Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Trouble, Thanks for the corrections. I don't actually own a Mac myself although I have used them a few times at my relatives' house. So I do appreciate the updated information. However, my main point was to point out that just because someone invests in a Mac or Linux PC it isn't the end of the world for Windows applications. There are ways of getting around that problem like running Windows via Boot Camp, using VM Ware, creating a multiboot, whatever. I've even managed to get some accessible games going under wine, but it is a massive pain in the rear to get working since you have to copy, cut, and paste a lot of dependencies into wine from Windows XP. Some games are easier to get working under emulation than others. Some games like Q9 and Kringle Crash would be easier to get running under wine just because it is written in C++ and basically requires DirectX 8 which can easily be setup under wine. Jim Kitchens games on the other hand require DirectX 8, Sapi 5, Visual Basic 6, and all the dependencies they depend on which becomes a mess of libraries and files to install to get it working. Equally bad are Che's .NET based games for roughly the same reasons. Too many dependencies requiring too many other dependencies to resolve realistically for emulation. So running games via wine is pretty hit and miss, but it can be done in some cases. Trouble wrote: Just to clear a few things up. With boot camp your second op is not running in virtual mode. It is running under full system resources. So on the new mac's it would be like a regular pc. Now if you want the best of both worlds and ops. You can run them together with the second op in the virtual world with either fusion or virtual box. That lets them run side by side sharing resources. Now we also have a third option with peroral for mac. it lets you install and run the pc software under the mac op. The only bust here is not all software will run that way but a lot will. With this new mac op you can even install it on a pc. They call them hackintoshes. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Shaun, These days with software like Boot Camp that's not altogether true. There are ways of having the best of both worlds. It is just that many Windows users don't know about them so they are afraid to invest in a Mac or Linux system believing as you do that they have to give up all their Windows games and favorite applications to go Mac or Linux. While it is certainly true the majority of software is specifically designed for Windows with the availability of virtual machines that is more an annoyance than a serious problem for a Mac or Linux user. For example, if you were to purchase a brand new Intel based MacBook with Mac OS 10.6you would get the standard Mac OS operating system complete with the VoiceOver screen reader, ITunes media player, Safari web browser, and all the rest of the common Mac applications. If you then wanted your Windows applications you can install Windows XP on that machine via Boot Camp and run Windows XP as a virtual machine. That way you can keep all your games, and other important Windows software too. Running Windows under a virtual machine is a tad bit slower than running it natively of course, but it is the best solution available to us currently. The upside though is you can still use Mac OS as your primary operating system and boot into Windows to access stuff you would otherwise not be able to use. With Linux these days there are multiple solutions to choose from. If you wanted to try out the base operating system without formatting your hard drive you can run Ubuntu Linux directly off the cd. It runs slower, but it does allow someone to run Linux without making any changes to Windows. Other solutions involve installing it to a USB thumb drive and booting from that, or you can just stick the Ubuntu cd in your computer and do a quick and easy multiboot setup from Windows directly. You can use a third-party solution such as VM Ware which allows you to install Windows as a virtual machine under Linux. Either way you decide to do it you can easily run both while not giving up anything in the process. Bottom line, there are ways to run Windows along side your operating system of choice to have the best of both worlds. It need not be a one or the other situation. Cheers! shaun everiss wrote: hmmm i would, but since most stuff is windows based I can't. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Just to clear a few things up. With boot camp your second op is not running in virtual mode. It is running under full system resources. So on the new mac's it would be like a regular pc. Now if you want the best of both worlds and ops. You can run them together with the second op in the virtual world with either fusion or virtual box. That lets them run side by side sharing resources. Now we also have a third option with peroral for mac. it lets you install and run the pc software under the mac op. The only bust here is not all software will run that way but a lot will. With this new mac op you can even install it on a pc. They call them hackintoshes. At 04:39 AM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Hi Shaun, These days with software like Boot Camp that's not altogether true. There are ways of having the best of both worlds. It is just that many Windows users don't know about them so they are afraid to invest in a Mac or Linux system believing as you do that they have to give up all their Windows games and favorite applications to go Mac or Linux. While it is certainly true the majority of software is specifically designed for Windows with the availability of virtual machines that is more an annoyance than a serious problem for a Mac or Linux user. For example, if you were to purchase a brand new Intel based MacBook with Mac OS 10.6you would get the standard Mac OS operating system complete with the VoiceOver screen reader, ITunes media player, Safari web browser, and all the rest of the common Mac applications. If you then wanted your Windows applications you can install Windows XP on that machine via Boot Camp and run Windows XP as a virtual machine. That way you can keep all your games, and other important Windows software too. Running Windows under a virtual machine is a tad bit slower than running it natively of course, but it is the best solution available to us currently. The upside though is you can still use Mac OS as your primary operating system and boot into Windows to access stuff you would otherwise not be able to use. With Linux these days there are multiple solutions to choose from. If you wanted to try out the base operating system without formatting your hard drive you can run Ubuntu Linux directly off the cd. It runs slower, but it does allow someone to run Linux without making any changes to Windows. Other solutions involve installing it to a USB thumb drive and booting from that, or you can just stick the Ubuntu cd in your computer and do a quick and easy multiboot setup from Windows directly. You can use a third-party solution such as VM Ware which allows you to install Windows as a virtual machine under Linux. Either way you decide to do it you can easily run both while not giving up anything in the process. Bottom line, there are ways to run Windows along side your operating system of choice to have the best of both worlds. It need not be a one or the other situation. Cheers! shaun everiss wrote: hmmm i would, but since most stuff is windows based I can't. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble Verizon FIOS support tech Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
I heard about that. apple made a bit of fuss a bit late in the game to say they were not happy about it but it didn't stay up there for long, and my guess is they were annoyed enough to put up a small objection but not to much really. At 01:35 a.m. 4/01/2010, you wrote: Just to clear a few things up. With boot camp your second op is not running in virtual mode. It is running under full system resources. So on the new mac's it would be like a regular pc. Now if you want the best of both worlds and ops. You can run them together with the second op in the virtual world with either fusion or virtual box. That lets them run side by side sharing resources. Now we also have a third option with peroral for mac. it lets you install and run the pc software under the mac op. The only bust here is not all software will run that way but a lot will. With this new mac op you can even install it on a pc. They call them hackintoshes. At 04:39 AM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Hi Shaun, These days with software like Boot Camp that's not altogether true. There are ways of having the best of both worlds. It is just that many Windows users don't know about them so they are afraid to invest in a Mac or Linux system believing as you do that they have to give up all their Windows games and favorite applications to go Mac or Linux. While it is certainly true the majority of software is specifically designed for Windows with the availability of virtual machines that is more an annoyance than a serious problem for a Mac or Linux user. For example, if you were to purchase a brand new Intel based MacBook with Mac OS 10.6you would get the standard Mac OS operating system complete with the VoiceOver screen reader, ITunes media player, Safari web browser, and all the rest of the common Mac applications. If you then wanted your Windows applications you can install Windows XP on that machine via Boot Camp and run Windows XP as a virtual machine. That way you can keep all your games, and other important Windows software too. Running Windows under a virtual machine is a tad bit slower than running it natively of course, but it is the best solution available to us currently. The upside though is you can still use Mac OS as your primary operating system and boot into Windows to access stuff you would otherwise not be able to use. With Linux these days there are multiple solutions to choose from. If you wanted to try out the base operating system without formatting your hard drive you can run Ubuntu Linux directly off the cd. It runs slower, but it does allow someone to run Linux without making any changes to Windows. Other solutions involve installing it to a USB thumb drive and booting from that, or you can just stick the Ubuntu cd in your computer and do a quick and easy multiboot setup from Windows directly. You can use a third-party solution such as VM Ware which allows you to install Windows as a virtual machine under Linux. Either way you decide to do it you can easily run both while not giving up anything in the process. Bottom line, there are ways to run Windows along side your operating system of choice to have the best of both worlds. It need not be a one or the other situation. Cheers! shaun everiss wrote: hmmm i would, but since most stuff is windows based I can't. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble Verizon FIOS support tech Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
