[Zen] RE: Problems Accessing the Yahoo! Zen Forum

2013-10-09 Thread BillSmart
Good News! (Kind of...) I've been able to recreate the problem Audrey and Mookey reported. The Ooppss! Only a Moderator Can Do That response when entering the Home Page and clicking on CONVERSATIONS. I did it by creating a new test account for me that was not a Moderator. Now I just

[Zen Forum] RE: Nonresistance is the key

2013-10-09 Thread BillSmart
Suresh, You'll get no push-back from me on this post! ...Bill! ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, varam...@gmail.com wrote: THE DREAMER AND THE DREAM Nonresistance is the key to the greatest power in the universe. Through it, consciousness (spirit) is freed form its imprisonment in

[Zen Forum] RE: RE: Problems Accessing the Yahoo! Zen Forum

2013-10-09 Thread BillSmart
I thought I'd responded to this already so this might be a duplicate... Okay...I think I've fixed the problem of getting the Ooppss! Only a Moderator... message when some of you click CONVERSATIONS. Audrey and Mooky...Please try this out again and let me know if I was successful...

[Zen Forum] RE: RE: RE: RE: Problems Accessing the Yahoo! Zen Forum

2013-10-09 Thread BillSmart
topics whatsoever. It continually displays the same error. If only the incessant chatter of the mind could end so abruptly. Oops Enlightenment! Sent from my iPad On Oct 8, 2013, at 1:31 AM, BillSmart@... mailto:BillSmart@... wrote: Everyone... There has been a drastic drop

RE: Re: [Zen] Problems Accessing the Yahoo! Zen Forum

2013-10-08 Thread BillSmart
Audrey, I'll look at your membership settings vis-a-vis the page settings and see what I can discover. It will probably be tomorrow since it's nighttime here now...Bill! ---In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, zen_forum@yahoogroups.com wrote: Bill!: I can get into every one of my groups,

[Zen] Problems Accessing the Yahoo! Zen Forum

2013-10-07 Thread BillSmart
Everyone...There has been a drastic drop-off in traffic since Yahoo! implemented a new format for its Groups including the Zen Forum. I assume this is mainly due to difficulties in accessing the forum and not a lack of interest.There are two ways to interface with the Yahoo! Zen

[Zen] Quantum Physics or Zen?

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
Especially for Edgar..Bill! __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest |

[Zen] RE: Quantum Physics or Zen?

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
Well, thats kind of embarrassing. There was supposed to be a graphic in the message. It didnt show up and I dont know why...Bill! ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:Especially for Edgar..Bill!

[Zen] Test for Graphic...

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
This is a graphic...Do you see it? __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest |

[Zen] RE: Test for Graphic...

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
I dont... ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:This is a graphic...Do you see it? __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional

[Zen] RE: Test for Graphic...

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
Second Try...img src="">height=50 width=100Do you see it now? ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:I dont... ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:This is a graphic...Do you see it?

[Zen] 3rd Try at Graphic

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
It should be below...lt;img src="" height=50 width=100gt;Do you see it? __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via

[Zen] 4th Try at Graphic...

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/s720x720/1184838_10202240585519798_1292807694_n.jpg __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID

[Zen] RE: File - Zen Forum Posting Policy.pdf

2013-10-01 Thread BillSmart
...and I couldnt open this file. Did anyone figure out how to do that? ...Bill! ---In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, zen_forum@yahoogroups.com wrote:File: Zen Forum Posting Policy.pdf Description : Yahoo! Zen Forum Posting Policy __._,_.___

[Zen] RE: can#39;t see messages, only Bodhi Man

2013-09-27 Thread BillSmart
Salik et al...In the new format when you get to the Home Page you will see a banner across the top with Bohdidharmas face.Below that there is a row of choices, one of which is CONVERSATIONS. Thats where the posts are kept.When you click on that youll get a choice of TOPICS,

[Zen] Is There Anybody Out There?

