*** Goanet News Bytes * June 21, 2006 * Dacoity at Paroda ... Zuari shuttle to get restored ... BJP wants easier English
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*** Goanet Reader: Puzzle wrapped in an enigma, understanding Konkani in Goa
PUZZLE WRAPPED IN AN ENIGMA: UNDERSTANDING KONKANI IN GOA By Pratap Naik, S.J. Pre-liberation Goa: During Goa's pre-liberation period, members of the majority community and common folks of the minority community, for their oral communication, used Konknni. The majority community used Marathi for primary education, for popular religion, accounts, written communication, theatre and other spheres of their lives. The elite of the minority community used Portuguese at home and for education. They used Konknni to converse with the majority community and common folks of the minority community who did not know Portuguese language. Portuguese was considered the language of the cultured. The elite of the minority community looked down on Konknni as a language of the servants and the socio-economically backward commonfolk. Konknni in the Roman script was used for popular religious practices and by the mass media. Konknni written in the Devanagari script hardly existed during this period. It had practically no influence over the members of the majority community too. Marathi also enjoyed a privileged position among the majority community, which identified Marathi as their intellectual and cultural language. However there was no animosity or rivalry among the users of these three languages. These three languages co-existed with unity and harmony. In the post-liberation period: After 1965, in keeping with the teaching of the Second Vatican Council, the Catholic Church all over the world replaced Latin by local languages for the religious domain. Due to this, in Goa too, the Church actively promoted religious services in Konknni. The Church contributed to standardize Konknni in the Roman script, which had its roots in sixteenth century. Let us call this dialect as Roman Script Standard Konknni (RSSK). After the liberation of Goa, Konknni language suffered a number of setbacks. This happened due to partly lack of vision and leadership on the part of the minority community, and partly due to the manipulative tactics used by self-proclaimed protectors of Konknni. *** After the liberation of Goa, Catholic schools introduced Konknni in the Devanagari script as a third language in their schools. The Devanagari proponents succeeded to convince a few leaders of the minority community that the Devanagari script is the natural script of Konknni and it is related to our nationalism and patriotism! Majority of the students were from the Catholic community. They were familiar with the Roman script and the RSSK dialect due to religious literature and mass media. But the RSSK dialect was not taught in schools. A different dialect was thrust upon them in the name of Konknni and nationalism. According to Ulhas Buyanv, one of the stalwarts of Opinion Poll in Goa and veteran Konknni singer, a Konknni dialect of three per cent of a minuscule section of the majority community was forced upon 30% minority community. Students of the minority community who had opted for Konknni had no real option. They were not familiar with Marathi. Besides they never identified with Marathi as their language. Between Marathi and Konknni, they were pushed to take Konknni in Devanagari script. Students learnt Konknni not out of conviction or love of Konknni, but out of sheer compulsion. Therefore, they never took interest in keeping up the language they learnt. Once they finished their education, they simply gave up reading and writing Konknni in the Devanagari script. This situation created a strong feeling of dislike towards Konknni in the Devanagari script among the minority community. If the textbooks had included the Konknni dialect of the majority community and the RSSK dialect of the minority community, this unhealthy tension could have been avoided and a healthy blending of two dialects would have helped to promote a new standard dialect of Konknni in Goa. Dialects and scripts are emotional issues. In a democracy, one group cannot impose their preferences on the others. Language is far more important than its scripts. Unfortunately, among a section of Konknnis (or, Konknni speakers) the Konknni language was identified with the Devanagari script. *** Schools run by the majority community promote more of Marathi compared to Konknni. As on September 30, 2004, there were 137 Konknni medium primary schools run by NGOs. Out of these only six primary schools are exclusively run by the majority community. However, the majority community was running 63 Marathi medium primary schools. On the other hand, the minority community ran 126 Konknni medium primary schools. Konknni can be offered as the third language from the fifth to tenth standard in schools in Goa. As of February 3, 2005, in Goa there are 292 NGO high schools. Out of which only 207 schools offer Konknni as a third language. Out of these, 207 schools 126 belong to the minority community.
[Goanet] San Jao festival in Goa from June 24
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- San Jao festival in Goa from June 24 Press Trust Of India / Mumbai/ Panaji June 22, 2006 Various programmes have been planned for Goa's traditional San Jao festival=20 to be celebrated on June 24.=20 As per mythology, on this day St John de Baptista took a leap in his mother's womb. This leap was considered to be a leap of joy. This festival derives its name from the saint and people celebrate this day by jumping into lakes, wells and rivers across the state, said Fatima d'Sa, chairman,=20 Goa Tourism Development Corporation (GTDC).=20 GTDC has lined up various activities to mark the occasion.=20 We will celebrate this festival on a river cruise Santa Monica which will have splash dance and other activities, she said.=20 Brass brand, a local band, would entertain the guests as the cruise would take them along Diwar and Chorao islands, in Mandovi river, she stated. http://www.business-standard.com/lifeleisure/storypage.php?leftnm=3Dlmnu4= subLeft=3D1autono=3D95749tab=3Dr ~(^^)~ Avelino=20 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] RE: TRAFFIC SAFETY IN SCHOOL SYLLABUS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario Pull the other leg it has bells on it.You draw a fine distinction to take credit for yourself while ridiculing others. Not many are amused by your antics as the posts on Goanet indicate. Mario responds: Cornel, unlike you, I supplement any ridicule I use in very rare and extreme situations - for example all your recent posts, repeating over and over again your belief that 2 + 2 is only provisionally equal to 4 - with detailed explanations of my position. Here we again see that your response to my detailed and logical explanation is sadly lacking in any specifics, any facts, or any logic. Why are you so reluctant to be specific, when everything you say is provisional? :-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: India gobbling the world - Malthus has been wrong for 200+ years
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: Having said that, any serious economist has to be gravely concerned with India's population. Even the article link that someone provided on this forum had this to say: Mario responds: Elisabeth, A serious economist is one who observes and accepts reality, based on factual observations of how the world actually works, not plausible but failed theories that have been consistently wrong for over 200 years. Why you continue to defend the indefensible in the face of such a lengthy body of evidence is beyond me. As a true liberal, you may just love the feeling of being concerned, which enables you to know what's good for everyone else, better than they do :-)) For a liberal there's no fun in letting millions of people make micro decisions based on enlightened self interest. After all, what do THEY know. They're just ignorant peasants. Your liberal soul-mate, Cornel, describes anyone who agrees with you two as educated and those who don't as uneducated. But then, it's all provisional. In 1947 India had a population of somewhere around 350 million and was experiencing famines frequently. Today, with a population that exceeds 1 billion, India is a net exporter of food. If there is famine in India, as your source reports, it is being well hidden from everyone else. If India is still lagging, after the economic boom since they jettisoned socialism, it is because liberalization is not occurring fast enough. Elisabeth writes: It is true that you are either a Malthusian economist or you are not. For better or for worse. I am. The basic premise of Malthus' paper was never really wrong. Mario replies: How can you continue to believe in an economic theory that has never been right? For better or for worse is for married couples - even if your husband has been wrong for 200+ years :-)) If an economic theory has been wrong that long there is only one rational conclusion. It is wrong. You remind me of those in the US who insist that Kennedy, Reagan and Bush cut taxes, even though the tax receipts by the US Treasury increased sharply after all three so-called tax cuts. The reason is Kennedy, Reagan and Bush did not cut taxes, they cut income tax rates, which expanded the economy and resulted in an increase in actual taxes to the government. It's the difference between static and dynamic economic analyses. Economics is dynamic, not static. People respond to circumstances, do not just succumb to their environment. Malthus has been wrong for the same reason the tax cut hand wringers have been wrong. His pessimism was based on static analyses, the world is dynamic. This is why Malthus, while sounding plausible to liberals itching to get their hands on the economy, he has been wrong for over 200 years. Elisabeth writes: That resources are not infinite and that unchecked populations will be detrimental. Mario replies: Sounds plausible doesn't it? The problem is that the resources that we need change over time. If one gets scarce, it's price rises to the point where those same people who you would like to flush down the toilet through population control, the euphemism for abortion, come up with alternative resources. Elisabeth writes: India is poised to become the most populous country by the year 2015. Heaven help us all. Mario answers: Heaven will have helped us if this really comes to pass. That is the same population where the cure for cancer will come from, the cure for HIV/AIDS since you liberals object to keeping it zipped up [:-))] the next green revolution, the next energy source that will make petroleum obsolete, etc. etc. etc. Halleluia, I can't wait!!! What a great world. Join the optimists, Elisabeth. If for no other reason that we optimists will never let the pessimists succeed in putting or keeping us down:-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] thanks for the news
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- It is very informative news. Can you please propose for the use of computer with internet facilities for every Goan family. God Bless Read all Goanet messages at: http://www.goanet.org/archive.php?name=Newslist=goanet _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goan Association uk from Conception to Ruby
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Cornel, I think you are talking about Agnes. This was way before my time in the UK . I have not seen this beautiful lady. I came to the UK in 1976 I do know her brothers Flavio Ronnie Amaral they I knew them in Goa in the late 70s. They used to live in Bombay. They did mention about their sister who used to sing for a Goan Band in London. Hence I put 2 2 together and the name Agnes cropped up. Cheers Richard _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Zuari Bridge
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Now that Madhya Pradesh schools have banned english poems such as Ba Ba Black Sheep and Twinkle twinkle little star for being too western, could also well replace 'London Bridge is falling down' by 'Zuari Bridge is falling down' Percy Ferrao Ealing Road. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: More spin or is it 'non-knowledge' from Cornel
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Jose I think the best thing you could do is to write a coherent ctitique of anything you like that has been on Goanet. Just a few moments ago, I saw a critical article on Portugal by Mario de Queroz. It was sent by Fred on Goanet and I opined that, hopefully, there will be a coherent critical commentary from you. Please don't just promise criticism, please do it. However, please let me alert you that I have a lot of 'ammunition' at the ready including for every line I wrote re In The Portuguese Vortex because I can easily defend absolutely everything I wrote in 2004. Good wishes Cornel PS Please do not forget to reply to my long post to you re the substantative question you posed and then I posed two questions in turn. Please do not delay this reply as I know it is still fresh in people's thoughts. - Original Message - From: Jose Colaco To: cornel Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: More spin or is it 'non-knowledge' from Cornel Dear Cornel, a quick response to the few points from you which are strikingly strange . 2006/6/12, cornel cornel@: Subject: Response to More of Cornel's Spin ani bondollam wrt Goa in recent Portuguese _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] CONSUMERS WIN:Goa Govt. rolls back hike in water tariff
