Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
On 10/30/2014 10:47 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Pays better, too. /There is NOTHING nuttier than to give $10,000 just to watch a guy calling himself The Zen Master Rama slowly lift up off of a sofa in the middle of the desert in front of 200 drug-crazed hippies. / And, there is the added benefit that when you tell people what you do for a living, when you walk away as an artist they're not snickering at you behind your back, saying, Could you *believe* that idiot? He actually believes that he's a 'Certified Governor' of something he calls the 'Age of Enlightenment'. What a nut job. Then again, even being snickered at as a 'Certified Governor' is better than the uncontrollable laughter you'd hear behind you if you had told them you were a 'Raja' of the 'Global Country of Enlightenment. Possibly the ONLY thing Maharishi excelled at was creating the dumbest job titles in human history. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Selling your musical taste as more than that isn't gunna get any traction from my fans here. So, you have fans here now ? We know this place is populated by some pretty weird souls but who would have guessed they are your fans ! M: Here in the world where people book my show which was the original context before you clipped it out to do your internet troll thing. I've been indulgent of your reaching out and being shitty to a stranger on the internet because it has given me a chance to reflect on my career. You are showing up as you and I am showing up as me here. Last night at my show I put percussion instruments into people's hands,many of whom had never played instruments, and certainly never at a public show. I set up a rhythm for them from Cameroon, straight 8s, sort of fast like they do in the villages there. Some people played claves, (African and Cuban), one played an amazing instrument from the Gnowa people called a krakeb which are huge metal castanets meant to symbolize how these people were brought as slaves from other parts of Africa to Morocco in slave's chains. Some played traditional bones which they were trying to figure out as they played,clicking to the simple accessible rhythm. One played the Agogo metal bell from a place in Africa where such a simple instrument can choreograph the movements of hundreds of people at a time, cutting through even the drums in syncopated messages for their feet and hips. I played a number of instruments over this community of rhythm.One was a Mvet from Cameroon, a 4 stringed lute favored by pigmies as well as the story-teller shamans in Guinea, a beautiful odd instrument amplified by large gourds on a 4 foot stick of bamboo. I played an African gourd banjo in the style of one of the last traditional black banjo players in Virgina and sang his song Roustabout. For a moment, in that urban wine bar, the barriers between audience and performer fell away as they always do in all traditional African performances. People who felt they had no rhythm or musical talent discovered that they had just had a string of shitty music teacher who had put up a wall between them and their human birthright. Strangers who would not give each other eye contact on the Metro were checking with each other without words, to make sure they were rhythmically in synch. Picking up a Brazilian berimbau, one of our planets most primitive but compelling instruments, derived from hunting bows played around the campfire of hunters and gatherers in our distant past, I sang the song I felt fit best, John Lee Hooker's I'm in the Mood. When the audience left last night some people came up and hugged me. I could see in their eyes that this was as a special night for them as it was for me. They had experienced their musical selves, without judgement, and it made them feel wonderful. So please continue, Nabbie, what was it you wanted to say.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Very nice story about moving people Curtis, that's a rare talent not many have and I admire you for that. Doing creative stuff is about moving others, one way or the other. Personally I'm more happy if people just go some where else and let me do my creative thingies alone, I'll invite them in when later. I never had any doubts about your communicative skills, it's when you claim it's art you tend to exaggerate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Selling your musical taste as more than that isn't gunna get any traction from my fans here. So, you have fans here now ? We know this place is populated by some pretty weird souls but who would have guessed they are your fans ! M: Here in the world where people book my show which was the original context before you clipped it out to do your internet troll thing. I've been indulgent of your reaching out and being shitty to a stranger on the internet because it has given me a chance to reflect on my career. You are showing up as you and I am showing up as me here. Last night at my show I put percussion instruments into people's hands,many of whom had never played instruments, and certainly never at a public show. I set up a rhythm for them from Cameroon, straight 8s, sort of fast like they do in the villages there. Some people played claves, (African and Cuban), one played an amazing instrument from the Gnowa people called a krakeb which are huge metal castanets meant to symbolize how these people were brought as slaves from other parts of Africa to Morocco in slave's chains. Some played traditional bones which they were trying to figure out as they played,clicking to the simple accessible rhythm. One played the Agogo metal bell from a place in Africa where such a simple instrument can choreograph the movements of hundreds of people at a time, cutting through even the drums in syncopated messages for their feet and hips. I played a number of instruments over this community of rhythm.One was a Mvet from Cameroon, a 4 stringed lute favored by pigmies as well as the story-teller shamans in Guinea, a beautiful odd instrument amplified by large gourds on a 4 foot stick of bamboo. I played an African gourd banjo in the style of one of the last traditional black banjo players in Virgina and sang his song Roustabout. For a moment, in that urban wine bar, the barriers between audience and performer fell away as they always do in all traditional African performances. People who felt they had no rhythm or musical talent discovered that they had just had a string of shitty music teacher who had put up a wall between them and their human birthright. Strangers who would not give each other eye contact on the Metro were checking with each other without words, to make sure they were rhythmically in synch. Picking up a Brazilian berimbau, one of our planets most primitive but compelling instruments, derived from hunting bows played around the campfire of hunters and gatherers in our distant past, I sang the song I felt fit best, John Lee Hooker's I'm in the Mood. When the audience left last night some people came up and hugged me. I could see in their eyes that this was as a special night for them as it was for me. They had experienced their musical selves, without judgement, and it made them feel wonderful. So please continue, Nabbie, what was it you wanted to say.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
It is the art of living right? That is what is important. Most of my life is also spent doing creative things alone, I relate to that too. Any performance is the tip of the iceberg of our creative lives. Yes, I understand the issues you have with the word art over the last 2,245 posts where you have made this point. We seem to see the word differently, have you noticed this? I'm good. You? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very nice story about moving people Curtis, that's a rare talent not many have and I admire you for that. Doing creative stuff is about moving others, one way or the other. Personally I'm more happy if people just go some where else and let me do my creative thingies alone, I'll invite them in when later. I never had any doubts about your communicative skills, it's when you claim it's art you tend to exaggerate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Selling your musical taste as more than that isn't gunna get any traction from my fans here. So, you have fans here now ? We know this place is populated by some pretty weird souls but who would have guessed they are your fans ! M: Here in the world where people book my show which was the original context before you clipped it out to do your internet troll thing. I've been indulgent of your reaching out and being shitty to a stranger on the internet because it has given me a chance to reflect on my career. You are showing up as you and I am showing up as me here. Last night at my show I put percussion instruments into people's hands,many of whom had never played instruments, and certainly never at a public show. I set up a rhythm for them from Cameroon, straight 8s, sort of fast like they do in the villages there. Some people played claves, (African and Cuban), one played an amazing instrument from the Gnowa people called a krakeb which are huge metal castanets meant to symbolize how these people were brought as slaves from other parts of Africa to Morocco in slave's chains. Some played traditional bones which they were trying to figure out as they played,clicking to the simple accessible rhythm. One played the Agogo metal bell from a place in Africa where such a simple instrument can choreograph the movements of hundreds of people at a time, cutting through even the drums in syncopated messages for their feet and hips. I played a number of instruments over this community of rhythm.One was a Mvet from Cameroon, a 4 stringed lute favored by pigmies as well as the story-teller shamans in Guinea, a beautiful odd instrument amplified by large gourds on a 4 foot stick of bamboo. I played an African gourd banjo in the style of one of the last traditional black banjo players in Virgina and sang his song Roustabout. For a moment, in that urban wine bar, the barriers between audience and performer fell away as they always do in all traditional African performances. People who felt they had no rhythm or musical talent discovered that they had just had a string of shitty music teacher who had put up a wall between them and their human birthright. Strangers who would not give each other eye contact on the Metro were checking with each other without words, to make sure they were rhythmically in synch. Picking up a Brazilian berimbau, one of our planets most primitive but compelling instruments, derived from hunting bows played around the campfire of hunters and gatherers in our distant past, I sang the song I felt fit best, John Lee Hooker's I'm in the Mood. When the audience left last night some people came up and hugged me. I could see in their eyes that this was as a special night for them as it was for me. They had experienced their musical selves, without judgement, and it made them feel wonderful. So please continue, Nabbie, what was it you wanted to say.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time;
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Hmmm. Now that it's been proven that Nabby knosw nothing whatsoever about Curtis, I think it's safe to assume that he similarly knows nothing about Maitreya, the Space Brothers, and who created crop circles, and that we can ignore him as the posturing know-nothing he is. Oh. Wait. Everybody ALREADY assumed that. Never mind. :-) From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues Curtis Blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
What happened to the guy who said that the conversation was over from your side? I guess you are seeking some closure you haven't gotten yet. Let's see if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. M: I claim that my music is my art. I make living as a musical artist. Because you erroneously conflate this with me saying I make life changing, ground breaking, masterful, mind blowing, art you have contrived something to criticize me for beyond offering your personal opinion about a video you saw. I simply say that this is MY art. It is how I represent my inner life into a form of sound that is shared with others. The people who pay me to perform it and who buy my CDs like it, I acknowledge that you have weighed in that you don't like the videos you saw of my performance, and most people say : Who? N: I claim you produce noise M: What aspect of this point do you think I have missed? I get it, you have an unfavorable opinion about a video you saw. Check. Message received. You seem to be looking for a different outcome than me recognizing your opinion. Do you think perhaps I might use your opinion to stop working in this field? Do you think with your feedback I will change my musical focus, take up the violin perhaps? I have enjoyed this chat as a writing prompt for considering this public job I do. What you don't seem to realize, as you strive to influence me with your opinion, is that before I ever stand in front of other people to judge my art, I have already spent countless hours passing the audition of my toughest critic, me. Any performing artist spends 99 per cent of his or her time alone mastering their art to their own satisfaction. I play the way I like, that is why I am at peace with people who don't like it. Of course I don't usually hear from them so this has been a bit of an opportunity for reflection and I thank you for that. And despite your persistently curmudgeonly view of my work, I get a lot of positive feedback because I put on excellent shows. I work hard at it like most conscientious people in their jobs and I get the job done. Performing is a weird line of work in that your job performance review is simultaneous to you doing the job. But even if audiences took your POV and rejected my music, I would still be playing it this way. I would just not be getting paid for it! Like most people with a desire to express themselves through art, I would only perform for myself and whatever girlfriend I was torturing with my music at the time. The positive or negative feedback from other people doesn't change an artist's need to express their inner life the way they do. You don't seem to understand this fact about artists. So instead you are caught up in a world of thinking your harsh statements should affect me in some way. Art doesn't come from that place you can reach with your words. It isn't sustained by people appreciating what an artist produces. Artists live in the world beyond all the rise and fall of outer opinions. Many great artists were only appreciate after their death, Robert Johnson included. He was not popular in his day. He was struggling till the day he died. That is one of the many reasons I devote my life to bringing the gift of the arts into schools. It is a gift of self expression that can infuse a life with meaning and beauty. So I accept your opinion, but reject your view of art as an elitist activity for a certain few who are deemed (who deems them again, you?) worthy of using the word art. You are on the wrong side of the hater fence Nabbie. Not about my music, you are welcome to your judgement, but about the concept of how the activity of producing art at any level enriches the human spirit. It exists way beyond the ability for you to influence. It would enrich your own life if you could step out of the judgmental cage of your greatness-or-nothing view. N: and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. M: Here you are just being silly and trying to be mean. It is complicated. I have a realistic view of where my artistic contributions fit into the history of my genre. Do you know who is the most humble concerning their own musical talent and Robert Johnson's greatness? The guy who plays his music every day with respect and wonder that such an artist might be forgotten in this generation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. Cool, nice find. Curtis is, of course, an artist. Whether Nabby likes his music or not is Nabby's business. Nabby might hate all Blues music, not just Curtis'. But Curtis passionately pursues his art and this has resulted in his passion spilling over into many aspects of his life including his teaching and this is great. I also love the fact that his preferred musical genre is a sort of step into the past where he then becomes a sort of preserver of rare and beautiful things - a curator of sorts. This music is very much worth preserving and promoting as it speaks so much to history and the human condition. Curtis' preferred style of blues reveal much about life and human beings and their perpetual struggles as well as their small victories. Music as real life.
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Ha ha ha ha! Certified Arts Integration performer!!! That's better than being a RE-certified Governor!!! From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues Curtis Blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time; Claiming
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Ha ha ha ha! Certified Arts Integration performer!!! That's better than being a RE-certified Governor!!! Pays better, too. And, there is the added benefit that when you tell people what you do for a living, when you walk away as an artist they're not snickering at you behind your back, saying, Could you *believe* that idiot? He actually believes that he's a 'Certified Governor' of something he calls the 'Age of Enlightenment'. What a nut job. Then again, even being snickered at as a 'Certified Governor' is better than the uncontrollable laughter you'd hear behind you if you had told them you were a 'Raja' of the 'Global Country of Enlightenment. Possibly the ONLY thing Maharishi excelled at was creating the dumbest job titles in human history. :-) From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues Curtis Blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
I doubt you listened to the stuff he put on youtube. This is merry entertainment for street-corners and parties and has nothing to do with art however much Curtis tries to convince himself of the contrary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Thanks to anartaxius for posting this and for your inspiring words Ann. I believe that blues gives voice to the indomitable human spirit, so it is as relevant today as when it was created. It has gone all over the world to shape modern popular music, and fills my life with meaning every day. Blues was the party music of its day, discussing relationships, having fun and why my kind-hearted woman or man, studies evil all the time! Facing the ups and downs of life with the equanimity of humor. I liked how you said it: music as real life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. Cool, nice find. Curtis is, of course, an artist. Whether Nabby likes his music or not is Nabby's business. Nabby might hate all Blues music, not just Curtis'. But Curtis passionately pursues his art and this has resulted in his passion spilling over into many aspects of his life including his teaching and this is great. I also love the fact that his preferred musical genre is a sort of step into the past where he then becomes a sort of preserver of rare and beautiful things - a curator of sorts. This music is very much worth preserving and promoting as it speaks so much to history and the human condition. Curtis' preferred style of blues reveal much about life and human beings and their perpetual struggles as well as their small victories. Music as real life.
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Now I wonder what Nabby would think of your music if David Lynch decided to use a cut of it in a film? ;-) On 10/30/2014 08:17 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What happened to the guy who said that the conversation was over from your side? I guess you are seeking some closure you haven't gotten yet. Let's see if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. M: I claim that my music is my art. I make living as a musical artist. Because you erroneously conflate this with me saying I make life changing, ground breaking, masterful, mind blowing, art you have contrived something to criticize me for beyond offering your personal opinion about a video you saw. I simply say that this is MY art. It is how I represent my inner life into a form of sound that is shared with others. The people who pay me to perform it and who buy my CDs like it, I acknowledge that you have weighed in that you don't like the videos you saw of my performance, and most people say : Who? N: I claim you produce noise M: What aspect of this point do you think I have missed? I get it, you have an unfavorable opinion about a video you saw. Check. Message received. You seem to be looking for a different outcome than me recognizing your opinion. Do you think perhaps I might use your opinion to stop working in this field? Do you think with your feedback I will change my musical focus, take up the violin perhaps? I have enjoyed this chat as a writing prompt for considering this public job I do. What you don't seem to realize, as you strive to influence me with your opinion, is that before I ever stand in front of other people to judge my art, I have already spent countless hours passing the audition of my toughest critic, me. Any performing artist spends 99 per cent of his or her time alone mastering their art to their own satisfaction. I play the way I like, that is why I am at peace with people who don't like it. Of course I don't usually hear from them so this has been a bit of an opportunity for reflection and I thank you for that. And despite your persistently curmudgeonly view of my work, I get a lot of positive feedback because I put on excellent shows. I work hard at it like most conscientious people in their jobs and I get the job done. Performing is a weird line of work in that your job performance review is simultaneous to you doing the job. But even if audiences took your POV and rejected my music, I would still be playing it this way. I would just not be getting paid for it! Like most people with a desire to express themselves through art, I would only perform for myself and whatever girlfriend I was torturing with my music at the time. The positive or negative feedback from other people doesn't change an artist's need to express their inner life the way they do. You don't seem to understand this fact about artists. So instead you are caught up in a world of thinking your harsh statements should affect me in some way. Art doesn't come from that place you can reach with your words. It isn't sustained by people appreciating what an artist produces. Artists live in the world beyond all the rise and fall of outer opinions. Many great artists were only appreciate after their death, Robert Johnson included. He was not popular in his day. He was struggling till the day he died. That is one of the many reasons I devote my life to bringing the gift of the arts into schools. It is a gift of self expression that can infuse a life with meaning and beauty. So I accept your opinion, but reject your view of art as an elitist activity for a certain few who are deemed (who deems them again, you?) worthy of using the word art. You are on the wrong side of the hater fence Nabbie. Not about my music, you are welcome to your judgement, but about the concept of how the activity of producing art at any level enriches the human spirit. It exists way beyond the ability for you to influence. It would enrich your own life if you could step out of the judgmental cage of your greatness-or-nothing view. N: and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. M: Here you are just being silly and trying to be mean. It is complicated. I have a realistic view of where my artistic contributions fit into the history of my genre. Do you know who is the most humble concerning their own musical talent and Robert Johnson's greatness? The guy who plays his music every day with respect and wonder that such an artist might be forgotten in this generation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Now I wonder what Nabby would think of your music if David Lynch decided to use a cut of it in a film? ;-) M: That would make his head explode! Seeing Paul Maccartney playing a cigar box guitar recently was great. The primitive stuff still has a voice today. On 10/30/2014 08:17 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What happened to the guy who said that the conversation was over from your side? I guess you are seeking some closure you haven't gotten yet. Let's see if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. M: I claim that my music is my art. I make living as a musical artist. Because you erroneously conflate this with me saying I make life changing, ground breaking, masterful, mind blowing, art you have contrived something to criticize me for beyond offering your personal opinion about a video you saw. I simply say that this is MY art. It is how I represent my inner life into a form of sound that is shared with others. The people who pay me to perform it and who buy my CDs like it, I acknowledge that you have weighed in that you don't like the videos you saw of my performance, and most people say : Who? N: I claim you produce noise M: What aspect of this point do you think I have missed? I get it, you have an unfavorable opinion about a video you saw. Check. Message received. You seem to be looking for a different outcome than me recognizing your opinion. Do you think perhaps I might use your opinion to stop working in this field? Do you think with your feedback I will change my musical focus, take up the violin perhaps? I have enjoyed this chat as a writing prompt for considering this public job I do. What you don't seem to realize, as you strive to influence me with your opinion, is that before I ever stand in front of other people to judge my art, I have already spent countless hours passing the audition of my toughest critic, me. Any performing artist spends 99 per cent of his or her time alone mastering their art to their own satisfaction. I play the way I like, that is why I am at peace with people who don't like it. Of course I don't usually hear from them so this has been a bit of an opportunity for reflection and I thank you for that. And despite your persistently curmudgeonly view of my work, I get a lot of positive feedback because I put on excellent shows. I work hard at it like most conscientious people in their jobs and I get the job done. Performing is a weird line of work in that your job performance review is simultaneous to you doing the job. But even if audiences took your POV and rejected my music, I would still be playing it this way. I would just not be getting paid for it! Like most people with a desire to express themselves through art, I would only perform for myself and whatever girlfriend I was torturing with my music at the time. The positive or negative feedback from other people doesn't change an artist's need to express their inner life the way they do. You don't seem to understand this fact about artists. So instead you are caught up in a world of thinking your harsh statements should affect me in some way. Art doesn't come from that place you can reach with your words. It isn't sustained by people appreciating what an artist produces. Artists live in the world beyond all the rise and fall of outer opinions. Many great artists were only appreciate after their death, Robert Johnson included. He was not popular in his day. He was struggling till the day he died. That is one of the many reasons I devote my life to bringing the gift of the arts into schools. It is a gift of self expression that can infuse a life with meaning and beauty. So I accept your opinion, but reject your view of art as an elitist activity for a certain few who are deemed (who deems them again, you?) worthy of using the word art. You are on the wrong side of the hater fence Nabbie. Not about my music, you are welcome to your judgement, but about the concept of how the activity of producing art at any level enriches the human spirit. It exists way beyond the ability for you to influence. It would enrich your own life if you could step out of the judgmental cage of your greatness-or-nothing view. N: and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. M: Here you are just being silly and trying to be mean. It is complicated. I have a realistic view of where my artistic contributions fit into the history of my genre. Do you know who is the most humble concerning their own musical talent and Robert Johnson's greatness? The guy who plays his music every day with respect and wonder that such an artist might be forgotten in this generation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I doubt you listened to the stuff he put on youtube. This is merry entertainment for street-corners and parties M:Where exactly do you imagine guys like Robert Johnson performed? and has nothing to do with art however much Curtis tries to convince himself of the contrary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Thanks to anartaxius for posting this and for your inspiring words Ann. I believe that blues gives voice to the indomitable human spirit, so it is as relevant today as when it was created. It has gone all over the world to shape modern popular music, and fills my life with meaning every day. Blues was the party music of its day, discussing relationships, having fun and why my kind-hearted woman or man, studies evil all the time! Facing the ups and downs of life with the equanimity of humor. I liked how you said it: music as real life. Keep up the good work, Curtis. Keep singing, and playing and making music about life, and people and all the trouble and the joy they can get themselves into. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. Cool, nice find. Curtis is, of course, an artist. Whether Nabby likes his music or not is Nabby's business. Nabby might hate all Blues music, not just Curtis'. But Curtis passionately pursues his art and this has resulted in his passion spilling over into many aspects of his life including his teaching and this is great. I also love the fact that his preferred musical genre is a sort of step into the past where he then becomes a sort of preserver of rare and beautiful things - a curator of sorts. This music is very much worth preserving and promoting as it speaks so much to history and the human condition. Curtis' preferred style of blues reveal much about life and human beings and their perpetual struggles as well as their small victories. Music as real life.
