Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: He Came Out Of The Himalayas
Nice !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mars had Life
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Gosh, that might really ruined Salyavin's day. :-D Why? They possibly found life there in the 70's but they landed the rover in the wrong place and two of the three experiments they had on board to test for life weren't designed for the terrain they found themselves in. The one experiment that possibly did find life was discounted as they did it on a majority vote. All expeditions to Mars since then have worked on the basis that there is no life and they haven't repeated the original experiments to make sure. Why would discovering life anywhere ruin my day? I can't work that bit out. You aren't going to get anywhere by asking questions of John, Sal. As I've pointed out many times and as you yourself have noticed, no possibility of actual dialogue exists with someone who is as gullible, feeble-minded, devoid of reasoning skills, and convinced of the Absolute Truth of the silly things he believes as he is. He's the kinda guy who would actually *believe* the horseshit in this video I found on FB: The Principle | Facebook The Principle | Facebook Why are leading atheists freaking out about this new documentary? Why are they trying to hide the evidence? View on www.facebook.com Preview by Yahoo You'll love this, Salyavin. You thought that *Hagelin* misuses science to present hokum as if it were science? Wait until you watch *these* supposed scientists jump through hoops to prove their notion of a God in this astounding exercise in self-importance. They're actually trying to go back in time to the notion of an Earth-centric universe. What I like the most, however, is the notion of leading atheists freaking out that someone came up with in the teaser line for this video. What on earth do they think constitutes leading atheists? Do they think we non-theists have *contests* in which we sit around competing for first place, shouting No, *I* believe less in the Invisible Man In The Sky than you do!? :-) But that's JohnR to a T, just another irrational theist imagining a gotcha in some imaginary battle against atheists that's happening only inside his own head. *Just* as he did when he hoped that his silly hokum about Mars would ruin your day. He's just doing what fundamentalist believers have done for centuries -- projecting *THEIR* greatest fears onto us. He knows that if *he* ever was confronted with real evidence that contradicted any of the things he believes in so strongly it would ruin *his* day, so he mistakenly assumes that the same thing would happen for us. As you've stated so eloquently and so often, it wouldn't -- we *enjoy* learning new things and having it *demonstrated* how little we know. It's the fundamentalists who think they know everything and have nothing new to learn because they read about it some scripture who are terrified of real scientific discoveries. It's all just more self-important nonsense from the believers in the Invisible Man In The Sky. They've been like this for centuries, and they'll probably be like this for several more centuries, even after the rational world has passed them by and left them chanting and praying to their gods like the Neanderthals they are. You nailed it some time back with your citation of Shelley's great quote: God is an hypothesis, and, as such, stands in need of proof: the onus probandi – the burden of proof – rests on the theist. Here's a more modern scientist, saying essentially the same thing: On 11/04/2014 03:30 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The NASA chief also claimed it may have life now. It appears that NASA is about to make an official statement regarding its findings on Mars based on data from the rovers. Stay tuned. http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-did-and-might-have-life-says-nasa-boss
Re: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath
As he often does, humorist-commentator Andy Borowitz nailed the particular brand of hatred that was really driving this election, and why the people who supposedly won it will still be as pissed off today as they were yesterday: I don't want to disappoint a lot of angry voters out there, but even if Republicans gain control of the Senate, the President will still be black. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath If you voted Republican, you're a supporter of evil. Evil -- harming the masses to make a profit. From this day forth, fuck you. I will not acknowledge you here -- you're a dead soul -- why would I talk to your zombie shell still breathing in the space in which once your innocence resided? As this Age grinds on, I may be bludgeoned along with the rest of ya, but at least I'll be able to laugh as you go down with the ship, America, as it's scuttled for the insurance money (I mean, credit default swaps.) the look on your face would be priceless, but I can see it enough in my imaginarium. Maybe I will drown before you, but at least I'll know that water's icy body-slam will have your teeth chatter-shatter-cracking against themselves as your last thoughts are that you could have done something other than lead a life of such immense harm to so many. I will not purposefully abide having in my mind any of the production of the sick fucks still HAUNTING this group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Energy Technology
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : These can be found in the messages from the crop circles. This new technology would more likely be suppressed by the energy companies and the military-industrial complex. Youtube is the opium of the masses. A plot by the New World Order to keep everyone in a state of complete mentally distracted ignorance. Probably a billion videos about that too And there really isn't anyone who is suckin' on that opium pipe more than JohnR. It's actually worse than Richard Williams, who seems to believe that It's true if I found it on Wikipedia. JohnR thinks It's true if I found it on YouTube.
[FairfieldLife] Blackmore on NDE's
The recent study on Near Death Experiences was widely misreported by a hopeful media and caused a frenzy in pseudo-science pages on facebook etc. Susan Blackmore has spent a lifetime studying the paranormal and brain functioning and even had an NDE herself, her opinion is obviously worth hearing, her bit starts at 10 mins in: http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : I'm going to have to take this video one step at a time. Too much exposure to this bollocks at once could possibly be fatal. You sound very prejudiced against certain groups. Prejudice is forming judgments toward people or a person because of their religion, age, sexuality, social class, or other personal characteristics. On 11/4/2014 12:34 PM, salyavin808 wrote: That's the first thing in this post that makes no sense. Let me explain it to you: Prejudice is a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. You sound like you're prejudiced against Hindus and Christians. It's just an observation based on what you've posted about Ann and Share. You do seem to have a prejudice against Jews as wellwhich might be a result of your upbringing or because of peer pressure. My first observation is, and I may be imagining it, but JH looks like he doesn't believe it ether. In fact he looks positively embarrassed. Something in the way his face pinches up when he talks. If I was a copper interviewing him about some heinous crime I wouldn't believe a word of it. Lying through his teeth. Non sequitur. That's the second. Non sequitur is an inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence: JH Having a pinched up face or not has nothing to do with you being wrong-headed about jyotish and yagya. But then, considering the amount of money involved that's exactly how I do feel. So, how much money have you donated to the movement? Apparently it was the movement that supported you for a decade. Cognitive dissonance?You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the movement and now you're upset and want to take your anger out on spiritual all religious groups. Go figure. Full house! You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the movement and now you're upset and want to take your anger out on spiritual and religious groups online. Go figure. Ricky, I am finally getting the knack of how you roll (well, in the last three months I have) and you will outlast everyone here and not even end up breathing hard or elevating your heart rate. I gotta give you credit. You are a sly one and laughing as you go. Good for you. I love a person who knows how to play and to do so without malice. Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine spending all day trolling people! Imagine doing it for almost *twenty years* now, as Richard Williams has. You also should remember, Salyavin, that in this post you are conversing with the woman (Ann) who holds Judy Stein as her idol and once wrote that she feels she is in a contest with Judy to determine who can be the Queen Bitch on Fairfield Life. *Of course* someone who thinks like this is going to fall for Richard Williams' act, which is essentially a lobotomized version of Judy's, which she modeled her own act on. So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time too. Go figure. Again, this is the result of placing the person who more or less *invented* the sick FFL dynamic (Judy) on a pedestal. To people who think like Ann and Richard and Judy, outlasting the people you're trying to demonize is The Whole Point. It's how they think they win, by getting in the last word. I actually think that this tactic may be an extension of True Believerism itself. The *essence* of being a TB is that one hangs in there, continuing to believe No Matter What. Think TMers who still believe that there is such a thing as the Maharishi Effect decades after it was pretty much definitively proven that it didn't exist. In their minds *as TBs*, the way that they prove their faith and win is to hang in there with untenable beliefs the longest. So they apply this same brainwashed model to debating non-believers: If I can just 'outlast this heretic, I'll have 'won' and proved my beliefs superior to his.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Energy Technology
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : These can be found in the messages from the crop circles. This new technology would more likely be suppressed by the energy companies and the military-industrial complex. Youtube is the opium of the masses. A plot by the New World Order to keep everyone in a state of complete mentally distracted ignorance. Probably a billion videos about that too And there really isn't anyone who is suckin' on that opium pipe more than JohnR. It's actually worse than Richard Williams, who seems to believe that It's true if I found it on Wikipedia. JohnR thinks It's true if I found it on YouTube. I think it's a theory worth exploring, this easy access to total drivel must be affecting how people assess evidence and formulate theories. If you don't study science at school you might get fooled into thinking that any documentary lookalike video with a voice over is as likely to be true as something that has had quality research behind it. It must be having an affect on how people judge things, how they see the world. And most importantly why they choose to disbelieve so much that is clear to the rest of us. It's what is fuelling the idiocracy, except it's an idiocracy of people who are wilfully misinformed rather than intrinsically stupid. A passive populace kept occupied wondering about crop circles and aliens on the sun is just the sort of thing governments would want if they were up to no good and didn't want people looking into it. It's a conspiracy!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Energy Technology
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : These can be found in the messages from the crop circles. This new technology would more likely be suppressed by the energy companies and the military-industrial complex. Youtube is the opium of the masses. A plot by the New World Order to keep everyone in a state of complete mentally distracted ignorance. Probably a billion videos about that too And there really isn't anyone who is suckin' on that opium pipe more than JohnR. It's actually worse than Richard Williams, who seems to believe that It's true if I found it on Wikipedia. JohnR thinks It's true if I found it on YouTube. I think it's a theory worth exploring, this easy access to total drivel must be affecting how people assess evidence and formulate theories. If you don't study science at school you might get fooled into thinking that any documentary lookalike video with a voice over is as likely to be true as something that has had quality research behind it. It must be having an affect on how people judge things, how they see the world. And most importantly why they choose to disbelieve so much that is clear to the rest of us. It's what is fuelling the idiocracy, except it's an idiocracy of people who are wilfully misinformed rather than intrinsically stupid. A passive populace kept occupied wondering about crop circles and aliens on the sun is just the sort of thing governments would want if they were up to no good and didn't want people looking into it. It's a conspiracy! Sadly, it probably is. ALL governments these days would probably prefer that their populations focus on silly shit like this rather than what's being done to them on a daily basis. Interestingly, humorist Will Rogers found the solution to this decades ago:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mars had Life
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Gosh, that might really ruined Salyavin's day. :-D Why? They possibly found life there in the 70's but they landed the rover in the wrong place and two of the three experiments they had on board to test for life weren't designed for the terrain they found themselves in. The one experiment that possibly did find life was discounted as they did it on a majority vote. All expeditions to Mars since then have worked on the basis that there is no life and they haven't repeated the original experiments to make sure. Why would discovering life anywhere ruin my day? I can't work that bit out. You aren't going to get anywhere by asking questions of John, Sal. As I've pointed out many times and as you yourself have noticed, no possibility of actual dialogue exists with someone who is as gullible, feeble-minded, devoid of reasoning skills, and convinced of the Absolute Truth of the silly things he believes as he is. He's the kinda guy who would actually *believe* the horseshit in this video I found on FB: The Principle | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527fref=nf https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527fref=nf The Principle | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527fref=nf Why are leading atheists freaking out about this new documentary? Why are they trying to hide the evidence? View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527fref=nf Preview by Yahoo You'll love this, Salyavin. You thought that *Hagelin* misuses science to present hokum as if it were science? Wait until you watch *these* supposed scientists jump through hoops to prove their notion of a God in this astounding exercise in self-importance. They're actually trying to go back in time to the notion of an Earth-centric universe. Wow, it's a bit of a deliberately bombastic explosion of insinuation. I think there's a lot of out-of-context quotes here, and also a lot of media scientists with books to plug who probably didn't know they were being co-opted into some sort of religious thing. What I like the most, however, is the notion of leading atheists freaking out that someone came up with in the teaser line for this video. What on earth do they think constitutes leading atheists? Do they think we non-theists have *contests* in which we sit around competing for first place, shouting No, *I* believe less in the Invisible Man In The Sky than you do!? :-) I don't know what evidence they are supposed to be hiding! It's pretty obvious this is an amazing place - possibly the only place with sentient life anywhere, that makes it special to me, but is there a religious principle behind it? I don't think so, and I'd be surprised if some of the scientists on there I recognised thought so. It's a poor physicist that concludes there is a god just because they don't have an immediate answer for something. It's easier than thinking for sure but accepting magic as an explanation isn't what they're paid for! I suspect that the makers of this video have edited it highly suggestively and creatively. Just like people did with the recent NDE research and just about everything else I come across on the net. The conspiracy gathers pace! But that's JohnR to a T, just another irrational theist imagining a gotcha in some imaginary battle against atheists that's happening only inside his own head. *Just* as he did when he hoped that his silly hokum about Mars would ruin your day. Oh, I think that was Bhairitu! He must have misunderstood me if he wants egg on my face Yes. On 11/04/2014 03:30 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The NASA chief also claimed it may have life now. It appears that NASA is about to make an official statement regarding its findings on Mars based on data from the rovers. Stay tuned. http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-did-and-might-have-life-says-nasa-boss http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-did-and-might-have-life-says-nasa-boss
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
I'd choose to move forward. In my cosmology, you've got to. The lessons do not go away. I like this Steve. I have never seen such a waste of life as people trying to duck personal responsibility, and consequences. A few here have unfortunately made it their life's work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : You know, things change. Movements change. A friend of mine told me yesterday that teachers are not to wear suits and ties when lecturing. Evidently the movement wants to project a different image. And you know what? A big so what. MMY presented TM as the solution all problems. I was there. I presented that as a vision of possibilities, but never losing sight, that nothing ever moves in a straight line. What I am saying, is that, so what, if this development about focusing on issues people have that aren't alleviated by TM appears to be in direct opposition to what the Master proclaimed. He's gone now, and maybe it's time for some corrections,or adjustments. It's how things move forward. Or, maybe resentment is coming to the fore, because it is finally being acknowledged. The friend who told me about the dress code was on the receiving end of harsh judgments back in the day because of difficult times he went through. And now he is being vindicated to a certain extent. But you either move forward, or you continue to harbor resentments. I'd choose to move forward. In my cosmology, you've got to. The lessons do not go away. End of preaching. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Share, Did you ever take Ali Najafee's SET seminars in Fairfield? I know someone who was there when they were going on and it seemed to strike a nerve doing exactly what you are talking about. There were massively popular back in the lat 80's. Since then there have been oodles of people through FF with this message John Gray, Barbara De Agangelis... Although I am a fan of some emotional work, many of these courses had an assumptive cult vibe about their perspectives also. Assumptions on parade! That combined with taking advantage of meditator's imaginatively lively trance states. But this perspective is in direct conflict with Maharishi's teaching about these kinds of programs and their value to TM people. It says tat TM is not a complete self development program and that was not what Maharishi was teaching or selling. He was selling a solution to ALL problems and reflected the biases of his tradition which was don't fix it, transcend it. Personally I support whatever you find value in for you. Conceptually I see this as pretty clear evidence that the TM self development programs don't so what they claimed to do. This counter-evidence is being ignored and jeri rigged into a new system of self development that you guys are creating on your own in FF. (Not that there is anything wrong with that from outside the movement.) Participating in these programs was explicitly discouraged by Maharishi, I never heard him say anything close to the conclusion you have drawn for yourself. I have no beef with the accommodations you have made to make up for the programs' falures, good on ya sista! But my interest here is in Maharishi's teaching and in that context your perspective for what people need is hampered by an absolutist teaching that promises what it cannot deliver. We didn't hear the message wrong, the message was wrong. And it discourages people who could use some other kind of help from getting it. It enables people with real mental problems and when they blow up, the movement turns is back on them as damaged goods, victimizing the victim with the stigma of not living up to the unrealistic perfectionist standard in the movement. Thanks for promoting conversation from different perspectives here Share. I think we are on the same page on that front. ---In fairfieldli...@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, it's only recently that some spiritual groups, including the TMO, have recognized the importance of emotional good health and social intelligence to go along with the what empty hilariously calls litement. Or maybe I should say that it's only recently that such groups realized that expert help might be needed in these areas. IOW, we don't tell someone with a toothache to get their meditation checked! So why not use experts for these other important areas of human development? And I see that even the SAND conference featured a panel that focused on, according to Rick's BAT intro, emotions and spirituality. It seems to be the hot topic these days and I am mightily relieved. I love it when disagreements on FFL revolve around ideas and evidence and rationality rather than personal attacks,no matter how cleverly worded. I'm aiming to be, as best as I can, the change I wanna see... From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
