >
> > - d.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] GLAM Challenge

[Gnangarra]

After a slow start to nomination we have extended the period to nominate
until 24th July with the Challange running from the 13th until the 31st July

2009/7/3 Gnangarra 

> During the last few months Wikimedia Australia has been organising 
> GLAM<http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/GLAM>we want everybody to be apart of this 
> event, we know not everyone can attend
> in person so we have organised the 
> GLAM-Challenge<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/GLAM_challenge>
>
> Its not just an ordinary challenge we have kindly recieved from some of the
> participating institutions a number of items which will be given away as
> prizes for your efforts, prefernece will be given to efforts that produce
> something to further the knowledge of Australian subjects or have an
> association to one of the GLAM institutions in any Wikimedia project
> <http://wikimedia.org/>
>
> What do you need to do to be apart of this between now and the 13th July
> you need to sign up as an 
> entrant<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/GLAM_challenge#Entrants>.
> Create a subpage from your user account on meta identifiing your theme list
> all your edits on your theme between the 13th July and 23:59UTC on the 19th
> July, by 23:59utc on the 20th, judging will start after that date. The
> recipients will be contacted directly by email, with prizes announced by the
> 1st August.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] GLAM Challenge

[Gnangarra]

Not really any constraints but obviously worked focused towards GLAM
institutions their exhibits etc or Australian subject in general will help
to distinguish between the many fine efforts we'll recieve

2009/7/14 YellowMonkey 

> ah, what the restraints of the editing topic?
>
> Daniel has signed himself for metoericigical incidents
>
> I suppose as the [[Australian Cricket Hall of Fame]] is a museum exhibit,
> the inductees themselves are also museum exhibits, well pictures of them
> anyway I have a few in mind
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
>> After a slow start to nomination we have extended the period to nominate
>> until 24th July with the Challange running from the 13th until the 31st July
>>
>> 2009/7/3 Gnangarra 
>>
>> During the last few months Wikimedia Australia has been organising 
>> GLAM<http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/GLAM>we want everybody to be apart of this 
>> event, we know not everyone can attend
>>> in person so we have organised the 
>>> GLAM-Challenge<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/GLAM_challenge>
>>>
>>> Its not just an ordinary challenge we have kindly recieved from some of
>>> the participating institutions a number of items which will be given away as
>>> prizes for your efforts, prefernece will be given to efforts that produce
>>> something to further the knowledge of Australian subjects or have an
>>> association to one of the GLAM institutions in any Wikimedia project
>>> <http://wikimedia.org/>
>>>
>>> What do you need to do to be apart of this between now and the 13th July
>>> you need to sign up as an 
>>> entrant<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/GLAM_challenge#Entrants>.
>>> Create a subpage from your user account on meta identifiing your theme list
>>> all your edits on your theme between the 13th July and 23:59UTC on the 19th
>>> July, by 23:59utc on the 20th, judging will start after that date. The
>>> recipients will be contacted directly by email, with prizes announced by the
>>> 1st August.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] GLAM Challenge

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Saving one of these could be a GLAM challenge theme, its not too late start

2009/7/21 YellowMonkey 

> There are four Australian articles in the FAR firing line at the moment...I
> wish I had goods I could offer people to get them to help :(
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Brianna Laugher <
> brianna.laug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It would be great to see a few more folks from this list taking part.
>> <
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/GLAM_challenge#Entrants
>> >
>>
>> Is there anything in particular holding people back?
>>
>> Is it confusing as to how it works?
>> Is the theme uninteresting?
>> Prizes not exciting enough?
>>
>> Anything we could change that would make you more likely to take part?
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Brianna
>>
>>
>> 2009/7/11 Gnangarra :
>>  > After a slow start to nomination we have extended the period to
>> nominate
>> > until 24th July with the Challange running from the 13th until the 31st
>> July
>> >
>> > 2009/7/3 Gnangarra 
>> >>
>> >> During the last few months Wikimedia Australia has been organising GLAM
>> we
>> >> want everybody to be apart of this event, we know not everyone can
>> attend in
>> >> person so we have organised the GLAM-Challenge
>> >>
>> >> Its not just an ordinary challenge we have kindly recieved from some of
>> >> the participating institutions a number of items which will be given
>> away as
>> >> prizes for your efforts, prefernece will be given to efforts that
>> produce
>> >> something to further the knowledge of Australian subjects or have an
>> >> association to one of the GLAM institutions in any Wikimedia project
>> >>
>> >> What do you need to do to be apart of this between now and the 13th
>> July
>> >> you need to sign up as an entrant.  Create a subpage from your user
>> account
>> >> on meta identifiing your theme list all your edits on your theme
>> between the
>> >> 13th July and 23:59UTC on the 19th July, by 23:59utc on the 20th,
>> judging
>> >> will start after that date. The recipients will be contacted directly
>> by
>> >> email, with prizes announced by the 1st August.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia, judges and strippers

[Gnangarra]

very close to wikinews article though, especially given the recent ABC
interviews Liam has done

2009/8/3 Craig Franklin 

>  You beat me by mere seconds.  Probably not enough for an enwiki article
> yet, but hopefully just the first of many!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Liam Wyatt
> *Sent:* Monday, 3 August 2009 8:56 PM
> *To:* Wikimedia-au
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia, judges and strippers
>
>
>
> Well, I'm not sure actually what that article means!
> But, here's an even better link:
>
> The first article in the press about GLAM-WIKI :-D
> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26683/1231/
>
> It's not only long and positive, it's also factually correct!
>
> -Liam [[witty lama]]
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Craig Franklin  wrote:
>
> Well, I have to admit, this is probably the most attention-grabbing subject
> line yet posted to this mailing list! =)
>
>
>
> *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Coates
> *Sent:* Monday, 3 August 2009 2:35 PM
> *To:* wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia, judges and strippers
>
>
>
> In case people haven't seen it - discussion on references to Wikmedia sites
> by judges - including one all about strippers.
>
>
>
> http://www.dbs.id.au/blog/law/lap-dance-wikipedia.html
>
>
>
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>
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[Wikimediaau-l] GLAM Photographs

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Photographs from wednesday night and the first day of GLAM-Wiki have been
posted to Commons, they can all be found in the category:GLAM Wiki 09
Anyone else who
took photos can you please include them in this category

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[Wikimediaau-l] GLAM - in media

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A new article that covers Kate Lundy's appearance at Glam
http://www.techworld.com.au/article/314178/nbn_will_cause_social_tipping_point_senator_kate_lundy

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] GLAM Photographs

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Yep no worries, been travelling so havent had time to do full descriptions

2009/8/10 Charles Gregory 

> Liam - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GLAM_friday_gnangarra_01.JPG
>
> Brianna -
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GLAM_Thu_arvo_gnangarra_06.JPG
>
> That's all I can make out at the moment from the thumbnails!
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 1:12 PM, YellowMonkey wrote:
>
>> can you ID the folks please???
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:
>>
>>> Photographs from wednesday night and the first day of GLAM-Wiki have been
>>> posted to Commons, they can all be found in the category:GLAM Wiki 09
>>>  <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_Wiki_09>Anyone else
>>> who took photos can you please include them in this category
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[Wikimediaau-l] results - Glam challenge

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Hi everybody

The Glam Challeng finished  earlier this month now that I have been able to
contact the winners I'd like to congratulate User:Yellow Monkey and User:The
Ed17 they are both eagerly watching for the postman for the wonderful
donations from The Australian War Memorial, The National Gallery of
Australia and The Powerhouse Museum.

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[Wikimediaau-l] Perth Meetup

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Hi all

I started a discussion to arrange a meetup in Perth if your *interested join
the discussion *or
if your going to be over this way at another time email me I'll see
what
can be arranged.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection

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the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been added
to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really
interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig



2009/11/6 Craig Franklin 

>  Hi All,
>
>
>
> I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
> GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
> Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
> has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts”
> photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
> Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
> photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
> in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
> his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
> as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
> are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
> their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has
> travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.
>
>
>
> So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
> thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see
> what’s been uploaded so far here:
>
>
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection
>
>
>
> My request to all of you, basically, is to:
>
>
>
> · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much
> as possible.
>
> · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where
> this content can be used, and use it.
>
> · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits
> of making their collections available through Commons and other free media
> repositories!
>
> · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any
> problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on
> providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.
>
>
>
> Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been
> digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in
> volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually **do
> ** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that.
> If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography
> experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on.
>
>
>
> It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
> collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the
> country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here
> in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM
> projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in
> general.
>
>
>
> If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel
> free to ask me!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Craig Franklin
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Bidding for Wikimania 2012

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The BES people were actively canvassing us for the possabillity of a bid
from Sydney. Australia will only get one opportunity in the next 5
years(more likely 10) to host a Wikimania we need to maximise the opporunity
for locals to attend . I see nothing wrong with starting a sydney bid page
especially given that there is specific interest from the convention
industry and we are gathering much needed information/experience/knowledge
anyway. One thing that Canberra/GLAM-Wiki did show was that without outside
assistance(AWM, Dictionary of Sydney, WMF) we didnt have the resources to
host a small scale national event. Another experience which the committee
was also able to learn is that the WM-au committee can only do so much but
without a highly dedicated local organiser(or group) the outcome is going to
much different. From what I'm seeing we have Liam, Angela with BES support
working towards Sydney 2011/2012, there is no reason for them to stop
developing a bid from Sydney nor is there any barrier for another location
to also submit a bid. WM-au should be supportive of all bids even if there
is more than one Australian city bidding because which ever is successful
the members are the ones that will benefit, also because WM-au members arent
just from Sydney nor Melbourne but right across the country the committee
should be working to get the best possible outcomes for all members that
outcome is a Wikimania in Australia.

2009/11/26 Stephen Bain 

> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Andrew  wrote:
> >
> > I think some discussion would need to be entered as to which city would
> be
> > best. The city with our greatest number of volunteers - and certainly the
> > most accessible city from a national/international point of view - is
> > Melbourne. I don't know what venues are available in that city, though.
>
> In some preliminary investigations a couple of years ago I checked out
> the University of Melbourne (my university). It has a wide selection
> of lecture theatres etc for hosting the sessions (most being wired for
> audio recording already, and some for video), and between semesters
> rooms in the colleges are available for rent at pretty reasonable
> prices - this would suit a bulk order of accommodation. The campus is
> also close to the city and other accommodation.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] AGM report

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2009/12/1 Peter Jeremy 

> On 2009-Nov-30 10:42:49 +1100, private musings 
> wrote:
> >that here in Sydney, we're shooting for one more mini-meetup before
> >christmas,
>
> I think this might be being hopeful.
>
> > it would be great to get as many folk along as possible, and on a
> >related note, I've just created http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetups to
> see
> >if a centralised meetup area on the 'official' wiki might help - please do
> >add info. from other states as appropriate :-)
>
> IMHO, the major downside of moving the local meetups page to the
> WM-AU server is that only WM-AU members have editing rights.  This
> means that people who aren't members, for whatever reason, aren't
> able to comment.  My feeling is that this will discourage people.
>

Having a meetup page for WM-au organised events is fine but it should not be
seen or promoted as a replacement to/of Wikipedia meetups organised by local
editors




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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki

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2009/12/11 Liam Wyatt 

> One disadvantage of this would be that one of the promoted benefits of
> membership (being able to edit the wiki) is no longer exclusive.
>

Seriously is this a benefit,
whats the wiki for
why would anyone join up just to edit the wiki




>
> From a personal point of view, I believe that increasing the editability of
> the chapter wiki will increase the number and range of things happening in
> Australia and therefore become a driver of membership and activity. But, I'd
> like to hear what the current non-members think.
>
> -Liam
> (yes, I'm a member)
>
> wittylama.com/blog
> Peace, love & metadata
>
>
I though that Wikimedia is built on a philopsy of anyone can edit, surely
promoting that philopsy is the aim of the chapter. Wouldnt it be wise for
Wikimedia-Australia to hold that as corner stone of its purpose. Does anyone
think that the goals and ideals "which we hold dear" should not be what we
present in our public place.

