[FairfieldLife] Re: Numa Numa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Off.world posted a link to a 4-minute home-made video made by a 20- year-old girl in California that is on youtube. Well, I'm addicted. I've seen it now about 10 times and will go back for more. You must see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f- JbSj9L6YENR Bah, there are plenty of videos of MUCH higher quality out there. It is precisely because it is not polished and high quality which makes it better than that kind of thing. It is hard to explain why, but it is VERY important that the video I posted is exactly the way it is...rough, amateur, and niave. It is a postmodern.no.post historypre world- enlightenment, global family message of unity and joy. It is very powerful to those with a postmodernist, Andy Warholesque, but uncomplex (simple) sensibility which is finely attuned to the paradoxical and wonderful world into which we are now entering. It is a statement of pure innocent positivity and joy at the end of history. There are thousands of them on the YouTube dedicated to this one theme - Numa Numa. It is an innocent and simple expression in a rough cut form of the Dance of the Universe. It is a cult across the planet, and it taps into a universal consciousness that is saying emphatically and once and for all: Life is Bliss ! ! ! But none of those words above really capture what it is, it is very hard to explain unless you have a certain open mind/heart and a true (not moodmaking) global family connection in the heart/mind. I guess not everyone sees it, and it may need another 10 years work as I said before :-) But I am glad it is not just me and my imagination, because this thing is vast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JbSj9L6YENR Dancin'OffWorld I'm curious, off.world, how did you come across this gem? I actually can't remember, but it was in the last couple of days, so it must have been when I was looking at Ali Gee comedy videos and it must have been in the 'related videos section' but god knows why. Funnily enough, this recent report on where this phenomena all started is on the Yahoo news frontpage right now ! (after some other uninteresting stuff...wait for the numa numa stuff ) http://tinyurl.com/mdyxj OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Whereabouts of Trump's new project?
Nice use of Flash! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levi (but not -tation?): http://www.levi.fi/pages/flash/flash.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
So any who disagree will be lying? There is another possiblity. Wanna guess what that is? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for pitching in Turq. As we both know, there are no number of examples that will be considered proof. And if one believer teacher comes up to lie to protect daddy MMY, that will be considered the final word. We have both been down this road before. Yup. I'll be interested to see how many, if any, of the other teachers on this forum are willing to mention some of the many ways in which they were instructed to tell lies by the TMO. It's possible that some will, but equally possible that this subject will be met with a complete and stony silence. :-) I'd be willing to bet that (as usual) it'll be the people who never had the balls to become teachers them- selves who will be screaming that we're liars and that *they* know the real truth about what TM teachers did and didn't do. Those who actually *did* become teachers, and actually taught, will probably either agree with us or remain silent... So any who disagree will be lying? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis Blues Video
Here is my hat for the music video ring. It took me a while to ride my video software to pull this off. Check it out: http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Numa Numa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Off.world posted a link to a 4-minute home-made video made by a 20- year-old girl in California that is on youtube. Well, I'm addicted. I've seen it now about 10 times and will go back for more. I know exactly what you mean. I watched it more than 10 times ! ! It is a work of what in the modern artworld would be called a naive genius artist. I love it ! The fact that it is not some big sophisticated production is what makes it so great. Yes, it is exactly all the things you say. It is, simply, a celebration of life. And what's wonderful is it's this 20 year old kid sitting in her most probably suburban bedroom with a computer she bought for $800 producing what would have cost some production unit intent on publicizing the latest pop tune $2,000,000 to create a music video. Her name is Sonya Vera and you can tell by her myspace.com page that she is into all the typical things that a kid her age is into. Yet this wave of creativity bursts from her. I am glad I am not the only one that got it. thanks ! ! ! You must see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JbSj9L6YENR To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone heard of this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend wants to know: All right, dear Holmes, hereĀ¹s your next mission (should you choose to accept it, naturally). Someone told me of a swami somewhere in the South of India that for the insignificant donation of $5000 will tell you exactly where you are in the spiritual path and when exactly you will get enlightened (why did I not think of that first?). Can you please put your tentacles (I mean, feelers) out and see what your sources have to say? Thanks, mate. It's all very true. Indeed, it can all be done by mail...you don't even have to go to India to get the analysis done. Just send a certified check for $5,000.00 made out to cash to: Shemp McGurk Quick Getaway Hotel Tijuana, Mexico To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TM is not that unique in its process. It is called yogic meditation in other circles. The actual use of the bijas particularly without OM is what is considered unorthodox. From what I've seen of how people describe other purportedly simple and easy meditation techniques, very few are actually simple and easy. All that says is you haven't seen very much. Hence my term spirituality sheltered. It really IS pretty amazing, isn't it? This entire group of people who have never tried any other technique of meditation or self discovery but TM, many of whom have been too afraid even to *read* about any other technique but TM, and yet they consider themselves authoritative about the subject of meditation as a whole. It's one of the things that keeps me fascinated by TMers, after all this time. I mean, you've been around the spiritual block a bit, right? Have you *ever* encountered any other group that knows as little as your standard TMer or TM teacher and yet believes that they know so much? I keep coming back to the teaching analogy that Maharishi used to use, in my opinion ironically. He used to speak about the kid who goes to his first day of school and learns A, B and C and then comes back and teaches his siblings A, B and C, because that's all he knows. As far as I can tell, the entire range of know- ledge I ever read or was exposed to in the TM movement was just that -- A, B and C. Since leaving the TM movement and spending almost 30 years doing a lot of reading in other traditions, and studying directly with teachers who cover the subjects that can't be written down, I've probably encountered only seven or eight more letters of the alphabet. In this lifetime I'll never learn even a *fraction* of the knowledge that is out there. But at the same time I've come to realize that (in my opinion) Maharishi himself was always seriously light in the loafers in terms of how much *he* knew. I honestly think that *he* was aware of only A, B and C, and knew little or nothing about the other spiritual letters of the alphabet, the other 90% of the body of spiritual knowledge. His genius, if it could be called that, was to convince stupid Westerners that he knew more than he did, and to keep repeating endless variations of A, B and C for forty years. Doing this, he *not only* convinced most of the people listening that they were hearing the entire alphabet of spiritual knowledge, but *also* convinced them that *they* knew more than seekers from any other tradition. He kept people SO spiritually sheltered and isolated that they never could become exposed to anyone who could tell them, Hey, I've listened to the stuff you talk about, and you never seem to get past A, B and C...don't you KNOW that there are other letters? He created an environment in which fear of drifting off the program was so strong that most of his followers don't even have any *curiosity* about learning more; they're that convinced that they already know everything that is worth learning. It's a truly amazing accomplishment, in a strange sort of way... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: [...] Who they? Annoop Chandola was taught to meditate by Swami Shantananda Saraswati, and he's under the impression that he learned TM or something extremely similar to it. TM is not that unique in its process. It is called yogic meditation in other circles. The actual use of the bijas particularly without OM is what is considered unorthodox. From what I've seen of how people describe other purportedly simple and easy meditatio techniques, very few are actually simple and easy. All that says is you haven't seen very much. Hence my term spirituality sheltered. That might be. However, one prominent exponent of the technique of Buddhist meditation that Vaj characterizes as effortless admonishes people to be vigilant in not letting oneself fall asleep or getting lst in thoughts, which to me, is a form of effort and control... Am I to ignore his own description of what he teaches? BTW, the people whom I *DO* trust to get it ala TM say things like the Way that can be spoken is not the Constant Way. Maharishi doesn't describe TM in detail either, and TM teachers are taught to be vague in describing TM in order to avoid putting expectations on people, or such is what I surmise as the reason why every official description of TM is vague: you can't really describe the practice of TM and to try actually risks destroying the practice both for the person hearing the description AND for the person attempting to make the description. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pope's speech on Faith and reason ( Theocracy Vs. Democracy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more on the Pope's hypocrisy and stupidity: http://www.slate.com/id/2149863/nav/tap1/ Smartly done. If akk tge works to cite and all the words to quote from that specific work he chose, he chose those words from that book. They obviously reflect his own attitudes about Islam vs Christianity, no matter how hypocritical they may be. Of course, dare I point out the contraditory and psychotic childhood background of our current Pope as a reason for why his reasoning and speech is so bizarre and contradictory? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guys: who would you rather be molested by?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, larry.potter larry.potter@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Think back to when you were a 14-year-old. Suppose your teacher put the moves on you. Who would you rather it be: Andrea Dworkin? You made a very clear point here. lol however even a golden gun kills, she could have done some serious emotional damage to a young aged boy. How? the boy is too young, not emotionally developed enough, hence can be emotionally manipulated ,developed dependency, deteriorate into depression, drugs and so on. of course it also depends on the specific personality and his emotional stance. to some boys it could boost their false ego. (years ago kids got married when they were 13 y.o in some cultures, but that's different situation from being molested ) I can only speak for myself but if a 26-year-old that looked like Debra Lafave had had sex with me when I was 14, it would have done a world of good for my self-esteem. When it occured she was 23 and he was 14. My hot 34 year old neighbor (my friend's mother!) tried to put the moves on me when I was 14. My mother picked-up the vibes from her and prevented it from happening. Screwing my friends mom would have put a bit of a kink in the psyche of a 14 year old. 2 years later, when I was 16 she tried it again but I wasn't interested because I was already sexual with age appropriate girls. So, you discriminate based on age? Age and maturity, are obvious cireteria to use in discriminating in this context. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] When are you *ever* going to see a Nablus showing up for a course, or a Sparaig, or a Peter Klutz, or a Judy Stein? They just talk. That's all they'll EVER do. Even now, when someone is willing to *pay* them to put their walk where their talk is and go on a course, they won't do it. They'll just talk. Heh. You don't know me or anyone else who hasn't gone on the course. Do you have children, Unc? Do you have children with severe medical problems who potentially require daily attention and supervision? I do. Besides, given that I'm on medication for mental problems myself, I am not sure that it would be healthy for me to participate, even if I could leave my home without repurcussions for my family. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I'll jump in here, not for the sake of being argumentative, but just to relate my experience. I became a teacher much later than all of you pioneers, so I cannot speak to what you might have been told on your courses. Nor am I speaking about the lack of integrity in the TMO that is so evident and definitely involves lying as in the pandit project, as in bold-faced promising recerts they would be paid as two of the most recent examples. I remain unconvinced on that point. Importing someone to cook for someone else is a very dodgey thing. There's no way to justify it using any of the green card/student visa things that I am aware of. It's conceivable that a private individual or someone on a dipolmatic passport can bring their own cook, but that's entirely different than what is going on in the case of the pundits. [...] I think it's a lot more difficult these days to teach TM without lying because everything a teacher says is belied by the lack of integrity of the organization. Where at one time, the organization could gain credence, plausibility, and a certain amount of leeway from the success of the techniques (which was, after all, what kept so many going in spite of the TMO), now the credibility of the technique(s) suffers becasue of the idiocy and lack of ethics of the organization. Idiocy, perhaps, but lack of ethics? Which context? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] When are you *ever* going to see a Nablus showing up for a course, or a Sparaig, or a Peter Klutz, or a Judy Stein? They just talk. That's all they'll EVER do. Even now, when someone is willing to *pay* them to put their walk where their talk is and go on a course, they won't do it. They'll just talk. Heh. You don't know me or anyone else who hasn't gone on the course. Do you have children, Unc? Do you have children with severe medical problems who potentially require daily attention and supervision? I do. Besides, given that I'm on medication for mental problems myself, I am not sure that it would be healthy for me to participate, even if I could leave my home without repurcussions for my family. Everyone has their excuses for why they didn't really walk the walk of their spiritual talk. The thing is, some of us are aware that that's all they are -- excuses. You chose your priorities in life. Cool. But don't expected to be treated like someone who has paid his dues in the spiritual world if you never have. And don't expect to be treated as someone who is knowledgeable about meditation when you have only practiced one beginner's technique of meditation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- 'Shhhhh...(Let's make a deal!