There objection to the hackintosh is We won't support it, or update it. you will also be black listed for apple products. if you even ask them to go near it.. So they rest easy on that note. Now for windows running under or on mac hardware. It runs better then under pc proven fact. At 01:41 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote: I heard about that. apple made a bit of fuss a bit late in the game to say they were not happy about it but it didn't stay up there for long, and my guess is they were annoyed enough to put up a small objection but not to much really. At 01:35 a.m. 4/01/2010, you wrote: Just to clear a few things up. With boot camp your second op is not running in virtual mode. It is running under full system resources. So on the new mac's it would be like a regular pc. Now if you want the best of both worlds and ops. You can run them together with the second op in the virtual world with either fusion or virtual box. That lets them run side by side sharing resources. Now we also have a third option with peroral for mac. it lets you install and run the pc software under the mac op. The only bust here is not all software will run that way but a lot will. With this new mac op you can even install it on a pc. They call them hackintoshes. At 04:39 AM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Hi Shaun, These days with software like Boot Camp that's not altogether true. There are ways of having the best of both worlds. It is just that many Windows users don't know about them so they are afraid to invest in a Mac or Linux system believing as you do that they have to give up all their Windows games and favorite applications to go Mac or Linux. While it is certainly true the majority of software is specifically designed for Windows with the availability of virtual machines that is more an annoyance than a serious problem for a Mac or Linux user. For example, if you were to purchase a brand new Intel based MacBook with Mac OS 10.6you would get the standard Mac OS operating system complete with the VoiceOver screen reader, ITunes media player, Safari web browser, and all the rest of the common Mac applications. If you then wanted your Windows applications you can install Windows XP on that machine via Boot Camp and run Windows XP as a virtual machine. That way you can keep all your games, and other important Windows software too. Running Windows under a virtual machine is a tad bit slower than running it natively of course, but it is the best solution available to us currently. The upside though is you can still use Mac OS as your primary operating system and boot into Windows to access stuff you would otherwise not be able to use. With Linux these days there are multiple solutions to choose from. If you wanted to try out the base operating system without formatting your hard drive you can run Ubuntu Linux directly off the cd. It runs slower, but it does allow someone to run Linux without making any changes to Windows. Other solutions involve installing it to a USB thumb drive and booting from that, or you can just stick the Ubuntu cd in your computer and do a quick and easy multiboot setup from Windows directly. You can use a third-party solution such as VM Ware which allows you to install Windows as a virtual machine under Linux. Either way you decide to do it you can easily run both while not giving up anything in the process. Bottom line, there are ways to run Windows along side your operating system of choice to have the best of both worlds. It need not be a one or the other situation. Cheers! shaun everiss wrote: hmmm i would, but since most stuff is windows based I can't. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble Verizon FIOS support tech Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
well I have no issue with hackentosh stuff being unsupported its not exactly using apple hardware really. At 11:03 a.m. 4/01/2010, you wrote: There objection to the hackintosh is We won't support it, or update it. you will also be black listed for apple products. if you even ask them to go near it.. So they rest easy on that note. Now for windows running under or on mac hardware. It runs better then under pc proven fact. At 01:41 PM 1/3/2010, you wrote: I heard about that. apple made a bit of fuss a bit late in the game to say they were not happy about it but it didn't stay up there for long, and my guess is they were annoyed enough to put up a small objection but not to much really. At 01:35 a.m. 4/01/2010, you wrote: Just to clear a few things up. With boot camp your second op is not running in virtual mode. It is running under full system resources. So on the new mac's it would be like a regular pc. Now if you want the best of both worlds and ops. You can run them together with the second op in the virtual world with either fusion or virtual box. That lets them run side by side sharing resources. Now we also have a third option with peroral for mac. it lets you install and run the pc software under the mac op. The only bust here is not all software will run that way but a lot will. With this new mac op you can even install it on a pc. They call them hackintoshes. At 04:39 AM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Hi Shaun, These days with software like Boot Camp that's not altogether true. There are ways of having the best of both worlds. It is just that many Windows users don't know about them so they are afraid to invest in a Mac or Linux system believing as you do that they have to give up all their Windows games and favorite applications to go Mac or Linux. While it is certainly true the majority of software is specifically designed for Windows with the availability of virtual machines that is more an annoyance than a serious problem for a Mac or Linux user. For example, if you were to purchase a brand new Intel based MacBook with Mac OS 10.6you would get the standard Mac OS operating system complete with the VoiceOver screen reader, ITunes media player, Safari web browser, and all the rest of the common Mac applications. If you then wanted your Windows applications you can install Windows XP on that machine via Boot Camp and run Windows XP as a virtual machine. That way you can keep all your games, and other important Windows software too. Running Windows under a virtual machine is a tad bit slower than running it natively of course, but it is the best solution available to us currently. The upside though is you can still use Mac OS as your primary operating system and boot into Windows to access stuff you would otherwise not be able to use. With Linux these days there are multiple solutions to choose from. If you wanted to try out the base operating system without formatting your hard drive you can run Ubuntu Linux directly off the cd. It runs slower, but it does allow someone to run Linux without making any changes to Windows. Other solutions involve installing it to a USB thumb drive and booting from that, or you can just stick the Ubuntu cd in your computer and do a quick and easy multiboot setup from Windows directly. You can use a third-party solution such as VM Ware which allows you to install Windows as a virtual machine under Linux. Either way you decide to do it you can easily run both while not giving up anything in the process. Bottom line, there are ways to run Windows along side your operating system of choice to have the best of both worlds. It need not be a one or the other situation. Cheers! shaun everiss wrote: hmmm i would, but since most stuff is windows based I can't. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. Tim trouble Verizon FIOS support tech Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
That makes sense Tom, though I do want a machine which will do what i WANT IT TO. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH ON THE KEYBOARD END THOUGH, Hal's laptop layout I've never had a problem with, indeed I've used it for significantly longer than the desktop layout which also uses the numbpad, as up until 2005, I've always used laptops. It was in fact playing audio games which encouraged me to try the desktop layout in the first place, BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF AUDIO GAMES OBVIOUSLY USE f KEYS BUT NOT THE NUMBPAD, AND THUS IT'S LESS necessary to turn Hal's keys off when using the desktop layout. I can now freely use either without an issue. While I agree things like Lynux compatibility don't bother me too much, i would be irritated if for instance audio playback was of worse quality, so if I do decide to buy a netbook I'll be looking carefully at sound cards. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
toshiba is sort of a favourite family make, my brothers' 9 year old machine is stil working, as is my 7 year old one (though the fan needs replacing). I did once try an acer, but found it notoriously problematic and unrelyable compared to toshiba, in fact, this laptop I'm using now which is four years old and in perfect working order is a toshiba. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
well the reason I like toshiba over most stuff is that it hardly crashes. the satelites do a bit more but they are stable. the tecra is almost indestructible. though its come close. The major selling point about toshiba over other systems is because its got almost accessible programs, and full access from the os to the bios including changing settings on the fly. At 10:40 p.m. 2/01/2010, you wrote: toshiba is sort of a favourite family make, my brothers' 9 year old machine is stil working, as is my 7 year old one (though the fan needs replacing). I did once try an acer, but found it notoriously problematic and unrelyable compared to toshiba, in fact, this laptop I'm using now which is four years old and in perfect working order is a toshiba. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Thomas, Hmmm...you have had issues with Compak? I've had mine for several years now, and all I've ever had is software issues. Interesting. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:57 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Dark, Hmmm...I've had some pretty good luck with Toshiba laptops over the years. I've used a couple different moddels, and have no lasting complaints. My Compaq laptop on the other hand has had some rather serious hardware issues like a dvd rom drive that died a couple of months after I baught the laptop, and now the right shift key has stopped working. So I don't think I'd ever buy another Compaq, but would probably invest in another Toshiba in the future. dark wrote: True tom, in fact when I was physically looking at netbooks (mostly to check the keyboards), at the Uk electrical retailers curries, i did see something i initially thought was a netbook, but was in fact a toshiba laptop running windows 7. Provided compatibility with games etc isn't such an issue, I might also considder that as an option. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Dark, Ah...As I said I have yet to find a Toshiba laptop I haven't liked. Everyone I've owned and used was a good one. Plus I've ran Windows and Linux on them successfully so they are at the top of my list of recommended brands. Running games on them is equally pretty decent for a laptop. Cheers! dark wrote: toshiba is sort of a favourite family make, my brothers' 9 year old machine is stil working, as is my 7 year old one (though the fan needs replacing). I did once try an acer, but found it notoriously problematic and unrelyable compared to toshiba, in fact, this laptop I'm using now which is four years old and in perfect working order is a toshiba. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Shaun, Very true. Plus I've noticed Toshiba is pretty open to the idea of supporting other operating systems besides Windows. Del does as well, but I've found a few brands like Averatec that are almost impossible to run anything but Windows on it. So add the reliability of the Toshiba notebooks with the fact they use pretty generic hardware makes them one of my favorite brands. I've yet to find one I haven't liked, or had any serious issues with. Cheers! shaun everiss wrote: well the reason I like toshiba over most stuff is that it hardly crashes. the satelites do a bit more but they are stable. the tecra is almost indestructible. though its come close. The major selling point about toshiba over other systems is because its got almost accessible programs, and full access from the os to the bios including changing settings on the fly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
