Re: [Gimp-user] Changing the size of an oval?
On Wed, 2012-01-11 at 09:27 -0600, Keith Purtell wrote: OK, I Googled and found the steps for creating a colored circle with the border size I preferred. Cool. But when it came to something as simple as copying that circle (it's in a new layer) and changing the size, You could use the gfig plugin to make circles, ellipses or ovals that can be resized. Or paths, but they're hard to work with in gimp compared to inkscape. (Note that I've been using Photoshop in the past, and it's driving me nuts that I don't know how to see each new layer in GIMP.) control-L brings up the Layers dock (or windows-dockable dialogues-layers). The eye icon next to a layer means it's visible. Shift-click on the eye to make that layer the only one shown; repeat to show all layers. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Seeking better green screen method
On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 15:17 -0500, Jay Smith wrote: We have tried scanning on many different non-black background colors and surfaces, but there are always some extreme-edge color artifacts remaining ... leaving a sort of halo effect around the stamp object. I've found that scanning object once and then rotating the object on the scanner by 180 degrees and scanning again, and combining the image, can help with that sort of object-depth effect. I've used it to get rid of (or reduce) embossed lettering on old engravings for www.fromoldbooks.org for example (also with an Epson scanner). The reason it happens is that the scanner sensor and light have to be at an angle to avoid reflections (including from the glass!). Television cameras don't have this problem. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Benchmarking Gimp/GEGL
On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 11:44 +, Derek Mortimer wrote: Looking at the image you referred to, Firefox tells me that it is 7,360px × 4,912px (scaled to 864px × 577px). If what I have been told is correct, that 1 pixel = 1 byte ( or thereabouts), that is a 36mb file, which to my mind is enormous. That's correct for an 8-bit GIF image but not much else. For JPEG at 8-bit per channel it's 24 bits, i.e. 3 bytes, per pixel. For PNG with alpha channel, 4 bytes per channel, but a camera raw file is likely to use 16 bits per channel per pixel in RGB (even though not bits are used for most cameras) giving 6 bytes per pixel, and about 215 MBytes of data. The compressed JPEG file should be quite a bit smaller, of course. I routinely deal with images that are over a gigabyte. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Why does saves as JPG default to quality 85?
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 21:52 +0100, Olivier wrote: Considering the quality rating in JPEG as a percentage would mean that a quality equal to 100 would be perfect, i.e. no loss at all. Nonsense. A quality of 100% means you have chosen 100 out of a possible 100. per cent means out of 100 in Latin. It says nothing about secondary values. A value of 75% means 75% of the way from 0 to the maximum allowed value of 100. I agree that popular usage is to infer more than is stated from such an assertion. Note that in general (but not in this case) percentages can be greater than 100. Yes, many people recommend 85% but 85% in gimp (or 85, if you prefer) is not at all the same as 85% in PhotoShop. Maybe it would be less confusing to make the numbers go from 0 to 255 or something. Then 255 would be 100% of the allowed value. Best, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Trace an image?
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 18:23 -0400, . wrote: Since the image has a lot of curves is there a tool or gadget in Gimp that can provide a smooth curve, say, around a circle? Inkscape comes with a user interface for running potrace, a program (at least on Linux) that can trace bitmap images and make paths; you could then save as SVG and import the SVG into gimp as paths (use File-Open as Layers in GIMP). In general, the path tool in gimp can do smooth curves, but they're easier to manipulate in Inkscape. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Crop to oval?
On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 13:19 -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: So anyway, how do I do this? Bitmap images are rectangular. What you really need is a rectangular image with the corners being transparent or white. Make the selection bigger than you want, feather the selection, invert, and cut. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Batch mode ?
On Fri, 2012-04-13 at 16:50 -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: It appears to me that virtually every photograph I have ever manipulated using GIMP has looked better after applying GIMP's Colors-Levels-Auto to it. They often do, especially with lower-end or older cameras. They may look even better if you click the auto button in levels then do edit as curves and move th curves back slightly, as levels/auto clips the highlights and shadows very slightly. Now, I have a batch of about 80+ scans of old family photos that I would like to apply this process to en mass. there's a gimp batch processor in the gimp registry on gimp.org. You could also try imagemagick, or (at least on Linux) maybe darktable can do it, if it's packaged for your distribution. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] brush size controls?
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 18:58 +0200, MadMinstrel wrote:
Hi!
I've just tried the RC1 and so far I'm loving the new brush engine.
I've got a little question though. What's the fastest way to change
the brush size with a tablet? The [ and ] hotkeys work, but they
change the brush size one pixel at a time
And { and } go by 5 or 10 pixels (I forget).
You can rebind them, too.
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Re: [Gimp-user] How can I create huge billboard sized files in super high dpi?
On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 16:25 -0500, Daniel Smith wrote: So, the 144 would be basically twice the web resolutio of 72 to make for better resampling on resize, or no relation? Well, if by Web you mean World Wide Web, no, no relation; there are 72 points to the inch in printing, and a lot of printing setups in practice are optimised to work best with multiples of 72dpi when making a half-tone screen for each colour - the ink is either on or not-on at each location ad the RIP in the printer (or a separate box in your case, probably) turns each pixel in the image into a rough circle of lots of device dots, fewer dots for less colour. Slightly longer answer - The hardware device might be 1440 device dots per inch, but at 144dpi that gives a 10x10 square of little dots for each pixel, so only 100 colour levels are possible. That's likely to be enough for printing on fabric, though. At 72 or 75 lines per inch (ppi, or dpi from the image perspective) on a 1440dpi printer you get 19 or 20 dots on a side, so around 400 levels, and although that's more than 8-bit colour can represent, it gives the RIP more felxibility in the shape of the clumps of dots. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] How can I create huge billboard sized files in super high dpi?