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) TMO sleazy, or in some cases simply hardball business methods (not a crime, and done by many businesses -- MMY was a very hard and creative negotiator -- a postive trait in many businesses) is quite a different thing from what TM / SIMS teachers were taught to do when teaching. The latter is what I understand is the issue. Becasue MMY negotiated hard for hotels and vegetables (some funny stories), and later some real deceit and scams occurred on the organizational / Int'l levels, is not support for the assertion that SIMS teachers were systematically taught how to lie in their teaching intro courses. That's what I think; like originally I heard, that when they bought the original college property there, in FF; That the asking price was around: $12-13 million. Much of it was past bills as the old Parsons College, left a huge debt, to the town, and the property was becoming an overgrown weedy eye-sore, for FF. So, I believe, Maharishi negotiated a price for the University property of around $2 million. Good Deal!!, I'd say... Also, it is a tradition in India, to always 'negotiate' the best deal possible; almost like it is stupid, not to think of 'all ways', to get a better deal; Almost, like if you feel you have 'good karma'; And something comes your way; You let the 'bad karma', of the seller; Work to your benefit... I think that's the psychology behind these negotiating tactics. R.G. Most older cutlures believe in hard bargaining at all levels. It's only the post-industrial cultures, where you can assign a definite value to cost of goods, where this practice no longer makes sense. And real estate is problably an exception, even then. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pope's speech on Faith and reason ( Theocracy Vs. Democracy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So, yes, there are 'Enlightened Kings, or Rajas' And yes, there are evil dictators, bent on destruction. Big difference, wouldn't you agree? R.G. The question arises: how do you tell the difference? The second question, how do you ensure that the offspring are equally benevolent, assume that their parents are? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Numa Numa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Off.world posted a link to a 4-minute home-made video made by a 20- year-old girl in California that is on youtube. Well, I'm addicted. I've seen it now about 10 times and will go back for more. You must see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JbSj9L6YENR Bah, there are plenty of videos of MUCH higher quality out there. It is precisely because it is not polished and high quality which makes it better than that kind of thing. It is hard to explain why, but it is VERY important that the video I posted is exactly the way it is...rough, amateur, and niave. The CGSociety URL I gave contains videos from all levels: commercial, professional, student, rank amaeteur. Not all the cmmoercial ones got 5 star and someof the rank- amateur ones did. BTW, I'm willing to bet that the video you cited was inspired by the Bugrom video. It's quite famous amongst anime viewers, which this girl obviously is. And even rough, amateur and naive can have differing levels of sophistication and production quality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Whereabouts of Trump's new project?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice use of Flash! Yeah, but the music sucks, IMO... Sorry, it's also available in English: http://www.levi.fi/pages/flash/en/flash.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: OK, I'll jump in here, not for the sake of being argumentative, but just to relate my experience. I became a teacher much later than all of you pioneers, so I cannot speak to what you might have been told on your courses. What I, as a student, heard from TM teachers conforms precisely to your description of what you were told to teach. Eeven allowing for Barry coming from a different era (I learned in 73), the business about not teaching unless the student kneels isn't something that even makes sense. When I went back to MUM/MIU in the mid-80's for a course, someone from Spielberg's (Lucas's?) studio had brought an experimental 3D video camera and wanted to film the Puja for MMY. They passed out flowers and started filming. I bowed my head respectfully with hands in the namaste form and then noticed that everyone else in the entire room-- with no exceptions (about 2000+ people since it was on oe of the larger courses)-- had fully kowtowed with head to floor. I glanced all the way around the room, threw my arms up at the ceiling dramatically and shrugged and knelt down... ..the next day, at another meeting, they passed the flowers around to everyone again, explaining that due to a camera glitch they needed to refilm part of the Puja. They instructed us all to stand respectfully as they did the retake. I find it hard to believe that ANY TM teacher was ever instructed to require his/her students to kneel or they wouldn't be taught, not even the Indian ones teaching in India. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pope's speech on Faith and reason ( Theocracy Vs. Democracy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The difference in the Islamic countries, is the lack of tolerance; Of anything, other than, what 'They' say is Islamic; And 'death' to anyone who does not, 'believe'. Typical fascism to me. Superior race? yeah right... So, I don't really think you can compare the atmosphere in Canada; To Iran, or Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or any other Islamic country. If there is one; then that should be a model; But I really can't think of one. Can you? R.G. The difference is that many of the Islamic countries are stuck in cultural modes from centuries ago due to recovering from centuries of colonial rule. The USA wrote separation of church and state into its Constitution 200+ years ago, and in fact, most modern countries took some portion of their own stance on religion and church directly from it. Even some Islamic countries. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 2006, at 8:00 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: I've heard about thispolicy numerous times. What I don't understand is why nobody ever threatened to sue the SOBs. That's deception, pure and simple. Sal I used the word 'attorney' in a letter about an ATR credit refund and it got me blacklisted from courses for around 10 years even though I was a center chairman the whole time. I did get the money national promised me though. Yep, words like that usually work wonders with people intending to deceive. Sal Of course, did the Powers That Be at the national level actually pocket the money themselves or did they make a hard-nosed business decision based on economic factors and the financial state of the TMO and what they thought they could get away with due to the good will of most TM teachers? That doesn't excuse what they did, but explains it in terms of [what they perceived of as] the higher good, rather than mere greed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Numa Numa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Off.world posted a link to a 4-minute home-made video made by a 20- year-old girl in California that is on youtube. Well, I'm addicted. I've seen it now about 10 times and will go back for more. You must see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JbSj9L6YENR Bah, there are plenty of videos of MUCH higher quality out there. Go to http://tinyurl.com/kuppj which is the finished work animation forum. Anything with several stars next to it is generally topnotch. For your convenience the URL is sorted by reader-rating. On the web, in general, you have things like this which is one of my all time favorites (as well as one of the most popular animations on the web):: Jinai and the Bugrom: LIVE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3WK_5qHGPU Jeezuz ! !. Sparegg !!! I KNOW you are a bright, and intelligent, creative, guy, with SO MUCH to offer the world. But !!!.. ...A true friend needs to tell you like it is (to help you) ... ...THAT ! ! !. has got to be one of the most fvcked up, non human, superficial peices of SHITE that has ever been made ! ...And it stars freakin' reprobates with samll penises !.FYUCKK ! ! Are you for real !??? Or are you playin' muthafukin' electirc dildo personage here?!!! I don't believe it.you are bigger than that.please ! ! .I NEED it to be so ! ! ! OffWorld Ask the author of the video you so like what she thinks of Jinai and the Burom: LIVE! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis Blues Video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my hat for the music video ring. It took me a while to ride my video software to pull this off. Check it out: http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm Very nice work with harmoica and guitar. Took me back to The Cup Coffehouse in the early 70s (where Linda Ronstadt got her start). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] When are you *ever* going to see a Nablus showing up for a course, or a Sparaig, or a Peter Klutz, or a Judy Stein? They just talk. That's all they'll EVER do. Even now, when someone is willing to *pay* them to put their walk where their talk is and go on a course, they won't do it. They'll just talk. Heh. You don't know me or anyone else who hasn't gone on the course. Do you have children, Unc? Do you have children with severe medical problems who potentially require daily attention and supervision? I do. Besides, given that I'm on medication for mental problems myself, I am not sure that it would be healthy for me to participate, even if I could leave my home without repurcussions for my family. Everyone has their excuses for why they didn't really walk the walk of their spiritual talk. The thing is, some of us are aware that that's all they are -- excuses. You chose your priorities in life. Cool. But don't expected to be treated like someone who has paid his dues in the spiritual world if you never have. And don't expect to be treated as someone who is knowledgeable about meditation when you have only practiced one beginner's technique of meditation. Heh. I don't think anyone is knowledgeable about TM, even MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fred's thalamic lecture
This is Fred Travis's lecture. He had to use his own slides. I'll get the brain 3D-ized eventaully and he'll use it later on. Hopefully my animation will give him a way of making a more sophsticated presentation presentable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l41mBbn4ho To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Lynch mini-review
http://www.timeout.com/film/news/1402.html David Lynch came to Venice with his first film in over five years, and 'Inland Empire' makes 'Mulholland Dr' look like an episode of a daytime soap. Again, there's a nightmare vision of Hollywood at its heart, but this is a darker, even more obscure beast. More Lynchian (ie, confusing, terrifying and sexually and psychologically icky) than anything the director has made, the film stands as one long (three hours) developing nightmare and exists entirely at the level of the subconscious. Frankly, it's hard to watch. Plot is near impossible to decipher. We gather that Laura Dern is an actress employed to make a film with director Jeremy Irons and co-star Justin Theroux, yet the lines between 'reality', the film-within-the-film and her past begin blurred and become indistinguishable. We witness men with donkey-heads. We see wannabe-actresses, all crop tops and fake tits, dancing 'The Locomotion'. Frustrations aside, its mysterious mood is certainly piercing and the film demands a second-viewing Ā if only to determine what the hell happened the first time round. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: OK, I'll jump in here, not for the sake of being argumentative, but just to relate my experience. I became a teacher much later than all of you pioneers, so I cannot speak to what you might have been told on your courses. What I, as a student, heard from TM teachers conforms precisely to your description of what you were told to teach. Eeven allowing for Barry coming from a different era (I learned in 73), the business about not teaching unless the student kneels isn't something that even makes sense. When I went back to MUM/MIU in the mid-80's for a course, someone from Spielberg's (Lucas's?) studio had brought an experimental 3D video camera and wanted to film the Puja for MMY. They passed out flowers and started filming. I bowed my head respectfully with hands in the namaste form and then noticed that everyone else in the entire room-- with no exceptions (about 2000+ people since it was on oe of the larger courses)-- had fully kowtowed with head to floor. I glanced all the way around the room, threw my arms up at the ceiling dramatically and shrugged and knelt down... ..the next day, at another meeting, they passed the flowers around to everyone again, explaining that due to a camera glitch they needed to refilm part of the Puja. They instructed us all to stand respectfully as they did the retake. I find it hard to believe that ANY TM teacher was ever instructed to require his/her students to kneel or they wouldn't be taught, not even the Indian ones teaching in India. I became a teacher in '73 and it was irrelevant whether the student stood, kneeled or laughed at that end of the puja. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Invicible America Scholarships, acccounting for the trust issue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays Donating a million per month. That is extremely generous of this guy. What sort of accounting controls do you think he put on the money this time? -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis Blues Video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my hat for the music video ring. It took me a while to ride my video software to pull this off. Check it out: http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm Very nice. I'm not a big blues afficionado, but my next-door neighbor is. He's got a collection of maybe 10,000 78s, plays several instruments, and performs music of the 20s through the 40s himself. Anyway, he came over to return a DVD I'd lent him and heard this playing and commented that he liked it a lot. That's a real compliment...in general he doesn't like anything recorded since the 30s. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Invicible America Scholarships, acccounting for the trust issue
I don't know if I could do an 8 hour program anymore. You? --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays Donating a million per month. That is extremely generous of this guy. What sort of accounting controls do you think he put on the money this time? -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships, acccounting for the trust issue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays Donating a million per month. That is extremely generous of this guy. What sort of accounting controls do you think he put on the money this time? His company owns the Peace Palaces in 2 cities. He just lets teh TMO use them for free, or greatly reduced rents. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: sparaig wrote: [...] Who they? Annoop Chandola was taught to meditate by Swami Shantananda Saraswati, and he's under the impression that he learned TM or something extremely similar to it. TM is not that unique in its process. It is called yogic meditation in other circles. The actual use of the bijas particularly without OM is what is considered unorthodox. From what I've seen of how people describe other purportedly simple and easy meditatio techniques, very few are actually simple and easy. All that says is you haven't seen very much. Hence my term spirituality sheltered. That might be. However, one prominent exponent of the technique of Buddhist meditation that Vaj characterizes as effortless admonishes people to be vigilant in not letting oneself fall asleep or getting lst in thoughts, which to me, is a form of effort and control... Actually--as with TM where an effort must be taken to sit down to meditate and close eyes, maintain mindfullness to return to mantra, etc., etc.--the first stages of Shamatha (which is what I assume you are talking of) do also require effort/attention. This is typical of most intro meditation techniques and McMeditation techniques like TM are no different. *Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* The higher stages of Shamatha practice are truly effortless in the yogic sense of that word: one decides how long to rest in samadhi and then emerges from samadhi at the end of the session. Unless you are actually familiar with the depth and breadth of meditation praxis experientially, this will not be obvious to you. So your above statement is incorrect--spiritually sheltered it would seem. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis Blues Video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my hat for the music video ring. It took me a while to ride my video software to pull this off. Check it out: http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm I guess I gots to replace my NT4(!) with XP or somesuch to see that... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So any who disagree will be lying? There is another possiblity. Wanna guess what that is? Thanks for pitching in Turq. As we both know, there are no number of examples that will be considered proof. And if one believer teacher comes up to lie to protect daddy MMY, that will be considered the final word. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