they even have this cool tts voice but my sisters tushiba doesn't seem to have it. only anna. *sad* also to add to compac failures. a guy left his on for the night to... burn something I think. when he woke up one of the keys was very hot and it was falling off. he left it on for a while more, the keys started to melt. ok, now that is weird. my acer did go hot a few tmes but it hs a nice anty heat system where if it's too hot t'll cut power and not let you boot for a while. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Shaun, Very true. Plus I've noticed Toshiba is pretty open to the idea of supporting other operating systems besides Windows. Del does as well, but I've found a few brands like Averatec that are almost impossible to run anything but Windows on it. So add the reliability of the Toshiba notebooks with the fact they use pretty generic hardware makes them one of my favorite brands. I've yet to find one I haven't liked, or had any serious issues with. Cheers! shaun everiss wrote: well the reason I like toshiba over most stuff is that it hardly crashes. the satelites do a bit more but they are stable. the tecra is almost indestructible. though its come close. The major selling point about toshiba over other systems is because its got almost accessible programs, and full access from the os to the bios including changing settings on the fly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Hayden, Yes, my wife and I both have had technical problems with our Compaq notebooks. The right shift key stopped working on mine, and both of ours have had problems with the dvd drive that came with the system. I had to replace mine, and my wifes stopped working and just before we sent it back to get repaired the drive started working again for no reason at all. Then, to top it off my wife ran some driver update that the system said she needed, it screwed up her computer, and I had to use a restore point to fix the problem. I've had more problems with those computers in the passed year than I've had with any other laptop I've ever owned. So I'd say Compaq has been moved down pretty low on my list of recommended brands to buy. Cheers! Hayden Presley wrote: Hi Thomas, Hmmm...you have had issues with Compak? I've had mine for several years now, and all I've ever had is software issues. Interesting. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Peter, Fortunately, my Compaq notebook has never gotten so hot it started melting keys. That sounds very very bad. in fact, I've left mine on all night before doing a download or something and it was fine the next morning. Although, laptops in general aren't designed to be left on for hours at a time. peter Mahach wrote: they even have this cool tts voice but my sisters tushiba doesn't seem to have it. only anna. *sad* also to add to compac failures. a guy left his on for the night to... burn something I think. when he woke up one of the keys was very hot and it was falling off. he left it on for a while more, the keys started to melt. ok, now that is weird. my acer did go hot a few tmes but it hs a nice anty heat system where if it's too hot t'll cut power and not let you boot for a while. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Once again, Toshiba show their godliness! while I do give mine the odd rest, I have a couple of times left it downloading, and once even went to sleep with it on, and it's been fine! Even my 7 year old one is stil fine provided you turn it off for five minutes every three hours or so. Funnily enough, getting a desktop which can be left on virtually indeffinately after being on laptops for years felt very weerd to me. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Peter, Fortunately, my Compaq notebook has never gotten so hot it started melting keys. That sounds very very bad. in fact, I've left mine on all night before doing a download or something and it was fine the next morning. Although, laptops in general aren't designed to be left on for hours at a time. peter Mahach wrote: they even have this cool tts voice but my sisters tushiba doesn't seem to have it. only anna. *sad* also to add to compac failures. a guy left his on for the night to... burn something I think. when he woke up one of the keys was very hot and it was falling off. he left it on for a while more, the keys started to melt. ok, now that is weird. my acer did go hot a few tmes but it hs a nice anty heat system where if it's too hot t'll cut power and not let you boot for a while. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
well the satelites can be a bit hmph but they do run ok for a bit. At 05:24 a.m. 3/01/2010, you wrote: Hi Dark, Ah...As I said I have yet to find a Toshiba laptop I haven't liked. Everyone I've owned and used was a good one. Plus I've ran Windows and Linux on them successfully so they are at the top of my list of recommended brands. Running games on them is equally pretty decent for a laptop. Cheers! dark wrote: toshiba is sort of a favourite family make, my brothers' 9 year old machine is stil working, as is my 7 year old one (though the fan needs replacing). I did once try an acer, but found it notoriously problematic and unrelyable compared to toshiba, in fact, this laptop I'm using now which is four years old and in perfect working order is a toshiba. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
well toshiba like to say they can run with any system. there are toshiba hardware things on the system like the modem, and some other protection systems finger print scanners and the like but most of it is generic. The issue I have with dels in general is the fact that once you install the system it makes a default account, however thats not to bad, except after install you need to load resource and experience and media cds on the system. using site you then have to install drivers from visual programs. ofcause I tell most to just give me the modem, network, cd/dvd drive, cpu, other system hardware and sound. The only good thing so far is that most dels I come accross use soundmax as their sound. This is crap but works for most part. Another company I hate is nec but maybe because I got a system with a faulty fan and something else. after updating bios I got the system beeping and well after that that was that the system was all dead. On that subject since I would imagine we will have to shut this down soon thats another reason I like toshiba. The bios update software function is internal, I think there is a limited dos inside the bios to update it. The software is smart to compair the version of itself against the version currently flashed. If both are the same, or the version is newer than itself it won't upgrade. if the version of the bios is older then it does. it also beeps in the right places. one beep to start then the system beeps, in fact it may even shut down and reboot back into the os afterwards. With no effect what so ever. Nec update booted into its own dos. check the bios, and run. However for whatever reason the software just updated without checking. and on checking realised things were the same fell over after deleting the entire bios ofcause. Thats one reason that I have not switched to a desktop, I also like the quietness of the system and the fact I can take it round. on that note though, do toshiba do desktops? if so I am so upgrading the main system to a toshiba. At 05:37 a.m. 3/01/2010, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Very true. Plus I've noticed Toshiba is pretty open to the idea of supporting other operating systems besides Windows. Del does as well, but I've found a few brands like Averatec that are almost impossible to run anything but Windows on it. So add the reliability of the Toshiba notebooks with the fact they use pretty generic hardware makes them one of my favorite brands. I've yet to find one I haven't liked, or had any serious issues with. Cheers! shaun everiss wrote: well the reason I like toshiba over most stuff is that it hardly crashes. the satelites do a bit more but they are stable. the tecra is almost indestructible. though its come close. The major selling point about toshiba over other systems is because its got almost accessible programs, and full access from the os to the bios including changing settings on the fly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
I left mine a few times as well. apart from the fact that I had to sleep in another room due to the fans, it was working perfectly. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Once again, Toshiba show their godliness! while I do give mine the odd rest, I have a couple of times left it downloading, and once even went to sleep with it on, and it's been fine! Even my 7 year old one is stil fine provided you turn it off for five minutes every three hours or so. Funnily enough, getting a desktop which can be left on virtually indeffinately after being on laptops for years felt very weerd to me. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Peter, Fortunately, my Compaq notebook has never gotten so hot it started melting keys. That sounds very very bad. in fact, I've left mine on all night before doing a download or something and it was fine the next morning. Although, laptops in general aren't designed to be left on for hours at a time. peter Mahach wrote: they even have this cool tts voice but my sisters tushiba doesn't seem to have it. only anna. *sad* also to add to compac failures. a guy left his on for the night to... burn something I think. when he woke up one of the keys was very hot and it was falling off. he left it on for a while more, the keys started to melt. ok, now that is weird. my acer did go hot a few tmes but it hs a nice anty heat system where if it's too hot t'll cut power and not let you boot for a while. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
well I'm with you there. nec had an issue where the system was broke but they didn't care and didn't think anything was wrong. I have had my toshiba get rather hot during the summer months it does put out heat like an open fire. However I would know if the fans were failing they tend to change pitch and rattle. One reason why I replaced my fan in my satelite was because it made bad noises. The system will also shut off if its to hot. And if something was failing I could run a diagnostic. its quite visual to start but puts out a good report including serial and other numbers of parts. if something was wrong I could put the issue down tell support and I'd either get it serviced or do it myself. Another thing with toshiba is the fact they are flexable, their recovery partitions are usable by us blinks from within the system to make the rec disks or dvds the dvds themself are not accessible however I think for a small price say 100 bucks you can replace them and if you have a lagit concern I think they may be flexable. On nec I had to really go almost legal to get the recovery partition removed after it mangled itself and then get a cd I still needed a boot disk. Thats the last time I let a funding agency tell me what and where I can get my stuff from. the cheapest pace and cheapist system all turn out to be crap, never had such a load of issues from my computer. On the subject of the toshiba tts voice its not with every system though support will probably tell you that if you want a spaciffic something some programs are universal you just have to find em. I did not like the voice myself I pulled it once. At 05:51 a.m. 3/01/2010, you wrote: they even have this cool tts voice but my sisters tushiba doesn't seem to have it. only anna. *sad* also to add to compac failures. a guy left his on for the night to... burn something I think. when he woke up one of the keys was very hot and it was falling off. he left it on for a while more, the keys started to melt. ok, now that is weird. my acer did go hot a few tmes but it hs a nice anty heat system where if it's too hot t'll cut power and not let you boot for a while. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Shaun, Very true. Plus I've noticed Toshiba is pretty open to the idea of supporting other operating systems besides Windows. Del does as well, but I've found a few brands like Averatec that are almost impossible to run anything but Windows on it. So add the reliability of the Toshiba notebooks with the fact they use pretty generic hardware makes them one of my favorite brands. I've yet to find one I haven't liked, or had any serious issues with. Cheers! shaun everiss wrote: well the reason I like toshiba over most stuff is that it hardly crashes. the satelites do a bit more but they are stable. the tecra is almost indestructible. though its come close. The major selling point about toshiba over other systems is because its got almost accessible programs, and full access from the os to the bios including changing settings on the fly. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