On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 21:44 -0400, Tara Gover wrote: Hi guys, I am printing super high res images onto fabric. My print guy has instructed me to create my images in 1440 dpi I think he meant 144 dpi, which is a common resolution used for colour images in print. If the thread count of the fabric is 200 or higher (e.g. a high-end sheet or a silk shirt) it'd plausibly take twice the thread count or more, but I'd say try a sample at 144dpi. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Install multiple versions
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 11:37 +0200, SteveK wrote: What do I have to do to keep 2.6 installed along with 2.8? Depends on your Linux distribution. E.g. you may have to override an obsoletes. Or maybe you're using Microsoft Windows or Mac OS X? Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] set F1 /F6 shortcut
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 17:12 +0200, ceas wrote: i am not sure is it a bug i want to set some dialog the F1~F8 but doesnt work on F1 and F6 F1 is usually reserved for Help. I don't know about F6. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] set F1 /F6 shortcut
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 09:18 +0200, ceas wrote: i don't know what for the F6 too but for the F1 key i do try able/ disable from the ubuntu both show me the help of the gimp after press the F1 The gtk toolkit uses F1 for Help, and I think F6 to switch between different parts of an application. I advise against trying to use F1 because one day you'll actually want the context-sensitive help :-) You could add to ~/.gimp-2.8/gtkrc (or whichever is your gimp directory) unbind F1 unbind F6 and see if that helps. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml The barefoot typographer ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Bug with fonts when antialiasing on
On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 21:41 +0200, gimp-bug wrote: All text in gimp 2.8 has greenish border when antialiasing is on, no matter which color is on the background. http://i.imgur.com/Ntky2.png - upper part with antialiasing, lower without This problem happens with gimp 2.8 on gentoo/kde 4.8 Anyone have such problems? What can I do to fix this? Check your font antialiasing preferences maybe? In gnome 2 this is in system-prefs-appearance-fonts under advanced, I don't know about kde. There should be settings for your LCD screen sub-pixel hinting, and you might want to try turning that off and see if it helps. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Bug with fonts when antialiasing on
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 17:05 +0200, gimp-bug wrote: Liam Thank you for the answer! Yesterday on IRC I was suggested the same - to check antialiasing settings. There's nothing wrong in my fontconfig, it's pretty standard. In KDE there are three options for antialiasing: Enabled, System settings, Disabled. There should also be options for the type of screen you have - RGB, VRGB, etc. I tried every one, and this didn't help. Anything other but Enabled makes my fonts horrible in all other apps though. The first thing is to discover what's causing your problem, before trying to work out a solution. I use lcd-filtering gentoo overlay, so this might be a reason why changing settings doesn't work. I don't know what that is, sorry. So now the question is - is this really intended feature that OS settings could interfere with how raster graphical editor renders its' text objects? It depends on your objective as to whether it makes sense. Note also that gimp's text tool options has a separate antialiasing setting. Obviously a green halo is not intended. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Ppm 16bit handling
On Wed, 2012-05-23 at 23:34 -0300, br...@buys.net.br wrote: I don't understand: can't Gimp just open the file as it is, with no conversion whatsoever, since support to 16bit is there? Yes - all it takes is programming, code to handle each format at higher bit depths. Patches are generally welcomed... Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP 2.8.0 WIN32 - Very Slow
On Sun, 2012-05-27 at 07:22 +0200, ceas wrote: [...] Some common culprits: (1) a colour management bug (especially on Windows) To see if this is affecting you, go to View-Display Filters Select Colour Management and uncheck it, and use the left-pointing arrow to move it out of the active filters. (2) 3d desktops (especially on Linux) disable compiz, or choose a theme that does not feature transparency. Some of these themes mean everything gets drawn multiple times. (3) if gimp slows down during use, try (3a) making sure the tile cache size is at least close to the available memory you have - e.g. on an 8 Gigabyte system I have a 7 G tile cache; (3b) in the Undo History dock, click on the clear undo history button at the bottom of the dock, and see if gimp gets faster. This slowing down will probably be fixed in gimp 3.0. (4) drink less coffee. Gimp may seem slow if you have too much coffee. (5) Number of CPUs/threads mis-detected on some platforms - go to Edit/Preferences and check that Number of Processors to Use is not more than the number of processors you have. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] application suggestions to evaluate tool options - input needed
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 13:05 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote:
On 05/31/12 04:24, eduperez wrote:
So, I'm always using some type of brush tool in GIMP;
I exclusively use round brushes,
that I change in size and hardness quite frequently.
same here.
I have $ and % keys bound to changing hardness, and GIMP comes with
{ [ ] and } for changing the brush size.
In preferences/keyboard shortcuts:
Under Tools,
[ is Decrease Value 2
{ is Decrease Value 2 More
] is Increase Value 2
} is Increase Value 2 More
Under Context,
4 is Decrease Hardness
$ is Decrease Hardness More
5 is Increase Hardness
% is Increase Hardness More
(I added the lsat four bindings myself; on my keyboard $ and % are the
shifted versions of 4 and 5 respectively, and I used to use 2 and 3 and
shifted versions fo those for brush size before I found GIMP already
binds them)
Liam
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Re: [Gimp-user] Export quality setting for JPGs?
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 14:51 -0500, Keith Purtell wrote: When I export a Web JPG from GIMP and it offers me a sliding Quality bar that goes 0 - 100. I want to know if that's an equivalent to the similar JPG quality setting in Photoshop? No; gimp's 75 is awful, although I often use it for the 500 pixel preview images on www.fromoldbooks.org to save bandwidth and to give instant gratification for dialup users. Well, sooner gratification. If I use anything below 90 or 93 in gimp I often use smoothing too, which reduces the visible artefacts. On the other hand you can easily get much smaller files with GIMP for almost the same quality. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP corrupted photo now unable to open! PLEASE HELP!!!
On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 11:45 -0700, Angela D wrote: I spent a lot of time editing this photo and when I uploaded it into gimp to further edit and attempted to save, it would not. Note for the future - use Save to save a copy in xcf or xcf.gz format if you will be working on it again. If there is only one layer then save in png so other programs can open it. Then, use File-export (or in gimp 2.6 or before, file-save) to save a snapshot in jpg, e.g. for the Web. Second note - if there are error messages when you save, make sure the saved file is OK before quitting - this is try with any program, not only GIMP. I've lost a lot of work when the power went out in an unexpected storm, and been frustrated too, so I do know how it feels. My guess is that your disk is full, or you ran out of memory, because there's no image in the file you sent. It's possible it was a bug in gimp, but without knowing exactly what you mean by I uploaded it into gimp to further edit and attempted to save, it would not we can't be sure. For example, how exactly did gimp refuse to save? Was there no save menu item? Was Save there but when you tried you got a message saying it didn't work? What message exactly? There are more than a thousand possible messages you could have got, many not from gimp but from your computer or your network, and if there _is_ a bug it's not going to be possible to fix it without knowing that. Otherwise you might as well say my car is doing something wrong and won't go and now we had to stop in Bognor Regis overnight so you must tell me what is wrong with my car - the mechanic will want to know if it has fuel, if there are warning lights, and if it stopped before or after it hit the brick wall :-) :-) Best, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Merge Save a Copy with Export As [was: Ditch the Save a Copy command (really)]
On Sat, 2012-06-23 at 10:47 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: [Liam wrote] save a copy saves as xcf without changing the image filename It's not doing the same thing as export a lossy copy you might or might not be able to re-open Is this difference enough of a difference to even be a difference for the end user? Yes, because it affects workflow - and because the GIMP user is supposed not to be a beginner computer user, according to the Holy Product Vision :) Neither command takes action without a dialog prompt, neither one changes the file associated with the current image, Save changes the name from Untitled the first time you use it. Save As and Save a Copy are the same except that Save As changes what Save will do next time you use it, i.e. changes the current filename. Save a Copy is useful, for example, for making periodic backups or checkpoints, e.g. as part of a creative process. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] newbie trouble needs to fit canvas
On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 10:28 +0200, Madhatter wrote: I have a square picture with a blank background. I would like to cut off the background so that i only have the real picture in the file (so that background will show around my picture when i use it on a homepage) To remove a blank background, image-autocrop may do what you want. If not, you can use the crop tool. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Tips for digitising/tracing image with GIMP?
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 14:53 -0700, avamk wrote: Do you think GIMP is suitable for this kind of image analyses? Or should I use a vector based program like Inkscape? In GIMP you will need a data structure to track the traced lines, rather than having a plugin just draw them on the canvas. You'll probably find it a lot easier with Inkscape, or with potrace on the command-line (especially under Linux) because the SVG output has XML elements you can traverse. But you might alo be able to do the tracing to paths in gimp and then iterate over the paths using the gimp-get-vector-points and friends (see help-procedure browser in gimp and search for vector) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] How to rotate a 2D image about the Y Axis.
On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 21:30 +0200, stephen wrote: I'm wanting to get different views of a 2D image The computer doesn't know what's on the other side of the image. I've seen software that tries to guess, but it doesn't (and can't) do a very good job from a single image. The way multiple images, e.g. of a car from different angles, are produced is either (1) photograph it from different angles, making lots of separate pictures to use, or (2) make a 3D model of the car, e.g. in Maya or Blender, and then ask the computer to photograph the model from different angles and under different lighting conditions. Alas, the computer also can't make a picture of a person's face by starting with a picture of the back of their head... :-) Hope that helps. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Adjusting Colors But Not Whites
On Fri, 2012-06-29 at 15:44 -0400, Frank Gore wrote: I have a set of icons which are a specific color (blue) with white text on them. I want to change them to be a different color (turquoise) and a fair bit darker, but I want the text to remain white. First, best is to keep the text as a text layer if it's not too late, and to work on the blue layer separately. Second, colours-map has rotate colours, and that combined with using curves to make the image darger without moving the white point, is pretty easy and doesn't involve making new layers. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] correct reference for the Gimp ?