On Sep 19, 2006, at 11:08 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 2006, at 8:00 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: I've heard about thispolicy numerous times. What I don't understand is why nobody ever threatened to sue the SOBs. That's deception, pure and simple. Sal I used the word 'attorney' in a letter about an ATR credit refund and it got me blacklisted from courses for around 10 years even though I was a center chairman the whole time. I did get the money national promised me though. Yep, words like that usually work wonders with people intending to deceive. Sal I was naive. Supporting the center out of my own pocket. I had a signed agreement with the TMO for the return of ATR credit in cash. I fulfilled my obligation and they did not want to fulfill theirs. It was a friendly letter. They wanted to keep the refund that they promised, and keep the income that the local center generated. They were spiteful and coercive. They accepted everyone I sent to TTC, siddhis, advanced techniques etc, but I could not get on a residence course. I went an advanced technique. I was there first, but they taught about 300 before me, saying that they could not verify that I was a meditator. Even though they were teaching people that I initiated. At the end of a long day *my* initiator walked in and they finally taught me last. I stopped applying to courses after that. About 10 years later they asked me to come to a DC course and I told 'em I wanted an acceptance in writing, in advance. They actually sent it. By then, they just wanted the money. All this over $1100. Quite a lesson for me at the time. I'm glad you got your credit redeemed, John, sorry that it took such an effort and that you were treated so shabbily. Experiences like yours pretty are pretty much along the lines of others I have heard of throughout the years. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis Blues Video
And a very fine hat it is! Thanks Curtis. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my hat for the music video ring. It took me a while to ride my video software to pull this off. Check it out: http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] When are you *ever* going to see a Nablus showing up for a course, or a Sparaig, or a Peter Klutz, or a Judy Stein? They just talk. That's all they'll EVER do. Even now, when someone is willing to *pay* them to put their walk where their talk is and go on a course, they won't do it. They'll just talk. Heh. You don't know me or anyone else who hasn't gone on the course. Do you have children, Unc? Do you have children with severe medical problems who potentially require daily attention and supervision? I do. Besides, given that I'm on medication for mental problems myself, I am not sure that it would be healthy for me to participate, even if I could leave my home without repurcussions for my family. Everyone has their excuses for why they didn't really walk the walk of their spiritual talk. The thing is, some of us are aware that that's all they are -- excuses. You chose your priorities in life. Cool. But don't expected to be treated like someone who has paid his dues in the spiritual world if you never have. That would be dues in the spiritual world as defined by Barry's Rules. There are, of course--according to Barry--no other ways to pay your dues in the spiritual world except those he defines as such. And don't expect to be treated as someone who is knowledgeable about meditation when you have only practiced one beginner's technique of meditation. As defined by Barry's Rules, of course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I find it hard to believe that ANY TM teacher was ever instructed to require his/her students to kneel or they wouldn't be taught, not even the Indian ones teaching in India. I'm also wondering what the instructions could have been for implementing this rule. What would the teacher say to the prospective student at this point? What would happen if the student objected to being told s/he wasn't going to be taught? There must have been a whole script for dealing with the situation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Numa Numa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Off.world posted a link to a 4-minute home-made video made by a 20- year-old girl in California that is on youtube. Well, I'm addicted. I've seen it now about 10 times and will go back for more. You must see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f- JbSj9L6YENR Bah, there are plenty of videos of MUCH higher quality out there. It is precisely because it is not polished and high quality which makes it better than that kind of thing. It is hard to explain why, but it is VERY important that the video I posted is exactly the way it is...rough, amateur, and niave. The CGSociety URL I gave contains videos from all levels: commercial, professional, student, rank amaeteur. Not all the cmmoercial ones got 5 star and someof the rank- amateur ones did. BTW, I'm willing to bet that the video you cited was inspired by the Bugrom video. It's quite famous amongst anime viewers, which this girl obviously is. And even rough, amateur and naive can have differing levels of sophistication and production quality. Mozart's greatest symphony may have been inspired from a druken night out on the town, but that does not make it less than it is. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Numa Numa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Off.world posted a link to a 4-minute home-made video made by a 20- year-old girl in California that is on youtube. Well, I'm addicted. I've seen it now about 10 times and will go back for more. You must see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f- JbSj9L6YENR Bah, there are plenty of videos of MUCH higher quality out there. Go to http://tinyurl.com/kuppj which is the finished work animation forum. Anything with several stars next to it is generally topnotch. For your convenience the URL is sorted by reader-rating. On the web, in general, you have things like this which is one of my all time favorites (as well as one of the most popular animations on the web):: Jinai and the Bugrom: LIVE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3WK_5qHGPU Jeezuz ! !. Sparegg !!! I KNOW you are a bright, and intelligent, creative, guy, with SO MUCH to offer the world. But !!!.. ...A true friend needs to tell you like it is (to help you) ... ...THAT ! ! !. has got to be one of the most fvcked up, non human, superficial peices of SHITE that has ever been made ! ...And it stars freakin' reprobates with samll penises !.FYUCKK ! ! Are you for real !??? Or are you playin' muthafukin' electirc dildo personage here?!!! I don't believe it.you are bigger than that.please ! ! .I NEED it to be so ! ! ! OffWorld Ask the author of the video you so like what she thinks of Jinai and the Burom: LIVE! Just because Picasso painted Geurnica does not mean I have to dislike his Blue period. Just because the Beatles did Bang Bang Maxwell's Silver Hammer does not make me dislike Hey Jude...or visa versa. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pope's speech on Faith and reason ( Theocracy Vs. Democracy)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: more on the Pope's hypocrisy and stupidity: http://www.slate.com/id/2149863/nav/tap1/ Smartly done. If akk tge works to cite and all the words to quote from that specific work he chose, he chose those words from that book. They obviously reflect his own attitudes about Islam vs Christianity, no matter how hypocritical they may be. A different view (and a far more thoughtful one than that of Hitchens, IMHO, whether right or wrong), from a diary on the blog DailyKos: Manuel II spoke from the prejudices of his time and from the limitations of his understanding when, in conversation with his Muslim companion, he said Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached. In quoting him, the Pope knew full well that this was a deeply flawed conversation; he characterized Manuel's speech as startlingly brusque, which is just diplomacy-speak for incredibly rude. What is crucial to understand is that the Pope chose this conversation not because of Manuel's flawed and bigoted view of Islam, but precisely because --however flawed -- it was a conversation. The Pope chose to comment on an ancient conversation between West and East precisely because the modern West, in his estimation, *has lost the ability even to carry on this kind of conversation*. The Cardinal Ratzinger who struggled mightily to help the Catholic Church come to terms with its violent past in 2000, now six years later wants to help the West talk about violence again. And he finds that it is not the Muslims who cannot talk about it, *but contemporary Western society* that cannot talk about it. Why not? Because contemporary Western society cannot do what Muslim societies are able to do; contemporary Western culture cannot reconcile *reason* with *faith*. The Pope's speech at Regensberg was an impassioned plea to the West to recover the union of reason and faith so as to be able to talk to cultures --such as Islam -- that unite reason with faith. Far from criticizing Muslims, at Regensberg Pope Benedict was aligning himself with them What is really unfortunate isn't that Pope Benedict reached back to a flawed and bigoted 12th century conversation in order to have a context for speaking about religious violence today. What is unfortunate is that he *had* to. For centuries, the West refused to talk to Islam at all, because we didn't share the same faith. Now, we've lost even the ability to talk to Islam, and we've lost that ability because we don't share a belief in faith itself -- a belief that is central to Islamic culture. Unless we reclaim the ability to talk about faith without sneering, we will insult Muslims at the very core of their culture, at the very core of their existence. In that state of insult, there can be no peace. What Pope Benedict is saying, is this: It is the insistence that faith has no part in a modern and rational world, that is the hobgoblin of little minds. [emphases in original] See an earlier post from me on this topic with the URL to the full diary. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually--as with TM where an effort must be taken to sit down to meditate and close eyes, maintain mindfullness to return to mantra, etc., etc. The first effort--sitting down and closing the eyes--is irrelevant in this context. The second--maintain mindfulness to return to mantra--doesn't exist in TM, done properly. And who the heck knows what etc., etc. refers to here. Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* Of course, it's never been established that what he said at Estes Park ever acknowledged any such thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis Blues Video
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Here is my hat for the music video ring. It took me a while to ride my video software to pull this off. Check it out: http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm I guess I gots to replace my NT4(!) with XP or somesuch to see that... You need to have Quicktime installed, and it won't work on NT4: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html Windows Minimum Requirements * A Pentium processor-based PC or compatible computer * At least 128MB of RAM * Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 or XP My advice: go with Win2000. It performs better than XP on older, slower hardware, and it's remarkably robust for a M$FT OS. I used it on this machine up until a month or so ago, when I finally switched to XP because I was encountering too much multimedia content requiring WMP 10. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis Blues Video
Thanks Spraig. Linda was sooo hot back in the day... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Here is my hat for the music video ring. It took me a while to ride my video software to pull this off. Check it out: http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm Very nice work with harmoica and guitar. Took me back to The Cup Coffehouse in the early 70s (where Linda Ronstadt got her start). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip This entire group of people who have never tried any other technique of meditation or self discovery but TM, many of whom have been too afraid even to *read* about any other technique but TM, and yet they consider themselves authoritative about the subject of meditation as a whole. None of whom, of course, are participants on this forum, given that many of the discussions here are about other techniques. snip He kept people SO spiritually sheltered and isolated that they never could become exposed to anyone who could tell them, Hey, I've listened to the stuff you talk about, and you never seem to get past A, B and C...don't you KNOW that there are other letters? Note the hidden and unquestioned assumption here that in a series, such as the alphabet, the full series is of greater value than its initial elements by themselves. That's true, of course, in the case of the alphabet, but the metaphor may be seriously flawed when applied to the basis for techniques of awakening. As to lack of exposure, some of us have chosen to expose ourselves, outside the TM context, to a fairly wide range of what people say about the other letters. On the basis of our own experiential and intellectual understanding, we have concluded that D, E, F, etc., not only do not add anything to A, B, and C, but actually detract from the understanding (experiential as well as intellectual) of the fundamental nature and mechanics of consciousness. We think these additional letters represent a failure to grasp the significance and ramifications of A, B, and C and thus don't represent progress at all, they represent a *less* complete and, in some cases, downright incorrect understanding. A more appropriate metaphor might be the series that begins with elementary particles and ends with apparently solid objects. If knowledge of solid objects is not grounded in knowledge of elementary particles, it's not only incomplete, it's wrong, since the solidity of these objects is only apparent, not real. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis Blues Video
Thanks HermandanO! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a very fine hat it is! Thanks Curtis. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Here is my hat for the music video ring. It took me a while to ride my video software to pull this off. Check it out: http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Curtis Blues Video
Thanks for passing this on about your blues friend. As a collector of 78 he really is into this style! If he has anything out that I can hear please pass it on. Chicago blues took over the scene so he and I are into a dying art. For me the personal solo style is more direct emotionally than the electric bands that came after. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Here is my hat for the music video ring. It took me a while to ride my video software to pull this off. Check it out: http://www.curtisblues.com/videos.htm Very nice. I'm not a big blues afficionado, but my next-door neighbor is. He's got a collection of maybe 10,000 78s, plays several instruments, and performs music of the 20s through the 40s himself. Anyway, he came over to return a DVD I'd lent him and heard this playing and commented that he liked it a lot. That's a real compliment...in general he doesn't like anything recorded since the 30s. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Whereabouts of Trump's new project?