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From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I doubt you listened to the stuff he put on youtube. This is merry entertainment for street-corners and parties M:Where exactly do you imagine guys like Robert Johnson performed? This entire thread could be reduced to this one statement from Nabby, and this perfect response from Curtis. Utter, complete ignorance meets real knowledge and experience on the Internet and, rather than being open to learning from it, tries to put it down. It doesn't end well for the ignorant one.
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So what do you consider art? A film where you watch a guy eat a can of peaches for half an hour and nothing else happens? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness I doubt you listened to the stuff he put on youtube. This is merry entertainment for street-corners and parties and has nothing to do with art however much Curtis tries to convince himself of the contrary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues Curtis Blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living
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Funny, you compare yourself to Robert Johnson now ? One wonders what else is wrong with you other than a oversized ego. Judy repeatedly call you a blatant a liar, but you are fooling only yourself after all those years saying to yourself I create art over and over again. All others has to do is watch the videos you for some unknown reason and voluntarily posted on youtube, like this one that in 5 years has reached a surprising 506 viewers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I doubt you listened to the stuff he put on youtube. This is merry entertainment for street-corners and parties M:Where exactly do you imagine guys like Robert Johnson performed? and has nothing to do with art however much Curtis tries to convince himself of the contrary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby
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That would be one weird film :-) Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Now I wonder what Nabby would think of your music if David Lynch decided to use a cut of it in a film? ;-) On 10/30/2014 08:17 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What happened to the guy who said that the conversation was over from your side? I guess you are seeking some closure you haven't gotten yet. Let's see if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. M: I claim that my music is my art. I make living as a musical artist. Because you erroneously conflate this with me saying I make life changing, ground breaking, masterful, mind blowing, art you have contrived something to criticize me for beyond offering your personal opinion about a video you saw. I simply say that this is MY art. It is how I represent my inner life into a form of sound that is shared with others. The people who pay me to perform it and who buy my CDs like it, I acknowledge that you have weighed in that you don't like the videos you saw of my performance, and most people say : Who? N: I claim you produce noise M: What aspect of this point do you think I have missed? I get it, you have an unfavorable opinion about a video you saw. Check. Message received. You seem to be looking for a different outcome than me recognizing your opinion. Do you think perhaps I might use your opinion to stop working in this field? Do you think with your feedback I will change my musical focus, take up the violin perhaps? I have enjoyed this chat as a writing prompt for considering this public job I do. What you don't seem to realize, as you strive to influence me with your opinion, is that before I ever stand in front of other people to judge my art, I have already spent countless hours passing the audition of my toughest critic, me. Any performing artist spends 99 per cent of his or her time alone mastering their art to their own satisfaction. I play the way I like, that is why I am at peace with people who don't like it. Of course I don't usually hear from them so this has been a bit of an opportunity for reflection and I thank you for that. And despite your persistently curmudgeonly view of my work, I get a lot of positive feedback because I put on excellent shows. I work hard at it like most conscientious people in their jobs and I get the job done. Performing is a weird line of work in that your job performance review is simultaneous to you doing the job. But even if audiences took your POV and rejected my music, I would still be playing it this way. I would just not be getting paid for it! Like most people with a desire to express themselves through art, I would only perform for myself and whatever girlfriend I was torturing with my music at the time. The positive or negative feedback from other people doesn't change an artist's need to express their inner life the way they do. You don't seem to understand this fact about artists. So instead you are caught up in a world of thinking your harsh statements should affect me in some way. Art doesn't come from that place you can reach with your words. It isn't sustained by people appreciating what an artist produces. Artists live in the world beyond all the rise and fall of outer opinions. Many great artists were only appreciate after their death, Robert Johnson included. He was not popular in his day. He was struggling till the day he died. That is one of the many reasons I devote my life to bringing the gift of the arts into schools. It is a gift of self expression that can infuse a life with meaning and beauty. So I accept your opinion, but reject your view of art as an elitist activity for a certain few who are deemed (who deems them again, you?) worthy of using the word art. You are on the wrong side of the hater fence Nabbie. Not about my music, you are welcome to your judgement, but about the concept of how the activity of producing art at any level enriches the human spirit. It exists way beyond the ability for you to influence. It would enrich your own life if you could step out of the judgmental cage of your greatness-or-nothing view. N: and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. M: Here you are just being silly and trying to be mean. It is
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Funny, you compare yourself to Robert Johnson now ? M: No but you were making fun of me playing in he same places and conditions he did. N: One wonders what else is wrong with you other than a oversized ego. M: Does one? Judy repeatedly call you a blatant a liar, M: She did indeed, it was part of her ad hominem attack instead of rational argument program. N: but you are fooling only yourself after all those years saying to yourself I create art over and over again. All others has to do is watch the videos you for some unknown reason and voluntarily posted on youtube, like this one that in 5 years has reached a surprising 506 viewers: M: Look at the name under the video and his commnents dimwit. It was posted by a proud dad whose kids were in my show. It is amazing that it got that many views considering the small number of friends it was intended for. Look at the kids engaged by music created before their father was born. The CNN video he refers to has a broken link. Here it is: Curtis Blues Busking Show.mov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ Curtis Blues Busking Show.mov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ Acoustic Blues preservationist Curtis Blues performs in Old Town Alexandria, VA to keep the blues alive. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo M: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I doubt you listened to the stuff he put on youtube. This is merry entertainment for street-corners and parties M:Where exactly do you imagine guys like Robert Johnson performed? and has nothing to do with art however much Curtis tries to convince himself of the contrary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Here's someone I once giged with though a bit of a nightmare for any drummer as he tended to drop beats. :-D http://youtu.be/keQR4_7DBnM On 10/30/2014 10:37 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: That would be one weird film :-) Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Now I wonder what Nabby would think of your music if David Lynch decided to use a cut of it in a film? ;-) On 10/30/2014 08:17 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What happened to the guy who said that the conversation was over from your side? I guess you are seeking some closure you haven't gotten yet. Let's see if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. M: I claim that my music is my art. I make living as a musical artist. Because you erroneously conflate this with me saying I make life changing, ground breaking, masterful, mind blowing, art you have contrived something to criticize me for beyond offering your personal opinion about a video you saw. I simply say that this is MY art. It is how I represent my inner life into a form of sound that is shared with others. The people who pay me to perform it and who buy my CDs like it, I acknowledge that you have weighed in that you don't like the videos you saw of my performance, and most people say : Who? N: I claim you produce noise M: What aspect of this point do you think I have missed? I get it, you have an unfavorable opinion about a video you saw. Check. Message received. You seem to be looking for a different outcome than me recognizing your opinion. Do you think perhaps I might use your opinion to stop working in this field? Do you think with your feedback I will change my musical focus, take up the violin perhaps? I have enjoyed this chat as a writing prompt for considering this public job I do. What you don't seem to realize, as you strive to influence me with your opinion, is that before I ever stand in front of other people to judge my art, I have already spent countless hours passing the audition of my toughest critic, me. Any performing artist spends 99 per cent of his or her time alone mastering their art to their own satisfaction. I play the way I like, that is why I am at peace with people who don't like it. Of course I don't usually hear from them so this has been a bit of an opportunity for reflection and I thank you for that. And despite your persistently curmudgeonly view of my work, I get a lot of positive feedback because I put on excellent shows. I work hard at it like most conscientious people in their jobs and I get the job done. Performing is a weird line of work in that your job performance review is simultaneous to you doing the job. But even if audiences took your POV and rejected my music, I would still be playing it this way. I would just not be getting paid for it! Like most people with a desire to express themselves through art, I would only perform for myself and whatever girlfriend I was torturing with my music at the time. The positive or negative feedback from other people doesn't change an artist's need to express their inner life the way they do. You don't seem to understand this fact about artists. So instead you are caught up in a world of thinking your harsh statements should affect me in some way. Art doesn't come from that place you can reach with your words. It isn't sustained by people appreciating what an artist produces. Artists live in the world beyond all the rise and fall of outer opinions. Many great artists were only appreciate after their death, Robert Johnson included. He was not popular in his day. He was struggling till the day he died. That is one of the many reasons I devote my life to bringing the gift of the arts into schools. It is a gift of self expression that can infuse a life with meaning and beauty. So I accept your opinion, but reject your view of art as an elitist activity for a certain few who are deemed (who deems them again, you?) worthy of using the word art. You are on the wrong side of the hater fence Nabbie. Not about my music, you are welcome to your judgement,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
One must give you credit for not giving up, or is it an inability to face reality. I never mocked street-corners quite the contrary, I believe that's where your entertainment belongs. Judy can defend herself when she returns, but she has a talent for smelling a lie when she sees one, and she caught you in the act more than once. She will (certainly) correct me if I'm wrong but I even believe she called you a compulsory serial-liar and one that would try to bend a story backwards 180 degrees when caugth in the act. Anyways, the most clownish lie is the one you keep telling yourself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Funny, you compare yourself to Robert Johnson now ? M: No but you were making fun of me playing in he same places and conditions he did. N: One wonders what else is wrong with you other than a oversized ego. M: Does one? Judy repeatedly call you a blatant a liar, M: She did indeed, it was part of her ad hominem attack instead of rational argument program. N: but you are fooling only yourself after all those years saying to yourself I create art over and over again. All others has to do is watch the videos you for some unknown reason and voluntarily posted on youtube, like this one that in 5 years has reached a surprising 506 viewers: M: Look at the name under the video and his commnents dimwit. It was posted by a proud dad whose kids were in my show. It is amazing that it got that many views considering the small number of friends it was intended for. Look at the kids engaged by music created before their father was born. The CNN video he refers to has a broken link. Here it is: Curtis Blues Busking Show.mov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ Curtis Blues Busking Show.mov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ Acoustic Blues preservationist Curtis Blues performs in Old Town Alexandria, VA to keep the blues alive. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo M: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I doubt you listened to the stuff he put on youtube. This is merry entertainment for street-corners and parties M:Where exactly do you imagine guys like Robert Johnson performed? and has nothing to do with art however much Curtis tries to convince himself of the contrary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : One must give you credit for not giving up, or is it an inability to face reality. I never mocked street-corners quite the contrary, I believe that's where your entertainment belongs. Judy can defend herself when she returns, but she has a talent for smelling a lie when she sees one, and she caught you in the act more than once. She will (certainly) correct me if I'm wrong but I even believe she called you a compulsory serial-liar and one that would try to bend a story backwards 180 degrees when caugth in the act. Anyways, the most clownish lie is the one you keep telling yourself. M: So now your are going with insults previous posters have hurled at me? Ok, if that is all you got. But since we are on the subject of liars... since the guy who posted the video you continually attributed to me very clearly put his picture, name and comments below the video... And as far as where my music belongs, it was good enough for the National Theater in D.C. and Wolf Trap National Performing Art Center, the most prestigious venues in my area. Selling your musical taste as more than that isn't gunna get any traction from my fans here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Funny, you compare yourself to Robert Johnson now ? M: No but you were making fun of me playing in he same places and conditions he did. N: One wonders what else is wrong with you other than a oversized ego. M: Does one? Judy repeatedly call you a blatant a liar, M: She did indeed, it was part of her ad hominem attack instead of rational argument program. N: but you are fooling only yourself after all those years saying to yourself I create art over and over again. All others has to do is watch the videos you for some unknown reason and voluntarily posted on youtube, like this one that in 5 years has reached a surprising 506 viewers: M: Look at the name under the video and his commnents dimwit. It was posted by a proud dad whose kids were in my show. It is amazing that it got that many views considering the small number of friends it was intended for. Look at the kids engaged by music created before their father was born. The CNN video he refers to has a broken link. Here it is: Curtis Blues Busking Show.mov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ Curtis Blues Busking Show.mov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ Acoustic Blues preservationist Curtis Blues performs in Old Town Alexandria, VA to keep the blues alive. View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywyaUamq1SQ Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo M: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I doubt you listened to the stuff he put on youtube. This is merry entertainment for street-corners and parties M:Where exactly do you imagine guys like Robert Johnson performed? and has nothing to do with art however much Curtis tries to convince himself of the contrary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
That is so badass I can hardly stand it. I didn't know that about you. Guys like Lighting just went where they felt like it whenever they wanted. I miss some of the raggedy irregularity of those guys. Can't imagine backing him though! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Here's someone I once giged with though a bit of a nightmare for any drummer as he tended to drop beats. :-D http://youtu.be/keQR4_7DBnM http://youtu.be/keQR4_7DBnM On 10/30/2014 10:37 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: That would be one weird film :-) Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Now I wonder what Nabby would think of your music if David Lynch decided to use a cut of it in a film? ;-) On 10/30/2014 08:17 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What happened to the guy who said that the conversation was over from your side? I guess you are seeking some closure you haven't gotten yet. Let's see if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. M: I claim that my music is my art. I make living as a musical artist. Because you erroneously conflate this with me saying I make life changing, ground breaking, masterful, mind blowing, art you have contrived something to criticize me for beyond offering your personal opinion about a video you saw. I simply say that this is MY art. It is how I represent my inner life into a form of sound that is shared with others. The people who pay me to perform it and who buy my CDs like it, I acknowledge that you have weighed in that you don't like the videos you saw of my performance, and most people say : Who? N: I claim you produce noise M: What aspect of this point do you think I have missed? I get it, you have an unfavorable opinion about a video you saw. Check. Message received. You seem to be looking for a different outcome than me recognizing your opinion. Do you think perhaps I might use your opinion to stop working in this field? Do you think with your feedback I will change my musical focus, take up the violin perhaps? I have enjoyed this chat as a writing prompt for considering this public job I do. What you don't seem to realize, as you strive to influence me with your opinion, is that before I ever stand in front of other people to judge my art, I have already spent countless hours passing the audition of my toughest critic, me. Any performing artist spends 99 per cent of his or her time alone mastering their art to their own satisfaction. I play the way I like, that is why I am at peace with people who don't like it. Of course I don't usually hear from them so this has been a bit of an opportunity for reflection and I thank you for that. And despite your persistently curmudgeonly view of my work, I get a lot of positive feedback because I put on excellent shows. I work hard at it like most conscientious people in their jobs and I get the job done. Performing is a weird line of work in that your job performance review is simultaneous to you doing the job. But even if audiences took your POV and rejected my music, I would still be playing it this way. I would just not be getting paid for it! Like most people with a desire to express themselves through art, I would only perform for myself and whatever girlfriend I was torturing with my music at the time. The positive or negative feedback from other people doesn't change an artist's need to express their inner life the way they do. You don't seem to understand this fact about artists. So instead you are caught up in a world of thinking your harsh statements should affect me in some way. Art doesn't come from that place you can reach with your words. It isn't sustained by people appreciating what an artist produces. Artists live in the world beyond all the rise and fall of outer opinions. Many great artists were only appreciate after their death, Robert Johnson included. He was not popular in his day. He was struggling till the day he died. That is one of the many reasons I devote my life to bringing the gift of the arts into schools. It is a gift of self expression that can infuse a life with meaning and beauty. So I accept your opinion, but reject your view of art as an elitist activity for a certain few who are deemed (who deems them again, you?) worthy of using the word art. You are on the wrong side of the hater fence Nabbie. Not about my music, you are welcome to your judgement,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Always a problem with figuring out whether a performer wants you to comp or be the time keeper. These days I might ask. I backed James Caan once for some 3/4 blues but it was more like 3/4 1 and 7/8s. :-D On 10/30/2014 11:49 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: That is so badass I can hardly stand it. I didn't know that about you. Guys like Lighting just went where they felt like it whenever they wanted. I miss some of the raggedy irregularity of those guys. Can't imagine backing him though! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Here's someone I once giged with though a bit of a nightmare for any drummer as he tended to drop beats. :-D http://youtu.be/keQR4_7DBnM On 10/30/2014 10:37 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: That would be one weird film :-) Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Now I wonder what Nabby would think of your music if David Lynch decided to use a cut of it in a film? ;-) On 10/30/2014 08:17 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What happened to the guy who said that the conversation was over from your side? I guess you are seeking some closure you haven't gotten yet. Let's see if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. M: I claim that my music is my art. I make living as a musical artist. Because you erroneously conflate this with me saying I make life changing, ground breaking, masterful, mind blowing, art you have contrived something to criticize me for beyond offering your personal opinion about a video you saw. I simply say that this is MY art. It is how I represent my inner life into a form of sound that is shared with others. The people who pay me to perform it and who buy my CDs like it, I acknowledge that you have weighed in that you don't like the videos you saw of my performance, and most people say : Who? N: I claim you produce noise M: What aspect of this point do you think I have missed? I get it, you have an unfavorable opinion about a video you saw. Check. Message received. You seem to be looking for a different outcome than me recognizing your opinion. Do you think perhaps I might use your opinion to stop working in this field? Do you think with your feedback I will change my musical focus, take up the violin perhaps? I have enjoyed this chat as a writing prompt for considering this public job I do. What you don't seem to realize, as you strive to influence me with your opinion, is that before I ever stand in front of other people to judge my art, I have already spent countless hours passing the audition of my toughest critic, me. Any performing artist spends 99 per cent of his or her time alone mastering their art to their own satisfaction. I play the way I like, that is why I am at peace with people who don't like it. Of course I don't usually hear from them so this has been a bit of an opportunity for reflection and I thank you for that. And despite your persistently curmudgeonly view of my work, I get a lot of positive feedback because I put on excellent shows. I work hard at it like most conscientious people in their jobs and I get the job done. Performing is a weird line of work in that your job performance review is simultaneous to you doing the job. But even if audiences took your POV and rejected my music, I would still be playing it this way. I would just not be getting paid for it! Like most people with a desire to express themselves through art, I would only perform for myself and whatever girlfriend I was torturing with my music at the time. The positive or negative feedback from other people doesn't change an artist's need to express their inner life the way they do. You don't seem to understand this fact about artists. So instead you are caught up in a world of thinking your harsh statements should affect me in some way. Art doesn't come from that place you can reach with your words. It isn't sustained by people appreciating what an artist produces. Artists live in the world beyond all the rise and fall of outer
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Fascinating distinction. This is why I do my own drumming. It lets me go with the feeling of the moment. Lately I've been studying African and Afro-Caribbean rhythms. Very challenging but also stimulating to my whole sense of rhythm. I wish I was a dancer, that is how to groove these in better. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Always a problem with figuring out whether a performer wants you to comp or be the time keeper. These days I might ask. I backed James Caan once for some 3/4 blues but it was more like 3/4 1 and 7/8s. :-D On 10/30/2014 11:49 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: That is so badass I can hardly stand it. I didn't know that about you. Guys like Lighting just went where they felt like it whenever they wanted. I miss some of the raggedy irregularity of those guys. Can't imagine backing him though! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Here's someone I once giged with though a bit of a nightmare for any drummer as he tended to drop beats. :-D http://youtu.be/keQR4_7DBnM http://youtu.be/keQR4_7DBnM On 10/30/2014 10:37 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: That would be one weird film :-) Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Now I wonder what Nabby would think of your music if David Lynch decided to use a cut of it in a film? ;-) On 10/30/2014 08:17 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What happened to the guy who said that the conversation was over from your side? I guess you are seeking some closure you haven't gotten yet. Let's see if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. M: I claim that my music is my art. I make living as a musical artist. Because you erroneously conflate this with me saying I make life changing, ground breaking, masterful, mind blowing, art you have contrived something to criticize me for beyond offering your personal opinion about a video you saw. I simply say that this is MY art. It is how I represent my inner life into a form of sound that is shared with others. The people who pay me to perform it and who buy my CDs like it, I acknowledge that you have weighed in that you don't like the videos you saw of my performance, and most people say : Who? N: I claim you produce noise M: What aspect of this point do you think I have missed? I get it, you have an unfavorable opinion about a video you saw. Check. Message received. You seem to be looking for a different outcome than me recognizing your opinion. Do you think perhaps I might use your opinion to stop working in this field? Do you think with your feedback I will change my musical focus, take up the violin perhaps? I have enjoyed this chat as a writing prompt for considering this public job I do. What you don't seem to realize, as you strive to influence me with your opinion, is that before I ever stand in front of other people to judge my art, I have already spent countless hours passing the audition of my toughest critic, me. Any performing artist spends 99 per cent of his or her time alone mastering their art to their own satisfaction. I play the way I like, that is why I am at peace with people who don't like it. Of course I don't usually hear from them so this has been a bit of an opportunity for reflection and I thank you for that. And despite your persistently curmudgeonly view of my work, I get a lot of positive feedback because I put on excellent shows. I work hard at it like most conscientious people in their jobs and I get the job done. Performing is a weird line of work in that your job performance review is simultaneous to you doing the job. But even if audiences took your POV and rejected my music, I would still be playing it this way. I would just not be getting paid for it! Like most people with a desire to express themselves through art, I would only perform for myself and whatever girlfriend I was torturing with my music at the time. The positive or negative feedback from other people doesn't change an artist's need to express their inner life the way they do. You don't seem to understand this fact about artists. So instead you are caught up in a world of thinking your harsh statements should affect me in some way. Art doesn't come from that place you can reach with your words. It isn't sustained
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I would often play to the dancers on gigs. It got them more into the music. I also had a girlfriend who was a very good dancer and was fun to play to. On 10/30/2014 01:06 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Fascinating distinction. This is why I do my own drumming. It lets me go with the feeling of the moment. Lately I've been studying African and Afro-Caribbean rhythms. Very challenging but also stimulating to my whole sense of rhythm. I wish I was a dancer, that is how to groove these in better. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Always a problem with figuring out whether a performer wants you to comp or be the time keeper. These days I might ask. I backed James Caan once for some 3/4 blues but it was more like 3/4 1 and 7/8s. :-D On 10/30/2014 11:49 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: That is so badass I can hardly stand it. I didn't know that about you. Guys like Lighting just went where they felt like it whenever they wanted. I miss some of the raggedy irregularity of those guys. Can't imagine backing him though! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Here's someone I once giged with though a bit of a nightmare for any drummer as he tended to drop beats. :-D http://youtu.be/keQR4_7DBnM On 10/30/2014 10:37 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: That would be one weird film :-) Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Now I wonder what Nabby would think of your music if David Lynch decided to use a cut of it in a film? ;-) On 10/30/2014 08:17 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What happened to the guy who said that the conversation was over from your side? I guess you are seeking some closure you haven't gotten yet. Let's see if I can help. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. M: I claim that my music is my art. I make living as a musical artist. Because you erroneously conflate this with me saying I make life changing, ground breaking, masterful, mind blowing, art you have contrived something to criticize me for beyond offering your personal opinion about a video you saw. I simply say that this is MY art. It is how I represent my inner life into a form of sound that is shared with others. The people who pay me to perform it and who buy my CDs like it, I acknowledge that you have weighed in that you don't like the videos you saw of my performance, and most people say : Who? N: I claim you produce noise M: What aspect of this point do you think I have missed? I get it, you have an unfavorable opinion about a video you saw. Check. Message received. You seem to be looking for a different outcome than me recognizing your opinion. Do you think perhaps I might use your opinion to stop working in this field? Do you think with your feedback I will change my musical focus, take up the violin perhaps? I have enjoyed this chat as a writing prompt for considering this public job I do. What you don't seem to realize, as you strive to influence me with your opinion, is that before I ever stand in front of other people to judge my art, I have already spent countless hours passing the audition of my toughest critic, me. Any performing artist spends 99 per cent of his or her time alone mastering their art to their own satisfaction. I play the way I like, that is why I am at peace with people who don't like it. Of course I don't usually hear from them so this has been a bit of an opportunity for reflection and I thank you for that. And despite your persistently curmudgeonly view of my work, I get a lot of positive feedback because I put on excellent shows. I work hard at it like most conscientious people in their jobs and I get the job
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Selling your musical taste as more than that isn't gunna get any traction from my fans here. So, you have fans here now ? We know this place is populated by some pretty weird souls but who would have guessed they are your fans !