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- -- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! -- --- Rane rolls back hike in water tariff The state government today decided to rollback the water tariff for domestic consumption to the rates prevailing in 2002. The decision to this effect was taken at a joint meeting of the Chief Minister, Mr Pratapsingh Rane and the PWD Minister, Mr Ramakrishna Dhavalikar, thereby dropping the controversial water tariff hike notification, which was made effective from October 1, 2005. The decision was taken after the Congress Legislature Party (CLP) meeting held earlier at the Chief Minister's official residence at Altinho, here, voiced protest over the water tariff hike and demanded that the tariff be rolled back. Mr Rane later summoned Mr Dhavalikar and held meeting and finalised the decision. The notification scrapping the earlier controversial notification will be issued by tomorrow. Mr Rane told 'The Navhind Times' that he had given an assurance to rollback the hike in the water tariff in the budget session of the assembly. He said those consumers, who had paid the enhanced water tariff from October 2005, will be refunded. Mr Rane asked the general public to approach the public works department for seeking refund. He also said that the bills in the enhanced rate which have been already issued to the consumers will be rectified by the PWD. The domestic and other small consumers, like student hostels, hospitals, dispensaries, and so on, which are not falling within the purview of the Goa, Daman and Diu Shops and Establishment Act, 1974, educational institutions and recognised charitable trusts and institutions will have to pay Rs 2.50 per cubic metre for first 20 cubic metre. While the second slab, consisting of those consuming water above 20 cubic metre have to pay Rs 5 per cubic metre per month. The minimum charges is Rs 30 per month. In respect of registered and unregistered co-operative housing societies, which have been given a single water supply connection covering large number of residential flats, the basis for the tariff will be number of flats in the housing society and not the single house service connection given for example in case one house service connection for 50 residential flats in the co-operative housing society will be charged Rs 2.50 for first 20 cubic metre and above 50x20 cubic metre will be charged at the rate of Rs 5 per cubic metre. It may be recalled that the government during October 2005, had changed the first slab into four slabs and fixed a tariff of Rs 2.5 per cubic metre for first 15 cubic metre. The second slab was Rs 5.50 per cubic metre for consumers who consume water above 15 cubic metre to 50 cubic metre. The third slab was Rs 12 per cubic meter for those consuming water between 50 cubic metre to 65 cubic metre. While the those consuming above 65 cubic metre the tariff was Rs 30 per cubic metre. Besides, the government had also directed the co-operative housing societies to register themselves within six months, threatening to discontinue their water connection. This had triggered a protest from the state unit of the Youth Congress as well as from the opposition BJP. --- The Navhind Times 14/06/06 page 1 --- - GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK -- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa - GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Thanks JoeGoaUK for 'Sant Antoni bokta ' lyrics
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Joe Thanks for the lyrics of the hymns Sant Antoni bokta, I was trying to sing the hymn but could not get the lyrics right. Like God send I received the Goanet digest in which I Found the lyrics send by you. You are really doing a good job for the Goans scattered around the Globe by keeping them in touch with their culture, news etc etc God bless you Rosario Abel D Fernandes K.Saudi Arabia _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Thanks
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- THANKS! Goanet reader, if it was not for yourll then we woulnt get so much news and information on goa really.. This is really so true what has been expressed in this essay about school behaviour of students changes in the past and present which is only getting really dangerouse for the future of our upcoming generation and hence we are resposible to do something really,thankx again it opens our mind great cheersperpetual Read all Goanet messages at: http://www.goanet.org/archive.php?name=Newslist=goanet _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Tourist safety in Goa...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Reema Kamat, How are you... I have another article for you... this time... It's just a simple conversation I had with one of my Kuwaiti friends... and thought it a good idea to write about it... Here's the article: A Kuwaiti friend of mine said to me the other day, Goa used to be very safe, with no crime and tourists felt safe. But, unfortunately the crime rate is climbing! I dont know what causes it. Is it due to the many poor people who have begun to enter into the state through the many means of cheap transport made available by trains and buses or due to the Street Trader or the locals themselves? Here's what I shared with her I do agree with you that, of late, Goa seems to be receiving some unfavourable publicity due to several tourists being robbed and murdered! Although Goa does not have a high crime rate and is still relatively safe for anyone exercising common sense, yet, I can't help but say, Tourists do attract criminals and con artists, like dogs attract fleas! You see, it couldn't be the Goan people who have started to commit the crimes, because Goans are friendly and helpful. I'm not saying this because I too am Goan, but because it's a known fact! If you try to speak a little Goan, they will appreciate and try hard to communicate with you. The Goan culture is different from the culture in the whole of India. Many Goans are desperately poor, but even then, the vast majority would not resort to crime! In fact, Goan society tends to look after the unfortunate and families are known to stick together and help their family members. For those who say, It's due to the Street Traders. They could be right, but, sending street traders off the street will amount to denying many of them of their source of livelihood. I remember once asking a little boy, Where's your mother? He pointed his small little finger towards a direction and said, She's there. I felt so terrible for that little boy and I said, Then why are you standing here in the heat and selling these fruits? And he looked at me with those cute little eyes of his and said, I have to help my mother! I ended up not buying anything from that sweet little boy. Instead, I gave him some money and in return, he gave me a huge smile! My friend kind of agreed with me about the street traders and I clarified that point too! If street traders should be moved off the street, it wouldn't be because they are a nuisance, but to put order to a previously unmanageable and messy state! For example, the Candolim area is full of shelters covering most of the pavements with no walking space for pedestrians! This only serves as a nuisance! So, in my opinion, I don't think street traders are a nuisance. Why? Because they sell things at a cheaper rate and more available as one can get things on the way home. The only thing the government should do is give them a central place where they can sell their goods because if they are chased from the streets where will they go? They are the people who will start beating other citizens to look for income. A central market could be regulated by the government to prevent its abuse. Street traders close to the roads and pavements should, however, be prohibited and some kind of order and regulation is needed. She continued to be negative about the street traders saying, But, don't you agree with me when I say that the street traders are not a tourist attraction? I replied her, Yes, you are right! They are a poverty stricken people trying to earn money to feed themselves and their families. She continues, Whenever I visit India, I am bathed by them, and yes they do test your patience! I know exactly what she meant and I said, They sure do test your patience, but, don't you see the desperation in their eyes? They just need to sell their goods in order to survive! If you ask me, I would rather buy some beautiful handmade jewellery or deliciously fresh fruit and vegetables from the street trader at virtually and literally a cheaper price than enter a glazed window seller, where I would end up paying double She was kind of taken aback at what I said, but at the same time, she didn't comment any further! I continued with my explanation to her about crimes in Goa and how it could be prevented I know that each of us is responsible for our own actions and that tourist's should be
[Goanet] Dear Aunty - U r just hilarious! U make my day- Thanks Francis Rodrigues!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Aunty Saude e Paz, Congratulations to you dear aunty for your creative writing in this column. You are the true cyber social worker. It really makes my day. Keep it up. Just today morning I thought about writing to you when I saw an East Indian lady in her 40s, dipping a doughnut in a Tim Horton coffee cup in a Mall in Toronto. I just couldnt believe it. So I said I will ask Dear auntie about it. Kitem muntta antti, pettoi gue pontti..ami zataum (said Alfred Rose) 1) What is the difference between a) You are pulling my leg b) Putting in my ear in Konkani (mhojea kaanant ghalta?) 2) What do you say in English for Chaient bhakri buddoi? or during Bhikream jevonn, buddoin jevonnpaum verdurant buddoin jev? 3) How do you say Limboi in English? And do people still limboying in America? What would Bush say to it, that it is a terrorist attack? 4) Xitt addi gue 5) Say hi to Ancol. Or are you diworced gue antti or konnank ghevn ravta kitem gue? Tempa pormannem, mateak kurponem? 6) I remember there was a weekly advice column called Mogall Azo in Cine Times, published from Marine Lines/Princess Street, Bombay 2, long time ago. Mogall Ajea, aum mogan poddon, mhojea kallzak mar boslo, Atam vokot kitem? (vichar) To Azo tuzo soiro lagta gue? Tum poir Saturday Kidd Tiatrak eileli gue Toronto? 7) Poir kon eklo melo ani ek cheddum Cardinal funeral home-ant eilem ani meleleache ghovak munnonk laglem Congratulations, Tor tea munxean kitem nhunnpachem ? Shame to you? Hea proshnamcho zabab di gue antti veguim. Ani khellant chitt dhaddtat toxi dhadd. Tar zang zang zang. Kuroikar Oh gara, chitt, chitt Konnaili re puta? Dear Auntti muttai ti boroita Amerikak san If u r a female, send me an email Ani ti lol mutta Antti. lol mullo kit gue? Lollon lolon hanspanchem? arre atam tempar kuoikar fuinche? Atam soglem satt butt latt zalam Goeam, soglem sophisticated. No more limboi in Mumboi. Tissue is he issue. Mog assum di aunty! Babush! BTW welcome to Viva Goa on July 29, see you all there! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: Dear Carmo.....of Bandra, Hockey and Sorpotel...................Aubrey
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Aubrey, Thanks for the info. Please email me Errol's phone #. Also, I copied you in the email just to make it very clear to you that Good Ole Goalkeeper Leo Pinto is a GOAN - a son of Goa and a son-in-law of Bandra. Later, some years down the road, I don't want you to put on the Internet that Leo Pinto is an East Indian from Bandra. We may be separated by a few continents Aubrey - but our seventh standard Goan - East Indian rivalry is still alive. It continued in Dallas in the nineties where as a Stanislite I was outnumbered 3 to 1 by Keith and Kevin Dias and Richard D'Silva (BTW all these East Indian guys have Goan wives, FYI) I personally met good ole Leo Pinto in December and got all the facts. I have still to verify your old claim that Cedric Pereira is an East Indian. I believe he lives in Western Australia these days. Of course it was the East Indian Gomes family from Bazar Road that helped me a Goan to hone my goalkeeping skills esp Timmy (Hilary Gomes) and Wency at Stanislaus. Also please note that current India Hockey Goalie Adrian D'Souza is neither a Goan nor an East Indian - he is a Mangalorean. Otherwise you may claim him too and put him in your list. We got to be careful that our Goan - East Indian rivalry doesnt go too far, otherwise the enterprising Mangies (like Denzil Rego, etc.) will take over Bandra. BTW I heard thru the grapewine that enterprising Stanislite Santosh Shetty is selling East Indian Bottled Masala and other spices in Hamilton, Ontario. So why are you guys not hawking your own stuff ? Once we Goans get our hands on that, then our sorpotel will become more reddish and zestier than yours. BTW, Keith, Kevin and Richard are all enjoying the Goan sorpotel these days. They appear to have lost the reddish, zesty East Indian formula - unless Santosh Shetty can help them out. I hope I have stirred you up and the melting pot of Bandra sorpotel enough, Aubrey Best Regards, Carmo From: Aubrey Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dear CarmoAubrey Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:27:31 +0100 (BST) Dear Carmo, I spoke to Errol today,he lives in Bhayender. I doubt he has much time in in life to know who is Vanessa Netto. Cheers, Aubrey Hi Errol, Just read of a promising Women's Hockey Goalkeeper Vanessa Netto from Hill Road, Bandra - she was featured on a Mid-day edition on the net. see mid-day link below: http://ww3.mid-day.com/metro/bandra/2004/may/83251.htm Now who is Vanessa Netto ? Is she related to you Errol ? since you once played in goal and since your maternal family has a long goalkeeping tradition - being a family of St. Stanislaus hockey goalkeepers - Wency Gomes, Hilary Timmy Gomes, Clarence Clarry Gomes and Percival Percy Gomes ? I would sure like to know. Also please tell us more about Food Fantasies. I am delighted to know that Vanessa Netto is keeping Bandra's hockey goalkeeping tradition alive. This was started by Good Ole Leo Pinto in the 1948 London Olympics. Although he was born in Kenya - he hails from a family from Camarcazana, near Mapusa, Goa - he married Janet who was a East Indian from Bandra and is settled there, near the Mt Mary steps. I last met him in Dec. He is going strong at 93. Go Vanessa... Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, Stanislite, Class of 75 Indian Harbour Beach, Florida. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goan presence in Diocese of Mylapore