On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:12 -0400, Lyerra wrote: Sorry for the silly question, but... I'm using the Gimp quite heavily in my Ph. D. thesis redaction. I wish to reference it in the bibliography, as it should be. What is the correct/proper way of doing that ? Thanks in advance. Depends on your subject area - e.g. MLA has guidelines to referring to Web sites in references, and you tend to see something like, [GIMP12] GIMP image editor http://www.gimp.org/ accessed July 2012 Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] correct reference for the Gimp ?
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 18:47 -0400, Lyerra wrote: I do not wish to refer to the website (although the reference will contain the website but that is a detail), but to the authors. You'd have an awfully long reference if you named all the contributors. I'd suggest something like, All who contributed towards the GIMP libre software image editing program. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Thank you developers, for your patience.
On Thu, 2012-07-05 at 12:23 +0200, eduperez wrote: In my humble opinion, the quid of the question regarding the new save / export policy, relies on the fact that the new behaviour reflects a change in the intended audience for the project: the old load JPEG + edit + save JPEG serves perfectly to a casual user, who just needs a very basic image editor; while the new import JPEG + edit + save XCF + export JPEG matches the flow of a power user, who uses GIMP to the full of its capabilities. I think if gimp had file-import that might be clearer. A recognition that lots of power users and professional users of gimp do not always need to save in xcf (and ggenerally know when they do or don't), and that pretty much every professional workflow ends with exporting a file, would really help. E.g. before you close an image, you need to know: (1) have you saved it as xcf and, if so, to where (2) have you exported it and, if so, to where Similarly, save and export need to default to the same folder, so that after you've exported an image, save defaults to putting it alongside the exported file, not in ~/Documents each time. I'm not sure how much of this is bugs, how much is gradual evolution of the spec with user experience, and how much is bugs in the spec. Long-term I hope we end up with the concept of a Project which can involve multiple files, resources like brushes, fonts and colours, and its default import, open, save and export places. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml Co-author Beginning XML, Wrox, July 2012 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] CentOS packanges for 2.8?
On Sun, 2012-07-15 at 04:14 +0200, erroneus wrote: You need to build things in the selected build directory, babl, gegl and gimp If glib and gtk versions are too low, you need to build those and their dependancies in the selected directory. DO NOT BUILD IN /usr or /usr/local Just a note here, there are rpm packages fo gimp 2.8 for Centos 6.2 and 6.3 according to rpmfind.net. It's probably also fine to build in /usr/local, it is on most rpm-based systes - as far as I can tell it's only debian and debian-like systems that consider /usr/local to be part of the operating system. But good advice to stay away from it in general, though. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml Co-aauthor, 5th edition of Beginning XML, Wrox, July 2012 -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] CentOS packanges for 2.8?
On Sun, 2012-07-15 at 04:14 +0200, erroneus wrote: You need to build things in the selected build directory, babl, gegl and gimp If glib and gtk versions are too low, you need to build those and their dependancies in the selected directory. DO NOT BUILD IN /usr or /usr/local Just a note here, there are rpm packages fo gimp 2.8 for Centos 6.2 and 6.3 according to rpmfind.net. It's probably also fine to build in /usr/local, it is on most rpm-based systes - as far as I can tell it's only debian and debian-like systems that consider /usr/local to be part of the operating system. But good advice to stay away from it in general, though. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] printing photos on paper etc
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 05:52 -0700, odimegwu david wrote: [...] I want to process some photos for printing (i.e the paper used for printing family and social photos; I believe you understand what I mean?). please, what dpi or ppi do I use on gimp? Btw, what do photographers call such a paper? The paper is photo paper usually, for an inkjet. If you are doing only small changes to pictures, experiment with printing at 144 and 288ppi, and also 150 and 300. If there's text in the pictures you may want to try 600ppi. It will depend on your printer. Usually, each pixel in the image will turn into a square of tiny dots on the paper, so the image resolution is much lower than the dots-per-inch of the printer. The best result for contrast and colour will probably be 1/16th of your printer's highest dpi resolution. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] DON'T HATE the new save vs. export behavior
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 18:44 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: [Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:] On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:43 AM, scott s. wrote: [...] GIMP uses a 3rd party library to read tiff, and I guess GIMP spec doesn't specify if on import if GIMP is to retain meta-data, silently dispose of it, or alert the user that meta-data may be lost. As already explained in this thread, libtiff simply doesn't support preserving metadata. So that would fall into the silently dispose category, then. GIMP can't warn about losing metadata if it doesn't know whether such metadata was present. Having said that, libtiff3 includes the tiffinfo program which is able to display XMP and EXIF metadata from the tiff files I tried. So in fact I think it's the tiff-load and tiff-save file plugins that might be waiting for someone to write a patch to support metadata. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml Co-author, 5th edition of Beginning XML, Wrox, 2012 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Cannot enter Japanese text?
On Sun, 2012-07-22 at 15:47 -0400, Daniel Hauck wrote: When I open the text tool, I try to switch over to mozc and I cannot when using either CTRL-SPACE or ALT-~ (alt-grave). And I also cannot do it by clicking the IME selection thing in the systray as it says (i) No input window when I put the mouse to it. You may need to open tool options for the text tool and choose use input editor. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] DON'T HATE the new save vs. export behavior
On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 09:11 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: As a quick comparison, Windows doesn't allow you to drag-and-drop items directly onto an application's taskbar button either and I don't understand why. Win 95 and Win XP did, in general, I don't know about later versions of Windows. It's not instant, you have to hover over the tab for a second or two. I agree with you, if you drag-and-drop a layer onto a GIMP tab (other than the current image) this can and possibly should be interpreted as paste as new layer in said image. If you hover over the tab long enough the current image changes, and you can then drop the layer. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] MIDI controllers for controlling brush size and colors [was: Save Export Complaints]
On Thu, 2012-09-13 at 08:47 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: [...] What do you think would be a reasonable largest size multiplier (as opposed to actual brush size)? The current value is 1000.0 - in the previous version it was 10.0. I used to patch GIMP to set the max _size) 1000 because the built-in values were really really tiny when working on 2400dpi print images. I didn't usually need a brush bigger than quarter of an inch for what I was doing. But I loved the logarithmic controls. Maybe, simply having the largest brush size as a value in preferences could make up for all use cases. An input device preference to say, behaves logarithmically might work. The edit/Input Devices dialogue has a place for a curve that might work for this, although I can't test it because it says this device has no curve for me even for my USB mouse which is quite rounded actually. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml Co-author, 5th edition of Beginning XML, Wrox, July 2012 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Preventing closing a dock by mistake
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 02:08 +0900, Jehan Pagès wrote: Hello, I have a question which hopefully has a nice answer. :-) Sometimes I would close by mistake a tool dock Look in the Windows menu for Recently closed docks. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml Co-author, 5th edition of Beginning XML, Wrox, July 2012 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] [Request] Do not confirm closing if unsaved image was exported/overwrited ?