actually the safest stuff to buy is a non branded system. We have a couple an amd and an intel. Both of these were got all in pieces and put together by a tech we know it costs us parts but still. No branded things means except for what comes with the dvd drive and other drivers we can run lightly. At any rate with all the systems I have including the new ones for grandpa I have uninstalled everything almost like my toshiba. I have only the stuff loaded to keep things going. drives, diag utility and some others. all visual power and config and security is removed or rather as much as i can. The longest running laptop with my toshiba 1850t series on dos 6.22 Its actually been the most abused system. its been dropped off a desk, has had cousins shoving things into its ports broken keyboards and other things. all in all after loads of patches its been going for about 8 years till its hdd and floppy drives died for the third time and it dropped again causing the battery holder to snap and the battery getting rather hot. I think it wanted to go to heaven I had no space and tearfully let it go. Since that I have not had a system lasting as long with exception of the nec which lasted 2 years the other systems lasted 6 years the other satelite did anyway with all my abuse. the satelite a10 I have had for about 6 years failed after overuse of its cd writer caused that to not read cds and it currently will not boot, at any rate its screen does not stay up it flopps and such so it was probably due for a replacement, also the second fan is seasing up again. I have no idea what will happen when this system the tecra a9 dies. depends if we are all in win7 or not. I may have to bite the bullet and get win7 or whatever at that point. Ofcause i have slower systems but hmph. Oh well maybe I will be able to spend 730 bucks on myself and get a desktop with win xp its not portable which is why I still like laptops its also bigger. At 06:03 a.m. 3/01/2010, you wrote: Hi Hayden, Yes, my wife and I both have had technical problems with our Compaq notebooks. The right shift key stopped working on mine, and both of ours have had problems with the dvd drive that came with the system. I had to replace mine, and my wifes stopped working and just before we sent it back to get repaired the drive started working again for no reason at all. Then, to top it off my wife ran some driver update that the system said she needed, it screwed up her computer, and I had to use a restore point to fix the problem. I've had more problems with those computers in the passed year than I've had with any other laptop I've ever owned. So I'd say Compaq has been moved down pretty low on my list of recommended brands to buy. Cheers! Hayden Presley wrote: Hi Thomas, Hmmm...you have had issues with Compak? I've had mine for several years now, and all I've ever had is software issues. Interesting. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
its funny how the older stuff seems to last longer than the newer stuff. The registry is more stable than it was but it can still get mangled. file systems are better. However in the old days, win98 or win95 you could run almost on nothing at all. ofcause registry was simpler then. in early xp and nt before dcm mirror drivers and the like it was easy to unchain the system tget it not bootable at all simply by running 2 screenreaders at once. or plugging in a dectalk and trying to run it in sam. In fact the dectalk issue still exist though its been fixed with removal of serial ports. Even win311 had a registry. However in dos it was real simple. you could run what you wanted. if something serious software wise went wrong the most you would have to do was delete a config file, replace the program in question or replace the os. all without a reformat unless adriver mangled and then you just repaced that, ofcause not withstanding hardware failier and the fact everything was direct connect with no protective layer meaning stuff could steal others space. Laptops in the 80s and early 90s didn't even have fans and were really quiet for their time. At 06:08 a.m. 3/01/2010, you wrote: Hi Peter, Fortunately, my Compaq notebook has never gotten so hot it started melting keys. That sounds very very bad. in fact, I've left mine on all night before doing a download or something and it was fine the next morning. Although, laptops in general aren't designed to be left on for hours at a time. peter Mahach wrote: they even have this cool tts voice but my sisters tushiba doesn't seem to have it. only anna. *sad* also to add to compac failures. a guy left his on for the night to... burn something I think. when he woke up one of the keys was very hot and it was falling off. he left it on for a while more, the keys started to melt. ok, now that is weird. my acer did go hot a few tmes but it hs a nice anty heat system where if it's too hot t'll cut power and not let you boot for a while. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
well I don't leave the laptop on all the time unless I am getting something. This is mainly because I sleep with the thing and frett about it also up to now fans keep me awake. However once I was hacked and didn't notice it till I woke up. I have had this laptop and other systems suffer a bit without rebooting every so often. my dad's system was left on all night and it needed a reboot in the morning didn't run fine afterwards. Whilst I can have things mostly stable my old hal and jaws are not fully stable depending on ie, system events, etc. The only reason I have left things on is if I can get things with ftp though I don't anymore unless I need to. The only reason I leave things on are for defrags, big virus scans and hard drive wipes. At 06:25 a.m. 3/01/2010, you wrote: Once again, Toshiba show their godliness! while I do give mine the odd rest, I have a couple of times left it downloading, and once even went to sleep with it on, and it's been fine! Even my 7 year old one is stil fine provided you turn it off for five minutes every three hours or so. Funnily enough, getting a desktop which can be left on virtually indeffinately after being on laptops for years felt very weerd to me. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Peter, Fortunately, my Compaq notebook has never gotten so hot it started melting keys. That sounds very very bad. in fact, I've left mine on all night before doing a download or something and it was fine the next morning. Although, laptops in general aren't designed to be left on for hours at a time. peter Mahach wrote: they even have this cool tts voice but my sisters tushiba doesn't seem to have it. only anna. *sad* also to add to compac failures. a guy left his on for the night to... burn something I think. when he woke up one of the keys was very hot and it was falling off. he left it on for a while more, the keys started to melt. ok, now that is weird. my acer did go hot a few tmes but it hs a nice anty heat system where if it's too hot t'll cut power and not let you boot for a while. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Shaun, Yeah, most Del laptops I've seen have a Soundmax AC-97 sound card on them. It isn't the world's greatest sound card for games and multimedia, but it is ok. The one thing I happen to like about that sound card is the AC-97 is a very generic chipset and works with just about everything Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, etc right out of the box without requiring additional drivers. I happen to have that card in my Linux desktop, and it sounds better with games than the Creative Labs cards do. I actually removed my Audegy card from the system, because it constantly popped and hissed with both the Windows and Linux drivers so there is definitely something wrong with that card. Replacement cards were no better. So I'm actually happier with my cheap Soundmax card than the Audegy I went out and purchased extra. As for Toshiba they only make laptops. I've never known of a Toshiba desktop, because if there was one I think I'd go out and buy it. Although, I hand built my Linux desktop, and it is a much higher end system than the store brand computers. Building your own is almost always better bcause you can pick and choose every component that goes into th system insuring a high end reliable machine. Definitely desirable for gaming. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Shaun, Ah, that's another brand I don't recommend. I have seen my fair share of issues with NEC computers. I even have a personal name for them, National Equivalent of Crap, that dates back to my college days when I worked at the computer help desk. I remember quite clearly a case where someone I knew had a NEC purchased by her parents, and Jaws absolutely would not run on that system at all. I ended up talking her into convincing her family into buying her an AST which worked fine with Jaws. It is too bad AST is out of business now as I always liked their desktops. shaun everiss wrote: well I'm with you there. nec had an issue where the system was broke but they didn't care and didn't think anything was wrong. I have had my toshiba get rather hot during the summer months it does put out heat like an open fire. However I would know if the fans were failing they tend to change pitch and rattle. One reason why I replaced my fan in my satelite was because it made bad noises. The system will also shut off if its to hot. And if something was failing I could run a diagnostic. its quite visual to start but puts out a good report including serial and other numbers of parts. if something was wrong I could put the issue down tell support and I'd either get it serviced or do it myself. Another thing with toshiba is the fact they are flexable, their recovery partitions are usable by us blinks from within the system to make the rec disks or dvds the dvds themself are not accessible however I think for a small price say 100 bucks you can replace them and if you have a lagit concern I think they may be flexable. On nec I had to really go almost legal to get the recovery partition removed after it mangled itself and then get a cd I still needed a boot disk. Thats the last time I let a funding agency tell me what and where I can get my stuff from. the cheapest pace and cheapist system all turn out to be crap, never had such a load of issues from my computer. On the subject of the toshiba tts voice its not with every system though support will probably tell you that if you want a spaciffic something some programs are universal you just have to find em. I did not like the voice myself I pulled it once. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Shaun, Oh, don't get me started on the Windows registry. I hate the Windows registry with a passion simply because it is too easy to get damaged. One thing I do when I am repairing someone's system i always run a registry scan on them using Registry Mechanic or Registry Fix, and I usually get back a couple thousand errors which I have to tell it to scan and repair. Often times as not after I scan and repair the Windows registry the system performs better, runs faster, and there are less errors. So I'd say the registry is a prime candidate for Windows instability on a large percentage of computer systems. Other operating systems Mac OS, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, etc do not have a registry and tend to be much more stable and reliable than Windows. Instead of a system registry they store all of their settings in *.conf files located in the /etc and /usr/etc directories. Not only can you edit them by hand if you wish it is easy to backup and save your favorite configurations to an external drive. If you do a full system install you can simply restore your favorite *.conf files, and in seconds it is back the way it was before you reinstalled the system. Pretty cool eh? Anyway, we are getting way off the topic of games. So let's try and get this topic back on topic or close it. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