2013-09-25 Thread BillSmart
Whoever reads this post please REPLY.Im requesting this as a test of the new Yahoo! Group format.Thanks...Bill! __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID

[Zen] New Yahoo! Group Format

2013-09-24 Thread BillSmart
Okay! I finally figured out how to get into the management area and changed the Kremlin Home Page photo. Were going to have to try to find another picture though. One which has a different orientation and is more wide than tall to fit better. Im requesting suggestions on this.Also

RE: Re: [Zen] New Yahoo! Group Format

2013-09-24 Thread BillSmart
I havent seen my last Reply Post to Edgars message yet, and its been a couple hours. Im re-posting it to see if the problem is Yahoo!s or mine...All I said was that I will keep this image but will re-position it a little - which Ive already doneBill! ---In

[Zen] RE: New Yahoo! Group Format

2013-09-24 Thread BillSmart
I saw my second posting. It only took a minute or so to post so the first one must have been my errorMore about this new Yahoo! Groups format later...Meanwhile KEEP POSTING (or trying to...). ---In zen_forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:I havent seen my last

[Zen] Re: buddha nature

2013-08-24 Thread billsmart
. It involves a disconnection with the illusion of self and all dualism. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@ wrote: Merle, No, the body is not a restraint. It is a gateway - at least as far

Re: [Zen] buddha nature

2013-08-24 Thread billsmart
, such as through zazen, does not involve a disconnection with the body. It involves a disconnection with the illusion of self and all dualism. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@ wrote: Merle

[Zen] The Illusion of Time

2013-04-21 Thread billsmart
Life exists only at this very moment, and in this moment it is infinite and eternal, for the present moment is infinitely small; before we can measure it, it has gone, and yet it exists forever. Alan Watts (1915 - 1973) Current Book Discussion: any Zen

[Zen] Re: realisation

2013-03-31 Thread billsmart
Merle, Merle, Merle, How do you come up with such gems as ...your never gunna be that buddha of your dreams...? Don't you know all you have to do is click your heels 3 times while repeating There's no place like home...and you're there! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester

[Zen] Re: understanding zen

2012-11-14 Thread billsmart
Edgar, In Dogen's quote below you are stuck on what you perceive as his emphasis on 'study'. He mentions 'study' in the beginning of his statement and it is also a useful tool at the beginning of zen practice. Dogen then switches his focus to 'forget'. It's only at that point in your zen

[Zen] Re: wecome

2012-10-17 Thread billsmart
Edgar, Correction: SOME of us missed you...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:   thank you edgar..i see you are onboard again1...welcome back..we all missed you..merle   Merle, I'm getting it fine. Bill doesn't control what goes to

[Zen] Re: the zen marmalade story: NOW

2012-10-09 Thread billsmart
that we either are seeing the real NOW, or we are close. But since I am unable to tell you which theory is true, I couldn't decide whether or not your experience is true, even if I could directly detect what is in your consciousness. Jim --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsmart

Re: [Zen] Baby Photo

2012-10-07 Thread billsmart
Actually this is in response to Merle's query to Edgar asking where everyone is hiding. I was showing what kind of chum she needs to spread on the waters to attract an Edgar. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:   indeed..merle   LOL!

Re: [Zen] Hisorty

2012-10-07 Thread billsmart
Edgar, I agree, but I accepted the graphics 'History is a fiction...' as being the same thing as 'history is an illusion'. I was feeling generous...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Bill, Actually more to the point the entire past is an illusion that

[Zen] Re: Baby Photo

2012-10-07 Thread billsmart
]. --Joe Bill! BillSmart@ wrote: Here's an old photograph of me. ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go

[Zen] Re: Baby Photo

2012-10-07 Thread billsmart
Joe, I passed on commenting on your previous post about this, and I still don't know if you're jesting or not. In case you're not, just ask yourself...if this was a 'photo', who would have been around to take it? ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, desert_woodworker

[Zen] Re: I need some practice advice

2012-10-07 Thread billsmart
are right, because they didn't cause me to become enlightened. Jim --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsmart BillSmart@ wrote: Jim, Caveat: Everything I tell you is only my opinion. You've read a lot of books on what a lemon tastes like but now you need to bite into the lemon

[Zen] Re: the zen marmalade story: NOW

2012-10-07 Thread billsmart
, it looks like we would be unable to detect motion, melodies, etc. which extend over time. But this whole thing is something I don't really understand. Jim --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@ wrote: Merle, There is only NOW! The past is a memory

[Zen] Re: I need some practice advice

2012-10-07 Thread billsmart
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsmart BillSmart@ wrote: Jim, Caveat: Everything I tell you is only my opinion. You've read a lot of books on what a lemon tastes like but now you need to bite into the lemon and find out for yourself. The books can't do

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread billsmart
Merle, I didn't watch the video. I just guessed from the description. That sentence was just chum in the waters. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: so you did watch the german's jumping in the water bed...you told me NOT to send such

[Zen] Re: I need some practice advice

2012-10-06 Thread billsmart
Merle, READ THIS POST CAREFULLY I NEVER said you posted 'crap' and I NEVER said you were 'off course' and I NEVER said you are not 'zen enough' - whatever that means. You continue to read my posts and then spit them back at me while interjecting some kind of personal references or