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi folks We are researching the birth and growth of the Diocese of Mylapore which is celebrating its 400th year this year. Born out of the Goa diocese and later run under the padradao and then becoming the Diocese of Madras-Mylapore, the diocese has had a colourful history but little has been compiled on it. Now, mere functions are lined up. A bunch of us keen on history and heritage are working on this project. We are looking for contacts with the Jesuits run Historical Research Centre in Goa, Archiodiocese of Goa ( priests who have done church history projects), any NGOs with support from Portugal who have done work in this area, families whose men and women worked in this diocese here. Frederick Noronha, my journalist friend, has been of some help. We welcome your leads - ph nos, email IDs, addresses etc Cheers Vincent D Souza Madras (Chennai) Vincent D'Souza's popular column - Jottings. Now on a blog. http://vincentsjottings.blogspot.com MYLAPORE TIMES - neighbourhood news weekly, every Saturday, 30,000 copies e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] KUTCHERIBUZZ - web site for classical music and dance. http://www.kutcheribuzz.com News - Features - Pictures - Quiz - Sale of albums. 77, C. P. Ramaswamy Road, Alwarpet, Chennai-600 018. Ph: 91-44-24982244. Fax: 91-44-24671122. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: *** Goa's education conundrum: English or mothertongue, choice isn'tyours
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- My son is schooling in Indian Embassy school in Saudi Arabia. He is in STD VIII.- CBSE Board. Many of our family friends sent their children to India to continue their studies from STD VIII in India thinking that they will have problems later on because of NRI quota. Therefore, may I take your advise or suggestion please whether I can send my son to Goa from NINETH or sent him to Goa to continue his studies from VIII or is it better to complete his TENTH HERE and then send him to Goa for further studies. If he completes TENTH here and then sent him to Goa for further studies, will there be any problem to get the admission in the college for 11th. Do you think any problem may arise for NRI quota? I would be very thankful and grateful if you could kindly advise me on the above by return mail as I would be leaving to India on vacation by end of this month so that I can be prepared for my decision based on your suggestion/advise. Many thanks, especially for sending me Goa news regularly and keep us informed what is happening in Goa. C.M.Gomes Saudi Arabia. Read all Goanet messages at: http://www.goanet.org/archive.php?name=Newslist=goanet _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] India Rocking ? Pause Reflect....
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Go to economist.com/audio on the web and listen to the author of the latest article on India. Does the booming Indian stock market (actually crashing now) reflect a sustainable growth trajectory for India ? The economy = spending. Spending = jobs Where are the jobs and where are the right fit candidates ? Where is the big Indian boom supposedly having its main impact. In IT/BPO. How many does this sector employ ? About 1.3 million out of a workforce of 400 million.The IT/BPO workforce will increase to 2.1 million by 2010 according to McKinsey/Nasscom projections. India is already running short of suitable IT/BPO talent. MckInsey-Nasscom predicts shortage of 500,000 capable graduates by 2010.Costs are rising. Satyam expects to raise wages 18-19% this year. The 1.3 million workers are for the time being at least splurging out their 2-3 lakh because they are relatively young, with no dependents. The ripple effect of 1.3 million workers spending $ 10 billion in wages on cars/bikes/clothes/coffee bars and other frivolities and the multiplier thereof is being felt all around. With India lacking adequate trained English speaking talent the Economist states that the huge future employment opportunity will have to come from manual labour intensive industries. Can India compete here with China ? And here is the butt end of it all - a story how India is speeding ahead. Vineet Aggarwal of the Transport Corporation of India explains in the Economist the typical jouney of a truck journey between two great metro cities of India. Calcutta and Mumbai. This distance of 2,150 km takes 7 nights at an average speed of 11km per hour (yes 11 km/hr) and 32 hours spent waiting at toll booths and check points. India has a long way to go. And to paraphrase the cynic - the living will surely get worse before it gets better - Unless one selfishly believes that an Ipod in the ears, plasma TV in the living room and an occassional barista coffee means that all's well for the nation. Go to doingbusiness.org/Economy rankings. In a ranking of 155 countries by ease of doing business in 2006, the World Bank and IFC ranks India at 116, two places below Iraq, 56 below Pakistan and 25 below China. In part this reflects the huger disparities between individual states and the way they are ruled. Uttar Pradesh has 170m plus people. Some 60% of increase in India's population between now and 2050- the demographic dividend that is raising such big hopes - will come in UP and 3 other northern states with rotten infastructure, education and governance. We need to constantly remind ourselves of these harsh realities when faced with the euphoria of India rocking. We cannot and should not ignore or overlook the masses of the stinking poor who in India threaten to overwhelm the minority of the perfumed 150 million middle and upper class having discretionary income. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa news for June 22, 2006
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** New traffic plan for Panaji city worked out (Navhind Times) Panaji, June 21: A new traffic circulation plan for the Panaji city has been worked out by the Goa traffic police. http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=newsStory_ID=062210 *** Goa information panel starts functioning (Navhind Times) Panaji, June 21: The Goa State Information Commission has started functioning at Ground Floor, ShramaShakti Bhavan, Patto Plaza with Mr A Venkatratnam as State Chief Information Commissioner and Mr G G Kambli as State Information Commissioner. http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=newsStory_ID=062211 *** Kerala in Plate Division Group `A' (The Hindu) KOCHI: : Kerala has been clubbed with former champion Railways and Madhya Pradesh in Group `A' of the Ranji Trophy Plate Division this season. Goa, Vidarbha and Assam are the other teams in the group. Kerala's fixtures: v Vidarbha (Nov. ... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/06/22/stories/2006062209702000.htm *** Goa has failed to enforce smoking ban: NOTE (New Kerala) Panaji: The National Organisation for Tobacco Eradication (NOTE)-India has pointed out that Goa governement had failed to enforce the ban on smoking and spitting at public places in the state. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=11432 *** Domestic tourists thronging in Goa (New Kerala) Panaji: With the arrival of monsoon in Goa, the domestic tourists, especially those from north India, were thronging here, to cool themselves in the showers. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=12131 *** Goa govt to find out foreigners illegally owning properties (New Kerala) Panaji: With the violation of the Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA), 1999 by foreigners brought to the notice by police, Goa government has activated its concerned departments to find out foreigners illegally owning properties in the state. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=11224 *** Jamir lauds Goa's overall development (New Kerala) Panaji: Lauding the overall development of the state in the past few years, Goa Governor S C Jamir today urged the people to work for transforming the state into a more harmonious and progressive one. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=10833 *** Goa to celebrate `San Jao' festival on Jun 24 (New Kerala) Panaji: Various programmes have been planned for Goa's traditional `San Jao' festival to be celebrated on June 24. As per mythology, on this day St John De Baptista took a leap in his mother's womb. This leap was considered to be a leap of joy. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=12137 *** GOA reveals launch line-up for casual games portal (gamesindustry.biz) France Telecom's videogames publishing arm, GOA, has revealed the first three titles to appear on its European free-to-play games portal, which is scheduled to launch in the second half of the year. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=17844 *** India Hot Stocks: Sesa Goa up on Chinese price hike (Reuters via Yahoo! Asia News) MUMBAI, June 21(Reuters) - The following stocks were on the move at the BSE on Wednesday.At 12:05 p.m., the benchmark 30-share BSE index was up 1.35 percent at 9,955.37 points.The 50-share National Stock Exchange Index was up 1.15 percent at 2,894.80 points.--- http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060621/3/2m64t.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] regd.:Shigmo Festival of Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Mr. Martin, I got your reference from the homepage of ASHOKA. I am collecting indepth information regarding connection between the Shigmo Festival in Goa and Africa. I will be grateful if you can suggest me any resource person or any other source, which can be useful to me in this regard. Thanks. Dr. Anjali Rao Read all Goanet messages at: http://www.goanet.org/archive.php?name=Newslist=goanet _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Goa History: Destruction of Temples/In defense of Marlon
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: Dear Mario, I don't know how well you know Marlon but I've known Marlon Menezes for 7 years and counting, and yes he does support numerous causes, especially in Goa. While we constantly take liberties at belittling another people's points of view or arguments, please let us stop short of belittling other people's character, reputation and achievements. In all the years that I've know Marlon, he's never treated me with disrespect and that is as Christian as one gets. Mario responds: I'm glad to hear that Marlon treats YOU with respect, which you will have to agree is a pretty small sample, not to mention an apparent shared disbelief of religion and/or Christianity. I suggest you read his past posts more carefully to see why your sympathies may be misplaced. You may find your comments should have been better aimed at your friend, young Marlon, whom I studiously try to ignore, while he continues his relentless highly personalized abuse, until I notice something particularly egregious in the archives. I really don't need to know Marlon or how he treats one person or the causes he ostensibly supports. Good for him if he does. Are you suggesting that compensates for what he writes on Goanet? I made my point pretty clearly in http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2006-June/043880.html only to receive the now predictable generalities that ignore every specific point I have made. Am I supposed to be impressed? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Helga Constantino and I made our peace very very quickly and cordially. Yes, definitely something was missing or unclear in translation. Hence my initial very short, very polite and very reasonable request regarding what was meant by a particular statement he had made in what was clearly, his interesting article. I am sure the net effect of our brief exchange of posts will alert Constantino that one has to be cautious when responding with an unmistakable sting in the tail, especially when this happened (not to your knowledge) a second time. Cornel - Original Message - From: HELGA GOMES [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961 * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- There are few young Portuguese of Goan parentage who love Goa as much as Constantino does and who are so integrated not only with Goa but with the rest of India too. In fact I have met several who actually dislike India with a vengeance. Be it Constantino's parents, his highly respected grandparents or the rest of his family in Goa who may have inoculated in him this deep attachment for our country but even as a newbie to Goanet I thought he was special and valuable to Goanet. Cornel as someone who is equally valuable to this forum I think a great deal of misunderstanding between the two of you can be attributed to Lost in Translation. You should settle it with a glass of fine Porto. Helga http://goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2006-June/authorpost_id=043286 Let me assure you that I never intended to give you a 'mouthful' and never intended to disrespect you in that e-mail. And me being a post-gradute student, I did not mean by any means to be sarcastic or ironic in addressing you with Prof.. This is the way I also address Prof. Teotonio de Souza, whom I know for a long time and I am quite close to. It's an academic sign of respect. I hope you understand and accept my apologies in case you feel hurt by any remark I could have possibly made against you. Regards, Constantino _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Flexible code - the one atheist's use, or not use:-)).