I know that all too well. I've screwed up my OS several times because the registry is so easy to screw up. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Shaun, Oh, don't get me started on the Windows registry. I hate the Windows registry with a passion simply because it is too easy to get damaged. One thing I do when I am repairing someone's system i always run a registry scan on them using Registry Mechanic or Registry Fix, and I usually get back a couple thousand errors which I have to tell it to scan and repair. Often times as not after I scan and repair the Windows registry the system performs better, runs faster, and there are less errors. So I'd say the registry is a prime candidate for Windows instability on a large percentage of computer systems. Other operating systems Mac OS, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, etc do not have a registry and tend to be much more stable and reliable than Windows. Instead of a system registry they store all of their settings in *.conf files located in the /etc and /usr/etc directories. Not only can you edit them by hand if you wish it is easy to backup and save your favorite configurations to an external drive. If you do a full system install you can simply restore your favorite *.conf files, and in seconds it is back the way it was before you reinstalled the system. Pretty cool eh? Anyway, we are getting way off the topic of games. So let's try and get this topic back on topic or close it. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
really? laptops in the 80's and 90's had no fans? btw if you want such stability, the lack of registry etc switch to a mac. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nzTo: Gamers __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
HHi Thomas, Sounds le you have certainly had a roller coaster ride with Compak. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:03 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Hayden, Yes, my wife and I both have had technical problems with our Compaq notebooks. The right shift key stopped working on mine, and both of ours have had problems with the dvd drive that came with the system. I had to replace mine, and my wifes stopped working and just before we sent it back to get repaired the drive started working again for no reason at all. Then, to top it off my wife ran some driver update that the system said she needed, it screwed up her computer, and I had to use a restore point to fix the problem. I've had more problems with those computers in the passed year than I've had with any other laptop I've ever owned. So I'd say Compaq has been moved down pretty low on my list of recommended brands to buy. Cheers! Hayden Presley wrote: Hi Thomas, Hmmm...you have had issues with Compak? I've had mine for several years now, and all I've ever had is software issues. Interesting. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
well I clear with reg scrub xp and it works fine. Though when I upgrade the system I want to have a free something that will do this and not be to aggressive. I need to install flash and shockwave after a clean because these always get mangled somehow but. At 07:50 a.m. 3/01/2010, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Oh, don't get me started on the Windows registry. I hate the Windows registry with a passion simply because it is too easy to get damaged. One thing I do when I am repairing someone's system i always run a registry scan on them using Registry Mechanic or Registry Fix, and I usually get back a couple thousand errors which I have to tell it to scan and repair. Often times as not after I scan and repair the Windows registry the system performs better, runs faster, and there are less errors. So I'd say the registry is a prime candidate for Windows instability on a large percentage of computer systems. Other operating systems Mac OS, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, etc do not have a registry and tend to be much more stable and reliable than Windows. Instead of a system registry they store all of their settings in *.conf files located in the /etc and /usr/etc directories. Not only can you edit them by hand if you wish it is easy to backup and save your favorite configurations to an external drive. If you do a full system install you can simply restore your favorite *.conf files, and in seconds it is back the way it was before you reinstalled the system. Pretty cool eh? Anyway, we are getting way off the topic of games. So let's try and get this topic back on topic or close it. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
One thing I really hate is if you connect the wrong drive, or when there was a non chained pair of say screen readers it was easy to break the chain, better yet when system files linked to a program were implicated in the crash of that program the system just took those away crashing the whole system. Its why I always say a reformat fixes everything. Its because it does fix everything, nothing goes wrong and it always works. Now if there was no registry and we were modular like ms says we should be we would be out of that mess. I had a friend with dos 6.22 win 3.1 and other things. During a norton disk docter scan he got scared at the noise his drive was making. He turned off the system and the system wouldn't boot. I got all the disks to have the system formatted but insisted he try again from a disk. when I told him it was a scan not anything to worry about well. Anyway it ended up just having to backup the config and autoexec files, reinstall the os, and restore the files. the system worked again. If windows had this happen well no way but to reformat. the registry is such a pain its like another language and if something goes wrong. Right now for example one of my recorders which has some issue has issue with its software because I killed something during install and it ended up with me not able to load it because stuff is missing. I did manage to fix the issue however after an update to try new software deciding I did not like it and reverting to the old software, same issue. Time to reformat. Luckily the recorder in question has some memmory issues and is old and not used much. so its just shoved in a drawer and the issue bypassed. Until I reformat, which hopefully will not be for ages. During a test of att voices I managed to mangle speech. At that stage A reformat was needed but with the help of a second xp box, and half an hour of copy and paste pluss some extra installs and regedits I actually got it all working again. There are benifits don't get me wrong, multiuser accounts, security settings a few globals. Still I wish something different was done. something like the linux configs. have a large config or something. I aggree when it works its fine but if dammaged its hard to fix. Easier to reformat though at some point you may have to do something. At 09:35 a.m. 3/01/2010, you wrote: I know that all too well. I've screwed up my OS several times because the registry is so easy to screw up. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Shaun, Oh, don't get me started on the Windows registry. I hate the Windows registry with a passion simply because it is too easy to get damaged. One thing I do when I am repairing someone's system i always run a registry scan on them using Registry Mechanic or Registry Fix, and I usually get back a couple thousand errors which I have to tell it to scan and repair. Often times as not after I scan and repair the Windows registry the system performs better, runs faster, and there are less errors. So I'd say the registry is a prime candidate for Windows instability on a large percentage of computer systems. Other operating systems Mac OS, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, etc do not have a registry and tend to be much more stable and reliable than Windows. Instead of a system registry they store all of their settings in *.conf files located in the /etc and /usr/etc directories. Not only can you edit them by hand if you wish it is easy to backup and save your favorite configurations to an external drive. If you do a full system install you can simply restore your favorite *.conf files, and in seconds it is back the way it was before you reinstalled the system. Pretty cool eh? Anyway, we are getting way off the topic of games. So let's try and get this topic back on topic or close it. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