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread billsmart
to fully realizing Buddha Nature (IMO) is clinging to self...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@ wrote: On 10/6/2012 1:09 AM, billsmart wrote: My practice is to continue to more completely bring no-mind (Buddha

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-06 Thread billsmart
Merle, I already told you why I didn't watch the video. The description didn't interest me. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:    why did you not watch it bill!..can we drop the !... it's hard work sorry i thought you did!  merle  

[Zen] Re: New Zen: on the run

2012-10-06 Thread billsmart
Merle, Don't hold back on this. Tell us what you really think...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote: what a wet blanket he is!. a nark to put in mildly! .evolve mr. guru  embracing zen is NOT about sitting on tiny rubbery  mats for 2/3 hours

[Zen] Re: New Zen :NOW

2012-10-06 Thread billsmart
Merle, Like you say, that's an old saying - an old, old saying, and you know what they say about old sayings, There are two kinds of people in this world: those that believe old sayings and those that don't. Seriously though I didn't judge the video, I made a decision (judgement) based on

Fw: [Zen] Re: Island ( 1962 ) by Aldous Huxley

2012-10-06 Thread billsmart
No, I have not read the book ISLAND. I have read a couple others by Huxley: ANIMAL FARM and 1984...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:   What book?  http://www.huxley.net/island/ merle

Re: [Zen] Fwd: [evol-psych] News: Compassion meditation may boost neural basis of empathy, study finds

2012-10-05 Thread billsmart
Merle, I know you didn't address this question to me but I'll answer as if you had. I'm 'hiding' (not responding to your most recent posts)for two reasons: 1. They don't interest me. Many of your posts as far as I'm concerned are not about anything even remotely associated with zen. A good

[Zen] Re: I need some practice advice

2012-10-05 Thread billsmart
Jim, Caveat: Everything I tell you is only my opinion. You've read a lot of books on what a lemon tastes like but now you need to bite into the lemon and find out for yourself. The books can't do that for you. They can encourage you and lead you up to that point, but their usefulness ends

[Zen] Without Art...

2012-10-05 Thread billsmart
Here's one for Merle... ...Bill!

[Zen] Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-05 Thread billsmart
This is an interesting article by Dosho Mike Port about what he sees are the benefits and detriments the Western Baby Boomers have made to zen culture. He contrasts the more intensive, individual-focused 'traditional style' training which up until 20 or so years ago was the only training available

[Zen] Re: Old Zen, New Zen

2012-10-05 Thread billsmart
retreat for ever. This emphasis is mine, it's not for everyone. I bear no enmity; only amity for closest folks, no matter who taught them. Cheers; strong practice!, --Joe billsmart BillSmart@ wrote: This is an interesting article by Dosho Mike Port about what he sees

[Zen] Re: bedtime reading

2012-09-26 Thread billsmart
Merle, That book probably has documented part of why the Western image of the Dalai Lama 'creeps me out'. (I'm beginning to really like that phrase - thanks Chris). I may present an inverse perspective of mine because he hasn't 'conquered' me yet, and if fact it's what I perceive as his

[Zen] Re: bedtime reading

2012-09-26 Thread billsmart
Merle, You creep me out sometimes! I never said I 'hated' the Dalai Lama. I dislike his image, and I've even softened that somewhat recently by saying I dislike the Western media's portrayal of his image, especially when he had two images - one as a 'Buddhist' spiritual leader and one as a

[Zen] Re: mandalas

2012-09-16 Thread billsmart
rice, you were pressented with 'flight' lice'.   Anthony From: billsmart BillSmart@... To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 15:37 Subject: [Zen] Re: mandalas   Anthony, Pronounce it like 'crop' but trill the 'r

Re: [Zen] the real world and zen power

2012-09-14 Thread billsmart
about mindfulness - we can go deeply into phenomena to see the 3 Characteristics (impermanence, dukkha, no-self) in operation. Sitting thru discomfort (dis-ease) is a great tool. Mike From: Bill! BillSmart@... To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 2:37

[Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA

2012-09-14 Thread billsmart
From: Bill! BillSmart@... To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 16:46 Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA   He (IMO) is just a walking bumper-sticker machine. How could you take anyone seriously who purports

[Zen] Re: mandalas

2012-09-14 Thread billsmart
Merle, If you mandalas are a good expression of yourself, you're in very good shape! ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  you are a sweetie bill. ..sometimes more than often... i loose confidence...why am i doing this?.. .i have no choice

[Zen] Re: suffering

2012-09-12 Thread billsmart
Kris, 'My opinion' is my default 'mental model', or I guess I could call it 'Bill!'s mental model'. It is the default model I use to communicate with others. Is it a better (closer to Reality) 'mental model' than others? I couldn't claim that, but I can say it's the most comfortable for me.

