z990 multiprocessor overhead issue.

2006-03-24 Thread Patrick Loftus
We seem to be experiencing noticeably less MIPS than expected on our z/OS
LPARs, and it almost looks like the speciality engines (zAAP, IFL etc) are
contributing to the multiproccesor overheads and reducing the CPU resource.

Has anyone else experienced greater multiprocessor overheads than expected
on a z990, or noticed similar problems?

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Re: Clock syncronization between platforms

2006-03-24 Thread Chris Mason
Paul,

I'm sure you're right.

I was highlighting the fact that UDP was used because the original post
mentioned wanting to use TCP/IP for synchronization of clocks. Probably he
didn't care whether or not it was TCP or UDP on top of IP that was the
protocol for the job - hence the finicky.

Incidentally, a point I used to make in teaching ICMP (as part of IP
management), ICMP operates at the same protocol level as UDP and TCP, namely
directly on top of IP, and it would be possible to write a time-setting
client based on the ICMP Timestamp/Timestamp Reply request. I know because I
used this potential application as an exercise in C sockets writing and as a
very - emphasis on the very - basic experiment to explore the issue of
synchronizing time over a network. Your mention of uncertainty of packet
arrival time reminded me of this little exercise.

Chris Mason

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 In a recent note, Chris Mason said:

  Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:44:26 +0100
 
  Incidentally, both these servers use UDP rather than TCP - I know I'm
being
  finicky :-) According to RFC 868, TCP is allowed for this time
  synchronization function but TIMED uses only UDP.
 
 I suspect there's good motivation for preferring UDP.  The complex
 error recovery for TCP is likely to increase the uncertainty of
 packet arrival time.

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Bell
 
 [ snip ]
 
 The single biggest issue I remember was blksize on loadlibs. 
 After much discussion, we moved them manually with copymod to 
 set new blksizes.

IBM has been recommending BLKSIZE=32760 for load libraries for at least
a decade.

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RES: Problem copying VM volumes under z/OS

2006-03-24 Thread Oswaldo Ferreira de Matos
Hi Bruce,

I tryed to INIT the target volume under MVS with INIT. But the copy always
fail.

My INIT :

ICKDSF - MVS/ESADEVICE SUPPORT FACILITIES 17.0TIME: 0
 
 INIT UNIT(8801) VOLID(HI8801) VFY(HI8801)   
ICK00700I DEVICE INFORMATION FOR 8801 IS CURRENTLY AS FOLLOWS:   
  PHYSICAL DEVICE = 3390 
  STORAGE CONTROLLER = 2105  
  STORAGE CONTROL DESCRIPTOR = E8
  DEVICE DESCRIPTOR = 0A 
  ADDITIONAL DEVICE INFORMATION = 4A35   
  TRKS/CYL = 15, # PRIMARY CYLS = 3339   
ICK04000I DEVICE IS IN SIMPLEX STATE 
ICK00091I 8801 NED=  2105.   .HTC.55.00011134
ICK31061I 8801 VTOC INDEX CREATION SUCCESSFUL: VOLUME IS IN INDEX FORMAT 
ICK01317I VTOC-INDEX IS LOCATED AT CCHH=X'0001 ' AND IS15 TRACKS.
ICK01314I VTOC IS LOCATED AT CCHH=X' 0001' AND IS14 TRACKS.   
ICK1I FUNCTION COMPLETED, HIGHEST CONDITION CODE WAS 0 

My Copy :

PAGE 0001 5695-DF175  DFSMSDSS V1R3.0  DATA SET SERVICES 2006.083
09:29 
 COPYTRACKS(0,0,3338,14)  COPYVOLID -

 ADMINISTRATOR PURGE -

 CPVOLUME -

 INDDNAME(ENTRADA) -

 OUTDDNAME(SAIDA)

ADR101I (R/I)-RI01 (01), TASKID 001 HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO COMMAND 'COPY '

ADR109I (R/I)-RI01 (01), 2006.083 09:29:28 INITIAL SCAN OF USER CONTROL
STATEMEN
ADR016I (001)-PRIME(01), RACF LOGGING OPTION IN EFFECT FOR THIS TASK

ADR006I (001)-STEND(01), 2006.083 09:29:28 EXECUTION BEGINS

ADR307E (001)-OPNCL(11), UNABLE TO OPEN VOLUME HI8801, 16

ADR006I (001)-STEND(02), 2006.083 09:29:28 EXECUTION ENDS

ADR013I (001)-CLTSK(01), 2006.083 09:29:28 TASK COMPLETED WITH RETURN CODE
0008 
ADR012I (SCH)-DSSU (01), 2006.083 09:29:28 DFSMSDSS PROCESSING COMPLETE.
HIGHEST
 TASK001


But with INIT under VM

ICKDSF - CMS/XA/ESA DEVICE SUPPORT FACILITIES 17.0 
03/24/06 PAGE   1  
   
ENTER INPUT COMMAND:   
  CPVOL FMT MODE(ESA) UNIT(8801) VOLID(HI8801) NOVFY - 
ENTER INPUT COMMAND:
 RANGE(0,3338)  
ICK00700I DEVICE INFORMATION FOR 8801 IS CURRENTLY AS FOLLOWS:  
  PHYSICAL DEVICE = 3390
  STORAGE CONTROLLER = 3990 
  STORAGE CONTROL DESCRIPTOR = E9   
  DEVICE DESCRIPTOR = 0A
  ADDITIONAL DEVICE INFORMATION = 4A001B35  
ICK04000I DEVICE IS IN SIMPLEX STATE
ICK00091I 8801 NED=  2105.   .HTC.55.00011134   
ICK091I   8801 NED=  2105.   .HTC.55.00011134   
ICK03020I CPVOL WILL PROCESS 8801 FOR VM/ESA MODE   
ICK03090I VOLUME SERIAL = HI8801
ICK03022I FORMATTING THE DEVICE WITHOUT FILLER RECORDS  
ICK03011I CYLINDER RANGE TO BE FORMATTED IS 0 - 3338
ICK003D REPLY U TO ALTER VOLUME 8801 CONTENTS, ELSE T   
U   
ICK03000I CPVOL REPORT FOR 8801 FOLLOWS:

  FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 0 STARTED AT: 09:35:10 
  FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 100 ENDED AT: 09:35:13 
  FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 200 ENDED AT: 09:35:16 
  ... 
  FORMATTING OF CYLINDER 3338 ENDED AT: 09:37:03  
  
  VOLUME SERIAL NUMBER IS NOW = HI8801
  
  CYLINDER ALLOCATION CURRENTLY IS AS FOLLOWS:
  TYPE START  ENDTOTAL
   -  ----
  PERM 0  3338   3339 
  
ICK1I FUNCTION COMPLETED, HIGHEST CONDITION CODE WAS 0
  09:37:0303/24/06
  
ENTER INPUT COMMAND: 
end

Now the copy is OK 
 COPYTRACKS(0,0,3338,14)  COPYVOLID -

 ADMINISTRATOR PURGE -

 CPVOLUME -

 INDDNAME(ENTRADA) -

 OUTDDNAME(SAIDA)

ADR101I (R/I)-RI01 (01), TASKID 001 HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO COMMAND 

Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Gary Green
Because the devil made me do it?

Nah, I didn't think you would but it.

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I am getting sick of Friday Topics.
Why do we have to go to off-topic just because it's Friday?
First, these topics rarely stay on just Friday.
Second, there is already a low signal-to-noise ratio on this list.
I know I have not been perfect in the past, but I have stayed on topic for
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Re: RES: Problem copying VM volumes under z/OS

2006-03-24 Thread Brian Peterson
Look up this message in the manual.  According to the message, DFDSS does
not support the CPVOLUME parameter unless the VM volume has an OS-
compatible VTOC.  ICKDSF INIT on VM will create a VM volume with an OS-
compatible VTOC.  An ICKDSF INIT on MVS will not create a VM volume.  The
CPVOLUME parameter only works with a real VM volume.

Brian

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:58:04 -0300, Oswaldo Ferreira de Matos
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ADR307E (001)-OPNCL(11), UNABLE TO OPEN VOLUME HI8801, 16

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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 3/23/2006 11:30:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
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 _http://marketplace.espeakers.com/movie.php?sid=5290aid=10558_ 
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This has nothing to do with mainframes, but I sure am glad you posted  this.  
:-)  Made my day (and maybe whole  week).