hmmm i would, but since most stuff is windows based I can't. At 11:12 a.m. 3/01/2010, you wrote: really? laptops in the 80's and 90's had no fans? btw if you want such stability, the lack of registry etc switch to a mac. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nzTo: Gamers __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Netbooks have to have seriously capped memory and processor speeds to meet Microsoft's discounted XP licensing. I'd hesitate to use them for gaming unless you're sure the new netbook is faster than your current laptop. One thing that's often overlooked is the front side bus speed. Everything might look the same on paper initially between netbooks, but you could be in for a real surprise if you don't do a lot of research. Newer netbooks come with a very stripped down version of Windows 7. I'd go for that over XP. Cheers! Jason --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hello tom. well, this has given me things to think about. I'm not really concerned about windows 7 or upgrading, because frankly lots of things I do stil need Xp, and until there are reliable ways to run things like interactive fiction and dos console style programs such as Eamon delux and fallthru on windows 7, I'll not considder upgrading. However what you say about speed does worry me. Should I be looking for a netbook with a particularly good process and fast speed, or is the hole thing generally unworkable. any further information would be much appreciated. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Dark, Well, from what I've seen Netbooks aren't the best choice for playing games and music on. They are very hit and miss, and I've heard of some success stories and just as many bad experiences with them. The fact it might be running XP is a bit of a misnomer, because it's all about the hardware in the machine. For example, the processors in the Netbooks tend to be slower than those you would find in a more expensive laptop. If you are running XP this might not be a big problem for you, but if you want to upgrade to Windows 7 then that very well could be a big deal later on. Windows 7 takes quite a bit of ram and processor power to run really well, and Netbooks seam to be a bit underpowered for Windows 7 which is why even though there are newer versions of Windows they still are using XP which doesn't need a very high end system to run decently. Another thing to consider is your average desktop and laptop uses a hard drive which is a series of metal plates stacked tightly on top of each other that stores data magnetically on those plates. While this technology is considered to be rather old this type of hard drive is still in wide use because they can hold lots of data, operates very fast, and the solid state drives haven't yet matched them. With a lot of Netbooks though the units are so small that the standard hard drives won't fit in them so they are beginning to ship with the newer solid state drives. Basically, the solid state drives are not a hard drive at all, but a giant SD Card that holds something like 120 GB of data on it. While more reliable I've also heard they run a tad bit slower than your average hard drive. I have no idea how this effects games and other programs, but it is something to consider. What I can tell you is I've gotten various tech support requests where Mysteries of the Ancients doesn't run very well on some Netbooks and some where others say it works just fine. So you have to be careful what you buy, and they seam to be somewhat problematic. Plus do to their size they lack a lot of keys you might find on a full sized keyboard which might make playing certain games more difficult. Just some things to think about. Happy New Year! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi. Walmart doesn't exist on this side of the atlantic, also, sinse part of the reason I was considdering a netbook in the first place was portability, a thin portable wouldn't be as useful. I will however look for something with a decent sound card etc. I was thinking in the region of 300 pounds, that's in fact about 500 dollars, but price comparisons probably don't work. beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi. If you can hold off for a little while, AsusTeK computer is supposed to be coming out with a 2ghz netbook pretty soon. I don't know how soon pretty soon is though. The Asus netbook I'm using right now is 2ghz, but only because I overclocked it. *smirk*. My netbook is my primary computer. I play mota, Jim Kitchen's games, q9, tdv, gtc, sod, etc with it without much problem. the only problem I have in fact is sound card related but has nothing to do with the processor. In fact, for fun I underclocked my netbook to 500mhz, and q9 still ran ok. it was different, but I still managed to get killed like on the other speeds *lol*. I've had other laptops that do the same thhing with the sound card. I'm speaking of this little problem where stereo panning and sound volume with direct x is way off the wall stupidly different than what the developer intended it to be. I bounced this problem off Jim Kitchen and he showed me by recording part of his latest Mach1 game that it sounds vastly different than it does for me. I sort of fixedd the problem by changing the hardware accelleration. Don't know why, but that seemed to take care of at least some of the trouble. Troubles like tdv's air sounds were so loud I couldn't hear the voiceovers. *ouch!* That said,, I'm happy with mine. My favorite thing, believe it or not, is that my netbook doesn't get hot. You don't want to know my term for my sony laptop, which, well, gets hot, very hot. You might could stop a little short of a netbook and get one of those low priced ultraportables. they're a little more expensive than most netbooks, but not by much. If you can handle 500 dollars I saw a couple of nice thin laptops at wal-mart that seemed ok. Can't really speak for them though because wal-mart just doesn't seem to realize putting the processor speed somewhere in the specifications would be a good idea. Acer had one which was pretty nice and thin, but still managed to squeeze a full num pad on beside the regular keyboard. Hp had one that used the athlon neo processor, which i've heard some good things about, and claims it gets 8 hours on battery. My netbookk claims the same thing, though, and only gets about 4 and a half if I underclock it and turn the screen brightness to 0. Btw, in the event you don't know, ultraportables are just supposed to be really thin. They'll have 13 or so inch screens and more normal sized keyboards though. One thing that is funny is to underclock my netbook to 500mhz and start up entombed. it takes like 5 minutes for the game to load up a dungeon so I can play.. If I run it at normal speed or overclock it, however, it seems all right. It's not ridiculously slow in my oppinion, and with this particular one I've never had a game that just flat out wouldn't run. - Original Message - From: dark To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games thanks Phil. that is something I've not considdered, but I'll make certain I look at before buying one. beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Jason. well this isn't sounding so cheerful in general. i'd be interested to know how to check specs more generally. The model I find myself looking at now is the samsung n140, which comes with 270 ghz speed and either windows xp or windows 7 (though i'd go for xp), and boasts good sound quality, though after all the comments on list I'm seriously considdering waiting for solid state harddrives to develope further (as I said, there's nothing actually wrong with my laptop other than lack of drive space). Has anyone got any thoughts? Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jason Allen evildi...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Netbooks have to have seriously capped memory and processor speeds to meet Microsoft's discounted XP licensing. I'd hesitate to use them for gaming unless you're sure the new netbook is faster than your current laptop. One thing that's often overlooked is the front side bus speed. Everything might look the same on paper initially between netbooks, but you could be in for a real surprise if you don't do a lot of research. Newer netbooks come with a very stripped down version of Windows 7. I'd go for that over XP. Cheers! Jason --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hey Dark, If you're happy with your current laptop aside from hard drive space, surely the cheapest solution would be to just upgrade the HDD in your existing laptop? Going on it's age I'd say almost any 2.5 IDE drive should do the trick, and they're not too tricky to change as a rule. It'd be worth finding out the exact model number of your laptop so you can look at the tech spec and make sure you pick up the fastest supported drive, hopefully that'd be 7200 RPM, but that's about the only research you'd need to do. If you go down this road, pick yourself up a 2.5 IDE caddy as well, should only cost you somewhere in the region of 10-20 quid for a basic one, and that way you won't lose access to the original drive, you can just hook it up as an external should the need ever arise. All that said, a friend of mine has a Samsung NC10 and I'm yet to see a game that runs badly on it. If I didn't already own my macbook pro I'd have hopped on the Samsung wagon a while back considering the price portability and battery life. Hth Scott On 1/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Jason. well this isn't sounding so cheerful in general. i'd be interested to know how to check specs more generally. The model I find myself looking at now is the samsung n140, which comes with 270 ghz speed and either windows xp or windows 7 (though i'd go for xp), and boasts good sound quality, though after all the comments on list I'm seriously considdering waiting for solid state harddrives to develope further (as I said, there's nothing actually wrong with my laptop other than lack of drive space). Has anyone got any thoughts? Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jason Allen evildi...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Netbooks have to have seriously capped memory and processor speeds to meet Microsoft's discounted XP licensing. I'd hesitate to use them for gaming unless you're sure the new netbook is faster than your current laptop. One thing that's often overlooked is the front side bus speed. Everything might look the same on paper initially between netbooks, but you could be in for a real surprise if you don't do a lot of research. Newer netbooks come with a very stripped down version of Windows 7. I'd go for that over XP. Cheers! Jason --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Scot. well that is true. i already use a 200 gb external usb drive for backup purposes. The other reason i was considdering netbooks though, --- and one which a second drive wouldn't particularly help with, is portability. i tend to carry my laptop to lots of places, including down the nyle and up the alps, and it'd be nice to physically have less to carry, especially when going to things like tabletop rp games, or short, 1 hour train journeys (which i do several times a week). If games run okay on the nc10 though, odds are the n140, which seems to be several models up would be okay as well. Obviously though, more research is called for on this issue. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hey Dark, If you're happy with your current laptop aside from hard drive space, surely the cheapest solution would be to just upgrade the HDD in your existing laptop? Going on it's age I'd say almost any 2.5 IDE drive should do the trick, and they're not too tricky to change as a rule. It'd be worth finding out the exact model number of your laptop so you can look at the tech spec and make sure you pick up the fastest supported drive, hopefully that'd be 7200 RPM, but that's about the only research you'd need to do. If you go down this road, pick yourself up a 2.5 IDE caddy as well, should only cost you somewhere in the region of 10-20 quid for a basic one, and that way you won't lose access to the original drive, you can just hook it up as an external should the need ever arise. All that said, a friend of mine has a Samsung NC10 and I'm yet to see a game that runs badly on it. If I didn't already own my macbook pro I'd have hopped on the Samsung wagon a while back considering the price portability and battery life. Hth Scott On 1/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Jason. well this isn't sounding so cheerful in general. i'd be interested to know how to check specs more generally. The model I find myself looking at now is the samsung n140, which comes with 270 ghz speed and either windows xp or windows 7 (though i'd go for xp), and boasts good sound quality, though after all the comments on list I'm seriously considdering waiting for solid state harddrives to develope further (as I said, there's nothing actually wrong with my laptop other than lack of drive space). Has anyone got any thoughts? Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jason Allen evildi...