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Have you been watching Lena Dunham's Girls? On 10/30/2014 02:50 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Selling your musical taste as more than that isn't gunna get any traction from my fans here. So, you have fans here now ? We know this place is populated by some pretty weird souls but who would have guessed they are your fans !
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Beautiful, well done Barry. This is the real you. Damn, but you live for this. I'm so glad you're past any residual anger or resentment towards MMY, and the TMO. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Ha ha ha ha! Certified Arts Integration performer!!! That's better than being a RE-certified Governor!!! Pays better, too. And, there is the added benefit that when you tell people what you do for a living, when you walk away as an artist they're not snickering at you behind your back, saying, Could you *believe* that idiot? He actually believes that he's a 'Certified Governor' of something he calls the 'Age of Enlightenment'. What a nut job. Then again, even being snickered at as a 'Certified Governor' is better than the uncontrollable laughter you'd hear behind you if you had told them you were a 'Raja' of the 'Global Country of Enlightenment. Possibly the ONLY thing Maharishi excelled at was creating the dumbest job titles in human history. :-) From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Might as well eat your heart out Nabby, your limited opinion about the nature of art does not count: Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. His musical programs integrat... View on artsfairfax.org http://artsfairfax.org/component/mtree/education/curtis-blues Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues, a certified Arts Integration performer, was named the Blues Artist of the Year by the Washington DC Blues Society. Note that the link goes to the Arts Council of Fairfax County, Virginia. Curtis is a recognised artist, and you just have a bee in your bonnet. Wake up. I do not see why Curtis needs to change his view to support your myopic view of the world. I think Curtis is an artist, and I normally do not listen to blues music, though I have a certain fondness for Billie Holiday. == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Thanks for clearing that up. All beautiful and I guess if I had any smarts I would have noticed the style difference. Did you take the cloudy shot in black and white or desaturate it in Photoshop? I always wonder which is better. My fault for the confusion, it was late and I didn't think before posting and only realised when I looked at it afterwards. The cloudy one was processed in Adobe Lightroom which is a simpler program than Photoshop, and basically used for converting Raw files, which is where the camera remembers all the data captured by the sensor instead of you getting the finished J-peg from the camera and trying to adjust that later. The advantage with Raw files is that you get much more freedom in deciding all aspects of picture, white balance, exposure, contrast and colour saturation can all be widely adjusted afterwards. Or as here converted to BW, the cool thing is you can alter each colour so it's effect is the same as in the old days when we used to use different colour filters to change a BW shot - a red filter turns a blue sky black for instance. But the best thing about Lightroom is that it saves the original so you can have another go later when your skills improve.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : These are really nice photos here. Thank you. The composition is good. That's the first essential, there's a few tricks you can deploy to get people to look at the pictures for longer, the rule of thirds, leading lines etc. The aim for me is a balance between two or more things so that the eye wanders about within the frame instead of sliding over without latching on to anything. This is one of the first things poor photography lacks. These are also technically competent, which is fortunately much easier to achieve these days. One of the problems with digital cameras is that people can get great results in auto without really knowing what it is that the camera is doing. The problem comes when you get a situation like my Trafalgar square shot, without knowing what setting to override you wouldn't get that result, in fact there were a lot of photographers there with much flasher cameras than mine who weren't getting the length of the exposure right and so missed out on those colours. There was also a few thousand people watching a very loud football match on a giant screen just to the right of the shot. I was lucky to get the composition I did. And without a tripod! I often get asked to teach people how their new camera works and when you look at a modern DSLR in the context of learning the basics it's almost like they are designed to baffle and make you think photography is so much harder than it actually is. I tell them to set it to manual and use the centre weighted metering so it's just like the old Pentax I used for 20 years after my Dad gave it to me. It's the only way to learn photography as there are only 3 parameters that affect the outcome of the picture, shutter speed, aperture size and film speed (ISO) if you don't know how changing those affects the picture you can be baffled forever by all the scene modes on cameras and miss out on some neat creative essentials that can make or break a difficult shot. I have put up a few snapshots occasionally but I tend to delete them after a while. I don't like things circulating on the Internet though for most of the things I have posted it probably would not matter that much. I know what you mean, I haven't had anything nicked yet but I know some really good photographers who spend a lot of time in court trying to get copyrighted pictures back. Having large files on the net is asking for it unfortunately, most unfair if you are trying to make a living. One guy had some photos stolen and used on a government tourist website, which is a real bloody nerve of someone and when he complained they just offered him the measly rate they'd pay a photo library as compensation! Which wasn't enough as his stuff is proper art, nothing like my happy snaps, and he exhibits all over Europe, so he has a reputation to protect and long fight on his hands I suspect. I've only got a couple I put on a camera tech site to see how they looked compared to everyone elses. When I was younger I used black and white film, but now digital cameras shoot everything in colour even though some have black and white settings, it is better to convert digital colour to black and white after the fact when one has more control. Photographers should study art, and old paintings from all schools in my opinion. Composition is primarily a function of luminance forms which is basically black and white, masses of light and dark and grey. Colour is a secondary consideration in composition, like the icing on a well made cake. One of the main differences between photographers with lousy compositional skills is the difference between object-oriented or content oriented photography and image or field or framing oriented photography. In the former the 'shooter' focuses on some object they find interesting or a patch of colour. In the latter the photographer arranges all the elements of the scene in the bounding frame of the camera, he/she is not pointing at a specific object (even though there may be a primary subject, such as a portrait of a person), rather the relationship between the elements in the scene are consciously photographed, and this is a function of basic forms. Most of my photos are landscape shots where I go for maximum drama, a nice leading line through the shot and some nice stormy light, can't go wrong! I also like cityscapes with no people in them, bit tricky in London but I manage by getting up ludicrously early! A few more: --
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What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time; Claiming to be an artist just because others are willing to pay for it is just foolish and comes from an ego out of control. M: No Nabbie, I don't say I am an artist because I make my total living from it, that is what makes me a professional musician. The word artist is my job description in the agencies who get me business as an artist on their roster of artists who offer serves in the arts to people who want to hire artists to perform art in artistic venues. The ego out of control is the person who believes that his subjective opinion about what art he prefers should be the deciding factor in using a word that relates to the product created by people in the arts. You are imposing subjective snob standards because no one told you that you are not in charge of what is and is not, art. Consider this your notice. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Mittwoch aus Licht - Mittwochs-Gruß The greeting of the opera WEDNESDAY from LIGHT. The Wednesday Greeting consists of the electronic music from the fourth s... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Interesting that Cartier-Bresson spent a lot of time drawing and painting, especially after he retired from photography, so calling himself not an artist is rather peculiar. There are lots of photographers that think photography can be an art. I have always thought of it this way. Take this atmospheric photograph of the Flatiron Building in New York City made in 1904 by Edward Steichen. Just like music, painting, sculpture, photographic images can have compositional and tonal integrity. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. In photography as well as music there are amateurs who are more capable artistically than professionals, but they do not make their living that way. A professional has to produce consistent results day in and day out, they have to be reliable. Bad musicians sing and often play out of tune, so it is less likely they could survive professionally. Photography is so common place, and cameras ubiquitous today, that it is probably difficult for photographers with the run-of-the-mill stuff that just about any idiot can produce photographically today. Most people can tell the difference between a good musician and a bad one, but most of them cannot tell a good photograph from a bad one, in part because photography is a very mechanical profession compared to playing an instrument, which requires some considerable skill to be even barely competent. I think your criticisms of Curtis's ability is far off the mark. Perhaps you are discombobulated by his intellect, which is certainly more powerful than yours or mine. This can be very annoying if you have a strong emotional attachment to TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You are right, different instruments obviously need different approaches to training. My suggestion was a hint only, to sit down and listen to one note at the time which should be done regardless of instrument and would benefit any amateur who often tries to accomplish too much too soon. M: This is called every day of my life Nabbie. Check out Well Worn Blues and Love in Vain even in preview on CDBABY on my Well Worn Blues CD and you will see an example of what you are talking about. The start of Well Worn Blues is being
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I figure art is a 'practice makes perfect' type of thing - past lives. I naturally express myself through drawing, painting, free-form ceramics, wood carving, photography, video, etc. Seems to take a highly developed sense of eye-hand coordination, so that what the eye sees, the hands can duplicate, with tools. It was something I was born with, and have always treated it pretty casually, since it is so accessible. I also made the decision in high school not to follow it as a career, because my best chances for success, and a steady paycheck, would have been in commercial art, and in my youthful idealism, I considered that a form of prostitution. So it has always accompanied me, with my interest growing or waning over the years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : My best friend in high school was a gifted artist, and the best ceramicist in the school. He could center the clay immediately, make thin walls, lips, lids with ease, while I would struggle with each of those things. I am still in awe of artists who are able to draw or create art with ease. I may have told this story before. In the fifth grade, there was a kid, Chris Hagelin, who even at that age was a gifted artist. He died of a brain hemorrhage that summer. I remember a picture of the headless horseman he made. At the St. Louis Zoo, there is a fountain made of animal figures our sixth grade class in remembrance of him. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When I was trying to make a living doing art, I met real artists who were so artistically superior that I was ashamed to present my stuff -- and yet most could not make a living selling their art. At one time I was in three galleries and never came close to selling enough to cut it. I met one guy who had major works in many museums and still couldn't sell enough to quit his day job. And the gallery owners are all about the money. I had one tell me, as he looked at one of my canvases, Oh, I couldn't sell this. Purple never sells. See? Try to use purple after that. The true artist is up against such a wall of ignorance. Each one is like a preacher on a stump in the public square -- speaking an unknown dialect.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... Thanks for promoting my CD online: ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time; Claiming to be an artist just because others are willing to pay for it is just foolish and comes from an ego out of control. M: No Nabbie, I don't say I am an artist because I make my total living from it, that is what makes me a professional musician. The word artist is my job description in the agencies who get me business as an artist on their roster of artists who offer serves in the arts to people who want to hire artists to perform art in artistic venues. The ego out of control is the person who believes that his subjective opinion about what art he prefers should be the deciding factor in using a word that relates to the product created by people in the arts. You are imposing subjective snob standards because no one told you that you are not in charge of what is and is not, art. Consider this your notice. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Mittwoch aus Licht - Mittwochs-Gruß The greeting of the opera WEDNESDAY from LIGHT. The Wednesday Greeting consists of the electronic music from the fourth s... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Interesting that Cartier-Bresson spent a lot of time drawing and painting, especially after he retired from photography, so calling himself not an artist is rather peculiar. There are lots of photographers that think photography can be an art. I have always thought of it this way. Take this atmospheric photograph of the Flatiron Building in New York City made in 1904 by Edward Steichen. Just like music, painting, sculpture, photographic images can have compositional and tonal integrity. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. In photography as well as music there are amateurs who are more capable artistically than professionals, but they do not make their living that way. A professional has to produce consistent results day in and day out, they have to be reliable. Bad musicians sing and often play out of tune, so it is less likely they could survive professionally. Photography is so common place, and cameras ubiquitous today, that it is probably difficult for photographers with the run-of-the-mill stuff that just about any idiot can produce photographically today. Most people can tell the difference between a good musician and a bad one, but most of them cannot tell
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It's obvious by now that you won't change and will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. Good luck with that. This discussion has hereby ended from my side. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time; Claiming to be an artist just because others are willing to pay for it is just foolish and comes from an ego out of control. M: No Nabbie, I don't say I am an artist because I make my total living from it, that is what makes me a professional musician. The word artist is my job description in the agencies who get me business as an artist on their roster of artists who offer serves in the arts to people who want to hire artists to perform art in artistic venues. The ego out of control is the person who believes that his subjective opinion about what art he prefers should be the deciding factor in using a word that relates to the product created by people in the arts. You are imposing subjective snob standards because no one told you that you are not in charge of what is and is not, art. Consider this your notice. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Mittwoch aus Licht - Mittwochs-Gruß The greeting of the opera WEDNESDAY from LIGHT. The Wednesday Greeting consists of the electronic music from the fourth s... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Interesting that Cartier-Bresson spent a lot of time drawing and painting, especially after he retired from photography, so calling himself not an artist is rather peculiar. There are lots of photographers that think photography can be an art. I have always thought of it this way. Take this atmospheric photograph of the Flatiron Building in New York City made in 1904 by Edward Steichen. Just like music, painting, sculpture, photographic images can have compositional and tonal integrity. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. In photography as well as music there are amateurs who are more capable artistically than professionals, but they do not make their living that way. A professional has to produce consistent results day in and day out, they have to be reliable. Bad musicians sing and often play out of tune, so it is less likely they could survive professionally. Photography is so common place, and cameras ubiquitous today, that it is probably difficult for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
I can't remember his exact words but an old art teacher of mine defined art as being something that someone does that helps them better understand the world or themselves. He put it a bit more eloquently but I like it as a description. I can see how the painters I know are struggling to put their emotions, philosophy and politics into visual form so that someone else can get an idea of what their inner vision is. Musicians are artists for the same reason, ideas and ways of thinking and feeling get passed on. That it can transform the world hardly needs saying. Art becomes a success when the person doing it feels they've nailed their aims, that's the struggle - getting good enough - what other people think is irrelevant as he considered it nothing to do with them. Of course, people like seeing what others think and feel and if it successfully communicates great truths then it will be more successful. The only thing we can say for sure is that we all see it differently. Sorry if you've already gone over this, I haven't read the whole thread ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... Thanks for promoting my CD online: ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time; Claiming to be an artist just because others are willing to pay for it is just foolish and comes from an ego out of control. M: No Nabbie, I don't say I am an artist because I make my total living from it, that is what makes me a professional musician. The word artist is my job description in the agencies who get me business as an artist on their roster of artists who offer serves in the arts to people who want to hire artists to perform art in artistic venues. The ego out of control is the person who believes that his subjective opinion about what art he prefers should be the deciding factor in using a word that relates to the product created by people in the arts. You are imposing subjective snob standards because no one told you that you are not in charge of what is and is not, art. Consider this your notice. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Mittwoch aus Licht - Mittwochs-Gruß The greeting of the opera WEDNESDAY from LIGHT. The Wednesday Greeting consists of the electronic music from the fourth s... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Interesting that Cartier-Bresson spent a lot of time drawing and painting, especially after he retired from
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time; Claiming to be an artist just because others are willing to pay for it is just foolish and comes from an ego out of control. M: No Nabbie, I don't say I am an artist because I make my total living from it, that is what makes me a professional musician. The word artist is my job description in the agencies who get me business as an artist on their roster of artists who offer serves in the arts to people who want to hire artists to perform art in artistic venues. The ego out of control is the person who believes that his subjective opinion about what art he prefers should be the deciding factor in using a word that relates to the product created by people in the arts. You are imposing subjective snob standards because no one told you that you are not in charge of what is and is not, art. Consider this your notice. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Mittwoch aus Licht - Mittwochs-Gruß The greeting of the opera WEDNESDAY from LIGHT. The Wednesday Greeting consists of the electronic music from the fourth s... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and simple nonsense and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time; Claiming to be an artist just because others are willing to pay for it is just foolish and comes from an ego out of control. M: No Nabbie, I don't say I am an artist because I make my total living from it, that is what makes me a professional musician. The word artist is my job description in the agencies who get me business as an artist on their roster of artists who offer serves in the arts to people who want to hire artists to perform art in artistic venues. The ego out of control is the person who believes that his subjective opinion about what art he prefers should be the deciding factor in using a word that relates to the product created by people in the arts. You are imposing subjective snob standards because no one told you that you are not in charge of what is and is not, art. Consider this your notice. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Mittwoch aus Licht - Mittwochs-Gruß The greeting of the opera WEDNESDAY from LIGHT. The Wednesday Greeting
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
You claim you produce art. I claim you produce noise and that your ego is out of control. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's obvious by now that you won't change M: You mean adapt a non native English speakers' misuse of the word for my job title in every organizations that books my shows? That was never on the table. What you need to do if you want to use English is to brush up on the adjectives. That let's you apply whatever personal standards you want to personalize a generic word like art. For example you could say that is groundbreaking art or shitty art, or even life changing, mind boggling, awesomenest ever art. But you don't get to miss-appropriate a generic term for a human activity as if your taste is the definition of the word. Again, that is where adjectives allow you to personalize your feelings about the activity. N:will continue to try to convince yourself by saying, dammit: I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist forever till you pop. M: Actually, just like Maharishi claimed, I didn't name myself that, this is how the arts groups refer to me as so people know what I do when they want to hire me. N: Good luck with that. M: Having excellent luck with that, thanks. N: This discussion has hereby ended from my side. M: This discussion was never open from YOUR side. We both know that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What is art and what isn't always is a hot theme and will probably never end. M: Popular among people who don't produce any. Most of my social life is with artists and the topic has never come up. N: And there will always be greedy persons who try to capitalize on that word to make a living, happens everywhere. M: I know those artists raking in the cash, big problem. I share your disdain for people trying to make a living. I mean why aren't they just eating brioche? I think the problem is a lack of a central control over the use of the term to describe this human activity. I'm thinking something along the lines of a re-certification course that they can pay for to use the word art. (Patent Pending) N: My statement about your music is my personal and passionate opinion after having seen the videos you posted. M: Gosh Nabs, I don't know how to tell you this but... inspiring people to personal passionate feelings IS the goal of my art. Just say'n... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time; Claiming to be an artist just because others are willing to pay for it is just foolish and comes from an ego out of control. M: No Nabbie, I don't say I am an artist because I make my total living from it, that is what makes me a professional musician. The word artist is my job description in the agencies who get me business as an artist on their roster of artists who offer serves in the arts to people who want to hire artists to perform art in artistic venues. The ego out of control is the person who believes that his subjective opinion about what art he prefers should be the deciding factor in using a word that relates to the product created by people in the arts. You are imposing subjective snob standards because no one told you that you are not in charge of what is and is not, art. Consider this your notice. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Mittwoch aus Licht - Mittwochs-Gruß The greeting of the opera WEDNESDAY from LIGHT. The Wednesday Greeting consists of the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I can't remember his exact words but an old art teacher of mine defined art as being something that someone does that helps them better understand the world or themselves. He put it a bit more eloquently but I like it as a description. I can see how the painters I know are struggling to put their emotions, philosophy and politics into visual form so that someone else can get an idea of what their inner vision is. Musicians are artists for the same reason, ideas and ways of thinking and feeling get passed on. That it can transform the world hardly needs saying. Art becomes a success when the person doing it feels they've nailed their aims, that's the struggle - getting good enough - what other people think is irrelevant as he considered it nothing to do with them. Of course, people like seeing what others think and feel and if it successfully communicates great truths then it will be more successful. The only thing we can say for sure is that we all see it differently. Sorry if you've already gone over this, I haven't read the whole thread ;-) I believe that visual artists attempt to show more about the thing they are rendering than portraying their inner state through the representation of a thing. I am not convinced that visual artists are so all about themselves but more about revealing some deeper condition or truth about a thing - be it a portrait of a person or a landscape. Art is often meant to enhance ones' knowledge and appreciation of creation and when an artist is successful at capturing that extra something then all are enriched. I guess you could also say that one can also appreciate the person within the artist when they are capable of deeper revelation through their work. That flatiron building photo is extraordinary in that it creates not only a visual but a real visceral feeling.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