The chapter Wiki as a way of facilitating discussion within the Australian
community is a good starting point, let it be a host for members to write
about their wiki experiences, to seek help in opening doors to the GLAM
sector, let it be somewhere for non wiki people to seek assistance in
opening their doors and making what they have collected freely available to
all.

By all means place restrictions on what non-members can do but remember
Wikimedia-au is judged by what its does and dont expect others to do what
Wikimedia-au isnt willing to do itself.

Wikimedia-au long term future rests on whether it can grow its membership
over the next year, to do that its needs to be "of value" it needs to be
doing things to create that value, importantly it needs to be seen to be
doing them. People arent going to be productive in the group if there is
nothing for them to productive with, they arent going continue with a group
if they dont have a voice in that group,  and they definitely wont join a
group if they cant first experience the group and meet some of the people
already there.


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki

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2009/12/12 Liam Wyatt 

> Peter (Halasz), um... your last post is probably not helpful. I happen to
> agree with you that it is a good idea to make the chapter Wiki more open to
> editing. However, this is a discussion about the
> validity/importance/appropriateness of doing so and making inflammatory
> statements risks you falling foul of 'godwins law' and, by corollary, losing
> automatically. :-)
>
> This discussion here has heard from people who are members, elected
> committee and lapsed members, but I think we've yet to hear from anyone who
> is not a member as to whether they would be more willing to be involved with
> chapter activities. I would like to point to the UK chapter's "water
> cooler " as an example of the
> kind of active conversations that I think the Chapter should be hosting on
> our "Billabong " - which is where
> this whole discussion started from. I note with interest that they recently
> had a discussion on that page about whether their wiki should allow IP
> editing or not.
>
> Could any non-members who are following this discussion please pipe up, as,
> all current discussants are members and by definition are already allowed to
> edit and therefore any change wouldn't affect them very much.
>


Umm I'm a non-member, well past member who is no longer financial and
believe my editing status has been changed




>
> In any case, I have added to the agenda of the forthcoming committee
> meeting an item about whether we should change editing rights.
>
> -Liam [[witty lama]]
>
>
>
> wittylama.com/blog
> Peace, love & metadata
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Angela  wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure why there's an assumption that edits by members are
>> trustworthy (and edits by others are not). Since anyone can become a
>> member, it's not reasonable to expect none of them will ever do
>> anything bad on the wiki. And you're going to have a problem blocking
>> them from the wiki if editing that is supposed to be something that
>> they've been promised in return for their membership fee - do you want
>> to have to give back their money if you find you need to block them? A
>> better option might be to protect important pages and be quick to
>> block problem users.
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] New roles - Creative Commons & National Museum

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HI Liam

Congratulations

Cheers
Gideon

On 6 February 2012 13:19, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi all,
> crossposting to the Australia lists & cultural partners list,
>
> I'd just like to send a quick message to you all to tell you what I'm up
> to, now that my "GLAM Fellowship" with the WMF is over. I would not
> normally feel the need to interrupt everyone by detailing what my
> employment is, but it is quite relevant to Wikimedia & GLAM so I think I
> should explain briefly. I apologise in advance for the self-focused post!
> If you're interested in more details, or can help by giving me
> tips/contacts, please reply offlist.
>
> From last week, I have taken a part time role with the Australian Research
> Council funded "Centre for Creative Industries and Innovation"
> http://cci.edu.au/ which is also the office of Creative Commons Australia
> (and sponsored the first ever GLAM-WIKI conference in 2009). My role will
> be to assist Australian cultural organisations to get more of their
> archives online using Creative Commons (especially under cc-0 and cc-by).
> [By definition I will therefore NOT be focusing on getting access to
> already Public Domain content, but this might happen as a flow-on effect in
> some cases]. This is not an "advocacy" role but a practical "hand holding"
> role. Not all of this work will be relevant to Wikimedia projects, but
> hopefully I'll be able to report frequently in "This Month in GLAM" on new
> content available for Wikimedians to use. I have several leads and contacts
> already, but if you know any Australian cultural organisations that are
> interested in using CC, please consider passing their details to me offlist
> so I can help facilitate.
>
> Relatedly, also last week, I have accepted the six-month role of "2012
> Directors Fellowship" at the National Museum of Australia. They have asked
> me to develop a comprehensive "Wikimedia strategy" for the organisation
> which includes staff training, executive briefing, situation report (e.g.
> what other museums are doing, and how their content is already being used)
> and a three year plan. Once this project is finished and the situation
> report & plan is formally accepted I will also put it on Commons in case
> others find it useful. Unsurprisingly, I will probably be recommending they
> run "backstage pass tours" and "editathon" events - so look out for that
> too :-)
>
> Sincerely,
> -Liam / wittylama
> p.s. I'm also doing a Masters in IP law this year - because the world
> needs more Copyright lawyers! :-P
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: Stakeholder meeting to coordinate response re proposed football codes' amendment to Copyright Act

[Gnangarra]

I would think if the chapter has someone who can attend officially it'd be
good place to have a voice especially as this is one the things IMHO the
chapter should be recognised as a stakeholder



On 17 February 2012 19:57, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> Anyone interested in going to this (Sydney, Tuesday 10-12:30)?
> This was sent to me (and presumably everyone else on their database) by
> the Australian Digital Alliance - who are worried about the government
> making kneejerk amendments to copyright law that will hider internet
> innovation, as a result of this:
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-01/optus-wins-landmark-sports-broadcast-case/3805976
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-10/afl-appeals-optus-copyright-ruling/3823430
> I'll be going along, but just in case anyone else wishes to attend. Please
> reply to them directly if you want to go (and tell me so we can meet up) :-)
>
> -Liam
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *Ellen Broad*
> Date: Friday, 17 February 2012
> Subject: Stakeholder meeting to coordinate response re proposed football
> codes' amendment to Copyright Act
>
>
>
>  Dear Liam,
>
> Two weeks ago, the Federal Court ruled that time shifting provisions in
> the Copyright Act covered consumers using a cloud based personal video
> recording service. The service in question before the Federal Court was
> Optus’ TV Now Service, which allows Optus customers to use all kinds of
> devices (tablets, smartphones, notebooks and computers) to record broadcast
> television “in the cloud” and play it back within a particular time frame.
> 
>
>   
>
> By now, you have probably seen the recent media reports that the
> government is considering urgent amendments to the Copyright Act to respond
> to sporting bodies' concerns about the Federal Court’s decision.
>
> The Australian Digital Alliance and many other stakeholders have serious
> concerns that any hasty government action in response to the decision could
> have significant negative implications for *innovative services, cloud
> computing* and perhaps most importantly, *consumer rights *to use
> copyright exceptions to the full extent intended by Parliament. 
>
> ** **
>
>  Any watering down of the Federal Court's decision will likely
> significantly restrict the ability of consumers to use innovative
> technologies to consume legal content in the time and manner of their
> choosing.   Without great care, any amendments could also have serious
> consequences for education, library and cultural institutions whose
> students and users exercise rights under the Copyright Act such as fair
> dealing.
>
> We understand that a proposed amendment to the Copyright Act to alleviate
> the concerns of the football codes is imminent.
>
> ** **
>
>  The ADA would like to invite you to a meeting to share information and
> concerns about any amendments to overturn the Court's decision, and to
> coordinate a strategic response to government to express the widest
> possible range of user concerns about any hasty legislative change.
>
> Given the urgency of the need to coordinate a response to government, the
> meeting will be held this *Tuesday 21 February* from 10am – 12:30pm in
> Sydney. The venue will be confirmed later today.
>
> I’d appreciate it if you could let me know if you’re able to attend as
> soon as possible. I apologise for the short notice, but understand that it
> may be critical to raise stakeholder concerns with government as a matter
> of urgency.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Ellen Broad
>
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>
> Copyright Adviser | Law and Policy
> Australian Libraries Copyright Committee
>
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> **
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] W2G: Western Australian picture opportunity

[Gnangarra]

thx JJ, I've already contacted Laura to let her know I'm interested doing
this

On 22 February 2012 18:14, JJ Harrison  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Gnangarra (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra) was active
> recently on Commons. He might be your best bet in the absence of anyone
> else that way.
>
>
> 
>
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>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Laura Hale [mailto:la...@fanhistory.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 February 2012 9:37 PM
> *To:* memb...@wikimedia.org.au; Wikimedia-au
> *Cc:* gnanga...@gmail.com
> *Subject:* [wmau:members] W2G: Western Australian picture opportunity
>
> ** **
>
> Hi,
>
> ** **
>
> I was at the Australia women's national water polo team test match against
> Great Britain this evening.  (We won! Yay!)  I got an opportunity to talk
> to one of the Paralympic swimming coaches based at the Australian Institute
> of Sport.  He was talking about how there are three Western Australian
> swimmers probably going to the Paralympics.  One is a sixteen year old who
> he believes will probably medal in London, and go on to compete in at least
> the next two Paralympics she is that good.
>
> ** **
>
> He said we should be able to easily set it up so a Wikimedian can attend a
> swimming practice, and take pictures of these future Paralympians who will
> be probably be going to London.  Based on our conversation, I think there
> is also probably an opportunity to interview the sixteen year old for
> Wikinews to get the Wikinews component done.  (
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Interview_highlights example
> interviews on Wikinews.)  
>
> ** **
>
> If you're in Western Australia and might be interested in taking pictures,
> please get in touch.  As this is not around an event, should be a great
> deal more flexibility in time.  I'm not certain of what pool they train in,
> and can find that if some one is seriously interested. :)
>
> ** **
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Laura Hale
> 
>
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[Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia Takes Perth Foreshore

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HI Everybody

As some of know from the IRC meeting on Sunday we are oganising a WikiTake
Perth 
Foreshoreon
the 18th March everyone is welcome if you have friends in the Perth
area
encourage them to come along I have create a Facebook
eventfor the day
please share that with your friend lists

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[Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia Takes Perth Foreshore

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HI Everybody

As some of know from the IRC meeting on Sunday we are oganising a WikiTake
Perth 
Foreshoreon
the 18th March everyone is welcome if you have friends in the Perth
area
encourage them to come along I have create a Facebook
eventfor the day
please share that with your friend lists

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Need a photographer in Canberra for Saturday

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I could,  looking at flights the earliest I could be there is 930am on the
saturday

On 21 March 2012 07:25, Laura Hale  wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I've got permission to take team photographs like I did with the women's
> water polo team for the women's national softball team.  I've got all the
> articles for the current roster prepped to take to DYK once I move them to
> the main name space.  I've written two and a half Wikinews articles about
> games leading up to their test series against Japan at
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Japanese_national_team_beats_ACT_softball_team,
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Japanese_national_team_decisively_beats_ACT_10-0_in_four_innings,
>  and
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Adam_Folkard_and_Nick_Norton_ready_for_more_men%27s_softball
> .
>
> If anyone who is a good photographer with a good camera can be in Canberra
> for Saturday to help me take pictures, that would be fantastic.  The help
> is appreciated. :) I can take pictures myself if push comes to shove  but
> I'd prefer some one with a bit more experience. :)  The pictures I've taken
> can be found at
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hawker_International_Softball_Centreand
>  yeah.
>
> If there are any photographers with experience taking pictures and
> uploading to commons, the help is appreciated. :)
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[Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Wiki Loves Monuments] State of the Monuments - March 2012

[Gnangarra]

In case anyone hasnt seen doent know,


-- Forwarded message --
From: Samuel Klein 
Date: 26 March 2012 01:55
Subject: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Wiki Loves Monuments] State of the Monuments -
March 2012
To: Wikimedia Commons 
Cc: WM cultural partners coordination 


If you love monuments, love friends/relatives/wikis who love
monuments, or are just curious: join the Wiki Loves Monuments  mailing
list and maybe even get involved with this year's celebration and
contest.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline

SJ

-- Forwarded message --

Hi all,

just forwarding this once - don't worry, won't do it again. But just
to let you know what you're missing out on if you're not on the Wiki
Loves Monuments mailinglist! You can subscribe through the link at the
bottom.