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, as we can see, religion does not give us a rock solid moral code that has survived unchanged for thousands of years, as was erroneously stated in this forum. The post below and the religious texts themselves provide us with ample facts in support of this contention. These facts are as follows: 1. Many ancient practices described in religious texts have now been regarded as barbaric and immoral, and have therefore been abolished by all modern secular nations. Mario asks: It is patently absurd for unorganized individual atheists to judge the rock solid moral codes provided by most religions by those few renegades who failed to comply, while having a moral code that is built on sand. It is just as absurd for the atheists to paint all religions with the same brush if any one of them has done or does something that Santosh considers wrong. In the meantime unorganized individual atheists have a home-made moral code, if they have one at all, subject only to personal convenience, with no societal or exterior checks and balances other than the law. Santosh writes: 2. The sanitized and abridged example of a common moral code of two major world religions has been shown to have been conveniently revised to generate three versions. Mario replies: This is a patently false statement. The three versions of the Ten Commandments that Santosh is slyly speaking of here all cover the same precepts, and are just numbered differently. Santosh writes: 3. No rational moral basis has been provided for the first four commandments of one of the revised versions of this flexible code. Mario replies: This assertion is also false as the archives will show. Santosh writes: 4. The argument that this religious moral code is immoral because of the associated prescription of death penalty, including death by stoning, for its violation, has not been refuted. Mario replies: Another patently false statement. The abhorrent practices cited by Santosh have long since been abolished by those who may have engaged in them. If any religion still engages in a particular practice does not invalidate all religions and their rock solid moral codes, while leaving each unorganized individual atheist to their own convenient precepts, which may or not be any good. Santosh writes: 5. A new situational moral revision is presented, one that offers an unsubstantiated blanket denial of the existence of the penalty of death, in the face of explicit statements that can be seen even in modern revised versions of the ancient religious text in question. Mario replies: This is another false statement. Any current existence of a death penalty has everything to do with law and nothing to do with religion in most civilized cultures and countries. If one religion still supports a particular practice does not invalidate all religions and their rock solid moral codes, while leaving each unorganized individual atheist to their own convenient precepts, which may or not be any good. Santosh writes: 6. The convenient denial of the amply documented death penalty leaves one to wonder what sort of adverse consequence takes its place in the modern sanitized revision of this pliable religious moral code. For example, what personal or public consequence awaits thou if thou make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth? Mario responds: This is another false statement. Any current existence of a death penalty has everything to do with law and nothing to do with religion in most civilized cultures and countries. If one religion still supports a particular practice does not invalidate all religions and their rock solid moral codes, while leaving each unorganized individual atheist to their own convenient precepts, which may or not be any good. Those who belong to a religion that includes the specific precept mentioned above would face the consequences dictated by that religion. In the meantime what public or private consequences do all the unorganized individual atheists face for any moral transgressions for personal convenience as long as it stays within the law? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Funnymen Goa Policemen
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Elisabeth, in addition to their lack of training I am also worried about their lack of brawn. My 19 year old intern Kerra could beat them up but then she went for police training when she was only 16 at a summer camp. The girl learned a ton of things at that 6-week camp - first aid, how to slice up a car and pry the passengers out of a wreck etc. I if wonder if the officer cops of the IPS cadre do better? Why should our forensics not be at par with the rest of the world? Its just a few gadgets and some image processing - a piece of cake for our IT dudes. What is not is getting these hawaldars to not put half of the money for equipment in their pockets so they can have a constant supply of batatwadas which I guess is the Indian equivalent of donoughts/donuts? Helga Come on chaps, get with it. What about sketch artists? What about fingerprints? What about some forensics, however basic they maybe. If you can't manage to get a team trained in forensics, I suggest you rent the enter season of CSI, available on DVD and make your short-pant clad Hawaldars watch it. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Why NOT from Goa to Mumbai?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- How to profit from Mutual Funds? If we want to go to Goa from Mumbai there are several vehicular options. We can travel by airplane, drive in car or bus, take a train or sail in ship. Similarly when we want to make any kind of investment, there are different investment vehicles e.g. mutual fund, portfolio management services (PMS,) direct (investing on your own), insurance etc. Goa is the destination and airplane; car; bus; train, ship etc are vehicles. Similarly, debt, equity and property are asset classes and mutual fund; PMS; 'direct' and insurance are investment vehicles. It is important to clarify here that property includes real estate, bullion, collectibles, art etc. To invest in Debt, Equity Property we have to choose investment vehicles, which suit are requirement. (Also read - Quick buck for lazy investors. Here's how!) In earlier times 'direct' was the only investment vehicle available. If we wanted to buy fixed deposit/bond we had to apply on our own. Similarly, when we wanted to buy shares, we had to call up stock brokers, who would procure shares on our behalf and same was the case with property. The cost involved in 'direct' buying is least amongst all investment vehicles. However we need to have skills and time to use this form of investing. Another investment vehicle is a mutual fund. Mutual fund works on the concept of pooling in money. Assume there are 5 to 6 friends who want to invest money in a particular asset class say equity. Also assume they do not have skills and time. However one of them knows an expert who regularly invests in stock markets. All these friends go to an expert and give him their investment amount. The expert invests on their behalf. If there is profit in investment, they all benefit and if there is any loss they suffer. Experts get certain fee for investing on their behalf. This is the concept of a mutual fund. Investing in mutual fund is slightly expensive than ?direct? form of investing. However the decision-making and procedure of investing is transferred to the Mutual Fund Company. (Also read - One-stop guide: How to profit through Mutual funds?) Insurance as an investment vehicle works somewhat similar to mutual fund as far as ULIPs are concerned. While traditional insurance plans invest only in debt-based products and are not market linked, ULIP invests in debt, equity as well as a combination of the two. Only difference in case of insurance is that expenses charged by insurance company are much higher compared to most other investment vehicles. PMS is usually tailor-made for your needs. Based on your financial goals portfolio managers create investment portfolio for you. For creating and maintaining your portfolio, PMS charges fees. Also if your portfolio earns profit beyond a certain amount, then the portfolio manager shares the profit. However if there are losses then the same is charged to your account only. While choosing any investment vehicle keep in mind your skills, time available with you to create and maintain your investments and costs involved. If you have the skills and time available with you then ?direct? form of investing is ideal as it has least of costs amongst all other vehicles. (Also read - One-stop guide: How to profit through Mutual funds?) On the other hand insurance is the most expensive investment vehicle and hence it should be kept away from as far as possible. PMS services works better for wealthy (high net worth) individuals. Though profits have to be shared, there is also advantage of getting tailor-made portfolio. Only catch is to ensure that portfolio created and maintained for you is tailor-made and that the PMS is not another mutual fund scheme, where all investors get the same portfolio. For small and medium investor ? who does not have skills and time ? mutual fund seems the best option. Currently in India we have mutual funds, which invest in two asset classes, debt and equity. However in the very near future there is a likelihood of having mutual funds, which will invest in gold as well as real estate. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Vinsan unveils environmental-friendly plans for port town (Gomantak Times)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Vinsan unveils environmental-friendly plans for port town (Gomantak Times) * June 21, 2006 By a Staff Reporter [EMAIL PROTECTED] VASCO: Vinsan Graphics Productions Vasco recently held a special interactive session with the Mormugao Municipal Councillors, which was attended by 19 councillors. During the session, Vinson Graphics Productions explained in detail to the councilors the future course of action the agency is going to undertake. The agency will visit all the 20 wards in the municipal jurisdiction along with the respective ward councilor, and meet citizens and explain to them in detail the course of action for a clean and green environment, free of plastic. With the help of clubs, institutions and individual citizens from the respective ward, the agency will work as a team taking the local people into confidence. During the interactive session, the councilors came forth with several suggestions like forming sub-committees at the ward level to implement the plan under the supervision of the agency, and also to approach the housing colonies and co-operative societies to assist in these long-term measures. The agency will present a plan of action to the citizens in each ward and they will act accordingly. It has been decided to have a competition among the 20 wards in environmental cleanliness, and the Best Ward will be assessed by the agency at the end of the term and presented an award. Workshops and talk shows on waste management and cleanliness will be conducted for the benefit of the citizens in every ward. A separate meetingwas conducted for the representatives of the schools in and around Mormugao taluka at the Tourist Hostel, on June 12, where teachers from 29 schools in the jurisdiction attended. The agency discussed the prospects of involving the student community in this ambitious project of awareness campaign. A detailed programme will be worked out and submitted to the respective schools on receiving feedback from the schools. The schedule will be worked out in such a manner so that the school curriculum will not be disturbed. REsponse from the school representatives was very encouraging and they assured to nominate one teacher from each school to co-ordinate with the agency in helping them to implment the plan with the help of students. The agency will visit the schools with a detailed time-table shortly. Various environmental-friendly plans for the city with the help of students are on the anvil. Chief Officer Elvis Gomes guided both meetings. (ENDS) VASCO'S NETWORK IN CYBERSPACE http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vascokarsunited _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] The Dangers of certain topics (relating to censorship)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Francisco Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The editors of Goanet also must share the blame for allowing such unhealthy debates to go on and on in a repetitive and unending manner. Mario observes: Under the principles of free speech and an open world-wide forum, who gets to decide whether a debate is unhealthy or not or whether I decide to repeat facts and opinions in specific response to repeated assertions on the same topic often by a small army of like-minded members? No member is forced to read anything on Goanet and the name of the poster and the subject line should be their clue. I assume everyone has a delete button. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] The Dangers of certain topics (relating to Churches)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, my real worry is about the assertive stance of the Catholic Church to evangelise in India/Asia etc. I do not want this precisely for the reasons you have identified. This generates real fear in me because the approach is pretty provocative I think. Mario observes: Cornel, I thought you were the one who is receptive to all kinds of knowledge all of which you consider to be provisional. Now you are telling us that someone else in India or Asia being provided with knowledge about Christianity is provocative and somehow generates real fear in you. What is provocative about one being provided with information that one can choose to accept or deny, as long as this not done in an aggressive, coercive or personally intrusive way? Fear?! What are you fearful of? Are you trying to skew the debate with such verbal histrionics? I think what you really fear is that they will become Christians and accept the rock solid Christian moral code. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Further to the Da Vinci Code (Re evangelisation)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Cornel, First of all, let me state that I too am against evangelisation of any sort by any religion or religious sect or pseudo-religious sect. I have always said that if someone wishes to worship a stone and believe that that stone has the ability to impact his life, by appropriate propitiation, then so be it. Having said that, I found MV Kamath's letter strangely uncomfortable. The words were ill-chosen and unfortunately incendiary. I googled to see what exactly the Pope had said which got MV Kamath all riled up. The Pope is talking about conversions that take place in India voluntarily. And it is the moral right of every human being to convert if he so desires. I don't have any statistics on how many forceful conversions take place in India. I know that a lot of Catholic missionaries are doing wonderful work in the rural areas, and there is a sort of food for God ideology practiced sometimes, but this is such soft pedaling that it should hardly garner the wrath very often expressed by, yes, Hindu fundamentalist. MV Kamath, writes this in his letter: The Pope owes an apology to Hindus and to India on bended knees. Really, did Hindu religious authorities offer apologies to Christians or the Pope, when they saw fit to burn Australian missionary Graham Staines and his two sons. Do they offer apologies when they rape nuns, attack Catholic schools, hospitals and churches. Even in Goa, the insidious tumour of hate has taken seed. Atrocities have been carried out in the name of religion for centuries now. It's about time we stopped in the name of God. Elisabeth - Goanetters, The people of Goa have demonstrated muscle over the Da Vinci Code whether we agree with this or not, and the mechanism by which this was achieved. I now sincerely hope that, such muscle will be shown against the highly risky and misguided business of the Catholic Church in its assertiveness over evangelisation in India. I had discussed this issue previously but the recently reported concern and anger on this matter, as expressed by MV Kamath, has to be taken very seriously. I therefore want to place my extreme concern over this issue, for the record on Goanet, even if I am very much in the minority. The debate on the temple/church issue (hopefully temporarily exhausted), is insignificant compared to the monster being officially unleashed by the Church in a highly volatile India over religion. Cornel _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: AUNTY AT LARGE :-))
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- George / Cornel / Joe, You're no mean humorists yourselves ! I'd better come clean - I'm only Aunty's scribe ! Hence no byline. Her nuttiness seems to have proliferated through cyberspace (cf), but even I'm mortified by the wags who've strung her demented advice together (complete with Aunty drawn in designer shades!) and are planning to flog them at Silviano's 'Viva Goa' stall (29 July). Glad you're enjoying her insanity - punning is a re-wording experience I'm sure - if she wasn't around, who's sari then ! Saves us from being Nehru-minded, I guess... That's dreadful. I'm beginning to sound like her sycoph-aunt ! You know, it could be verse. FR. Hi Francis I'd like to echo George's sentiments about your humour. I haven't stopped laughing at times. Please keep it up. You have an eager audience amongst some of us. Regards, Cornel . Hi Francis, Although corny at times, your weekly humour is a delightful addition to Goan cyberspace. More significant, is your great talent at word play andconnecting seemingly unrelated dots to generate humour. Like Dominic's,can we expect a book soon with these compilations? Keep it up. Regards, George . JoeGoaUk[EMAIL PROTECTED] of [GOAN-NRI] wrote: Re.: DEAR AUNTY, I really love this weekly column. What about you members ??? Keep it up. Thanks, joe . Agnelo Fernandes[EMAIL PROTECTED][GOAN-NRI] wrote: I just keep looking out for it. Humourously entertaining. I further forward it to my friends of all nationalities - Filipinos, Nigerians, British, Australians, Canadians, South Africans, Pakistanis, etc. Cheers, Agnelo _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Further to the Da Vinci Code
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Cornel I had previously suggested an indefinite moratorium on evangelization and proselytizing (not just in Goa/India but around the world). Given the high levels of intolerance these days by fundamentalists in all religions (including Christianity), this is the only way to prevent communal fires from being stoked. Regards, George --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goanetters, The people of Goa have demonstrated muscle over the Da Vinci Code whether we agree with this or not, and the mechanism by which this was achieved. I now sincerely hope that, such muscle will be shown against the highly risky and misguided business of the Catholic Church in its assertiveness over evangelisation in India. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Raia consumers demand better services from LPG dealers
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- -- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! -- - Raia Consumers demand better services from LPG dealers -- The LPG consumers of Raia village serviced by Bharat Petroleum and Hindustan Petroleum have submitted a memorandum to the Director of Civil Supplies and Consumer Affairs Mr. Ashok N.P. Desai seeking Home Delivery, Computerised Billing, Mechanical Checks and Safety Camps as per the procedures of the public sector petroleum companies. The consumer's organised under the banner of Raia Civic and Consumer Forum (RCCF) have in their memo highlighted that many of the consumers collect their cylinders through Cash N Carry by waiting with empty cylinders by the road side or outside their house to get a LPG refill from the tempo vehicle when it passes through the village The LPG consumers are presently supplied cylinder refills by M/s Margao Gas Service and M/s Goa Gas Service, Margao for Bharat Petroleum and M/s Aurora Electric Co and M/s Damodar Gas Service for Hindustan Petroleum and RCCF have requested that each Petroleum Company be represented only by a single agent in the village so that provision of proper services can be ensured. The recent action of M/s. Loutolim Gas Service based in Loutolim to supply cylinder refills in Raia to the consumers serviced by M/s Aurora Electric Co. has taken these HP Gas LPG consumers by surprise. This has caused utter confusion as these HP consumer's have not been intimated individually about the change of dealership either by the existing dealer, the new dealer or the HP Company. Moreover, the domestic consumer blue book has not been endorsed with the necessary changes. The Forum is of the opinion that each Petroleum Company must be represented only by a single agent in the village so as to ensure that proper services are provided to the consumers. The RCCF memo also pointed out that since bills were not provided to all consumers the extra charges being taken could not be curbed, while the safety of the consumer when using LPG cylinders could not be ensured if regular safety checks of the tube, regulator and stove were not undertaken by a qualified Company mechanic at the residence of the consumer. The memo further pointed out that there were many cases wherein domestic LPG cylinders are diverted and supplied for commercial purposes such as in restaurants welding workshops and even in vehicles as a fuel due to which there is a short supply for the genuine domestic consumers. The Forum has also written to Sub-Divisional Magistrate (SDM) and Mamlatdar Salcete Taluka while copies of the memo have been sent to Mr. Sanjay Karve Executive Sales Officer LPG of HP Gas and Mr. M. Vishnu Raj Assistant Manager (Sales) Bharat Gas, State Level Co-ordinator (SLC) Sr. Regional Manager (LPG) Hindustan Petroleum Corp. Ltd, Chief Territory Manager (LPG) Bharat Petroleum Corp. Ltd. and GOACAN. --- Report from Raia Civic and Consumer Forum --- --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goa History: Destruction of Temples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Gilbert is right and Marlon is wrong. I agree with Gilbert that history should not be done by historians but by confused, arm-chair amateur historians like Gilbert. We should ignore anything critical written about Catholicism, the Inquisition or temples being destroyed. Foolish, professional, biased historians wrote these kaneos. Instead, we should rely on arm-chair speculators of what might have been. The way forward for Goa is for engineers to administer medicine, for accountants to grow crops, for farmers to write software code. Goa will progress. Heck George, while we are at it, let's question all the foolish scientists like Galileo about the solar centric theory of the solar system since Pope Paul V at that time put Galileo under house arrest and attempted to discredit him. Starting tomorrow morning, the sun and moon will revolve around the earth for me... Auri __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] RE: CORRECTION: Boiling Temp: Equation:
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Francis Thanks for your algebraic dexterity. I think it would be too much for our resident sage in the Rust Belt. Incidentally, wherabouts are you located? Do let me know privately if appropriate. Thanks Cornel - Original Message - From: Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: [Goanet] RE: CORRECTION: Boiling Temp: Equation: Cornel, I've received a number of requests to reprint our sage's eminent proof - it seems that not only are there many mathematically curious souls on Goanet, but that the math symbols turned gibberish on some computers. I have to confess I pasted our sage's proof directly from the 'Toledo Observer's' pdf files, hence the carry-over of code for the symbols. I'm re-typing his proof, trust you will take note of his vast knowledge: Given:a + b = c. Reverse: c = a + b. This can also be written as: (4c - 3c) = (4a - 3a) + (4b - 3b). After reorganizing: 3a + 3b - 3c = 4a + 4b - 4c. Taking the constants out of the brackets: 3(a + b - c) = 4(a + b - c). Remove the same term left and right: Thus 3 = 4. With regards, FR. .. Cornel to Mario: Also, please stop kidding us about your science knowledge and nonsense... ...provisionally constructed knowledge, as a heuristic device to make sense of chaos in the world including that 2+2=4. Mario to Cornel: Your pictures are excellent, so we'll allow you a little vanity. But, remember, like the sum of 2 + 2, this, too, is provisional, and we will not hesitate to puncture your vanity if conditions change :-)) . _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] MONSERATE GUARANTEES AMENDMENT TO OFFICIAL LANGUAGE ACT