On Fri, 2012-09-14 at 00:34 +, minhsien0330 wrote: Dear developers: Can we have a new option Do not confirm closing if unsaved image was exported/overwrited ? It would defeat the purpose of moving Save to Export - that of avoiding accidental work loss. I would like to be told exactly *what* I'm about to lose, since even xcf is lossy (does not store undo history or active fonts, for example). The compromise is to be told whether I've exported each image when I to go to close it, and in what format and with what filename. I've been told 2.8.1 does this. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] [Request] Do not confirm closing if unsaved image was exported/overwrited ?
On Sat, 2012-09-15 at 23:12 +0200, Ofnuts wrote: [...] saving as XCF by accident may make you lose some time, but will never make you lose data, because you can always save the JPG again from the XCF. This isn't always true. For example, after working on a photograph I scale it down e.g. to 600 pixels across, and export a jpeg. If at that point I save the xcf file, I will lose data, because xcf does not store the undo history. Yes, I could use ImageMagick to scale the image, but (1) I do want to see the jpeg preview, as it often needs some extra work in curves or sharpen, and (2) I'm already in gimp :) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Converting Screen Shots
On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 01:55 +0200, crouching_ant wrote: Hi list, I'm a newbie and have the following problem: I have about 2500 screen shots in png-format. I need to convert them all into b/w-pictures. Use imagemagick's mogrify program on a cpoy of the images. How could this be done easily? Furthermore (but I guess that will be the issue in another list), I will have to run all these screenshots through an OCR-program. The best OCR package still seems to be Abby FineReader, which is commercial but about a gazillion times better than any of the Free/Libre ones I've tried. You tell it to Read Images, select the first image, shift-click on the last image to select them all, and go for a short walk (barefoot, of course). Abby can handle colour PNG files just fine. If you are using some other OCR program you'll need to tell us what it is before we can suggest anything in more detail. Note that text on screens often has resolution too low to get good results with OCR. What is the text?? Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] interface to ufraw -- save options
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 22:37 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: Is there a way to tell gimp to bring up ufraw differently, You can run ufraw outside of gimp, not as a plugin. There are also other raw camera image processing tools, including for example darktable, although that has a really confusing user interface and I always end up using google to search for how to save files! But it's still useful if you don't mind its weirdness. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] xcf difficulty
On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 23:01 -0400, Brittany Bug wrote: I want to know if i can save my pic's i create as jpg so i can download them elsewhere Use file-export to do that. Note that jpeg is lossy - you should save as xcf or xcf.gz, and then also export as jpeg, and that way you can edit the xcf file if you later need to make changes. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Stuck Gimp
On Thu, 2012-10-18 at 12:07 +0100, Jonathan Allen wrote: I've got my Gimp stuck. Something happened and it gets stuck in the file dialogue. It will open recently used files, but goes into a brown study on File-Open or File-Save-As and the only way out is force-quit. This Gimp 2.2 on an older Fedora box. If you can upgrade, do so. Buy more memory if necessary. If not... see if you can open other files with other gnome programs such as gedit. Most likely causes - . your hard drive is failing . there's a network file system mount that isn't responding . gimp has arthritis. Massage some celadrin, glucosamin sulphate and some IP6 onto the soles of its feet. :-) . run gimp under strace or under gdb and see what it's waiting for. This generally requires some technical systems knowledge to interpret the output. . be *much* more specific about it goes into a brown study. Is the study carpeted? Are there leather-bound books? Does the file chooser window appear or not? If it appears what does it look like? Are we to read your mind? Does it make a difference what colour socks you are wearing? Was your system previously on a network? Are any file systems full or nearly full? Are you running any other programs or services? It's pretty hard to support software this old (it was released in 2004), and you must be prepared to give a LOT of information. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] multi-threaded Gimp
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 16:50 +0200, Dexter Filmore wrote: Am Thursday 18 October 2012 21:05:35 schrieb Jernej Simončič: On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:47:56 +0200, maderios wrote: I have a Core I7 with 8 cpu. I noticed Gimp use only 1 cpu to save image. If you're talking about saving a file, there's not much that can be done - saving isn't something that can be parallelized. Well... writing to disk sure can't, but I guess there are image compression algos that can utilize multicores? After all, formats as png and jpg as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, tile the image and work on the tiles first. Yes, both jpeg and png are amenable to some thread support. For that matter, disk writes can be parallelized and this can in fact help with perceived performance, although it an also make the system so busy it appears to freeze up during a save. Since saving a PNG file takes several minutes even on fairly fast computers I can sympathize with the desire to make it go faster. so if one would allocate a target memory area in RAM first and then fill the mem map with the to-be-saved data one could open a file handle right from the start and copy the mem portions to disk as they get filled by the compression algo. The problem with this is that you don't know in advance how much memoro to allocate or where to write, because the compression varies depending on patterns of light and dark (for example) in the image. Or another approach would be make a copy of the image in RAM and do the save in the background. That way when using the same file name one would even narrow the state transition of the file to a minumum. It's done in a separate process right now, but copying the image in memory, if it's, say, a one gigabyte image, might be problematic. And the images that need to be sped up are the fast ones. It might be faster in some cases for gimp to do a merge visible layers before a save, I don't know. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Accurate printing and adjustments
On Mon, 2012-10-22 at 20:05 -0500, Dwayne Julin wrote: The big problem I have is trying to set the page setup setting from the File menu - It is stuck at Portrait, A4, Front tray and will not change - it resets every time. It refuses to switch to landscape or US 8.5 x 11. The Print menu from the File menu only has 2 tabs - nothing like what is shown on the on-line manual. What operating system is this? What sort of printer? If Linux, are you using gutenprint or CUPS or what? What colour socks are you wearing? :) Where did you get your version of gimp 2.6.11 (and why are you using an old version...) I find I have to do file-page setup for the specific printer, and then go to file-print immediately. I can't help you any more without more information, sorry. Printing varies a lot between operating systems. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Accurate printing and adjustments
On Mon, 2012-10-22 at 20:05 -0500, Dwayne Julin wrote: The big problem I have is trying to set the page setup setting from the File menu - It is stuck at Portrait, A4, Front tray and will not change - it resets every time. It refuses to switch to landscape or US 8.5 x 11. The Print menu from the File menu only has 2 tabs - nothing like what is shown on the on-line manual. What operating system is this? What sort of printer? If Linux, are you using gutenprint or CUPS or what? What colour socks are you wearing? :) Where did you get your version of gimp 2.6.11 (and why are you using an old version...) I find I have to do file-page setup for the specific printer, and then go to file-print immediately. I can't help you any more without more information, sorry. Printing varies a lot between operating systems. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] trial fit new colours on car picture
On Wed, 2012-10-24 at 15:03 +0200, wallisonline wrote: I have myself a picture of my kitcar which I am looking to change the colour of however I want to preview a selection of colours using GIMP to see how they look on the car. I'd probably try select by colour first, and/or the fuzzy wand. Investigate the litle slider in tool options for how exact the colour march has to be. If you get the whole car selected, grow the selection by a few pixels and feather it, and then you can go to colours-map-wheel and rotate colours. The layer mask solution is a good one but it's fairly sophisticated to start with. The Beginning GIMP book has a lot of really good tutorials, I'd recommend it as an introduction. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Lost grid