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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Richards.Bob
I enjoyed it too! But can he juggle workload priorities, implementation 
schedules, project deliverables, etc?  grin

Bob 

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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Fletcher, Kevin
Gary,

Great post and has more to do with MF jobs than you think. Do not tell
me know one remembers juggling 3480 carts? ;-)

Thanks,
 
Fletch 
 
 

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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Stefani Collier
Are you kidding?  Off-topic was the 3380 to 3390 conversion thread 
morphing into a riduculous conversation about contractors/consultants 
which caused the original poster of the question to have to ask for help a 
second time.  You have the option of not participating by not reading the 
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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread John Eells

Chase, John wrote:

-Original Message-
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[ snip ]

The single biggest issue I remember was blksize on loadlibs. 
After much discussion, we moved them manually with copymod to 
set new blksizes.



IBM has been recommending BLKSIZE=32760 for load libraries for at least
a decade.

snip

Absolutely true for system software load libraries.  I don't 
recall that we ever recommended a specific block size for other 
load libraries, except perhaps by thoughtlessly omitting the for 
system software target libraries phrase in an informal setting 
(say, here in IBM-MAIN).


For example, using 32760 for other load libraries can cause some 
head-scratching and extra work during device conversions...which, 
oddly enough, is the current topic!  That's one reason we never 
recommended it in the general case.


Another is that system software target libraries tend to be built 
on the device types from which they will be used, and tended by 
sysprogs who might remember to reblock them during a conversion 
effort.  Application libraries, by contrast, might bounce around 
among different device geometries under DFSMShsm control or be 
moved by storage administrators who are moving *so* much stuff at 
once that fine-tuning isn't a reasonable option.  For these 
libraries, a reasonable submultiple of the track lengths of the 
different devices--that is, one that yields reasonable space 
utilization on each one--might well be better choice of block 
size.  (Ever wonder where all those 6K-ish block sizes came from? 
 Now you know.)


In any case, for block sizes that are not reasonable submultiples 
of the two track lengths in question, you should always move load 
libraries between different device types using IEBCOPY COPYMOD, 
*not* COPY.  Otherwise, particularly for data sets with large 
block sizes, the difference in track lengths will result in truly 
abysmal space utilization for those data sets having load modules 
with lots of long text blocks and less-than-optimum space 
utilization for most of the rest.


Also, to avoid RC4s from COPYMOD that would make a duly diligent 
sysprog from looking at (and up) messages that don't matter, 
always use PARM=SPCLCMOD with COPYMOD.


John Eells
z/OS Technical Marketing
IBM Poughkeepsie

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 3/24/2006 6:56:41 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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IBM has  been recommending BLKSIZE=32760 for load libraries for at least
a  decade.




Sell that DASD?

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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Liliane L. Clever

Made my day too.  The guy is really good!

Liliane

At 08:42 AM 3/24/2006, (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) wrote:



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:-)  Made my day (and maybe whole  week).


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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Dave Thorn
A little fun on this list, limited to Fridays, never hurt anyone.  Lighten
up gang.

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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Amazing - an earlier poster said something about juggling 3480
cartridges.  I've never done that but have definitely felt like this guy
while trying to juggle projects.

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A little fun on this list, limited to Fridays, never hurt anyone.
Lighten up gang.


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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Greg Shirey
This list is hosted by the University of Alabama as a service.  As guests,
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Re: WLM Question

2006-03-24 Thread Terry Linsley
Eureka!

If one digs deep enough (couple miles should do), RMF III will report what
service class a DDF thread was classified into.

The reason I wanted this was because I had a strong suspicion one of my prod
DDF workloads was still falling out of the ruleset to default (suspicion
based on indirect evidence).  Since the workload in question was coming in
through VTAM (all threads through the same LU name), I changed the pertinent
sub-rule to an LN type and they magically started classifying correctly.

I was very curious why CI did not work for these threads.  Using the new
found RMF III info, I discovered that the CI was being sent by the AIX
system in lower case*.  Changed the sub-rule back to type CI and specified
the name in lower case, taking care to specify N for fold qualifier name
(they sure could have named that more intuitively).  Now the threads
classify correctly by CI.

Thanks a bunch to all who replied!  I learned more than I bargained for in
this little adventure, but that's always (usually) a good thing.

*TMON was reporting this CI in upper case for some reason.  I will report
that to the TMON/MVS folks.


On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:26:00 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:04 -0600, Terry Linsley wrote:

 Is there a straight forward method of determining if an enclave is
 dependant?  Would an example of one be when a DB2 utility spawns multiple
 threads to build an index during a table load or recovery?

RMFIII has an indicator - I think that's what twigged me to go find out
what the hell a dependent enclave was.
PP isn't any help.

I'd be *REAL* surprised if any have surfaced in your environment unless
it was the home-grown stuff - ours was, although not Java.

We had a small local batch job that did some DB2 log analysis - this is
where the dep enclave came from. Ops noticed it (apparently) wasn't
doing anything, and reset the job.
Still wasn't doing anything, but the shop stopped - no prod batch was
going anywhere. Eventually I got a call. The dependant enclave came
along for the ride, and was consuming a full engine - out of 3.
At 2.10, this was *very* hard to track down.
Ops got kicked (again) for using reset.

Even these episodes aren't enough to cause a change of mind about
mandatory logon on the consoles.

Shane ...

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Mike Bell
Yes, but this conversion happended about 20 years ago.  Some of the loadlibs
were still blocked for 3330.  Others were blocked to numbers that made no
sense at all.  production control had a lot of code to handle the different
blksizes but still had periodic problems (one or two a year). . It was a
chance to clean up a long standing mess.

Mike

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  The single biggest issue I remember was blksize on loadlibs.
  After much discussion, we moved them manually with copymod to
  set new blksizes.

 IBM has been recommending BLKSIZE=32760 for load libraries for at least
 a decade.

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Re: WLM Question

2006-03-24 Thread Terry Linsley
Timothy,

Thanks.  That is very good information and I am saving a copy for future
use.  Unfortunately manglement is dragging it's collective heels in letting
us move z/OS 1.4 to production.  So any solutions involving z/OS are pretty
far out on the radar right now.  Our currently contrained hardware is z800,
so that knocks out the other solutions.  I do anticipate we will upgrade our
hardware (and necessarily the OS also) before too awfully long.  When we do,
I plan to lobby hard for at least a zIIP (zAAP too if I can).


On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:58:03 -0700, Timothy Sipples
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Terry Linsley writes:
Our DDF traffic is 1/3 MS Access,
1/3 DB2 connect, and 1/3 locally developed java apps.  Of the three, MS
Access causes the most pain hands down.

Off on a slight tangent here, there are some things you can do to take the
DDF temperature down. I'll list these in order of timeliness to your
current situation -- first what's possible with OS/390 V2R10, then moving
beyond. (As it happens the OS/390 options are reusable and apply to z/OS,
so there's no danger of throwaway effort.)

OS/390 Possibilities:

1. Put DB2 Connect on Linux on the mainframe. Having a local connection
between DB2 Connect and DB2 (even if it isn't a Hipersocket) should shave
some milliseconds out of each connection, and that'll help DB2 work more
efficiently. Try sending your Microsoft Access and Java clients in via
this DB2 Connect on mainframe Linux and see how that works, too.

2. Move some/all of your Java applications (particularly the data
intensive ones) up to mainframe Linux. Same principle as #1: proximity has
workload benefits.

z/OS Possibilities:

3. Add a Hipersocket between DB2 Connect (mainframe Linux) and DB2.
Requires z/OS 1.2 or higher and z900 or higher.

4. Evaluate DB2 V8 to see whether you have requests that could benefit
from multi-row fetch/multi-row insert. Microsoft Access might very well be
in that category. Requires z/OS 1.3 or higher and z900 or higher. (Combine
with DB2 Connect for Linux on mainframe.)

5. Add a zAAP and move the Java applications into the same LPAR as DB2.
(The most proximate solution.) Requires z990, z890, or System z9. Requires
z/OS 1.6 or higher.

6. Add a zIIP for the remaining inbound traffic arriving from outside the
LPAR. Requires z/OS 1.6 or higher, DB2 V8, and System z9. This option
becomes available later in 2006.

Hope that helps!

- - - - -
Timothy F. Sipples
Consulting Enterprise Software Architect, z9/zSeries
IBM Japan, Ltd.
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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Gary Green
Or better still, 3850's.