You and I would rant too, if in his circumstances. He really messed up his life, and now has nothing. Can you imagine being asked to baby sit the three year old, while the other adults go upstairs for sex? Must be pretty humiliating. I think B is being seriously exploited regarding the roommate situation, and he takes it out on FFL. It is a sad life for him, though one he actively sought out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : One in particular continues to rant about it every day, religiously, in fact. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : We seem to have some grumpy old men here who actually believe that some of the folks take what they call woo woo things very seriously. Actually a number of people are just curious and want to see if there's anything to them. On 11/04/2014 09:16 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Share, Did you ever take Ali Najafee's SET seminars in Fairfield? I know someone who was there when they were going on and it seemed to strike a nerve doing exactly what you are talking about. There were massively popular back in the lat 80's. Since then there have been oodles of people through FF with this message John Gray, Barbara De Agangelis... Although I am a fan of some emotional work, many of these courses had an assumptive cult vibe about their perspectives also. Assumptions on parade! That combined with taking advantage of meditator's imaginatively lively trance states. But this perspective is in direct conflict with Maharishi's teaching about these kinds of programs and their value to TM people. It says tat TM is not a complete self development program and that was not what Maharishi was teaching or selling. He was selling a solution to ALL problems and reflected the biases of his tradition which was don't fix it, transcend it. Personally I support whatever you find value in for you. Conceptually I see this as pretty clear evidence that the TM self development programs don't so what they claimed to do. This counter-evidence is being ignored and jeri rigged into a new system of self development that you guys are creating on your own in FF. (Not that there is anything wrong with that from outside the movement.) Participating in these programs was explicitly discouraged by Maharishi, I never heard him say anything close to the conclusion you have drawn for yourself. I have no beef with the accommodations you have made to make up for the programs' falures, good on ya sista! But my interest here is in Maharishi's teaching and in that context your perspective for what people need is hampered by an absolutist teaching that promises what it cannot deliver. We didn't hear the message wrong, the message was wrong. And it discourages people who could use some other kind of help from getting it. It enables people with real mental problems and when they blow up, the movement turns is back on them as damaged goods, victimizing the victim with the stigma of not living up to the unrealistic perfectionist standard in the movement. Thanks for promoting conversation from different perspectives here Share. I think we are on the same page on that front. ---In fairfieldli...@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldli...@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, it's only recently that some spiritual groups, including the TMO, have recognized the importance of emotional good health and social intelligence to go along with the what empty hilariously calls litement. Or maybe I should say that it's only recently that such groups realized that expert help might be needed in these areas. IOW, we don't tell someone with a toothache to get their meditation checked! So why not use experts for these other important areas of human development? And I see that even the SAND conference featured a panel that focused on, according to Rick's BAT intro, emotions and spirituality. It seems to be the hot topic these days and I am mightily relieved. I love it when disagreements on FFL revolve around ideas and evidence and rationality rather than personal attacks,no matter how cleverly worded. I'm aiming to be, as best as I can, the change I wanna see... From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL? There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.) And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions about their state of mind and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
I'm waiting for some brainwashed TM TB to find a way to spin this as a positive result of the ME, and all of that Woo Woo emanating from butt-bouncing in the domes and raising the consciousness level of all Iowa. Let me guess... This is one of those the Laws Of Nature causing some 'minor normalization' thangs, like Fairfield's suicide rate and the Pundit Riots. :-) From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a castrated hog.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: He Came Out Of The Himalayas
Yep, I thought so too. The writer captured the vibe of the place very well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Nice !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore on NDE's
Perhaps your next foray, along with the other scientists here, will be to question whether or not the earth is round. We are all ears... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The recent study on Near Death Experiences was widely misreported by a hopeful media and caused a frenzy in pseudo-science pages on facebook etc. Susan Blackmore has spent a lifetime studying the paranormal and brain functioning and even had an NDE herself, her opinion is obviously worth hearing, her bit starts at 10 mins in: http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
Here's my positive spin: it's another major thwack on the collective back so
that each individual will stop looking outside themselves for litement or
whatever!
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
I'm waiting for some brainwashed TM TB to find a way to spin this as a
positive result of the ME, and all of that Woo Woo emanating from
butt-bouncing in the domes and raising the consciousness level of all Iowa. Let
me guess...
This is one of those the Laws Of Nature causing some 'minor normalization'
thangs, like Fairfield's suicide rate and the Pundit Riots. :-)
From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you
want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be
a castrated hog.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath
Quick Edg, in thirty seconds, name five ways in which the Republican Senate will negatively impact you, personally. Ooops, times up. Still a blank sheet of paper? Yep. Pt, there's a group here who does the same thing with the TMO and Maharishi. Perhaps you can climb on board? They seem to always need new members. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If you voted Republican, you're a supporter of evil. Evil -- harming the masses to make a profit. From this day forth, fuck you. I will not acknowledge you here -- you're a dead soul -- why would I talk to your zombie shell still breathing in the space in which once your innocence resided? As this Age grinds on, I may be bludgeoned along with the rest of ya, but at least I'll be able to laugh as you go down with the ship, America, as it's scuttled for the insurance money (I mean, credit default swaps.) the look on your face would be priceless, but I can see it enough in my imaginarium. Maybe I will drown before you, but at least I'll know that water's icy body-slam will have your teeth chatter-shatter-cracking against themselves as your last thoughts are that you could have done something other than lead a life of such immense harm to so many. I will not purposefully abide having in my mind any of the production of the sick fucks still HAUNTING this group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL? There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.) And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions about their state of mind and life in place of making a reasoned argument for the positive power of their beliefs. The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of the movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : Yeah but you are a poopy pants so neirner, neiner, neiner! This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi here that the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with fabrications about the critics personal life and business, is the go-to weapon in practically every response. It's called Hive Mind, and it looks like this: Bark Lice Moving In Sync Provide An Interesting Look Into The Hive Mind Of Insects And let me cut off the but. but, but he started it routine. You guys are supposed to be representing the most precious knowledge of mankind and HIGHER states of consciousness. I am just an ordinary working artist. (Yeah, Nabs jump on that to prove my point, go ahead!) I am not the one making claims that I am in a permanent state of infused being or that I am somehow participating in the most important work for the future of mankind, saving the world for an actual example claim. So when your reaction to me saying that Maharishi seemed to be a super ambitious guy selling a panacea (which he literally and explicitly WAS) is to attack what I do for a living, or make up that I am somehow not successful in my life or career which you could know NOTHING about... you reveal that, like your self proclaimed master the emperor has no clothes. Just notice what you are about to type right now. Let's see if there is a response that makes a cogent point to reflect upon concerning the power and beauty of this knowledge you hold so dear... or if it is the same old routine. I am gunna predict no response because I just took away the only response you got. I would love to be proven wrong. Conversation might actually break out here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and frustration in the real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with heavy problems like living on the streets, addicts of all kinds very often have the Insight to see from where their problems stem; themselves. Not so on FFL. Me thinks my old theory still holds; many of the participants here are quitters that jumped the ship that could have brought them safely across the Ocean (as Muktananda described TM). Unconsciously they know this but instead of analyzing themselves honestly they start to kick in all other directions than where a kick would be justified; their own butt. Add to this the fact that many have reached an age where bitterness and anger perhaps is irreversable. Particularily they blame the only Saint they ever knew for their failure not realizing he was only there to guide and inspire, the real work had to be done by the student himself. Not having the inclination towards self-discipline any path requires anger builds up and eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily basis by several poor souls here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article I posted, specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic people, and Share gets hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot to say about what we would do, if... I used it as an opportunity to use technique #1, set limits, not that Share is toxic, but she sometimes writes, before thinking it through. I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his button pushing and desire to get in touch with his inner asshole (his words, not mine...). However, I also recognize that his life is basically over - He doesn't have the strength for a jog around the block, and his mind is growing feeble. All my life I have defended the underdog, and even now, with B spouting his usual, I cannot get angry with him. My heart pities him. He doesn't have much of a life, and if he needs to spend it on here denigrating others, so be it. He is easy enough to ignore. I worked with a few people at the nursing home, filled both with rage and dementia, and there is not much to do, except wait for them to settle down of their own accord, usually after mealtimes. As Nabby mentioned about these types, their self anger catches fire, and all we can do is watch it burn out of control. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, I'd
Re: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath
I LOVE Jon Stewart! Laughing my head off. Great way to get beheaded (-:
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath
Good riddance. The rest of the world won't miss America when it's gone.
Maybe Game Of Thrones, but it's not shot in America anyway, so we can imagine
that Westeros might just carry on.
As usual, John Stewart nailed the meme that won the election. Americans are
total suckers for F E A R, so to get their vote all you have to do is repackage
the latest fear du jour and spend billions of dollars to broadcast it 24/7:
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath
If you voted Republican, you're a supporter of evil.
Evil -- harming the masses to make a profit.
From this day forth, fuck you. I will not acknowledge you here -- you're a
dead soul -- why would I talk to your zombie shell still breathing in the
space in which once your innocence resided?
As this Age grinds on, I may be bludgeoned along with the rest of ya, but at
least I'll be able to laugh as you go down with the ship, America, as it's
scuttled for the insurance money (I mean, credit default swaps.) the
look on your face would be priceless, but I can see it enough in my
imaginarium.
Maybe I will drown before you, but at least I'll know that water's icy
body-slam will have your teeth chatter-shatter-cracking against themselves as
your last thoughts are that you could have done something other than lead a
life of such immense harm to so many.
I will not purposefully abide having in my mind any of the production of the
sick fucks still HAUNTING this group.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
No, no, you two are being way too simplistic with this. There are two groups here on FFL distinguished in their science by ontology; one group who are transcendentalists by depth of experience and the others who are ignorant of spiritual experience. It breaks out pretty clearly along that line. I can appreciate that you guys can not see this and that you think instead that it is about you. -Buck turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues [FairfieldLife] You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL? There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.) And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions about their state of mind and life in place of making a reasoned argument for the positive power of their beliefs. The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of the movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : Yeah but you are a poopy pants so neirner, neiner, neiner! This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi here that the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with fabrications about the critics personal life and business, is the go-to weapon in practically every response. It's called Hive Mind, and it looks like this: Bark Lice Moving In Sync Provide An Interesting Look Into The Hive Mind Of Insects http://digg.com/video/bark-lice-moving-in-sync-provide-an-interesting-look-into-the-hive-mind-of-insects And let me cut off the but. but, but he started it routine. You guys are supposed to be representing the most precious knowledge of mankind and HIGHER states of consciousness. I am just an ordinary working artist. (Yeah, Nabs jump on that to prove my point, go ahead!) I am not the one making claims that I am in a permanent state of infused being or that I am somehow participating in the most important work for the future of mankind, saving the world for an actual example claim. So when your reaction to me saying that Maharishi seemed to be a super ambitious guy selling a panacea (which he literally and explicitly WAS) is to attack what I do for a living, or make up that I am somehow not successful in my life or career which you could know NOTHING about... you reveal that, like your self proclaimed master the emperor has no clothes. Just notice what you are about to type right now. Let's see if there is a response that makes a cogent point to reflect upon concerning the power and beauty of this knowledge you hold so dear... or if it is the same old routine. I am gunna predict no response because I just took away the only response you got. I would love to be proven wrong. Conversation might actually break out here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and frustration in the real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with heavy problems like living on the streets, addicts of all kinds very often have the Insight to see from where their problems stem; themselves. Not so on FFL. Me thinks my old theory still holds; many of the participants here are quitters that jumped the ship that could have brought them safely across the Ocean (as Muktananda described TM). Unconsciously they know this but instead of analyzing themselves honestly they start to kick in all other directions than where a kick would be justified; their own butt. Add to this the fact that many have reached an age where bitterness and anger perhaps is irreversable. Particularily they blame the only Saint they ever knew for their failure not realizing he was only there to guide and inspire, the real work had to be done by the student himself. Not having the inclination towards self-discipline any path requires anger builds up and eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily basis by several poor souls here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article I posted, specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic people, and Share gets hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot to say about what we would do, if... I used it as an opportunity to use technique #1, set limits, not that Share is toxic, but she sometimes writes, before thinking it through. I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his button pushing and desire to get in touch with his inner asshole (his words, not mine...). However, I also recognize that his life is basically over - He doesn't have the strength for a jog around the block, and his mind is growing feeble. All my life I have defended the underdog, and even now, with B spouting his usual, I cannot get angry with him. My heart pities him. He doesn't have much of a life, and if he needs to spend it on here denigrating
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
Richard, do you oppose same sex marriage and if so, why? Thank you
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
On 11/4/2014 10:33 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want
to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a
castrated hog.