Yeah, but the music sucks, IMO... It is right out of a 70's porno movie! (not that I would know) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Nice use of Flash! Sorry, it's also available in English: http://www.levi.fi/pages/flash/en/flash.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Linda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Spraig. Linda was sooo hot back in the day... I happend to see a clip of her, early in her career, doing a country/folk classic type song that was able to showcase the strength and beauty of her voice. I am guessing when she was 20 or so. She was incredibly vibrant and glowing. And her voice in ther era! (and of course later, but this seemed to be the pristine, total thing, even more than her later work.) As Nelson Riddle --- who worked with her on several alblums, said of her, She really has the pipes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Very nice work with harmoica and guitar. Took me back to The Cup Coffehouse in the early 70s (where Linda Ronstadt got her start). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Linda
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Spraig. Linda was sooo hot back in the day... I happend to see a clip of her, early in her career, doing a country/folk classic type song that was able to showcase the strength and beauty of her voice. I am guessing when she was 20 or so. She was incredibly vibrant and glowing. And her voice in ther era! (and of course later, but this seemed to be the pristine, total thing, even more than her later work.) As Nelson Riddle --- who worked with her on several alblums, said of her, She really has the pipes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Very nice work with harmoica and guitar. Took me back to The Cup Coffehouse in the early 70s (where Linda Ronstadt got her start). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] effortlessness
trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 snip Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* Of course, it's never been established that what he said at Estes Park ever acknowledged any such thing. I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, but Maharishi was quite clear that there is some doing in the thinking/picking up of the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick up the mantra is qualified by saying effortlessy or as effortessly as a thought comes. Of course one is thinking and of course thinking is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of effort on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in calling it subtle effort becaue of that doing. To misunderstand this puts one in the position of a meditator I once encountered who asked What happens if you sit there for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come? Duh. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: OK, I'll jump in here, not for the sake of being argumentative, but just to relate my experience. I became a teacher much later than all of you pioneers, so I cannot speak to what you might have been told on your courses. What I, as a student, heard from TM teachers conforms precisely to your description of what you were told to teach. Eeven allowing for Barry coming from a different era (I learned in 73), the business about not teaching unless the student kneels isn't something that even makes sense. When I went back to MUM/MIU in the mid-80's for a course, someone from Spielberg's (Lucas's?) studio had brought an experimental 3D video camera and wanted to film the Puja for MMY. They passed out flowers and started filming. I bowed my head respectfully with hands in the namaste form and then noticed that everyone else in the entire room-- with no exceptions (about 2000+ people since it was on oe of the larger courses)-- had fully kowtowed with head to floor. I glanced all the way around the room, threw my arms up at the ceiling dramatically and shrugged and knelt down... ..the next day, at another meeting, they passed the flowers around to everyone again, explaining that due to a camera glitch they needed to refilm part of the Puja. They instructed us all to stand respectfully as they did the retake. I find it hard to believe that ANY TM teacher was ever instructed to require his/her students to kneel or they wouldn't be taught, not even the Indian ones teaching in India. I became a teacher in '73 and it was irrelevant whether the student stood, kneeled or laughed at that end of the puja. I have initiated some Indian to TM. After the Puja I was standing, and they were kneeling. Ingegerd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 19, 2006, at 11:08 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Sep 19, 2006, at 8:00 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: I've heard about thispolicy numerous times. What I don't understand is why nobody ever threatened to sue the SOBs. That's deception, pure and simple. Sal I used the word 'attorney' in a letter about an ATR credit refund and it got me blacklisted from courses for around 10 years even though I was a center chairman the whole time. I did get the money national promised me though. Yep, words like that usually work wonders with people intending to deceive. Sal I was naive. Supporting the center out of my own pocket. I had a signed agreement with the TMO for the return of ATR credit in cash. I fulfilled my obligation and they did not want to fulfill theirs. It was a friendly letter. They wanted to keep the refund that they promised, and keep the income that the local center generated. They were spiteful and coercive. They accepted everyone I sent to TTC, siddhis, advanced techniques etc, but I could not get on a residence course. I went an advanced technique. I was there first, but they taught about 300 before me, saying that they could not verify that I was a meditator. Even though they were teaching people that I initiated. At the end of a long day *my* initiator walked in and they finally taught me last. I stopped applying to courses after that. About 10 years later they asked me to come to a DC course and I told 'em I wanted an acceptance in writing, in advance. They actually sent it. By then, they just wanted the money. All this over $1100. Quite a lesson for me at the time. I'm glad you got your credit redeemed, John, sorry that it took such an effort and that you were treated so shabbily. Experiences like yours pretty are pretty much along the lines of others I have heard of throughout the years. Sal Helped crack me open in the end. I believed too easily. Something will replace TM or it will resurrect itself into something practical and useful later I know my experience was typical (as sad as that is). JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip This entire group of people who have never tried any other technique of meditation or self discovery but TM, many of whom have been too afraid even to *read* about any other technique but TM, and yet they consider themselves authoritative about the subject of meditation as a whole. None of whom, of course, are participants on this forum, given that many of the discussions here are about other techniques. snip He kept people SO spiritually sheltered and isolated that they never could become exposed to anyone who could tell them, Hey, I've listened to the stuff you talk about, and you never seem to get past A, B and C...don't you KNOW that there are other letters? Note the hidden and unquestioned assumption here that in a series, such as the alphabet, the full series is of greater value than its initial elements by themselves. That's true, of course, in the case of the alphabet, but the metaphor may be seriously flawed when applied to the basis for techniques of awakening. As to lack of exposure, some of us have chosen to expose ourselves, outside the TM context, to a fairly wide range of what people say about the other letters. On the basis of our own experiential and intellectual understanding, we have concluded that D, E, F, etc., not only do not add anything to A, B, and C, but actually detract from the understanding (experiential as well as intellectual) of the fundamental nature and mechanics of consciousness. We think these additional letters represent a failure to grasp the significance and ramifications of A, B, and C and thus don't represent progress at all, they represent a *less* complete and, in some cases, downright incorrect understanding. A more appropriate metaphor might be the series that begins with elementary particles and ends with apparently solid objects. If knowledge of solid objects is not grounded in knowledge of elementary particles, it's not only incomplete, it's wrong, since the solidity of these objects is only apparent, not real. The ultimate form of this enforced ignorance I'm talking about, of course, Except, of course, as I pointed out, some of us have never paid any attention to the recommendation not to explore other traditions (as if that could ever *be* enforced on those not involved with the TMO). is when someone points out that the diehard TMer really doesn't know very much, they *admit* that they don't know very much, and then they try to make a case for not knowing very much being *superior*, It may be a matter of *what* one knows rather than *how much* one knows, a possibility that Barry's Rules are far too inflexible and doctrinaire even to consider. a position that actually makes them *better* than those who know more than they do. This would appear to be Barry's projection of his own sense of inadequacy, since nobody ever suggested such a thing. It's like listening to the George W. Bushes of spirituality. :-) :-) :-) I see a vastly closer resemblance to Bush-think in the postings of Barry and other True Non- believers than in those of the committed TMers here (in Barry's case, complete with the chronic tendency to promote knowing falsehoods, and the inability to address challenges). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :) Good plan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 snip Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* Of course, it's never been established that what he said at Estes Park ever acknowledged any such thing. I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, but Maharishi was quite clear that there is some doing in the thinking/picking up of the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick up the mantra is qualified by saying effortlessy or as effortessly as a thought comes. Of course one is thinking and of course thinking is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of effort on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in calling it subtle effort becaue of that doing. To misunderstand this puts one in the position of a meditator I once encountered who asked What happens if you sit there for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come? Duh. The thing is, you're speaking to a person who (as far as I can tell) really *lives* in Duh-land. She probably *believes* that if she sat there for 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come that she's actually meditating. :-) The thing is, some people -- fearful types -- got so terrorized by the TM dogma that effort is bad that now they can't admit that there is some subtle effort involved with TM, EVEN WHEN MAHARISHI SAY IT. They hear him saying it and they feel that they have to come up with amazingly outlandish explanations for what he really meant, and how he couldn't *possibly* have been suggesting that TM involves some effort or that effort is good. In other words, for these people the dogma of effortlessness has become more important than the obvious reality of subtle effort. OF COURSE there is some subtle effort in TM. But don't tell the Duh folks here (Sparaig and Judy), because it's MUCH more fun watching them jump through hoops trying to tell everyone that Maharishi didn't really mean what he said, and that they know better. :-) :-) :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 snip Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* Of course, it's never been established that what he said at Estes Park ever acknowledged any such thing. I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, Quoting an earlier post from Vaj: At Estes Park Maharishi pointed out that there really was some effort in TM. He quoted the Vedas as saying, 'Be easy to us with gentle effort.' Obviously we'd need a great deal more context to know whether Maharishi was using this quote to describe TM as involving some effort. Who is being addressed in the quote? It appears to be a request of some kind, but who is making the request, and of whom? And how would one entity making a request of another entity to be easy to us relate to TM? There may be some connection, but it certainly isn't obvious without the context. but Maharishi was quite clear that there is some doing in the thinking/picking up of the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick up the mantra is qualified by saying effortlessy or as effortessly as a thought comes. Of course one is thinking and of course thinking is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. I think there may be a semantic issue here with regard to doing. If, as you say, doing can be effortless, it seems like a distinction without a difference. While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of effort on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in calling it subtle effort becaue of that doing. Well, but is it effortless, as you say, or is it subtle effort? *That* is a distinction that makes a *huge* difference. MMY has also been very clear that even subtle effort interferes with transcending, so again there would appear to be a semantic issue. To misunderstand this puts one in the position of a meditator I once encountered who asked What happens if you sit there for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come? Duh. In my understanding, intentionally picking up the mantra is done only when the mantra does not come on its own. In my experience, the recognition that I am not thinking the mantra arises spontaneously, without any intention or mindfulness; and the mantra is there, also spontaneously, immediately following that recognition. At that point it would require effort *not* to think the mantra. This may not be what occurs for beginning TMers, but I'd suggest that it becomes the case, for most people, at least, after some experience of TM practice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :) Good plan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 snip Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* Of course, it's never been established that what he said at Estes Park ever acknowledged any such thing. I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, but Maharishi was quite clear that there is some doing in the thinking/picking up of the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick up the mantra is qualified by saying effortlessy or as effortessly as a thought comes. Of course one is thinking and of course thinking is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of effort on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in calling it subtle effort becaue of that doing. To misunderstand this puts one in the position of a meditator I once encountered who asked What happens if you sit there for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come? Duh. The thing is, you're speaking to a person who (as far as I can tell) really *lives* in Duh-land. She probably *believes* that if she sat there for 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come that she's actually meditating. :-) Um, no, I certainly don't believe that. The thing is, some people -- fearful types -- got so terrorized by the TM dogma that effort is bad that now they can't admit that there is some subtle effort involved with TM, EVEN WHEN MAHARISHI SAY IT. They hear him saying it and they feel that they have to come up with amazingly outlandish explanations for what he really meant, and how he couldn't *possibly* have been suggesting that TM involves some effort or that effort is good. Quote, please, of MMY saying there is some subtle effort involved with TM, with context. In other words, for these people the dogma of effortlessness has become more important than the obvious reality of subtle effort. OF COURSE there is some subtle effort in TM. But don't tell the Duh folks here (Sparaig and Judy), because it's MUCH more fun watching them jump through hoops trying to tell everyone that Maharishi didn't really mean what he said, and that they know better. :-) :-) :-) Quotes, please, from Lawson's and/or my posts in which we jump through hoops trying to tell everyone that Maharishi didn't mean what he said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] effortlessness
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] effortlessness on 9/20/06 9:16 AM, hermandan0 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , vajradhatu108 snip Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* Of course, it's never been established that what he said at Estes Park ever acknowledged any such thing. I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, He quote some Vedic literature as saying, Be easy to us with gentle effort. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ted Turner- Let Women Run The World...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By Daniel Trotta NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. invasion of Iraq was among the dumbest moves of all time that ranks with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor and the German invasion of Russia, billionaire philanthropist Ted Turner said on Tuesday. POWER TO THE WOMEN One way to reduce such dangers in the world would be to leave women in charge, said the former husband of Jane Fonda. Men should be barred from public office for 100 years in every part of the world... ...so says someone who did not live under 18 years of Margaret (there's no such thing as society) Thatcher. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The thing is, you're speaking to a person who (as far as I can tell) really *lives* in Duh-land. P.S.: Be aware that with Barry, you're speaking to a person who has an amazingly varied supply of fantasies about what TMers think and believe and even what they have said. He has an enormously difficult time distinguishing them from the reality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness on 9/20/06 10:18 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting an earlier post from Vaj: At Estes Park Maharishi pointed out that there really was some effort in TM. He quoted the Vedas as saying, 'Be easy to us with gentle effort.' Obviously we'd need a great deal more context to know whether Maharishi was using this quote to describe TM as involving some effort. Who is being addressed in the quote? It appears to be a request of some kind, but who is making the request, and of whom? And how would one entity making a request of another entity to be easy to us relate to TM? It related to TM. I was there. I had a feeling that Maharishi was experimenting a bit by bringing up the quote. He only mentioned it in one lecture. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Lawson--study you might find of interest