On Sun, 2012-10-28 at 16:27 -0600, Donald Miller wrote: I used grid on one file, made a new file, defaulted to no grid. 'Show grid' did not show grid. Here, I did the following in a new file: (1) image-configure grid changed grid size to every 100 pixels (was every 10 pixels but my images are too large for that to be usable) left uncanged the offset of 0 (2) view-show grid and got a grid of black lines. If you are not careful you can end up with a grid of white lines, which won't be very visible in a new image with a white background. Alt-f4, restart, still no visible grid. Don't know about alt-f4, that depends which Linux window manager you use. In some, it will quit the application. Is that what you mean? Config had been changed to zero size. Which config, where, exactly? Do you mean Spacing in Configure Image grid, or do you mean Offset (which is supposed to be 0)? Use Pixels for a measurement - inches are for photoshop users :-) and are pretty much meaningless. You won't see a grid in any case until you use view-show grid (by which I mean Show Grid from the image's View menu, either at the top of the image window or by right-clicking in the image). If you want the grid by default, go to Edit-Preferences, select Appearance under Image Windows, and check the Show grid box. Then press OK. If you want to change the default grid, that's in edit/preferences too, BUT it won't affect any open images, and probably won't affect images you already saved as .xcf or .xcf.gz or whatever, as I think the grid state is stored along with the image (I didn't check, though) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Lost grid
On Sun, 2012-10-28 at 16:56 -0600, Donald Miller wrote: Ok, got a grid of a light color. I think it defaults to the toolbox colours when you configure it. [...] Use Pixels for a measurement - inches are for photoshop users :-) and are pretty much meaningless. Actually, some of us print results to the real world, need in/mm. The dpi setting isn't really meaningful except for some applications to guess the size at which to print, but even there it's not reliable and often not what you want. It's generally best to ignore it completely, *except* in a PhotoShop-based workflow. One of the problems is that PhotoShop users often think pixel is a measurement, whereas the same 3,000 pixel wide image could print 10 inches wide or 1 inch wide or larger or smaller or anywhere between, and the best size depends on the actual printer, the paper and ink, and what you're tring to do. I like to switch [grid] on and off, to help layouts. Not sure yet what I want for default. Suppose I could set in templates. Best might be to configure a keybinding to turn the grid off and on. PS: Don't forget to copy the list in your replies so people know you got sorted out :-) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml Co-author: 5th edition of Beginning XML, Wrox, 2012 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Virtual rescale
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 23:19 +0100, Johannes Bauer wrote: Is it possible to virtually rescale layers in the Gimp? Or is this planned? Because it would be an awesome feature. Not currently - if you want this a lot, check out Inkscape. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml Co-author, 5th edition of Beginning XML, Wrox, 2012 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Allow myself to introduce...... myself
On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 23:07 +, Desmond Devlin wrote: [...] (ps. the 'Keep Calm' images weren't designed using GIMP, but the others are using fonts I searched for using Google) Note, the fact you can find something with a free-to-use search engine like Google doesn't mean the fonts are actually legal to use. Best is to find some reputable font sites (e.g. fonts.com, myfonts.com are a good start, and openfontlibrary.org is good too when it works). I'd strongly urge you to experiment with Inkscape for the sort of images you posted. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml The barefoot typographer - http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp fais saving some jpg files
On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 00:16 +0300, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: Hello I have some jpg files, produced by darktable (git)m, which are opened with GIMP without problems. But trying to save the file leads to an error message, the resulting jpg is 28K in size and broken. What error message *exactly* do you get, and from what program, and when? I had no difficulty exporting from your xcf example to a jpeg image. Maybe posting the original JPG file from darktable would help people to guess the problem. Why are you saving JPEG files and not PNG files from darktable? JPEG is lossy. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Error
On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 20:04 +0100, Sleepingbeautiie wrote: Yeah, decided to re-submit this thing again... lol. Basically, every time I load gimp, it opens for me, ect; but when I close it (to throw some brushes in, ect) it loads slower, and then it gives me a C++/Library whatever error... Roughly how many brushes do you have? What is the error exactly? It's always possible that a brush or a font that you add might make gimp go wrong. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Error
On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 23:54 +0100, Sleepingbeautiie wrote: On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 20:04 +0100, Sleepingbeautiie wrote: Roughly how many brushes do you have? What is the error exactly? To be honest, I'm not really sure. Maybe you could write it down next time. But I do know that there were quite a few brushes that I didn't really need, so that could be the problem too; after the error came around, I cleaned out all the brushes and fonts I didn't need, and then I cleaned out all the other programs that took up too much space, so... . I mean, I might try re-loading 2.7., since people told me that 2.8 probably had a few bugs in it :/ Do you have a working GIMP now? 2.7 was an unstable release - 2.8 likely has fewer bugs overall, but there have been some problems reported on Microsoft Windows that weren't present on Linux, where the main development is done. You should probably use either 2.6 or 2.8, not 2.7. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/ - the barefoot typographer ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Resynthezier: can't make it work
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 19:14 +0100, Dexter Filmore wrote: Suse 12.2, gimp 2.8-git branch installed in ~/gimp, compiled resynth-git prefixed there, too. Can call heal selection and Resynthesize, but the do nothing. If you run ~/.gimp-2.8-git/plug-ins/resynth it should give you a message about being a gimp plugin. If not, maybe you need LD_LIBRARY_PATH, depending on how you compiled gimp 2.8. Both resynth and gimp need to use exactly the same libgimp, so you could also hck that using ldd on both programs (gimp-2.8 and resynth). Also, start gimp from a terminal (console) and watch for error messages. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] time saver?
On Fri, 2012-11-16 at 03:48 +0100, rmooney wrote: I enjoy using GIMP, but I'm looking for some help to cut down on my time watermarking my photos. For http://www.fromoldbooks.org/ I use imagemagick to watermark the images, in a little script (for Linux) I'd be happy to share. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] How to revert to version 2.6 in Ubuntu
On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 18:38 -0800, Pietro Calogero wrote: Hi all, I need to revert to GIMP version 2.6. Please tell me the proper BASH commands to do this in an Ubuntu system. [...] I only have about 20,000 photos, and I need to revise the JPGs or preferably work with PNGs. For 20,000 images I'd recommend learning ImageMagick and doing batch processing. For research in graphics you could also investigate nips2. Bash is not an acronym, by the way, and does not need to be in capital letters. You could also use control-shift-e in gimp instead of control-shift-s (save as), and it's really about the same number of keystrokes. It would probably be condescending of me to tell you where to get a script that reverts to the older behaviour, more or less, or to warn you how unwise it is to use such a script, so I won't do that part :-) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] scanner works with linux
On Thu, 2012-11-29 at 20:00 -0500, Jay Smith wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Gracia M. Littauer gra...@yadtel.net wrote: anyone recomend any newer good Epson scanner that work with linux? I use the Epson Expressionist 1 XL for www.fromoldbooks.org - it's a large-format scanner that I've heard described as museum quality. It included a calibration target and (proprietary Windows-based) software to use it. I've had it for about 7 years, but they are still sold I think. It all depends what you mean by good, really, and your budget. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] UFRaw cutting file
On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 07:47 +0100, Ebizjoey wrote: [...] it is intermittent, like yesterday it was doing it and today it is not, same files. Copy files off a memory card or out of your camera onto your computer before working on them. You may find that helps. I've seen problems with slow cards or faulty camera connections somtimes. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Disabling keyboard menu shortcuts
On Sun, 2012-12-02 at 12:27 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: [...] Wouldn't it make most sense to unify the two, so that the menu selectors are configurable in the normal key shortcut dialog? The use of the alt key to navigate menus ties in to accessibility and to internationalization; the shortcuts do not. An unfortunate side-effect of this is that the alt key mnemonics don't work if the menu bar is not shown, although that may provide an answer for the original poster - turn off the menu bar. You can still right-click to get to the menus. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Question about the new sliders
On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 12:38 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: So two thoughts: 1. Should the integral behavior I am seeing with the up-arrow on the threshold for fuzzy select be going by tenths, or by whole integers? Neither, it depends on the width of the toolbox. It should go up or down by distance you drag as a percentage of the max value, times max value E.g. when the up arrow is one third the way along from the left of the scrollbar-thingy, clicking (or dragging at that point, it's the same) gives you one third of the maximum value. So, it's supposed to work as it does, I think. 2. It looks like the bug may be tool-related. What exactly are you saying is a bug? I'm not saying GIMP is bug-free :-) just trying to see if in fact it's a problem with how to use these controls not being obvious, or whether your gimp is behaving different from mine, or whether all the gimps in the world are misbehaving (always a possibility, especially near a full moon). Thanks, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Question about the new sliders