[Zen] Re: suffering

2012-09-11 Thread billsmart
Kris, I didn't say 'do zazen with the goal of, or for the purpose of alleviating suffering. I said if you want to alleviate suffering you must drop attachments. To drop attachments you must quit creating dualities (like self/other). And I suggested zazen was a way to do this - realizing

[Zen] Re: suffering

2012-09-11 Thread billsmart
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@ wrote: ED, That may be so. I don't really know. And if they do it might be psychosomatic, not that that really matters. Pain is of course an indication that somethings wrong and needs attention. To just alleviate pain without attending

[Zen] Pulp Fiction

2012-09-09 Thread billsmart
I watched a rerun of the movie PULP FICTION last night. It was GREAT! Especially after all the discussions about Purpose, Karma, Cause-and-Effect and Chaos. ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading!

[Zen] The 'Model' of Physicality...

2012-09-09 Thread billsmart
Of course this guy couldn't even tell a live cat from a dead one without peeking...

Re: [Zen] Signing Off - For Now

2012-09-09 Thread billsmart
Edgar, Well, that's just another example of how you and I differ. When I'm on the Zen Forum I'm not counting seconds or practicing zen. I'm on the Zen Forum. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote: Bill, Interesting. I count EVERY second of my time on

Re: [Zen] Illusion - Change of Term

2012-09-09 Thread billsmart
Edgar, I don't like the phrase 'cognitive simulation of reality' although it does describe what I'm talking about. It's just too wordy, too complicated. I want a plain word or very short phrase. I want a word that better fits into zen which is very simple and not complicated. 'Illusion' is of

Re: [Zen] The 'Model' of Physicality...

2012-09-09 Thread billsmart
it! From: billsmart BillSmart@... To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, September 9, 2012 4:28:12 AM Subject: [Zen] The 'Model' of Physicality... Of course this guy couldn't even tell a live cat from a dead one without peeking

Re: [Zen] christian

2012-09-08 Thread billsmart
Merle, I don't know why what I wrote below is not clear. The religions of Christianity and Islam are responsible for inciting and encouraging people to commit atrocities. And that fact continues to this day. You close your post below with Right marches on. I am just adding so does Wrong.

Re: [Zen] christian

2012-09-08 Thread billsmart
Kris, I'm not saying *I* believe all that bullshit. I'm saying I do believe *they* believe it. *They* being the Christians and Muslims that participate in that kind of thing. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote: Then you buy into (aka -believe) in

[Zen] Re: breaking through

2012-09-07 Thread billsmart
Edgar, Edgar, Edgar... Qualities to not evolve for a purpose. That would be engineering, not evolution. New qualities appear primarily by random mutation. If the quality is advantageous (gives the organism an advantage over competing organisms) or at least is not a disadvantage it is likely

[Zen] Re: clarification of the bowl

2012-09-07 Thread billsmart
JMJM, Well you have succeeded, at least with me. I often times think you are so wishy-washy you are nobody...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, 覺妙精明 (JMJM) chan.jmjm@... wrote: Hi Bill, You are still trying to show me that you are somebody. Sorry. I have come to

[Zen] Re: logic is an art form

2012-09-07 Thread billsmart
Logic plays a big part in engineering, not art...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:  bill..artists can be logical too... logic plays a big part in my art...merle   Everyone, I try to communicate with people on this forum in the way I think

Re: [Zen] Bill!'s Posts to Edgar

2012-09-07 Thread billsmart
Yes, sadly that's the way it seems...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wuasg@... wrote: Bill!,   Wise choice, because money always prevails over quality.   Anthony From: Bill! BillSmart@... To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent

[Zen] Re: Zen elements?

2011-07-26 Thread billsmart
teachers on the Zen Forum preach a lot? --ED PS: Is not 'Zen Forum' an oxymoron? --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@ wrote: Mayka, Thanks for your excellent definition of 'preaching'. I agree with it. In that sense I do not beleive zen teachers 'preach'. If they do

Re: [Zen] Why Practice Chan?