http://polmeth.wustl.edu/retrieve.php?id=640 (PDF file) Alan Gerber and Neil Malhotra, Can political science literatures be believed? A study of publication bias in the APSR and the AJPS To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/20/06 10:18 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting an earlier post from Vaj: At Estes Park Maharishi pointed out that there really was some effort in TM. He quoted the Vedas as saying, 'Be easy to us with gentle effort.' Obviously we'd need a great deal more context to know whether Maharishi was using this quote to describe TM as involving some effort. Who is being addressed in the quote? It appears to be a request of some kind, but who is making the request, and of whom? And how would one entity making a request of another entity to be easy to us relate to TM? It related to TM. *How* did it relate to TM? Can you answer the questions I posed? I was there. I had a feeling that Maharishi was experimenting a bit by bringing up the quote. He only mentioned it in one lecture. Experimenting how? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :) Thanks. I hope all can follow your inspirational example. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 snip Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* Of course, it's never been established that what he said at Estes Park ever acknowledged any such thing. I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, but Maharishi was quite clear that there is some doing in the thinking/picking up of the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick up the mantra is qualified by saying effortlessy or as effortessly as a thought comes. Of course one is thinking and of course thinking is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of effort on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in calling it subtle effort becaue of that doing. To misunderstand this puts one in the position of a meditator I once encountered who asked What happens if you sit there for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come? Duh. In my experience, thoughts come effortlessly. Thus, if one becomes aware of the mantra as easily as one beomes aware of thoughts, there is no effort. This is the domain of the mind. In contrast, the intellect interacts with mind when it deceides it wants thoughts to appear in the mind about a particular topic. The intellect, can and does, make some effort. It can and does often put the mind in a particular room -- the philosophy room, the errands room, the career room, etc. When placed in a particular room, thoughts tend to arise, effortlessly, about the topic area of the room. And sometimes not -- aka daydreaming -- wide open windows in that room to other areas. Or the senses can feed the mind a lot of input, and thoughts arise effortlessly in the mind -- thoughts about the input. The input stimulates thoughts. Related to TM, my view is that when the mind becomes aware, effortless, that the mantra is not there, the intellect says we should think the mantra and puts the mind in the mantra room. That is a very small effort of the intellect (maybe). When in the mantra room, the thought, even if very hazy, of the mantra appears effortlessly in the mind. And sometimes not -- if the windows are wide open (smaksaras), or there is a lot of sensory input which puts the mind in other rooms. Then the cycle repeats, when the mind becomes aware, effortless, that the mantra is not there, the intellect says we should think the mantra and puts the mind in the mantra room So IMO, IME, in TM there is total effortlessness in the domain of the mind. And there is the subtlest of effort in the domain of the intellect. So it is both effortless and minutely effortful. Or maybe there is effort on the part of the intellect, maybe not , as I qualified it before. There is effort in the domain of the intellect, if there is identification with the decision-making function of the intellect. That is, there is effort if there is a feeling, strong sense, I am the decision-maker. Volition is effort. That is, either a sense of being the same as the intellect, or of directing the intellect. In that there is voliton, and in oliton there is effeort -- even if its slight. That is the everyday experience. Until .. Until there is an understanding / foundational perspective / experience / lifeview that the intellect is functioning in its own domain, by its own rules and does not need volition from a me. (See discussion with trinity some months back). This occurs when an indentity with being the decison maker dissolves. So from that clearer, more awakened perspective, there is not even any effort on the part of the intellect. It -- the intellect -- and its processes, just happen. Just as effortlessly as thoughts arise in the mind. When effort is transcended, then the [meditation] process is what it is. It just is. Someone said it would not be meditation if the mantra does not appear, if some subtle effort is not made to go to the mantra. Experience disagrees, at least when effort has been transcended. Eyes close, vastness is. One can transcend on nothingness. Which is a process that I beleive Vaj is refering to: objectless meditation. Though it is paradoxical -- in THAT process, what is transcending what? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :) Thanks. I hope all can follow your inspirational example. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 snip Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* Of course, it's never been established that what he said at Estes Park ever acknowledged any such thing. I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, but Maharishi was quite clear that there is some doing in the thinking/picking up of the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick up the mantra is qualified by saying effortlessy or as effortessly as a thought comes. Of course one is thinking and of course thinking is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of effort on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in calling it subtle effort becaue of that doing. To misunderstand this puts one in the position of a meditator I once encountered who asked What happens if you sit there for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come? Duh. In my experience, thoughts come effortlessly. Thus, if one becomes aware of the mantra as easily as one beomes aware of thoughts, there is no effort. This is the domain of the mind. In contrast, the intellect interacts with mind when it deceides it wants thoughts to appear in the mind about a particular topic. The intellect, can and does, make some effort. It can and does often put the mind in a particular room -- the philosophy room, the errands room, the career room, etc. When placed in a particular room, thoughts tend to arise, effortlessly, about the topic area of the room. And sometimes not -- aka daydreaming -- wide open windows in that room to other areas. Or the senses can feed the mind a lot of input, and thoughts arise effortlessly in the mind -- thoughts about the input. The input stimulates thoughts. Related to TM, my view is that when the mind becomes aware, effortless, that the mantra is not there, the intellect says we should think the mantra and puts the mind in the mantra room. That is a very small effort of the intellect (maybe). When in the mantra room, the thought, even if very hazy, of the mantra appears effortlessly in the mind. And sometimes not -- if the windows are wide open (smaksaras), or there is a lot of sensory input which puts the mind in other rooms. Then the cycle repeats, when the mind becomes aware, effortless, that the mantra is not there, the intellect says we should think the mantra and puts the mind in the mantra room So IMO, IME, in TM there is total effortlessness in the domain of the mind. And there is the subtlest of effort in the domain of the intellect. So it is both effortless and minutely effortful. Or maybe there is effort on the part of the intellect, maybe not , as I qualified it before. There is effort in the domain of the intellect, if there is identification with the decision-making function of the intellect. That is, there is effort if there is a feeling, strong sense, I am the decision-maker. Volition is effort. That is, either a sense of being the same as the intellect, or of directing the intellect. In that there is voliton, and in oliton there is effeort -- even if its slight. That is the everyday experience. Until .. Until there is an understanding / foundational perspective / experience / lifeview that the intellect is functioning in its own domain, by its own rules and does not need volition from a me. (See discussion with trinity some months back). This occurs when an indentity with being the decison maker dissolves. So from that clearer, more awakened perspective, there is not even any effort on the part of the intellect. It -- the intellect -- and its processes, just happen. Just as effortlessly as thoughts arise in the mind. When effort is transcended, then the [meditation] process is what it is. It just is. Someone said it would not be meditation if the mantra does not appear, if some subtle effort is not made to go to the mantra. Experience disagrees, at least when effort has been transcended. Eyes close, vastness is. One can transcend on nothingness. Which is a process that I beleive Vaj is refering to: objectless meditation. Though it is paradoxical -- in THAT process, what is transcending what? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the
[FairfieldLife] Child surgeon
http://www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk/misc/akritjaswal.html Akrit Jaswal The Seven Year Old Surgeon Akrit Pran Jaswal, India's Child Surgeon - Child Genius A young girl in India badly burned as a toddler, her fingers had fused together and curled into a knotted ball. Her shepherd family could not afford surgery, but they had heard of a remarkable young boy being called the child surgeon. Akrit Jaswal was only seven years old when he operated, successfully, on the eight year old girl to release her fingers. Akrit Jaswal had a reputation, in the region, for being a medical genius. He has been shown to have the highest I.Q. of any boy his age in India, a country of over one billion people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Quoting an earlier post from Vaj: At Estes Park Maharishi pointed out that there really was some effort in TM. He quoted the Vedas as saying, 'Be easy to us with gentle effort.' Obviously we'd need a great deal more context to know whether Maharishi was using this quote to describe TM as involving some effort. Who is being addressed in the quote? It appears to be a request of some kind, but who is making the request, and of whom? And how would one entity making a request of another entity to be easy to us relate to TM? There may be some connection, but it certainly isn't obvious without the context. Whatever the provenance of the Estes Park quote and whether it is referring to effortless thinking of the mantra, Maharishi still said what I'm saying he did. Sorry, I can't quote you the exact tape but it was one of the ushers on the course who raised the point that thoughts just come into his head spontaneously and randomly, but the mantra *gets* thought and that seems to be a contradiction. MMY laughed and agreed it was a contradiction, resloving it in the way I explained. but Maharishi was quite clear that there is some doing in the thinking/picking up of the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick up the mantra is qualified by saying effortlessy or as effortessly as a thought comes. Of course one is thinking and of course thinking is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. I think there may be a semantic issue here with regard to doing. If, as you say, doing can be effortless, it seems like a distinction without a difference. That's a good part of my point. The issue is largely semantic and that's why I said that IMO it is not incorrect to word it the way Vaj does. It's not a reason for denying the point. Well, but is it effortless, as you say, or is it subtle effort? *That* is a distinction that makes a *huge* difference. MMY has also been very clear that even subtle effort interferes with transcending, so again there would appear to be a semantic issue. I think these are different things. Thinking the mantra effortlessly is one thing. Trying to think the mantra a certain way or have an intention to experience a certain thing, even on a subtle level, are different things (and yes, they are incorrect in the practice of TM), and not what the point under discussion is about. In my understanding, intentionally picking up the mantra is done only when the mantra does not come on its own. Coming on its own is effortless thinking, yes. But if it doesn't come on its own you pick it up--effortlessly. In my experience, the recognition that I am not thinking the mantra arises spontaneously, without any intention or mindfulness; and the mantra is there, also spontaneously, immediately following that recognition. At that point it would require effort *not* to think the mantra. This may not be what occurs for beginning TMers, but I'd suggest that it becomes the case, for most people, at least, after some experience of TM practice. Sure, the *effortless thinking* of the mantra becomes a well-established habit. But it is still thinking/picking up the mantra. Similarly, it may become an effortless remembrance to push in the clutch when changing gears on a standard vehicle, but there would be a lot of grinding, if you didn't do it. hd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: TM is not that unique in its process. It is called yogic meditation in other circles. The actual use of the bijas particularly without OM is what is considered unorthodox. From what I've seen of how people describe other purportedly simple and easy meditation techniques, very few are actually simple and easy. All that says is you haven't seen very much. Hence my term spirituality sheltered. It really IS pretty amazing, isn't it? This entire group of people who have never tried any other technique of meditation or self discovery but TM, many of whom have been too afraid even to *read* about any other technique but TM, and yet they consider themselves authoritative about the subject of meditation as a whole. It's one of the things that keeps me fascinated by TMers, after all this time. I mean, you've been around the spiritual block a bit, right? Have you *ever* encountered any other group that knows as little as your standard TMer or TM teacher and yet believes that they know so much? I've always kept company with people from other organizations. Some were folks who had learned TM and looking for more and not finding it found it in other organizations. I learned a lot from them. Before learning TM I was trying other techniques. I can also say like those others I found myself wanting more but not finding in TM and moved on. I keep coming back to the teaching analogy that Maharishi used to use, in my opinion ironically. He used to speak about the kid who goes to his first day of school and learns A, B and C and then comes back and teaches his siblings A, B and C, because that's all he knows. As far as I can tell, the entire range of know- ledge I ever read or was exposed to in the TM movement was just that -- A, B and C. Since leaving the TM movement and spending almost 30 years doing a lot of reading in other traditions, and studying directly with teachers who cover the subjects that can't be written down, I've probably encountered only seven or eight more letters of the alphabet. In this lifetime I'll never learn even a *fraction* of the knowledge that is out there. My guru emphasizes this all the time that even what he knows is only a tiny part of the knowledge and it is impossible to know it all. But at the same time I've come to realize that (in my opinion) Maharishi himself was always seriously light in the loafers in terms of how much *he* knew. I honestly think that *he* was aware of only A, B and C, and knew little or nothing about the other spiritual letters of the alphabet, the other 90% of the body of spiritual knowledge. If we had a dime for every junior Hindu priest in India that knows a little or enough to teach a meditation course we'd be rich! :) They are all over the place there but most just stick close to their temples to seek enlightenment for themselves and serve their community. His genius, if it could be called that, was to convince stupid Westerners that he knew more than he did, and to keep repeating endless variations of A, B and C for forty years. Doing this, he *not only* convinced most of the people listening that they were hearing the entire alphabet of spiritual knowledge, but *also* convinced them that *they* knew more than seekers from any other tradition. He kept people SO spiritually sheltered and isolated that they never could become exposed to anyone who could tell them, Hey, I've listened to the stuff you talk about, and you never seem to get past A, B and C...don't you KNOW that there are other letters? He created an environment in which fear of drifting off the program was so strong that most of his followers don't even have any *curiosity* about learning more; they're that convinced that they already know everything that is worth learning. I've found that people from other organizations tend to treat TM folks respectfully from a distance knowing they have this 'tude. :) It's a truly amazing accomplishment, in a strange sort of way... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fred's thalamic lecture
Thanks for this link. It doesn't seem to me that this is more than the a priori claim that I used to make as a teacher, that TM is different from any other meditation. What is the sample size that Fred is claiming represents all other practices of meditation that he has studied in this way? If his claim was correct it would really matter who he chose, how long they had practiced. Can you imagine the fuss that would be made if an anti TM advocate chose me as the TM guy in the study? So for all I know he choose the village idiot of Tibetian meditators to prove his point. His conclusions about what this different activity in the brain means is right out of MMY's play book. I don't know if this is the accepted interpretation of what such activity means or if there is universal consensus on these points. His conclusion about how this will effect us after meditation is just an old MMY claim. I just don't buy that this has been studied with enough other groups to know this. I am having trouble seeing this as real science rather than advocacy marketing playing on the public's lack of familiarity with neuro science. I don't doubt that TM has some benefits. I do doubt that they are substantially different from other passive relaxation practices. Most people seem to drop TM just as they do most self help programs and techniques. If it was so superior it seems like it would have more staying power. I will watch some of the other videos.Is there one comparing TM to hypnosis? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is Fred Travis's lecture. He had to use his own slides. I'll get the brain 3D-ized eventaully and he'll use it later on. Hopefully my animation will give him a way of making a more sophsticated presentation presentable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l41mBbn4ho To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Related to TM, my view is that when the mind becomes aware, effortless, that the mantra is not there, the intellect says we should think the mantra and puts the mind in the mantra room. That is a very small effort of the intellect (maybe). snip Until there is an understanding / foundational perspective / experience / lifeview that the intellect is functioning in its own domain, by its own rules and does not need volition from a me. (See discussion with trinity some months back). This occurs when an indentity with being the decison maker dissolves. So from that clearer, more awakened perspective, there is not even any effort on the part of the intellect. It -- the intellect -- and its processes, just happen. Just as effortlessly as thoughts arise in the mind. FWIW, I'm not convinced that the intellect functions at all in this situation, on its own or via volition. In my own experience, it's more like a Pavlovian-type response to the realization that I'm not thinking the mantra. If the intellect is involved at all, it seems to me, it would be in the recognition that one is not thinking the mantra (i.e., discrimination between not-mantra and mantra). But that doesn't feel volitional either; it seems to be invoked automatically in response to the ending of a train of thought. I'd be hesitant to suggest, in my case, that this has anything to do with a more awakened perspective. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Whatever the provenance of the Estes Park quote and whether it is referring to effortless thinking of the mantra, Maharishi still said what I'm saying he did. Sorry, I can't quote you the exact tape but it was one of the ushers on the course who raised the point that thoughts just come into his head spontaneously and randomly, but the mantra *gets* thought and that seems to be a contradiction. MMY laughed and agreed it was a contradiction, resloving it in the way I explained. I'm not challenging that at all, except to say that after some experience of TM, the mantra no longer gets thought but arises spontaneously, just like any other thought. but Maharishi was quite clear that there is some doing in the thinking/picking up of the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick up the mantra is qualified by saying effortlessy or as effortessly as a thought comes. Of course one is thinking and of course thinking is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. I think there may be a semantic issue here with regard to doing. If, as you say, doing can be effortless, it seems like a distinction without a difference. That's a good part of my point. The issue is largely semantic and that's why I said that IMO it is not incorrect to word it the way Vaj does. It's not a reason for denying the point. If by subtle effort he means effortless doing, then I wouldn't disagree with him. But I don't think that's what he means. Remember he also says there is mindfulness involved in realizing one isn't thinking the mantra. snip In my understanding, intentionally picking up the mantra is done only when the mantra does not come on its own. Coming on its own is effortless thinking, yes. But if it doesn't come on its own you pick it up--effortlessly. Right. That's the instruction for when it doesn't come on its own. In my experience, the recognition that I am not thinking the mantra arises spontaneously, without any intention or mindfulness; and the mantra is there, also spontaneously, immediately following that recognition. At that point it would require effort *not* to think the mantra. This may not be what occurs for beginning TMers, but I'd suggest that it becomes the case, for most people, at least, after some experience of TM practice. Sure, the *effortless thinking* of the mantra becomes a well-established habit. But it is still thinking/picking up the mantra. But there's no *volition* involved. The thought of no-mantra automatically invokes the thought of mantra (sort of like Don't think of an elephant): No mantra...mantra...mantra...mantra... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships, acccounting for the trust issue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if I could do an 8 hour program anymore. You? I could, with the occasional break for sushi... --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays Donating a million per month. That is extremely generous of this guy. What sort of accounting controls do you think he put on the money this time? -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip Related to TM, my view is that when the mind becomes aware, effortless, that the mantra is not there, the intellect says we should think the mantra and puts the mind in the mantra room. That is a very small effort of the intellect (maybe). snip Until there is an understanding / foundational perspective / experience / lifeview that the intellect is functioning in its own domain, by its own rules and does not need volition from a me. (See discussion with trinity some months back). This occurs when an indentity with being the decison maker dissolves. So from that clearer, more awakened perspective, there is not even any effort on the part of the intellect. It -- the intellect -- and its processes, just happen. Just as effortlessly as thoughts arise in the mind. FWIW, I'm not convinced that the intellect functions at all in this situation, Perhaps intellect connates something (perhaps slightly) differnt to you than to me. I am not referring to grand and deep analysis (shich also is the domain of the intellect), but rather, something akin to what a 3-cent micro chip might do, a yes/no monitoring function. To me intellect's functions / processes can be at grand scale or very mundane scale. on its own or via volition. This is an additional quality stacked on the above. If there is someone who IS the decider, (identifying with decision maker), then there is volition, IMO, though sometimes it can seem pretty automatic. In contrast, when there is NO individual entity who IS the decider, (identifying with decision maker), then there is no volition. It is clearly automatic. Perhaps I could restate the general premise: IF there is effort, it is when the the intellect decides to go back to the mantra. Or per my model, the intellect moves the mind to the mantra room -- and allows the conditions for the mantra to arise effortlessly. It may seem automatic, and pavlovian -- due to repeated practice. Or one may experince a slight volition, a slight effort of the intellect. In my own experience, it's more like a Pavlovian-type response to the realization that I'm not thinking the mantra. If the intellect is involved at all, it seems to me, it would be in the recognition that one is not thinking the mantra (i.e., discrimination between not-mantra and mantra). Yes its that. And its the decision to go back to the mantra. And this may appear quite automatic. But that doesn't feel volitional either; it seems to be invoked automatically in response to the ending of a train of thought. see above. I'd be hesitant to suggest, in my case, that this has anything to do with a more awakened perspective. It may or may not. The automaticness is not the key distinguishing factor. Many reptiles, that is just using reptile brain, react to things instinctively -- automatically. As humans, we react to to many things by relex automatically. This does not necessarily indicate much. The feature I was referring to is an understanding / foundational perspective / experience / lifeview / realization that the intellect is functioning in its own domain, by its own rules and does not need volition from a me --- when an indentity with being the decision maker dissolves. In that, the functioning of the intellect is always known as automatic. In contrast, in the I am the doer state automatic /reflex actions are there sometimes, and sometimes one feels I am the doer -- acting with volition. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip I find it hard to believe that ANY TM teacher was ever instructed to require his/her students to kneel or they wouldn't be taught, not even the Indian ones teaching in India. I'm also wondering what the instructions could have been for implementing this rule. What would the teacher say to the prospective student at this point? What would happen if the student objected to being told s/he wasn't going to be taught? There must have been a whole script for dealing with the situation. This question came up during my TTC and the instruction was that we invite the student to kneel; if he doesn't, that's his choice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can tell, the entire range of know- ledge I ever read or was exposed to in the TM movement was just that -- A, B and C. Since leaving the TM movement and spending almost 30 years doing a lot of reading in other traditions, and studying directly with teachers who cover the subjects that can't be written down, I've probably encountered only seven or eight more letters of the alphabet. In this lifetime I'll never learn even a *fraction* of the knowledge that is out there. There's an irreconcilable difference between university and universal knowledge. Sure there are probably as many spiritual habits out there as there are people. Some of them are group habits which we call traditions. One approach is to experience as many of these group habits as possible, each with its own terminology, expressions, forms of meditation, conclusions, teachers, etc. I would call this approach the university approach, sort of like seeing how many books in the library I can read in a lifetime. The other approach is to find any technique out there which will allow the full exploration of any one object, be it a thought, a material object, a relationship, or a feeling. If there is consistent and continual transcending, a point can be reached where there is a familiarity with all objects. I would call this approach the universal approach. In my experience, the universal approach as I have defined it is without question the most satisfying. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Bowing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip I find it hard to believe that ANY TM teacher was ever instructed to require his/her students to kneel or they wouldn't be taught, not even the Indian ones teaching in India. I'm also wondering what the instructions could have been for implementing this rule. What would the teacher say to the prospective student at this point? What would happen if the student objected to being told s/he wasn't going to be taught? There must have been a whole script for dealing with the situation. This question came up during my TTC and the instruction was that we invite the student to kneel; if he doesn't, that's his choice. yea, but that knee-cap to the inside of their knee move we learned sure helped out a lot. :) (j/k) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/20/06 10:18 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting an earlier post from Vaj: At Estes Park Maharishi pointed out that there really was some effort in TM. He quoted the Vedas as saying, 'Be easy to us with gentle effort.' Obviously we'd need a great deal more context to know whether Maharishi was using this quote to describe TM as involving some effort. Who is being addressed in the quote? It appears to be a request of some kind, but who is making the request, and of whom? And how would one entity making a request of another entity to be easy to us relate to TM? It related to TM. I was there. I had a feeling that Maharishi was experimenting a bit by bringing up the quote. He only mentioned it in one lecture. On my TTC at the end when we learned the last part of the teaching, we met with MMY and he asked us if we had any concerns before we went into that final phase. A fellow from France stood up and said that he had a problem with his own meditation: that every time he thought the mantra that he wanted to shout it out. After talking with him for a few minutes and sort of diagnosing what the situation was, Maharishi said to him: okay, look at my arm. I want you to think the mantra every time I move my arm up. And then he started to, very slowly at first, move his arm up and down. Then he started doing it faster and then really fast. And then he started to giggle. I forget what the outcome of all this was and whether the French guy was satisfied but what struck me was that in order to do what MMY said to do -- think the mantra every time he saw MMY's arm go up -- that effort was involved. Now, I know that this whole episode was a sort of clinic and all and it was all in context of this particular person's unusual meditation experience, but that's what struck me at the time: that MMY gave an instruction that necessarily required effort. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip The thing is, you're speaking to a person who (as far as I can tell) really *lives* in Duh-land. P.S.: Be aware that with Barry, you're speaking to a person who has an amazingly varied supply of fantasies about what TMers think and believe and even what they have said. He has an enormously difficult time distinguishing them from the reality. You forgot to tell us that he lies alot. Has this never occured to you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Question for Judy
I was listening to the news on the radio this morning and they had an excerpt from Venezuelan president Chavez's speech at the U.N. where he called Bush the Devil and that he still smelled the sulfur from his visit there the day before. I then came from listening to that to this forum where, once again, you were lighting into Barry for perceived horrors: lying, deception,etc. And then it struck me that, compared to Chavez's dressing down of Bush the Devil, it was really light in the loafers compared to how you express your disdain for Barry on a daily basis. So I must ask you: who is worse in your eyes: Bush, Satan, or Barry Wright? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Ted Turner- Let Women Run The World...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: By Daniel Trotta NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. invasion of Iraq was among the dumbest moves of all time that ranks with the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor and the German invasion of Russia, billionaire philanthropist Ted Turner said on Tuesday. POWER TO THE WOMEN One way to reduce such dangers in the world would be to leave women in charge, said the former husband of Jane Fonda. Men should be barred from public office for 100 years in every part of the world... ...so says someone who did not live under 18 years of Margaret (there's no such thing as society) Thatcher. Uns. Someone did a study -- I think it was in the '80s -- of all the women who were then or had headed countries and whether those countries had engaged in wars. Interestingly, the female-led countries out-violenced the male-led ones by an overwhelming factor...something like 20 times. There was Golda Meir (was with all the surrounding Arab countries); Thatcher (Falklands), Gandhi (Pakistan, Amritsar), etc. So this idea that women leading countries is somehow going to be better for peace is, simply, crap according to this study. Also if one were to graph and correlate the instance of wars and conflicts on the planet and the number of deaths resulting from these conflicts with women getting the vote, there would be a very high correlation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Global Warming not caused by humans: professor
Colorado State professor disputes global warming is human-caused Views `out of step' with others are good for science, academic says By Kate Martin The Daily Reporter-Herald Global warming is happening, but humans are not the cause, one of the nation's top experts on hurricanes said Monday morning. Bill Gray, who has studied tropical meteorology for more than 40 years, spoke at the Larimer County Republican Club Breakfast about global warming and whether humans are to blame. About 50 people were at the talk. Gray, who is a professor at Colorado State University, said human- induced global warming is a fear perpetuated by the media and scientists who are trying to get federal grants. I think we're coming out of the little ice age, and warming is due to changes to ocean circulation patterns due to salinity variations, Gray said. I'm sure that's it. Gray's view has been challenged, however. Roger Pielke Jr., director of the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado, said in an interview later Monday that climate scientists involved with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded that most of the warming is due to human activity. Bill Gray is a widely respected senior scientist who has a view that is out of step with a lot of his colleagues', Pielke said. But challenging widely held views is good for science because it forces people to make their case and advances understanding. We should always listen to the minority, said Pielke, who spoke from his office in Boulder. But it's prudent to take actions that both minimize human effect on the climate and also make ourselves much more resilient. At the breakfast, Gray said Earth was warmer in some medieval periods than it is today. Current weather models are good at predicting weather as far as 10 days in advance, but predicting up to 100 years into the future is a great act of faith, and I don't believe any of it, he said. But even if humans cause global warming, there's not much people can do, Gray said. China and India will continue to pump out greenhouse gases, and alternative energy sources are expensive. Why do it if it's not going to make a difference anyway? he said. Whether I'm right or wrong, we can't do anything about it anyway. But Pielke said it makes sense to reduce humans' impact on the climate. There are uncertainties. It's not like you change your light bulbs today, you're going to have better weather tomorrow, he said. It's even better if those actions you're taking make sense for other reasons, like getting off Middle Eastern oil or saving money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Debbie henning -- keep anonymous
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can tell, the entire range of know- ledge I ever read or was exposed to in the TM movement was just that -- A, B and C. Since leaving the TM movement and spending almost 30 years doing a lot of reading in other traditions, and studying directly with teachers who cover the subjects that can't be written down, I've probably encountered only seven or eight more letters of the alphabet. In this lifetime I'll never learn even a *fraction* of the knowledge that is out there. There's an irreconcilable difference between university and universal knowledge. Sure there are probably as many spiritual habits out there as there are people. Some of them are group habits which we call traditions. One approach is to experience as many of these group habits as possible, each with its own terminology, expressions, forms of meditation, conclusions, teachers, etc. I would call this approach the university approach, sort of like seeing how many books in the library I can read in a lifetime. The other approach is to find any technique out there which will allow the full exploration of any one object, be it a thought, a material object, a relationship, or a feeling. If there is consistent and continual transcending, a point can be reached where there is a familiarity with all objects. I would call this approach the universal approach. In my experience, the universal approach as I have defined it is without question the most satisfying. Many gurus call the university approach bookish or wooden knowledge and frown on it. After initiation and with practice of a technique the books might even take on different and deeper meaning that was not apparent at the superficial level. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
Thanks for the thoughful and articulate response. Well said. My snips are due to brevity rather than assigning a value to certain parts. I like your analogy of the rooms. It works well, and fits with both experience and practice. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Until there is an understanding / foundational perspective / experience / lifeview that the intellect is functioning in its own domain, by its own rules and does not need volition from a me. (See discussion with trinity some months back). This occurs when an indentity with being the decison maker dissolves. Thanks, I'll search for this. snip When effort is transcended, then the [meditation] process is what it is. It just is. Someone said it would not be meditation if the mantra does not appear, if some subtle effort is not made to go to the mantra. Experience disagrees, at least when effort has been transcended. Eyes close, vastness is. One can transcend on nothingness. Which is a process that I beleive Vaj is refering to: objectless meditation. Though it is paradoxical -- in THAT process, what is transcending what? Nicely put. This also mirrors my experience--sit, close the eyes, silence, vastness. I downloaded one of the documents that Vaj posted a link to some time back which describes successive stages of meditation/transcending and found it very familiar. Transcending on nothingness is a good way to put it, paradox, notwithstanding. Having missed most of the earlier discussion with trinity you refer to (my time for ffl is limited), I don't have a sense of how common that experience is, either amongst long term TM practitioners, or having-moved-on TMers, or non-TMers. Such experiences aren't part of the teachings of TM, even though they seem to be a natural evolution. I don't think my experience can be that uncommon. Anyhow, thanks again for the insights and validation of experiences. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships, acccounting for the trust issue
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if I could do an 8 hour program anymore. You? I could, with the occasional break for sushi... Ha! As I read the above I'm eating sushi at my desk! -Peter --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays Donating a million per month. That is extremely generous of this guy. What sort of accounting controls do you think he put on the money this time? -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: SIMS Taught Us to Lie?