On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 13:46 -0700, Gary Aitken wrote: On 12/05/12 13:12, Liam R E Quin wrote: I don't think so. In the case of the paintbrush size, what is the max value? The maximum value is 10,000. However, since your slider is probably less than 10,000 pixels wide, the approach taken seems to have been to use 1,000 as the maximum settable within the slider, but to let you continue dragging (or edit the number, or use the tiny increment button). It is certainly not reached at the right boundary of the size slider, where it is ~1000. I can drag clear outside the slider to the right edge of the display and get it up to ~9500. Right. The OP was requesting a manner in which to get integral values, which I think is the main frustration. Yes, you can't do that this way. I admit I usually use editable brushes, which are limited to square, diamond, circle, triangle, etc., and I have keys bound to increment-by-10, increment-by-1, and the same for decrement. I think wanting integer-only brush sizes would be an enhancement request, although I'm not sure I understand the motivation: scaling by a non-integral amount sometimes gives better results. But maybe integral brush sizes is just a thing I happen never to have wanted :) [...] From what you've described as the formula, I would say it may be mostly behaving as intended, modulo the max value issue and modulo the where is it supposed to be clamped on the right boundary issue. I think this is a feature and not a bug. BTW you've probably already seen I may have jumped the gun and filed a minor bug on this. My apologies. No need to apologise, but you might want to revisit the bug description and revise it if appropriate (I didn't check). Could be a full moon thing, as I had a horse magically appear on the wrong side of a fence today. But I doubt it ;-) :-) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml The barefoot typographer - http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] gimp multipage tiff
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 11:52 +0400, Oleg wrote: Hi, all. Gimp open a multipage tiff as a multilayer image and i can edit it. But when i save it, all layers are merged into one and i've get a onepage tiff. How can i save a multipage tiff? No easy way, although someone my have a script to save individual layers to separate files, and you could then probably use imagemagick to recombine them. Imagemagick (or the fork, graphicsmagick) is often included with Linux distributions such as ubuntu or rosa. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Photo protection - transparent foreground
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 14:48 -0600, Chris Mohler wrote: FYI, anyone with the knowledge can defeat this protection quite easily. For example, by taking a screenshot... Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancing text
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 05:05 +0100, RogueRanger wrote: The procedure I normally did after writing the text was to go to Layer/Style and then you would have several options, like drop shadow, etc etc. I GIMP does not have layer styles. (GIMP also does not have a large team of programmers, nor even a team of large programmers...) One way to get a drop shadow on text... (1) in the layers dialogue, make sure the text layer is active (2) duplicate the layer (3) make the lower copy active, right-click on its name and rename it to Shadow (4) use filters-gaussian blur. Probably a radius of 7 pixel would be fine. (5) select the move tool, and then use the arrow keys on the keyboard to move the layer right 3 pixels and down 3 pixels, to make a shadow. The Artist's Guide to GIMP is a book you may find useful. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] a new GIMP book
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 07:17 +0100, Olivier wrote: See http://nostar.ch/BoG_promo Olivier, I'm sure it would actually be fine to send a synopsis of the book to this list for people's information; I think that's more useful than being too embarrassed to tell people the book is on sale this week :-) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancing text
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 21:05 -0500, Steve Kinney wrote: [...] A while back I found another method for outlining text [...] 2. Right click on the text, select Path from text from the drop menu.* Yes, it gives slightly better results, but, as I wrote, I was trying to give methods that didn't involve learning too many things at once :-) There are also interesting possibilities using text-shaped holes in layer masks. It would be awesome to see the ability to apply a filter to a text layer, such as blur, and have gimp remember that; the GEGL version in the future might offer such things. Best, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] (no subject) [view all colours in an imge]
On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 23:15 -0500, christopher draper wrote: Is there a way to view all the colors in an image at once in GIMP? If not is there a place I can suggest it? Is this for an indexed image? Colours-Info has an option to generate a pallette from the colours in the image, but an RGB image of, say, 3000 x 3000 pixels from a digital camera can contain an awful lot of colours in it! -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Unskewing images of flat rectangular objects in Gimp
On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 00:46 -0800, Elmer Wix wrote: The size and aspect ratio of the rectified quadrilateral isn't always close to what I want it to be, though. I use it like this when I can: 1. crop the image so the object is in the middle, approximately (or float it to a new layer together with enough of the surrounding image to contain the result easily) 2. use corrective (reverse) mode with the grid 3. align the grid with a vertical one the left side, half-way doen. 4. move the top *and* the bottom of the grid by the same amount, but in opposite directions. 5. Now repeat for the right-hand side. 6. Do the top of the image, again using a half-way point, and being careful to move the corner points diagonally in a line with the adjustments you already did! 7. Finally do the bottom - this is the most important edge usually, for the human eye, to think something is level, so do it last. This way the image doesn't grow huge or shrink to be tiny. If you get it wrong, you have to undo and start over. I've spent half an hour or more doing this on some images. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Suggestions for the GIMP
On Thu, 2013-02-07 at 09:44 -0800, Richard Gitschlag wrote: There are not many applications where the undo history is considered a tangible part of the current document/project being worked on. No, although I've encountered it. Most programs are indeed lossy in this regard. (On the same note, GIMP is the only application I know of where even the selection is considered a tangible part of the current document either. I've used others, although I think not recently - ranging from CAD software to SGML editors, although none were below $1000/seat. I can easily spend 10 or 20 minutes working on a selection in GIMP, though, so I'm OK with that warning. Or would be, except I only use xcf for about 1% of the images I edit, and all the others are saved (they have only one layer) to PNG. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Suggestions for the GIMP
On Fri, 2013-02-08 at 08:25 +0100, Gunold Brunbauer wrote: Is there any way to save the undo-history ? Not currently, no. It may happen after the move to GEGL,which is currently in progress but a lot of work. -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Screen tearing and slow when panning the canvas under windows 7
On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 04:31 +0100, jarmade wrote: i just reinstalled windows after using linux for a few months Bad move :-) Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 460/PCIe/SSE2 Graphics Driver version: 310.90 Did you get the driver from nvidia's Web site? Check for firmware and driver updates first. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open
Is it time to have Import for non-xcf files? How about * File-Open filters to *.xcf* by default; attempting to open a non-xcf file brings up a message, myfile.jpg is not an XCF file. Would you like to import it? * File-Import behaves as open as layers today, unless the image is not dirty, in which case the first opened file replaces the background layer; Open as Layers is removed. * File-Maderios behaves as open but when you press Ok it uninstalls GIMP. :-) The distinction is then that you're editing a gimp-native file, and the other image files opened and closed, loaded and exported, are like the shuttles surrounding the mother-ship. But maybe this belongs on the brainstorm wiki or something. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] import vs open
On Mon, 2013-02-18 at 14:06 -0600, Chris Mohler wrote: Current File-Open makes sense as it is, at least to me. File-Save made sense to people too. But if GIMP is an XCF editor that can only save xcf files, being able to open non-xcf files is an obvious bug, a hole in the metaphor. It should only open xcf files. Non-GIMP files are imported to emphasize the data loss and that they are not primary. As for File-Import, I don't understand why it would ever replace anything - much less why the clean/dirty flag would be the toggle. Maybe I'm missing something. Or I wasn't clear, I think. It's not really clean vs. dirty, but whether the canvas is new and unused and empty. E.g. try this in a word processor: open the program and you get a blank canvas into which you can type right away; open a file and it replaces that blank canvas. This is actually a separate issue from open/import really. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] What is wrong with this picture?