2011-06-26 Thread billsmart
Zendervish, You asked: How would you know if you experienced Buddha Nature? That's a good question. I posted an answer to this but then deleted it realizing it was insufficient. In that post I used an analogy of experiencing 'hot' when touching fire, but that was really not a good example.

[Zen] Re: Buddhist meditation practices

2011-04-11 Thread billsmart
of emphasis. The meditator's mind must dwell mainly in and on the clear sky state, with clouds paid a subdued notice. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@ wrote: THAT'S what I'm talking about!!! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter001@ wrote

RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-09 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, If someone is sitting and is confused then he is not doing shikantaza because he's not 'just sitting'. He might be TRYING to do shikantaza. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 6:00 PM To:

RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-08 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, No! No! No! You are not wrong! Shikantaza IS INDEED ‘just sitting’. What it IS NOT is sitting AND thinking about things, being confused, excited, etc… Shikantaza IS INDEED “…only and act, nothing to do with the state of mind.” This is because your mind (your

RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-07 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, Well…’single-minded sitting’ is what I am trying to describe by using the term. I have heard it also called ‘clear-mind’ sitting. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 5:34 PM To:

RE: [Zen] Just a short clip from the previous message

2010-12-07 Thread BillSmart
I second the motion! I either snip a short clip or, like in this post, I add it just above the subject post. I the subject post has many points I either embed my remarks in appropriate places or snip a short clip as suggested. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-07 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, This is why I keep digging in on this. Shikantaza can NOT be confused, daydreaming or full of lust. Single-minded sitting could not be confused or daydreaming, but it could be single-mindedly focuses on lust or any other object. Shikantaza is not sitting single-mindedly focused on

RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-06 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, Thanks for the correction. I do understand it is a technique which leads to a state of dissolution of self. We're tugging over nuances of terms. Could you say you are TRYING or ATTEMPTING to sit shikantaza, and it's only when you reach the dissolution of self that you are really

RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-05 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, The only thing lying down at the airport in Beijing was me. My flight from Bangkok was 2 hours late causing me to miss my connecting flight to Seoul. I had to wait 4 hours for the next one. The airport, at least the area I was in, was almost vacant. I stretched out on some seats

RE: [Zen] Enlightenment, Self, and the Brain

2010-12-05 Thread BillSmart
Anthony and Chris, I don’t hold anything against science for trying to explain or understand religion, but I don’t consider zen a religion (although zen does have lots of instances where a religion has been built up around it – like Buddhism or Christianity). I just believe using science or

RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-05 Thread BillSmart
Ed, I normally don't use the term 'samadhi', but in the post below I meant 'shikantaza' - the state where there is a dissolution of self. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:28 PM To:

RE: [Zen] Enlightenment, Self, and the Brain

2010-12-05 Thread BillSmart
ED and Anthony, The mind (discriminating/rational mind) cannot go from one body to another. Buddha Mind is a quality that is fundamental to all sentient beings (beings with the ability to experience - such as those that have sensory organs). Buddha Mind does not 'go' from one being to another.

RE: [Zen] The BBC on Zen

2010-12-04 Thread BillSmart
ED, As usual I'm at a loss to be able to link your post below with my post attached. Did you want to make a comment about my post by referencing the Eightfold Path? If so, what is the comment? ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent:

RE: [Zen] Zen and the Martial Arts

2010-12-04 Thread BillSmart
This is Beijing Bill. While in samadhi there are no events. There is only now. An event is a description of a slice of time that has a beginning and ending. You MIGHT say you focus on now, but focus is not quite the right word. At least for me focus denotes an effort or intent. There is

RE: [Zen] The BBC on Zen

2010-12-04 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, I’m posting this from Beijing Airport. I mean the experiences Jesus had - say when he fasted for 40 days and nights in the wilderness. I don't mean all the religious mumbo-jumbo that has been built up around his teachings. Jesus described himself and ALL OTHERS as being son's of

RE: [Zen] Enlightenment, Self, and the Brain

2010-12-03 Thread BillSmart
ED, I watched the first 5 minutes. It sounded interesting until he started to get into the physiology aspects. I’ll listen to some more when I have more time next week. EVERYBODY, I’m flying to Seoul, Korea tonight and will be there probably through the end of the year. Are any of you there

RE: [Zen] The BBC on Zen

2010-12-02 Thread BillSmart
I normally don't read links that are posted without comment. See Kristy's comment below that basically expresses the same thing. I did go to this link and read the article. I thought it was pretty good. Anthony and ED were right in that I'd flag the declaration that zen is a subdivision of