You are right, different instruments obviously need different approaches to training. My suggestion was a hint only, to sit down and listen to one note at the time which should be done regardless of instrument and would benefit any amateur who often tries to accomplish too much too soon. Regarding your last question. I'm certainly producing soulless pictures for money. There is no artistic merit in this whatsoever, though I do try to make every picture sing, if not able to do that to some extent I would have no clients. Art in photography ? There are many but I like to mention Cartier-Bresson for many reasons, one being that he strongly denied that he was an artist :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Okay Nabbie, I listened to the Robert Johnson recording and to some of Curtis's recordings on YouTube. This is regarding you one note theory of music here. Granted some instruments tone productions can be a thing that must be practised, sounding a note on a violin is rather complex. But many instruments such as the piano, just about anyone can strike a note and it sounds the same. It is the relationships between the notes that make music not just one note. Beauty in a single note is in the eye of a beholder. Take the saxophone. This was originally intended to be a classical instrument, but for the most part it ended up in jazz, brass bands, on the popular side of the tracks. Classical saxophone playing is generally very smooth and mellow. While jazz players are often rather raspy in tone. You have to consider the style of music being played. If you consider 'beauty of tone' as a criterion, most jazz saxophonists sound like crap next to a good classical player. But the classical player probably could never replicate the style of the jazz players. YouTube is not the best way to hear music. It is compressed and often recopied and recompressed many times. Consumer video recorders have microphones that have distorted frequency response, often boosting the highs, and they are recorded at the camera location, not with optimum placement. The Robert Johnson recording is a solo, and 1936 recording technology loses both deep bass and much of the high frequencies (and an abrasive was added to the shellac of 78rpm records to keep the needle from wearing them down too quickly). His sound on the reproduction on YouTube is dead because it has been processed to remove the noise of that technology. So when you compare the musical sound of different musicians, you have to account for how the recording technology, and the recording engineer affect the final sound. Studio recordings tend to be different than live recordings. The atmosphere is more relaxed in a studio recording, and the need to project to an audience is absent so the sound might be more intimate. A completely acoustic performance without amplification requires projecting to the audience, and such a performance might sound a bit more intense than one in a more intimate setting. Comparing solo guitar and voice with what Curtis does with additional instruments is not a telling comparison. The ability to play slowly is nice, but a pro has to be able to handle rapid passages with ease, and without making serious errors. Now I can play slowly, because I am not that skilled, and have no other choice, lacking technical fluency. Five-year-old children can play the piano far better than I ever will. I am pretty good with single notes too. I can play them loud, soft, and in between. There are kinds of music I like, music I like less, and music I do not like, but I do not consider those performing music I do not like as crude etc., because I have not really investigated their artistry and style; some of these musicians seem to be fantastic in their technical ability. I mostly listen to Western European music, Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven and so forth, so I have a musical bias, I almost never listen to pop, jazz, musicals, rock, or blues. Learning something about the style of a particular kind of musics helps to appreciate more, even if in the end, you do not like it. For example, I do not like rap, but it takes a tremendous amount of rhythmic and verbal and literary skill to produce it. I read somewhere on FFL you were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure there are critics in the audience who would be glad to evaluate your artistic ability. What do you consider to be art in the field of photography? If we are discussing art versus non art, there must be some general criterion or criteria by which to evaluate it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? Good question. First of all I'd recommend practise, practise,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Nablusoss, I know you stated that you don't care, but just want to say, contrary to what turq suggested, there is at least one FFL person who enjoys some of your posts: I enjoy the crop circle pictures and the info from Creme and bits about aliens. On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:06 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You are right, different instruments obviously need different approaches to training. My suggestion was a hint only, to sit down and listen to one note at the time which should be done regardless of instrument and would benefit any amateur who often tries to accomplish too much too soon.Regarding your last question. I'm certainly producing soulless pictures for money. There is no artistic merit in this whatsoever, though I do try to make every picture sing, if not able to do that to some extent I would have no clients. Art in photography ? There are many but I like to mention Cartier-Bresson for many reasons, one being that he strongly denied that he was an artist :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Okay Nabbie, I listened to the Robert Johnson recording and to some of Curtis's recordings on YouTube. This is regarding you one note theory of music here. Granted some instruments tone productions can be a thing that must be practised, sounding a note on a violin is rather complex. But many instruments such as the piano, just about anyone can strike a note and it sounds the same. It is the relationships between the notes that make music not just one note. Beauty in a single note is in the eye of a beholder. Take the saxophone. This was originally intended to be a classical instrument, but for the most part it ended up in jazz, brass bands, on the popular side of the tracks. Classical saxophone playing is generally very smooth and mellow. While jazz players are often rather raspy in tone. You have to consider the style of music being played. If you consider 'beauty of tone' as a criterion, most jazz saxophonists sound like crap next to a good classical player. But the classical player probably could never replicate the style of the jazz players. YouTube is not the best way to hear music. It is compressed and often recopied and recompressed many times. Consumer video recorders have microphones that have distorted frequency response, often boosting the highs, and they are recorded at the camera location, not with optimum placement. The Robert Johnson recording is a solo, and 1936 recording technology loses both deep bass and much of the high frequencies (and an abrasive was added to the shellac of 78rpm records to keep the needle from wearing them down too quickly). His sound on the reproduction on YouTube is dead because it has been processed to remove the noise of that technology. So when you compare the musical sound of different musicians, you have to account for how the recording technology, and the recording engineer affect the final sound. Studio recordings tend to be different than live recordings. The atmosphere is more relaxed in a studio recording, and the need to project to an audience is absent so the sound might be more intimate. A completely acoustic performance without amplification requires projecting to the audience, and such a performance might sound a bit more intense than one in a more intimate setting. Comparing solo guitar and voice with what Curtis does with additional instruments is not a telling comparison. The ability to play slowly is nice, but a pro has to be able to handle rapid passages with ease, and without making serious errors. Now I can play slowly, because I am not that skilled, and have no other choice, lacking technical fluency. Five-year-old children can play the piano far better than I ever will. I am pretty good with single notes too. I can play them loud, soft, and in between. There are kinds of music I like, music I like less, and music I do not like, but I do not consider those performing music I do not like as crude etc., because I have not really investigated their artistry and style; some of these musicians seem to be fantastic in their technical ability. I mostly listen to Western European music, Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven and so forth, so I have a musical bias, I almost never listen to pop, jazz, musicals, rock, or blues. Learning something about the style of a particular kind of musics helps to appreciate more, even if in the end, you do not like it. For example, I do not like rap, but it takes a tremendous amount of rhythmic and verbal and literary skill to produce it. I read somewhere on FFL you were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure there are critics in the audience who would be glad to evaluate your artistic ability. What do you consider to be art in the field of photography? If we are
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Yep, Nabby's posts rock. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Nablusoss, I know you stated that you don't care, but just want to say, contrary to what turq suggested, there is at least one FFL person who enjoys some of your posts: I enjoy the crop circle pictures and the info from Creme and bits about aliens. On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:06 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You are right, different instruments obviously need different approaches to training. My suggestion was a hint only, to sit down and listen to one note at the time which should be done regardless of instrument and would benefit any amateur who often tries to accomplish too much too soon. Regarding your last question. I'm certainly producing soulless pictures for money. There is no artistic merit in this whatsoever, though I do try to make every picture sing, if not able to do that to some extent I would have no clients. Art in photography ? There are many but I like to mention Cartier-Bresson for many reasons, one being that he strongly denied that he was an artist :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Okay Nabbie, I listened to the Robert Johnson recording and to some of Curtis's recordings on YouTube. This is regarding you one note theory of music here. Granted some instruments tone productions can be a thing that must be practised, sounding a note on a violin is rather complex. But many instruments such as the piano, just about anyone can strike a note and it sounds the same. It is the relationships between the notes that make music not just one note. Beauty in a single note is in the eye of a beholder. Take the saxophone. This was originally intended to be a classical instrument, but for the most part it ended up in jazz, brass bands, on the popular side of the tracks. Classical saxophone playing is generally very smooth and mellow. While jazz players are often rather raspy in tone. You have to consider the style of music being played. If you consider 'beauty of tone' as a criterion, most jazz saxophonists sound like crap next to a good classical player. But the classical player probably could never replicate the style of the jazz players. YouTube is not the best way to hear music. It is compressed and often recopied and recompressed many times. Consumer video recorders have microphones that have distorted frequency response, often boosting the highs, and they are recorded at the camera location, not with optimum placement. The Robert Johnson recording is a solo, and 1936 recording technology loses both deep bass and much of the high frequencies (and an abrasive was added to the shellac of 78rpm records to keep the needle from wearing them down too quickly). His sound on the reproduction on YouTube is dead because it has been processed to remove the noise of that technology. So when you compare the musical sound of different musicians, you have to account for how the recording technology, and the recording engineer affect the final sound. Studio recordings tend to be different than live recordings. The atmosphere is more relaxed in a studio recording, and the need to project to an audience is absent so the sound might be more intimate. A completely acoustic performance without amplification requires projecting to the audience, and such a performance might sound a bit more intense than one in a more intimate setting. Comparing solo guitar and voice with what Curtis does with additional instruments is not a telling comparison. The ability to play slowly is nice, but a pro has to be able to handle rapid passages with ease, and without making serious errors. Now I can play slowly, because I am not that skilled, and have no other choice, lacking technical fluency. Five-year-old children can play the piano far better than I ever will. I am pretty good with single notes too. I can play them loud, soft, and in between. There are kinds of music I like, music I like less, and music I do not like, but I do not consider those performing music I do not like as crude etc., because I have not really investigated their artistry and style; some of these musicians seem to be fantastic in their technical ability. I mostly listen to Western European music, Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven and so forth, so I have a musical bias, I almost never listen to pop, jazz, musicals, rock, or blues. Learning something about the style of a particular kind of musics helps to appreciate more, even if in the end, you do not like it. For example, I do not like rap, but it takes a tremendous amount of rhythmic and verbal and literary skill to produce it. I read somewhere on FFL you were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure there are critics in the audience who
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You are right, different instruments obviously need different approaches to training. My suggestion was a hint only, to sit down and listen to one note at the time which should be done regardless of instrument and would benefit any amateur who often tries to accomplish too much too soon. M: This is called every day of my life Nabbie. Check out Well Worn Blues and Love in Vain even in preview on CDBABY on my Well Worn Blues CD and you will see an example of what you are talking about. The start of Well Worn Blues is being played on a single string diddley bow on a board I made to preserve the tradition of single string instruments from the history of blues. Wont cost you a penny! ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo Regarding your last question. I'm certainly producing soulless pictures for money. There is no artistic merit in this whatsoever, though I do try to make every picture sing, if not able to do that to some extent I would have no clients. Art in photography ? There are many but I like to mention Cartier-Bresson for many reasons, one being that he strongly denied that he was an artist :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Okay Nabbie, I listened to the Robert Johnson recording and to some of Curtis's recordings on YouTube. This is regarding you one note theory of music here. Granted some instruments tone productions can be a thing that must be practised, sounding a note on a violin is rather complex. But many instruments such as the piano, just about anyone can strike a note and it sounds the same. It is the relationships between the notes that make music not just one note. Beauty in a single note is in the eye of a beholder. Take the saxophone. This was originally intended to be a classical instrument, but for the most part it ended up in jazz, brass bands, on the popular side of the tracks. Classical saxophone playing is generally very smooth and mellow. While jazz players are often rather raspy in tone. You have to consider the style of music being played. If you consider 'beauty of tone' as a criterion, most jazz saxophonists sound like crap next to a good classical player. But the classical player probably could never replicate the style of the jazz players. YouTube is not the best way to hear music. It is compressed and often recopied and recompressed many times. Consumer video recorders have microphones that have distorted frequency response, often boosting the highs, and they are recorded at the camera location, not with optimum placement. The Robert Johnson recording is a solo, and 1936 recording technology loses both deep bass and much of the high frequencies (and an abrasive was added to the shellac of 78rpm records to keep the needle from wearing them down too quickly). His sound on the reproduction on YouTube is dead because it has been processed to remove the noise of that technology. So when you compare the musical sound of different musicians, you have to account for how the recording technology, and the recording engineer affect the final sound. Studio recordings tend to be different than live recordings. The atmosphere is more relaxed in a studio recording, and the need to project to an audience is absent so the sound might be more intimate. A completely acoustic performance without amplification requires projecting to the audience, and such a performance might sound a bit more intense than one in a more intimate setting. Comparing solo guitar and voice with what Curtis does with additional instruments is not a telling comparison. The ability to play slowly is nice, but a pro has to be able to handle rapid passages with ease, and without making serious errors. Now I can play slowly, because I am not that skilled, and have no other choice, lacking technical fluency. Five-year-old children can play the piano far better than I ever will. I am pretty good with single notes too. I can play them loud, soft, and in between. There are kinds of music I like, music I like less, and music I do not like, but I do not consider those performing music I do not like as crude etc., because I have not really investigated their artistry and style; some of these musicians seem to be fantastic in their technical ability. I mostly listen to Western European music, Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven and so forth, so I have a musical bias, I almost never listen to pop, jazz, musicals, rock, or blues. Learning something about the style of a particular kind of musics helps to appreciate more, even if in the end, you
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Interesting that Cartier-Bresson spent a lot of time drawing and painting, especially after he retired from photography, so calling himself not an artist is rather peculiar. There are lots of photographers that think photography can be an art. I have always thought of it this way. Take this atmospheric photograph of the Flatiron Building in New York City made in 1904 by Edward Steichen. Just like music, painting, sculpture, photographic images can have compositional and tonal integrity. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. In photography as well as music there are amateurs who are more capable artistically than professionals, but they do not make their living that way. A professional has to produce consistent results day in and day out, they have to be reliable. Bad musicians sing and often play out of tune, so it is less likely they could survive professionally. Photography is so common place, and cameras ubiquitous today, that it is probably difficult for photographers with the run-of-the-mill stuff that just about any idiot can produce photographically today. Most people can tell the difference between a good musician and a bad one, but most of them cannot tell a good photograph from a bad one, in part because photography is a very mechanical profession compared to playing an instrument, which requires some considerable skill to be even barely competent. I think your criticisms of Curtis's ability is far off the mark. Perhaps you are discombobulated by his intellect, which is certainly more powerful than yours or mine. This can be very annoying if you have a strong emotional attachment to TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You are right, different instruments obviously need different approaches to training. My suggestion was a hint only, to sit down and listen to one note at the time which should be done regardless of instrument and would benefit any amateur who often tries to accomplish too much too soon. M: This is called every day of my life Nabbie. Check out Well Worn Blues and Love in Vain even in preview on CDBABY on my Well Worn Blues CD and you will see an example of what you are talking about. The start of Well Worn Blues is being played on a single string diddley bow on a board I made to preserve the tradition of single string instruments from the history of blues. Wont cost you a penny! ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo Regarding your last question. I'm certainly producing soulless pictures for money. There is no artistic merit in this whatsoever, though I do try to make every picture sing, if not able to do that to some extent I would have no clients. Art in photography ? There are many but I like to mention Cartier-Bresson for many reasons, one being that he strongly denied that he was an artist :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Okay Nabbie, I listened to the Robert Johnson recording and to some of Curtis's recordings on YouTube. This is regarding you one note theory of music here. Granted some instruments tone productions can be a thing that must be practised, sounding a note on a violin is rather complex. But many instruments such as the piano, just about anyone can strike a note and it sounds the same. It is the relationships between the notes that make music not just one note. Beauty in a single note is in the eye of a beholder. Take the saxophone. This was originally intended to be a classical instrument, but for the most part it ended up in jazz, brass bands, on the popular side of the tracks. Classical saxophone playing is generally very smooth and mellow. While jazz players are often rather raspy in tone. You have to consider the style of music being played. If you consider 'beauty of tone' as a criterion, most jazz saxophonists sound like crap next to a good classical player. But the classical player probably could never replicate the style of the jazz players. YouTube is not the best way to hear music. It is compressed and often recopied and recompressed many times. Consumer video recorders have microphones that have distorted frequency response, often boosting the highs, and they are recorded at the camera location, not with optimum placement. The Robert Johnson recording is a solo, and 1936 recording technology loses both deep bass and much of the high frequencies (and an abrasive was added to the shellac of 78rpm records to keep the needle from wearing them down too quickly). His sound on
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
When I was trying to make a living doing art, I met real artists who were so artistically superior that I was ashamed to present my stuff -- and yet most could not make a living selling their art. At one time I was in three galleries and never came close to selling enough to cut it. I met one guy who had major works in many museums and still couldn't sell enough to quit his day job. And the gallery owners are all about the money. I had one tell me, as he looked at one of my canvases, Oh, I couldn't sell this. Purple never sells. See? Try to use purple after that. The true artist is up against such a wall of ignorance. Each one is like a preacher on a stump in the public square -- speaking an unknown dialect.
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I appreciate your points, thanks for making them, and agree with them as factors in what is preserved in recorded music, especially what is captured by videos and then compressed on Youtube. But I am not sure this level of acoustic reproduction is what Nabbie is objecting to in my music. I think it is the style of what he calls screaming but which is technically called belting that is part of what he doesn't like. Since I spent a year with a classical singing teacher to refine this sound I consider it an important part of my acoustic blues preservation work. There was an open throated style that guys like Charley Patton and Son House had that most people who perform blues don't study these days. It requires you to find your own relaxed singing voice for maximum volume in outdoor settings and is an important part of my busking performances. It allows me to sustain high volume for hours It is not a modern style. It will not be everyone's favorite since it is different from the sound people used on mikes later on. (Howlin Wolf is an exception.) We don't have a record of how Robert sounded in this kind of setting, we only have him right next to a mike. But in context, it turns outdoor performance into a high paying gig. In recording sessions I mostly use a different range of my voice because it is almost impossible to recreate the conditions of outdoor performance inside. His other objections to Look on Yonder Wall by Elmore James being too fast would look silly if compared to the original rather than a completely different artist with a different song. My push back on his concept of what art is has similarities to what I object to in his other interests in subjectively based knowledge claims. Everyone wants to have their opinion taken as a fact but I don't believe the world really works that way. And believing that one's personal standards and preferences make one able to declare one person's work art and another's, NOT art has been and continues to be one of the worst human ideas for the arts ever. Guys like Nabbie were the first to condemn the acoustic blues as worthless back in the day. It was only a handful of preservationists who ignored that view and saved the blues for us today. It was literally being thrown out 78 by 78 record. Now Robert Johnson is still regarded as a primitive folk musician by many musical academics. Thanks for continuing the rap. Your kind intentions are greatly appreciated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Okay Nabbie, I listened to the Robert Johnson recording and to some of Curtis's recordings on YouTube. This is regarding you one note theory of music here. Granted some instruments tone productions can be a thing that must be practised, sounding a note on a violin is rather complex. But many instruments such as the piano, just about anyone can strike a note and it sounds the same. It is the relationships between the notes that make music not just one note. Beauty in a single note is in the eye of a beholder. Take the saxophone. This was originally intended to be a classical instrument, but for the most part it ended up in jazz, brass bands, on the popular side of the tracks. Classical saxophone playing is generally very smooth and mellow. While jazz players are often rather raspy in tone. You have to consider the style of music being played. If you consider 'beauty of tone' as a criterion, most jazz saxophonists sound like crap next to a good classical player. But the classical player probably could never replicate the style of the jazz players. YouTube is not the best way to hear music. It is compressed and often recopied and recompressed many times. Consumer video recorders have microphones that have distorted frequency response, often boosting the highs, and they are recorded at the camera location, not with optimum placement. The Robert Johnson recording is a solo, and 1936 recording technology loses both deep bass and much of the high frequencies (and an abrasive was added to the shellac of 78rpm records to keep the needle from wearing them down too quickly). His sound on the reproduction on YouTube is dead because it has been processed to remove the noise of that technology. So when you compare the musical sound of different musicians, you have to account for how the recording technology, and the recording engineer affect the final sound. Studio recordings tend to be different than live recordings. The atmosphere is more relaxed in a studio recording, and the need to project to an audience is absent so the sound might be more intimate. A completely acoustic performance without amplification requires projecting to the audience, and such a performance might sound a bit more intense than one in a more intimate setting. Comparing solo guitar and voice with what Curtis does with additional instruments is not a telling comparison. The ability to play slowly is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
At least you can avoid purple to fit in. I've had booking agents tell me that my act is a harder sell because I am white! Skin melanin as artistic street cred, who knew? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When I was trying to make a living doing art, I met real artists who were so artistically superior that I was ashamed to present my stuff -- and yet most could not make a living selling their art. At one time I was in three galleries and never came close to selling enough to cut it. I met one guy who had major works in many museums and still couldn't sell enough to quit his day job. And the gallery owners are all about the money. I had one tell me, as he looked at one of my canvases, Oh, I couldn't sell this. Purple never sells. See? Try to use purple after that. The true artist is up against such a wall of ignorance. Each one is like a preacher on a stump in the public square -- speaking an unknown dialect.
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So how is the music biz these days? I've been hearing that old musicians I know and used to work with in the Seattle area are having a tough time getting work and they're exceptional players (some played with famous folk). I'm glad that I stopped depending on music for a living back in the late 80s. Writing software to me was like writing music. Unfortunately there is not much work for old programmers these days either. On 10/28/2014 11:20 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: At least you can avoid purple to fit in. I've had booking agents tell me that my act is a harder sell because I am white! Skin melanin as artistic street cred, who knew? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When I was trying to make a living doing art, I met real artists who were so artistically superior that I was ashamed to present my stuff -- and yet most could not make a living selling their art. At one time I was in three galleries and never came close to selling enough to cut it. I met one guy who had major works in many museums and still couldn't sell enough to quit his day job. And the gallery owners are all about the money. I had one tell me, as he looked at one of my canvases, Oh, I couldn't sell this. Purple never sells. See? Try to use purple after that. The true artist is up against such a wall of ignorance. Each one is like a preacher on a stump in the public square -- speaking an unknown dialect.