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 14:03 -0800, Richard Gitschlag wrote: You missed only one (very important) detail: The tool's Overlap setting. No, I did it at 50% and mentioned that. All pixels with hues falling between a 15° ~ 45° deviation from Magenta (a 30° range, or 50% of the 60° between Magenta and its neighbors) will receive a variable percentage (100% ~ 0%, respectively) of the Magenta channel's adjustment. Right - but only those pixels - and no, no magenta channel, they get their hue remapped. You could think of I use the tool a lot. Try it with the master colour selected and as you move the Hue slider you'll see it works just like Colours-Colourise, colouring the entire image to the hue you select. With just Magenta and and overlap, it's like doing select by colour in Hue mode with a broad range, without feathering the selectoin, and then running colours-colorise on that selection. Whether it's working as intended is another question, but I get the same sort of results regardless of which colour range I choose to remap. Best, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Toolbox Disappears
On Sat, 2013-02-23 at 07:38 +0100, androidlove wrote: I'm using 2.8.4 in multi windows mode fullscreen. Sometimes the toolbox will disappear. I have to hit my Windows key and then click on Gimp in the Windows toolbar to make it come back. You may find the tab key brings it back. If not, try Windows-Recently Closed Docks I am in no way upset about any of this. Gimp has saved me a few hundred dollars. Linux might save you even more :-) Best, Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml Co-author, 5th edition of Beginning XML, Wrox, 2012 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Image discoloration
On Tue, 2013-02-26 at 04:42 +0100, Llewellan wrote: I have just installed Gimp 2.8 and really, really like it except upon opening an image to work on, Gimp really discolors it. This so spoils the original. Which platform? Linux Ubuntu? Which version? One possible reason is to do with colour management - you might need to use Edit/Preferences to disable colour management. This can be needed in particular if (1) there's a bug :-_ or (2) you have an incorrect colour profile for your monitor (not uncommon on Microsoft Windows I hear), or (3) the input file has an embedded colour profile that's incorrect. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Want off the list
On Sun, 2013-03-03 at 12:37 -0800, Ari Yoder wrote: I would like off this list. How do I do that? If you can do that, please do so at your earliest convenience. Thanks . . . You can no longer unsubscribe directly; instead, you must now use the Export dialogue to become a Previous Subscriber. Oh, wait :-) (see the instructions at the end of this and every message) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Commercial use of GIMP
On Sat, 2013-03-09 at 21:31 +0100, Krzysiek Olak wrote: Dear support GIMP, Can I use GIMP commercially? To make sure you get a clear answer... GIMP can be used commercially, yes. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] How to flatten images of book page
On Thu, 2013-03-21 at 16:35 +0100, Mario Valle wrote: The new cage tool is fantastic to solve the following problem, but I need suggestions how to be more effective. I take a photo with the smartphone of a book page. I need two hands for this. Don't forget that you probably also have feet... Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Install Issues
On Sun, 2013-03-31 at 18:47 +0200, Bunky67 wrote: Is this gimp 2.8 not able to be used on my machine Possibly not under Windows XP; depending on the system it may work fine on the same machine but under a GNU/Linux™ operating environment, for example. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Rotate image gest squashed
On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 18:58 +0200, Dunkgrease wrote: That is exactly what I am doing. But the image is squashed. If you take a tall thin image and rotate it you will get a short wide image. If this is not what you expect, or you are trying to do something different, you'll have to explain using a lot more words :-), much more clearly, perhaps with examples. Please don't post images to the list, but you can post them to imagebucket or somewhere and then send us the URL, and an explanation of what you want to happen exactly, and what actually happens, and we can try to help :-) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Scripting Gimp's Hue-Saturation tool's overlap?
On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 05:46 -0600, Sam Bizzell wrote: Thanks Kevin! I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out another way to simulate the overlap behavior, sure haven't been able to come up with anything yet. Do you have any suggestions, or know where I could look for the answer? I also need to submit a feature request to have this added to a future Gimp. Are you using gimp 2.8? On which platform? If you compile your own gimp, this would probably be reasonably easy to add. An alternative might be to see if there's a saturation argument to the rotate colours plugin. Another way is to use select by colour, perhaps, and then affect the selection, perhaps on a duplicate layer and using desaturate and layer opacity? Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign
On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 11:22 -0700, Tom Williams wrote: On 04/12/2013 10:41 AM, Sam Gleske wrote: We live in an age of high resolution monitors. Higher resolution images would be good to take advantage of that. High resolution monitors might be frequently installed but many people won't use them at high resolutions. The answer to this is liquid, responsive designs using CSS media queries. This approach works in all modern browsers and is compatible with older browsers (and with Web crawlers). Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign
On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 18:02 -0400, Kasim Ahmic wrote: As for the CSS, I'm attempting to get it to pass W3C specs but it's proving difficult for whatever reason. I'll keep trying though. If validator.nu or the W3C validator is complaining about prefixed properties, check with caniuse.com maybe, but the validators don't in general like prefixed properties - ignore those warnings move on with life. It *is* worth checking in the browser console (e.g. control-shift-k in firefox or chromiumuouioiouiouiuum) for CSS errors or warnings and understanding them. If it's more than that, let me know if I can help. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign
On Thu, 2013-04-18 at 20:51 -0400, Sam Gleske wrote: On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: Why not? Hey, Julie, do you have the download link for gimp? Yeah, it's... uh... I can't find it I wanted to run gimp on my iPad.. That's my point. GIMP doesn't run on anything but desktop applications. I don't see the need for a link to download files on a mobile in our case; iPad included. I'm sorry I wasn't clear. GIMP does run on some mobile devices today; that number is likely to increase. for example, Android, but you're right that it's not the main focus of development. In addition, someone using a mobile device might look for the download link to give to someone else, or to save for later. Or I might want to download GIMP when I'm in a coffee-shop to take back to my home where I don't have good bandwidth. Although it's common to make a mobile-specific Web site that's stripped down, the main functionality should all be there. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Which is the best book about Gimp?
On Wed, 2013-04-24 at 20:13 +0200, marciomendonsa wrote: Hello Folks!! I read The Beginig Gimp - From Novice to professional and would like to learn more about Gimp! After that, which is the best Gimp book? Best is to use GIMP yourself for a while, to look on the Web, at the GIMP plugin registry, at examples (e.g. deviantart.com has a lot of user-submitted work done with GIMP)... It all depends on what you're doing. I especially like The Artist's Guide to GIMP for a tutorial-based approach. I was recently sent a copy of The Book of GIMP: A complete guide to nearly everything which is much fatter and somewhat more up to date than Beginning GIMP, but it might be too close to what you already have. There's probably also a national bestseller book of the movie Pulp Fiction which describes a different, but not unrelated, GIMP :-) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] making a plug-in (bridge 2 programs)
On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 04:40 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:07 AM, Vata-Raven wrote: There a few other videos showing off the bridge on youtube...not many. Granted CS2 is free... Except it isn't really :) CS2 is free as in zero dollars, but not free as in liberty. You are not free to redistribute it or to make changes to it and redistribute those changes. I don't think it's productive to argue about whether this is the case since it's easily verified, as Vata-Raven pointed out. It might be that not too many people know that CS2 is a free download, though. Luckily lots of people know that GIMP is free, even if they don't all know what that really means. :) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] making a plug-in (bridge 2 programs)
On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 07:31 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:07 AM, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 04:40 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:07 AM, Vata-Raven wrote: There a few other videos showing off the bridge on youtube...not many. Granted CS2 is free... Except it isn't really :) CS2 is free as in zero dollars Neither that. You are supposed to have had bought a license before. You're right, sorry - they've changed it since I was last there, and also added the text about the activation server. -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] making a plug-in (bridge 2 programs)
On Mon, 2013-04-29 at 19:54 -0400, Kevin Cozens wrote: The GIMP plug-in needs to be able to obtain a list of textures available in the currently loaded DAZ scene, load the selected images in to GIMP, and have GIMP pass the modified image back to DAZ. Best bet would be to contact DAZ and see if they will share docs, or the source, of their existing plugin(s) to talk to ZBrush and PS. Whoever asks should have written a GIMP plugin for Microsoft Windows in the past and be familiar with IPC and with event-driven programming on Windows, and should get (if possible) permission to share the source with the GIMP community - a long-term relationship, not a one-night... er, not a short thing. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Selection Bug?