As goes Iowa, so goes the nation. It looks like the war on women failed to
gain any traction. Among policy positions, Ernst supports a balanced budget,
free-market health care, gun rights, partial privatization of Social Security
accounts and protection of social security for seniors, and federal tax reform.
She opposes cap and trade, a federal minimum wage, and same-sex marriage. Go
figure.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red
Thanks, Fleetwood, this theater meme got me back on track thinking wise...
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:44 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red
It is mostly theater, as much of the federal budget is already spoken for,
regardless of the party in power.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :
Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want
to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a
castrated hog.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Phenomenology of Consciousness
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From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Phenomenology of Consciousness
Another crucial point that is often missed is that Maharishi's typology is
a tantric rendering of the seven states, not a strictly Vedantic map. The 'God
Consciousness' described by Maharishi is based on Sri Vidya principles: The
Absolute as the creative source - the divine Mother, Tripura, which is the main
doctrine of both Sri Vidya and Kashmir Shivaism.
Tripura can be an anthropomorphic deity, but the subtler tantric practices are
directed towards Tripura as the formless - that is, the fourth state which is
beyond or transcendental to, the three gross states (three cities) symbolized
by AUM in the Mandukhya Upanishad and the cogent commentary by Gaudapadacharya.
The Sri Yantra is the map of the seven states, which agrees with Maharishi's
layout, with the bindu at the center. According to tantra the bindu is the
highest state of transcendence. The term 'Trika' means three - that comes from
the idea that there are three levels of consciousness: waking, dreaming, and
sleeping, and a fourth called the Transcendental state.
Trika also means that there are three types of aspirants, so that there are
three meditation techniques, one suitable for each person's level of spiritual
ability. Swami Rama on the Mandukya Upanishad:
Atman has Four Aspects: All of this, everywhere, is in truth
Brahman, the Absolute Reality.
This very Self itself, Atman, is also Brahman, the Absolute
Reality. This Atman or Self has four aspects through which
it operates.
Works cited:
Enlightenment Without God
Mandukya Upanishad
By Swami Rama
Himalayan Institute Press, 1982
Other titles of interest:
The Secret of the Three Cities
An Introduction to Hindu Sakta Tantrism
By Douglas Renfrew Brooks
University Of Chicago Press, 1998
The Triadic Heart of Siva
Kaula Tantricism of Abhinavagupta in the Non-Dual Shaivism of Kashmir
By Paul Eduardo Muller-Ortega
State University of New York Press, 1989
On 11/3/2014 4:52 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Kashmiri Shaiva teachings deviate from the Kevala Advaita of Shankara. They are
Tantra teachings only and although theoretically interesting, they lack the
uncompromising directness of Shankara's Upanishad exegesis.
The Vedanta doctrine contends that there is only one ultimate reality which
never changes; therefore the manifest world is an *appearance* only. Kashmir
Saivism contends that there is only one reality, but it has two aspects;
therefore the manifestation is real. This is based on the argument that the
effect cannot be different from its cause.
According to Theos Bernard, Kashmir Saivism teaches that consciousness
alternates between two phases, rest and action. You can easily see the relation
to TM practice when you consider that this is almost exactly what MMY said at
Squaw Valley!
In both deep sleep and transcendental consciousness there is no consciousness
of objects. But this objective consciousness is present in an unmanifest *seed*
form in deep sleep while it is completely transcended in the turiya. -
Mandukya Upanishad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandukya_Upanishad
Works Cited:
Philosophical Foundations of India
By Theos Bernard, Ph.D.
Philosophical Publishing House, 1947
pp. 129-130
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'm waiting for some brainwashed TM TB to find a way to spin this as a positive result of the ME, and all of that Woo Woo emanating from butt-bouncing in the domes and raising the consciousness level of all Iowa. Let me guess... This was clearly caused by the low dome numbers. We've only got ourselves to blame if nature doesn't support us, we've got to support her first. The only way to save the US is with a huge national yagya. Make those lazy superstrings and sub-mesons work for us for a change! This is one of those the Laws Of Nature causing some 'minor normalization' thangs, like Fairfield's suicide rate and the Pundit Riots. :-) From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a castrated hog.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
John, I don't see how the principle of ends not justifying means fits in this
situation. The person is taking their own life, probably to avoid unnecessary
suffering. What is morally wrong about that, in your view?
From: jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
Share,
The correct answer is that one should follow one's conscience to the best of
his or her ability. But one should follow the principle that the end does not
justify the means. IMO, ending one's own life through suicide is not following
the principle above.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
John, I'm not sure that suicide is always in violation of natural law. What
makes you think that?
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
Share,
I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering. My mother also had a very painful
and difficult death. It is not easy to follow a moral act and, as humans, we
should be able to make such choices. But one has to be mindful of performing
acts that do not violate natural laws.
If we violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take effect and could
detrimentally affect our families and society that allow violence or suicide to
occur.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
John, when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my step Dad's life,
and more than once he expressed the wish to be dead, I think suicide is
sometimes the right thing to do. I think unnecessary suffering is morally
wrong.
From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
Bhairitu,
You've raised a good question. But it is considered a higher principle that
the end does not justify the means. In other words, one must act licitly to
make a moral act. You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order
to obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening
in Iraq and Syria. Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own
life.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
If you were suffering from terminalbrain cancer would you really want to see it
through to the end asyour mind, vision, hearing went away?
On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
A woman just committed suicide with the aid ofdoctors in Oregon. Is this
justifiable in your ownthinking?
Vaticanthinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked'
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People No, no, you two are being way too simplistic with this. There are two groups here on FFL distinguished in their science by ontology; one group who are transcendentalists by depth of experience and the others who are ignorant of spiritual experience. It breaks out pretty clearly along that line. Yeah, right. Let's see...between Curtis and I we've probably spent more time in meditation and on long rounding courses than you, we've probably spent more time in the same room with Maharishi than you, and we're on record as having had some remarkable subjective experiences during our time with TM. At least two of the people you characterize as being ignorant of spiritual experience because they're not gung-ho TM supporters have had extended personal experiences with enlightenment. You're lying, Doug. Not just to the audience here, but to yourself. We have had JUST as much (if not more...when was the last time YOU had an experience of enlightenment?) spiritual experience as you or anyone else here has. What you're upset about is that 1) we don't VALUE our experiences as being as important as you think they are, and ) we don't INTERPRET our experiences the way you do. Plus, Curtis and my experience spending many years around Maharishi and Salyavin's experience spending many years in and around the inner workings of the UK TM movement probably give us more hands on experience with movement bureaucracy than you have ever had, and that pretty much anyone else here other than Rick has ever had. You're just pissed off that we don't believe what we were told to believe, the way you do. It really is that simple. We learned to think for ourselves, something you've never managed to do, and you resent it. You're a lemming, and you're pissed off that we stepped out of the crowd running, running, running for that elusive goal you were told is right in front of you, and will appear any day now. I can appreciate that you guys can not see this and that you think instead that it is about you. -Buck OF COURSE it's about us, you dumb fuck. We are the ones you demonize...over and over and over and over and over and...well, you get the picture. And as Curtis points out, you *choose* to demonize us INSTEAD OF saying anything positive about the things you supposedly believe. WE challenge ideas, and you react by trying to demonize US. There is something essentially feeble-minded and pathetic about this... turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues [FairfieldLife] You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL? There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.) And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions about their state of mind and life in place of making a reasoned argument for the positive power of their beliefs. The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of the movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : Yeah but you are a poopy pants so neirner, neiner, neiner! This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi here that the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with fabrications about the critics personal life and business, is the go-to weapon in practically every response. It's called Hive Mind, and it looks like this: Bark Lice Moving In Sync Provide An Interesting Look Into The Hive Mind Of Insects And let me cut off the but. but, but he started it routine. You guys are supposed to be representing the most precious knowledge of mankind and HIGHER states of consciousness. I am just an ordinary working artist. (Yeah, Nabs jump on that to prove my point, go ahead!) I am not the one making claims that I am in a permanent state of infused being or that I am somehow participating in the most important work for the future of mankind, saving the world for an actual example claim. So when your reaction to me saying that Maharishi seemed to be a super ambitious guy selling a panacea (which he literally and explicitly WAS) is to attack what I do for a living, or make up that I am somehow not successful in my life or career which you could know NOTHING about... you reveal that, like your self proclaimed master the emperor has no clothes. Just notice what you are about to type right now. Let's see if there is a response that makes a cogent point to reflect upon concerning the power and beauty of this knowledge you hold so dear... or if it is the same old routine. I am gunna predict no response because I just took away the only response you got. I would love to be proven wrong. Conversation might actually break out here. ---In
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blackmore on NDE's
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Perhaps your next foray, along with the other scientists here, will be to question whether or not the earth is round. We are all ears... I can't tell if that's irony or sarcasm or misunderstandingor what? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The recent study on Near Death Experiences was widely misreported by a hopeful media and caused a frenzy in pseudo-science pages on facebook etc. Susan Blackmore has spent a lifetime studying the paranormal and brain functioning and even had an NDE herself, her opinion is obviously worth hearing, her bit starts at 10 mins in: http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore
[FairfieldLife] Re: The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath
First Barry, and now Edg. This group seems to vacillate between being totally insignificant, and being the locus of all that's wrong with spiritual groups and America in general, according to some. Go figure. Another informant letting us know how unworthy we are, and firing a shot, (maybe the hundredth) that if we don't shape up, they're leaving Okaay. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If you voted Republican, you're a supporter of evil. Evil -- harming the masses to make a profit. From this day forth, fuck you. I will not acknowledge you here -- you're a dead soul -- why would I talk to your zombie shell still breathing in the space in which once your innocence resided? As this Age grinds on, I may be bludgeoned along with the rest of ya, but at least I'll be able to laugh as you go down with the ship, America, as it's scuttled for the insurance money (I mean, credit default swaps.) the look on your face would be priceless, but I can see it enough in my imaginarium. Maybe I will drown before you, but at least I'll know that water's icy body-slam will have your teeth chatter-shatter-cracking against themselves as your last thoughts are that you could have done something other than lead a life of such immense harm to so many. I will not purposefully abide having in my mind any of the production of the sick fucks still HAUNTING this group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath
This, from the largest consumer of American culture, by far. The guy who can recite chapter and verse most every American movie and TV show produced over the last 20, maybe 40 years. And, good to know John Stewart is the final word on how American's think. Of course his gig, (as I understand it, having never watched his show), is to come up with something to grab people's attention every night. Never mind that the election results have followed the same pattern they have for probably the last forty years for off years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Good riddance. The rest of the world won't miss America when it's gone. Maybe Game Of Thrones, but it's not shot in America anyway, so we can imagine that Westeros might just carry on. As usual, John Stewart nailed the meme that won the election. Americans are total suckers for F E A R, so to get their vote all you have to do is repackage the latest fear du jour and spend billions of dollars to broadcast it 24/7: From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath If you voted Republican, you're a supporter of evil. Evil -- harming the masses to make a profit. From this day forth, fuck you. I will not acknowledge you here -- you're a dead soul -- why would I talk to your zombie shell still breathing in the space in which once your innocence resided? As this Age grinds on, I may be bludgeoned along with the rest of ya, but at least I'll be able to laugh as you go down with the ship, America, as it's scuttled for the insurance money (I mean, credit default swaps.) the look on your face would be priceless, but I can see it enough in my imaginarium. Maybe I will drown before you, but at least I'll know that water's icy body-slam will have your teeth chatter-shatter-cracking against themselves as your last thoughts are that you could have done something other than lead a life of such immense harm to so many. I will not purposefully abide having in my mind any of the production of the sick fucks still HAUNTING this group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Litemint and the Rupee Sutras
Ann, the elections are over. You can stop running for office. By which I mean,
you seem just like a politician when you don't say whether you found it LOL
worthy or not.
Usually in conversation a person would say something like: I didn't find that
funny and I'm curious as to why you did.
Then again, I realize that the only time you get humor is when you're writing
something nasty but clever attacking turq.
So, for the humor challenged:it was funny to me when empty called himself a
Tantrik legend in his own mindlitement was funny to meRupee Sutra was funny to
meeppee-tomee was funny to megittin was funny to me
From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Litemint and the Rupee Sutras
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Empty makes me LOL yet again...
What did you find humorous about this Share? I'm not saying I didn't or I did
find it LOL-worthy or not, I'm just very curious what was so funny about what
Empty said.
From: emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 9:16 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Litemint and the Rupee Sutras
In 1995 I paid big $$$ for a TMO Shiva Yajña. It was for gittin Litemint.
Ididn't feel much at the allotted time. Sure enough though, I'm now sofuckin
Litend, I'm like a Tantrik legend in my own mind.
Guess I must be the epee-tomee of an Litend Westerner. I'm even thinking about
changing my nom de guerre to Billy Brahm Illuminati.
$$$ = Litemint. A famous shruti says that in The Rupee Sutras.