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Netbooks have to have seriously capped memory and processor speeds to meet Microsoft's discounted XP licensing. I'd hesitate to use them for gaming unless you're sure the new netbook is faster than your current laptop. One thing that's often overlooked is the front side bus speed. Everything might look the same on paper initially between netbooks, but you could be in for a real surprise if you don't do a lot of research. Newer netbooks come with a very stripped down version of Windows 7. I'd go for that over XP. Cheers! Jason --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Dark, Yah, logic would assume that the mobo and onboard sound and the like would be the same chipsets, and I can't argue with the portability factor. I haven't looked at the specs of the N140, but can do so tomorrow when I'm back on proper internet if there's anything you're not sure of. One thing that might be a consideration is that I haven't seen any of the more intensive games running on solid state memory yet... has anyone else? Scott On 1/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Scot. well that is true. i already use a 200 gb external usb drive for backup purposes. The other reason i was considdering netbooks though, --- and one which a second drive wouldn't particularly help with, is portability. i tend to carry my laptop to lots of places, including down the nyle and up the alps, and it'd be nice to physically have less to carry, especially when going to things like tabletop rp games, or short, 1 hour train journeys (which i do several times a week). If games run okay on the nc10 though, odds are the n140, which seems to be several models up would be okay as well. Obviously though, more research is called for on this issue. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hey Dark, If you're happy with your current laptop aside from hard drive space, surely the cheapest solution would be to just upgrade the HDD in your existing laptop? Going on it's age I'd say almost any 2.5 IDE drive should do the trick, and they're not too tricky to change as a rule. It'd be worth finding out the exact model number of your laptop so you can look at the tech spec and make sure you pick up the fastest supported drive, hopefully that'd be 7200 RPM, but that's about the only research you'd need to do. If you go down this road, pick yourself up a 2.5 IDE caddy as well, should only cost you somewhere in the region of 10-20 quid for a basic one, and that way you won't lose access to the original drive, you can just hook it up as an external should the need ever arise. All that said, a friend of mine has a Samsung NC10 and I'm yet to see a game that runs badly on it. If I didn't already own my macbook pro I'd have hopped on the Samsung wagon a while back considering the price portability and battery life. Hth Scott On 1/1/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Jason. well this isn't sounding so cheerful in general. i'd be interested to know how to check specs more generally. The model I find myself looking at now is the samsung n140, which comes with 270 ghz speed and either windows xp or windows 7 (though i'd go for xp), and boasts good sound quality, though after all the comments on list I'm seriously considdering waiting for solid state harddrives to develope further (as I said, there's nothing actually wrong with my laptop other than lack of drive space). Has anyone got any thoughts? Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jason Allen evildi...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Netbooks have to have seriously capped memory and processor speeds to meet Microsoft's discounted XP licensing. I'd hesitate to use them for gaming unless you're sure the new netbook is faster than your current laptop. One thing that's often overlooked is the front side bus speed. Everything might look the same on paper initially between netbooks, but you could be in for a real surprise if you don't do a lot of research. Newer netbooks come with a very stripped down version of Windows 7. I'd go for that over XP. Cheers! Jason --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes
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Hi Scot. well, I'm certainly not planning to rush into buying anything before i know exactly what I'm getting. If you could take a look at the specs and give any illuminating comments that would be appreciated, perhaps if your friend is willing you could ask them to try the demo version of a high end game like Sarah and see how it works, if not I'll just see who I can talk to about the machine. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Dark, Yah, logic would assume that the mobo and onboard sound and the like would be the same chipsets, and I can't argue with the portability factor. I haven't looked at the specs of the N140, but can do so tomorrow when I'm back on proper internet if there's anything you're not sure of. One thing that might be a consideration is that I haven't seen any of the more intensive games running on solid state memory yet... has anyone else? Scott --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Well, I've managed to do some research between the time I wrote you last, and it would appear some of my information on the ssd drives was wrong. Thanks to a post from someone off list he sent me a link to an article found on Wikipedia comparing conventional hard drives to solid state drives. Overall the article indicated the solid state drives are faster, use less battery power, and are usually the better choice. From what I've read the only reason a person might not want a solid state drive is if you want a very large hard drive for lots of storage space. However, the rest of my post is on target. One thing I've managed to uncover is the technical specifications for alot of these Netbooks are capped. They have underpowered processors, less cache on the processors, and very cheap sound cards. Basically, the design specification of these computers is something you would take with you to class to take notes, take with you to read an e-book, write up a report, manage your finances, whatever but aren't intended or designed for serious gaming and heavy multimedia applications. I haven't heard of a case where my games would not run on a netbook, but they don't have the best sound cards, they have crappy keyboards, and lower end processors. As far as the Samsung netbooks I've heard good things about them. However, that is hear say, and I'dhate for you to take my word on that. So all I can say is take some advice from those who own netbooks, and see what they say. Cheers! dark wrote: Hi Jason. well this isn't sounding so cheerful in general. i'd be interested to know how to check specs more generally. The model I find myself looking at now is the samsung n140, which comes with 270 ghz speed and either windows xp or windows 7 (though i'd go for xp), and boasts good sound quality, though after all the comments on list I'm seriously considdering waiting for solid state harddrives to develope further (as I said, there's nothing actually wrong with my laptop other than lack of drive space). Has anyone got any thoughts? Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi tom. thanks for checking. i was banking on the basis that audio games, unlike games like the latest doom or halflife offerings don't require gigantic processing speed or huge ram, however lack of sound card doesn't sound as well (ha ha), especially sinse I want the netbook for general music and audio playback as well as games. Reviews for the samsung range I've been looking at do recommend them for music and films though, so possibly they are at the better end of this markit. I think i'm going to have to find either an intelligent sales rep or someone who owns a samsung and grill them about both processor power and audio capabilities before I commit hard cash. Portability would be extremely nice, but as I'm actually talking about exchanging my portable computer, I need to think carefully first. thanks again for the research. beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
True tom, in fact when I was physically looking at netbooks (mostly to check the keyboards), at the Uk electrical retailers curries, i did see something i initially thought was a netbook, but was in fact a toshiba laptop running windows 7. Provided compatibility with games etc isn't such an issue, I might also considder that as an option. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Dark, HmmmI see. Well, I have seen some laptops that are made pretty thin and light these days without being cut down to netbook size. No names come to mind, but I have seen a few at Wal-Mart and Best Buy that are pretty thin and light. dark wrote: Hi. Walmart doesn't exist on this side of the atlantic, also, sinse part of the reason I was considdering a netbook in the first place was portability, a thin portable wouldn't be as useful. I will however look for something with a decent sound card etc. I was thinking in the region of 300 pounds, that's in fact about 500 dollars, but price comparisons probably don't work. beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Dark, No problem. All I can really say hear is I've looked at a few netbooks myself a few months back, and I wasn't too impressed by them. Wal-Mart and Best Buy, for example, is nutorious for writing up a list of specifications that sound good on paper, but totally ignore the little technical details that are really important. They often ignore details like how much cache is on the processor, what the front side bus is, if the memory is capped, and so on. Even worse if you go in to a place like that asking the really technical questions the sales reps pretty much stand there, and say, I don't know. I just work here. All of that said I think you and I probably have slightly different priorities when it comes to computers anyway. You have mentioned a desire for a small compact device you can take with you on the road anywhere you go. That's perfectly reasonable given your desire to travel. For me I'd be willing to sacrofice the size somewhat for the sake of a more powerful processor, more ram, better front side bus, large hard drive, Linux compatibility, full sized keyboard, and other things that probably are of no interest to you personally. So I tend to buy more expensive high end laptops and find something like the netbooks really on the cheap side financially and hardware wise An example of this is my need for a full sized keyboard. I generally don't use Jaws, like Window Eyes, but Window Eyes doesn't have a very good laptop keyboard layout. It heavily uses the numpad for mouse navigation so having an external numpad or one built onto the laptop's keyboard is pretty much a necessity to use it..Plus Orca, the Linux screen reader, also uses the numpad for screen review so again a full sized keyboard comes in handy. Although, Orca's laptop keys are almost as good as Jaws so I can make do with a smaller keyboard if I have to. Still I'd rather use a full sized keyboard if and when possible. This desire usually means a bigger slightly heavier laptop than someone else would buy for portability only reasons. Then, of course, there is the entire Linux compatibility issue. I don't figure there are many on this list who would think of that as a big deal too them, but it is too me. Mainly Linux is cheaper, runs better, is more secure, etc than Windows so I choose to use it if and when possible. For that reason I tend to have a multiboot setup on my laptop so I can boot and run whatever operating system is needed for the task at hand. If I have a job that requires Windows I simply start the system and boot into Windows 7. If I want to run Linux, which is most of the time, I select it from the boot menu and use that instead. It allows