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- In a major political development that may send shock waves to a section of the ruling Indian National Congress coalition of NCP MGP and Independent; who were dilly dallying on bringing about an amendment bill the Minister for Town Country Planning Mr Antanasio (Babush) Monserate assured a delegation of tiatrist headed by Prince Jacob this morning at his residence at 1010 hrs IST that he will ensure that the amendment Bill to the Goa Daman Diu Official Language Act 1987 will be introduced in the coming session of the Goa Legislative Assembly. Convincing the Hon'ble Minister, Prince Jacob who spoke to this writer telephonically this afternoon, after the meet, stated that he brought to the kind attention of the Hon'ble Minister that the plight of Goa and Goans will be miserable in the years to come if the injustice meted out to protoganists of Konkani in Roman script are not given their due recognition. He lamented the fact that our tiatrs and tiatrists will not be remembered for posterity if their life and works are not recorded and this could be achieved only in Konkani in Roman script. It is Konkani in Roman script alone that has kept the culture and lifestyle of Goa and Goans even the liturgical services were in Konkani in Roman script -- why the Povitr Pustok too now available is in Konkani Roman script reflecting the tremendous support the script continues to have in Goa and even world wide. which has given us an unique identity in the rest of the country. Prince further stated that he told the Minister that it was mainly the Catholic community and those from the Velhas Conquistas Talukas that were worst affected and Salcete was the worst. All this by introducing in the clause 2(c) Konkani language means Konkani language in the Devanagari script . Had this specific mention of the Devanagari script not been made in the official language act both Devanagari and Roman the two scripts associated with the language here in Goa would have benefitted as against only the Devanagari script and Konkani would have found acceptance with all and sundry. True in the past 19 years we silently bore the injustice in the hope that it would bring unity that never happened and will never happen at the way things are going on Prince added, now not any longer Prince said in an extremely emotive tone he added that no Goan wherever can shun this onerous responsibility considering the fact that the demographic composition of the State is changing at such a rapid state that ---Goans will be strangers in their own lands and therefore Konkani in Roman script must be given the official recognition. He told this writer every tiatrist in Goa has the mission to promote Konkani in Roman script and this being given the exposure and support it deserves --- watch out Prince Jacob reiterated we mean every word that we utter Prince Jacob clarified to the Honorable Minister in his over twenty minutes presentation after excusing himself for being ten minutes late and keeping the delegation waiting but not until they were treated to hot tea and coffee ---that tiatrist had always reflected the mind set of this tiny State --Goa, and the Goan society using the stage to draw the attention of those in power and they have the wherewithal to seat and unseat Governments. Without mincing words Prince told this writer that one of the reasons that they had approached the Minister Mr Monserrate and this they told him too at the meeting is because of his credibility and his no nonsense attitude when it comes to issues as these and therefore he alongwith other tiatrists viz Mr Mario Menezes, Bai Felcy,Mr John D Silva, Mr Marc Araujo, Mr Wilson Mazarelo Mr Anthony Rodrigues Mr Ceaser D Mello and Mr Xavier and others assured the Honble Minister that it was a matter of quid pro quo --- you save our language Konkani and our script the Roman script and we will assure you all support on every political fora. Prince also stated that he informed Mr Monserrate that the ex CM and present Leader of the Opposition Mr Manohar Parrikar had assured that no obstacle will be brought by his party if the amendment to the Bill is introduced for Konkani in the Roman script. Later having given a patient hearing Mr Monserrate gave unstinted support and assurance to the delegations demand of the tiatrist which he felt was the demand of not only the select few present but also of Goans at large and there was
[Goanet] re: Goa History - a response to George Pinto's post
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Goa History George Pinto wrote Tongue in Cheek that : history should not be done by historians but by confused, arm-chair amateur historians like Gilbert. We should ignore anything critical written about Catholicism, the Inquisition or temples being destroyed. Foolish, professional, biased historians wrote these kaneos. Instead, we should rely on arm-chair speculators of what might have been. The way forward for Goa is for engineers to administer medicine, for accountants to grow crops, for farmers to write software code. Goa will progress. Dear George, You make a lot of sense by that Tongue in Cheek comment. Perhaps, that is what has been happening all along, anyway. It just might be that we have 'biased historians' presenting us not so much with 'kaneos', as with with conveniently selective translations. All this giving new meaning to the phrase 'Lost (or is it selectively found) in Translation'. When I have the opportunity to watch any sporting event, I normally tune in to the TSN network from Canada. The BBC/ITV commentators from the UK are much less biased when compared to the US based commentators. During the Olympic Games, it is as though two different Olympic Games are going on. The same thing wrt News. When you watch Faux Nooj, do you get the same view of the world as when you watch (say) RTE from Ireland or ABC (Australia) or BBC (UK)? In the name of Freedom, we have Bias and Selective Presentation of Thoughts and Opinions. Not surprising that the well known anti-Catholic, BJP idealogue MV Kamath had to quote a Catholic source in his attack on the Church. That is a well know technique. And I do expect anti-Catholic elements to agree with the MV Kamaths of this world. I ask MV: Is this the most important news item affecting India or the BJP at the moment? I suggest that Equity and Equitable presentation of ideas are the only way we will achieve Peace and Goodwill (as far as possible) among people of disparate beliefs, colour, nationality or way of life. In order to do that, we have to place ALL the CARDS on the table. If we do that (and honestly), we will surely realise tough as it is to swallow... that ALL of our forebears be they Hindu, Catholic, Muslim, Indian, Indian subcontinental, Continental and non-Continental Portuguese, Moghals, Turks ...whoever.THEY ALL have been Brutal, Intolerant and Murderous of the One's Before. That is the only way that the present Goans came to displace the original Goans i.e. the Kunbis and Gaudis. Those who came to LORD OVER the poor, unarmed and weak eventually ENSLAVED them into a multi millenia of SLAVERY courtesy the Caste System. ALL of the 'invaders razed the places of worship of the previous ones. ALL of them. Some, like the Portuguese, destroyed what they considered places where False Gods were worshipped. Some like Aurangzeb, used the excuse of the horrible Devadasi enslavement of poor women into temple organised based slavery into prostitution, as a reason for the destruction of some temples. And just in case you are wondering WHAT happened to the Buddhist places of worship, Yes ..WHAT really happened to them? Any thoughts, MV or compadres? Back to equity in thought and word, I suggest that we place our own words in perspective especially when it comes to Religion. Otherwise, we will be no better than the Jews v Arabs or Protestants v Catholics, Hindu v Muslims or even Sikhs v Hindus. If ONLY we had realised that Men of ALL religions have destroyed in the name of THEIR God. If ONLY we had realised that Men of ALL religions are biased in their presentation of thoughts. If ONLY we had realised that Men of ALL religions ONLY believe the One-sided Americanesque coverage presented by their side. And YES, Men of at least TWO religions which claim to be Peaceful have BURNT Women alive; Men of One Religion burnt Millions of women alive courtesy Sati. Others sent folks to the stake for being Heretics or Witches. Remember? And Yet, as the good modern day sage Valmiki (Faleiro) notes: Religion is a private matter. We have one set (Catholics) who want to convert more people to Catholicism, and another(Hindus) who want to reconvert more people to Hinduism. For Heaven's Sake, will you two sets of people just STOP trying so hard? Just be open, fair, equitable and honest in your dealings
[Goanet] Funnymen Goa Policemen
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Is it just me or does anyone else think that Goa police are imbecilic morons? Everytime I read a crime story in Goa, I somehow picture a Bollywood style policemen, wearing Hawaldar pants, twirling his mustache and hoping to come across a villain who utters the infamous line Prem hai mera naam, chori mera kaam. The only detective tool available to police seems to be those hapless police dogs which appear on the scene whether it be a robbery, rape or murder. What are those dogs supposed to do exactly? Anyone with half a brain operating, knows that sniffer dogs will sniff a trail only if they have a scent to pursue. Can we assume that the robbers or murderers dropped off their jackets at the police station prior to proceeding on their way to rob Mr Mrs Amit Gaunkar? Come on chaps, get with it. What about sketch artists? What about fingerprints? What about some forensics, however basic they maybe. If you can't manage to get a team trained in forensics, I suggest you rent the enter season of CSI, available on DVD and make your short-pant clad Hawaldars watch it. I once had the pleasure of observing security detail being put in place for a tight-security operation. There was a chain of police that stretched from the Zuari bridge all the way upto Vasco city. Ofcourse there was a one mile distance between each policemen and none of them had a walk-talkie. In the event some terrorist was spotted by a cop, I'm assuming there would be a relay race all the way to the police headquarters? The crime rate in Goa is soaring faster that the price of fish. At least give those dogs a dog biscuit. I'm sure they take their jobs far more seriously than our policemen. Elisabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Death Notice: GORGONIO LOBO aged 100
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- 19 Jun: Parra, Goa. GORGONIO LOBO (aged 100, ex-Kampala). Husband of the late Julia (Priscilla) Lobo. Father of Bertha/Bernard (Switzerland); Arthur/Shera (Australia); Judy/Terence (Australia), Alfred (Canada) and Sybil/Novarro (Canada). Grandfather of Severine, Charlene, Adrian , Lorraine , Vivienne, Keith and Conrad. Condolences to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a photograph and profile of Gorgonio Lobo see http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/supplement/GorgonioLobo.html Eddie Fernandes _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Flexible code
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. ---Hi Santosh, I would like to add that the champion of the theists: the Golden Rule of treating others as you would like to be treated, is not necessarily unique to any one particular religion, or even theism for that matter. Historically, it has been preached by most religions, (atheistic religions like Buddhism included) and Philosophers like Confucius. However, Agnostics and Atheists too, could follow the golden rule without being contradictory. Also, I do not think that the Golden rule is Absolute (crudely coined as Rock Solid by some) as claimed. Masochists could perceive it differently, for example. There is another competitor to the Golden Rule, a teaching of Satya Sai Baba that goes Help ever, Hurt never. While one may argue that again the word hurt is not absolute, it is certainly more rock solid than the golden rule. Again, this rule may seem too constricted, as in a secular democracy, people's sentiments are bound to get hurt one time or the other. Regards,Aristo.Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:30:55 -0700 (PDT)From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Goanet] Flexible code So, as we can see, religion does not give us a rocksolid moral code that has survived unchanged forthousands of years, as was erroneously stated in thisforum. The post below and the religious texts themselves provide us with ample facts in support ofthis contention. These facts are as follows: _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Constantino Please let me assure you most sincerely that, I feel absolutely no hurt over our earlier exchange. And now that I have discovered more about your good self, I want to wish you every success in your advanced study. If I were to stop in New Delhi or you to stop in London, I hope we can meet over as much pleasant vino, as possible, entirely on me! Regards Cornel PS I will not respond to people who harp back to our posts. My reply to Helga was definitely the last one even though I have not seen it yet on Goanet. - Original Message - From: Constantino Xavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961 * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- He could have given me a simple answer and I would have been more than happy. However, I got a 'mouthful' instead before I could even duck! So, where was my misunderstanding in the first instance? I did not even have the time nor opportunity to misunderstand Constantino! Dear Prof. Cornel, in regard to what you say above, to Paulo, it seems there is some misunderstanding and that you felt offended by my first reply to your continental Portugal query. http://goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2006-June/authorpost_id=043286 Let me assure you that I never intended to give you a 'mouthful' and never intended to disrespect you in that e-mail. And me being a post-gradute student, I did not mean by any means to be sarcastic or ironic in addressing you with Prof.. This is the way I also address Prof. Teotonio de Souza, whom I know for a long time and I am quite close to. It's an academic sign of respect. I hope you understand and accept my apologies