It's a formula you can count on ... 24/7/365.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Energy Technology
Youtube is the opium of masses? Okay, great pundit. Thanks for the view from on high. Really, I don't understand why your greatness is not appreciated, or noted by a bigger audience. Do you want us to respond, oooh, wow, the great one has spoken. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Youtube is the opium of the masses. A plot by the New World Order to keep everyone in a state of complete mentally distracted ignorance. Probably a billion videos about that too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAV4iWhFiSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAV4iWhFiSE
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion contrary to your own. maybe you need to circulate more. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine spending all day trolling people! So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time too. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
Strange, Barry. A couple of days ago you seemed excited about going to a film festival or something. A pleasant diversion I guess. But, since then, no word on the latest movies, but rather a doubling down on how bad is FFL, your handpicked members of FFL, and, of course, America. Hey, gotta do something to fill up the day, I guess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I'm waiting for some brainwashed TM TB to find a way to spin this as a positive result of the ME, and all of that Woo Woo emanating from butt-bouncing in the domes and raising the consciousness level of all Iowa. Let me guess... This is one of those the Laws Of Nature causing some 'minor normalization' thangs, like Fairfield's suicide rate and the Pundit Riots. :-) From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:33 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a castrated hog.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red
Divide and conquer is all it is. Get everyone wasting energy and fighting, about steering government in the same direction - Percentage of the Federal budget, already spoken for: 24% Social Security 22% Medicaid, medicare 19% Defense 12% Welfare 8% Benefits for govt. and veterans 6% Interest on the debt 3% Transportation infrastructure 2% Science and med research 1% Education 1% Foreign aid So far, that is 97% of our taxes, that automatically go to these programs, regardless of the party in power. Everybody fights over the remaining 3%. Pretty silly, if you ask me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Thanks, Fleetwood, this theater meme got me back on track thinking wise... From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red It is mostly theater, as much of the federal budget is already spoken for, regardless of the party in power. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a castrated hog.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
From the election results, it is obvious that the Marshy Effect is live and well in Iowa and the entire US. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a castrated hog.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red
98%, actually.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Divide and conquer is all it is. Get everyone wasting energy and fighting, about steering government in the same direction - Percentage of the Federal budget, already spoken for: 24% Social Security 22% Medicaid, medicare 19% Defense 12% Welfare 8% Benefits for govt. and veterans 6% Interest on the debt 3% Transportation infrastructure 2% Science and med research 1% Education 1% Foreign aid So far, that is 97% of our taxes, that automatically go to these programs, regardless of the party in power. Everybody fights over the remaining 3%. Pretty silly, if you ask me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Thanks, Fleetwood, this theater meme got me back on track thinking wise... From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red It is mostly theater, as much of the federal budget is already spoken for, regardless of the party in power. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a castrated hog.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
Yep, a quiet morning - nothing happened, though that party cost us four billion dollars... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : From the election results, it is obvious that the Marshy Effect is live and well in Iowa and the entire US. From: s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:33 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a castrated hog.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Blackmore on NDE's
She is obviously telling black lies spawned in the pits of hell to undermine the efforts of all legitimately near dead people from fulfilling their missions by selling books, cds, seminars and other nostrums to people hungry for spiritual solace. On a more serious note, the NDEs seem to exist for 2 reasons. The first is for a few people like Dannion Brinkly to make bucks and get a lot of attention. The second is to affirm the existence of God, Jesus, Ascended Masters and so on and obviously the existence of life after death. So what do you think happens to a person after death Sal, if the NDEs are all just a lot of brain wave activity? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Blackmore on NDE's The recent study on Near Death Experiences was widely misreported by a hopeful media and caused a frenzy in pseudo-science pages on facebook etc. Susan Blackmore has spent a lifetime studying the paranormal and brain functioning and even had an NDE herself, her opinion is obviously worth hearing, her bit starts at 10 mins in: http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore
[FairfieldLife] Re: Randi on Geller
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I did not see the documentary, but I watched some of the linked clips, and also developed an affection for him, which grew as I learned that he came out and married his partner. What a different approach than someone like Barry, who gets apoplectic with the fact that people enjoy their practice of TM and TMSP, and may even follow an inclination to participate in the Yagya program. Is he trying to save people's souls? There are just so many types of people in this world, Steve. I tend to stick around the ones that are life affirming, joyful and creative. I leave the others to those who like negativity, toxicity and mindlessness. Fortunately, there seems to be more of the former than the latter here at FFL hence I am still hanging in here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Randi also said that after he is gone he does not want his fans to bother with a museum of magic named after him or burying him in a fancy tomb. Instead, he said, I want to be cremated, and I want my ashes blown in Uri Geller's eyes. James Randi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi#cite_note-SF-Weekly-112 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi#cite_note-SF-Weekly-112 James Randi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi#cite_note-SF-Weekly-112 James Randi (born Randall James Hamilton Zwinge, August 7, 1928) is a Canadian-American retired stage magician and scientific skeptic[2][3] best known for his cha... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo The BBC documentary that Seraphita so fantastically turned my attention to was amazing. It was not only interesting in content and exposed some very annoying charlatans but much more importantly was the revelation of the man, of James Randi, who I came to love by the end of the film. His relationship with his young lover and the vulnerability James showed at the end when his partner was arrested for identity theft and then later released with a relatively light sentence was really moving. This small and bent little man who is such a powerful and gentle personality (even within his one-pointed life's purpose in keeping the truth ahead of the lies) was so lovely and so gifted in so many ways. What a little gem of a film and a treasure of a man. Thanks again for linking FFL to this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion contrary to your own. maybe you need to circulate more. Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets out of it is anyone's guess. If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him wasting his time. I don't give a damn. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine spending all day trolling people! So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time too. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
And as I have pointed out before, Steve is a clone of Willy Tex From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : It's wrong, ain't it sal,just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion contrary to your own. maybe you need to circulate more. Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets out of it is anyone's guess. If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him wasting his time. I don't give a damn. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine spending all day trolling people! So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time too. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : I'm going to have to take this video one step at a time. Too much exposure to this bollocks at once could possibly be fatal. You sound very prejudiced against certain groups. Prejudice is forming judgments toward people or a person because of their religion, age, sexuality, social class, or other personal characteristics. On 11/4/2014 12:34 PM, salyavin808 wrote: That's the first thing in this post that makes no sense. Let me explain it to you: Prejudice is a preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. You sound like you're prejudiced against Hindus and Christians. It's just an observation based on what you've posted about Ann and Share. You do seem to have a prejudice against Jews as well which might be a result of your upbringing or because of peer pressure. My first observation is, and I may be imagining it, but JH looks like he doesn't believe it ether. In fact he looks positively embarrassed. Something in the way his face pinches up when he talks. If I was a copper interviewing him about some heinous crime I wouldn't believe a word of it. Lying through his teeth. Non sequitur. That's the second. Non sequitur is an inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence: JH Having a pinched up face or not has nothing to do with you being wrong-headed about jyotish and yagya. But then, considering the amount of money involved that's exactly how I do feel. So, how much money have you donated to the movement? Apparently it was the movement that supported you for a decade. Cognitive dissonance? You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the movement and now you're upset and want to take your anger out on spiritual all religious groups. Go figure. Full house! You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the movement and now you're upset and want to take your anger out on spiritual and religious groups online. Go figure. Ricky, I am finally getting the knack of how you roll (well, in the last three months I have) and you will outlast everyone here and not even end up breathing hard or elevating your heart rate. I gotta give you credit. You are a sly one and laughing as you go. Good for you. I love a person who knows how to play and to do so without malice. Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine spending all day trolling people! So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time too. Go figure. Funny how perception is different for different people. You dig bawee and I think Richard is having the time of his life. Don't underestimate what he's thinking and doing here, not that it will lead to anything beyond entertainment at FFL. bawee takes himself very seriously but Ricky does not, that is a big difference right there.
[FairfieldLife] Nabby's Friends Come to visit
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : It's wrong, ain't it sal,just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion contrary to your own. maybe you need to circulate more. Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets out of it is anyone's guess. If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him wasting his time. I don't give a damn. Steve doesn't understand the distinction you're making because some months ago something happened to him and he began to adopt Willytex's tactics himself. He doesn't really ever add anything to any of the discussions he interrupts or deal with any of the actual issues that the critics have brought up. Instead, he just says something nasty about the critic, hoping 1) to hurt them somehow, and 2) to shut them up. It was really SAD to see this degeneration of his mind happen here on FFL. There was a time when I would have considered him one of the fairly intelligent people here. But then something pushed his buttons Big-Time, and he hasn't been the same since. If I had to guess what it was, I'd guess that he had a strong, largely unconscious reaction to admitted atheists being able to speak here as if their ideas were just as valuable as anyone else's. He resented that so much that he started his anti-atheist diatribes. Now he seems to be able to do nothing BUT get his buttons pushed and lash out. Sad. Maybe he should start meditating again. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine spending all day trolling people! So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time too. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Yoga Camp, was 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
On 11/4/2014 11:31 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: One in particular /There is one informant posting to this group who seems to really enjoy criticizing our leaders for not doing a good job helping the Maharishi spread his meditation message. I'm convinced that Barry and Curtis and Edg did all they could for the movement, and did well considering the circumstances - these are some smart guys. So, I don't agree at all that these guys were insincere doing the Work. /// That was their job - who cares if they sucked at it? /That's dedication to a cause and a true service to help others. It's not important if they became enlightened or not - following the path IS enlightenment. // But, it must be cognitive dissonance on steroids when they read here that they are being accused of lying through their teeth for a couple of decades, trying to sell a snake-oil religion for a fake yogi, and that they gave all the money to him and his relatives over in India. That's highly insulting in my book! / /If true, they spent two lost decades out of their life living in a trance-induction state. / continues to rant about it every day, religiously, in fact. /It's all about Barry and Curtis./ /According to one FFL informant, they were compelled to bow down on their hands and knees inside a golden dome for hours every day; forced to work near slave labor in kitchens and hotels; live in a trailer, pod or an office building; not allowed to enjoy sexual contact with anyone for years; forced to attend religious indoctrination seminars, but often confined to their rooms except for an occasional boat ride; and forced to attend yoga camps at obscure locations - and not even allowed to go across the street to buy an ice cream cone. It's just outrageous! //Some people do move on - they go to school, get an education and graduate, and then they work and raise a family. Some go on to be happy chefs and/or artists or successful business owners. ///Others just seem to remain on the same level all their life, with a few interspersed failures, bitter, angry and constantly complaining about the choices they made in the distant past. /Go figure. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : We seem to have some grumpy old men here who actually believe that some of the folks take what they call woo woo things very seriously. Actually a number of people are just curious and want to see if there's anything to them. On 11/04/2014 09:16 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Share, Did you ever take Ali Najafee's SET seminars in Fairfield? I know someone who was there when they were going on and it seemed to strike a nerve doing exactly what you are talking about. There were massively popular back in the lat 80's. Since then there have been oodles of people through FF with this message John Gray, Barbara De Agangelis... Although I am a fan of some emotional work, many of these courses had an assumptive cult vibe about their perspectives also. Assumptions on parade! That combined with taking advantage of meditator's imaginatively lively trance states. But this perspective is in direct conflict with Maharishi's teaching about these kinds of programs and their value to TM people. It says tat TM is not a complete self development program and that was not what Maharishi was teaching or selling. He was selling a solution to ALL problems and reflected the biases of his tradition which was don't fix it, transcend it. Personally I support whatever you find value in for you. Conceptually I see this as pretty clear evidence that the TM self development programs don't so what they claimed to do. This counter-evidence is being ignored and jeri rigged into a new system of self development that you guys are creating on your own in FF. (Not that there is anything wrong with that from outside the movement.) Participating in these programs was explicitly discouraged by Maharishi, I never heard him say anything close to the conclusion you have drawn for yourself. I have no beef with the accommodations you have made to make up for the programs' falures, good on ya sista! But my interest here is in Maharishi's teaching and in that context your perspective for what people need is hampered by an absolutist teaching that promises what it cannot deliver. We didn't hear the message wrong, the message was wrong. And it discourages people who could use some other kind of help from getting it. It enables people with real mental problems and when they blow up, the movement turns is back on them as damaged goods, victimizing the victim with the stigma of not living up to the unrealistic perfectionist standard in the movement. Thanks for promoting conversation from different perspectives
Re: [FairfieldLife] Blackmore on NDE's
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : She is obviously telling black lies spawned in the pits of hell to undermine the efforts of all legitimately near dead people from fulfilling their missions by selling books, cds, seminars and other nostrums to people hungry for spiritual solace. On a more serious note, the NDEs seem to exist for 2 reasons. The first is for a few people like Dannion Brinkly to make bucks and get a lot of attention. The second is to affirm the existence of God, Jesus, Ascended Masters and so on and obviously the existence of life after death. So what do you think happens to a person after death Sal, if the NDEs are all just a lot of brain wave activity? Depends on the circumstances. If we get buried we go kinda green and smelly for a bit. If cremated we kinda go smokey for a few seconds. Oh wait, what happens to consciousness? right! I would have thought it's like going under an anaesthetic, one minute you're there and the next you aren't. Maybe in certain circumstances you get a groovy little trip like is outlined in these stories but these things are neurophysiological in origin and require a brain and it's energy system (body) to keep going and therefore won't last beyond the brain dying and the body cooling down. Not much of a rallying call to be honest and I can see why people prefer their comforting illusions to the cold inevitability of realism. Unless everything we know is a comforting illusion and we all go to heaven or somewhere. Or maybe we're already dead and we're in the matrix. Or maybe we're giant hunchback toadoids on Zeta Reticuli playing a computer game called Earth. I don't see how anyone could possibly know but I can't see how there could possibly be any us without a brain for us to be a part of, or where this next world might actually be if it existed. If I was a gambling man I'd give it very low odds indeed. So all in all I go for my first option and we just cease to exist. Probably best to make the most of this life rather than hoping there is a better one waiting for us. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Blackmore on NDE's The recent study on Near Death Experiences was widely misreported by a hopeful media and caused a frenzy in pseudo-science pages on facebook etc. Susan Blackmore has spent a lifetime studying the paranormal and brain functioning and even had an NDE herself, her opinion is obviously worth hearing, her bit starts at 10 mins in: http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore http://thehumanist.com/multimedia/podcast/the-humanist-hour-122-a-discussion-on-the-psychology-of-the-paranormal-with-dr-susan-blackmore
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion contrary to your own. maybe you need to circulate more. Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets out of it is anyone's guess. If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him wasting his time. I don't give a damn. Steve doesn't understand the distinction you're making because some months ago something happened to him and he began to adopt Willytex's tactics himself. He doesn't really ever add anything to any of the discussions he interrupts or deal with any of the actual issues that the critics have brought up. Instead, he just says something nasty about the critic, hoping 1) to hurt them somehow, and 2) to shut them up. It was really SAD to see this degeneration of his mind happen here on FFL. There was a time when I would have considered him one of the fairly intelligent people here. But then something pushed his buttons Big-Time, and he hasn't been the same since. If I had to guess what it was, I'd guess that he had a strong, largely unconscious reaction to admitted atheists being able to speak here as if their ideas were just as valuable as anyone else's. He resented that so much that he started his anti-atheist diatribes. Now he seems to be able to do nothing BUT get his buttons pushed and lash out. Sad. Maybe he should start meditating again. :-) He has changed hasn't he? I'm glad I'm not imagining that. Becoming a Willytex tribute act is a funny choice though. A checking would probably help his anger issues.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Litemint and the Rupee Sutras
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, the elections are over. You can stop running for office. By which I mean, you seem just like a politician when you don't say whether you found it LOL worthy or not. Usually in conversation a person would say something like: I didn't find that funny and I'm curious as to why you did. Then again, I realize that the only time you get humor is when you're writing something nasty but clever attacking turq. So, for the humor challenged: it was funny to me when empty called himself a Tantrik legend in his own mind litement was funny to me Rupee Sutra was funny to me eppee-tomee was funny to me gittin was funny to me Thank you for this revealing post.