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Excellent post, on all levels. I reply mainly to point out how well you nailed it in those last two sentences... From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Interesting that Cartier-Bresson spent a lot of time drawing and painting, especially after he retired from photography, so calling himself not an artist is rather peculiar. There are lots of photographers that think photography can be an art. I have always thought of it this way. Take this atmospheric photograph of the Flatiron Building in New York City made in 1904 by Edward Steichen. Just like music, painting, sculpture, photographic images can have compositional and tonal integrity. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. In photography as well as music there are amateurs who are more capable artistically than professionals, but they do not make their living that way. A professional has to produce consistent results day in and day out, they have to be reliable. Bad musicians sing and often play out of tune, so it is less likely they could survive professionally. Photography is so common place, and cameras ubiquitous today, that it is probably difficult for photographers with the run-of-the-mill stuff that just about any idiot can produce photographically today. Most people can tell the difference between a good musician and a bad one, but most of them cannot tell a good photograph from a bad one, in part because photography is a very mechanical profession compared to playing an instrument, which requires some considerable skill to be even barely competent. I think your criticisms of Curtis's ability is far off the mark. Perhaps you are discombobulated by his intellect, which is certainly more powerful than yours or mine. This can be very annoying if you have a strong emotional attachment to TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You are right, different instruments obviously need different approaches to training. My suggestion was a hint only, to sit down and listen to one note at the time which should be done regardless of instrument and would benefit any amateur who often tries to accomplish too much too soon. M: This is called every day of my life Nabbie. Check out Well Worn Blues and Love in Vain even in preview on CDBABY on my Well Worn Blues CD and you will see an example of what you are talking about. The start of Well Worn Blues is being played on a single string diddley bow on a board I made to preserve the tradition of single string instruments from the history of blues. Wont cost you a penny! ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.comPreview by Yahoo Regarding your last question. I'm certainly producing soulless pictures for money. There is no artistic merit in this whatsoever, though I do try to make every picture sing, if not able to do that to some extent I would have no clients. Art in photography ? There are many but I like to mention Cartier-Bresson for many reasons, one being that he strongly denied that he was an artist :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Okay Nabbie, I listened to the Robert Johnson recording and to some of Curtis's recordings on YouTube. This is regarding you one note theory of music here. Granted some instruments tone productions can be a thing that must be practised, sounding a note on a violin is rather complex. But many instruments such as the piano, just about anyone can strike a note and it sounds the same. It is the relationships between the notes that make music not just one note. Beauty in a single note is in the eye of a beholder. Take the saxophone. This was originally intended to be a classical instrument, but for the most part it ended up in jazz, brass bands, on the popular side of the tracks. Classical saxophone playing is generally very smooth and mellow. While jazz players are often rather raspy in tone. You have to consider the style of music being played. If you consider 'beauty of tone' as a criterion, most jazz saxophonists sound like crap next to a good classical player. But the classical player probably could never replicate the style of the jazz players. YouTube is not the best way to hear music. It is compressed and often recopied and recompressed many times. Consumer video recorders have microphones that have distorted frequency response, often boosting the highs, and they are recorded at the camera location, not with optimum placement. The Robert Johnson recording
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Probably depends on what ecological niche you occupy. You were much more diverse in your talents than I am musically, so your opportunities would be so different. My stubbornness to only play acoustic blues as a solo act kinda forced me into certain directions to make it work. I rely on a few agents in different states for the majority of my work. Since your day the tyranny of the record labels is replaced by the tyranny of social media which opens up the field on one hand and shuts out the money on another. There is always a phenom in the Philippines who is more amazing than whatever we do! And people know about that little F'er now and he will work practically for fee! (That sounds like the programming world too right!) But indie artists can now self produce their own shit, find a niche market and roll with it. That is kind of my world. I still play an eclectic array of gigs in any week which I find stimulating and challenging both. Same old formula as in your day probably, keep your overhead low, save when the money is pouring in and don't let the business end of the business crush your personal growth in areas less commercial. I know you toured but I think you were also a session guy right? That is a different world from what I do. I know so many great musicians who went into computers and found it very satisfying, playing gigs on the side. In many ways the day job is a huge boon for focusing on your personal musical development. I recently expanded my world by adding African musical instruments into my show so I can get paid to do what I love learning about. I am exploring the roots of blues in specific African countries and music style that came to the New World in the various waves of slave ships. Cuba is so much ore pivotal than I had realized. But here is a chuckle from your days gone by: Person calls you for a private party gig. Here is what they want, play classical during cocktails, soft rock and oldies during dinner, entertain the toddlers while the parents set up the dance floor, then play every song they ever heard JUST LIKE ON THE RECORD. And BTW, you can rap too right because Uncle Whoever wrote a cute rap for the birthday girl. And after a prolonged fist fight haggle over your pittance of a fee, you get to the gig and it is a freak'n mansion with the asshole who chiseled you out of your regular fee lighting his cigars with hundred dollar bills. On the plus side he hot 3rd wife corners you in the bathroom before you leave. Gotta keep our eye on the little positives right brother! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So how is the music biz these days? I've been hearing that old musicians I know and used to work with in the Seattle area are having a tough time getting work and they're exceptional players (some played with famous folk). I'm glad that I stopped depending on music for a living back in the late 80s. Writing software to me was like writing music. Unfortunately there is not much work for old programmers these days either. On 10/28/2014 11:20 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: At least you can avoid purple to fit in. I've had booking agents tell me that my act is a harder sell because I am white! Skin melanin as artistic street cred, who knew? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When I was trying to make a living doing art, I met real artists who were so artistically superior that I was ashamed to present my stuff -- and yet most could not make a living selling their art. At one time I was in three galleries and never came close to selling enough to cut it. I met one guy who had major works in many museums and still couldn't sell enough to quit his day job. And the gallery owners are all about the money. I had one tell me, as he looked at one of my canvases, Oh, I couldn't sell this. Purple never sells. See? Try to use purple after that. The true artist is up against such a wall of ignorance. Each one is like a preacher on a stump in the public square -- speaking an unknown dialect.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/27/2014 12:38 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I read somewhere on FFL you were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure there are critics in the audience who would be glad to evaluate your artistic ability. I've been a subscriber to this group for years and I've never been able to get anyone to show their work, except for a few posted photos by Ann, a few animations by Barry2, and a few sunset photos by Jim. I've always assumed the only professional performer on this list was Curtis. Rita and I both went to art school and have worked as professionals for most of out lives as graphic artists or designers. We look forward to seeing your work. Photograph by Richard J. Williams, 2013 Very nice. I like taking photos when I'm strolling about. But I aint no pro, so don't be getting harsh on me:
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Wow Richard, those are gorgeous. I'll bet in print they are even better. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/27/2014 12:38 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I read somewhere on FFL you were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure there are critics in the audience who would be glad to evaluate your artistic ability. I've been a subscriber to this group for years and I've never been able to get anyone to show their work, except for a few posted photos by Ann, a few animations by Barry2, and a few sunset photos by Jim. I've always assumed the only professional performer on this list was Curtis. Rita and I both went to art school and have worked as professionals for most of out lives as graphic artists or designers. We look forward to seeing your work. Photograph by Richard J. Williams, 2013 Very nice. I like taking photos when I'm strolling about. But I aint no pro, so don't be getting harsh on me:
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Wow Richard, those are gorgeous. I'll bet in print they are even better. Oops, I thought that would happen. Should have separated the four at the bottom and put my name on, just in case ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/27/2014 12:38 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I read somewhere on FFL you were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure there are critics in the audience who would be glad to evaluate your artistic ability. I've been a subscriber to this group for years and I've never been able to get anyone to show their work, except for a few posted photos by Ann, a few animations by Barry2, and a few sunset photos by Jim. I've always assumed the only professional performer on this list was Curtis. Rita and I both went to art school and have worked as professionals for most of out lives as graphic artists or designers. We look forward to seeing your work. Photograph by Richard J. Williams, 2013 Very nice. I like taking photos when I'm strolling about. But I aint no pro, so don't be getting harsh on me:
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Thanks for clearing that up. All beautiful and I guess if I had any smarts I would have noticed the style difference. Did you take the cloudy shot in black and white or desaturate it in Photoshop? I always wonder which is better. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Wow Richard, those are gorgeous. I'll bet in print they are even better. Oops, I thought that would happen. Should have separated the four at the bottom and put my name on, just in case ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/27/2014 12:38 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I read somewhere on FFL you were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure there are critics in the audience who would be glad to evaluate your artistic ability. I've been a subscriber to this group for years and I've never been able to get anyone to show their work, except for a few posted photos by Ann, a few animations by Barry2, and a few sunset photos by Jim. I've always assumed the only professional performer on this list was Curtis. Rita and I both went to art school and have worked as professionals for most of out lives as graphic artists or designers. We look forward to seeing your work. Photograph by Richard J. Williams, 2013 Very nice. I like taking photos when I'm strolling about. But I aint no pro, so don't be getting harsh on me:
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That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time; Claiming to be an artist just because others are willing to pay for it is just foolish and comes from an ego out of control. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Mittwoch aus Licht - Mittwochs-Gruß The greeting of the opera WEDNESDAY from LIGHT. The Wednesday Greeting consists of the electronic music from the fourth s... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Interesting that Cartier-Bresson spent a lot of time drawing and painting, especially after he retired from photography, so calling himself not an artist is rather peculiar. There are lots of photographers that think photography can be an art. I have always thought of it this way. Take this atmospheric photograph of the Flatiron Building in New York City made in 1904 by Edward Steichen. Just like music, painting, sculpture, photographic images can have compositional and tonal integrity. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. In photography as well as music there are amateurs who are more capable artistically than professionals, but they do not make their living that way. A professional has to produce consistent results day in and day out, they have to be reliable. Bad musicians sing and often play out of tune, so it is less likely they could survive professionally. Photography is so common place, and cameras ubiquitous today, that it is probably difficult for photographers with the run-of-the-mill stuff that just about any idiot can produce photographically today. Most people can tell the difference between a good musician and a bad one, but most of them cannot tell a good photograph from a bad one, in part because photography is a very mechanical profession compared to playing an instrument, which requires some considerable skill to be even barely competent. I think your criticisms of Curtis's ability is far off the mark. Perhaps you are discombobulated by his intellect, which is certainly more powerful than yours or mine. This can be very annoying if you have a strong emotional attachment to TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You are right, different instruments obviously need different approaches to training. My suggestion was a hint only, to sit down and listen to one note at the time which should be done regardless of instrument and would benefit any amateur who often tries to accomplish too much too soon. M: This is called every day of my life Nabbie. Check out Well Worn Blues and Love in Vain even in preview on CDBABY on my Well Worn Blues CD and you will see an example of what you are talking about. The start of Well Worn Blues is being played on a single string diddley bow on a board I made to preserve the tradition of single string instruments from the history of blues. Wont cost you a penny! ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Click to listen at CDBaby View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 Preview by Yahoo Regarding your last question. I'm certainly producing soulless pictures for money. There is no artistic merit in this whatsoever, though I do try to make every picture sing, if not able to do that to some extent I would have no clients. Art in photography ? There are many but I like to mention Cartier-Bresson for many reasons, one being that he strongly denied that he was an artist :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Okay Nabbie, I listened to the Robert Johnson recording and to some of Curtis's recordings on YouTube. This is regarding you one note theory of music here. Granted some instruments tone productions can be a
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Thanks, I was curious to see how things were going in your venue. From what I've seen and heard you do that venue quite well. Yes there is software development outsourcing to the Philippines too. BTW, I've also read that is a good place to make your retirement fund stretch. Studio work came because the leader of the jazz trio I played in owned part interest in a recording studio so we got the sessions there. Then there was some other recording work that came from that. It was very political venue. I was surprised that my old friends didn't find some sidelines for themselves too. One does do graphic arts which keeps him out of bankruptcy. These guys really liked to perform though and I was more into writing and arranging. Another friend I worked with in the software industry who was a semi-pro musician took up banjo a few years ago and is now writing some banjo instruction methods for Hal Leonard. His gig in the software industry was technical writer. I played a few of those weird casuals. One was a wedding reception catered by one of the premier restaurateurs of Seattle, Victor Rosselini, who came over as we were playing and asked us to go through the food line because no one was eating! Another gig was in the high rent Broadmore district of Seattle where a neurotic trophy wife was trowing a Christmas party for the who's who of the city. She was upset because we were dressed too casually. But the keyboard player soon found her favorite tune and every time she passed by broke into it giving her all smiles. On our break her husband hung out with us because she was driving him nuts! On 10/28/2014 03:24 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Probably depends on what ecological niche you occupy. You were much more diverse in your talents than I am musically, so your opportunities would be so different. My stubbornness to only play acoustic blues as a solo act kinda forced me into certain directions to make it work. I rely on a few agents in different states for the majority of my work. Since your day the tyranny of the record labels is replaced by the tyranny of social media which opens up the field on one hand and shuts out the money on another. There is always a phenom in the Philippines who is more amazing than whatever we do! And people know about that little F'er now and he will work practically for fee! (That sounds like the programming world too right!) But indie artists can now self produce their own shit, find a niche market and roll with it. That is kind of my world. I still play an eclectic array of gigs in any week which I find stimulating and challenging both. Same old formula as in your day probably, keep your overhead low, save when the money is pouring in and don't let the business end of the business crush your personal growth in areas less commercial. I know you toured but I think you were also a session guy right? That is a different world from what I do. I know so many great musicians who went into computers and found it very satisfying, playing gigs on the side. In many ways the day job is a huge boon for focusing on your personal musical development. I recently expanded my world by adding African musical instruments into my show so I can get paid to do what I love learning about. I am exploring the roots of blues in specific African countries and music style that came to the New World in the various waves of slave ships. Cuba is so much ore pivotal than I had realized. But here is a chuckle from your days gone by: Person calls you for a private party gig. Here is what they want, play classical during cocktails, soft rock and oldies during dinner, entertain the toddlers while the parents set up the dance floor, then play every song they ever heard JUST LIKE ON THE RECORD. And BTW, you can rap too right because Uncle Whoever wrote a cute rap for the birthday girl. And after a prolonged fist fight haggle over your pittance of a fee, you get to the gig and it is a freak'n mansion with the asshole who chiseled you out of your regular fee lighting his cigars with hundred dollar bills. On the plus side he hot 3rd wife corners you in the bathroom before you leave. Gotta keep our eye on the little positives right brother! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : So how is the music biz these days? I've been hearing that old musicians I know and used to work with in the Seattle area are having a tough time getting work and they're exceptional players (some played with famous folk). I'm glad that I stopped depending on music for a living back in the late 80s. Writing software to me was like writing music. Unfortunately there is not much work for old programmers these days either. On 10/28/2014 11:20 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: At least you can avoid purple to fit in. I've had booking agents tell me that my
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On 10/28/2014 5:30 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Wow Richard, those are gorgeous. Which one? I'll bet in print they are even better. Now I'm confused. There are no prints - I am a painter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/27/2014 12:38 PM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I read somewhere on FFL you were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure there are critics in the audience who would be glad to evaluate your artistic ability. /I've been a subscriber to this group for years and I've never been able to get anyone to show their work, except for a few posted photos by Ann, a few animations by Barry2, and a few sunset photos by Jim. I've always assumed the only professional performer on this list was Curtis. //Rita and I both went to art school and have worked as professionals for most of out lives as graphic artists or designers. We look forward to seeing your work. / /Photograph by Richard J. Williams, 2013/ Very nice. I like taking photos when I'm strolling about. But I aint no pro, so don't be getting harsh on me:
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : That's what Cartier-Bresson said of his work during numerous interviews. Ofcourse his work is artistic, he simply had other and higher ideas about what art is, ideas he tried to fulfill late in life, nothing of which came close to much of what he produced with a camera. The work of Edward Steichen is wonderful and is reaching astronomical prices these days. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. If he makes a living from it he obviously is a professional, is's his claim that he creates art that piss me off. In my ears it's mostly noise and believe me, I like much music that by many is considered noise or weird Collection of sounds. Again, and for the last time; Claiming to be an artist just because others are willing to pay for it is just foolish and comes from an ego out of control. M: No Nabbie, I don't say I am an artist because I make my total living from it, that is what makes me a professional musician. The word artist is my job description in the agencies who get me business as an artist on their roster of artists who offer serves in the arts to people who want to hire artists to perform art in artistic venues. The ego out of control is the person who believes that his subjective opinion about what art he prefers should be the deciding factor in using a word that relates to the product created by people in the arts. You are imposing subjective snob standards because no one told you that you are not in charge of what is and is not, art. Consider this your notice. Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Karlheinz Stockhausen - Mittwochs-Gruß http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Mittwoch aus Licht - Mittwochs-Gruß The greeting of the opera WEDNESDAY from LIGHT. The Wednesday Greeting consists of the electronic music from the fourth s... View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-RKm12ZI Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Interesting that Cartier-Bresson spent a lot of time drawing and painting, especially after he retired from photography, so calling himself not an artist is rather peculiar. There are lots of photographers that think photography can be an art. I have always thought of it this way. Take this atmospheric photograph of the Flatiron Building in New York City made in 1904 by Edward Steichen. Just like music, painting, sculpture, photographic images can have compositional and tonal integrity. Calling Curtis an amateur musician is just like calling yourself a non-professional photographer. In photography as well as music there are amateurs who are more capable artistically than professionals, but they do not make their living that way. A professional has to produce consistent results day in and day out, they have to be reliable. Bad musicians sing and often play out of tune, so it is less likely they could survive professionally. Photography is so common place, and cameras ubiquitous today, that it is probably difficult for photographers with the run-of-the-mill stuff that just about any idiot can produce photographically today. Most people can tell the difference between a good musician and a bad one, but most of them cannot tell a good photograph from a bad one, in part because photography is a very mechanical profession compared to playing an instrument, which requires some considerable skill to be even barely competent. I think your criticisms of Curtis's ability is far off the mark. Perhaps you are discombobulated by his intellect, which is certainly more powerful than yours or mine. This can be very annoying if you have a strong emotional attachment to TM. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You are right, different instruments obviously need different approaches to training. My suggestion was a hint only, to sit down and listen to one note at the time which should be done regardless of instrument and would benefit any amateur who often tries to accomplish too much too soon. M: This is called every day of my life Nabbie. Check out Well Worn Blues and Love in Vain even in preview on CDBABY on my Well Worn Blues CD and you will see an example of what you are talking about. The start of Well Worn Blues is being played on a single string diddley bow on a board I made to preserve the tradition of single string instruments from the history of blues. Wont cost you a penny! ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues2 ♫ Well Worn Blues - Curtis Blues. Listen @cdbaby
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M: I feel lucky that I was able to make the jump into educational entertainment because, like you, I have musician friends still banging the club circuit and living off of girlfriends and wives. In many ways I should thank Maharishi because it was because of the presentation skills I developed as a TM teacher that made me confident to go into teaching performances. So many musicians would rather work at Starbucks than speak in front of a group in between songs. Yea, Mahesh! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Thanks, I was curious to see how things were going in your venue. From what I've seen and heard you do that venue quite well. Yes there is software development outsourcing to the Philippines too. BTW, I've also read that is a good place to make your retirement fund stretch. Studio work came because the leader of the jazz trio I played in owned part interest in a recording studio so we got the sessions there. Then there was some other recording work that came from that. It was very political venue. I was surprised that my old friends didn't find some sidelines for themselves too. One does do graphic arts which keeps him out of bankruptcy. These guys really liked to perform though and I was more into writing and arranging. Another friend I worked with in the software industry who was a semi-pro musician took up banjo a few years ago and is now writing some banjo instruction methods for Hal Leonard. His gig in the software industry was technical writer. I played a few of those weird casuals. One was a wedding reception catered by one of the premier restaurateurs of Seattle, Victor Rosselini, who came over as we were playing and asked us to go through the food line because no one was eating! Another gig was in the high rent Broadmore district of Seattle where a neurotic trophy wife was trowing a Christmas party for the who's who of the city. She was upset because we were dressed too casually. But the keyboard player soon found her favorite tune and every time she passed by broke into it giving her all smiles. On our break her husband hung out with us because she was driving him nuts! On 10/28/2014 03:24 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Probably depends on what ecological niche you occupy. You were much more diverse in your talents than I am musically, so your opportunities would be so different. My stubbornness to only play acoustic blues as a solo act kinda forced me into certain directions to make it work. I rely on a few agents in different states for the majority of my work. Since your day the tyranny of the record labels is replaced by the tyranny of social media which opens up the field on one hand and shuts out the money on another. There is always a phenom in the Philippines who is more amazing than whatever we do! And people know about that little F'er now and he will work practically for fee! (That sounds like the programming world too right!) But indie artists can now self produce their own shit, find a niche market and roll with it. That is kind of my world. I still play an eclectic array of gigs in any week which I find stimulating and challenging both. Same old formula as in your day probably, keep your overhead low, save when the money is pouring in and don't let the business end of the business crush your personal growth in areas less commercial. I know you toured but I think you were also a session guy right? That is a different world from what I do. I know so many great musicians who went into computers and found it very satisfying, playing gigs on the side. In many ways the day job is a huge boon for focusing on your personal musical development. I recently expanded my world by adding African musical instruments into my show so I can get paid to do what I love learning about. I am exploring the roots of blues in specific African countries and music style that came to the New World in the various waves of slave ships. Cuba is so much ore pivotal than I had realized. But here is a chuckle from your days gone by: Person calls you for a private party gig. Here is what they want, play classical during cocktails, soft rock and oldies during dinner, entertain the toddlers while the parents set up the dance floor, then play every song they ever heard JUST LIKE ON THE RECORD. And BTW, you can rap too right because Uncle Whoever wrote a cute rap for the birthday girl. And after a prolonged fist fight haggle over your pittance of a fee, you get to the gig and it is a freak'n mansion with the asshole who chiseled you out of your regular fee lighting his cigars with hundred dollar bills. On the plus side he hot 3rd wife corners you in the bathroom before you leave. Gotta keep our eye on the little positives right brother! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@...