in case you feel hurt by any remark I could have possibly made against you. Regards, Constantino _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Villagers upset over desecration of idol (Gomantak Times)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Villagers upset over desecration of idol (Gomantak Times) Wed, June 21, 2006 Page A4 BICHOLIM: Villagers from Poriem-Sattari are furious over the act of throwing out the idol of the deity from the Sakhleshwar Devasthan Sanquelim-Poriem by some unknown elements. The idol was found lying inside the private property, situated behind the temple. Villagers were alerted by one Yeshwant Naik, who raised an alarm. Villagers lodged a complaint with the Bicholim police, even as tension prevailed in the area. A dog squad was pressed into service, but the accused could not be traced. (ENDS) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Verna highway turns into dumping ground (Gomantak Times)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Verna highway turns into dumping ground (Gomantak Times) By A Staff Reporter [EMAIL PROTECTED] VASCO: The highway road at the Verna Industrial Estate has turned into a dumping ground as huge quantities of waste is being unloaded on either side of this road, which includes plastic, hotel waste, medical waste like syringes, needles, empty bulbs of injections, bottles and other material. During the last heavy showers, this waste was washed down to Rasaim in Loutolim village, polluting the nullahs and wells in the area. Residents from here had last year raised the issue at the 'gram sabha' and also complained that cattle had died in the village and post-mortem reports confirmed that the animals had died after consuming waste plastic. The residents had then forced the panchayat to inspect the site and demanded to put a stop to the problem, but now unscrupulous elements have found the highway an easy site to dispose their waste, they charged. With waste being disposed by the hotels and hatchery owners at this site, there has been an increase in the number of stray dogs. Residents often complained that these dogs often attack humans and kill domestic animals. It may be recalled that the problem was also brought to the notice of the local MLA Aleixo Sequeira at the function held to lay the foundation stone for the Goa Chamber of Commerce administrative building at the industrial estate, by chief minister Pratapsing Rane, when the MLA requested the CM to have a site for the disposal of wastes at the industrial estate. The Verna Industrial Estate is the biggest in Goa, but sadly doesn't have a garbage disposal site. (ENDS) VASCO'S NETWORK IN CYBERSPACE http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vascokarsunited _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] EVENTS: GCCI to hold talk on multi-channel communication
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- GCCI to hold talk on multi-channel communication Navhind Times, June 21, 2006 June 20: The Goa Chamber of Commerce and Industry, in collaboration with the Computer Society of India, is organising a talk on 'multi-channel communication' on June 23 at 4 pm in the chamber hall. The talk will be delivered by Mr Anand Ranthidevan, who has recently joined the Goa Institute of Management as an assistant professor of information systems and has worked in the software industry for over 10 years in India and abroad. The presentation will introduce the audience to new channels, which include internet and e-mail, the challenges and benefits they bring with them and the software technology that is available to organisation to offer improved and more efficient customer service. There is no delegate fee and interested participants can register with the GCCI. (ENDS) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] 1700 hrs and it's pouring in Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Elizabeth and Fred I had previously written off Al Gore as a loser. However, he seems to have re-invented himself via the environmental issue. I reckon he has surprised himself with recent success and may well think of a second go for the Presidency. If this were to happen, would choosing Hilary as a running mate help him? Cornel - Original Message - From: Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] 1700 hrs and it's pouring in Goa * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Fred, If you haven't already watched the Al Gore movie, An Inconvenient Truth, do watch it. You'll enjoy it and find it of interest. Elisabeth --- In recent years, amidst talk of climate change (aka global warming), we are seeing a lot of extremities in weather condition. When it rains, it really rains heavily. When it doesn't, it's dry for days. And, has anyone studied the earlier-believed (and apparently true) corelation between phases of the moon and the weather? Farmers and agriculturists in Goa generally calculate a good planting season by looking at the 'omas' and 'punov' (full and new moon) on the local almanacs. FN __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Flexible code - response to Dr. Helekar
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Vivek Thanks for your clear thoughts to Santosh on a link much debated on Goanet called a rock hard religious moral code strongly propounded by at least one person, absurdly and unceasingly. I have said something similar to you on this issue in earlier Goanet posts. However, I want to go a bit further and say that the first part of the ten commandments is very much an absolute demand on humans to be unthinking slaves to a presumed Deity. Even further, the view that any religion has the monoploly of 'truth' is too ridiculous for words. Cornel - Original Message - From: Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: [Goanet] Flexible code - response to Dr. Helekar * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Santosh: I couldnt agree with ou more! In my opinion the ten commandments can be abstracted into two basic ones. The first four are of the My way or the highway kind and are reflective of the intolerant nature of the semitic religions and their presumed monopoly over the truth The next six can be summed up into : Do unto others what you would want others to do unto you. I sincerely believe that no religious foundation is required for good moral conduct and if everyone sincerley believed in do unto others what others. then the world would have been a lot peaceful place wihout satis,witch burning, untouchability, apartheid,inquisitions and genocides. Just my humble two cents. vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Further to the Da Vinci Code
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Goanetters, The people of Goa have demonstrated muscle over the Da Vinci Code whether we agree with this or not, and the mechanism by which this was achieved. I now sincerely hope that, such muscle will be shown against the highly risky and misguided business of the Catholic Church in its assertiveness over evangelisation in India. I had discussed this issue previously but the recently reported concern and anger on this matter, as expressed by MV Kamath, has to be taken very seriously. I therefore want to place my extreme concern over this issue, for the record on Goanet, even if I am very much in the minority. The debate on the temple/church issue (hopefully temporarily exhausted), is insignificant compared to the monster being officially unleashed by the Church in a highly volatile India over religion. Cornel _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goanet News Bytes * June 21, 2006 * Dacoity at Paroda ... Zuari shuttle to get restored ... BJP wants easier English
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] / d8 Founded in e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ 1994 by 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Herman 88_88 | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 Carneiro / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 Cb 88_-~ 88_-888 888 888 88___/ 88_/ Y http://www.goanet.org * Building social capital. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] o Shuttle bus service via Zuari bridge to be restored. (NT) o Shuttle service commuters over Zuari continue to suffer. (NT) o Government to buy 25 minibuses. (H) o Chief Secretary says misunderstanding caused Zuari chaos. (GT) o New Panjim traffic plan from July 1. (H) o Reversal of traffic on old Patto Ponte de Linhares bridge soon.NT o Vested interests could be behind BSNL empanelment racket: GM (NT) INTELLIGENCE NETWORK to be strengthened in Goa: Chief Secretary J P Singh said that Goa needs to strengthen its intelligence network in view of the unsavoury activities that have taken place in Goa. Besides, he said, all types of people disguising as tourists also arrive in Goa and the intelligence system should have information about them well in advance to keep a check on them. (NT) TOURISM'S OTHER FACE: Tourism in Goa has always meant sea, sand, surf and of course its pristine temples and churches. The other face of tourism has never been considered. However, now hinterland, heritage and medical services are being explored to boost tourism in the state. (Ramnath Pai Raikar in the NT) o Delays in NCERT textbooks, parents co-operation sought.(NT) o GMC's ortho dept selected for research on Indus knee. (NT) o Dhempe College celebrates Founder's Day. (NT) o Goa Univ declares music (vocal, tabla, sitar, harmonium) results. o Mining engineering diploma course restarted. (NT) o Luizinho urges service institutions to promote education in Goa.NT o GCCI-CSI talk on multi-channel communication, June 23, 4 pm. o Bicholim college to offer computerised accounting diploma. o Ex-editor Joseph Zuzarte to conduct journalism course. (H) o Tailoring course begins at Mala. (H) o MBA entrance training planned by BullsEye, Vaidya Hospital.(H) BJP MEN, PARENTS 'GHERAO' DEPUTY EDUCATION DIRECTOR: They have been protesting against the introduction of a new 'Marigold' English textbook, in Standard III, saying it adopts too high standards for students! (H) ODD NEWS: Mumbai is the world's rudest city! This was rated by the Readers Digest, which tested whether anyone would help when papers were dropped in a busy street, whether shop assistants said 'thank you', and counting how often someone held a door open. (GT) o Dacoits strike doc's home at Agramorod, Guid-Paroda. (NT) o TV sting operation exposes 'baby shop' with Aldona branch.(GT) o Mother (30) daughter (2) end life in Dhargal stonequarry.(H) o Nandini Paliwal new CEO of Entertainment Society of Goa. (H) o High Court seeks govt assurance over water scarcity. (H) o Rectify GMC's pathetic conditions, says deputy collector.(H) o Tree plantation drive at Porvorim, along highway. (H) o BJP against lower castes progressing, alleges Congress. (H) o Konkani book on musical renderings by P D Lotlikar. (H) o Football fans hit by power cuts at Malkarne. (H) o Goa to set up pavillion at Olimpia II at London next month.H o Goa hosts all India dance sport workshop at Don Bosco court.H o Paratha festival at Hotel Delmon. (GT) o Verna highway turns into dumping ground. (GT) o Vinsan unveils environment-friendly plans for port town(GT) Vasco's list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vascokarsunited Winds, rains leave Salcete coastal villages powerless: Heavy rains left villages without power on Tuesday evening, right from Cavelossim-Mobor, to Orlim, Carmona, Varca, Benaulim, Colva and Betalbatim. (H) Clube Vasco da Gama's traditional Sao Joao Dance is being held on June 24, 2006 with Roy Vaz to keep you in the party mood and lighten up your spirits. Music by Imaginations. Guest artists Belinda and Zita. Buffet, typical Goan cuisine. Entrance members Rs 50, guests Rs 100, table Rs 100. Register by June 23. o Duo hurt as car rams electric pole at Navelim. (H) o