[FairfieldLife] The Mechanics of Consciousness [1 Attachment]
/But he who knows the truth about the divisions of the gunas and their //actions, O mighty armed, knowing that it is the gunas which act upon //the gunas, remains unattached. - CBG, V: 27; 1967, p. 220 /The implications of these passages indicate that the nature of the mind is appreciated as it is, seperate from activity. The goal of TM does not consist in achieving anything or reaching anything, but simply in recognizing what already is the case, that the I is essentially uninvolved with activity. Here, the ONLY criterion is internal: the Self cognized as independent of action./ MMY and Jerry Jarvis at UC Berkely, 1967 // /According to Schrodinger ,Every conscious mind that has ever said or felt I IS the person who controls the motions of the atoms according to the laws of nature. Free will is a choice, either determined or not. If it is determined, it is not free. But if it is determined, to what are we to ascribe it? Would a freedom based on mere chance be an alternative to causal determinism? The solution to this question is simple: incorporate into your model of free will, the mechanics of causal contact itself, contact all related forms of information in proper proportion, past, present, and future and Being - just Be free. /// //The authorship of action does not in reality belong to the I. It is a mistake to understand that I do this, I experience this and I know this. All action is performed by the three gunas born of Nature. - MMY, V: 14; 1967, p. 259// // // ///
Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa goes Red
right on MJ-Finally some coherence in the National Consciousness! Damn Democracy, damn democracy
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Mechanics of Consciousness
True, but a very esoteric teaching that ONLY experience can bear out, certainly Turq will never understand it!
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I'd choose to move forward. In my cosmology, you've got to. The lessons do not go away. I like this Steve. I have never seen such a waste of life as people trying to duck personal responsibility, and consequences. A few here have unfortunately made it their life's work. I have successfully passed by every single post of bawee's today. I think this is an excellent step in the right direction. I plan to continue this course of action for the foreseeable future. I haven't bothered to make any special folder for him since I read this off the website anyway and I wouldn't bother to take the time anyway.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: He Came Out Of The Himalayas
Nice ! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Mahesh Yogi The third of four children, Mahesh Prasad Varma, now revered by his followers as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, was born into a rather well-off family. The exact date of his birth is not known. January 12, 1917 is the one given by his uncle Raj Varma, other dates are October 18, 1911; January 12, 1918; and October 18, 1918. He showed a natural disposition towards the sciences, and as he grew up he graduated from Allahabad University. I was completely dissatisfied with what I studied in college. Because I knew - this can't be the whole knowledge. I was searching for something complete whereby I could understand everything. For a while he worked at a local factory, but his restless spirit bade him to become a disciple to the Shankaracharaya. And with this he renounced the world, took the vows of celibacy, and began to call himself Bal Brahmachari Mahesh. Mahesh Yogi 1964 MY system of meditation is a golden link to connect and harmonize materialism and spirituality. It is a direct process to integrate man's life on earth. Thus spake Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the man who took spiritualism to the masses and packaged TM or transcendental meditation in a more easy-to-understand form. The Maharishi traveled all over India and met many great men He told his listeners that life was short, and so there was no point in being miserable. Then why waste time in helplessness and suffer any agony in life? Why suffer when you can enjoy? Why be miserable when you can be happy? Now, let the days of misery and peacelessness be over and let their operation become tales of the past. Allow not the past history of agony to be continued in the present. Be happy and gay. He held, in the late fifties, a Seminar of Spiritual Luminaries in Mylapore with a view to finding out a practical formula of spiritual regeneration of the world. The Maharishi's goal now was to make the whole world spiritual, and to do that he would have to spread his message quickly and effectively, but he realized that the rate at which he was going, it would take at least 200 years to achieve that goal. Then I thought: I must go to the most advanced country, because I thought — the country is most advanced because the people of that country would try something new very readily. Once his message was accepted there, it would be easy enough to spread it to the rest of the world. His book Science of Being and Art of Living was published in 1963. It was the summation of both the practical wisdom of the ancient Indian texts and the latest scientific knowledge of the West. Source: The Spectrum - Great Minds Tribune News Service http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/2416/spectrum/main2.htm http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/2416/spectrum/main2.htm The Maharishi's World - A modern worldwide movement spanning 80 countries. Maharishi in Vlodrop, NE This is the world of the modern Maharishi. Satellite dishes and a 24-hour channel, exclusive mind-body centres set in the most beautiful acreage in Europe, mansions and castles where the rich and famous pay daunting sums of money to heal their souls. Hemant Kumar took a tour of the Maharishi's empire and found a fantasy land, where opulence and luxury meet Vedic mantras and Vastu. It's the biggest wooden house in netherlands. not a single metal pin or nail has been driven into the seasoned cedar. Finnish artisans handcrafted wooden pins and rivets to take the place of metallic nails and screws. Famous German architect Ike Hartman pored over reams of original Vastu inscribed in Sthapatya Ved, to design the house. A generous coat of neem oil protects the wood from termite. When the cedar catches the late evening sun, its golden paint simply ignites. And the house glows--like a gigantic ladle overflowing with molten gold. And then, as the sun goes down, up goes the quartet of fountains on the sprawling lawns across the building. Transfixed, I watch the spectacle unfold like a giant slide show. The place is Vlodrop (pronounced Flow-Drop), some 300 km south of Amsterdam. This is where the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi lives and from where he presides over his vast empire girdling the globe and growing ever larger. It's so quiet here you can hear yourself think. I enter the main building and a long, scented corridor lined with slippers. And yet, not a sound. I raise a questioning eyebrow at Atilla, the young Austrian driver who picked me up at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport. Fingers on his lips, he points out my room to me. I unlatch the door, and with a whispered ''TM time, I must rush too'', Atilla disappears down the hallway. My room would put any five-star hotel suite to shame. It's plush, elegant and beautifully decorated. It's part of a huge building, housing more than 500 people, each of them sitting absolutely still, deep in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: He Came Out Of The Himalayas
I didn't know Maharishi recommended being Gay! Are you sure...?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
--- steve.sundur@... wrote : It's wrong, ain't it sal, just plain wrong, for someone to hold an opinion contrary to your own. maybe you need to circulate more. Now what the fuck are YOU talking about? It's like being in a parallel universe with you lot sometimes. What Willytex wrote is not even remotely related to what I said. He isn't just holding a contrary opinion he's saying any old rubbish that comes into his head just for the sake of wasting the time of anyone dumb enough to read it. It's called trolling. What pleasure he gets out of it is anyone's guess. If he had a contrary opinion that was well reasoned I wouldn't mind hearing it but he hasn't. I say one thing, he says blah blah whatever go figure. It's him wasting his time. I don't give a damn. There is no democracy in physics. We can't say that some second-rate guy has as much right to opinion as Fermi. ~Luis Walter Alvarez Whoever is careless with truth in small matters cannot be trusted in important affairs. ~ Albert Einstein By the way, I remember talking to you more than 8 years ago. But, I am not sure that was it's on this forum or another forum.
[FairfieldLife] Birthing Radiant Being into Our Humanity, with Susanne Marie, Amoda Maa Jeevan, T Jonathon Proctor: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 11/05/2014
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Energy Technology
On 11/05/2014 01:57 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : These can be found in the messages from the crop circles. This new technology would more likely be suppressed by the energy companies and the military-industrial complex. Youtube is the opium of the masses. A plot by the New World Order to keep everyone in a state of complete mentally distracted ignorance. Probably a billion videos about that too And there really isn't anyone who is suckin' on that opium pipe more than JohnR. It's actually worse than Richard Williams, who seems to believe that It's true if I found it on Wikipedia. JohnR thinks It's true if I found it on YouTube. I think John is just having fun pushing you two's buttons. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath
Didn't vote Republican didn't vote Democrat either. Mine was a protest vote against the end of Democracy because in California all you could vote for were the two top winners of the primary. I guess third parties are just too much hassle for the pinheads that run the elections. But Jerry Brown is still in business and I haven't checked but I still probably have a Democrat (though he used to be a Republican) as Congressman. Edg, most Democrats have become Republican Lite so why vote for them either? BTW, I only voted Republican once in my life and that was for Dan Evans, a very liberal Washington state governor and later Senator. Without him there would probably be no Simpsons as Matt Groenig attended his pet project Evergreen College, a state run liberal arts college. Matt was penning cartoons for the Seattle alternative press in the 1970s. Time for Revolution 2.0 but the pondscum just will float around so that'll never happen. On 11/04/2014 10:11 PM, Duveyoung wrote: If you voted Republican, you're a supporter of evil. Evil -- harming the masses to make a profit. From this day forth, fuck you. I will not acknowledge you here -- you're a dead soul -- why would I talk to your zombie shell still breathing in the space in which once your innocence resided? As this Age grinds on, I may be bludgeoned along with the rest of ya, but at least I'll be able to laugh as you go down with the ship, America, as it's scuttled for the insurance money (I mean, credit default swaps.) the look on your face would be priceless, but I can see it enough in my imaginarium. Maybe I will drown before you, but at least I'll know that water's icy body-slam will have your teeth chatter-shatter-cracking against themselves as your last thoughts are that you could have done something other than lead a life of such immense harm to so many. I will not purposefully abide having in my mind any of the production of the sick fucks still HAUNTING this group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red
Yup, Democracy in the US is an illusion. It's all a show run by the big corporations. Fascism is alive and well. On 11/04/2014 08:44 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It is mostly theater, as much of the federal budget is already spoken for, regardless of the party in power. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Republicans take control of the Senate as Joni Ernst wins her seat. If you want to know what the future of America will be like imagine how it feels to be a castrated hog.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mind Control, was 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
A lot of people don't know this but Neil Young is epileptic. In fact when we opened for the Springfield they asked if we could play another short set before they came on because he had just had a seizure. White Bird was recorded by It's a Beautiful Day and I knew the guitar player, Hal, from that group. Missed out though on hanging out at his place when a couple of his friends would come into town to visit: John and Yoko. On 11/04/2014 06:00 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Thanks for the time machine. I was very influenced by bands like CCR (Fortunate Son), The Who, and Jefferson Airplane/Starship (Volunteers), by their uncompromising voice for change. Some bands only had a single or an album that made it big (ex: White Bird), but all of it was fresh and new, and there was a lot to choose from. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : The link to the Laurel Canyon site is interesting and brought back many memories. However I wouldn't call Laural Canyon the birth of the Hippie Movement. There beatniks before that and of course bohemians WAY before that even. Tim Leary never mentioned drugs during his at the event my band opened. He talked about enlightenment and ways (other than drugs) of achieving it. Music always pushes the edge, many of the rock musicians in the 60s bands had jazz backgrounds so we put a little jazz into the music, as much as we could get away with. Thus it had a very ethereal sound. Record companies looked for bands who were a little ahead of the time. As for the protest songs they were what the record companies would let them get away with. For What It's Worth like the blog writer points out was about a clash with the police over a popular coffee house. A lot of the rock musicians were around 2-4 years older than myself and indeed some had done a stint in the military. But other than getting to see the world a little it had little impact on their music. Of course a lot of my fellow musicians were sons and daughters of dads who had served in WWII. And some knew people in high places which kept them from getting busted with drugs by getting tipped when they were hot. ;-) On 11/04/2014 12:36 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 11/4/2014 1:22 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Back in the late 1960s during the psychedelic era there were all kinds of crooks trying to pull mind control on folks We always suspected this and my theory is that the hippie movement was infiltrated by outside agents in a mass effort to program the whole hippie community into falling down into a rabbit hole of confusion and ribaldry so as to self-destruct. First they sent out informants like Tim Leary to try and talk us into taking psychedelic substances so as to alter our consciousness. Then, they sent in the rock singers to get us into a trance state with loud rhythm music and liberal lyrics. So, with the hippies all stoned out and getting programmed by the rock music, they became like robots controlled through suggestion and brain-washing. I mean, have you actually read the lyrics of some of those 60's protest songs?/ There is something happening here. What it is ain’t exactly clear. There's a man with a gun over there. - Stephen Stills // /It is interesting that many of the late sixties rock singers were military brats and all connected to the U.S. military. In some cases, the rock singers were previously actually in the U.S. Military. For example, Jim Morrison's father was a U.S. Navy admiral in Vietnam and Frank Zappa was a former Air Force Airman. This list of these military brats goes on and on. Go figure. *The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon Birth of the Hippie Generation* http://tinyurl.com/klpfdtv
[FairfieldLife] How to escape the clutches of Kali Yuga
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Re: [FairfieldLife] How to escape the clutches of Kali Yuga
Don't believe in silly Stone Age superstitions like 'Kali Yuga' in the first place? Did I win? What's the prize?