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Gary,

Great post and has more to do with MF jobs than you think. Do not tell
me know one remembers juggling 3480 carts? ;-)

Thanks,
 
Fletch 
 
 

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
When we converted 10 to 15 years ago, I just used FDR/DSF and DFDSS to 
copy data.  You have to do the dataset copy, not the full volume dump 
copy.  I also changed the naming convention of the volsers.  I think it 
was something like PRD0nn to PRD3nn - the PRD0nn being the original 
3380K drives, the PRD3nn being 3390 Mod 3 drives.  I copied much of the 
data during first shift, making sure that it was not in use.  Most of 
the VSAM and IMS files which were always in use by CICS during the day 
were converted by doing the application backups and doing restores on 
the weekend.  

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


- Original Message -
From: willie bunter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

 Hi,
   
  I was the originator of the post and I asked for help.  
 Somewhere down the line the thread got hi-jacked and the 
 discussion became one about contractors and the antagonism towards 
 them.  I am very disappointed at the lack of professionalism.  
   
  Again, if someone out there has any tips or information 
 regarding 3380-3390 conversion please, please answer back.
   
  I apologise for my diatribe but I am desperate for help and 
 information.
   

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Re: WLM Question

2006-03-24 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:23 -0600, Terry Linsley wrote:
 Eureka!
 
 I discovered that the CI was being sent by the AIX
 system in lower case*.  Changed the sub-rule back to type CI and specified
 the name in lower case, taking care to specify N for fold qualifier name
 (they sure could have named that more intuitively).  Now the threads
 classify correctly by CI.

Should have remembered to mention that - SAP R3 uses lower case as well.
I now specify both (fully) lower and upper case rules for everything
just in case (for R3). Good thing they are one or the other, and not
mixed, else the ruleset would explode in size.
Glad to hear it all worked out o.k.

Shane ...

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VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Hare
Is this the correct place to ask about VTAM issues? We're trying to move a
Microsoft Host Integration Server from 802.2 connection to IP-DLC (AKA
Enterprise Extender). The documentation we've found, however, doesn't
really use the same names everywhere so we're having difficulty relating it
to what we want to do.  I remember (fondly) an old IBM Redbook which had
examples of how to define things on both ends, and also documented what
names and parameters had to match. Is there any such thing for HIS and VTAM
(sorry Communication Server)?

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Re: (fwd) RE: Contractor vs. employee was RE: 3380-3390 Conversion

2006-03-24 Thread Avram Friedman
In addition to the 'Contractor vs. employee' split
there is also the
'professional vs company man' comparison

Do I do what is best for the people who cut my check,
could be a widget maker or a consultant body shop.
example: An Enron person going to any length to make his firm look good

Do I do what is best for my profession
 say insist on software service even in
location that is change / update resistant.

Contractor vs employee
professional vs company man
both assume the technical person is
submissive to some higher authority

Given
   declining job security
   outsourcing
   automation
Perhaps technical people should be thinking off
improving protection of there personal needs / rights
instead of what ever big brother happens to be mentioned.

Time has come where the places we do work should be
regarded as Clients rather than Masters.

Avram Friedman
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:20:39 -0500, Richard Tsujimoto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Clark wrote:
Having read Bob Shannon's comment about contractors breaking the
watch, have I been elevated to the lofty category of consultant
because I normally didn't break the programs or system?  If it weren't
for Bob's great service to SHARE and to the field, I might really get
annoyed.

Having been a consultant/contractor for over 26 years (I did try being an
employee for about 8 yrs), I've learned to accept the sniping - it goes
with the territory.  It's pointless to get into a pissing match.  In
truth, there's incompetency on both sides of the fence, as well as some
very good people.  But, I do take exception to that comment about the
difference between a consultant and contractor.  A contractor would simply
pocket the watch after telling the customer the time.  We're a lot more
subtle than consultants.  grin

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Re: WLM Question

2006-03-24 Thread Porowski, Ken
Depending on the application (we have PeopleSoft Financials) some of the
CI come in both upper and lowercase so we have to have both types in for
correct classification. 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Terry Linsley
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:23 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] WLM Question

Eureka!

If one digs deep enough (couple miles should do), RMF III will report
what service class a DDF thread was classified into.

The reason I wanted this was because I had a strong suspicion one of my
prod DDF workloads was still falling out of the ruleset to default
(suspicion based on indirect evidence).  Since the workload in question
was coming in through VTAM (all threads through the same LU name), I
changed the pertinent sub-rule to an LN type and they magically started
classifying correctly.

I was very curious why CI did not work for these threads.  Using the new
found RMF III info, I discovered that the CI was being sent by the AIX
system in lower case*.  Changed the sub-rule back to type CI and
specified the name in lower case, taking care to specify N for fold
qualifier name
(they sure could have named that more intuitively).  Now the threads
classify correctly by CI.

Thanks a bunch to all who replied!  I learned more than I bargained for
in this little adventure, but that's always (usually) a good thing.

*TMON was reporting this CI in upper case for some reason.  I will
report that to the TMON/MVS folks.


On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:26:00 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:04 -0600, Terry Linsley wrote:

 Is there a straight forward method of determining if an enclave is 
 dependant?  Would an example of one be when a DB2 utility spawns 
 multiple threads to build an index during a table load or recovery?

RMFIII has an indicator - I think that's what twigged me to go find out

what the hell a dependent enclave was.
PP isn't any help.

I'd be *REAL* surprised if any have surfaced in your environment unless

it was the home-grown stuff - ours was, although not Java.

We had a small local batch job that did some DB2 log analysis - this is

where the dep enclave came from. Ops noticed it (apparently) wasn't 
doing anything, and reset the job.
Still wasn't doing anything, but the shop stopped - no prod batch was 
going anywhere. Eventually I got a call. The dependant enclave came 
along for the ride, and was consuming a full engine - out of 3.
At 2.10, this was *very* hard to track down.
Ops got kicked (again) for using reset.

Even these episodes aren't enough to cause a change of mind about 
mandatory logon on the consoles.

Shane ...

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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I thought that the capacity model allowed you to go all the way from 1 
processor to the maximum number of processors.  I think the z/900 comes 
with books containing 8 processors each.  You order 1 book if you need 
between 1 and 8 CPs, 2 if you need between 9 and 16, with a maximum of 
3 books (I think).  The capacity model allows you to go from 1 CP to 
the maximum, without having to install anything.  

You are allowed to upgrade if you started with say 3 CPs, you can go 
all the way up to 8 without having to install anything. 

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


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From: John S. Giltner, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: z900 Capacity Models?
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

 Chase, John wrote:
  At http://www-
 03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/z900/glance.html I
  see this:
  
  Hardware models 
  General purpose models 101-109, 110-116, 210-216 
  Capacity models 1C1-1C9, 2C1-2C9
  
  However, I don't see a definition of Capacity models; nor do I see
  anything that would intuitively distinguish between a general 
 purpose model and a capacity model, other than the C in the 
 model number.
  
  Can somebody give me a clue what capacity model means?
  
  TIA,
  
  -jc-
  
 
 IIRC the Capacity models mean that they they are able to do 
 capacity on 
 demand (COD) upgrades.  That is add a CPU on the fly without any 
 POR or 
 IPL.  Just call IBM, give them your credit card number, some guy 
 sitting 
 someplace dials into the box enables one or more CP's, and you now 
 have 
 more capacity.

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Re: How to marry subsystem and dynamic allocation

2006-03-24 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:54:44 -0600, Tom Schmidt wrote:

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:13:57 -0500, Gil, Victor x28091 wrote:

Good afternoon, IBM-MAIN

We'd like to be able to prevent certain confidential fields in
production
files from being revealed to unauthorized users while still allowing
access to the rest of the record. From the users prospective these files
are read-only and are accessed through TSO, batch or CICS for testing or
comparison purposes.

The total volume of such files is huge and changes daily, so cloning them
and altering the sensitive fields is not an option. The only other option
we can think of is to develop an in-house method of intercepting and
altering records while they are being read, transparently to the
application.

Here's what we've researched so far:

- In CICS this should be easily achievable through the file control exit.
The exit would look up the dataset in a table and if found, apply a
correspondent rule.
- In batch we would implement a subsystem that would intercept each
[sequential] I/O and alter the record using the very same rules.

What do we do in TSO? Generally, how do we intercept records of a
dynamically allocated file?

There is a system-wide dynalloc input validation exit, IEFDB401, and it
might be able to add SUBSYS=... to the DYNALLOC requests, but this would
severe overtax all other dynamic allocations in the shop.

Appreciate all and any ideas, as crazy as they might sound
-Victor-


Victor,

I wonder just how huge the total volume of files really is.  (Are we
talking trillions of bytes?  Tens-of-thousands of files accessed daily?)

Why not consider splitting these files into a confidential and non-
confidential file pair?  The advantage of splitting the files into a
confidential field file and a non-confidential field file is obvious:
security should be straightforward.