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 16:43 -0400, Scott O'Nanski wrote: Here's the situation; I'm using GIMP 2.8.x I'm attempting to make a pressed letter effect with two layers. One layer is a text layer, the second layer (above the first) is a selection of the text from the first layer. I'm attempting to fill the selection on layer 2 with black and nudge it down by three pixels. So, I have the selection filled on layer two, but I can't nudge the outline with the rectangle tool, and I can't used the position spinners either. First, you'll end up with a drop shadow effect if you do this. Bump map on a blurred copy might work better. Second, though, make sure the layer you want to move is the active one in the Layser dialogue (control-L to show it) and use the arrow keys to move it. You may need to right-click in the image window and press ESCape to dismiss the menu, to give keyboard focus back to the image. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Folder display
On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 17:31 +0200, Shinnen wrote: Hi all, I would like to have Gimp open a specific folder (in my camera's SD card) and display thumbnails of the JPGs in that folder, so that I can click on the one I want to work on and have it open full size. Can this be done? Thanks, Since you don't mention which computing environment you're using I'm going to guess it's Microsoft Windows - the file manager should do that for you. If it's GNU/Linux™ under GNOME, I use gthumb for the purpose - right-click on an image and use open With, or select multiple images and drag them onto GIMP. Liam * Linux is a registered trademark of Linux Torvalds -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Dark Theme for GIMP?
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 09:52 +0900, Jehan Pagès wrote: Hi, on various websites, you can see screenshots of GIMP with dark themes. There are quite a few dark themes that work with gimp today, at least on Linux - I have not tried other platforms. Any dark gtk+2 / gnome 2 theme for controls should work. I also use a monochrome icon theme. I do find the dark theme and mono icons less distracting, especially when I use a dark theme for everything else on my screen. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Dark Theme for GIMP?
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 20:29 +0900, Jehan Pagès wrote: Ok. I remembered for instance years ago, when everybody started to make their personal website with broken html, most were dark because it seemed cooler. Then it was told that dark websites are harder to use/read and finally are not that good for the eyes. And indeed now nearly all big websites use light colors. The big search engines started to penalise dark sites, so it was a money issue. The reason was that people would set the background to black in a paragraph or div element near the bottom of the page and have a whole bunch of search engine spam keywords in black on a black background that didn't show up. The other problem was that before CSS was widely implemented you couldon't style forms very well, so the input fields would tend to end up white on a white background. Actually if you use the evolution mail program you may still run into this with gtk styles in gnome 2, and also if you have a dark gtk theme you'll find logging in to ebay trickier than before. In general, though, dark backgrounds are good for image processing. For text, for years ASCII terminals were made with green text on a black background to reduce eye fatigue - or possibly because it was cheaper, I'm not sure ;) A lot of it will depend on your immediate environment, the brightness and contrast of your screen, viewing distance, and the amount of blood getting to your brain (drink water to help regulate blood pressure; take off shoes; sit upright; exercise...) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Folder display
On Sat, 2013-05-11 at 13:05 -0700, Burnie West wrote: On 05/10/2013 09:31 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote: Linux is a registered trademark of Linux Torvalds um-m -- Linus Torvalds ? oops, silly typo there :-) Linus did own the trademark last time I checked. -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP 2.8x on Linux Debian Squeeze?
tl;dr - see http://azul.m.iguel.net/Blog/?entrada=73 On Mon, 2013-05-13 at 09:06 +1000, Owen wrote: From: Henry W. Peters Does anyone on the list here, have any actual knowledge or experience building GIMP 2.8x on Linux Debian Squeeze? My current version of GIMP is 2.6.1. You can build any number of gimps independent of each other. The real issue is that Debian Squeeze is going to be too out of date to make this easy. For example, it has libgtk2.0-0 2.20.1-2, whereas gimp I think needs 2.24 or later. The included version of gimp is 2.6.10. At a guess Henry will need to build . gimp . gegl . babl . pango . gtk2 . gdk2 . atk . gtk-pixbuf . harfbuzz (I think) . cairo . pixman . glib Probably a new autoconf will be needed, and likely a new gcc, libc, and more. Compare . http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gimp . http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gimp The tutorial for ubuntu would work with a newer Debian release. However, http://azul.m.iguel.net/Blog/?entrada=73 has instructions for building gimp 2.8 on Squeeze. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Using Ctrl + Scrollwheel to Zoom
On Sat, 2013-06-01 at 20:21 +0200, richardchiu wrote: I used to be able to use the shortcut of ctrl + scrollwheel to zoom around on the image I'm working on. Now I can't get this shortcut to work for me anymore. I tried reinstalling GIMP 2.8.4 with no luck. Control-mousewheel works here, with gimp 2.8.2 on Mageia Linux 3.0 with gnome 3.4. Do you have a graphics tablet too? Or, have yuo configured anything in Input Devices? Where exactly did you get gimp 2.8.4? Which Linux distribution are you using? Gnome, KDE, or what? Which version? (or, if Mac or Windows, exactly which version and 32 or 64 bit and where did yuo get it and do you also have a wacom tablet?) I'm sorry to ask so many questions, but my telepathy skills are failing me today... Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 22:37 -0400, Helen wrote: The export feature could have been added without disabling the save as feature. Control-shift-e (export to) works like the old save as for non-xcf formats. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] How to colorize image
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 04:11 +0200, tipiyano wrote: Hi, I am having trouble colorizing a greyscale image. Note that the first step is to change the image mode to RGB (go to the Image menu and select Mode, then RGB). If this isn't it, you'll need to give us more details - exactly what did you try, what did you expect to happen, what actually happened. Be precise and clear enough that someone else can follow your steps. That way we can help you :-) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] How to colorize image
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 04:45 +0200, tipiyano wrote: Thanks for your reply Liam. Sorry I didn't include enough information. I was just trying random things so didn't think it would be very helpful. In any case, I tried two different methods but neither worked: I tried (1) colours-invert, since in your pink version the swirls are lighter than the background, not darker; (2) colours-colourize, Hue: 323 Saturation: 50 (unchanged) Lightness: 41 (to colour the background) Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] for me a sad case - xcf -file lost
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 00:27 +0200, Uniklaps wrote: Is there anywhere a hidden place on my disk where GIMP save my work in the background (like Open Office) ?? Sadly, no. And: It would be great to have this restore-function in GIMP too when restartíng a hung-up GIMP. I agree. Right now the GIMP core is being reworked - has largely been reworked; next will probably be non-destructive editing, and I really hope then there could be an on-disk journal for recovery and for saving undo history across sessions. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