[FairfieldLife] Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see all of it
Re: [FairfieldLife] Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see all of it
Sorry, here's the story behind the photo: http://bit.ly/1BEkXjZ From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 6:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see all of it
Re: [FairfieldLife] Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see all of it
No crock of gold then? That's one mystery less. Great photo though. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Sorry, here's the story behind the photo: http://bit.ly/1BEkXjZ http://bit.ly/1BEkXjZ From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 6:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Too cool -- what a rainbow looks like when you can see all of it
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red Yup, Democracy in the US is an illusion. It's all a show run by the big corporations. Fascism is alive and well.
[FairfieldLife] Cool Photos
One of my favorite themes when traveling is to search out these kinds of places -- former civilizations that have fallen and have been reabsorbed by nature. I've walked the full length of the abandoned railway in Paris that appears in a couple of the photos. 21 Photos Of Nature Winning The Battle Against Civilization 21 Photos Of Nature Winning The Battle Against Civilizat... See what happens when plants overtake an entire city... winning the battle against civilization one flower petal at a time. View on www.earthporm.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Mindless Zombies, was Straigtening Sal Out
/You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the movement and now you're upset and want to take your anger out on spiritual and religious groups online. Go figure./ Ricky, I am finally getting the knack of how you roll (well, in the last three months I have) and you will outlast everyone here and not even end up breathing hard or elevating your heart rate. I gotta give you credit. You are a sly one and laughing as you go. Good for you. I love a person who knows how to play and to do so without malice. On 11/5/2014 1:31 AM, salyavin808 wrote: He's a brainwashed cult zombie. /Non sequitur. So, you spent a decade inside a cult, watching videos of the Maharishi on TV and trying to learn how to fly, but I'm the brainwashed zombie because I learned basic meditation? Go figure./
[FairfieldLife] Yogic Flying, was Straigtening Sal Out
On 11/5/2014 4:11 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: TMers who still believe that there is such a thing as the Maharishi Effect decades after it was pretty much definitively proven that it didn't exist. /There must have been a similar experience when 200 hippies got together in the desert to mediate and get high with Rama. People that live in L.A. don't usually spend hours driving in their car out into the desert in the middle of the night for nothing./ //Was it just to witness him slowly lift up off of a sofa and fly around awhile? It kind of sounds like yogic flying/./ In their minds *as TBs*, the way that they prove their faith and win is to hang in there with untenable beliefs the longest. So they apply this same brainwashed model to debating non-believers: /Nobody is asking you to defend your beliefs, Barry, we just want to know what would motivate someone like you to meet with Rama at Denny's in downtown L.A.? I've been down there a time or two and Skid Row isn't the usual type of place to hold a spiritual group meditation. Maybe you were trying to raise the vibes down there? It kind sounds like the ME. // / If I can just 'outlast this heretic, I'll have 'won' and proved my beliefs superior to his. /No doubt, but you are younger than I am. You got a head start on me - your first post to newsgroups was back in 1995; my first post was 1999. I've got a lot of catching up to do reading all your cogent comments about Rama. Thanks./
[FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics wrapped in metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof Capra in his book The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism (1975). The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient religions and modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect the two is an abysmal failure and about the purest poppycock this side of Bombay. Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced numerous New Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum physics proves the reality of everything from chi and prana to ESP. The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists but books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters : An Overview of the New Physics (1976) overshadow and are much more popular than more sensible books written by physicists. Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are fond of claiming that modern physics has substantially validated ancient Hindu metaphysics. However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is any significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud, says Dr. Pagels. The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the field of consciousness is false. The notion that what physicists call the vacuum state has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim that large numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a unified field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order. The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only be intended to deceive those who might not know any better. Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress because I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and profound ideas of modern physics, the labor of generations of scientists, so willfully perverted provokes a feeling of compassion for those who might be taken in by these distortions. I would like to be generous to the Maharishi and his movement because it supports world peace and other high ideals. But none of these ideals could possibly be realized within the framework of a philosophy that so willfully distorts scientific truth (Pagels). From: http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html Deepak Chopra - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com From Abracadabra to Zombies | View All a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r View on www.skepdic.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] The Buddha answers to the Deva
The Buddha answers to the Deva On a certain day when the Buddha dwelt at Jetavana, the garden of Anathapindika, a celestial deva came to him in the shape of a Brahman enlightened and wearing clothing as white as snow. The deva asked, What is the sharpest sword? What is the deadliest poison? What is the fiercest fire? What is the darkest night? The Buddha replied, The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath; the deadliest poison is covetousness; the fiercest fire is hatred; the darkest night is ignorance. The deva said, What is the greatest gain? What is the greatest loss? Which armour is invulnerable? What is the best weapon? The Buddha replied, The greatest gain is to give to others; the greatest loss is to greedily receive without gratitude; an invulnerable armor is patience; the best weapon is wisdom. The deva said, Who is the most dangerous thief? What is the most precious treasure? Who can capture the heavens and the earth? Where is the securest treasure-trove? The Buddha replied, The most dangerous thief is unwholesome thought; the most precious treasure is virtue; the heavens and the earth may be captured by the mind's eye; surpassing rebirth locates the securest treasure-trove. The deva asked, What is attraction? What is repulsion? What is the most horrible pain? What is the greatest enjoyment? The Buddha replied, Attraction is wholeness; repulsion is unwholesomeness; the most tormenting pain is bad conscience; the height of bliss is redeemed awakening. The deva asked, What causes ruin in the world? What breaks off friendships? What is the most violent fever? Who is the best physician? The Buddha replied, Ruin in the world is caused by ignorance; friendships are broken off by envy and selfishness; the most violent fever is hatred; the best physician is the enlightened one; The deva continued, Now I have only one doubt to resolve and absolve: What is it fire cannot burn, nor moisture corrode, nor wind crush down, but is able to enlighten the whole world. The Buddha replied, Blessing! Neither fire, nor moisture, nor wind can destroy the blessing of good deeds, and blessings enlighten the whole world. Hearing these answers, the deva was overflowing with joy. Then clasping hands, bowed down in respect and disappeared suddenly from the presence of the Buddha.
[FairfieldLife] Pagel's Letter
Pagels Letter THE NEW YORK ACADEMY OF SCIENCES letterhead, Heinz R. Pagels, Ph.D., Executive Director July 1,1986 Robert Kropinski P.O. Box 27352 Philadelphia, PA 19150 Dear Mr. Kropinski: My comments here are intended to serve as an affidavit in the civil action No. 85-2849, United States District Court for the District of Columbia. They may not be used or published for any other purpose without my written permission. My summary opinion, as a theoretical physicist specializing in the area of quantum field theory, is that the views expressed in the literature issued by the Maharishi International University, and appearing in the World Government News and other publications associated with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi that purport to find a connection between the recent ideas of theoretical physics--unified field theory, the vacuum state and collective phenomena--and states of consciousness attained by transcendental meditation are false and profoundly misleading. No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud. While I am not an expert on the meditation techniques advocated by the Maharishi I have experienced and studied meditation methods in the Buddhist and Hindu traditions. There is no known connection between meditation states and states of matter in physics. Individuals not trained professionally in modern physics could easily come to believe, on the basis of the presentations in the Maharishi literature, that a large number of qualified scientists agree with the purported connection between modern physics and meditation methods. Nothing could be further from the truth. What was especially interesting to me, in reviewing this literature, is the claim put forth by the Maharishi and his followers, that transcendental meditation and The Science of Creative Intelligence qualify as science. Although the word science is much abused, it continues to imply an adherent to logic, the clear presentation of assumptions and deductions, and the experimental method. Most importantly, any science necessarily contains a recipe for its own falsification. None of these central features of the Western concept of science are present in The Science of Creative Intelligence. This is not science. Many of the ideas of modern physics written about by Dr. Lawrence H. Domash in The Physics of Unity (World Government News, Oct., 1978) are correctly presented. But Dr. Domash goes on in his article to interpolate these ideas as a vindication of transcendental meditation and the unity of consciousness. The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the field of consciousness is false. The notion that what physicists call the vacuum state has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim that large numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a unified field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order. The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only be intended to deceive those who might not know any better. Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress because I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and profound ideas of modern physics, the labor of generations of scientists, so willfully perverted provokes a feeling of compassion for those who might be taken in by these distortions. I would like to be generous to the Maharishi and his movement because it supports world peace and other high ideals. But none of these ideals could possibly be realized within the framework of a philosophy that so willfully distorts scientific truth. Sincerely yours, [signed] Heinz R. Pagels, Ph.D. Executive Director
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One of my favorite themes when traveling is to search out these kinds of
places -- former civilizations that have fallen and have been reabsorbed by
nature. I've walked the full length of the abandoned railway in Paris that
appears in a couple of the photos.
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[FairfieldLife] Charlie's Veracity
I sent Edg's post about Charlie's assertion on UFO's etc to a buddy who was a real Charlie fan - he saw him a bunch of times - here is his take on Charlie: I think Charlie channeled a lot of his information which wasn't always reliable. I never heard Charlie at a lecture refer to UFO's, but someone told me that he once said Maharishi got on a space ship, was gone for a while and then returned. Charlie would also go and listen to his old teacher Manley P. Hall every Sunday at the Philosophical Association in Los Fleiz, California. I don't believe that Charlie deliberately lied. His sources weren't always reliable though. He once said that the world would experience three days of darkness. That never happened. We (MIU people) confronted him about it in Iowa City. He said he was only reporting what he was told, but he never explained who' told him.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
Do you have a physics degree, Michael? A bit of what is in physics goes back centuries to Greece and other countries like China and yup probably India as well. It's just observation and certainly could be coded in Indian science. Pagels must not know biochemistry or just thought that ayurveda uses exotic herbs he didn't have access too. Examining the chemical properties of cinnamon, ginger, fennel, cloves he might have had a different opinion. On 11/05/2014 11:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics wrapped in metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof Capra in his book /The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism/ (1975). The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient religions and modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect the two is an abysmal failure and about the purest poppycock this side of Bombay. Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced numerous New Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum physics proves the reality of everything from chi and prana to ESP http://www.skepdic.com/esp.html. The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists but books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's /The Dancing Wu Li Masters : An Overview of the New Physics /(1976) overshadow and are much more popular than more sensible books written by physicists. Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are fond of claiming that modern physics has substantially validated ancient Hindu metaphysics. However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of /The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics as the Language of Nature http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0553246259/roberttoddcarrolA// vehemently rejects the notion that there is any significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud, says Dr. Pagels. The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the field of consciousness is false. The notion that what physicists call the vacuum state has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim that large numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a unified field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order. The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only be intended to deceive those who might not know any better. Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress because I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and profound ideas of modern physics, the labor of generations of scientists, so willfully perverted provokes a feeling of compassion for those who might be taken in by these distortions. I would like to be generous to the Maharishi and his movement because it supports world peace and other high ideals. But none of these ideals could possibly be realized within the framework of a philosophy that so willfully distorts scientific truth (Pagels http://web.archive.org/web/19990420021943/http:/www.trancenet.org/research/pagels.shtml). From: http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html image http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html Deepak Chopra - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html From Abracadabra to Zombies | View All a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r View on www.skepdic.com http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red
OTOH, California DID vote in prop 47 which reduces drug possession penalties from felonies to misdemeanors. That'll piss the prison industrial complex and the prison guards union off. But that is a non-partisan issue as many conservatives saw such incarceration as a waste of tax dollars too. BUT, Californians fell for the propaganda from the health insurance industry and didn't pass prop 45 which would have allowed the state insurance commissioner to regulate health insurance increases. Bend over dummies. Locally it looks like we've got an IT on the city council. Needed him there about 10 years ago where he could have proposed municipal fiber instead of the usual suspects we have now. More and more the US is being run by the folks who wipe our butts daily: Georgia Pacific. Funny thing is they like Rand Paul who is kinda the Bernie Sanders of the Republicans (they'd even co-sponsored bills). Of course it looks like DC passed pot legalization so our Congress will be getting quite high. On 11/05/2014 09:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa goes Red Yup, Democracy in the US is an illusion. It's all a show run by the big corporations. Fascism is alive and well. https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1653434_10204897045936556_7849142646221163940_n.jpg?oh=dbea2b3b04ed13d886288d889dfeaa33oe=54D5236F__gda__=1423267903_406664c533a31653877015bf5a7ce2db
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
Why don't you ask Pagels if he has a degree in physics? Just because you want there to be a correlation between quantum physics and meditation ain't gone make it so. certainly could be coded in Indian science - this is a horseshit observation. Prove it and then Pagels will have to eat his words. You are also misreading the post. Pagels says nothing about ayurveda - the author merely referred to Chopra as a defender of ayurveda. Pagels is specifically addressing the idea that modern physics is found in ancient Hindu claptrap and that the claptrap is validated by modern physics. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics Do you have a physics degree, Michael? A bit of what is in physics goes back centuries to Greece and other countries like China and yup probably India as well. It's just observation and certainly could be coded in Indian science. Pagels must not know biochemistry or just thought that ayurveda uses exotic herbs he didn't have access too. Examining the chemical properties of cinnamon, ginger, fennel, cloves he might have had a different opinion. On 11/05/2014 11:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics wrapped in metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof Capra in his book The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism (1975). The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient religions and modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect the two is an abysmal failure and about the purest poppycock this side of Bombay. Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced numerous New Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum physics proves the reality of everything from chi and prana to ESP. The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists but books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters : An Overview of the New Physics (1976) overshadow and are much more popular than more sensible books written by physicists. Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are fond of claiming that modern physics has substantially validated ancient Hindu metaphysics. However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is any significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud, says Dr. Pagels. The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the field of consciousness is false. The notion that what physicists call the vacuum state has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim that large numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a unified field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order. The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only be intended to deceive those who might not know any better. Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress because I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and profound ideas of modern physics, the labor of generations of scientists, so willfully perverted provokes a feeling of compassion for those who might be taken in by these distortions. I would like to be generous to the Maharishi and his movement because it supports world peace and other high ideals. But none of these ideals could possibly be realized within the framework of a philosophy that so willfully distorts scientific truth (Pagels). From: http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html Deepak Chopra - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com From Abracadabra to Zombies | View All a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r View on www.skepdic.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Straigtening Sal Out