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For almost the same reason I had to play emcee for some of the groups I played in during the 1980s because the other musicians weren't good at it. But I was the first person to pass the intro lecture part of TTC. One of the course leaders asked how I got to such an advanced state and that was because (apparently like no one else there) had a public speaking class in high school. That class was great fun. I gave a talk on capital punishment and brought in one of my cymbals and hit it to open the talk as the class was gabbing amongst themselves. Then I opened with if you think that was shocking and went into descriptions of different methods of capital punishment including the popular Indian one of having an elephant stomp on the prisoner's head. On 10/28/2014 06:33 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: M: I feel lucky that I was able to make the jump into educational entertainment because, like you, I have musician friends still banging the club circuit and living off of girlfriends and wives. In many ways I should thank Maharishi because it was because of the presentation skills I developed as a TM teacher that made me confident to go into teaching performances. So many musicians would rather work at Starbucks than speak in front of a group in between songs. Yea, Mahesh! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Thanks, I was curious to see how things were going in your venue. From what I've seen and heard you do that venue quite well. Yes there is software development outsourcing to the Philippines too. BTW, I've also read that is a good place to make your retirement fund stretch. Studio work came because the leader of the jazz trio I played in owned part interest in a recording studio so we got the sessions there. Then there was some other recording work that came from that. It was very political venue. I was surprised that my old friends didn't find some sidelines for themselves too. One does do graphic arts which keeps him out of bankruptcy. These guys really liked to perform though and I was more into writing and arranging. Another friend I worked with in the software industry who was a semi-pro musician took up banjo a few years ago and is now writing some banjo instruction methods for Hal Leonard. His gig in the software industry was technical writer. I played a few of those weird casuals. One was a wedding reception catered by one of the premier restaurateurs of Seattle, Victor Rosselini, who came over as we were playing and asked us to go through the food line because no one was eating! Another gig was in the high rent Broadmore district of Seattle where a neurotic trophy wife was trowing a Christmas party for the who's who of the city. She was upset because we were dressed too casually. But the keyboard player soon found her favorite tune and every time she passed by broke into it giving her all smiles. On our break her husband hung out with us because she was driving him nuts! On 10/28/2014 03:24 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Probably depends on what ecological niche you occupy. You were much more diverse in your talents than I am musically, so your opportunities would be so different. My stubbornness to only play acoustic blues as a solo act kinda forced me into certain directions to make it work. I rely on a few agents in different states for the majority of my work. Since your day the tyranny of the record labels is replaced by the tyranny of social media which opens up the field on one hand and shuts out the money on another. There is always a phenom in the Philippines who is more amazing than whatever we do! And people know about that little F'er now and he will work practically for fee! (That sounds like the programming world too right!) But indie artists can now self produce their own shit, find a niche market and roll with it. That is kind of my world. I still play an eclectic array of gigs in any week which I find stimulating and challenging both. Same old formula as in your day probably, keep your overhead low, save when the money is pouring in and don't let the business end of the business crush your personal growth in areas less commercial. I know you toured but I think you were also a session guy right? That is a different world from what I do. I know so many great musicians who went into computers and found it very satisfying, playing gigs on the side. In many ways the day job is a huge boon for focusing on your personal musical development. I recently expanded my world by adding African musical instruments into my show so I can get paid to do what I love learning about. I am exploring the roots of blues in specific African countries and music style that came to the New World in the various waves of slave
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My best friend in high school was a gifted artist, and the best ceramicist in the school. He could center the clay immediately, make thin walls, lips, lids with ease, while I would struggle with each of those things. I am still in awe of artists who are able to draw or create art with ease. I may have told this story before. In the fifth grade, there was a kid, Chris Hagelin, who even at that age was a gifted artist. He died of a brain hemorrhage that summer. I remember a picture of the headless horseman he made. At the St. Louis Zoo, there is a fountain made of animal figures our sixth grade class in remembrance of him. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : When I was trying to make a living doing art, I met real artists who were so artistically superior that I was ashamed to present my stuff -- and yet most could not make a living selling their art. At one time I was in three galleries and never came close to selling enough to cut it. I met one guy who had major works in many museums and still couldn't sell enough to quit his day job. And the gallery owners are all about the money. I had one tell me, as he looked at one of my canvases, Oh, I couldn't sell this. Purple never sells. See? Try to use purple after that. The true artist is up against such a wall of ignorance. Each one is like a preacher on a stump in the public square -- speaking an unknown dialect.
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Great story. I think that is why I have gravitated toward groups of teaching artists in the last 7 years. They not only can perform or create art, but they enjoy discussing it. It is like they have both sides of their brain hooked up. I'm sure you have been around musicians with such an anti-intellectual bias it is uncomfortable to talk with them, even after performing with them. I guess jazz guys might be more intellectual, but for the most part blues guys are often suspicious of people who read too many books! Being able to present to people is skill that opens up so many doors. I also had a public speaking course in high school and it was a game changer for my whole life, in and out of he movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : For almost the same reason I had to play emcee for some of the groups I played in during the 1980s because the other musicians weren't good at it. But I was the first person to pass the intro lecture part of TTC. One of the course leaders asked how I got to such an advanced state and that was because (apparently like no one else there) had a public speaking class in high school. That class was great fun. I gave a talk on capital punishment and brought in one of my cymbals and hit it to open the talk as the class was gabbing amongst themselves. Then I opened with if you think that was shocking and went into descriptions of different methods of capital punishment including the popular Indian one of having an elephant stomp on the prisoner's head. On 10/28/2014 06:33 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: M: I feel lucky that I was able to make the jump into educational entertainment because, like you, I have musician friends still banging the club circuit and living off of girlfriends and wives. In many ways I should thank Maharishi because it was because of the presentation skills I developed as a TM teacher that made me confident to go into teaching performances. So many musicians would rather work at Starbucks than speak in front of a group in between songs. Yea, Mahesh! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Thanks, I was curious to see how things were going in your venue. From what I've seen and heard you do that venue quite well. Yes there is software development outsourcing to the Philippines too. BTW, I've also read that is a good place to make your retirement fund stretch. Studio work came because the leader of the jazz trio I played in owned part interest in a recording studio so we got the sessions there. Then there was some other recording work that came from that. It was very political venue. I was surprised that my old friends didn't find some sidelines for themselves too. One does do graphic arts which keeps him out of bankruptcy. These guys really liked to perform though and I was more into writing and arranging. Another friend I worked with in the software industry who was a semi-pro musician took up banjo a few years ago and is now writing some banjo instruction methods for Hal Leonard. His gig in the software industry was technical writer. I played a few of those weird casuals. One was a wedding reception catered by one of the premier restaurateurs of Seattle, Victor Rosselini, who came over as we were playing and asked us to go through the food line because no one was eating! Another gig was in the high rent Broadmore district of Seattle where a neurotic trophy wife was trowing a Christmas party for the who's who of the city. She was upset because we were dressed too casually. But the keyboard player soon found her favorite tune and every time she passed by broke into it giving her all smiles. On our break her husband hung out with us because she was driving him nuts! On 10/28/2014 03:24 PM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Probably depends on what ecological niche you occupy. You were much more diverse in your talents than I am musically, so your opportunities would be so different. My stubbornness to only play acoustic blues as a solo act kinda forced me into certain directions to make it work. I rely on a few agents in different states for the majority of my work. Since your day the tyranny of the record labels is replaced by the tyranny of social media which opens up the field on one hand and shuts out the money on another. There is always a phenom in the Philippines who is more amazing than whatever we do! And people know about that little F'er now and he will work practically for fee! (That sounds like the programming world too right!) But indie artists can now self produce their own shit, find a niche market and roll with it. That is kind of my world. I still play an eclectic array of gigs in any week which I find stimulating and challenging both. Same old
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These are really nice photos here. The composition is good. This is one of the first things poor photography lacks. These are also technically competent, which is fortunately much easier to achieve these days. I have put up a few snapshots occasionally but I tend to delete them after a while. I don't like things circulating on the Internet though for most of the things I have posted it probably would not matter that much. When I was younger I used black and white film, but now digital cameras shoot everything in colour even though some have black and white settings, it is better to convert digital colour to black and white after the fact when one has more control. Photographers should study art, and old paintings from all schools in my opinion. Composition is primarily a function of luminance forms which is basically black and white, masses of light and dark and grey. Colour is a secondary consideration in composition, like the icing on a well made cake. One of the main differences between photographers with lousy compositional skills is the difference between object-oriented or content oriented photography and image or field or framing oriented photography. In the former the 'shooter' focuses on some object they find interesting or a patch of colour. In the latter the photographer arranges all the elements of the scene in the bounding frame of the camera, he/she is not pointing at a specific object (even though there may be a primary subject, such as a portrait of a person), rather the relationship between the elements in the scene are consciously photographed, and this is a function of basic forms. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Thanks for clearing that up. All beautiful and I guess if I had any smarts I would have noticed the style difference. Did you take the cloudy shot in black and white or desaturate it in Photoshop? I always wonder which is better. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Wow Richard, those are gorgeous. I'll bet in print they are even better. Oops, I thought that would happen. Should have separated the four at the bottom and put my name on, just in case ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/27/2014 12:38 PM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I read somewhere on FFL you were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure there are critics in the audience who would be glad to evaluate your artistic ability. I've been a subscriber to this group for years and I've never been able to get anyone to show their work, except for a few posted photos by Ann, a few animations by Barry2, and a few sunset photos by Jim. I've always assumed the only professional performer on this list was Curtis. Rita and I both went to art school and have worked as professionals for most of out lives as graphic artists or designers. We look forward to seeing your work. Photograph by Richard J. Williams, 2013 Very nice. I like taking photos when I'm strolling about. But I aint no pro, so don't be getting harsh on me:
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Schneider is certainly a true believer, but why do you call him a jackass? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The fact that they had that jackass Bob Schneider, a cardiologist, doing a lecture on Vedic psychiatry which was primarily more Movement bullshit of think sweet thoughts, don't think negative thoughts, read Hindoo scriptures and do TM - that says what the Movement really thinks and is doing about TM suicides than the community meetings they are participating in ONLY to save face and put on a good show until they can get the people suffering from depression alone to tell them its their fault, their karma, they just aren't pure enough yet, so more TM Siddhi practice and some yagyas as well as a good big fat donation to the Movement will cure them. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!! I'm sure we'll see whether what they offer officially is of any worth. Seems to me that if they break down the mystique of TM as the single greatest thing for human development then it will only be a matter of time before someone questions the validity of their position on the unified field of consciousness and all that that entails. Maybe they'll even start to wonder about the ME or yagya's, from small acorns can mighty oaks grow. Or the other way round of course! There is no excuse for continuing to preach an all encompassing world view without any evidence to back it up and still call it a science. Shorn of the religious hyperbole the TMO might become a more realistic school of thought and might do more good in the world when it isn't scaring off anyone who doesn't like the sight of crowns and ranks of chanting Hindoo boys and teaching astrology in schools. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : salyavin808 asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting
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Okay Nabbie, I listened to the Robert Johnson recording and to some of Curtis's recordings on YouTube. This is regarding you one note theory of music here. Granted some instruments tone productions can be a thing that must be practised, sounding a note on a violin is rather complex. But many instruments such as the piano, just about anyone can strike a note and it sounds the same. It is the relationships between the notes that make music not just one note. Beauty in a single note is in the eye of a beholder. Take the saxophone. This was originally intended to be a classical instrument, but for the most part it ended up in jazz, brass bands, on the popular side of the tracks. Classical saxophone playing is generally very smooth and mellow. While jazz players are often rather raspy in tone. You have to consider the style of music being played. If you consider 'beauty of tone' as a criterion, most jazz saxophonists sound like crap next to a good classical player. But the classical player probably could never replicate the style of the jazz players. YouTube is not the best way to hear music. It is compressed and often recopied and recompressed many times. Consumer video recorders have microphones that have distorted frequency response, often boosting the highs, and they are recorded at the camera location, not with optimum placement. The Robert Johnson recording is a solo, and 1936 recording technology loses both deep bass and much of the high frequencies (and an abrasive was added to the shellac of 78rpm records to keep the needle from wearing them down too quickly). His sound on the reproduction on YouTube is dead because it has been processed to remove the noise of that technology. So when you compare the musical sound of different musicians, you have to account for how the recording technology, and the recording engineer affect the final sound. Studio recordings tend to be different than live recordings. The atmosphere is more relaxed in a studio recording, and the need to project to an audience is absent so the sound might be more intimate. A completely acoustic performance without amplification requires projecting to the audience, and such a performance might sound a bit more intense than one in a more intimate setting. Comparing solo guitar and voice with what Curtis does with additional instruments is not a telling comparison. The ability to play slowly is nice, but a pro has to be able to handle rapid passages with ease, and without making serious errors. Now I can play slowly, because I am not that skilled, and have no other choice, lacking technical fluency. Five-year-old children can play the piano far better than I ever will. I am pretty good with single notes too. I can play them loud, soft, and in between. There are kinds of music I like, music I like less, and music I do not like, but I do not consider those performing music I do not like as crude etc., because I have not really investigated their artistry and style; some of these musicians seem to be fantastic in their technical ability. I mostly listen to Western European music, Bach, Handel, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven and so forth, so I have a musical bias, I almost never listen to pop, jazz, musicals, rock, or blues. Learning something about the style of a particular kind of musics helps to appreciate more, even if in the end, you do not like it. For example, I do not like rap, but it takes a tremendous amount of rhythmic and verbal and literary skill to produce it. I read somewhere on FFL you were a photographer. Are you an artist or a hack (just taking soulless pictures for money)? I do not believe you have ever given us a sample of your work. I am sure there are critics in the audience who would be glad to evaluate your artistic ability. What do you consider to be art in the field of photography? If we are discussing art versus non art, there must be some general criterion or criteria by which to evaluate it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? Good question. First of all I'd recommend practise, practise, practise. He could start by hitting one note at a time, just one note and listening to it, how it sounds, vibrates and how the sound slowly disappears. Just that, very simply and innoscently create one sound, and then listen to it, how pleasing is that sound, does it sound better doing it in another way ? And again, and again, and again. By doing this one acquires an understanding of the basics and a love for the note itself. Without this basics one is lost and will never achieve anything. One should understand that the ability to play fast on any instrument is not the same as playing music. To be able to play slowly is the hallmark of a professional. Many amateurs, like Curtis, make this mistake; they skip the basics and try to
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The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. You see now that I find you extremely pretentious and perhaps, though I doubt it, understand why I find your critisism of Maharishi as silly as your playing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : M: Thanks for the well intentioned advice Nabs. I'll take it to heart. What I am getting from you is that when I am singing outside without a mike to an audience many meters away, I should sound more like a guy sitting in the corner of a quiet recording room inches from a mike. And when I am covering a fast Elmore James song I should play it like another song that is slower. You got some mighty fine ears on ya boy! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? Good question. First of all I'd recommend practise, practise, practise. He could start by hitting one note at a time, just one note and listening to it, how it sounds, vibrates and how the sound slowly disappears. Just that, very simply and innoscently create one sound, and then listen to it, how pleasing is that sound, does it sound better doing it in another way ? And again, and again, and again. By doing this one acquires an understanding of the basics and a love for the note itself. Without this basics one is lost and will never achieve anything. One should understand that the ability to play fast on any instrument is not the same as playing music. To be able to play slowly is the hallmark of a professional. Many amateurs, like Curtis, make this mistake; they skip the basics and try to convey too much. I recommend you to listen to the video I posted by Robert Johnson. Where is the showmanship in this ? There isn't any because his heart is in it. When you listen to this, perhaps you better understand my disgust when fellows like Curtis comes along claiming to play the blues. Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. You see now that I find you extremely pretentious and perhaps, though I doubt it, understand why I find your critisism of Maharishi as silly as your playing. Just as a question, Nabby, what do you think that people on this forum think of YOU? Essentially, I'm asking you to self-rate, the same thing I've asked of Jim Flanegin and that he's been too terrified to ever do. I'm asking you to tell us what YOU think other people on this forum think of you, and how believable they find you. 1. Do you think that there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who finds your stories about Benjamin Creme and the Any-Day-Now appearance of Maitreya believable? If so, who are these people so we can contact them to confirm this? 2. Do you think there is ANYONE here who finds the stuff you write about crop circles believable and believes that they were created by 'Space Brotherws?' If so, please give us their names. ( The people who believe this, not the names of the Space Brothers. :-) 3. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum who feels that you are a good example of what TM does for a person? Again, give us names please. 4. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who feels that you are even SANE? Names, please. 5. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who actually CARES what you think of Curtis, me, or MJ? Again, we'll wait for you to supply names, if you dare. 6. Finally, do you think you'd still be welcome in Vlodrop or in any official TM flying facility? I'm really interested in your answer to the last question, because I've been contacted by someone in Europe who has offered to give me your real name and the real story of why you are no longer part of the TM movement and are instead hiding out in Norway. It'll be interesting to compare this person's version with your own. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : M: Thanks for the well intentioned advice Nabs. I'll take it to heart. What I am getting from you is that when I am singing outside without a mike to an audience many meters away, I should sound more like a guy sitting in the corner of a quiet recording room inches from a mike. And when I am covering a fast Elmore James song I should play it like another song that is slower. You got some mighty fine ears on ya boy! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? Good question. First of all I'd recommend practise, practise, practise. He could start by hitting one note at a time, just one note and listening to it, how it sounds, vibrates and how the sound slowly disappears. Just that, very simply and innoscently create one sound, and then listen to it, how pleasing is that sound, does it sound better doing it in another way ? And again, and again, and again. By doing this one acquires an understanding of the basics and a love for the note itself. Without this basics one is lost and will never achieve anything. One should understand that the ability to play fast on any instrument is not the same as playing music. To be able to play slowly is the hallmark of a professional. Many amateurs, like Curtis, make this mistake; they skip the basics and try to convey too much. I recommend you to listen to the video I posted by Robert Johnson. Where is the showmanship in this ? There isn't any because his heart is in it. When you listen to this, perhaps you better understand my disgust when fellows like Curtis comes along claiming to play the blues. Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. You see now that I find you extremely pretentious and perhaps, though I doubt it, understand why I find your critisism of Maharishi as silly as your playing. Just as a question, Nabby, what do you think that people on this forum think of YOU? I have no idea, nor do I care much. Essentially, I'm asking you to self-rate, the same thing I've asked of Jim Flanegin and that he's been too terrified to ever do. I'm asking you to tell us what YOU think other people on this forum think of you, and how believable they find you. Same as over. 1. Do you think that there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who finds your stories about Benjamin Creme and the Any-Day-Now appearance of Maitreya believable? If so, who are these people so we can contact them to confirm this? Could be, I'm not sure. 2. Do you think there is ANYONE here who finds the stuff you write about crop circles believable and believes that they were created by 'Space Brotherws?' If so, please give us their names. ( The people who believe this, not the names of the Space Brothers. :-) Problem with the majority of posters are they are closed-minded, probably due to lack of progress. The only poster here that seems remotely open to these facts is Rick Archer. There are probably others but the don't excactly voice their opinion. Not that is matters much. 3. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum who feels that you are a good example of what TM does for a person? Again, give us names please. I have no idea, nor do I care. 4. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who feels that you are even SANE? Names, please. I have no idea, one can only hope :-) 5. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who actually CARES what you think of Curtis, me, or MJ? Again, we'll wait for you to supply names, if you dare. The question came up by anartaxius so I Guess so. 6. Finally, do you think you'd still be welcome in Vlodrop or in any official TM flying facility? Absolutely. My standing in the Movement is without blemish and I can join any flying-facility anytime I like, internationally a letter of approval is necessary and no problem at all. I'm really interested in your answer to the last question, because I've been contacted by someone in Europe who has offered to give me your real name and the real story of why you are no longer part of the TM movement and are instead hiding out in Norway. It'll be interesting to compare this person's version with your own. Yeah right. These people are as non-excistent as Your lurking reporters. And I'm very much part of the Movement but never had the time nor the opportunity to do the rectification courses though offers to take it comes at regular intervals every year. With the new prices I also doubt there would be room for the amount of Teachers we used to have. Thus I do not teach anymore nor do I participate in any international projects mainly due do to work load. I've posted this information before, BTW. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : M: Thanks for the well intentioned advice Nabs. I'll take it to heart. What I am getting from you is that when I am singing outside without a mike to an audience many meters away, I should sound more like a guy sitting in the corner of a quiet recording room inches from a mike. And when I am covering a fast Elmore James song I should play it like another song that is slower. You got some mighty fine ears on ya boy! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? Good question. First of all I'd recommend practise, practise, practise. He could start by hitting one note at a time, just one note and listening to it, how it sounds, vibrates and how the sound slowly disappears. Just that, very simply and innoscently create one sound, and then listen to it, how pleasing is that sound, does it sound better doing it in another way ? And again, and again, and again. By doing this one acquires an understanding of the basics and a love for the note itself. Without this basics one is lost and will never achieve anything. One should understand that the ability to play fast on any instrument is not the same as playing music. To be able to play slowly is the hallmark of a professional. Many amateurs, like Curtis, make this mistake; they skip the basics and try to convey too much. I
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The difference between an amateur and a professional is the professional makes his living at it. An amateur does not necessarily mean unskilled. I have to leave for New York City in a couple of minutes so I do not have time for additional comments at this time. I will listen to the video later. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? Good question. First of all I'd recommend practise, practise, practise. He could start by hitting one note at a time, just one note and listening to it, how it sounds, vibrates and how the sound slowly disappears. Just that, very simply and innoscently create one sound, and then listen to it, how pleasing is that sound, does it sound better doing it in another way ? And again, and again, and again. By doing this one acquires an understanding of the basics and a love for the note itself. Without this basics one is lost and will never achieve anything. One should understand that the ability to play fast on any instrument is not the same as playing music. To be able to play slowly is the hallmark of a professional. Many amateurs, like Curtis, make this mistake; they skip the basics and try to convey too much. I recommend you to listen to the video I posted by Robert Johnson. Where is the showmanship in this ? There isn't any because his heart is in it. When you listen to this, perhaps you better understand my disgust when fellows like Curtis comes along claiming to play the blues. Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Preview by Yahoo