You could stitch the common I/O routine into the GET routine address via a
subsystem (as you've suggested) or via an OPEN front-end (as, I believe,
John suggested), or via a BatchPipes stage (e.g., JOIN).

The BP subsystem approach could be used to stitch the files together on
reads and split them apart on writes.  BP with appropriate fittings should
be able to accomplish both of those things with a comparitively minimal
amount of programming on your part.  The BP pipelines stages would not
necessarily require a pipe writer + reader pair of jobs; you would use the
pipe fitting SUBSYS JCL to insert the stages onto the DD statement(s) and
avoid writing nearly all of that nasty authorized code to filter your
confidential (and no-doubt customer critical) files.

The issue I'm largely ignoring is getting the JCL inserted... but that
might be fairly simple with some unique pipe stages to perform dynamic
allocation (although you might have problems doing DYNALLOC at some points
in the processes).  (I don't recall ever trying to do that w/ BP.)  It
might require JCL changes but mass JCL changes aren't much of a challenge.
(Besides, if your users need access to the secret stuff they'll go along
with the change.)

But these confidential fields -- won't programs that don't get to see
them miss them in the records at all?  You have procedural languages
processing those files, right?  Don't you think the COBOL (et al) routines
will be even a little upset that they are not seeing what they expect where
they expect it?


Sorry for following my own post, but there is another, somewhat less
elegent technique you could use with split files (one confidential and the
other non-confidential):  SORT's JOIN operation.  You'd have to worry about
mixed confidentiality of the data between the sort step and the downstream
use step(s) (which is something you wouldn't need to worry about with the
pipes solution).  But this would be cheap - just a JCL change - since you
undoubtedly already have a sort license.  If you could run your downstream
applications as an E35 exit you'd cover the security... but that might be
asking a bit much.  You could use an E35 exit to resplit the files by
fields, of course, but I believe the sorts have a SPLIT operation analagous
to their JOIN operation.

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Re: The Replacements ???

2006-03-24 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi,

In a related topic Death of the Mainframe Steve Ware did a really nice
presentation at SHARE in Seattle based on a simple premise A CICS
support person should be able to articulate the current capabilities of
CICS and the mainframe, and make compelling arguments in favor of
continuing to exploit and enhance the capabilities and features of CICS
and the mainframe..

This session though presented in the CICS project is a great read for
anyone who needs to be a zSeries platform advocate.  Steve presented a
number of issues in a light hearted way and pointed out some good
resources.

http://tinyurl.com/zdqbw

http://shareew.prod.web.sba.com/client_files/callpapers/attach/SHARE_in_
Seattle/S1057SW111717.pdf

http://shareew.prod.web.sba.com/proceedingmod/abstract.cfm?abstract_id=1
2986conference_id=13

Best Regards, 

Sam Knutson, GEICO 
Performance and Availability Management 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(office)  301.986.3574 

Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast...

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Re: WLM Question

2006-03-24 Thread Terry Linsley
Yes, Shane had mentioned that he specifies it both ways also.  Seems like a
sound approach to me.  I plan to do the same.  Should save on future headaches.

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:28:22 -0500, Porowski, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Depending on the application (we have PeopleSoft Financials) some of the
CI come in both upper and lowercase so we have to have both types in for
correct classification.


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Re: How to marry subsystem and dynamic allocation

2006-03-24 Thread Victor Gil
Thanks a lot to everybody responded.

Sam, moving production files to a DBMS is not an option at this time as it
would require enormous changes to the applictions. And, yes, we are talking
about thousands of files.

David, I am not longer a fan of any smart hooks into MVS services
[certainly not into OPEN or SVC 99 logic] mainly because of the potential
issues with code maintenance. [Although I have to admit, 25 years ago it
was fun to take over DOS 3.x by coding your own $$B-transient module that
would merely change the new PSW address for, say, Program Interruptions, to
an address passed on the call and then just execute the $$B-module was it
through SVC 2? from your problem state routine and divide something by
zero].  And field-level encryption, again, requires massive changes to the
applications.

TomW, Buying a product that allows to add SUBSYS= to a given DD would be
difficult to justify, but I'd love to learn what MVS services it uses to
perform its magic in the case of a dynamic allocation.

TomS, I know very little about BatchPipes, but from your description they
don't sound any better than the subsystem approach in terms of the issue
with dynamic allocation.  As to your question - the confidential fields
[like the social security number] would be returned scrambled. Obviuosly
they won't participate in any arithmetic computation, nor can they serve as
the keys to further locate any associated data.

Still trolling for ideas,
-Victor-

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Re: How to marry subsystem and dynamic allocation

2006-03-24 Thread Tom Williamson
Our ACC product hooks common allocation.  We have been doing this type
of thing for 20 years (ACC/SRS, Stop-X37, Pool-DASD).  The ACC product
already has code that adds SUBSYS to dd statements and then uses the
subsystem open/close routines to front-end get/put.  The hook is used
for a compression product that is used in Japan (we don't sell this part
in the US).  We could look at adding a different module that would do
record level security instead of calling the compression routine.  Send
me an email with your phone number if you want to talk about it.

I am not sure if any other shops would want something like this.  If
not, then it might not make sense for us to support something for just
one.

Tom



Victor Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Thanks a lot to everybody responded.
 
 Sam, moving production files to a DBMS is not an option at this time
as it
 would require enormous changes to the applictions. And, yes, we are
talking
 about thousands of files.
 
 David, I am not longer a fan of any smart hooks into MVS services
 [certainly not into OPEN or SVC 99 logic] mainly because of the
potential
 issues with code maintenance. [Although I have to admit, 25 years ago
it
 was fun to take over DOS 3.x by coding your own $$B-transient module
that
 would merely change the new PSW address for, say, Program
Interruptions, to
 an address passed on the call and then just execute the $$B-module
was it
 through SVC 2? from your problem state routine and divide something
by
 zero].  And field-level encryption, again, requires massive changes to
the
 applications.
 
 TomW, Buying a product that allows to add SUBSYS= to a given DD would
be
 difficult to justify, but I'd love to learn what MVS services it uses
to
 perform its magic in the case of a dynamic allocation.
 
 TomS, I know very little about BatchPipes, but from your description
they
 don't sound any better than the subsystem approach in terms of the
issue
 with dynamic allocation.  As to your question - the confidential
fields
 [like the social security number] would be returned scrambled.
Obviuosly
 they won't participate in any arithmetic computation, nor can they
serve as
 the keys to further locate any associated data.
 
 Still trolling for ideas,
 -Victor-
 
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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
According to the following book, there are 3 lines in the z900 series.
The 101-109 have a book that contains 12 PUs, of which up to 9 can be
normal processors (CP's).  Even though IBM doesn't spell it out this
way, the 1C1 thru 1C9 and the 110-116 actually form a single line or
processors, having a book that contains 20 PU's of which up to 16 can be
CP's.  These machines have the same clock speed as the 101-109 line.
The turbo line, which is the 2C1-2C9 and 210-216 models also have the 20
PU book, again with up to 16 MP's in the box.  The clock speed on this
line is faster than the other 2 lines (hence the turbo definition).
According to the book, any of the three lines can be upgraded within the
line by using CUoD or CIU (whatever that is).  

Based on the above, my guess is that the capacity models simply mean
they have the 20 PU book rather than the 12 PU book, thus allowing more
capacity within the same box without any kind of hardware upgrade.

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/pdf/g326
3092.pdf

Rex


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Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:40 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z900 Capacity Models?


I thought that the capacity model allowed you to go all the way from 1 
processor to the maximum number of processors.  I think the z/900 comes 
with books containing 8 processors each.  You order 1 book if you need 
between 1 and 8 CPs, 2 if you need between 9 and 16, with a maximum of 
3 books (I think).  The capacity model allows you to go from 1 CP to 
the maximum, without having to install anything.  

You are allowed to upgrade if you started with say 3 CPs, you can go 
all the way up to 8 without having to install anything. 

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


- Original Message -
From: John S. Giltner, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: z900 Capacity Models?
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

 Chase, John wrote:
  At http://www-
 03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/z900/glance.html I
  see this:
  
  Hardware models 
  General purpose models 101-109, 110-116, 210-216 
  Capacity models 1C1-1C9, 2C1-2C9
  
  However, I don't see a definition of Capacity models; nor do I see

  anything that would intuitively distinguish between a general
 purpose model and a capacity model, other than the C in the
 model number.
  
  Can somebody give me a clue what capacity model means?
  