In a message dated 9/19/06 1:07:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Other teachers of TM want to weigh in? Were you taught to lie? I missed that seesion, I guess. :) SIMS never taught me to or suggested that I lie and I never felt the need to do so either.Curtis called it the SIMS Shuffle because lying was so prevalent amongst SIMS people or at least Skolnick hinted that Curtis was his source for this term. Spair I can't speak for other teachers because I usually taught by myself or with one other person, so who knows what other people said. What I do know is no body ever taught me or coached me to lie or deceive anybody. I would have doubted Maharishi at that point and left the TMO wondering if anything else was a lie that I had been taught. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/20/06 10:18 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting an earlier post from Vaj: At Estes Park Maharishi pointed out that there really was some effort in TM. He quoted the Vedas as saying, 'Be easy to us with gentle effort.' Obviously we'd need a great deal more context to know whether Maharishi was using this quote to describe TM as involving some effort. Who is being addressed in the quote? It appears to be a request of some kind, but who is making the request, and of whom? And how would one entity making a request of another entity to be easy to us relate to TM? It related to TM. I was there. I had a feeling that Maharishi was experimenting a bit by bringing up the quote. He only mentioned it in one lecture. On my TTC at the end when we learned the last part of the teaching, we met with MMY and he asked us if we had any concerns before we went into that final phase. A fellow from France stood up and said that he had a problem with his own meditation: that every time he thought the mantra that he wanted to shout it out. After talking with him for a few minutes and sort of diagnosing what the situation was, Maharishi said to him: okay, look at my arm. I want you to think the mantra every time I move my arm up. And then he started to, very slowly at first, move his arm up and down. Then he started doing it faster and then really fast. And then he started to giggle. I forget what the outcome of all this was and whether the French guy was satisfied but what struck me was that in order to do what MMY said to do -- think the mantra every time he saw MMY's arm go up -- that effort was involved. Now, I know that this whole episode was a sort of clinic and all and it was all in context of this particular person's unusual meditation experience, but that's what struck me at the time: that MMY gave an instruction that necessarily required effort. The problem is with the word efffort. It implies a focused trying which is not how you do TM. I think a better word would be intent. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] effortlessness
hermandan0 wrote: trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 snip Any meditation technique that relies on a object of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* Of course, it's never been established that what he said at Estes Park ever acknowledged any such thing. I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, but Maharishi was quite clear that there is some doing in the thinking/picking up of the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick up the mantra is qualified by saying effortlessy or as effortessly as a thought comes. Of course one is thinking and of course thinking is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of effort on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in calling it subtle effort becaue of that doing. To misunderstand this puts one in the position of a meditator I once encountered who asked What happens if you sit there for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra doesn't come? Duh. Nit-picking and over analyzing the method does not help anything either. When you sit to meditate you just introduce or think the mantra. What was trying to be avoided was forcing the mind on the mantra or any straining. That is the context of the checking notes. This is also the teaching in other traditions. A properly enlivened mantra will enchant the mind anyway but if something is stirred up by the process it will usually express itself as thoughts. Folks might want to read Sivananda's Mind - It's Mysteries and Control http://www.dlshq.org/download/mind.htm which was originally published in 1936, years before Maharishi ever dreamt of becoming a monk and discusses the process of meditation in very similar terms. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Pope's speech on Faith and reason ( Theocracy Vs. Democr...
In a message dated 9/19/06 2:03:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I have to disagree with the premise, that Islamic countries are not ready for Democracy. I think any civilized people are ready for it, but may need more time and help depending on what their previous experiences have been". "May need more time and help" = "not ready"I mean that what they have in Islamic culture, is a Theocracy: A government based in 'Supreme religious authority'...Therefore there is no seperation of church and state, which is the corner-stone of our democracy...So, in that situation, you either have a King of a Theocracy.And that is what all of the Arab countries in the middle east have.Either a king or a dictator.Simply incompatible...with free thinking, and equal rights. very fascist really...R.G. Needing more time or needing help doesn't mean a country isn't ready for democracy. Democracy has not always come easily to those that enjoy it now. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bush la la land
Chucklenuts is stuck between Iraq and a hard place. The deer in the eyes look he gave on 9-11 was because he was given the message that Angel is next unless he did the oligarchy's bidding. He's been their obliging puppet ever since. johnlasher20002000 wrote: I think you'll find this most interesting - if you take the time to read. It could explain a lot. Has Bush gone over the edge? September 5, 2006 06:06 AM | Enemies of the State | 18 Comments An increasing number of Republicans, ranging from former conservative Congressman Joe Scarborough to former President George H.W. Bush, worry that President George W. Bush's tenuous hold on reality is slipping away and the leader of the free world may be sliding into a full-fledged mental breakdown. Scarborough sounded the warning recently when he devoted an episode of his MSNBC talk show to the topic Is Bush an Idiot? Other published reports say Bush's own father is worried about his son's mental state. Psychiatrists who have observed Bush during his presidency share this concern. Writes Jeffrey Steinberg in the ultra-conservative Lyndon LaRouche scandal sheet Executive Intelligence Review: The word is circulating in high-level Republican Party circles that former President George H.W. Bush is profoundly worried about the mental state of his son, the current President. According to the sources, Bush 41 has been communicating with his own intimate circle, including former National Security Advisor Brent Scowcroft, and former Secretary of State James Baker III, along with former President Bill Clinton, about G.W.'s over-the-top support for Israel's current self-destructive assault on Lebanon. The ex-President has reportedly conveyed to his close associates that he fears that G.W. is in a messianic state and is unreachable, even by such close advisors as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Insight magazine, the online publication of the Washington Times, buttressed this account, reporting in early August that, for the first time, a rift has developed between Rice and President Bush, over the President's one-sided support for Israel, in the ongoing Israeli Defense Forces invasion of Lebanon. Ordinarily, it is easy to dismiss a report from such a source but others with credible track records are backing up the EIS report. Bush family insiders say the former President's concern over his son's mental state was a primary reason why the President made a rare appearance at the family home in Connecticut during August. Bush rarely visits his father. In fact, NBC news anchor Brian Williams recently reported that former President Bill Clinton, who defeated the elder Bush after one term, visits his former rival more often. White House aides point to the President's increasingly bizarre behavior: an inpromptu massage of a foreign leader at the recent G8 conference, his penchant for farting in front of new West Wing aides and his rambling, often incoherent answers to reporters' questions. John Dean, the White House counsel who helped bring down another deranged President: Richard M. Nixon, shares the concern. In his book, Conservatives Without Conscience, Dean calls Republican-controlled Washington a bullying, manipulative, prejudiced leadership edging the nation toward a dark era. We have returned to the imperial presidency (that existed in the Nixon era), Dean says. We have an unchecked presidency. Are we on the road to fascism? he adds. Clearly, we are not on that road yet. But it would not take much more misguided authoritarian leadership, or thoughtless following of such leaders, to find ourselves there. I am not sure which is more frightening, he adds, another major terror attack or the response of authoritarian conservatives to that attack. Dr. Justin Frank, the prominent George Washington University psychiatrist who wrote Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President, says Bush has lost touch with reality: With every passing week, President Bush marches deeper and deeper into a world of his own making. Central to Bush's world is an iron will which demands that external reality be changed to conform to his personal view of how things are. As far as Bush is concerned, he is telling the truth; as Madeleine Albright recently said to Columbia Magazine: the most serious problem is that George Bush now believes what he says. Like many of my hospitalized patients, Bush has created a vast, detailed but vague delusional system he feels compelled to maintain at all costs. This system helps him manage the terrifying anxiety that threatens to make his already endangered inner world more chaotic. Psychoanalytic theory suggests that Bush's true enemy is an aspect of himself -- the overwhelming anxiety he works so hard to manage. For Bush, lying remains a central defense mechanism in managing his fears; he lies foremost to himself, altering his perception of external or internal reality to fulfill
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was listening to the news on the radio this morning and they had an excerpt from Venezuelan president Chavez's speech at the U.N. where he called Bush the Devil and that he still smelled the sulfur from his visit there the day before. I then came from listening to that to this forum where, once again, you were lighting into Barry for perceived horrors: lying, deception,etc. And then it struck me that, compared to Chavez's dressing down of Bush the Devil, it was really light in the loafers compared to how you express your disdain for Barry on a daily basis. Unlike the way Barry expresses his disdain for me on a daily basis, right? So I must ask you: who is worse in your eyes: Bush, Satan, or Barry Wright? Since it was Barry who compared me to Bush, I think you're asking the wrong person about who is worse. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Global Warming not caused by humans: professor
No, it was caused by 19 aliens wielding box cutters. shempmcgurk wrote: Colorado State professor disputes global warming is human-caused Views `out of step' with others are good for science, academic says By Kate Martin The Daily Reporter-Herald Global warming is happening, but humans are not the cause, one of the nation's top experts on hurricanes said Monday morning. Bill Gray, who has studied tropical meteorology for more than 40 years, spoke at the Larimer County Republican Club Breakfast about global warming and whether humans are to blame. About 50 people were at the talk. Gray, who is a professor at Colorado State University, said human- induced global warming is a fear perpetuated by the media and scientists who are trying to get federal grants. I think we're coming out of the little ice age, and warming is due to changes to ocean circulation patterns due to salinity variations, Gray said. I'm sure that's it. Gray's view has been challenged, however. Roger Pielke Jr., director of the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado, said in an interview later Monday that climate scientists involved with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded that most of the warming is due to human activity. Bill Gray is a widely respected senior scientist who has a view that is out of step with a lot of his colleagues', Pielke said. But challenging widely held views is good for science because it forces people to make their case and advances understanding. We should always listen to the minority, said Pielke, who spoke from his office in Boulder. But it's prudent to take actions that both minimize human effect on the climate and also make ourselves much more resilient. At the breakfast, Gray said Earth was warmer in some medieval periods than it is today. Current weather models are good at predicting weather as far as 10 days in advance, but predicting up to 100 years into the future is a great act of faith, and I don't believe any of it, he said. But even if humans cause global warming, there's not much people can do, Gray said. China and India will continue to pump out greenhouse gases, and alternative energy sources are expensive. Why do it if it's not going to make a difference anyway? he said. Whether I'm right or wrong, we can't do anything about it anyway. But Pielke said it makes sense to reduce humans' impact on the climate. There are uncertainties. It's not like you change your light bulbs today, you're going to have better weather tomorrow, he said. It's even better if those actions you're taking make sense for other reasons, like getting off Middle Eastern oil or saving money. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Global Warming not caused by humans: professor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colorado State professor disputes global warming is human-caused Views `out of step' with others are good for science, academic says By Kate Martin The Daily Reporter-Herald Global warming is happening, but humans are not the cause, one of the nation's top experts on hurricanes said Monday morning. Bill Gray, who has studied tropical meteorology for more than 40 years, spoke at the Larimer County Republican Club Breakfast about global warming and whether humans are to blame. About 50 people were at the talk. http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptics/Gray.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships, acccounting for the trust issue