Best,
Lodewijk

-- Mensagem encaminhada --
De: Tomasz Kozłowski 
Data: 20 de Março de 2012 18:56
Assunto: [Wiki Loves Monuments] State of the Monuments - March 2012
Para: Wiki Loves Monuments 


Hi all,
as promised, here is our first monthly overview of the State of the
Monuments!

We have been working on the project for some time already, and here is a
small report on where we are and what is going on behind the scenes.
Please note that this might not be a complete overview -- if you have
any questions, don't hesitate to ask. And please see at the bottom of
this e-mail for some action points for all countries (and make our lives
easier)!

== International coordination team ==
This year, there's a team of (still) four people who are trying to
facilitate WLM internationally. Elke and Tomasz will join Lodewijk and
Maarten in trying to keep the troops together, and help the countries
share information and experiences and coordinate their work as
effectively as possible. All four have experience with organising Wiki
Loves Monuments at least for one year.

As Wiki Loves Monuments is growing each day, and there are some things
that even the most skilled volunteers cannot do (due to the lack of
time, willingness or motivation), during our meeting in Amsterdam in
December, we brought up the idea of a paid employee to help us organise
WLM 2012. This person will primarily help us to keep tasks timely and on
track.

We are now happy to announce that Wikimedia Deutschland have agreed to
host and fund an employee to help us facilitate the contest, and we will
be meeting with him/her very soon. More information on this will follow
in a fortnight, so please bear with us; and for now -- vielen Dank,
Wikimedia Deutschland!

Furthermore, we are still looking for a volunteer to join the
coordination team, and help take care of the international budget for
this year. Wiki Loves Monuments is fun, but the bigger it gets, the more
money we need -- and This Is Serious Business (unlike the meme). So, if
you'd like to take care of our budget, or you know a talented and
responsible person who has some experience with budget and finances (for
instance, your local Wikimedia treasurer), please contact any of us
off-the-list. A helping hand would be greatly appreciated!

== Countries ==
So far, over 25 countries indicated that they will participate, and 15
more have indicated interest in participating (see
<
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Participating_countries
>).
Several more countries have privately shown interest, so things are
definitely going in the right direction!

>From the international side, we are trying to help all new participating
countries set up the contest in their country as efficiently as
possible. Besides the obvious on-line help (like setting up mailing list
or OTRS queues), we can help you by giving real life workshops: Lodewijk
has already given a
successful workshop in the United Kingdom, and Tomasz will be travelling
to Ukraine and the Czech Republic this very weekend; Italy is to follow
soon. If you feel that a brainstorming meeting in your country with one
of us present would be helpful to sort some things out, please let us
know, and we'll try to help. We have some budget available to
accommodate in case your chapter has no funds.

Recently, we have also redesigned our progress page
(<
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Progress
>)
to suit the needs of so many countries, and would like you to update the
status of the preparations in your area. Keeping that page up-to-date
would ensure that we can always keep track of the goings-on in all
countries, and also give you some help when needed.

== Documentation ==
The lack of proper documentation was identified as one of main problems
of the previous edition of the contest. This year, we have started
working on the documentation from the very beginning (with Tomasz being
our docmeister); all of this is merely a work-in-progress, but we
currently have a few pages (re)written and ready to use:

* h

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creative Commons Australia update

[Gnangarra]

just one point below

On 13 June 2012 11:09, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Just a bit of an update on some of the things that Creative Commons
> Australia are up to that are related to Wikimedia...
>
> 1.
> A couple of weeks ago I believe it was Russavia who was asking about the
> Australian War Memorial (AWM) given commons was working out how to deal
> with many deletions of their content from Commons due to not being in the
> PD in the US -- due to URAA. I've had a bit of a chat and they're
> apparently having some internal meetings to re-investigate their stance on
> what they do when they own the relevant IP to content - and CC-BY is
> specifically on the table as an option. So that's great. Even so, It'll
> take a fair amount of time for any formal policy change to happen even if
> everything goes "our way". Watch this space... [these meetings are not 'in
> response to the URAA' but just conveniently timed].
>

I believe the decision on commons was incorrect as the URAA specifically
required that for copyright to be restored in the US that the artwork had
to be registered with in a specific period, I remember a case involving the
Bradman museum where they tried to enforce copyright on a work under URAA
and it was dismissed because they had failed to register the work during
the speficied period.

>
> 2.
> I'm in late-stage talks with the National Museum of Australia (NMA) to
> donate about 50 images of objects currently on display in their collection
> - CC-BY at 100pixels (and also hopefully a TIFF quality aerial shot of the
> museum itself). This will be their first foray into Creative Commons so I'm
> quite happy. They're currently just making sure all the metadata is ready,
> the captions are checked by the curators, and approval for this gets
> checked by various managers (given it's their first time using CC).
>
> 3.
> This Friday morning CC-Australia is hosting a general intro to the
> cultural sector (and anyone else really) about Creative Commons in
> Melbourne. http://creativecommons.org.au/ccmelb2012 Myself and some other
> folk are presenting. Feel free to register and come along if you're
> interested/able (though I think anyone on these lists is already very
> familiar with how CC works :-) ) Steven Z - would you be happy my sending
> any GLAMs your way who are interested in talking to a Wikimedian locally?
>
> 4.
> After this the CC team is meeting with Museum Victoria to help them over
> the line to adopt CC for their collection database and other parts of their
> IP. This discussion is about halfway between the AWM and the NMA in terms
> of its progress.
>
> 5.
> Last night I went to a public lecture hosted at UTS (Sydney) called "New
> Models for Copyright Law Reform" and run by the University of Melbourne
> http://www.ipria.org/events/seminar/2012/CopyrightLawReform/CopyrightReform.htmlThe
>  Chair of the proceedings was Jill McKeogh who is the commissioner of
> the forthcoming Australian Law Reform Commission's review of the Copyright
> Act. The presenters (Dan Hunter and Julian Thomas) spent a good proportion
> of their talks discussing how the Wikipedia Blackout against SOPA/PIPA was
> so influential and important. They also argued that the copyright lobby's
> insistence on 'commercial-incentives being the only justification for
> creators' was basically bollocks. You could practically hear the copyright
> maximalists in the room grinding their teeth (and they were all there -
> including reps. from AFACT, the various collecting societies, the Copyright
> Council...). I spoke briefly with Commissioner McKeogh afterwards and she
> said she was very interested in receiving submissions that are from
> organisations who are not the usual suspects [I'm paraphrasing, not
> quoting!].
> So... I highly recommend that Wikimedia Australia (perhaps in
> collaboration with others) make a submission when the call is published -
> which should be soon. http://www.alrc.gov.au/inquiries/copyright(although, 
> the review's ability to do anything will be limited by the scope
> the TPP and ACTA trade agreements
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/acta-tpp-limit-scope-of-copyright-review-339339620.htm-
>  the author of this article was also at the seminar). Personally, I'll be
> making a short, private submission focusing specifically on getting a
> statutory provision equivalent to the bridgeman v. corel precedent included
> in the Copyright Act.
>
> 6.
> Tomorrow myself and some other CC folks are meeting with the ABC in Sydney
> to followup on the donation a few months ago of those 20 videos
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Files_from_the_Australian_Broadcasting_CorporationWe're
>  presenting metrics on use etc. and seeing what "stage 2" might look
> like.
>
> 7.
> Finally, I was invited to speak a couple of weeks ago at the State Library
> of NSW's hosting of the State reference librarian's networking group
> meeting
> http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/public_libraries/networking/index.ht

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creative Commons Australia update

[Gnangarra]

On 13 June 2012 21:27, Gnangarra  wrote:

> just one point below
>
> On 13 June 2012 11:09, Liam Wyatt  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just a bit of an update on some of the things that Creative Commons
>> Australia are up to that are related to Wikimedia...
>>
>> 1.
>> A couple of weeks ago I believe it was Russavia who was asking about the
>> Australian War Memorial (AWM) given commons was working out how to deal
>> with many deletions of their content from Commons due to not being in the
>> PD in the US -- due to URAA. I've had a bit of a chat and they're
>> apparently having some internal meetings to re-investigate their stance on
>> what they do when they own the relevant IP to content - and CC-BY is
>> specifically on the table as an option. So that's great. Even so, It'll
>> take a fair amount of time for any formal policy change to happen even if
>> everything goes "our way". Watch this space... [these meetings are not 'in
>> response to the URAA' but just conveniently timed].
>>
>
> I believe the decision on commons was incorrect as the URAA specifically
> required that for copyright to be restored in the US that the artwork had
> to be registered with in a specific period, I remember a case involving the
> Bradman museum where they tried to enforce copyright on a work under URAA
> and it was dismissed because they had failed to register the work during
> the speficied period. I have also reviewed the dtatbase of restored work
> can couldnt see any apparent Australian images, though are a significant
> number of musical pieces
>
>>
>> 2.
>> I'm in late-stage talks with the National Museum of Australia (NMA) to
>> donate about 50 images of objects currently on display in their collection
>> - CC-BY at 100pixels (and also hopefully a TIFF quality aerial shot of the
>> museum itself). This will be their first foray into Creative Commons so I'm
>> quite happy. They're currently just making sure all the metadata is ready,
>> the captions are checked by the curators, and approval for this gets
>> checked by various managers (given it's their first time using CC).
>>
>> 3.
>> This Friday morning CC-Australia is hosting a general intro to the
>> cultural sector (and anyone else really) about Creative Commons in
>> Melbourne. http://creativecommons.org.au/ccmelb2012 Myself and some
>> other folk are presenting. Feel free to register and come along if you're
>> interested/able (though I think anyone on these lists is already very
>> familiar with how CC works :-) ) Steven Z - would you be happy my sending
>> any GLAMs your way who are interested in talking to a Wikimedian locally?
>>
>> 4.
>> After this the CC team is meeting with Museum Victoria to help them over
>> the line to adopt CC for their collection database and other parts of their
>> IP. This discussion is about halfway between the AWM and the NMA in terms
>> of its progress.
>>
>> 5.
>> Last night I went to a public lecture hosted at UTS (Sydney) called "New
>> Models for Copyright Law Reform" and run by the University of Melbourne
>> http://www.ipria.org/events/seminar/2012/CopyrightLawReform/CopyrightReform.htmlThe
>>  Chair of the proceedings was Jill McKeogh who is the commissioner of
>> the forthcoming Australian Law Reform Commission's review of the Copyright
>> Act. The presenters (Dan Hunter and Julian Thomas) spent a good proportion
>> of their talks discussing how the Wikipedia Blackout against SOPA/PIPA was
>> so influential and important. They also argued that the copyright lobby's
>> insistence on 'commercial-incentives being the only justification for
>> creators' was basically bollocks. You could practically hear the copyright
>> maximalists in the room grinding their teeth (and they were all there -
>> including reps. from AFACT, the various collecting societies, the Copyright
>> Council...). I spoke briefly with Commissioner McKeogh afterwards and she
>> said she was very interested in receiving submissions that are from
>> organisations who are not the usual suspects [I'm paraphrasing, not
>> quoting!].
>> So... I highly recommend that Wikimedia Australia (perhaps in
>> collaboration with others) make a submission when the call is published -
>> which should be soon. http://www.alrc.gov.au/inquiries/copyright(although, 
>> the review's ability to do anything will be limited by the scope
>> the TPP and ACTA trade agreements
>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/acta-tpp-limit-scope-of-copyright-review-339339620.htm-

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Open WMAU discussion on IRC, Sunday 1st July - today at 17:00 hours (AEST)

[Gnangarra]

will try but 1500(wst) is a pain, whats on the agenda for today,?