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Ha ha! I love it! I would be mighty interested in knowing th eanswer to #6 as well - appalling that Nabby lives in Norway - a fine country and one much too good for him. It is interesting that he has not chosen to live in London, next door to his much vaunted Benjy Creme, so he can haunt his doorstep and try to get a peek at Maitreya when he comes over to Benjy's flat for tea. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. You see now that I find you extremely pretentious and perhaps, though I doubt it, understand why I find your critisism of Maharishi as silly as your playing. Just as a question, Nabby, what do you think that people on this forum think of YOU? Essentially, I'm asking you to self-rate, the same thing I've asked of Jim Flanegin and that he's been too terrified to ever do. I'm asking you to tell us what YOU think other people on this forum think of you, and how believable they find you. 1. Do you think that there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who finds your stories about Benjamin Creme and the Any-Day-Now appearance of Maitreya believable? If so, who are these people so we can contact them to confirm this? 2. Do you think there is ANYONE here who finds the stuff you write about crop circles believable and believes that they were created by 'Space Brotherws?' If so, please give us their names. ( The people who believe this, not the names of the Space Brothers. :-) 3. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum who feels that you are a good example of what TM does for a person? Again, give us names please. 4. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who feels that you are even SANE? Names, please. 5. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who actually CARES what you think of Curtis, me, or MJ? Again, we'll wait for you to supply names, if you dare. 6. Finally, do you think you'd still be welcome in Vlodrop or in any official TM flying facility? I'm really interested in your answer to the last question, because I've been contacted by someone in Europe who has offered to give me your real name and the real story of why you are no longer part of the TM movement and are instead hiding out in Norway. It'll be interesting to compare this person's version with your own. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : M: Thanks for the well intentioned advice Nabs. I'll take it to heart. What I am getting from you is that when I am singing outside without a mike to an audience many meters away, I should sound more like a guy sitting in the corner of a quiet recording room inches from a mike. And when I am covering a fast Elmore James song I should play it like another song that is slower. You got some mighty fine ears on ya boy! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? Good question. First of all I'd recommend practise, practise, practise. He could start by hitting one note at a time, just one note and listening to it, how it sounds, vibrates and how the sound slowly disappears. Just that, very simply and innoscently create one sound, and then listen to it, how pleasing is that sound, does it sound better doing it in another way ? And again, and again, and again. By doing this one acquires an understanding of the basics and a love for the note itself. Without this basics one is lost and will never achieve anything. One should understand that the ability to play fast on any instrument is not the same as playing music. To be able to play slowly is the hallmark of a professional. Many amateurs, like Curtis, make this mistake; they skip the basics and try to convey too much. I recommend you to listen to the video I posted by Robert Johnson. Where is the showmanship in this ? There isn't any because his heart is in it. When you listen to this, perhaps you better understand my disgust when fellows like Curtis comes along claiming to play the blues. Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : 6. Finally, do you think you'd still be welcome in Vlodrop or in any official TM flying facility? Absolutely. My standing in the Movement is without blemish and I can join any flying-facility anytime I like, internationally a letter of approval is necessary and no problem at all. Easy to say, difficult to prove, especially for someone who never has the time to do anything to do what his supposed teacher (MMY) told him to do. So what you're saying is that you have CHOSEN to disregard your teacher's instructions and have CHOSEN to never do your TMSP program in a group, rather than having been prevented from doing so. All while putting down those who might have done the same. Interesting. I'm really interested in your answer to the last question, because I've been contacted by someone in Europe who has offered to give me your real name and the real story of why you are no longer part of the TM movement and are instead hiding out in Norway. It'll be interesting to compare this person's version with your own. Yeah right. These people are as non-excistent as Your lurking reporters. And I'm very much part of the Movement but never had the time nor the opportunity to do the rectification courses though offers to take it comes at regular intervals every year. Right. :-) By the way, the word is recertification, Nabby, not rectification. The former refers to the course you would have had to take to still be considered a TM teacher and thus still part of the TM movement. The latter involves having things shoved up your rectum. :-) Thanks for playing, though. At the very least you've got more balls than Jim Flanegin. However, I've noticed that despite many requests you still haven't posted any links to any of the photographs you consider YOUR art. Should we assume that this is because you're still an amateur and thus ashamed of them, or that it's because you're afraid to expose yourself to the same kind of criticism you've been aiming at Curtis? Curious minds want to know... :-)
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Ha ha! I love it! I would be mighty interested in knowing th eanswer to #6 as well - appalling that Nabby lives in Norway - a fine country and one much too good for him. It is interesting that he has not chosen to live in London, next door to his much vaunted Benjy Creme, so he can haunt his doorstep and try to get a peek at Maitreya when he comes over to Benjy's flat for tea. There seems to be plenty of Benny Creme craziness in Norway: Maitreya steps forward! The Norway Spiral (Star Sign) Heralds New Age Messiah Maitreya steps forward! The Norway Spiral (Star Sign) He... By Benjamin Creme | share-international.org Update: For more on this story check out Terry Melanson's post The Latest Shenanigans of Benjamin Creme, the so-called ... View on www.redicecreation... Preview by Yahoo Here's another one you'll like, Michael. I just love the photo of Creme being supposedly overshadowed by Maitreya. Perhaps THIS is one of Nabby's art photographs. :-) The Latest Shenanigans of Benjamin Creme, the so-called “prophet of Maitreya” - Conspiracy Archive The Latest Shenanigans of Benjamin Creme, the so-called ... Originally Published at Conspiracy Archive on 2010/02/02 Creme, according to Share International, being overshadowed (i.e. possessed) by Maitreya. Spooky stuff. View on www.conspiracyarc... Preview by Yahoo
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And I'm very much part of the Movement but never had the time nor the opportunity to do the rectification You are so full of shit - if you really were part of the Movement you would have gotten recertified - you don't because they won't take you because you are a Benjy Creme fanatic and you know it. You are part of the Movement only in your own mind. My guess is you have this fantasy that when Maitreya shows himself, he will call upon all the TM governors to have some sort of big shot important role in administering the new world order. Jesus, what a pathetic individual you are. The very Movement you adore and blabber about all the time despises you because of your other spiritual teachers addiction. Yet you cling to a fantasy world that will never manifest. I gotta hand it to you though, you are living life the way the Movement taught you - with no sense of real reality and living in a dream world of your own and your non-existent Master's importance. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. You see now that I find you extremely pretentious and perhaps, though I doubt it, understand why I find your critisism of Maharishi as silly as your playing. Just as a question, Nabby, what do you think that people on this forum think of YOU? I have no idea, nor do I care much. Essentially, I'm asking you to self-rate, the same thing I've asked of Jim Flanegin and that he's been too terrified to ever do. I'm asking you to tell us what YOU think other people on this forum think of you, and how believable they find you. Same as over. 1. Do you think that there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who finds your stories about Benjamin Creme and the Any-Day-Now appearance of Maitreya believable? If so, who are these people so we can contact them to confirm this? Could be, I'm not sure. 2. Do you think there is ANYONE here who finds the stuff you write about crop circles believable and believes that they were created by 'Space Brotherws?' If so, please give us their names. ( The people who believe this, not the names of the Space Brothers. :-) Problem with the majority of posters are they are closed-minded, probably due to lack of progress. The only poster here that seems remotely open to these facts is Rick Archer. There are probably others but the don't excactly voice their opinion. Not that is matters much. 3. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum who feels that you are a good example of what TM does for a person? Again, give us names please. I have no idea, nor do I care. 4. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who feels that you are even SANE? Names, please. I have no idea, one can only hope :-) 5. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who actually CARES what you think of Curtis, me, or MJ? Again, we'll wait for you to supply names, if you dare. The question came up by anartaxius so I Guess so. 6. Finally, do you think you'd still be welcome in Vlodrop or in any official TM flying facility? Absolutely. My standing in the Movement is without blemish and I can join any flying-facility anytime I like, internationally a letter of approval is necessary and no problem at all. I'm really interested in your answer to the last question, because I've been contacted by someone in Europe who has offered to give me your real name and the real story of why you are no longer part of the TM movement and are instead hiding out in Norway. It'll be interesting to compare this person's version with your own. Yeah right. These people are as non-excistent as Your lurking reporters. And I'm very much part of the Movement but never had the time nor the opportunity to do the rectification courses though offers to take it comes at regular intervals every year. With the new prices I also doubt there would be room for the amount of Teachers we used to have. Thus I do not teach anymore nor do I participate in any international projects mainly due do to work load. I've posted this information before, BTW. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : M: Thanks for the well intentioned advice Nabs. I'll take it to heart. What I am getting from you is that when I am singing outside without a mike to an audience many meters away, I should sound more like a guy
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Comments below. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : 6. Finally, do you think you'd still be welcome in Vlodrop or in any official TM flying facility? Absolutely. My standing in the Movement is without blemish and I can join any flying-facility anytime I like, internationally a letter of approval is necessary and no problem at all. Easy to say, difficult to prove, especially for someone who never has the time to do anything to do what his supposed teacher (MMY) told him to do. So what you're saying is that you have CHOSEN to disregard your teacher's instructions and have CHOSEN to never do your TMSP program in a group, rather than having been prevented from doing so. All while putting down those who might have done the same. Interesting. That's partly right I suppose. But Maharishi didn't order us to do the re-certification. It was an offer and those who for some reason hasn't done it can't teach but it doesn't mean we are out of the Movement in any other way than the teaching part. The re-certification courses is still open to all Teachers and is offered several times a year. I haven't found the time to do it, but it doesn't mean I won't some time in the future. I'm really interested in your answer to the last question, because I've been contacted by someone in Europe who has offered to give me your real name and the real story of why you are no longer part of the TM movement and are instead hiding out in Norway. It'll be interesting to compare this person's version with your own. Yeah right. These people are as non-excistent as Your lurking reporters. And I'm very much part of the Movement but never had the time nor the opportunity to do the rectification courses though offers to take it comes at regular intervals every year. Right. :-) By the way, the word is recertification, Nabby, not rectification. The former refers to the course you would have had to take to still be considered a TM teacher and thus still part of the TM movement. The latter involves having things shoved up your rectum. :-) Point taken regarding spelling. Again, not having taken the re-certification course doesn't mean you're out of the Movement. Thanks for playing, though. At the very least you've got more balls than Jim Flanegin. However, I've noticed that despite many requests you still haven't posted any links to any of the photographs you consider YOUR art. Should we assume that this is because you're still an amateur and thus ashamed of them, or that it's because you're afraid to expose yourself to the same kind of criticism you've been aiming at Curtis? Curious minds want to know... :-) That's because, contrary to your friend Curtis, I don't consider myself an artist, as I have stated here before. It's an description reserved for those very special voices in the world having something very unique to say. Playing the guitar on street corners doesn't make you an artist any more than exhibiting photographs in galleries a few times as I have. I'm a commercial photographer selling my work to clients and thus make a living out of something I enjoy. They are happy, I am happy and that's all. It certainly doesn't make me an artist.
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I just came across this, Barry, some sort of self-rating scale you wanted me to participate in, regarding my perception, of those reading, of me? What an waste of time. Actually, just make 'em up for me - I think it matters to you, a lot more than it does to me. Again, its that spiritual criminal, Lenz, peeking through. That horrible person was all about making people supremely self-conscious and insecure about their place, with regard to everyone else, as if he had the right. What an excellent way to drive oneself crazy. He used it, to control others. It must be hellish, to continuously wonder what others think of you, and use it as a gauge of one's self-esteem. Just live life, and self-correct, according to the consequences you produce; a skill that you are obviously far short of mastering, Barry. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. You see now that I find you extremely pretentious and perhaps, though I doubt it, understand why I find your critisism of Maharishi as silly as your playing. Just as a question, Nabby, what do you think that people on this forum think of YOU? I have no idea, nor do I care much. Essentially, I'm asking you to self-rate, the same thing I've asked of Jim Flanegin and that he's been too terrified to ever do. I'm asking you to tell us what YOU think other people on this forum think of you, and how believable they find you. Same as over. 1. Do you think that there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who finds your stories about Benjamin Creme and the Any-Day-Now appearance of Maitreya believable? If so, who are these people so we can contact them to confirm this? Could be, I'm not sure. 2. Do you think there is ANYONE here who finds the stuff you write about crop circles believable and believes that they were created by 'Space Brotherws?' If so, please give us their names. ( The people who believe this, not the names of the Space Brothers. :-) Problem with the majority of posters are they are closed-minded, probably due to lack of progress. The only poster here that seems remotely open to these facts is Rick Archer. There are probably others but the don't excactly voice their opinion. Not that is matters much. 3. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum who feels that you are a good example of what TM does for a person? Again, give us names please. I have no idea, nor do I care. 4. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who feels that you are even SANE? Names, please. I have no idea, one can only hope :-) 5. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who actually CARES what you think of Curtis, me, or MJ? Again, we'll wait for you to supply names, if you dare. The question came up by anartaxius so I Guess so. 6. Finally, do you think you'd still be welcome in Vlodrop or in any official TM flying facility? Absolutely. My standing in the Movement is without blemish and I can join any flying-facility anytime I like, internationally a letter of approval is necessary and no problem at all. I'm really interested in your answer to the last question, because I've been contacted by someone in Europe who has offered to give me your real name and the real story of why you are no longer part of the TM movement and are instead hiding out in Norway. It'll be interesting to compare this person's version with your own. Yeah right. These people are as non-excistent as Your lurking reporters. And I'm very much part of the Movement but never had the time nor the opportunity to do the rectification courses though offers to take it comes at regular intervals every year. With the new prices I also doubt there would be room for the amount of Teachers we used to have. Thus I do not teach anymore nor do I participate in any international projects mainly due do to work load. I've posted this information before, BTW. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : M: Thanks for the well intentioned advice Nabs. I'll take it to heart. What I am getting from you is that when I am singing outside without a mike to an audience many meters away, I should sound more like a guy sitting in the corner of a quiet recording room inches from a mike. And when I am covering a fast Elmore James song I should play it like another song that is slower. You got some mighty fine ears on ya boy! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Curtis were as
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : salyavin808 asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,, # # Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and have a better day. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Good for you guys for taking it seriously, it seems to me that for there to be an actual organisation to confront the issue means there must be quite a problem. Or is it that the usual therapies and professionals that the average person goes in search of aren't there due to the self-help nature of the town generally? There are many paths to wellness, everyone has to find their own way I think as we all respond in different ways and have different needs. But as long as they know have options and won't get ostracised, it's a good step. So a well stocked library is essential too I think, reading about how problems develop and can be treated might be a good start for a lot of people, it might familiarise them as to how the mind works as opposed to what they've been taught by the TMO which has a woefully incomplete picture of how the personality works not to mention a very unhealthy attitude to mental problems to start with.
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Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : salyavin808asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,, # # Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and have a better day. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Good for you guys for taking it seriously, it seems to me that for there to be an actual organisation to confront the issue means there must be quite a problem. Or is it that the usual therapies and professionals that the average person goes in search of aren't there due to the self-help nature of the town generally? There are many paths to wellness, everyone has to find their own way I think
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. M: I haven't deleted any videos but then I don't post all of the ones of me. My two CDs are at CDBaby.com. I have sold thousands of them and won some awards for them. I am very proud of them. Each contains 6 original songs and 6 covers songs preserving the acoustic blues era and performed live as a one man band in the studio. With Christmas coming I'm sure you will want to buy several for your family and friends. Curtis Blues | CD Baby Music Store http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues Curtis Blues | CD Baby Music Store http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues Listen to and buy Curtis Blues music on CD Baby, the independent record store by musicians for musicians. View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues Preview by Yahoo Reflecting on my job through this discussion has been interesting. One aspect of my job is public and because everyone believes their opinions are so precious they share them freely. It is a big obstacle for many artists and some are tormented by it long into their rise to fame and fortune. The key is to focus on your own artistic standards and the people who you solicit opinions from: people you trust and people you pay. I paid a producer to help me with my second CD and the results were so much better than my first. The advice was invaluable and helped me grow as an artist. Imagine this Nabbie. Some guy you have never met, a friend of a friend on Facebook sees a shapshot you took on vacation posted by someone else. It may or may not have been the one you would have chosen but they posted it so you live with it. The guy posts pictures by Ansel Adams next to yours and begins to offer you advice about lighting and composition and tells you that you suck as a photographer. Now inside you are thinking that you have to please yourself and your boss and you make good money, so who cares what this guy thinks, right? That's my world. I have many temporary bosses who I have to please with my music and since you don't buy my CDs or hire me for shows, your opinion about my music is none of my business, literally. But you took some time to form an opinion and I appreciate that. My problem is not people who don't like my music, it is people who have never heard it. That is a huge problem for any artist because we are all working a numbers game. We need to find the people who dig what we do. I am making a comfortable living from those people now. But I have to find the other people who are like them. That is the hardest part of making a living in any art form. And that is why I say: thanks for your opinion, but excuse me there is a customer behind you and you are blocking my view. I have pushed back a bit on some of your criticism of my busking show because most people do not understand what busking is and what it takes to make substantial money at it. Most musicians who try it don't take the time required to master it as a separate art from just playing music. To survive you have to play flashier and because people didn't pay to see you. You have to sing and simplify your playing in a way that can be sustained for hours at high volume. It is never your best artistic work. Then you have to take a huge humility pill that most of the people who pay you are paying for your interaction with them, not the music. The show is bigger than your playing. You have to engage them while playing at the same time. It is F'n difficult and can only be learned on the job. But after years of practice the rewards are that you are auditioning for people to hire you for private parties and festivals so you pick up work that way, you can make an hourly wage equivalent to a high level computer programmer, sell thousands of CDs to people who would otherwise not know you exist, and meet interesting people from all over the world who love this kind of music. You, Nabbie, are just one of the thousands who pass by without giving me a thought, or who decide they don't like what I do.To make a living as an artist means that you keep your head straight about who you are trying to please. I am not trying to convert unbelievers, I just need to find the people who hear me and feel the way I do about this music and how I play it. I know you were hoping to make me feel badly about what I do, but I am afraid that ship sailed long ago. N: You see now that I find you extremely pretentious M: Says the guy who doesn't play giving musical advice to someone who makes their living from it... N: and perhaps, though I doubt it, understand why I find your criticism of Maharishi as silly as your playing. M: Well you have had ample opportunity to counter anything I have posted about
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!! I'm sure we'll see whether what they offer officially is of any worth. Seems to me that if they break down the mystique of TM as the single greatest thing for human development then it will only be a matter of time before someone questions the validity of their position on the unified field of consciousness and all that that entails. Maybe they'll even start to wonder about the ME or yagya's, from small acorns can mighty oaks grow. Or the other way round of course! There is no excuse for continuing to preach an all encompassing world view without any evidence to back it up and still call it a science. Shorn of the religious hyperbole the TMO might become a more realistic school of thought and might do more good in the world when it isn't scaring off anyone who doesn't like the sight of crowns and ranks of chanting Hindoo boys and teaching astrology in schools. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : salyavin808 asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of
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On 10/26/2014 8:09 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!! /Except, there is no TMO, that's just a straw man you made up in order to change the subject from the issue at hand. Use your head - if there was a TMO there would be one organization to administer the movement world-wide with a director and a capable administration. For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. It's like when two people are debating something and one guy is losing the argument big time, so he tries to change the subject to cover his losses. // The only thing that has been established here is that you and Turq appear to have some kind of mental illness, maybe related to obsession or cognitive dissonance. How's that Kung Foo working out for you?/
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On 10/26/2014 8:27 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Shorn of the religious hyperbole the TMO might become a more realistic school of thought and might do more good in the world when it isn't scaring off anyone who doesn't like the sight of crowns and ranks of chanting Hindoo boys and teaching astrology in schools. /Prejudice is judgments toward people or a person because of their religion, gender, political opinion, social class, age, disability, sexuality, race or ethnicity, language, nationality or other personal characteristics./
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On 10/26/2014 7:08 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And I'm very much part of the Movement but never had the time nor the opportunity to do the rectification You are so full of shit - if you really were part of the Movement you would have gotten recertified - you don't because they won't take you because you are a Benjy Creme fanatic and you know it. You are part of the Movement only in your own mind. There is only one thing that has been established beyond a doubt: YOU WILL NEVER BAKE COOKIES ON THE MUM CAMPUS EVER AGAIN. My guess is you have this fantasy that when Maitreya shows himself, he will call upon all the TM governors to have some sort of big shot important role in administering the new world order.*/ /*// Jesus, what a pathetic individual you are. The very Movement you adore and blabber about all the time despises you because of your other spiritual teachers addiction. Yet you cling to a fantasy world that will never manifest. I gotta hand it to you though, you are living life the way the Movement taught you - with no sense of real reality and living in a dream world of your own and your non-existent Master's importance. *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:40 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. You see now that I find you extremely pretentious and perhaps, though I doubt it, understand why I find your critisism of Maharishi as silly as your playing. Just as a question, Nabby, what do you think that people on this forum think of YOU? */I have no idea, nor do I care much./* Essentially, I'm asking you to self-rate, the same thing I've asked of Jim Flanegin and that he's been too terrified to ever do. I'm asking you to tell us what YOU think other people on this forum think of you, and how believable they find you. */Same as over./* 1. Do you think that there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who finds your stories about Benjamin Creme and the Any-Day-Now appearance of Maitreya believable? If so, who are these people so we can contact them to confirm this? */Could be, I'm not sure./* 2. Do you think there is ANYONE here who finds the stuff you write about crop circles believable and believes that they were created by 'Space Brotherws?' If so, please give us their names. ( The people who believe this, not the names of the Space Brothers. :-) */Problem with the majority of posters are they are closed-minded, probably due to lack of progress. The only poster here that seems remotely open to these facts is Rick Archer. There are probably others but the don't excactly voice their opinion. Not that is matters much./* 3. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum who feels that you are a good example of what TM does for a person? Again, give us names please. */I have no idea, nor do I care./* 4. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who feels that you are even SANE? Names, please. I have no idea, one can only hope :-) 5. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who actually CARES what you think of Curtis, me, or MJ? Again, we'll wait for you to supply names, if you dare. */The question came up by /anartaxius so I Guess so.* 6. Finally, do you think you'd still be welcome in Vlodrop or in any official TM flying facility? */Absolutely. My standing in the Movement is without blemish and I can join any flying-facility anytime I like, internationally a letter of approval is necessary and no problem at all./* I'm really interested in your answer to the last question, because I've been contacted by someone in Europe who has offered to give me your real name and the real story of why you are no longer part of the TM movement and are instead hiding out in Norway. It'll be interesting to compare this person's version with your own. Yeah right. These people are as non-excistent as Your lurking reporters. And I'm very much part of the Movement but never had the time nor the opportunity to do the rectification courses though offers to take it comes at regular intervals every year. With the new prices I also doubt there would be room for the amount of Teachers we used to have. Thus I do not teach anymore nor do I participate in any international projects mainly due do to work load. I've posted this
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On 10/26/2014 5:09 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm really interested in your answer to the last question, because I've been contacted by someone in Europe who has offered to give me your real name and the real story of why you are no longer part of the TM movement and are instead hiding out in Norway. It'll be interesting to compare this person's version with your own. Maybe it's time to review what we know about the TB: * /Kicked out of the TMO and the Rama cult; an informant living in Netherlands who reports to a science magazine using an alias./// Interesting. It looks like to me a clear case of cognitive dissonance. Go figure.