RE: [Goanet] Goan Freedom Fighters.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- I would like to congratulate Veronica for his most sincere post. It certainly takes courage and determination to talk about certain things of our past, especially when many of our brothers and sisters refuse to accept the truth despite clear evidence and witnesses accounts like this one from Veronica. I second Veronica and applaud Godfrey Gonsalves, Floriano, Valmiki and all the others for creating the right levels of awareness of this problem. Best Paulo Colaco Dias. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Veronica Fernandes Sent: 19 June 2006 12:41 GOAN FREEDOM FIGHTERS. If I were a real and genuine freedom fighter, I would never accept any reward, either Pension or Tamrapatra. My fight for freedom would never be for any sort of material reward, my fight for freedom would only be out of high principle and high ideology which are unrewardable materially. Accepting any material benefit would degrade and disgrace my fight for freedom for Goa. My fight for freedom would never be a purchable commodity which would cheapen the gravity of my principle. My fight for freedom wouldbe out of idelogy and the reward for this idelogical fight would be the success of the fight that is freedom. When Goa was invaded as stated by the great Goan Fr. Mendonca the then Principal of St. Joseph High School, Arpora, Bardez or when Goa was conquered as verdicted by the Supreme Court of India or when Goa was annexed by Bharat as stated by many of the eminent Goa lover Goans or when Goa was liberated as dubbed by the Government of India, I was young but not sucking the breast of my beloved mother. Ours was not a family having affiliation to Portugal neither we liked the Bharati corrupt regime. Yet we felt Portuguese should go from Goa but by driving out European Portuguese we should not allow arriving in of Bharati Portuguese - to quote Mahatma Gandhi. Goan freedom fighters have not got freedom for Goa but it was the gift given to them on silver platter by the Nehru's Congress without taking into confidence the larger portion of Goa. The freedom on Goa was imposed on Goa by Bharati Millitary who during the first few days robbed Goan Shops, Houses and raped our females. They are disgraceful Indians and I feel ashamed that such people are Goa's liberators. No freedom fighter then raised his voice against this mischief nor any genuine freedom fighter opposed to the induction into their rank of fake and artificial freedom fighters who are swarming with the blessings of BJP, MGP and single handedly Prataph Singh Rauji Rane whose word is become a law now. It is a shame that we still are having newer freedom fighters. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Buying property in Goa... tourists study the issue
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g297604-c3411/Goa:India.html Inside Goa: Indian Property Rights Created by jpurz, 12:25 pm, June 10, 2006 Edit this page Additional Significant Contributors: dribyar To be eligible to buy a home in India, a foreign national of non-Indian origin is required to reside in the country for 183 days in a tax year before he or she can purchase the property on a freehold basis. Many travelers from the UK come to Goa on 180-day tourist visas. To enable them to acquire a home, they sign a lease-contract that enables them to enjoy the use and possession of a home in Goa in the interim (i.e., until they qualify for the freehold in the manner described below), which they otherwise would not be able to do because of their 180-day visa. On the strength of their lease-contract as proof that they have a home in Goa, many of them have then obtained longer-term visas (i.e. of more than six months duration) from Indian high commissions/consulates abroad, or six-month, non-tourist visas that can be extended in India. Some may travel to a neighboring country like Sri Lanka or Nepal to renew their Indian visa and return to India thereafter. This enables them to fulfill the residence criterion, i.e., to stay for a 183-day period in any particular year and thereby qualify for freehold ownership. The lease contract has a duration of 58 months (approx. five years) and is renewed for additional 58-month periods, as necessary or until such time the foreign national is able to qualify for the freehold. As soon as he or she does so, the lease-contract is converted at no extra cost into a freehold (purchase) deed, which is then registered in the local property registry office. The lease arrangement is convenient for many since most travelers are initially issued only 180-day visas. In any case, they usually spend only a few weeks each year in the initial stages. Most of them intend to spend longer periods in future when they will use their home in Goa for their retirement years. Therefore, they plan to qualify for the freehold electively when it is convenient for them to spend the six-month period in India and / or when they are ready to retire. The period of residence need not be continuous, but has to add up to 183 days in any tax year (April to March of the following calendar year). The reason that the lease contract has a duration of under five years is because the regulations prescribe that any lease arrangement of 60 months or more requires the lessee to fulfill the residency requirement. Another aspect of Indian property regulations is that a foreign national is not permitted to repatriate the proceeds of eventual sale of the property. This legislation is probably intended to discourage speculative trading in real-estate by overseas investors. Hence, a foreign national based in England, for example, who sends Pounds to India for purchase of a villa or apartment, can sell his/her home at some future date if they wish. However, their bankers in India are not allowed to remit the sale price in Pounds back to the country of origin of the seller. The sale proceeds have to be credited to a local bank account of the seller and can be used in any manner as he or she wishes, including the acquisition of another home in Goa. Capital-gains tax is payable on the profit that the seller will make. The tax rate is 20% of the gain if the property has been held by the owner for more than 3 years and approx. 30% of the gain if the seller sells before 3 years of purchase. You need to be a RESIDENT to BUY a property (which means get your deeds). If you are not a RESIDENT then you still own the property on a leasehold as has already been mentioned. What is a RESIDENT. They must be in India for a period of 182 days in the proceeding financial year AND prove their intention to stay in India. BOTH criteria MUST be fulfilled, not just the 182 day bit. Can people please take note of this as it seems to be overlooked by many. The RBI does not stipulate how you can prove your intention to stay but basic employment, having a RUNNING business or selling everything in your home country and moving to Goa should suffice. People have been advised by solicitors to buy property under a business name, dont do it unless you are aware of the law. The buisiness should be trading and the property must be used in connection with the business. You also have to submit information to the
[Goanet] Free Software network meets this weekend
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Free Software network meets this weekend PANJIM, June 21: ILUG-Goa, Goa's Free Software and GNU/Linux network, meets this weekend at the Goa Science Centre Miramar on June 24 (Saturday) from 3 to 5 pm. This monthly meet will focus on broadband with Linux, peer-to-peer knowledge creation and sharing, and experiences with Fedora Core 5. The meet is open to all, with those joining only having to pay the Science Centre entry fee of Rs 10. Goa's active Free Software and Open Source network can also accessed at http://iluggoalist.notlong.com/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] The destruction of Hindu temples to build
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hi Vivek, I have not corresponded with you and I do not follow your posts. Yet in reference to below, can you post the specific acts of extreme example of religious bigotry and intolerance committed by St. Francis Xavier? Just the facts sir (not opinions), as it related to SFX (not the Portuguese) with references of the claims. Like Marlon, please take your time to research the information. After you provide us with the documentation, we can accept what ever you claim we should accept. We look forward to see the actual quotes of personal letters of SFX or first-hand accounts. That will help us understand what SFX was saying, which is often misinterpreted. I analyzed this a few years ago for Filomena Geise on Goanet. Thanks much on behalf of all Goans, who look forward to your research. Kind Regards, GL Vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is well documented by independent historians and the writings of people like Francis xavier too reflect that barbarity. I belive it would be a good start for all of us if accept that what the portuguese and other colonial missionaries of bygone era incuding francis xavier did was an extreme example of religious bigotry and intolerance. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Blackpool, Benidorm ... No, it's just Baga!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Blackpool, Benidorm ... No, it's just Baga! Check this discussion online: http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g424923-i9241-k520265-Baga_Beach_a_wild_resort-Goa_Goa.html yogamad * Posted on: 5:05 am, March 20, 2006: I'm planning a trip to a resort called Villa Goensa in Baga Beach for yoga and ayurvedic pampering. Does anyone know if i've picked a good spot for relaxation? Thank a lot! Goanluv * Baga beach has turned into the Blackpool/Benidorm of Goa -the beach is so crowded with sun beds, the hawkers a constant stream and the roads are manic.with shopkeepers either side screaming look at my shop come and buy! Have never noticed Villa Goensa hope it is away from the madness and that you enjoy. If not sanity is only a short taxi ride away further North or South so dont let my negative report put you off too much and if your ayurvedic pampering is booked at Villa Goensa one would hope the ambience is included. bazchops * Yorkshire. UK (3105344): Getting a bit worried by your descriptions of Baga as I've booked to stay at the Sun village which in the brochure says In a peacefully secluded hillside setting, this comfortable all-inclusive hotel will appeal to the discerning traveller. The descriptions of the surrounding Baga area also do not make it sound like the Blackpool /benidorm of the Arabian Sea. We spend a lot of holidays in Corfu but always go to the quiet NW corner, purposefully staying away from the Blackpool/Benidorm party areas in the SE. Have we made a huge mistake in our selection of resort in Goa? Your help/advice is much appreciated. Scott TriuumphNed * Coventry, UK (3121835): The Sun Village is in a quieter area away from the main resorts, but only a short taxi ride. But nowhere is really that noisy. I find this constant just like Blackpool moan very irritating. The majority of people coming to North Goa choose it because they want the bars and nightlife, while still experiencing some aspects of Indian life. Very few places have loud music after midnight, and every where (apart from Calangute's main road) still has a chilled feel to it with friendly people around, both local and tourists I was in Baga in November and Blackpool in January and i had no trouble telling the two apart! Gemma1 * Blackpool is cold and grey, Baga is hot and sunny! I wouldn't worry too much about it bazchops, you really need to try it yourself and make your own mind up. We only visited Baga for the day but I preferred it to Calangute which was really manic and I found the top end of Baga near the river quite picturesque. Like you I love Greece but find Corfu a bit too commercialised, I prefer the islands you can only visit by ferry. Visiting Goa is an experience and I'm sure you'll have a great time - just go with an open mind. Goanluv * Triumph Ned i think you will find that those who compare Baga to Blackpool have been going to Goa for many years and have seen such an unpleasant change from a small fishing village to a now very commercialised tourist area. Whether you are in a position to agree or not you cannot deny it is not a peaceful relaxing atmosphere, it is manic and I for one wont go near it. Yoga mad dont worry if your resort is on the outskirts you are away from the madness. As a first time visitor let us have your views when you return Enjoy Minnie9 * We have been going to Baga since the early nineties. It is busy ,I cant deny it but it bears no resemblance in any way shape or form to Blackpool! Goanluv * Minnie having never been to Blackpool can I explain it is not a comparison maybe I should have said Benidorm but am sure someone else will contradict me on that too. What I am saying is Baga is manic it is full of tourists and very few original locals, it is full of people trying to make money out of tourism I apologise for using the word Blackpool if it offends _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goans set to celebrate WORLD GOA DAY in Melbourne, AUS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- As someone who is keenly aware of the founding role Goa Sudharop played in World Goa Day, I will write later how some celebrations are not consistent with the original mission of WGD and have failed to deliver. Some constructive suggestions might get WGD back on track. This is not meant to criticize Oscar's hard work and the hard work of others but it will be useful to revisit Filomena Giese's idea of WGD. Regards, George --- Oscar Hazel Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GOANS SET TO CELEBRATE WORLD GOA DAY IN MELBOURNE Goans in Melbourne will be celebrating the now regular Annual World Goa Day event with their family and friends on Saturday the 30th of September 2006. In order to accommodate the larger numbers attending this year, the event will be held at the Kingston City Hall, Moorabbin. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Junachi 21vi, 2006!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Tujea lagim asa taka Devak argam dhi; tuka goroz poddta taka Devacher patie. (Thank God for what you have; trust God for what you need.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