On 1 July 2012 10:00, Ms. Anne Frazer  wrote:

> **
>  Hello one and all,
> Wikimedia Australia's monthly public meeting is again on IRC channel
> today, Sunday 1st July, and will be commencing around 17:00 hours (AEST);
> 5pm.
>
> Please come along and with the Committee participate in the conversation.
> The Chapter's IRC channel is 'Wikimedia-au' via the following link:
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/IRC
>
> Just a reminder that the transcript of the discussion will be posted on
> the Wikimedia Australia website via the following link:
> http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetings
>
> *and a gentle reminder to WMAU members reading this notice > have
> you taken a moment to renew your membership? as membership renewals can be
> paid now*
>
> Thank you,
> Anne Frazer
> Secretary
> Wikimedia Australia
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Expression of support for Dictionary of Sydney from Wikimedia Australia

[Gnangarra]

Congratulations to Dictionary of Sydney 20 minutes ago they posted on
facebook  that they have
secured continued funding from the City of Sydney Council

On 29 July 2012 11:26, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> Dear City of Sydney CEO Monica Barone,
>
> On behalf of Wikimedia Australia, I write to express our concern about
> the imminent closure of the Dictionary of Sydney due to the City of
> Sydney's delays in releasing sponsorship funds.
>
> Wikimedia Australia is an independent, not-for-profit organisation,
> officially recognised as a national Chapter of the Wikimedia movement
> - the volunteer community behind Wikipedia and other online
> educational resources. We would like to express our support for the
> Dictionary of Sydney project not only for the quality content that it
> has produced but also for the globally pioneering role it has played
> in its use of free-licensing. The Dictionary of Sydney provides the
> vast majority of its content with a "Creative Commons" copyright
> license that ensures the material can be used by third parties under
> very open terms. This is considered world's best practice and is
> consistent with the principles espoused by the "Open Educational
> Resources" and "Open Source Software" communities globally. It should
> be noted that the official State history project of Minnesota in the
> USA, entitled "MNOpedia" http://www.mnopedia.org/ has used the
> Dictionary of Sydney as the inspiration for their comparable copyright
> policy.
>
> The strong stance of the Dictionary of Sydney on open access and
> collaboration with historians both locally and further afield has
> ensured that the content it has created is both legally and
> practically compatible with Wikipedia, the world's fifth most visited
> website. As a result, many of the Dictionary's articles about
> important people, places and events have been integrated into
> Wikipedia, including but not limited to:
>
> "Florence Violet McKenzie"
> (Australia's first female electrical engineer:
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Violet_McKenzie )
>
> "Glebe Island"
> (a crucial part of Sydney's economy for centuries:
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glebe_Island_%28New_South_Wales%29 )
>
> "Sydney Artists' Camps"
> (one of the most significant art movements in Australia's history:
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_artists%27_camps )
>
> We draw your attention to the comprehensive acknowledgement of the
> Dictionary of Sydney at the bottom of each Wikipedia article that uses
> Dictionary material as the source of its content. Without the
> Dictionary of Sydney, and without its pioneering efforts in open
> access, this content simply would not have been available to the
> online encyclopaedia and its wider audience. It would be a great shame
> to see this outstanding collaborative digital history project fold.
>
> Wikimedia Australia urges the City of Sydney to ensure the continued
> funding and support for this project, without which the global
> appreciation of Sydney's history would be very much poorer.
>
> If you would like to contact Wikimedia Australia or one of our Sydney
> based members for further information on this or related matters we
> would welcome your enquiry.
>
> Sincerely,
> John Vandenberg
> President,
> Wikimedia Australia
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Request for media contact - Sydney Wikipedian

[Gnangarra]

saw it earlier but as I'm not in Sydney I suggested he contact WMAU

On 30 July 2012 18:12, Robert Myers  wrote:

>  Noticed it as well. Not in Sydney and well Not that talkative.
> Ruled me out. ;)
>
>
> On 30/07/2012 8:05 PM, Charles Gregory wrote:
>
> Sorry - didn't realised this bounced earlier due to me sending from the
> wrong address!
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:28:10 +1000
> Subject: Request for media contact - Sydney Wikipedian
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I noticed this pop up on twitter this morning:
>
> https://twitter.com/matthewbevan/status/229763424983343104
>
> Is anyone interested?
>
> Regards,
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] AUSPIN 2012: Sharing Wikimedia work with the Australian sports sector

[Gnangarra]

Yuo guys did a wonderful job both in reporting from the games and getting
the event off the ground, hopefully it'll lead to more opportunities

On 19 September 2012 18:00, Laura Hale  wrote:

> Earlier today, Australian contributor Gregory Blood and myself both gave
> presentations about our Wikimedia work for the Olympics, Paralympics and
> women's sport at AUSPIN 2012, a conference affiliated with
> http://www.ausport.gov.au/information/nsic/memberships#AUSPIN the
> Australian Sports Information Network held at the Australian Institute of
> Sport.  The conference included a representative from Kate Lundy's Ministry
> for Sport office.  Lundy had mentioned the HOPAU project in Parliament,
> with this being recorded in Hansard.  The conference was attended by a
> information providers from the Australian sport sector, such as state
> government sport departments, and sport libraries and research centres.  It
> was a great opportunity to explain how fantastic the HOPAU program has
> been, and how Wikipedia works.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Two Kay Nesbits, not on en

[Gnangarra]

Awesome pick up Chris there a probably a few article were other language
versions exist but en.wp doesnt have them, one cause can be that it was
created on en but was deleted, or that a person wirting another article
de.wp had a reason to create this stub but that editor doesnt speak english
so didnt create one there.

Really this question should be ask at en.wp on the Australian Wikipedians
notice board  you'll find
it'll interest a few more people there



On 15 November 2012 12:54, Chris Watkins wrote:

>  Not meaning to make a fuss - I just thought this was odd enough for
> comment, and Laura will probably be interested:
>
> The Australian badminton player Kay Nesbit is on de:
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Nesbit - but there's no article on en
> for her.
>
> Translated by Google:
>
> Mary Kay Nesbit (* around 1945, Kay married Terry) is an Australian badminton
> player.
>
> Career
>
> Kay Nesbit won from 1964 to 1968 five times in a row at the Australian
> Championships in women's singles. Further, she won four titles in doubles, 
> another
> two in mixed doubles. For Australia, it started in 1963, 1965 and 1969 at
> the Whyte Trophy and 1966 and 1970 at the British Commonwealth Games.
> credentials
>
>  Annual Handbook of the International Badminton Federation, London, 28
> Edition, 1970, pp. 110-112
>
>
>
> I actually found it by looking for the other Kay Nesbit, the Australian
> woman who survived a shotgun attack in 1985. Also not on en, so I made a
> userspace draft: Kay 
> Nesbit
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia Indigenous Languages

[Gnangarra]

Thanks JP sounds interesting the time in Australia will be

0700 on 26th in NSW, Vic, Tas
0630 on 26th in SA
0600 on 26th in Qld
0400 on 26th in WA

On 17 November 2012 08:32, JP Béland  wrote:

> The meeting will be held on Sunday, 25 November, 2000 UTC, on IRC on the
> #wikimedia-incubator channel.
>
> Everybody is welcomed.
>
> Thanks,
> JP
>
> 2012/11/1 JP Béland 
>
>> Good day,
>>
>> For those who may not be aware, Wikimedia Indigenous Languages (WIL)
>> is an international body aiming to coordinate and support the efforts
>> to develop Wikimedia projects in small and endangered languages, or
>> any languages under-represented on Wikimedia.
>>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WIL
>>
>> Wikimedia Indigenous Languages will hold its second meeting on IRC in
>> mid-November. I know nobody from Australia could attend the last one
>> because of time differences despite having people interested. I would
>> really like to get input from WMAU on activities and projects to
>> develop the Wikipedias in Pacific languages. So, if you are involve in
>> those projects or interested, please see the talk page (link below)
>> and comment on timings that would work for you.
>>
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Indigenous_Languages
>>
>> If you have questions about WIL, don't hesitate to contact me or ask
>> directly on this mailing list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JP Beland, aka Amqui
>>
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[Wikimediaau-l] Freopedia

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HI Everybody

We've been working hard at getting articles ready for Freopedia, and we'll
back at it at the Fremantle library tonight, next tuesday culminating on
Saturday 1st December with an editathon from 12:30 - 1700. What is
Freopedia its an endeavour of The Fremantle Society and Wikimedia Australia
to initially put QR codes on the 182 locations in the Fremantle area that
are listed in on National and State heritage registers, of those locations
160 are within the main townsite precinct making the Fremantle the best
preserved c1900 port city in Australia. So what can you do to help, since
you live in Tasmania its long drive with a bit of swim to get to Fremantle.
Many of the people who'll attend on the Saturday will be first time editors
and as unable to ccreate article so we stub articles created, we people to
add infoboxes to articles, people to copy edit, add categories and all
those other general fixes, but wait, theres more with all the  buildings
having online register entries and the many resources linked through Trove
you can also write articles. Just add your name to the Freopedia page so we
know your helping out.

Links;

   - Freopedia page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Freopedia,
   remeber to add your name to the participants list
   - List of buildings -
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heritage_places_in_Fremantle
   - Trove - http://trove.nla.gov.au/

Looking forward to seeing people in person or online


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] pre-proposal proposal

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>From memory one of the orignal reasons for putting a restriction in place
was there is unlikely to be sufficient ongoing monitoring to enable a free
for all access by restricting editing to known accounts ie known people
limited such issues. As the wiki is for WMAU to work on WMAU activities
there wouldnt be any need for an open access "any one can edit" process
without the person first being known/identified to the committee anyway.