me alot more freedom of choice and gets the job done when I can select between multiple operating systems. So for me hardware compatibility is of extreme importance. Cheers! dark wrote: Hi tom. thanks for checking. i was banking on the basis that audio games, unlike games like the latest doom or halflife offerings don't require gigantic processing speed or huge ram, however lack of sound card doesn't sound as well (ha ha), especially sinse I want the netbook for general music and audio playback as well as games. Reviews for the samsung range I've been looking at do recommend them for music and films though, so possibly they are at the better end of this markit. I think i'm going to have to find either an intelligent sales rep or someone who owns a samsung and grill them about both processor power and audio capabilities before I commit hard cash. Portability would be extremely nice, but as I'm actually talking about exchanging my portable computer, I need to think carefully first. thanks again for the research. beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Dark, Hmmm...I've had some pretty good luck with Toshiba laptops over the years. I've used a couple different moddels, and have no lasting complaints. My Compaq laptop on the other hand has had some rather serious hardware issues like a dvd rom drive that died a couple of months after I baught the laptop, and now the right shift key has stopped working. So I don't think I'd ever buy another Compaq, but would probably invest in another Toshiba in the future. dark wrote: True tom, in fact when I was physically looking at netbooks (mostly to check the keyboards), at the Uk electrical retailers curries, i did see something i initially thought was a netbook, but was in fact a toshiba laptop running windows 7. Provided compatibility with games etc isn't such an issue, I might also considder that as an option. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Dark, The experience that I've had giving support to people with netbooks is that it's a bit of a hit and miss, sometimes the game works flawlessly and sometimes it has issues. This is despite the fact that all these people were running Windows xp or above, and has more to do with processor speed. That, I'd say, is just as important a factor when playing games as having enough ram is. If you get a single core machine I'd suggest not getting anything that is below 2 gHz, and if it's a dual or quad core then you could probably go for 1.2 or 1.5 gHz or something around that mark. In short, netbooks are good as long as you get one with enough processing power to do what you need. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi. firstly, appologies for the miner absense, I've been away at my parents' bungalow by the see, which is very nice, but has no net access. i'm currently considdering doing something slightly drastic, --- -replacing a computer before! one of mine explodes! There is nothing wrong with my laptop, it's four years old, and works fine (I'm writing on it right now). I have however been considdering replacing it with a netbook. My laptop has about a 512 mb ram, and only a 32 gig harddrive, which, given that my current music, audio and games collection comprises about 50 gig, just won't do. It's also got only 3 hours of battery life on one battery, or six hours if I change batteries mid way through. I've therefore been considdering upgrading my portable machine to a netbook, which runs xp, has 10 times the storage capacity, twice the ram, and seemingly three times the battery life, judging by those I've been looking at (there was a very nice samsung model I was taken with). Is there however, anything I've particularly missed, especially concerning audio games. I'd assume if a netbook is running xp home, in practical terms it'd function like a physically smaller, more powerful version of my current laptop, but i could be wrong? any advice would be much appreciated. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: 12/30/09 07:27:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
thanks Phil. that is something I've not considdered, but I'll make certain I look at before buying one. beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi Dark, The experience that I've had giving support to people with netbooks is that it's a bit of a hit and miss, sometimes the game works flawlessly and sometimes it has issues. This is despite the fact that all these people were running Windows xp or above, and has more to do with processor speed. That, I'd say, is just as important a factor when playing games as having enough ram is. If you get a single core machine I'd suggest not getting anything that is below 2 gHz, and if it's a dual or quad core then you could probably go for 1.2 or 1.5 gHz or something around that mark. In short, netbooks are good as long as you get one with enough processing power to do what you need. Kind regards, Philip Bennefall - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games Hi. firstly, appologies for the miner absense, I've been away at my parents' bungalow by the see, which is very nice, but has no net access. i'm currently considdering doing something slightly drastic, --- -replacing a computer before! one of mine explodes! There is nothing wrong with my laptop, it's four years old, and works fine (I'm writing on it right now). I have however been considdering replacing it with a netbook. My laptop has about a 512 mb ram, and only a 32 gig harddrive, which, given that my current music, audio and games collection comprises about 50 gig, just won't do. It's also got only 3 hours of battery life on one battery, or six hours if I change batteries mid way through. I've therefore been considdering upgrading my portable machine to a netbook, which runs xp, has 10 times the storage capacity, twice the ram, and seemingly three times the battery life, judging by those I've been looking at (there was a very nice samsung model I was taken with). Is there however, anything I've particularly missed, especially concerning audio games. I'd assume if a netbook is running xp home, in practical terms it'd function like a physically smaller, more powerful version of my current laptop, but i could be wrong? any advice would be much appreciated. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.431 / Virus Database: 270.14.123/2594 - Release Date: 12/30/09 07:27:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi Dark, Well, from what I've seen Netbooks aren't the best choice for playing games and music on. They are very hit and miss, and I've heard of some success stories and just as many bad experiences with them. The fact it might be running XP is a bit of a misnomer, because it's all about the hardware in the machine. For example, the processors in the Netbooks tend to be slower than those you would find in a more expensive laptop. If you are running XP this might not be a big problem for you, but if you want to upgrade to Windows 7 then that very well could be a big deal later on. Windows 7 takes quite a bit of ram and processor power to run really well, and Netbooks seam to be a bit underpowered for Windows 7 which is why even though there are newer versions of Windows they still are using XP which doesn't need a very high end system to run decently. Another thing to consider is your average desktop and laptop uses a hard drive which is a series of metal plates stacked tightly on top of each other that stores data magnetically on those plates. While this technology is considered to be rather old this type of hard drive is still in wide use because they can hold lots of data, operates very fast, and the solid state drives haven't yet matched them. With a lot of Netbooks though the units are so small that the standard hard drives won't fit in them so they are beginning to ship with the newer solid state drives. Basically, the solid state drives are not a hard drive at all, but a giant SD Card that holds something like 120 GB of data on it. While more reliable I've also heard they run a tad bit slower than your average hard drive. I have no idea how this effects games and other programs, but it is something to consider. What I can tell you is I've gotten various tech support requests where Mysteries of the Ancients doesn't run very well on some Netbooks and some where others say it works just fine. So you have to be careful what you buy, and they seam to be somewhat problematic. Plus do to their size they lack a lot of keys you might find on a full sized keyboard which might make playing certain games more difficult. Just some things to think about. Happy New Year! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games
Hi. If you can hold off for a little while, AsusTeK computer is supposed to be coming out with a 2ghz netbook pretty soon. I don't know how soon pretty soon is though. The Asus netbook I'm using right now is 2ghz, but only because I overclocked it. *smirk*. My netbook is my primary computer. I play mota, Jim Kitchen's games, q9, tdv, gtc, sod, etc with it without much problem. the only problem I have in fact is sound card related but has nothing to do with the processor. In fact, for fun I underclocked my netbook to 500mhz, and q9 still ran ok. it was different, but I still managed to get killed like on the other speeds *lol*. I've had other laptops that do the same thhing with the sound card. I'm speaking of this little problem where stereo panning and sound volume with direct x is way off the wall stupidly different than what the developer intended it to be. I bounced this problem off Jim Kitchen and he showed me by recording part of his latest Mach1 game that it sounds vastly different than it does for me. I sort of fixedd the problem by changing the hardware accelleration. Don't know why, but that seemed to take care of at least some of the trouble. Troubles like tdv's air sounds were so loud I couldn't hear the voiceovers. *ouch!* That said,, I'm happy with mine. My favorite thing, believe it or not, is that my netbook doesn't get hot. You don't want to know my term for my sony laptop, which, well, gets hot, very hot. You might could stop a little short of a netbook and get one of those low priced ultraportables. they're a little more expensive than most netbooks, but not by much. If you can handle 500 dollars I saw a couple of nice thin laptops at wal-mart that seemed ok. Can't really speak for them though because wal-mart just doesn't seem to realize putting the processor speed somewhere in the specifications would be a good idea. Acer had one which was pretty nice and thin, but still managed to squeeze a full num pad on beside the regular keyboard. Hp had one that used the athlon neo processor, which i've heard some good things about, and claims it gets 8 hours on battery. My netbookk claims the same thing, though, and only gets about 4 and a half if I underclock it and turn the screen brightness to 0. Btw, in the event you don't know, ultraportables are just supposed to be really thin. They'll have 13 or so inch screens and more normal sized keyboards though. One thing that is funny is to underclock my netbook to 500mhz and start up entombed. it takes like 5 minutes for the game to load up a dungeon so I can play.. If I run it at normal speed or overclock it, however, it seems all right. It's not ridiculously slow in my oppinion, and with this particular one I've never had a game that just flat out wouldn't run. - Original Message - From: dark To: Gamers Discussion list Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Netbooks and games thanks Phil. that is something I've not considdered, but I'll make certain I look at before buying one. beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