/You sound like somebody that got kicked out of the movement and now you're upset and want to take your anger out on spiritual and religious groups online. Go figure./ Ricky, I am finally getting the knack of how you roll (well, in the last three months I have) and you will outlast everyone here and not even end up breathing hard or elevating your heart rate. I gotta give you credit. You are a sly one and laughing as you go. Good for you. I love a person who knows how to play and to do so without malice. Gosh, you're a sucker. The guy is clueless and just writes the same old crap because it's easier than thinking. Anyone could do that, he doesn't even make sense. He's a brainwashed cult zombie. I feel sorry for him. Imagine not knowing what non-sequitur means! Imagine thinking that writing big words you don't understand and copying from wikipedia is going to impress people! Imagine spending all day trolling people! So what is the point of outlasting everyone? Maybe you just like wasting time too. Go figure. On 11/5/2014 8:34 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Funny how perception is different for different people. You dig bawee and I think Richard is having the time of his life. Don't underestimate what he's thinking and doing here, not that it will lead to anything beyond entertainment at FFL. bawee takes himself very seriously but Ricky does not, that is a big difference right there. /They seem really serious about this discussion group. Which is probably good thing. Some people do feel better when they have someone to talk to. We may be the only people they still know that would be willing to discuss their spiritual path with any amount of sympathy or understanding. This may be the voice they always wanted when they were working for their spiritual group, so it seems harmless enough, if it helps them with their cognitive dissonance. You need to take into consideration, Ann, that they both were kicked out of their cult - this has apparently had a very negative and profound effect on them. Maybe they still don't realize that it was not a good thing to be so deep into the cult thing for so long. It's a really good thing they got kicked out, but probably very painful on the ego. The important thing is that they've first got to admit they have a problem due to their prolonged indoctrination. Admitting they have a problem is the very first step any cult exit counselor would advise them. // Let's hope they both get straightened out!/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath
Remember the rabbit and 'Life In Hell' comics? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Didn't vote Republican didn't vote Democrat either. Mine was a protest vote against the end of Democracy because in California all you could vote for were the two top winners of the primary. I guess third parties are just too much hassle for the pinheads that run the elections. But Jerry Brown is still in business and I haven't checked but I still probably have a Democrat (though he used to be a Republican) as Congressman. Edg, most Democrats have become Republican Lite so why vote for them either? BTW, I only voted Republican once in my life and that was for Dan Evans, a very liberal Washington state governor and later Senator. Without him there would probably be no Simpsons as Matt Groenig attended his pet project Evergreen College, a state run liberal arts college. Matt was penning cartoons for the Seattle alternative press in the 1970s. Time for Revolution 2.0 but the pondscum just will float around so that'll never happen. On 11/04/2014 10:11 PM, Duveyoung wrote: If you voted Republican, you're a supporter of evil. Evil -- harming the masses to make a profit. From this day forth, fuck you. I will not acknowledge you here -- you're a dead soul -- why would I talk to your zombie shell still breathing in the space in which once your innocence resided? As this Age grinds on, I may be bludgeoned along with the rest of ya, but at least I'll be able to laugh as you go down with the ship, America, as it's scuttled for the insurance money (I mean, credit default swaps.) the look on your face would be priceless, but I can see it enough in my imaginarium. Maybe I will drown before you, but at least I'll know that water's icy body-slam will have your teeth chatter-shatter-cracking against themselves as your last thoughts are that you could have done something other than lead a life of such immense harm to so many. I will not purposefully abide having in my mind any of the production of the sick fucks still HAUNTING this group.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
On 11/05/2014 11:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Why don't you ask Pagels if he has a degree in physics? Just because you want there to be a correlation between quantum physics and meditation ain't gone make it so. certainly could be coded in Indian science - this is a horseshit observation. Prove it and then Pagels will have to eat his words. This is the narcissism of believing that our current civilization is the most advanced that EVER existed on this planet. That can't be correlated because real scientists have figured that after 5000 year much evidence of a civilization would have deteriorated. All you get is stone masonry and broken pottery. You are also misreading the post. Pagels says nothing about ayurveda - the author merely referred to Chopra as a defender of ayurveda. Pagels is specifically addressing the idea that modern physics is found in ancient Hindu claptrap and that the claptrap is validated by modern physics. You don't even read the stuff you post? /However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics as the Language of Nature http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0553246259/roberttoddcarrolA/ vehemently rejects the notion that there is any significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud, says Dr. Pagels. / // *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:26 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics Do you have a physics degree, Michael? A bit of what is in physics goes back centuries to Greece and other countries like China and yup probably India as well. It's just observation and certainly could be coded in Indian science. Pagels must not know biochemistry or just thought that ayurveda uses exotic herbs he didn't have access too. Examining the chemical properties of cinnamon, ginger, fennel, cloves he might have had a different opinion. On 11/05/2014 11:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics wrapped in metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof Capra in his book /The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism/ (1975). The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient religions and modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect the two is an abysmal failure and about the purest poppycock this side of Bombay. Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced numerous New Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum physics proves the reality of everything from chi and prana to ESP http://www.skepdic.com/esp.html. The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists but books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's /The Dancing Wu Li Masters : An Overview of the New Physics /(1976) overshadow and are much more popular than more sensible books written by physicists. Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are fond of claiming that modern physics has substantially validated ancient Hindu metaphysics. However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of /The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics as the Language of Nature http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0553246259/roberttoddcarrolA// vehemently rejects the notion that there is any significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud, says Dr. Pagels. The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the field of consciousness is false. The notion that what physicists call the vacuum state has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim that large numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a unified field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order. The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only be intended to deceive those who might not know any better. Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress because I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and profound ideas of modern physics, the labor of generations of scientists, so willfully perverted provokes a feeling of compassion for those who might be taken in by these distortions. I would like to be generous to the
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The vote was a Kali Yuga bloodbath
On 11/5/2014 12:11 AM, Duveyoung wrote: From this day forth, fuck you. I will not purposefully abide having in my mind any of the production of the sick fucks still HAUNTING this group. /It's all about the economy, stupid. - /Bill Clinton
[FairfieldLife] Moments Of Wonder. with Philomena Cunk
Time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q Crime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY Evolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc Computers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak Money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
As Gertrude Stein said, ...there is no there, there. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@...O wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I'd choose to move forward. In my cosmology, you've got to. The lessons do not go away. I like this Steve. I have never seen such a waste of life as people trying to duck personal responsibility, and consequences. A few here have unfortunately made it their life's work. I have successfully passed by every single post of bawee's today. I think this is an excellent step in the right direction. I plan to continue this course of action for the foreseeable future. I haven't bothered to make any special folder for him since I read this off the website anyway and I wouldn't bother to take the time anyway.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Moments Of Wonder. with Philomena Cunk
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q Crime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY Evolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc Computers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak Money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8 Hilarious, how does she keep a straight face!
[FairfieldLife] One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to faux science nerds)
Science the way it should have been presented to all of us when we were growing up, so we'd have developed more of a feeling for what it really was... Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | IFLScience Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | I... You probably know that two objects dropped in a vacuum fall at the same rate, no matter the mass of each item. If you’ve never seen a demonstration of this, then yo... View on www.iflscience.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moments Of Wonder. with Philomena Cunk
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q Crime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY Evolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc Computers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak Money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8 Hilarious, how does she keep a straight face! She seems to be a comedian: Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Diane Morgan is an English actress, comedian and writer. Originally from Bolton, Greater Manchester, she studied at East 15 Acting School before playing Dawn in Peter Kay's Phoenix Nights.[1] As a stand up comedian she has been placed second in the Hackney Empire New Act of the... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moments Of Wonder. with Philomena Cunk
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q Crime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY Evolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc Computers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak Money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8 Hilarious, how does she keep a straight face! She seems to be a comedian: Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The interviews are priceless, you can tell they didn't know they were being set up. The money episode with Will Hutton is marvellous, he doesn't know what approach to take, probably wasn't expecting someone quite so dumb, usually he appears on the any flagship news programme that needs a heavyweight economist. Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Morgan Diane Morgan is an English actress, comedian and writer. Originally from Bolton, Greater Manchester, she studied at East 15 Acting School before playing Dawn in Peter Kay's Phoenix Nights.[1] As a stand up comedian she has been placed second in the Hackney Empire New Act of the... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mind Control, was 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
On 11/5/2014 10:46 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: A lot of people don't know this but Neil Young is epileptic. In fact when we opened for the Springfield they asked if we could play another short set before they came on because he had just had a seizure. /During the early years of its heyday, Laurel Canyon’s father figure is the rather eccentric personality known as Frank Zappa. Though he and his various Mothers of Invention line-ups will never attain the commercial success of the band headed by the admiral’s son, Frank will be a hugely influential figure among his contemporaries. Ensconced in an abode dubbed the ‘Log Cabin’ – which sat right in the heart of Laurel Canyon, at the crossroads of Laurel Canyon Boulevard and Lookout Mountain Avenue – Zappa will play host to virtually every musician who passes through the canyon in the mid- to late-1960s./ White Bird was recorded by It's a Beautiful Day and I knew the guitar player, Hal, from that group. Missed out though on hanging out at his place when a couple of his friends would come into town to visit: John and Yoko. On 11/04/2014 06:00 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Thanks for the time machine. I was very influenced by bands like CCR (Fortunate Son), The Who, and Jefferson Airplane/Starship (Volunteers), by their uncompromising voice for change. Some bands only had a single or an album that made it big (ex: White Bird), but all of it was fresh and new, and there was a lot to choose from. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : The link to the Laurel Canyon site is interesting and brought back many memories. However I wouldn't call Laural Canyon the birth of the Hippie Movement. There beatniks before that and of course bohemians WAY before that even. Tim Leary never mentioned drugs during his at the event my band opened. He talked about enlightenment and ways (other than drugs) of achieving it. Music always pushes the edge, many of the rock musicians in the 60s bands had jazz backgrounds so we put a little jazz into the music, as much as we could get away with. Thus it had a very ethereal sound. Record companies looked for bands who were a little ahead of the time. As for the protest songs they were what the record companies would let them get away with. For What It's Worth like the blog writer points out was about a clash with the police over a popular coffee house. A lot of the rock musicians were around 2-4 years older than myself and indeed some had done a stint in the military. But other than getting to see the world a little it had little impact on their music. Of course a lot of my fellow musicians were sons and daughters of dads who had served in WWII. And some knew people in high places which kept them from getting busted with drugs by getting tipped when they were hot. ;-) On 11/04/2014 12:36 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 11/4/2014 1:22 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Back in the late 1960s during the psychedelic era there were all kinds of crooks trying to pull mind control on folks We always suspected this and my theory is that the hippie movement was infiltrated by outside agents in a mass effort to program the whole hippie community into falling down into a rabbit hole of confusion and ribaldry so as to self-destruct. First they sent out informants like Tim Leary to try and talk us into taking psychedelic substances so as to alter our consciousness. Then, they sent in the rock singers to get us into a trance state with loud rhythm music and liberal lyrics. So, with the hippies all stoned out and getting programmed by the rock music, they became like robots controlled through suggestion and brain-washing. I mean, have you actually read the lyrics of some of those 60's protest songs?/ There is something happening here. What it is ain’t exactly clear. There's a man with a gun over there. - Stephen Stills // /It is interesting that many of the late sixties rock singers were military brats and all connected to the U.S. military. In some cases, the rock singers were previously actually in the U.S. Military. For example, Jim Morrison's father was a U.S. Navy admiral in Vietnam and Frank Zappa was a former Air Force Airman. This list of these military brats goes on and on. Go figure. *The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon Birth of the Hippie Generation* http://tinyurl.com/klpfdtv
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Moments Of Wonder. with Philomena Cunk
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvpbW7JRu0Q Crime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV6zRvcLuY Evolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te5-SJzylZc Computers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92dLXSbrmak Money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arp2k__CLy8 Hilarious, how does she keep a straight face! She seems to be a comedian: Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The interviews are priceless, you can tell they didn't know they were being set up. The money episode with Will Hutton is marvellous, he doesn't know what approach to take, probably wasn't expecting someone quite so dumb, usually he appears on the any flagship news programme that needs a heavyweight economist. I honestly think this is one of the most clever riffs I've seen in many years, reminiscent of some of Andy Kaufman's stunts. She's just so perfectly deadpan that you really can't tell whether she's an idiot (as you suspect) or she's having you on (which you don't dare suspect because she showed up with a camera crew and you're hoping to be on telly). Diane Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Diane Morgan is an English actress, comedian and writer. Originally from Bolton, Greater Manchester, she studied at East 15 Acting School before playing Dawn in Peter Kay's Phoenix Nights.[1] As a stand up comedian she has been placed second in the Hackney Empire New Act of the... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: He Came Out Of The Himalayas