On 29 November 2012 12:16, Peter Musings  wrote:

> If we start to get edits on the chapter wiki which would be more
> appropriate for another project, it'd be nice to engage a little with these
> people, I think, it's an appropriate role for the chapter, I reckon.
>
> Seems to me that even the relatively low bar of having to request an
> account isn't ideal - would a commitment to general wiki maintenance on my
> part encourage you to 2nd the proposal, Mark? (I don't think a 2nd really
> needs much more than a willingness to give it a go - it needn't be too big
> a deal.)
>
> best,
>
> Peter.,
> PM.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Mark Hurd  wrote:
>
>> The current situation is almost the "free for all" you request, except
>> that 99% of the non-spam requests are really for editing Wikipedia,
>> not Wikimedia Australia.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)
>>
>>
>> On 29 November 2012 12:39, Peter Musings  wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Here's a pre-proposal proposal for a modest change to the WMAU wiki -
>> I'd
>> > like to suggest a trial of completely open registrations - ie. allow
>> anyone
>> > so inclined to create an account without any approval required, and edit
>> > away.
>> >
>> > Perhaps editing of the homepage, and associated templates is restricted
>> in
>> > some way, but other than that, I can't think of many arguments against
>> that
>> > add up to us not giving it a go - in short, if it's horrible, we can
>> just
>> > return to the current setup.
>> >
>> > If you're a member, and you'd like to remove the 'pre' from this
>> proposal,
>> > please indicate whether or not you'd be willing to 'second' it;
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/User:Privatemusings/Open_Wiki#Open_Wiki
>> >
>> > Thanks All :-)
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wma-comm] Re: Outstanding grant request

[Gnangarra]

Just noting the minutes 23rd October
http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_%282012-10-23%29#Olympic.2FParalympic_travel_proposal

On 4 December 2012 00:04, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> Laura,
>
> It is your proposal; you should publish it yourself.
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposals_process
>
> John Vandenberg.
> sent from Galaxy Note
> On Dec 3, 2012 10:56 PM, "Laura Hale"  wrote:
>
>> The committee was sent it.  WE've been sending follow up e-mails pretty
>> reguarly and have not gotten a response.
>>
>> I'm sure the board can share details.  We were promised the money by
>> Craig.  I can tell you, that unlike the ARC research linkage grant, there
>> are no commercial aspects to it and it goes directly to supporting the
>> Foundation's mission. We are supporting on and building on the fantastic
>> work that was done in London.
>>
>> On Monday, December 3, 2012, Liam Wyatt wrote:
>>
>>> For those of us not on the committee (neither this year nor last year),
>>> could you point us to the text of the grant request you're referring to?
>>> I'm assuming it's public given that you've cc'd both the general Australia
>>> list and the Chapter members' list.
>>>
>>> -Liam
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 December 2012 15:12, Laura Hale  wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I appreciate the current committee's new energy. We have a grant
 request dating to early October that Craig told us we had that we told the
 foundation about how great wm-au's support of the Paralympics has been.

 We're still waiting on this. It is really important because we believed
 the board member who told us we had it and acted accordingly in terms of
 spending. Did I mention, we've currently done almost everything we said we
 would do for that grant by now?

 Hopefully, the new board can be more responsive than the previous ones.
 If the board has contacted me about this in the past four weeks , I have
 not received the email. Please continue to follow up with me until you get
 a response as I said in a precious email a board member sent me about this
 before the elections, I have not received them. This is really, really
 important.

 Sincerely,
 Laura Hale



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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WWI edit-a-thons

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looks interesting, usual suspects meetup at AWM [?]

definately something we could be encouraging.


On 4 December 2012 13:38, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_edit-a-thons
>
> John Vandenberg.
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[Wikimediaau-l] Foundation Blog post

[Gnangarra]

Foundation blog post about an Australian Wikimedian with a Wikimedia
Commons/Photographic theme
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/12/14/the-impact-of-wikipedia-gideon-digby/

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] large collection of historic Australian photos found by UK archives

[Gnangarra]

"Unknown copyright restrictions" would not necessarily translate as
PD-Australia, you'd have assess each image and see whether its meets the
conditions on that template.

 *A*  Photographs or other works published anonymously, under a pseudonym
or the creator is unknown: taken or published prior to *1 January 1955*   *B
*  Photographs (except A): taken prior to *1 January 1955*   *C*  Artistic
works (except A & B): the creator died before *1 January 1955*   *D*  Published
editions1 (except A & B): first published more than 25 years ago   *E*
 Commonwealth
or State government owned2 photographs and engravings: taken or published
more than 50 years ago and prior to *1 May 1969*


starting at point A if meets that then its ok, if not then does it meet
point B,

In general never assume with copyright, if you dont know enough information
then it cant be used.  Commons has the precautionary principle that you
need to be aware of because it sinks these type of licensing guesses every
time if you cant provide sufficient proof for the choice of license.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Precautionary_principle



On 31 January 2013 12:39, Kerry Raymond  wrote:

>  Read the story here:
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/blog/in-flickrs-page-let-every-stage-advance-australia-fair/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> See the images here:
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk/blog/in-flickrs-page-let-every-stage-advance-australia-fair/
> 
>
> ** **
>
> I notice that all the ones I have looked at are labelled “no known
> copyright restrictions”. Would that translate to {{PD-Australia}} for
> uploading to Commons?
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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[Wikimediaau-l] Freopedia

[Gnangarra]

HI Everybody

Freopedia has been progressing slowly along over the summer months, for
those havent yet heard of
Freopedia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Freopedia>its a
project supported by the Fremantle Society, Wikimedia Australia, The
Wikimedia Foundation and City of Fremantle to QR code places of interest
within the Fremantle area.  We are now at the point of selecting articles
for the first round of QR coded plaques to be created. We need help from
Wikipedians to review the selected articles checking them against policies
most importantly naming conventions once the plaques are created we'd
prefer not to have articles renamed, merged or deleted. Also can you add
these articles to your watchlists for the obvious reasons

the selected articles are wiki-linked at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Freopedia/Articles

if you have any comments about articles please leave them on the talk page
of the article, if you have general questions about Freopedia please email
me.

Thanks
Gnangarra

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: Wikimedia Australia public meeting

[Gnangarra]

WA 2pm on a sunday afternoon in the middle of a long weekend, not really
practical. Hopefully once Vic, NSW SA and TAS go off daylight saving the
committee will hold one of these at say 6pm wst, 8pm est.

On 3 March 2013 20:52, Chris Watkins  wrote:

>
> On 3 March 2013 14:46, Tony Souter  wrote:
>
>> Could there be more notice? And an agenda topic or two might attract more
>> members into participating. Items don't have to be billed as occupying the
>> meeting exclusively.
>>
>
> Agreed - I appreciate the work done by the organizers, but I reckon more
> notice and topics would get more of us to join in.
>
> I have the meetings as a recurring event in my calendar, but something
> always distracts me... if I knew what was going to be discussed, I'm sure
> I'd be more likely to remember to actually log on.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Wikipedian in Residence

[Gnangarra]

great news,

On 22 March 2013 15:31, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> As someone who has been working with Whiteghost.ink in the GLAM space in
> Sydney, with the SLNSW specifically, and in a wide variety of other
> ways for many years, I am extremely happy and proud of this announcement!
> In a way it is the payoff from having the first ever GLAM-Wiki conference
> in Canberra back in 2009 (that's my claim at least!)
>
> I'm not forgetting the great work with WiR that has happened in other
> libraries around the world, significant ongoing collaboration projects with
> other libraries in Australia, and Wikimedia Australia's ongoin
> relationship with the Paralympic commission (including the associated WiR
> there). However, being a Sydneysider whose first love is History means
> that I have a strong affinity for the Library, its collections and its
> cultural status. So, it is fantastic that across the whole country it
> should be the first GLAM to have a Wikipedian-in-Residence in the country!
>
> Congratulations :-)
>
> Liam / Wittylama
>
> On Friday, 22 March 2013, G. White wrote:
>
>> Dear Australian Wikimedian and Cultural Partnerships teams,
>>
>> I'm extremely pleased to announce that this week I started as
>> Wikipedian-in-Residence at the State Library of New South Wales 
>> (SLNSW),
>> which is our oldest library and has a collection of global importance,
>> including significant rare books, manuscripts and objects. It is a place to
>> which almost every Australian scholar would pay homage. This is the first
>> time there has been a Wikipedian-in-Residence in an Australian cultural
>> institution and it has it has taken some time to work through the
>> administrative processes to establish the position. As some of you know,
>> Wikimedia Australia has been doing a lot of work with libraries locally.
>> Most recently we were the major sponsors at the annual librarians
>> conference and over the last couple of years we have been travelling to
>> regional areas to deliver training to the local librarians (in partnership
>> with several of the State Libraries). SLNSW also has a partnership with the
>> National Library in Canberra, which is digitising Australian newspapers and
>> linking the records back to the respective Wikipedia articles 
>> (example).
>> Most significantly is that the SLNSW has been been building up a strong
>> relationship with us recently and myself and other local Wikimedians have
>> been delivered several training workshops to an in-house team of
>> librarians who are contributing references and content to Wikipedia as part
>> of their day-to-day work (project 
>> page).
>> You can see there that a lot of the content we've been targeting for the
>> team to write is the articles about the newspapers that have now been
>> digitised.
>>
>> My WiR position reports to the Leader of the library's Innovation Project
>> (Mylee Joseph, cc'd here), who is the instigator of that team. Since my
>> term as WiR is for one day a week over 14 weeks, and the scope of work is
>> excitingly ambitious, it is this team that will make it possible to achieve
>> what one part time Resident could not. They are a keen and capable group.
>> The Residency has been established to provide training, coaching, guidance,
>> specialist advice to staff, evaluation of related projects as well as
>> assistance with process mapping and benchmarking so that other Australian
>> libraries can benefit from SLNSW's experience. In terms of content, as well
>> as the newspapers, my Residency is likely to be involved in work on
>> articles on the The 100 Objects 
>> Exhibition,
>> indigenous and original materials, convict women, convict artists, the
>> crossing of the Blue 
>> Mountainsand
>>  Australia's involvement in World War I.
>>
>> I am glad this group has paved the way and am very excited about the
>> possibilities before us! I will post updates here and in the "This Month in
>> GLAM" report. I will also probably come here to ask questions and seek
>> feedback and help. I hope that the process mapping and benchmarking would
>> also be useful to similar projects elsewhere.
>>
>> Whiteghost.ink
>>
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[Wikimediaau-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Australia 2013

[Gnangarra]

I have started by creating the organisation page on Commons, as per the
diascussion on IRC last night the focus will be on War Memorials around
Australia, there are known to be in excess of 6000 of them ;

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_Australia

resource at; http://www.msk.id.au/memorials2/default.htm lists most of them
and has described 1000 of them in detail including photographs, the search
engine there will help you find those within your region.

Gnangarra

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[Wikimediaau-l] GovHack

[Gnangarra]

Might be an opportunity for some people to make new contacts, get involve
increase free content access

http://www.govhack.org/

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [---] Australian Census Data Released Under CC License, But Official Site Tries To Make It Hard To Download

[Gnangarra]

be interesting discussion as to whether WMAu could get someone create a bot
to download/publish the full database to Wikisource since its all CC and
have the bot update the population data on Wikidata...