  TIA,
  
  -jc-
  
 
 IIRC the Capacity models mean that they they are able to do
 capacity on 
 demand (COD) upgrades.  That is add a CPU on the fly without any 
 POR or 
 IPL.  Just call IBM, give them your credit card number, some guy 
 sitting 
 someplace dials into the box enables one or more CP's, and you now 
 have 
 more capacity.

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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 3/24/2006 11:20:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

According to the following book, there are 3 lines in the z900  series.
The 101-109 have a book that contains 12 PUs, of which up to 9 can  be
normal processors (CP's).  Even though IBM doesn't spell it out  this
way, the 1C1 thru 1C9 and the 110-116 actually form a single line  or



But would you want an n-way Z900 or a Z9 n-way - zAAPS and  ZIIPs?

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Re: How to marry subsystem and dynamic allocation

2006-03-24 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:06:50 -0600, Victor Gil wrote:

David, I am not longer a fan of any smart hooks into MVS services
[certainly not into OPEN or SVC 99 logic] mainly because of the potential
issues with code maintenance. [Although I have to admit, 25 years ago it
was fun to take over DOS 3.x by coding your own $$B-transient module that
would merely change the new PSW address for, say, Program Interruptions, to
an address passed on the call and then just execute the $$B-module was it
through SVC 2? from your problem state routine and divide something by
zero].  And field-level encryption, again, requires massive changes to the
applications.

TomW, Buying a product that allows to add SUBSYS= to a given DD would be
difficult to justify, but I'd love to learn what MVS services it uses to
perform its magic in the case of a dynamic allocation.

(see below)

TomS, I know very little about BatchPipes, but from your description they
don't sound any better than the subsystem approach in terms of the issue
with dynamic allocation.  As to your question - the confidential fields
[like the social security number] would be returned scrambled. Obviuosly
they won't participate in any arithmetic computation, nor can they serve as
the keys to further locate any associated data.

If you just want to force a SUBSYS=(blah,blah) onto associated DD
statements you can use JES2 Exit 6 to do that.  You might be able to use an
SMF exit for it, too, but I've had better results with exit 6 personally.

If you want to force a SUBSYS=(blah,blah) onto associated DYNALLOC you can
use exit IEFDB401, as documented in System Exits.

If it were me, I'd code a common routine with exit-specific wrappers.

What BatchPipes buys you is a supported subsystem to do what you want (and
a lot, lot more than that if you are looking for help justifying the
expense).  But if you are determined to write your own subsystem, knock
yourself out.  (It is fun.)

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Ron and Jenny Hawkins
Ed,

I don't understand your comment.

COPYMOD has always adjusted the size of text blocks to optimally fill the
track, so in actual fact 32760 for load libraries will sell less DASD, not
more.

Ron

 
 Sell that DASD?
 

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread willie bunter
Hi Eric,
   
  Thanks for getting back to me.  If you do have any info lying around I would 
be very happy to accept it.  You mention IMS files.  Did you use the vendor 
supplied utilities to transfer them?  I remember in 1993 I had a problem with 
IMS.  I used DFDSS to copy and restore (selective).  The job ran fine, but when 
I brought up CICS encountered abends.  Being under the gun, I performed a 
restore using the IMS utility.
   
  Was your system SMS managed? If not how did you handle the jcls having hard 
coded volsers?
   
  Also of great interest to me is how you moved the catalogs.  Can you jog your 
memory and let me know how you went about it?  Did you use a special sequence 
to do it, for example did you move the UCAT, then MCAT and last of all System 
Catalaog?
   
  I have posed quite a few questions and I implore your patience.
   
  Thanks

Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  When we converted 10 to 15 years ago, I just used FDR/DSF and DFDSS to 
copy data. You have to do the dataset copy, not the full volume dump 
copy. I also changed the naming convention of the volsers. I think it 
was something like PRD0nn to PRD3nn - the PRD0nn being the original 
3380K drives, the PRD3nn being 3390 Mod 3 drives. I copied much of the 
data during first shift, making sure that it was not in use. Most of 
the VSAM and IMS files which were always in use by CICS during the day 
were converted by doing the application backups and doing restores on 
the weekend. 

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


- Original Message -
From: willie bunter 
Date: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

 Hi,
 
 I was the originator of the post and I asked for help. 
 Somewhere down the line the thread got hi-jacked and the 
 discussion became one about contractors and the antagonism towards 
 them. I am very disappointed at the lack of professionalism. 
 
 Again, if someone out there has any tips or information 
 regarding 3380-3390 conversion please, please answer back.
 
 I apologise for my diatribe but I am desperate for help and 
 information.
 

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Re: How to marry subsystem and dynamic allocation

2006-03-24 Thread Walt Farrell

On 3/23/2006 3:12 PM, Gil, Victor x28091 wrote:

We'd like to be able to prevent certain confidential fields in production
files from being revealed to unauthorized users while still allowing
access to the rest of the record. From the users prospective these files are
read-only and are accessed through TSO, batch or CICS for testing or
comparison purposes.



Do your users access these files through specific applications?  If so, 
you could establish security rules that would allow the users to access 
the data only when running those specific programs, and not when running 
other programs of their own choosing.


With RACF, for example, we call that processing Program Access to Data 
Sets, and you set it up with a PERMIT command of the form
  PERMIT 'data set profile name' ID(user or group) WHEN(PROGRAM(program 
name)) ACCESS(READ)


You'll have some additional work to do in setting up the program 
controls, but this is the usual approach to problems like you describe, 
other than using a DBMS-based solution.



Walt Farrell, CISSP
z/OS Security Design, IBM

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Re: How to marry subsystem and dynamic allocation

2006-03-24 Thread Victor Gil
Walt,

The users:
- test their changes by running jobs against read-only production files
- view the files through CICS
- view the files through TSO
- run comparison jobs [both in Test and QA] against the files

The PERMIT-PROGRAM approach is how we envision to grant access through the
subsystem while disallowing direct reads.

Thanks a lot
-Victor-

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:46:06 -0500, Walt Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Do your users access these files through specific applications?  If so,
you could establish security rules that would allow the users to access
the data only when running those specific programs, and not when running
other programs of their own choosing.

With RACF, for example, we call that processing Program Access to Data
Sets, and you set it up with a PERMIT command of the form
   PERMIT 'data set profile name' ID(user or group) WHEN(PROGRAM(program
name)) ACCESS(READ)

You'll have some additional work to do in setting up the program
controls, but this is the usual approach to problems like you describe,
other than using a DBMS-based solution.


 Walt Farrell, CISSP
 z/OS Security Design, IBM

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Re: How to marry subsystem and dynamic allocation

2006-03-24 Thread Victor Gil
Tom,

Yes, it's supposed to be fun.
Thanks for the Batch Pipes tip, I'll take a look ...

-Victor-

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:56:06 -0600, Tom Schmidt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What BatchPipes buys you is a supported subsystem to do what you want (and
a lot, lot more than that if you are looking for help justifying the
expense).  But if you are determined to write your own subsystem, knock
yourself out.  (It is fun.)

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Gerhard Adam

I don't understand your comment.

COPYMOD has always adjusted the size of text blocks to optimally fill the
track, so in actual fact 32760 for load libraries will sell less DASD, not
more.



I don't understand the issue.  Load libraries have an undefined record 
format precisely because the majority of the records are significantly less 
than the block size.  In fact, the only thing that would ever be blocked to 
the maximum value would be the TXT records for a module.  Since a load 
module consists of other records besides TXT (which are all less than 256 
bytes in length), the traditional concept of a block size is practically 
meaningless when applied to load libraries.


Single CSECT load modules are almost never large enough to use the maximum 
(32760) since that would require 8 base registers, so the only load modules 
that would produce TXT large enough to take advantage of the maximum block 
size are those that consist of multiple bound modules.  Even then, the 
benefit would only come from a minimal savings on disk and a possible 
savings in fewer I/O's to load the module.  Since both of these are 
extremely difficult to quantify in the case of load libraries, it becomes 
largely academic what values are chosen.  IMHO I don't see a difference 
between 32760 and 6144, since the majority of the records are actually  256 
bytes.


Adam 


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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
 
 
In a message dated 3/24/2006 1:29:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Single CSECT load modules are almost never large enough to use the  maximum 
(32760) since that would require 8 base registers, so the only  load modules 
that would produce TXT large enough to take advantage of  the maximum block 
size are those that consist of multiple bound  modules.
There are many ways to produce a single CSECT of only one module that  uses 
only one base register at any one time.


Bill  Fairchild


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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Ed,

I don't want either one.   I'm trying to talk mgmt into getting me a
z890.  The original post was asking about the difference between the
z900 normal models and the capacity models.  I was just trying to
answer the questions that were posed.  