On 11/5/2014 9:34 AM, wgm4u wrote: I didn't know Maharishi recommended being Gay! Are you sure...? /I had been very close to Mahesh Yogi and he had represented to me Truth. Truth was very essential to me, and always had been. That is, as much of the truth as was possible in the West at that time. Since I felt Mahesh Yogi had failed to keep to truth, I had to leave him. Referring to my statement he said that I was 'unstressing' the karma that was 'coming from me'. From then, I gave him his last nightly massage, kissed his feet, and left him. -/Conny Larsson, //God's Little Clown /// /*/Behind the Clown's Mask/*/ //by Conny Larsson/
[FairfieldLife] Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School
Published 4. Nov 2014 Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU http://davidlynchfoundation.org We have a student population of young people that have never been the chosen ones. Have never been the examples of success. . View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School
4. nov. 2014 Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU http://davidlynchfoundation.org We have a student population of young people that have never been the chosen ones. Have never been the examples of success. . View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWTF1SA7OVU Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to faux science nerds)
Doncha think that the real science nerds here already know this and don't need the article? It might help our armchair scientists though. :-D On 11/05/2014 12:39 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Science the way it should have been presented to all of us when we were growing up, so we'd have developed more of a feeling for what it really was... Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | IFLScience http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum image http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | I... http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum You probably know that two objects dropped in a vacuum fall at the same rate, no matter the mass of each item. If you’ve never seen a demonstration of this, then yo... View on www.iflscience.com http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum Preview by Yahoo
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[FairfieldLife] Re: One for the real science nerds here (as opposed to faux science nerds)
That always puts a smile on my face. It's so counterintuitive, one of Nature's surprising little tricks. It was thousands of years before anyone questioned the common sense of whether heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones and there you have it. I like Brian as a presenter too, he's kept his childlike sense of wonder and amazement about the universe and everything in it. But there's a serious brain in there, he works on the Large Hadron Collider at CERN so he knows his stuff. I've got one of his books on quantum physics and it's as simple as it's possible to explain it but that aint saying much. But I did learn how to do quantum probability predictions using his (or rather Richard Feynman's) calculation methods. Which made me happy because I never knew a bozo like me would ever understand it mathematically! That's the sign of a good teacher I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Science the way it should have been presented to all of us when we were growing up, so we'd have developed more of a feeling for what it really was... Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | IFLScience http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum Watch A Bowling Ball And Feather Falling In A Vacuum | I... http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum You probably know that two objects dropped in a vacuum fall at the same rate, no matter the mass of each item. If you’ve never seen a demonstration of this, then yo... View on www.iflscience.com http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Techniques to Handle Toxic People
This is a perfect example of my point. You are trying so hard to rewrite our personal history to fit your contrived narrative. Is your point so weak that this is what you have to offer as rebuttal? I don't need to make up stories about your past to dissagree with your conclusions about Maharishi's teaching. Why do you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : No, no, you two are being way too simplistic with this. There are two groups here on FFL distinguished in their science by ontology; one group who are transcendentalists by depth of experience and the others who are ignorant of spiritual experience. It breaks out pretty clearly along that line. I can appreciate that you guys can not see this and that you think instead that it is about you. -Buck turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues [FairfieldLife] You know what is the dominate dynamic on FFL? There is a group who criticizes the organization we were all a part of, the founder and the beliefs of the followers. (I am a proud member of this group.) And a group who personally attacks their personal life with made-up assumptions about their state of mind and life in place of making a reasoned argument for the positive power of their beliefs. The single counter argument for this group, no matter what detail of the movement and its beliefs are criticized seems to be : Yeah but you are a poopy pants so neirner, neiner, neiner! This is a stunning indictment of the vocal supporters of Maharishi here that the sophistic tool of personal attack, complete with fabrications about the critics personal life and business, is the go-to weapon in practically every response. It's called Hive Mind, and it looks like this: Bark Lice Moving In Sync Provide An Interesting Look Into The Hive Mind Of Insects http://digg.com/video/bark-lice-moving-in-sync-provide-an-interesting-look-into-the-hive-mind-of-insects And let me cut off the but. but, but he started it routine. You guys are supposed to be representing the most precious knowledge of mankind and HIGHER states of consciousness. I am just an ordinary working artist. (Yeah, Nabs jump on that to prove my point, go ahead!) I am not the one making claims that I am in a permanent state of infused being or that I am somehow participating in the most important work for the future of mankind, saving the world for an actual example claim. So when your reaction to me saying that Maharishi seemed to be a super ambitious guy selling a panacea (which he literally and explicitly WAS) is to attack what I do for a living, or make up that I am somehow not successful in my life or career which you could know NOTHING about... you reveal that, like your self proclaimed master the emperor has no clothes. Just notice what you are about to type right now. Let's see if there is a response that makes a cogent point to reflect upon concerning the power and beauty of this knowledge you hold so dear... or if it is the same old routine. I am gunna predict no response because I just took away the only response you got. I would love to be proven wrong. Conversation might actually break out here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The strange thing is that one hardly sees so much anger and frustration in the real world as on FFL. Even people who deal with heavy problems like living on the streets, addicts of all kinds very often have the Insight to see from where their problems stem; themselves. Not so on FFL. Me thinks my old theory still holds; many of the participants here are quitters that jumped the ship that could have brought them safely across the Ocean (as Muktananda described TM). Unconsciously they know this but instead of analyzing themselves honestly they start to kick in all other directions than where a kick would be justified; their own butt. Add to this the fact that many have reached an age where bitterness and anger perhaps is irreversable. Particularily they blame the only Saint they ever knew for their failure not realizing he was only there to guide and inspire, the real work had to be done by the student himself. Not having the inclination towards self-discipline any path requires anger builds up and eventually catch fire - as seen on a daily basis by several poor souls here on FFL. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I don't understand this non-issue that Share has created. The article I posted, specifically listed seven techniques to deal with toxic people, and Share gets hung up on the title! She also has an awful lot to say about what we would do, if... I used it as an opportunity to use technique #1, set limits, not that Share is toxic, but she sometimes writes, before thinking it through. I recognize that B fits the stereotype of a toxic individual, with his button pushing and desire to get in touch with his inner
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mars had Life
Salyavin and Barry, Both of you have jumped to conclusions, which is very typical with the way you think, about the content of this video. As you have seen, the video is only a teaser or excerpt of the real video--which you have not seen. Therefore, you've made criticism about something you don't know anything about and have assumed what the content of the video is. Both of you are not rational. You are delusional. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Gosh, that might really ruined Salyavin's day. :-D Why? They possibly found life there in the 70's but they landed the rover in the wrong place and two of the three experiments they had on board to test for life weren't designed for the terrain they found themselves in. The one experiment that possibly did find life was discounted as they did it on a majority vote. All expeditions to Mars since then have worked on the basis that there is no life and they haven't repeated the original experiments to make sure. Why would discovering life anywhere ruin my day? I can't work that bit out. You aren't going to get anywhere by asking questions of John, Sal. As I've pointed out many times and as you yourself have noticed, no possibility of actual dialogue exists with someone who is as gullible, feeble-minded, devoid of reasoning skills, and convinced of the Absolute Truth of the silly things he believes as he is. He's the kinda guy who would actually *believe* the horseshit in this video I found on FB: The Principle | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527fref=nf https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527fref=nf The Principle | Facebook https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527fref=nf Why are leading atheists freaking out about this new documentary? Why are they trying to hide the evidence? View on www.facebook.com https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=328951900609527fref=nf Preview by Yahoo You'll love this, Salyavin. You thought that *Hagelin* misuses science to present hokum as if it were science? Wait until you watch *these* supposed scientists jump through hoops to prove their notion of a God in this astounding exercise in self-importance. They're actually trying to go back in time to the notion of an Earth-centric universe. Wow, it's a bit of a deliberately bombastic explosion of insinuation. I think there's a lot of out-of-context quotes here, and also a lot of media scientists with books to plug who probably didn't know they were being co-opted into some sort of religious thing. What I like the most, however, is the notion of leading atheists freaking out that someone came up with in the teaser line for this video. What on earth do they think constitutes leading atheists? Do they think we non-theists have *contests* in which we sit around competing for first place, shouting No, *I* believe less in the Invisible Man In The Sky than you do!? :-) I don't know what evidence they are supposed to be hiding! It's pretty obvious this is an amazing place - possibly the only place with sentient life anywhere, that makes it special to me, but is there a religious principle behind it? I don't think so, and I'd be surprised if some of the scientists on there I recognised thought so. It's a poor physicist that concludes there is a god just because they don't have an immediate answer for something. It's easier than thinking for sure but accepting magic as an explanation isn't what they're paid for! I suspect that the makers of this video have edited it highly suggestively and creatively. Just like people did with the recent NDE research and just about everything else I come across on the net. The conspiracy gathers pace! But that's JohnR to a T, just another irrational theist imagining a gotcha in some imaginary battle against atheists that's happening only inside his own head. *Just* as he did when he hoped that his silly hokum about Mars would ruin your day. Oh, I think that was Bhairitu! He must have misunderstood me if he wants egg on my face Yes. On 11/04/2014 03:30 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The NASA chief also claimed it may have life now. It appears that NASA is about to make an official statement regarding its findings on Mars based on data from the rovers. Stay tuned. http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-did-and-might-have-life-says-nasa-boss http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-did-and-might-have-life-says-nasa-boss
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide?
Share, Taking one's own life is similar to killing another person. In both cases, a life, that is full of possibilities to perform good and to enjoy life, has been taken away and denied. The act of killing oneself or another person is against Nature's functioning, which is to create life and to promote joy in existence. The violation of natural law will have consequences or bad karma in yourself, the family or the environment. The following adage would apply: you reap what you sow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I don't see how the principle of ends not justifying means fits in this situation. The person is taking their own life, probably to avoid unnecessary suffering. What is morally wrong about that, in your view? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? Share, The correct answer is that one should follow one's conscience to the best of his or her ability. But one should follow the principle that the end does not justify the means. IMO, ending one's own life through suicide is not following the principle above. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, I'm not sure that suicide is always in violation of natural law. What makes you think that? From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? Share, I sympathize with your step Dad's suffering. My mother also had a very painful and difficult death. It is not easy to follow a moral act and, as humans, we should be able to make such choices. But one has to be mindful of performing acts that do not violate natural laws. If we violate natural laws, IMO the law of karma will take effect and could detrimentally affect our families and society that allow violence or suicide to occur. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, when I think about how awful were the last 3 years of my step Dad's life, and more than once he expressed the wish to be dead, I think suicide is sometimes the right thing to do. I think unnecessary suffering is morally wrong. From: jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is it Moral to Commit Suicide? Bhairitu, You've raised a good question. But it is considered a higher principle that the end does not justify the means. In other words, one must act licitly to make a moral act. You cannot kill another person or group of persons in order to obtain political power--which we can see the evil effects that are happening in Iraq and Syria. Similarly, the same principle applies to taking one's own life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : If you were suffering from terminal brain cancer would you really want to see it through to the end as your mind, vision, hearing went away? On 11/04/2014 10:36 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: A woman just committed suicide with the aid of doctors in Oregon. Is this justifiable in your own thinking? Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicked' http://news.yahoo.com/vatican-thinker-brands-us-womans-suicide-wicked-155629813.html Vatican thinker brands US woman's suicide 'wicke... A senior Vatican official has condemned as wicked the assisted suicide of Brittany Maynard, an American woman suffering from terminal brain cancer. ... View on news.yahoo.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
You are correct - I was referring to the letter that Pagels wrote which I also posted but I see in hind sight that you were referring to the first post and not the full letter - I stand corrected. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics On 11/05/2014 11:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Why don't you ask Pagels if he has a degree in physics? Just because you want there to be a correlation between quantum physics and meditation ain't gone make it so. certainly could be coded in Indian science - this is a horseshit observation. Prove it and then Pagels will have to eat his words. This is the narcissism of believing that our current civilization is the most advanced that EVER existed on this planet. That can't be correlated because real scientists have figured that after 5000 year much evidence of a civilization would have deteriorated. All you get is stone masonry and broken pottery. You are also misreading the post. Pagels says nothing about ayurveda - the author merely referred to Chopra as a defender of ayurveda. Pagels is specifically addressing the idea that modern physics is found in ancient Hindu claptrap and that the claptrap is validated by modern physics. You don't even read the stuff you post? However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is any significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud, says Dr. Pagels. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics Do you have a physics degree, Michael? A bit of what is in physics goes back centuries to Greece and other countries like China and yup probably India as well. It's just observation and certainly could be coded in Indian science. Pagels must not know biochemistry or just thought that ayurveda uses exotic herbs he didn't have access too. Examining the chemical properties of cinnamon, ginger, fennel, cloves he might have had a different opinion. On 11/05/2014 11:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics wrapped in metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof Capra in his book The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and Eastern Mysticism (1975). The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient religions and modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect the two is an abysmal failure and about the purest poppycock this side of Bombay. Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced numerous New Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum physics proves the reality of everything from chi and prana to ESP. The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists but books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters : An Overview of the New Physics (1976) overshadow and are much more popular than more sensible books written by physicists. Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are fond of claiming that modern physics has substantially validated ancient Hindu metaphysics. However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is any significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. No qualified physicist that I know would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud, says Dr. Pagels. The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the field of consciousness is false. The notion that what physicists call the vacuum state has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim that large numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by creating a unified field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order. The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only be intended to deceive those who might not know any better. Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress because I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and profound ideas of modern physics, the labor of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School
Traumatic stress for regular people = getting shot, being caught in a tsunami, having the plane you are flying in crash. Traumatic stress for TM'ers = finding out Marshy was a liar, fraud and con artist. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 4:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School Published 4. Nov 2014 Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School Relieving Traumatic Stress at New Horizons School http://davidlynchfoundation.org We have a student population of young people that have never been the chosen ones. Have never been the examples of success. . View on www.youtube.comPreview by Yahoo