If anything WMAU could even approach the ABS and consider someway of
hosting the highuse information on Wikisource and thus reduce some of the
ABS costs in maintaining the public interface

On 26 April 2013 19:28, Nick Dowling  wrote:

> It would be worth considering whether the ABS is actually funded to
> provide the IT infrastructure and staff time needed to set up and maintain
> arrangements to allow people to download the entire Census dataset (which I
> suspect would be a fairly unusual requirement). In my experience ABS staff
> are pretty keen to have people use their data - the problem is that they're
> permanently short of money for non-essential tasks and need to cover at
> least some of their costs for non-core business as they're not funded for
> it.
>
> Regards,
> Nick
>
> > From: p858sn...@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:34:17 +1000
> > To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [---] Australian Census Data Released
> Under CC License, But Official Site Tries To Make It Hard To Download
>
> >
> > From a private list I'm on, Thought some of you guys may be interested
> >
> > -- Forwarded message --
> > From: MW <---@gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM
> > Subject: [---] Australian Census Data Released Under CC License, But
> > Official Site Tries To Make It Hard To Download
> > To: --- <--->
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130421/02575922789/australian-census-data-released-under-cc-license-official-site-tries-to-make-it-hard-to-download.shtml
> > >
> > > by Glyn Moody
> > >
> > > Mon, Apr 22nd 2013 8:09pm
> > >
> > > The whole point about adopting Creative Commons licenses is to make it
> easier for people to share and use works released under them. Sometimes,
> though, you get the impression that certain organizations adopting these
> licenses would rather that didn't happen, as in the following case from
> Australia, reported by IT News:
> > >
> > > The Australian Bureau of Statistics has released the latest census
> data for free under a Creative Commons license but appears to be steering
> people towards a $250 mailed out DVD rather than making it easy to download
> the information directly over the internet.
> > >
> > > Programmer and freelance journalist Grahame Bowland who first noticed
> it, said the government agency is going to great lengths to discourage
> people from downloading the files directly by dint of a convoluted site
> layout and Javascript functions that obfuscate file paths.
> > >
> > > The post then goes on to describe in detail some of the attempts to
> make it difficult to download all of the census data, including a
> hard-to-find registration page, a complex matrix of download options, and
> Javascript code that does stuff like this:
> > >
> > > // Function: guidGenerator
> > >
> > >
> > > // Description:returns a pseudo-random GUID
> > >
> > >
> > > //This is appended to a url for 2 reasons
> > >
> > >
> > > //1. to make the URL unique, so that the browser always gets it and
> doesn't use a cached version
> > >
> > >
> > > //2. to make a URL look like its got a unique key, in a naive attempt
> to fool a not-so-wily hacker
> > >
> > >
> > > //into thinking they can't download a datapack directly if they know
> the URL pattern, because they
> > >
> > >
> > > //need a unique key.
> > >
> > > Notice how anyone who might want to download datapacks directly is
> branded a hacker. That's a worrying attitude, since it seems to equate
> people who want to take advantage of the CC license to explore the census
> without jumping through the site's hoops as shady subversives (I doubt the
> comment used the term "hacker" in its more positive sense).
> > >
> > > As the IT News story suggests, the motivation for this obfuscation
> seems to be to encourage people to pay AU $250 (about US $257) for the DVD
> version instead. To save others from having to deal with the unhelpful Web
> site, Bowland generously stumped up the $250 himself, and made the full
> census database freely available as a torrent, as is perfectly legal under
> the CC-BY license. This shows perfectly why it is pointless trying to make
> it hard for people to download content that is CC licensed: once anyone has
> obtained a copy, they can then make it available in a more convenient form,
> neatly by-passing forlorn attempts to control something that has been set
> free forever.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Most controversial articles on Wikipedia

[Gnangarra]

But the formula used is flawed as it looks only at 100% reverts of edits,
gives weight to those which occur multiple times so what its identifies is
not necessarily the most controversial but the most vandalised articles

On 9 June 2013 06:42, Brian Salter-Duke  wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 08:06:17AM +1000, Kerry Raymond wrote:
> > There has been an Hungarian research project into identifying
> controversial
> > articles in Wikipedia, based on the history of reversions and edit wars.
> > They have a website:
> >
> > http://wwm.phy.bme.hu/
> >
> > with their datasets, programs, papers, etc. But the bit you are probably
> > most itching to see "the top 100 controversial articles in English"
> (ranked
> > from most controversial down) is:
> >
> > http://wwm.phy.bme.hu/Top100/top100_en_wiki.txt
> >
> > with good ol' "George W. Bush" heading up the list.
>
> Interesting also that John Howard seems to be the only Australian entry.
>
> Brian.
>
> > If you want to know more about the methodology or see the top 10 across
> 10
> > languages (article titles translating in English for your viewing
> pleasure
> > where a corresponding English article is available to provide a
> translated
> > title), you can access the PDF for the paper via:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://ssrn.com/abstract=2269392
> >
> >
> >
> > There is also this nifty real-time visualisation you can view (and play
> > with) which enables you understand the relative controversial nature
> across
> > up to 4 languages. It seems "Jesus" and "Homeopathy" are the most
> > controversial across English, French, German and Spanish, while "George W
> > Bush" is as controversial for English-speakers as "Falkland Islands" is
> for
> > Spanish speakers and "Croatia" is for German speakers - the French
> meanwhile
> > are fighting over the untranslatable "Segolene Royal" (for which no
> > corresponding article exists on en.WP  -- can any French speaker assist
> with
> > the translation?).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://comminfo.rutgers.edu/~aspoerri/searchCrystal/searchCrystal_editWars_A
> > LL.html
> >
> >
> >
> > which is mentioned in the paper above but does not appear to be linked
> from
> > the website.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a "Tour" link in the top left hand corner if you want to know
> how
> > to drive the visualisation. It looks like hours of fun!
> >
> >
> >
> > Kerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] RE: Most controversial articles on Wikipedia

[Gnangarra]

where x reverts y y reverts x is a common action with vandalism, its also
persistent and occurs multiple times, the most controversial articles are
the ones which require ARBCOM controls/sanctions. The GW Bush article is
one that I've watched for many years, yes there have been content issues
but the majority of repetitive actions are of the vandalism type with
hate/nonsense messages from throw away accounts many of these go thru the
3-5 edit revert cycles before the problem is dealt with.

On 9 June 2013 08:58, Kerry Raymond  wrote:

>  The paper goes into the methodology in some detail but it is the history
> of “mutual reversions” (where two editors are involved, X reverts Y and Y
> reverts X) that is used for precisely the reasons you mention.
>
> ** **
>
> “The sum is taken over mutual reverts rather than single reverts because
> reverting is very much part of the normal workflow, especially for
> defending articles from vandalism.”
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* Kerry Raymond [mailto:kerry.raym...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 9 June 2013 8:06 AM
> *To:* 'WMAu members'; 'Wikimedia Australia Chapter'
> *Subject:* Most controversial articles on Wikipedia
>
> ** **
>
> There has been an Hungarian research project into identifying
> controversial articles in Wikipedia, based on the history of reversions and
> edit wars. They have a website:
>
> ** **
>
> http://wwm.phy.bme.hu/
>
> ** **
>
> with their datasets, programs, papers, etc. But the bit you are probably
> most itching to see “the top 100 controversial articles in English” (ranked
> from most controversial down) is:
>
> ** **
>
> http://wwm.phy.bme.hu/Top100/top100_en_wiki.txt
>
> ** **
>
> with good ol’ “George W. Bush” heading up the list. 
>
> ** **
>
> If you want to know more about the methodology or see the top 10 across 10
> languages (article titles translating in English for your viewing pleasure
> where a corresponding English article is available to provide a translated
> title), you can access the PDF for the paper via:
>
> ** **
>
> http://ssrn.com/abstract=2269392
>
> ** **
>
> There is also this nifty real-time visualisation you can view (and play
> with) which enables you understand the relative controversial nature across
> up to 4 languages. It seems “Jesus” and “Homeopathy” are the most
> controversial across English, French, German and Spanish, while “George W
> Bush” is as controversial for English-speakers as “Falkland Islands” is for
> Spanish speakers and “Croatia” is for German speakers – the French
> meanwhile are fighting over the untranslatable “Segolene Royal” (for which
> no corresponding article exists on en.WP  -- can any French speaker assist
> with the translation?). 
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://comminfo.rutgers.edu/~aspoerri/searchCrystal/searchCrystal_editWars_ALL.html
> 
>
> ** **
>
> which is mentioned in the paper above but does not appear to be linked
> from the website.
>
> ** **
>
> There is a “Tour” link in the top left hand corner if you want to know how
> to drive the visualisation. It looks like hours of fun!
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>



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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Full-time Wikipedian-in-Residence at National Library of Scotland

[Gnangarra]

They have already interviewed, a wikimedian from WA was in Edinburgh last
week being interviewed

On 21 June 2013 06:27, Kerry Raymond  wrote:

> ** **
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22264118
>
> ** **
>
> This is in collaboration with Wikimedia UK.
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] training session - Tuesday

[Gnangarra]

If that happens again note that there is a tab *edit source* that gives you
the normal editing screen

gideon.

On 27 June 2013 13:41, Kerry Raymond  wrote:

>  If anyone would like to help our newest editors and their nascent
> articles, please see the list here:
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/State_Library_of_Queensland#Southport
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Unfortunately, these new editors did not have a good experience of
> Wikipedia in the training session as many functions appeared not to work
> correctly, the user interface was all messed up, etc. It turned out that it
> had been decided to run A/B testing of the new Visual Editor on 50% of
> newly registered users, meaning that (unbeknownst to all present) quite a
> number of the class were probably not using the same editor as used in the
> preparation of the presentation and the printed manuals prepared by State
> Library of Queensland. It was a bewildering experience for us all,
> particularly as it appears that the Visual Editor does not have citation
> templates working yet. 
>
> ** **
>
> So, some friendly help with their articles and maybe some “Wiki Love”
> (that new heart button on the User page) might help to recover a rather
> disappointing experience for these new editors.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] training session - Tuesday

[Gnangarra]

If they dont edit mainspace they are likely get the original editor, I've
been beta testing for a week and really arent all that impressed, some it
is to do with the me adjusting to using the Visual editor but its also
difficult to do more than just typing, creating tables, wikilinking is
cumbersome and feels like a backwards step, and I havent added images yet.
If you are doing workshops you really need to switch to the visual editor
just start getting a feel for it because they are committed to changing
over to it

Gideon

On 28 June 2013 05:44, Kerry Raymond  wrote:

>  Yes, and I believe there is also a preferences setting in relation to
> the Visual Editor too (which probably allows you to turn it off). I believe
> there is also a preference to opt-out of any experimental feature testing
> more generally.
>
> ** **
>
> If I had known that the cause of the problem was the testing of the Visual
> Editor with half of the new user population, I probably may have thought of
> some solutions along these lines. But in the absence of any warning of such
> a thing happening, I just didn’t think of that possibility. Generally by
> the time the person put up their hand to say “it doesn’t work for me”, they
> were already in edit mode. It was only almost at the end of the workshop
> that I saw an “Edit” and an “Edit Source” tab side-by-side on someone’s
> screen and I realised that the VisualEditor must be involved (I was aware
> they had called for alpha testers, but obviously new editors would have
> been unlikely to have signed up for alpha testing). What made the situation
> quite confusing was that not all the class was affected  – in particular
> everything was working perfectly for a lady who had brought her own Mac
> laptop, which mislead me to suspect that the problem may have been related
> to some of library-supplied computers (they were very “locked-down” and
> only had Internet Explorer so I was suspecting it might be a “too old”
> version of IE or something like that).
>
> ** **
>
> But if anyone happens to be helping out a new user going forward, bear in
> mind there is probably a 50-50 chance that they are using the new Visual
> Editor as part of this trial (which I believe is ongoing – that is, more
> new editors are being added to the trial every day as they sign up). I
> wonder if they bothered to tell the TeaHouse about this? Also, if any of
> those new users goes searching for Help pages, will they be taken to Help
> pages for the Visual Editor or the regular ones? Do Help pages even exist
> for the Visual Editor yet? I don’t know what risk management strategies are
> in place, but my own experience suggests “probably not a lot”.
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 June 2013 8:13 PM
> *To:* kerry.raym...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* WMAu members; Wikimedia Australia Chapter
> *Subject:* Re: [wmau:members] training session - Tuesday
>
> ** **
>
> If that happens again note that there is a tab *edit source* that gives
> you the normal editing screen
>
> gideon.
>
> On 27 June 2013 13:41, Kerry Raymond  wrote:
>
> If anyone would like to help our newest editors and their nascent
> articles, please see the list here:
>
>  
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/State_Library_of_Queensland#Southport
> 
>
>  
>
> Unfortunately, these new editors did not have a good experience of
> Wikipedia in the training session as many functions appeared not to work
> correctly, the user interface was all messed up, etc. It turned out that it
> had been decided to run A/B testing of the new Visual Editor on 50% of
> newly registered users, meaning that (unbeknownst to all present) quite a
> number of the class were probably not using the same editor as used in the
> preparation of the presentation and the printed manuals prepared by State
> Library of Queensland. It was a bewildering experience for us all,
> particularly as it appears that the Visual Editor does not have citation
> templates working yet. 
>
>  
>
> So, some friendly help with their articles and maybe some “Wiki Love”
> (that new heart button on the User page) might help to recover a rather
> disappointing experience for these new editors.
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
>  
>
> Kerry
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] training session - Tuesday

[Gnangarra]

I havent been able to workout how to use

   - Tables
   - insert images
   - citations
   - infobox type templates

in each case I've reverted to the source..

wikilnking is cumbersome, wikilinking to DAB pages is even worse,
bulleting, numbering is as much a pain in the  as it is on every other
text editor where you need to select it form a tool bar, writing in
wikitext is so much quicker and easier once you know how especially for
dinosaurs like me who learn to type on a typewriter. What you find is more
people will just type the content save it  then format I can a lot of flame
wars and edit conflicts in the early transition stage from the twinkling
brigade being to quick to respond.

There will be advantages us dinosaurs will just to accept that the new
users are perceived as not being able to learn wikitext and therefore we
need to cater to their needs to keep WP going



On 28 June 2013 07:02, Kerry Raymond  wrote:

>  They were all editing in userspace, so I don’t think it matters where
> they are editing.
>
> ** **
>
> I agree than when the Visual Editor is fully functional, it should be a
> better editor for our new editors and we will update our training to use
> it. It’s just hard to run a training course with material on the existing
> editor when unbeknownst to you some of the class are using a different
> editor.
>
> ** **
>
> What was your experience with citations? The drop-down templates didn’t
> seem to work at all in the workshop – the window with the fields would not
> appear, i.e. nothing happened.
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 28 June 2013 8:10 AM
>
> *To:* kerry.raym...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* WMAu members; Wikimedia Australia Chapter
> *Subject:* Re: [wmau:members] training session - Tuesday
> 
>
>  ** **
>
> If they dont edit mainspace they are likely get the original editor, I've
> been beta testing for a week and really arent all that impressed, some it
> is to do with the me adjusting to using the Visual editor but its also
> difficult to do more than just typing, creating tables, wikilinking is
> cumbersome and feels like a backwards step, and I havent added images yet.
> If you are doing workshops you really need to switch to the visual editor
> just start getting a feel for it because they are committed to changing
> over to it
>
> Gideon
>
> On 28 June 2013 05:44, Kerry Raymond  wrote:
>
> Yes, and I believe there is also a preferences setting in relation to the
> Visual Editor too (which probably allows you to turn it off). I believe
> there is also a preference to opt-out of any experimental feature testing
> more generally.
>
>  
>
> If I had known that the cause of the problem was the testing of the Visual
> Editor with half of the new user population, I probably may have thought of
> some solutions along these lines. But in the absence of any warning of such
> a thing happening, I just didn’t think of that possibility. Generally by
> the time the person put up their hand to say “it doesn’t work for me”, they
> were already in edit mode. It was only almost at the end of the workshop
> that I saw an “Edit” and an “Edit Source” tab side-by-side on someone’s
> screen and I realised that the VisualEditor must be involved (I was aware
> they had called for alpha testers, but obviously new editors would have
> been unlikely to have signed up for alpha testing). What made the situation
> quite confusing was that not all the class was affected  – in particular
> everything was working perfectly for a lady who had brought her own Mac
> laptop, which mislead me to suspect that the problem may have been related
> to some of library-supplied computers (they were very “locked-down” and
> only had Internet Explorer so I was suspecting it might be a “too old”
> version of IE or something like that).
>
>  
>
> But if anyone happens to be helping out a new user going forward, bear in
> mind there is probably a 50-50 chance that they are using the new Visual
> Editor as part of this trial (which I believe is ongoing – that is, more
> new editors are being added to the trial every day as they sign up). I
> wonder if they bothered to tell the TeaHouse about this? Also, if any of
> those new users goes searching for Help pages, will they be taken to Help
> pages for the Visual Editor or the regular ones? Do Help pages even exist
> for the Visual Editor yet? I don’t know what risk management strategies are
> in place, but my own experience suggests “probably not a lot”.
>
>  
>
> Kerry
>
>  
>
>  
>  --
>

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: Changes effective July 1

[Gnangarra]

Great to hear about the charitable status, and the PL insurance
The main page layout is fine but it really needs some visual content

On 1 July 2013 13:22, Steve Zhang  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm pleased to announce some changes to Wikimedia Australia that has taken
> effect today.
>
> Over the past month, I have been working towards us becoming a registered
> charitable organisation, and this is effective as of today. This will make
> us automatically eligible for income tax exemption, and bring us in-line
> with other large chapters like WMUK which are registered charities. At this
> stage, donations to Wikimedia Australia are still not tax deductible but
> becoming a charitable organisation is a step in the process to becoming a
> deductible gift recipient.
>
> I have also been working on securing us public liability insurance cover
> which has also come into effect as of today.
>
> Our main page has also been given a facelift aTTnd an updated design. Let
> us know what you think.
>
> Please feel free to contact the committee or myself about the changes,
>
> Regards,
> Steven Zhang
> Committee Member, Wikimedia Australia
> steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Changes effective July 1

[Gnangarra]

looks good with the banner, more reason for making panoramas, I think the
cycle should be more than monthly if it can be automated as there are many
great photosgraphs that should be show cased.

Wondering whether it would be possible for a feed page that that could be
linked to that shows recent "Australian media additions to Commons" and
then having that feed into the WMAU facebook page, a this months additions,
or this weeks additions...

Gideon

On 1 July 2013 13:51, Steve Zhang  wrote:

> The original design has an image at the top but we are having some
> technical issues with scaling of the image depending on screen size. Once
> this is fixed the main page should look a lot better. This is the original
> design:
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Australia&oldid=9979- 
> the image would change monthly.
>
> On Monday, July 1, 2013, Gnangarra wrote:
>
>> Great to hear about the charitable status, and the PL insurance
>> The main page layout is fine but it really needs some visual content
>>
>> On 1 July 2013 13:22, Steve Zhang  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm pleased to announce some changes to Wikimedia Australia that has
>>> taken effect today.
>>>
>>> Over the past month, I have been working towards us becoming a
>>> registered charitable organisation, and this is effective as of today. This
>>> will make us automatically eligible for income tax exemption, and bring us
>>> in-line with other large chapters like WMUK which are registered charities.
>>> At this stage, donations to Wikimedia Australia are still not tax
>>> deductible but becoming a charitable organisation is a step in the process
>>> to becoming a deductible gift recipient.
>>>
>>> I have also been working on securing us public liability insurance cover
>>> which has also come into effect as of today.
>>>
>>> Our main page has also been given a facelift aTTnd an updated design.
>>> Let us know what you think.
>>>
>>> Please feel free to contact the committee or myself about the changes,
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Steven Zhang
>>> Committee Member, Wikimedia Australia
>>> steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Warning: Visual Editor - turn it on and it seems you can't turn it off!

[Gnangarra]

VIsual editor was rolled out to soon, too many bugs not enough time to test
which is a common issue.

But all these issues and complaints are wasted if you just turn it off
because we need to accept the change and learn to work with it otherwise
how can we teach others to use it.

you do have the ability to choose edit source which is the wiki coding
anyway when your editing... its really not that much different to writing
an email on gmail

Gideon

On 3 July 2013 13:57, John Vandenberg  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:46 PM, K. Peachey  wrote:
> > Can you file a bug about this bugzilla please? Where people that can
> > actually work on it will see it?
>
> There are hundreds of bugzilla entries for Visual Editor.  I'm pretty
> sure all the basic problems have been logged already.
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Reminder: Wikimedia Australia monthly open meeting

[Gnangarra]

Craig

the coolest projects thing, have you forgotten about your time in perth
already...

On 9 July 2013 18:11, Craig Franklin  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The transcript for the meeting has been posted here:
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Public_(2013-07-07)/Transcript
>
> Participation was again low this month.  Is the time on a Sunday afternoon
> no longer convenient for the majority of members, or was there simply no
> interest in the topics being discussed this time around?  We're very
> willing to experiment with different times and/or mediums if anyone would
> like to try anything a bit different.  I do notice that we had a great
> turnout when we did the meeting on a Sunday night back in April, would
> people like to try that again?
>
> Regards,
> Craig Franklin
> Wikimedia Australia
>
>
>
>
> On 6 July 2013 10:54, Craig Franklin  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just a quick reminder that the monthly Wikimedia Australia public meeting
>> will be taking place tomorrow at 3pm AEST (2:30pm ACST, 1pm AWST) on IRC at
>> #wikimedia-au.  This is your opportunity to quiz members of the
>> management committee on issues relating to the chapter.
>>
>> It has been an eventful month, some suggested topics for discussion are:
>>
>>- Wikimedia Australia's charity status being approved
>>- Upcoming annual plan and FDC applications
>>- Rule changes for the next AGM
>>- World War One editathon
>>- ...any other topic you'd like to discuss.
>>
>> As usual, if you have any specific questions for the committee members
>> ahead of time, it would be appreciated if they could be provided to the
>> relevant person ahead of time so that we can give you a proper answer on
>> the day and not have to take it on notice.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Craig Franklin
>> President - Wikimedia Australia
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan

[Gnangarra]

both wonderful ideas Leigh, the second is something thats been talked about
in WA as well, its also rather simple to setup though the big hurdles are
on the hosting side of things, theres too many endangered Indigenous
languages and stories that should be recorded. If you expand on that theme
we are currently working on WWI projects the one thing we cant reproduce
and present is the stories of those that were there but we still have time
to record stories from WWII, Korea, Vietnam... likewise places, towns,
communities in WA are all to quickly dropping off the map we could be out
recording those as well... This ties in with the WMF strategic plan key
points of;

   - Increase Participation
   - Increase Reach
   - Improve quality
   - Encourage inovation

There is the one over riding factor "*Imagine a world in which every single
human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge" *until we reach
these communities and have them participating we arent sharing the sum of
all knowledge, imagine that :(