Rex



snip

In a message dated 3/24/2006 11:20:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

According to the following book, there are 3 lines in the z900  series.
The 101-109 have a book that contains 12 PUs, of which up to 9 can  be
normal processors (CP's).  Even though IBM doesn't spell it out  this
way, the 1C1 thru 1C9 and the 110-116 actually form a single line  or



But would you want an n-way Z900 or a Z9 n-way - zAAPS and  ZIIPs?

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VSAM file open/close

2006-03-24 Thread Jorge Arueira Campos
 Hil all

How I see if VSAM file are open or close ??? Have a tools in mainframe for
do it ???

Best regards

Jorge Arueira Campos

CAIXA ECONOMICA FEDERAL
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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Gerhard Adam
There are many ways to produce a single CSECT of only one module that
uses 
only one base register at any one time.


It begs the question, since the issue isn't whether it can be done, but
whether it would be considered a typical size for a load module.

Adam

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Re: VSAM file open/close

2006-03-24 Thread Stocker, Herman
1 way - in 3.4 list enter ISRDDN en next to the cluster
The're a number of programs around called WHOHAS that you can locate with a
goole search.

Regards,  Herman Stocker
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 Hil all

How I see if VSAM file are open or close ??? Have a tools in mainframe for
do it ???

Best regards

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Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Does anyone know of any companies that can convert mainframe tapes to 
DVDs or CDs?  As many of you know, our mainframe is going out the door 
at the end of April.  All of the historical data and otherwise tape 
data will then in essence be unreadable by us.  All of our tapes are 
currently 3490-E model tapes.  We are looking for a company who can 
read the data on a 3490E drive and convert it to ASCII and write it on 
a DVD or CD, or just FTP it to us.  This would be on an as needed 
basis, and may or may not be a lot of data.

You can reply to me or the group, or call me.  

Thanks,

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Re: VSAM file open/close

2006-03-24 Thread Larry Crilley
If you have a way to display ENQs (TASID, for example), just look for MAJOR
name of SYSDSN or SYSVSAM.  Minor name, enter cluster name.  If there is an
ENQ, then the file is OPEN.

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 Hil all

How I see if VSAM file are open or close ??? Have a tools in mainframe for
do it ???

Best regards

Jorge Arueira Campos

CAIXA ECONOMICA FEDERAL
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OMVS ROOT

2006-03-24 Thread ahmed sallam
Hello

i have questions, if u would answer:

The root file system is so large . the HFS has extended beyond the size10656000
1k blocks...it is a multifile extended to 9 volumes.

i want to reduced it..so i will use PAX with option M so that will not copy 
data 
from other data sets mounted at directries.only (omvs.root) which is mounted on 
(/) to be copied

our system is ZOS V1R4.PAX -M is valid with V1R7so what is the 
equivalent
in V1R4 

Thank You,

Ahmed
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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld
 
 Does anyone know of any companies that can convert mainframe 
 tapes to DVDs or CDs?  As many of you know, our mainframe is 
 going out the door at the end of April.  All of the 
 historical data and otherwise tape data will then in essence 
 be unreadable by us.  All of our tapes are currently 3490-E 
 model tapes.  We are looking for a company who can read the 
 data on a 3490E drive and convert it to ASCII and write it on 
 a DVD or CD, or just FTP it to us.  This would be on an as 
 needed basis, and may or may not be a lot of data.
 
 You can reply to me or the group, or call me.  

Is there too much data to just FTP it to an ASCII host in-house, then
save it whereever?

-jc-

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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
A little fun on this list, limited to Fridays, never hurt anyone.  Lighten
up gang.

This is the last I'm going to say on this (off-)topic.

I disagree.

And, darren has in the past.


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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
What will FTP do to any packed data in the datasets?

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 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld
 
 Does anyone know of any companies that can convert mainframe
 tapes to DVDs or CDs?  As many of you know, our mainframe is 
 going out the door at the end of April.  All of the 
 historical data and otherwise tape data will then in essence 
 be unreadable by us.  All of our tapes are currently 3490-E 
 model tapes.  We are looking for a company who can read the 
 data on a 3490E drive and convert it to ASCII and write it on 
 a DVD or CD, or just FTP it to us.  This would be on an as 
 needed basis, and may or may not be a lot of data.
 
 You can reply to me or the group, or call me.

Is there too much data to just FTP it to an ASCII host in-house, then
save it whereever?

-jc-

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:16 PM
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 Subject: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD
 
 
 Does anyone know of any companies that can convert mainframe tapes to 
 DVDs or CDs?  As many of you know, our mainframe is going out 
 the door 
 at the end of April.  All of the historical data and otherwise tape 
 data will then in essence be unreadable by us.  All of our tapes are 
 currently 3490-E model tapes.  We are looking for a company who can 
 read the data on a 3490E drive and convert it to ASCII and 
 write it on 
 a DVD or CD, or just FTP it to us.  This would be on an as needed 
 basis, and may or may not be a lot of data.
 
 You can reply to me or the group, or call me.  
 
 Thanks,
 
 Eric Bielefeld
 Sr. Systems Programmer

Eric,

If it were my company, I would suggest buying a SCSI attached 3490E
drive. You could then read the data yourself on almost any UNIX or PC
system. No, I don't know the cost.

As an aside, we addressed this possibility by getting an IBM
TotalStorage tape subsystem with 3592J drives. Both the zSeries and
distributed people use the same media. 

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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 3/24/2006 1:47:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

don't  want either one.   I'm trying to talk mgmt into getting me  a
z890.  The original post was asking about the difference between  the
z900 normal models and the capacity models.  I was just trying  to
answer the questions that were posed.  




Sorry, wasn't really directed at you, more of a rhetorical contemplation.  If 
you're not JAVA and not DB/2 then zAAPs and
zIIPs won't help much. Then one of the PFCSK's comes in and says
'oh by the way our new system is 100% JAVA didn't you know' and
what's a DDF?

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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Desi de la Garza
We all could use a little lightening up on a Friday..

T


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A little fun on this list, limited to Fridays, never hurt anyone.  
Lighten
up gang.

This is the last I'm going to say on this (off-)topic.

I disagree.

And, darren has in the past.


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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread McKown, John
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 What will FTP do to any packed data in the datasets?
 

BINARY is a define required for Packed Decimal. Otherwise results are
unpredictable when the data is used on the insert system here system.
The same is true in the unlikely possibility of any floating point data
(HFP or BFP, tho BFP would be easier to use.)

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Data could probably be FTP'd to us, depending on the sensitivity of the 
data.  I have no idea how often we would need tapes converted.  It 
might be 2 tapes over the next 5 years, no tapes, or 200 tapes.  We 
have about 18,000 tapes in our tape library, however lots of them are 
scratch, test data, etc.  

I know I researched this before, and found a company that would sell us 
a 3490 E model desktop sized drive, and some software that you could 
program to convert all of the packed and binary fields to something 
that a PC or Unix box could read.  I think that the whole package of 
tape drive and software was around $10,000.  Personally, I think that 
would be the best bet, but I'm not sure they want to spend that much 
for something that might never be used.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
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From: Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:24 pm
Subject: Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld
  
  Does anyone know of any companies that can convert mainframe 
  tapes to DVDs or CDs?  As many of you know, our mainframe is 
  going out the door at the end of April.  All of the 
  historical data and otherwise tape data will then in essence 
  be unreadable by us.  All of our tapes are currently 3490-E 
  model tapes.  We are looking for a company who can read the 
  data on a 3490E drive and convert it to ASCII and write it on 
  a DVD or CD, or just FTP it to us.  This would be on an as 
  needed basis, and may or may not be a lot of data.
  
  You can reply to me or the group, or call me.  
 
 Is there too much data to just FTP it to an ASCII host in-house, then
 save it whereever?
 
-jc-

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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
These machines have the same clock speed as the 101-109 line.

Actually, they don't.
A 101 is 235 MIPS-like entities.
A 1C1 is 250.


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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Ed,

No offense taken.  I just didn't read your post in the same manner as
you wrote it.  Must be a Friday thing.  g

Rex

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In a message dated 3/24/2006 1:47:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

don't  want either one.   I'm trying to talk mgmt into getting me  a
z890.  The original post was asking about the difference between  the
z900 normal models and the capacity models.  I was just trying  to
answer the questions that were posed.  




Sorry, wasn't really directed at you, more of a rhetorical
contemplation.  If 
you're not JAVA and not DB/2 then zAAPs and
zIIPs won't help much. Then one of the PFCSK's comes in and says 'oh by
the way our new system is 100% JAVA didn't you know' and what's a DDF?