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Jeez, Michael, doubling down on your idiocy, doesn't somehow make you look clever, or smart. It,.. unfortunately..just makes you look.more idiotic. Sorry about that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : salyavin808 asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,, # # Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and have a better day. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome Good for you guys for taking it seriously, it seems to me that for there to be an actual organisation to confront
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I respect you for making a living from being independent. What I object to is your insistence again and again on using the words art and artist. You must have some nerve to use those words about yourself and the stuff you are doing. It undermines whatever else you have to say because you have glued dilettanterie to your endeavors, at least in my opinion. And since you mention a great american photographer and artist Ansel Adams, even Cartier-Bresson claimed he himself was not an artist. He was a great artists by any standard to most of us ofcourse, but he had higher ideas about the word art. That's real humility, something you perhaps lack. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. M: I haven't deleted any videos but then I don't post all of the ones of me. My two CDs are at CDBaby.com. I have sold thousands of them and won some awards for them. I am very proud of them. Each contains 6 original songs and 6 covers songs preserving the acoustic blues era and performed live as a one man band in the studio. With Christmas coming I'm sure you will want to buy several for your family and friends. Curtis Blues | CD Baby Music Store http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues Curtis Blues | CD Baby Music Store http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues Listen to and buy Curtis Blues music on CD Baby, the independent record store by musicians for musicians. View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues Preview by Yahoo Reflecting on my job through this discussion has been interesting. One aspect of my job is public and because everyone believes their opinions are so precious they share them freely. It is a big obstacle for many artists and some are tormented by it long into their rise to fame and fortune. The key is to focus on your own artistic standards and the people who you solicit opinions from: people you trust and people you pay. I paid a producer to help me with my second CD and the results were so much better than my first. The advice was invaluable and helped me grow as an artist. Imagine this Nabbie. Some guy you have never met, a friend of a friend on Facebook sees a shapshot you took on vacation posted by someone else. It may or may not have been the one you would have chosen but they posted it so you live with it. The guy posts pictures by Ansel Adams next to yours and begins to offer you advice about lighting and composition and tells you that you suck as a photographer. Now inside you are thinking that you have to please yourself and your boss and you make good money, so who cares what this guy thinks, right? That's my world. I have many temporary bosses who I have to please with my music and since you don't buy my CDs or hire me for shows, your opinion about my music is none of my business, literally. But you took some time to form an opinion and I appreciate that. My problem is not people who don't like my music, it is people who have never heard it. That is a huge problem for any artist because we are all working a numbers game. We need to find the people who dig what we do. I am making a comfortable living from those people now. But I have to find the other people who are like them. That is the hardest part of making a living in any art form. And that is why I say: thanks for your opinion, but excuse me there is a customer behind you and you are blocking my view. I have pushed back a bit on some of your criticism of my busking show because most people do not understand what busking is and what it takes to make substantial money at it. Most musicians who try it don't take the time required to master it as a separate art from just playing music. To survive you have to play flashier and because people didn't pay to see you. You have to sing and simplify your playing in a way that can be sustained for hours at high volume. It is never your best artistic work. Then you have to take a huge humility pill that most of the people who pay you are paying for your interaction with them, not the music. The show is bigger than your playing. You have to engage them while playing at the same time. It is F'n difficult and can only be learned on the job. But after years of practice the rewards are that you are auditioning for people to hire you for private parties and festivals so you pick up work that way, you can make an hourly wage equivalent to a high level computer programmer, sell thousands of CDs to people who would otherwise not know you exist, and meet interesting people from all over the world who love this kind of music. You, Nabbie, are just one of the thousands who pass by without giving me a thought, or who decide they don't
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On 10/26/2014 9:03 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jeez, Michael, doubling down on your idiocy, doesn't somehow make you look clever, or smart. /It's starting to look like a FFL war on women. If Judy was still around she would have taken this rumormonger to task a long time ago. / It,.. unfortunately..just makes you look.more idiotic. Sorry about that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!! *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : *salyavin808*asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,, # # Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for
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A persistent fallacy with you, Michael. You assume that anyone who is a supporter of the movement, or who has goodwill towards the movement, must somehow be a regular meditator, of if they are a teacher, go to be re-certified, or if they have learned the siddhis, they must practice them. It really only demonstrates an inability on your part to make fine distinctions. And again, one can't help but wonder how this plays out in real life, when so much of success in relationships, as well as earning a living, requires basic skills in this area. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And I'm very much part of the Movement but never had the time nor the opportunity to do the rectification You are so full of shit - if you really were part of the Movement you would have gotten recertified - you don't because they won't take you because you are a Benjy Creme fanatic and you know it. You are part of the Movement only in your own mind. My guess is you have this fantasy that when Maitreya shows himself, he will call upon all the TM governors to have some sort of big shot important role in administering the new world order. Jesus, what a pathetic individual you are. The very Movement you adore and blabber about all the time despises you because of your other spiritual teachers addiction. Yet you cling to a fantasy world that will never manifest. I gotta hand it to you though, you are living life the way the Movement taught you - with no sense of real reality and living in a dream world of your own and your non-existent Master's importance. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. You see now that I find you extremely pretentious and perhaps, though I doubt it, understand why I find your critisism of Maharishi as silly as your playing. Just as a question, Nabby, what do you think that people on this forum think of YOU? I have no idea, nor do I care much. Essentially, I'm asking you to self-rate, the same thing I've asked of Jim Flanegin and that he's been too terrified to ever do. I'm asking you to tell us what YOU think other people on this forum think of you, and how believable they find you. Same as over. 1. Do you think that there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who finds your stories about Benjamin Creme and the Any-Day-Now appearance of Maitreya believable? If so, who are these people so we can contact them to confirm this? Could be, I'm not sure. 2. Do you think there is ANYONE here who finds the stuff you write about crop circles believable and believes that they were created by 'Space Brotherws?' If so, please give us their names. ( The people who believe this, not the names of the Space Brothers. :-) Problem with the majority of posters are they are closed-minded, probably due to lack of progress. The only poster here that seems remotely open to these facts is Rick Archer. There are probably others but the don't excactly voice their opinion. Not that is matters much. 3. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum who feels that you are a good example of what TM does for a person? Again, give us names please. I have no idea, nor do I care. 4. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who feels that you are even SANE? Names, please. I have no idea, one can only hope :-) 5. Do you think there is ANYONE on this forum (or anywhere else) who actually CARES what you think of Curtis, me, or MJ? Again, we'll wait for you to supply names, if you dare. The question came up by anartaxius so I Guess so. 6. Finally, do you think you'd still be welcome in Vlodrop or in any official TM flying facility? Absolutely. My standing in the Movement is without blemish and I can join any flying-facility anytime I like, internationally a letter of approval is necessary and no problem at all. I'm really interested in your answer to the last question, because I've been contacted by someone in Europe who has offered to give me your real name and the real story of why you are no longer part of the TM movement and are instead hiding out in Norway. It'll be interesting to compare this person's version with your own. Yeah right. These people are as non-excistent as Your lurking reporters. And I'm very much part of the Movement but never had the time
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Hey MJ, I'm just balancing out your gushings, if that's what we could call them! Still wishing you more peace and happiness... On Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:12 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : salyavin808asks:So,what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they goingto do about it? DatelineFairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation ofworking meetings held about mental health in the community that havebeen ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under theworking banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These areworking meetings of people who are interested in being activleyinvolved in helping with communal mental health. On alternatingTuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays isthe large group meeting where the committees bring their work. Thelarger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot hasbeen done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months tofacilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are opento interested people who would be actively involved. They are notgripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but workingmeetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate.Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previousmeeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation anddistribution of the campus guideline for psychological healthtreatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the culturalthings that may underlie meditator communal mental health.Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rankin the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of thewhole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, andmovement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lastingwithin and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak andparticipate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone wasasked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questionsin short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and posterboards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read throughout the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words andwithout statement what do you see the problem is here in thecommunity culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went aroundthe room. Then once everything was on the boards in front ofeveryone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about allthat was said? It went around the room to everyone includingmovement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range offeelings.Lastlarge question of the group was something like, in five words whatshould be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again timewas taken to go entirely around the room and the answers wererecorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read.That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These werepertinent action points. Inthe end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were themost important points offered in the meeting. That data then willsubsequently generate a report with priority for a future meetingabout what it might take to change the culture of the movement aroundmental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,,# #Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and havea better day. JaiGuru Dev,-Buck in the Dome Good for you guys for taking it seriously, it seems to me that for there to be an actual organisation to confront the issue means there must be quite a problem. Or is it that the usual therapies and
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salyavin, from my own experience I think that TM is necessary for emotional good health. But it's not sufficient. Just as it's not sufficient to deal with a toothache or a broken finger or a floundering marriage. Anyway, ALL the issues that have been brought up here, have been brought up in these meetings, and often more than once. The whole process is very encouraging and exciting and makes me feel happy to be part of these organization as it goes through its growing pains. On Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:27 AM, salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!! I'm sure we'll see whether what they offer officially is of any worth. Seems to me that if they break down the mystique of TM as the single greatest thing for human development then it will only be a matter of time before someone questions the validity of their position on the unified field of consciousness and all that that entails. Maybe they'll even start to wonder about the ME or yagya's, from small acorns can mighty oaks grow. Or the other way round of course! There is no excuse for continuing to preach an all encompassing world view without any evidence to back it up and still call it a science. Shorn of the religious hyperbole the TMO might become a more realistic school of thought and might do more good in the world when it isn't scaring off anyone who doesn't like the sight of crowns and ranks of chanting Hindoo boys and teaching astrology in schools. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : salyavin808asks:So,what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they goingto do about it? DatelineFairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation ofworking meetings held about mental health in the community that havebeen ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under theworking banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These areworking meetings of people who are interested in being activleyinvolved in helping with communal mental health. On alternatingTuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays isthe large group meeting where the committees bring their work. Thelarger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot hasbeen done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months tofacilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are opento interested people who would be actively involved. They are notgripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but workingmeetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate.Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previousmeeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation anddistribution of the campus guideline for psychological healthtreatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the culturalthings that may underlie meditator communal mental health.Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rankin the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of thewhole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, andmovement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lastingwithin and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak andparticipate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone wasasked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questionsin short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and posterboards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read throughout the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words andwithout statement what do you see the problem is here in thecommunity culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went aroundthe room. Then once everything was on the boards in front ofeveryone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about allthat was said? It went around the room to everyone includingmovement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range offeelings.Lastlarge question of the group was something like, in
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I respect you for making a living from being independent. What I object to is your insistence again and again on using the words art and artist. You must have some nerve to use those words about yourself and the stuff you are doing. M: I already tried to help you with your word comprehension problem. Let's see if Mr. Dictionary can help: Webster ART : something that is created with imagination and skill and that is beautiful or that expresses important ideas or feelings What you are trying to do it to impose your personal standards as the arbiter of what is and is not art. Your snob take on the term was the enemy of guys like the blues men whose music I preserve. Even your beloved Jimi faced this kind of criticism. Turns out that the field of art is bigger than just what you prefer. One of my goals in schools is to fight this presumptive elitism in art so that people can feel encouraged to express their feelings in art without the tyranny of such judgement that kills creativity. Do you know who I find are the biggest purveyors of your view of art? People who don't create any themselves. My art form is music. I am a teaching artist in schools. My CDs are my artistic expression. I create and appreciate art every day of my life. I actively promote the view that art is a human birthright, not some elitist cocktail party with velvet ropes with a guy like you with a sour face saying: I don't think you can come in to my private party. You are not in charge of what is or is not art. The blues represents the opposite view at its core. All my heroes in the blues where self taught folk musicians. They faced the wall of such pretensions of what art IS their whole lives and made very little money because of it. I champion all the music styles that are from the people's hearts directly without the stamp of approval from people who think THEIR opinion defines art. You personally don't like my music. OK I can live with that. But please don't try to elevate your opinion to being more than that. My music is my art. Take it or leave it, but save the lectures about what is real art for the kind of people who don't work in the field every day. N: It undermines whatever else you have to say because you have glued dilettanterie to your endeavors, at least in my opinion. M: There are online dictionaries you know. dilettante: : a person whose interest in an art or in an area of knowledge is not very deep or serious. I make a living as an expert in 1920's and 1930's acoustic blues through educational performances of the style. I am fucking serious about it. You who have never been at one of my shows or even listened to my CDs have no clue how deep this river runs. And since you mention a great american photographer and artist Ansel Adams, even Cartier-Bresson claimed he himself was not an artist. He was a great artists by any standard to most of us ofcourse, but he had higher ideas about the word art. That's real humility, something you perhaps lack. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. M: I haven't deleted any videos but then I don't post all of the ones of me. My two CDs are at CDBaby.com. I have sold thousands of them and won some awards for them. I am very proud of them. Each contains 6 original songs and 6 covers songs preserving the acoustic blues era and performed live as a one man band in the studio. With Christmas coming I'm sure you will want to buy several for your family and friends. Curtis Blues | CD Baby Music Store http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues Curtis Blues | CD Baby Music Store http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues Listen to and buy Curtis Blues music on CD Baby, the independent record store by musicians for musicians. View on www.cdbaby.com http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/CurtisBlues Preview by Yahoo Reflecting on my job through this discussion has been interesting. One aspect of my job is public and because everyone believes their opinions are so precious they share them freely. It is a big obstacle for many artists and some are tormented by it long into their rise to fame and fortune. The key is to focus on your own artistic standards and the people who you solicit opinions from: people you trust and people you pay. I paid a producer to help me with my second CD and the results were so much better than my first. The advice was invaluable and helped me grow as an artist. Imagine this Nabbie. Some guy you have never met, a friend of a friend on Facebook sees a shapshot you took on vacation posted by someone else. It may or may not have been the one you would
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This will do as a headline: dilettante: : a person whose interest in an art or in an area of knowledge is not very deep or serious. You who have never been at one of my shows or even listened to my CDs have no clue how deep this river runs. That's right, my opinion is formed by the stuff you voluntarily and for some obscure reasons post on youtube. That is more than enough to form an opinion. I also see that you continue labelling yourself as an artist. It's strange but hardly surprising. It's as if you're saying to yourself over and over again, dammit, I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist trying to convince yourself that it's true. Well, I beg to differ, and think you can live with that. Websters definition of art is good. Hopefully, in your own ears what you do is beautiful and skillfull. There will always be those who clap their hands or donate a dollar. It doesn't necessarily mean they have a clue or even think that they are enjoying art. But if it makes you happy to think so, why not, at least it doesn't hurt anyone. There are worse things going on than some fellow living in delusion of self-grandiosity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I respect you for making a living from being independent. What I object to is your insistence again and again on using the words art and artist. You must have some nerve to use those words about yourself and the stuff you are doing. M: I already tried to help you with your word comprehension problem. Let's see if Mr. Dictionary can help: Webster ART : something that is created with imagination and skill and that is beautiful or that expresses important ideas or feelings What you are trying to do it to impose your personal standards as the arbiter of what is and is not art. Your snob take on the term was the enemy of guys like the blues men whose music I preserve. Even your beloved Jimi faced this kind of criticism. Turns out that the field of art is bigger than just what you prefer. One of my goals in schools is to fight this presumptive elitism in art so that people can feel encouraged to express their feelings in art without the tyranny of such judgement that kills creativity. Do you know who I find are the biggest purveyors of your view of art? People who don't create any themselves. My art form is music. I am a teaching artist in schools. My CDs are my artistic expression. I create and appreciate art every day of my life. I actively promote the view that art is a human birthright, not some elitist cocktail party with velvet ropes with a guy like you with a sour face saying: I don't think you can come in to my private party. You are not in charge of what is or is not art. The blues represents the opposite view at its core. All my heroes in the blues where self taught folk musicians. They faced the wall of such pretensions of what art IS their whole lives and made very little money because of it. I champion all the music styles that are from the people's hearts directly without the stamp of approval from people who think THEIR opinion defines art. You personally don't like my music. OK I can live with that. But please don't try to elevate your opinion to being more than that. My music is my art. Take it or leave it, but save the lectures about what is real art for the kind of people who don't work in the field every day. N: It undermines whatever else you have to say because you have glued dilettanterie to your endeavors, at least in my opinion. M: There are online dictionaries you know. dilettante: : a person whose interest in an art or in an area of knowledge is not very deep or serious. I make a living as an expert in 1920's and 1930's acoustic blues through educational performances of the style. I am fucking serious about it. You who have never been at one of my shows or even listened to my CDs have no clue how deep this river runs. And since you mention a great american photographer and artist Ansel Adams, even Cartier-Bresson claimed he himself was not an artist. He was a great artists by any standard to most of us ofcourse, but he had higher ideas about the word art. That's real humility, something you perhaps lack. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The noise you produce was even worse when playing inside a room with a microphone in a video you probably deleted. For good reasons. M: I haven't deleted any videos but then I don't post all of the ones of me. My two CDs are at CDBaby.com. I have sold thousands of them and won some awards for them. I am very proud of them. Each contains 6 original songs and 6 covers songs preserving the acoustic blues era and performed live as a one man band in the studio. With Christmas coming I'm sure you will want to buy
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The fact that they had that jackass Bob Schneider, a cardiologist, doing a lecture on Vedic psychiatry which was primarily more Movement bullshit of think sweet thoughts, don't think negative thoughts, read Hindoo scriptures and do TM - that says what the Movement really thinks and is doing about TM suicides than the community meetings they are participating in ONLY to save face and put on a good show until they can get the people suffering from depression alone to tell them its their fault, their karma, they just aren't pure enough yet, so more TM Siddhi practice and some yagyas as well as a good big fat donation to the Movement will cure them. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!! I'm sure we'll see whether what they offer officially is of any worth. Seems to me that if they break down the mystique of TM as the single greatest thing for human development then it will only be a matter of time before someone questions the validity of their position on the unified field of consciousness and all that that entails. Maybe they'll even start to wonder about the ME or yagya's, from small acorns can mighty oaks grow. Or the other way round of course! There is no excuse for continuing to preach an all encompassing world view without any evidence to back it up and still call it a science. Shorn of the religious hyperbole the TMO might become a more realistic school of thought and might do more good in the world when it isn't scaring off anyone who doesn't like the sight of crowns and ranks of chanting Hindoo boys and teaching astrology in schools. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : salyavin808asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here
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You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
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Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker says, Same shit, different day. It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as provocative as dirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
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salyavin808 asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,, # # Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and have a better day. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!” No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often is everything. That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of that process when she was here. Ann
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the most salient point of all this is that it is being done OUTSIDE the Movement - it is NOT being conducted by the Movement, nor the university thou they may be involved to some extent (you know Beddinger has to be there to take names). The Movement will NEVER acknowledge anything this sensible unless they are forced to. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness salyavin808asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,, # # Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and have a better day. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!” No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his