On 19 July 2013 08:01, Leigh Blackall  wrote:

> Thinking further, and I hope you're able to consider suggestions from
> non-members..
>
>
>1. Start the Wikimedia Australia Journal for Education and Research
>(WAJER) on Wikiversity. I volunteer to be a peer reviewer. It is a venue
>for peer reviewing and publishing works developed in or about the Wikimedia
>projects, and related fields. If, over time it achieves impact factor, and
>it will by our own metrix, then we will lobby Excellence in Research
>Australia to recognise it. When that happens, academics have no reason not
>to engage.
>2. Establish a restricted access MediaWiki for culturally vulnerable
>and sensitive groups in Australia. I'm thinking primarily Indigenous
>Australians, but also refugees and recent migrants, or minority groups that
>are at risk of oppression and exploitation. The purpose of the closed wiki
>is to offer a secure place to start and trial projects, for as long as they
>need to deciding how and when their works can move to the main projects. In
>my limited experience working with Indigenous Australians, this would
>remove a significant obstacle for their engagement. John Vandenberg was
>proposing something like this last year, and I had at least 2 large groups
>in the NT wanting such a thing, and now another in Victoria.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Leigh Blackall 
> wrote:
>
>> And some case study or exemplar for an appropriate and informed
>> relationship between a university marketing department, and the ethos of
>> the wiki projects. Ie, remove the barrier that marketing would place on
>> faculty engagement with the project
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Leigh Blackall 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not able to edit WMAu wiki,
>>>
>>> Good to see a continuation of Wikimedia in Higher Education. We could
>>> sure use some more proactive support in our effort to develop educational
>>> practices around the Wikimedia projects. This includes, librarian awareness
>>> campaigns, how to edit workshops, WMAu partnering in funding applications,
>>> a road show of Australian work to date, more active use of Wikiversity as a
>>> hub for this sort of project.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Kerry Raymond 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A little while ago there was a call for ideas for our Annual Plan for
 2014, which is an essential part of our FDC funding application (can't ask
 for money unless we have things we intend to do!).

 To try to get this conversation going, I have thrown together a list of
 ideas that have come up. Which of these are worth doing? Which not? What's
 missing from the list?

 http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan

 Please discuss via email or via editing the page/talk as you prefer.

 Kerry


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan: international events ...

[Gnangarra]

One of our(WMAU) issues is that we work in isolation for most editors that
isolation isnt a big issue but our best results come form when we break
that isolation and bring people together. WMAU biggest achievement came
when we were able to bring a group together in Canberra in 2009, we changed
the way the whole movement worked with GLAMs. Since then we have run
successful projects in QLD, NSW WA but they have been locally driven,
locally supported. IMHO something that has been tossed around a number of
times yet never developed is local groups, local representation within
WMAU. I think while looking outside to bring others together is a good idea
and will help we need to bring our community together as well. The townhall
project suggest last years was one way of doing that, as are other event
based happenings Craig attending the launch of Freopedia in doing so it did
alot to advance WMAU programs in WA. Doing once off little gestures isnt
enough everything needs the followup, at the moment all our planning is
around the single song and dance routines we need to look more at planning
multiple repeats. Funding a single Wikiminia is nice but the reality is we
need to commit to funding such events over an extend time period, we dont
have those resources nor are we likely to get them in the short term.



On 21 July 2013 10:44, Craig Franklin  wrote:

> I do like the "Wikiminia" title!
>
> But on conferences and meetups generally, I think we need to look
> realistically at the value for money when we set up these events.  The bare
> fact of the matter is that setting up an event in Australia is expensive.
>  Accommodation, venues, and most importantly travel costs are very high by
> international standards.  So before we start thinking about having more
> symposiums, conferences, and other get-togethers, we really need to ask
> ourselves if that is the most cost effective way to achieve whatever it is
> that we're looking to do.  Are the higher costs justified by the benefit of
> having face-to-face communication?
>
> The answer of course may be "yes", but that needs to be quantified before
> we go and start inviting people.  And to my mind the best way to approach
> it is not to decide to have a "real life" event, and then fill it with
> various programmes, but to decide what it is we want to achieve as an
> organisation, and then hold an event if that is the most sensible way to
> achieve those goals.
>
> Regards,
> Craig Franklin
>
>
> On 21 July 2013 08:43, Leigh Blackall  wrote:
>
>> Agreed.  Also,  at least one of the International events: Wikimania,
>> offers support for travel already. But targeting funds for the purposes you
>> outline seems a good idea.
>>
>> Speaking of Wikimania... and linking to the WAJER idea, but ignoring the
>> "chinwagging" perspective,  how about ab annual event called Wikiminia?
>> Bringing together datahackers, local real work community groups, and
>> wikiheads, mostly to celebrate, issue awards, dream big, eat and chinwag,
>> but on a local outreach scale. Hosting such a thing is taking another
>> financial incentive open to academics too.. They are recognised andpossibly
>> rewarded for four publishing in WAJER and presenting at Wikiminia. I
>> volunteer to help organise.
>> On 21/07/2013 8:00 AM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:
>>
>>>  Tony1 has made some comments about the 2014 Annual Plan:
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> and I hope we will be hearing more from others!
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> In regard to his comment about WMAU being represented at international
>>> events, it’s probably worth a broader discussion of some of the issues here.
>>> 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> In 2013, we didn't budget any money for participation in international
>>> community events, precisely because we (the committee) were doubtful about
>>> the benefits from “chinwagging” relative to the costs. However, that has
>>> been interpreted by others as not engaging with the broader community, etc.
>>> In particular we had a certain amount of criticism for not being
>>> represented at the Chapters Conference.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> The other issue here is that, despite all the electronic means of
>>> communication, people still seem to need face-to-face meetings (and, in
>>> particular, the act of eating together) to build trust and goodwill; this
>>> is something that I have seen so many times in my years in international
>>> standards development (even though almost all the people I worked with were
>>> IT people and hence those who one might think most able to work effectively
>>> electronically). And trust/goodwill is important when it comes to getting
>>> money, so it may be that an international airfare for some carefully-chosen
>>> event (meaning "who" will be there) might be an excellent investment. So
>>> that's why it's on the list of possibilities for discussion.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>>

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

[Gnangarra]

The production people I work with at ABC Open maybe persuaded to do the
videos for us, they already have the reach we'd need...

On 21 July 2013 13:18, Tony Souter  wrote:

> Someone mentioned the social aspect of face-to-face edit training vs
> professionally produced training videos. Face-to-face can be an important
> aspect, but will always be limited in scope and relatively expensive (as
> Craig has pointed out, especially for a country like Australia).
>
> There are two limitations in scope for face-to-face training, I think: the
> sheer volume of skills, dimensions to WP editing, that we'd like to get
> across – when there's only so much you can fit into a single session, or
> even multiple sessions; and (2) the fact that WMF sites need numbers ... *
> lots* of new editors, more than we can pump out in occasional room-based
> events. And looking at Australian-related articles, we need *lots* of new
> Australian editors. And it would be nice to reach out to people in
> Australian regions, and the Asia-Pacific (in English), whom we just
> couldn't possibly involve in face-to-face training.
>
> The trainer in me is also aware that conveying skills and knowledge in
> more than one mode is often very reinforcing for recipients – face-to-face
> *and* online vid *and* even online/skype mentoring? BTW, WMAU
> face-to-face sessions in a number of cities are going to be funded by the
> Australian Research Council as part of the Linkage project on disability in
> sport (John Vandenberg is organising, I believe).
>
> As for specifically Australian content/angles, they're not essential: just
> showing the way generically for the rest of the WM movement would be a good
> thing to do.
>
> T
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21/07/2013, at 3:03 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:
>
> ** **
>
> Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there’s stuff
> I would love to learn personally as well as making those links more
> available to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia
> site (probably on outreach, can’t remember) but they seemed to be all
> broken links.
>
> ** **
>
> Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was
> perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor
> “Australian” content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about
> referencing key Austrlian resources)
>
> ** **
>
> Kerry
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM
> *To:* kerry.raym...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org; WMAu members
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and
> the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG
>
> ** **
>
> Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not
> hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the
> suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an
> Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to
> create videos about Australia related projects and interest
> groups? In which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a
> video overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel
> outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.
>
> On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, "Kerry Raymond"  wrote:***
> *
>
> In 
>
>  
>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal
> 
>
>  
>
> Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training and/or
> to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the WMF’s
> enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards “low-hanging
> fruit” projects. 
>
>  
>
> Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit
> problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we
> know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain
> attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training
> (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice
> project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into
> instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially
> reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200
> people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be
> absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is
> much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit
> training.
>
>  
>
> Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian
> WP community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like
> to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s work lives).
> Would we find it more-or-less easy to get pe

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] RE: Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

[Gnangarra]

hmm many of those will need to be redone/duplicated with the changes to
visual editor

On 21 July 2013 14:14, Kerry Kilner  wrote:

>  Thanks for this reference, Leigh!
>
> Kerry Kilner
>
>
> On 21/07/2013, at 3:59 PM, Leigh Blackall  wrote:
>
>   There are a few on the Wikiversity page I maintain for workshops: 
> 
> http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops
>
> If need be I'll forward a YouTube playlist
> On 21/07/2013 3:03 PM, "Kerry Raymond" < 
> kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there’s stuff
>> I would love to learn personally as well as making those links more
>> available to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia
>> site (probably on outreach, can’t remember) but they seemed to be all
>> broken links.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was
>> perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor
>> “Australian” content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about
>> referencing key Austrlian resources)
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>> ** **
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto: 
>> leighblack...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM
>> *To:*  kerry.raym...@gmail.com
>> *Cc:*  
>> wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org; WMAu members
>> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos
>> and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not
>> hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the
>> suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an
>> Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to
>> create videos about Australia related projects and interest
>> groups? In which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a
>> video overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel
>> outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.
>>
>> On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, "Kerry Raymond" < 
>> kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In 
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training
>> and/or to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the
>> WMF’s enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards
>> “low-hanging fruit” projects. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit
>> problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we
>> know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain
>> attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training
>> (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice
>> project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into
>> instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially
>> reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200
>> people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be
>> absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is
>> much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit
>> training.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian
>> WP community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like
>> to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s work lives).
>> Would we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare instructional
>> videos which they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they wanted? I don’t
>> know. What are the relative costs? Well, edit training generally has travel
>> costs, but we’d probably need to spend some money on professional tools for
>> making instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and
>> perhaps some training on how to use them effectively.
>>
>>  
>>
>> So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or
>> higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of
>> infinite resources we can do both, but we don’t live in that world
>> (“everything costs something” as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say).*
>> ***
>>
>>  
>>
>> Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical
>> problem in relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality
>> of the visual editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop
>> materials (slides and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of
>> videos. But my question here is more philosophical about t

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] RE: Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

[Gnangarra]

it never hurts to revisit/renew training videos from time to time anyway,
the problem that we face at the moment is the visual editor isnt stable nor
is it complete so making videos right now is fraught with them also being
made obsolete as well.

On 21 July 2013 19:43, Craig Franklin  wrote:

> Yes, this.  Unfortunately a great deal of documentation has been made
> obsolete with one fell stroke (not that that's a reason not to do it, it
> just creates a whole bunch of work for us).
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
>
> On 21 July 2013 16:17, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
>> hmm many of those will need to be redone/duplicated with the changes to
>> visual editor
>>
>>
>


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