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R.
 
 What will FTP do to any packed data in the datasets?

Standard answer:  It depends.

1.  If transferred as a plain ASCII transfer, packed decimal fields
will get corrupted.

2.  If transferred as a binary transfer, packed decimal fields are
preserved (indeed, the whole file remains EBCDIC).

Given Eric's description of the nature of the data, I'd probably do a
binary transfer and worry about translating it to ASCII (with
packed-decimal preservation/translation) when retrieving it on the ASCII
machine.

-jc-

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Re: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)

2006-03-24 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:54:27 -0600, Tim Hare [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Is this the correct place to ask about VTAM issues? We're trying to move a
Microsoft Host Integration Server from 802.2 connection to IP-DLC (AKA
Enterprise Extender). ...

There really is no good place for VTAM questions any more. Enterprise
Extender questions show up occassionally here and more regularly on the
TCP/IP Listserver list.  (And Chris Mason monitors both so you are in
good hands either place.)

Some of us on this list have Enterprise Extender experience, but I don't
about Microsoft Host Integration Server.  (I've never heard of it.)

Ask some specific questions and we'll try to answer.  The worst that can
happen is that you'll get completely wrong and potentially harmful
answers.

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
I saw that too, from Cheryl's list.  But if they don't, IBM's document
that I referred to is incorrect.  It says that both the 10x and the 1Cx
models have a 1.3 nanosecond cycle time and the 2Cx and 21x models have
a 1.09 nanosecond cycle time.  Maybe IBM did something different in
building the blocks or memory interleaving or something to get the
additional boost.  

Ideas, anybody?

Rex

snip

These machines have the same clock speed as the 101-109 line.

Actually, they don't.
A 101 is 235 MIPS-like entities.
A 1C1 is 250.


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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 3/24/2006 2:35:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

No  offense taken.  I just didn't read your post in the same manner as
you  wrote it.  Must be a Friday thing.   g




Seems like there ought to be sizing tool with stuff builtin instead
of give me all you've got and see if it works? Yeah it's  Friday...

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MVS LTO tape usage

2006-03-24 Thread Michael Wickman
We have been approached with the idea of converting our tape backups
from 3590 to LTO to get encryption for our off-site backups.  There are
claims by the vender that they interface with our DASD backup system and
TMS (CA-Disk and CA-1).  
 
I'm just started asking questions like What about stand-alone restore
as a recovery option?
 
Has anyone else looked into this or have any comments they would like
to share.
 
Thanks for time and responses.
 
Mike  



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Re: VTAM and MS Host Integrated Server IP-DLC (Enterprise Extender)

2006-03-24 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:39:36 -0600, Patrick O'Keefe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
There really is no good place for VTAM questions any more. ...

I should correct that. IBM runs a NewsGroup server with VTAM and APPN
newsgroups, with z/CS developers(and Cisco developers) monitoring them.
Very useful ... except that they are NewsGroups.

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Richards.Bob
Rex,
CIU = Customer Initiated Upgrade
Customer Initiated Upgrade (CIU) is the capability for the z990 (and I imagine 
a z900) user to initiate a permanent upgrade for CPs, ICFs, IFLs, zAAPs, and/or 
memory via the Web, using IBM Resource Link. CIU is similar to CUoD, but the 
capacity growth can be added by the customer. The customer also has the ability 
to unassign previously purchased CPs and IFLs processors via CIU.
CIU requires the CIU Enablement feature (FC 9898) installed.
Bob Richards
VP, Enterprise Technologist
Enterprise Technology Infrastructure
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Pommier, Rex R.
Sent:   Friday, March 24, 2006 12:20 PM
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Subject:Re: z900 Capacity Models?

According to the following book, there are 3 lines in the z900 series.
The 101-109 have a book that contains 12 PUs, of which up to 9 can be
normal processors (CP's).  Even though IBM doesn't spell it out this
way, the 1C1 thru 1C9 and the 110-116 actually form a single line or
processors, having a book that contains 20 PU's of which up to 16 can be
CP's.  These machines have the same clock speed as the 101-109 line.
The turbo line, which is the 2C1-2C9 and 210-216 models also have the 20
PU book, again with up to 16 MP's in the box.  The clock speed on this
line is faster than the other 2 lines (hence the turbo definition).
According to the book, any of the three lines can be upgraded within the
line by using CUoD or CIU (whatever that is).  

Based on the above, my guess is that the capacity models simply mean
they have the 20 PU book rather than the 12 PU book, thus allowing more
capacity within the same box without any kind of hardware upgrade.

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/refguides/pdf/g326
3092.pdf 
  
  
  
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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
That was the point I was inferring, that Eric asked for something that
would convert to ASCII.  Such a conversion via FTP would corrupt the
binary data.  Not converting it would preserve the binary/packed decimal
but wouldn't accomplish the ASCII conversion.  Eric's post stating the
possibility of getting a SCSI-attached 3490 tape and doing it in-house
looks to me like the best solution because they would have access
(hopefully) to the record layouts and so be able to preserve the data
without corruption.

Another option would be just hoping you don't need any of this data, and
if so, find a service bureau (or a friendly z-based shop) that would
contract to migrate data on an as-needed basis.

Rex

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Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:36 PM
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 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R.
 
 What will FTP do to any packed data in the datasets?

Standard answer:  It depends.

1.  If transferred as a plain ASCII transfer, packed decimal fields
will get corrupted.

2.  If transferred as a binary transfer, packed decimal fields are
preserved (indeed, the whole file remains EBCDIC).

Given Eric's description of the nature of the data, I'd probably do a
binary transfer and worry about translating it to ASCII (with
packed-decimal preservation/translation) when retrieving it on the ASCII
machine.

-jc-

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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Ted,

I don't expect a reply, as you said this was the last you were going to 
say, but this list has always gotten way off track on many topics.  
Friday off topic things are common.  I'm sure Darren agrees with you, 
but he rarely does anything about them.  

It doesn't take much to delete emails like this one by subject, so 
what's the big deal?  (Stir up the pot a little).

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


- Original Message -
From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: Friday Topic...
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

 
 This is the last I'm going to say on this (off-)topic.
 
 I disagree.
 
 And, darren has in the past.
 
 
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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Richards.Bob
I believe this has been answered before. However, the reason is because of what 
happens in the manufacturing of the chips. 

Some chips yield faster clocking results than the established minimum and 
maximum. The best of the maximums are set aside and, voila, you have a turbo 
model.  Those below the minimum used to be sold to HDS! (only kidding about 
that last part...I think)  grin

Bob 

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Pommier, Rex R.
Sent:   Friday, March 24, 2006 3:40 PM
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Subject:Re: z900 Capacity Models?

I saw that too, from Cheryl's list.  But if they don't, IBM's document
that I referred to is incorrect.  It says that both the 10x and the 1Cx
models have a 1.3 nanosecond cycle time and the 2Cx and 21x models have
a 1.09 nanosecond cycle time.  Maybe IBM did something different in
building the blocks or memory interleaving or something to get the
additional boost.  

Ideas, anybody? 
  
  
  
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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Rex and John,

I thought of that fact, that packed data wouldn't get translated 
correctly.  That's why I think the best solution would be to buy the 
tape drive and software, which would handle all of the data 
conversions.  I guess I won't have to worry about it though.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


- Original Message -
From: Pommier, Rex R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

 That was the point I was inferring, that Eric asked for something that
 would convert to ASCII.  Such a conversion via FTP would corrupt the
 binary data.  Not converting it would preserve the binary/packed 
 decimalbut wouldn't accomplish the ASCII conversion.  Eric's post 
 stating the
 possibility of getting a SCSI-attached 3490 tape and doing it in-house
 looks to me like the best solution because they would have access
 (hopefully) to the record layouts and so be able to preserve the data
 without corruption.
 
 Another option would be just hoping you don't need any of this 
 data, and
 if so, find a service bureau (or a friendly z-based shop) that would
 contract to migrate data on an as-needed basis.
 
 Rex
 
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Chase, John
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:36 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R.
  
  What will FTP do to any packed data in the datasets?
 
 Standard answer:  It depends.
 
 1.  If transferred as a plain ASCII transfer, packed decimal fields
 will get corrupted.
 
 2.  If transferred as a binary transfer, packed decimal fields are
 preserved (indeed, the whole file remains EBCDIC).
 
 Given Eric's description of the nature of the data, I'd probably 
 do a
 binary transfer and worry about translating it to ASCII (with
 packed-decimal preservation/translation) when retrieving it on the 
 ASCIImachine.
 