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I don't know if I could do an 8 hour program anymore. You? I could, with the occasional break for sushi... Ha! As I read the above I'm eating sushi at my desk! -Peter Sushi is not only compatible with transcending it aids and abetts it! There is something primordial about eating it that goes right to our basic genetic make-up: raw fish and rice...something right from the sea and something right from the fields. --- dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays Donating a million per month. That is extremely generous of this guy. What sort of accounting controls do you think he put on the money this time? -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pope's speech on Faith and reason ( Theocracy Vs. Democr...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/19/06 2:03:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I have to disagree with the premise, that Islamic countries are not ready for Democracy. I think any civilized people are ready for it, but may need more time and help depending on what their previous experiences have been. May need more time and help = not ready snip Needing more time or needing help doesn't mean a country isn't ready for democracy. Uh, well, yes, it does, by definition. It would be ready for democracy only if it *didn't* need more time and help. It's not an insult or a criticism to say Iraq isn't ready for democracy, given what they've been through and the disastrous mess the U.S. has made of the occupation. But Bush tries to portray it as an insult, or a lack of faith in the Iraqis' innate ability to have a democracy. He even portrayed it as racism in that passage I quoted. He does this to try to intimidate his critics, but it's a straw man. No responsible politician or leader that I've heard has ever suggested the Iraqis are *innately* incapable of democracy. Democracy has not always come easily to those that enjoy it now. Right. We in the U.S. weren't ready for it for quite some time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question for Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I was listening to the news on the radio this morning and they had an excerpt from Venezuelan president Chavez's speech at the U.N. where he called Bush the Devil and that he still smelled the sulfur from his visit there the day before. I then came from listening to that to this forum where, once again, you were lighting into Barry for perceived horrors: lying, deception,etc. And then it struck me that, compared to Chavez's dressing down of Bush the Devil, it was really light in the loafers compared to how you express your disdain for Barry on a daily basis. Unlike the way Barry expresses his disdain for me on a daily basis, right? Yes. Certainly, Barry has disdain for you. But it is a markedly different disdain. It is void of venom and hate, at least to the degree to which you direct it at him. His disdain is more humorous and more along the lines of (and I've used this analogy before) Dennis putting Margaret's pigtails in the ink well. And you fall for it every time. And feel this urgent compulsion to respond to him. I wonder what it does to your psychology. So I must ask you: who is worse in your eyes: Bush, Satan, or Barry Wright? Since it was Barry who compared me to Bush, I think you're asking the wrong person about who is worse. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/20/06 10:18 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: Quoting an earlier post from Vaj: At Estes Park Maharishi pointed out that there really was some effort in TM. He quoted the Vedas as saying, 'Be easy to us with gentle effort.' Obviously we'd need a great deal more context to know whether Maharishi was using this quote to describe TM as involving some effort. Who is being addressed in the quote? It appears to be a request of some kind, but who is making the request, and of whom? And how would one entity making a request of another entity to be easy to us relate to TM? It related to TM. I was there. I had a feeling that Maharishi was experimenting a bit by bringing up the quote. He only mentioned it in one lecture. On my TTC at the end when we learned the last part of the teaching, we met with MMY and he asked us if we had any concerns before we went into that final phase. A fellow from France stood up and said that he had a problem with his own meditation: that every time he thought the mantra that he wanted to shout it out. After talking with him for a few minutes and sort of diagnosing what the situation was, Maharishi said to him: okay, look at my arm. I want you to think the mantra every time I move my arm up. And then he started to, very slowly at first, move his arm up and down. Then he started doing it faster and then really fast. And then he started to giggle. I forget what the outcome of all this was and whether the French guy was satisfied but what struck me was that in order to do what MMY said to do -- think the mantra every time he saw MMY's arm go up -- that effort was involved. Now, I know that this whole episode was a sort of clinic and all and it was all in context of this particular person's unusual meditation experience, but that's what struck me at the time: that MMY gave an instruction that necessarily required effort. The problem is with the word efffort. It implies a focused trying which is not how you do TM. I think a better word would be intent. In yogic parlance, the word for effort is prayatna. Effortless, is aprayatna. Technically speaking any process of meditation, subject and object which are transcended, will require a path and some effort, some intention. The only thing that is truly effortless is *nonmeditation.* Other things indicative of effort would be any mental process (e.g. subtler and subtler levels of mentation till conscious mentation stops), awareness of a mental object, any focus whether conceptual or non-conceptual, allurement or charm towards towards a calm or transcendent state, etc. That's not to say effort is bad, is just part and parcel of dualistic paths. Reflexively authentic open awareness is not focused on any particular object and this is why no effort is needed. Any consciousness by necessity arises from causes, one of which is an object, even a subtle object. Self-arisen wisdom does not need an object. In fact effortless, nonmeditation requires *no subject or object. * (back to lurk mode) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] This is almost as silly as suing McDonald's over cholesteral
California Sues GM, Ford, Toyota Over Global Warming (Update1) By Karen Gullo and Alan Ohnsman Sept. 20 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and four other automakers were sued by California for making vehicles that contribute to global warming, causing pollution and erosion that costs the state millions of dollars. The lawsuit filed today in U.S. District Court in Oakland said General Motors, Ford, Toyota Motor Corp., DaimlerChrysler AG, Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co., the six largest automakers in the U.S., have created a ``public nuisance'' by making millions of vehicles that emit huge quantities of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas that contributes to global warming. The suit, which seeks damages related to pollution, beach erosion and reduced water supplies, is the latest action by California to push businesses and the federal government to address global warming. The legislature approved a measure last month to force utilities to cut emissions, and the state has sued the U.S. for failing to address the effects of global warming. ``Vehicle emissions are the single most rapidly growing source of the carbon emissions contributing to global warming, yet the federal government and the automakers have refused to act,'' said California Attorney General Bill Lockyer in a statement. California has already targeted carmakers with rules that would require them to lower emissions. The state enacted rules in 2004 that would force them to cut the amount of carbon dioxide and other tailpipe gases by up to 30 percent in cars sold in the state. Several other states have adopted or are weighing similar rules. Overturn Edward Cohen, a spokesman for Honda, and Dave Barthmuss, a spokesman for General Motors, didn't immediately return calls seeking comment. Automakers are suing to overturn these rules. Redesigning cars to address such restrictions would cost the industry billions of dollars, carmakers have claimed, especially in the California market. The state asked a federal court on Sept. 15 to throw the case out. The judge has yet to rule. California legislators approved the toughest pollution limits in the U.S. last month, requiring utilities, oil refineries and other companies to cut emissions tied to global warming by 25 percent in the next 14 years. California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican who is seeking re-election this year, said he supports the measure. Burning Gasoline Carbon dioxide is a byproduct of burning gasoline. Car companies say the only way to meet California's emissions rules is to reduce vehicle fuel consumption. They claim the state is trying to regulate fuel economy, or the number of miles a car runs on a gallon of gas, a standard which is set by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Automakers including GM, Honda, and Toyota said they are developing so-called fuel-cell cars in response to consumer demand for better fuel economy amid higher gas prices. Fuel cells produce only water vapor as a byproduct. The lawsuit is California v. General Motors, U.S. District Court, Northern District of California. To contact the reporter on this story: Karen Gullo in San Francisco at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Last Updated: September 20, 2006 13:01 EDT To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invicible America Scholarships, acccounting for the trust issue
You guys making it yourself? Very easy, and you can really lean on the thickness for Nigari shushi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I don't know if I could do an 8 hour program anymore. You? I could, with the occasional break for sushi... Ha! As I read the above I'm eating sushi at my desk! -Peter Sushi is not only compatible with transcending it aids and abetts it! There is something primordial about eating it that goes right to our basic genetic make-up: raw fish and rice...something right from the sea and something right from the fields. --- dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Dear Sidha Community: I heard yesterday and confirmed today that Howard Settle has stepped forward to donate $1 million per month for twelve months to fulfill Maharishi's call to support 2000 Sidhas for $500 per per month for an Invincible America. These 2000 Sidhas will do 8 hours of program in the Domes daily. Jai Guru Dev, Dick Mays Donating a million per month. That is extremely generous of this guy. What sort of accounting controls do you think he put on the money this time? -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Pope's speech on Faith and reason ( Theocracy Vs. Democr...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 9/19/06 2:03:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, babajii_99@ writes: And I have to disagree with the premise, that Islamic countries are not ready for Democracy. I think any civilized people are ready for it, but may need more time and help depending on what their previous experiences have been. May need more time and help = not ready snip Needing more time or needing help doesn't mean a country isn't ready for democracy. Uh, well, yes, it does, by definition. It would be ready for democracy only if it *didn't* need more time and help. It's not an insult or a criticism to say Iraq isn't ready for democracy, given what they've been through and the disastrous mess the U.S. has made of the occupation. The U.S. obviously wasn't ready for democracy, as evidenced by their civil war which took hundreds of thousands of lives. Grow up, MDixon. Judy's right. And Judy's worldview should prevail: We should have two United States today: North U.S. where slavery is illegal and South U.S. where slavery and discrimination against Blacks is the law of the land. But Bush tries to portray it as an insult, or a lack of faith in the Iraqis' innate ability to have a democracy. He even portrayed it as racism in that passage I quoted. He does this to try to intimidate his critics, but it's a straw man. No responsible politician or leader that I've heard has ever suggested the Iraqis are *innately* incapable of democracy. Democracy has not always come easily to those that enjoy it now. Right. We in the U.S. weren't ready for it for quite some time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: effortlessness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vajradhatu108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not to say effort is bad, is just part and parcel of dualistic paths. Reflexively authentic open awareness is not focused on any particular object and this is why no effort is needed. Any consciousness by necessity arises from causes, one of which is an object, even a subtle object. Self-arisen wisdom does not need an object. In fact effortless, nonmeditation requires *no subject or object. You mention something called a dualistic path above, which necessitates the existence of a non-dualistic path, which is of course impossible, for who is on the path then? So, even an effortless nonmeditation, where the goal is self-arisen wisdom, is a practice distinct from daily activity, and hence, a dualistic path. What you have described above is a non-dual nonmeditation possibly *within a dualistic path*, requiring effort to distinquish between the nonmeditation used to bring about self-arisen wisdom, and all other activity. Only when we speak about our establishment in a non-dual state, and the path existing *within* the non-dual state, is any practice of meditation, or nonmeditation, or watching TV, or eating a meal, dancing or sleeping, experienced as a non-dual path, within the non- dual state; A path of endless knowledge, existing within itself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: This is almost as silly as suing McDonald's over cholesteral
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: California Sues GM, Ford, Toyota Over Global Warming (Update1) I agree. These automakers lack of social responsibility is appalling- where they must be sued or legislated into making any socially responsible changes at all. Ever survived a car accident? If so, thank your seat belts, airbags, etc. which were mandated by legislation. One other point- I can choose to eat at McDees or not. Not so regarding driving my car, as the automotive lobby was instrumental in dimantling the public transportation (streetcar) networks at the turn of the 19th-20th centuries. Free market economics are pretty good and I support them. However the role of the government is to control them due to their natural evolution into monopolies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