RE: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-30 Thread BillSmart
ED, (Original and Corrected) I started to respond to each of your points below one-by-one, but soon discovered all the responses were essentially the same: Zazen, the realization of Buddha Nature and zen practice are not done for the purpose of doing any of the things you list below, all of

RE: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-28 Thread BillSmart
ED, Others don't automatically have to embrace zen or Buddhism, or Christianity or Judaism or Humanism or Materialism, etc... It's only if these 'others' are dissatisfied or disappointed with their life that they might seek a remedy. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-28 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, ‘Everyone else’ refers to the numberless sentient beings in the Bodhisattva vow. They don’t die, they just transfer to another flight. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 9:10 PM To:

RE: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-28 Thread BillSmart
ED, To my knowledge zen or even Zen Buddhism has ever proactively sought new members. In fact many of the historical stories relate that Zen Masters have set barriers up to make sure that new students are really earnest about pursuing zen. Most Zen Buddhist centers today don't set up any

RE: [Zen] Breathing in Zazen

2010-11-28 Thread BillSmart
This is exactly how I was taught to sit – which is not too surprising since the founder of Zen Mountain Monastery is John Daido Lori Roshi who is a dharma successor of one of same zen masters that instructed me. The only difference was an additional step after the two versions of counting the

RE: [Zen] Perhaps

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
Ed, MATTER is not different than EMPTINESS. Yes. In my post below I specifically said the CONCEPTS of [fill in the blank – could be a concept of matter, like a peach] are FORMS. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Thursday, November

RE: [Zen] New Member

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
Ed, I am convinced that I have met, interacted with and witnessed several modern-day zen masters that were able to hold Buddha Mind in their everyday life: Koyru Roshi, Maezumi Roshi, Dae Soen Sa Nim and Tetsugen (Bernard Glassman) Roshi before he was a Roshi and was the Senior Monk at ZCLA under

RE: [Zen] Thanks for an engaging listserv!

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
I enjoy participating in the Zen Forum very much also! Thanks for everyone’s participation – even those that are only ‘lurking’. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ChrisAustinLane Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 4:39 AM To:

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
ED, I believe Mahayana Buddhism teaches that you should not enter Nirvana nor break yourself off of the Wheel-of-Life (the continuous cycle of birth and rebirth) until all sentient beings are released from suffering. This is not the same as saying your should help others before helping

RE: [Zen] Three Buddhist Practices

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
ED, In my experience and the best that I can express it, Samadhi (shikantaza/clear mind/Buddha Mind) WITHOUT awareness appears BEFORE kensho. Kensho (the way I use the word) is the AWARENESS of Buddha Mind. AFTER kensho samadhi/shikantaza/clear mind/Buddha Mind continues, but continues WITH

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
Mayka and JMJM, In my experience awareness is most intense during exhales, and not so intense during inhales. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jue Miao Jing Ming - Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 12:38 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com

RE: [Zen] Perhaps

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
Mayka, You have correctly identified that true 'zen talk' is of necessity very, very simple. Very childlike. Empty. On the other hand most 'talk about zen' is very complex, full of concepts and forms. If you want examples of this just read a few koans to see what the historical zen

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, I’ll repeat again that it is my understanding that the Mahayana’s vow is to not enter Nirvana before all other sentient beings are saved – not to postpone enlightenment until all other beings are saved. You are basically equating Nirvana with enlightenment. Is that what you mean?

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
Mayka, I don’t try to hold my breath in. There is a natural pause in between inhale and exhale, both in holding the air in for a second or two and after exhaling for a second or two. I just let my breathing happen naturally. I do belly-breath, and as I sit the breathes slow down and get

RE: [Zen] Perhaps

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
Mayka, Here is a link to one of the most well known collection of koans THE GATELESS GATE: http://www.ibiblio.org/zen/cgi-bin/koan-index.pl There’s absolutely no problem with just reading and enjoying these. You don’t have to ‘work on them’ and in fact shouldn’t try if you’re not

RE: [Zen] Zen, Mythology, Mind-states and Faith

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
ED, I not only agree but personally identify with your narrative below. That is generally how I came to this point in my zen practice. I now realize I missed this part of your question in my last response. My reply listed some teachers and others I have known that I believe have experienced

RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Amazon book

2010-11-26 Thread BillSmart
Anthony, You are right that it is logically impossible to save all sentient beings, but saving all sentient beings in not a logical exercise. You actually save all sentient beings the moment you are enlightened. I'm saying now for the 3rd time that Mahayana Buddhism does not discourage you

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