-jc-

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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I saw that too, from Cheryl's list.  But if they don't, IBM's document
that I referred to is incorrect.  It says that both the 10x and the 1Cx
models have a 1.3 nanosecond cycle time and the 2Cx and 21x models have
a 1.09 nanosecond cycle time. 

Cheryl's list comes from the LSPR data.
When IBM deigns to publish them as MIPS, the numbers are 235  250.
IBM explains it for the multi-engine models as there twice as many busses on 
the 1Cx, but that doesn't explain the 101 vs the 1C1, since there are no 
interprocessor busses.

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Re: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I didn't say I wouldn't reply off list,
but we are NON-paying guests, and he does own the list.
It does clutter up archive searches.

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-Original Message-
From: Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:46:39 
To:IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Friday Topic...

Ted,

I don't expect a reply, as you said this was the last you were going to 
say, but this list has always gotten way off track on many topics.  
Friday off topic things are common.  I'm sure Darren agrees with you, 
but he rarely does anything about them.  

It doesn't take much to delete emails like this one by subject, so 
what's the big deal?  (Stir up the pot a little).

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


- Original Message -
From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: Friday Topic...
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

 
 This is the last I'm going to say on this (off-)topic.
 
 I disagree.
 
 And, darren has in the past.
 
 
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Fw: Friday Topic...

2006-03-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Sorry, this was intended to go off list.

Now, I'll shut up, shutting up.

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-Original Message-
From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:54:13 
To:Mainframe Discussion List, IBM IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Friday Topic...

I didn't say I wouldn't reply off list,
but we are NON-paying guests, and he does own the list.
It does clutter up archive searches.

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-Original Message-
From: Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:46:39 
To:IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Friday Topic...

Ted,

I don't expect a reply, as you said this was the last you were going to 
say, but this list has always gotten way off track on many topics.  
Friday off topic things are common.  I'm sure Darren agrees with you, 
but he rarely does anything about them.  

It doesn't take much to delete emails like this one by subject, so 
what's the big deal?  (Stir up the pot a little).

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


- Original Message -
From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: Friday Topic...
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

 
 This is the last I'm going to say on this (off-)topic.
 
 I disagree.
 
 And, darren has in the past.
 
 
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Re: z900 Capacity Models?

2006-03-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Seems like there ought to be sizing tool with stuff builtin instead
of give me all you've got and see if it works?

Sorry, but it's always been that way for modelling tools.
You have to do a 'virtual' upgrade to see if it will work.

Try zPCR.
I used it when I was at IBM.
And, it's got the best price going.
You just have to take the online course first.

That's so (or so they believe) you'll learn how to interpret the results.
They've forgotton about the GIGO principle.
And, a 45-minute, non-interactive course is not going to dispell that.


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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread McKown, John
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 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 2:52 PM
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 Subject: Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD
 
 
 Rex and John,
 
 I thought of that fact, that packed data wouldn't get translated 
 correctly.  That's why I think the best solution would be to buy the 
 tape drive and software, which would handle all of the data 
 conversions.  I guess I won't have to worry about it though.
 
 Eric Bielefeld

That was the attitude that I was getting last year, when there was a
large push by the ex-CIO to convert all the zSeries applications to
Windows via automated code conversion techniques.  I knew if that
happened, I would be gone and it would not be my problem. But I had
plans to keep in contact with some people I know in the NOC. Assuming
that they were not too afraid to talk, I expected to get a lot of good
belly laughs. 

The new CIO appears to be platform agnostic. The biggest thing in his
basket is to convert from in house written applications to C.O.T.S.
(Commercial Off The Shelf) software.

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Re: MVS LTO tape usage

2006-03-24 Thread Brian Peterson
Apparently, IBM was/is planning to provide some support for this sort of
function under IBM's TotalStorage brand of products (which I believe
include both disk and tape).  Perhaps your friendly IBM representative
might be able to give your company some insight into IBM's future plans in
this area.

Brian

The following statement of direction was published in Hardware Announcement
105-241, dated July 27, 2005:
  IBM TotalStorage encryption: To address customers' growing concern with
data security, IBM is planning for the development, enhancement, and
support of encryption capabilities within storage environments such that
the capability does not require the use of host server resources (so
called outboard encryption capabilities). This includes the intent to
offer, among other things, capabilities for products within the IBM
TotalStorage portfolio to support outboard encryption and to leverage the
key management functions provided by the Integrated Cryptographic Services
Facility (ICSF).

Brian

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:43:59 -0600, Michael Wickman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

We have been approached with the idea of converting our tape backups
from 3590 to LTO to get encryption for our off-site backups.  There are
claims by the vender that they interface with our DASD backup system and
TMS (CA-Disk and CA-1).

I'm just started asking questions like What about stand-alone restore
as a recovery option?

Has anyone else looked into this or have any comments they would like
to share.

Thanks for time and responses.

Mike

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Gerhard Adam
Yes, but    While IBM has been preaching 32760 for loadlibs and
system-
determined blocksizes for other libraries, it has also been churning
out some Program Directories that have not been rewritten for decades,
with BLKSIZE=
6144 for loadlibs, 3200 for LRECL=80 datasets, etc.  And some people
are afraid to go against Program Directories, even when the info is
against the 
latest recommendations elsewhere; even when the info is obviously
obsolete.

Why should this be considered obsolete?  Why does anyone really care?
What is the supposed benefit of 32760 over 6144?

Adam

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RES: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Bodra - Pessoal
I did something similar in past using TCPIP Tools from Barnard Software to
read 3490 tape cartridge and write down contents directly to xSeries hard
disk. Then burn a data cd using Nero. 
I tested process inverted (read cd to hard disk, then read xSeries hard disk
using Barnard Software to a 3490 tape cartridge and no problems arises.
Since BSI software (www.bsiopti.com) uses some kind of compression, data in
HD and CD is encrypted.

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Pommier, Rex R.
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 24 de março de 2006 17:46
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Assunto: Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

That was the point I was inferring, that Eric asked for something that
would convert to ASCII.  Such a conversion via FTP would corrupt the
binary data.  Not converting it would preserve the binary/packed decimal
but wouldn't accomplish the ASCII conversion.  Eric's post stating the
possibility of getting a SCSI-attached 3490 tape and doing it in-house
looks to me like the best solution because they would have access
(hopefully) to the record layouts and so be able to preserve the data
without corruption.

Another option would be just hoping you don't need any of this data, and
if so, find a service bureau (or a friendly z-based shop) that would
contract to migrate data on an as-needed basis.

Rex

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 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R.
 
 What will FTP do to any packed data in the datasets?

Standard answer:  It depends.

1.  If transferred as a plain ASCII transfer, packed decimal fields
will get corrupted.

2.  If transferred as a binary transfer, packed decimal fields are
preserved (indeed, the whole file remains EBCDIC).

Given Eric's description of the nature of the data, I'd probably do a
binary transfer and worry about translating it to ASCII (with
packed-decimal preservation/translation) when retrieving it on the ASCII
machine.

-jc-

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Re: RES: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 3/24/2006 3:14:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

read  3490 tape cartridge and write down contents directly to xSeries hard
disk.  Then burn a data cd using Nero. 




Didn't it get monotonous after the first few  100?

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Willie,

I'll try to answer all of your questions. I'll do this one from the
listserve web site, as it doesn't time out like my Roadrunner Email account
does when I take a little too long to reply.  I found some of my old JCL,
so I'll cut and paste that for the catalog moves.

1.  I think all of the IMS files were moved using the application backup
software.  I think we use a product from BMC that does faster backups and
restores.  We changed all of the delete defines for all of the master
files, and the next time they were reorged, they would go to the 3390
volume.

2.  We have almost no SMS managed data.  As in 1 above, we changed the
delete defines, which then had the new volser hard coded.

3.  I don't remember how I moved the MCAT, but I think I built a new one,
and then just changed the catalog pointer in the LOAD00 member to point to
the new catalog.  We have very little volatility in our MCAT.

4.  The user catalogs were all done on the weekend just before or after the
IPL.  Here are 4 jobs I ran to move a single catalog.  I kept the name of
each UCAT the same, as that seemed simpler.  Here are the jobs:

//TSYS2001 JOB (6377,TSO,),'MOVE LIB CAT 1',
// NOTIFY=TSYS200,
// CLASS=4,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1)
//**
//*  MOVE LIB CAT JOB 1
//**
//MOVECAT  EXEC PGM=IDCAMS
//EXPDDDD  DSN=TSYS200.EXPORT.VLIB001,DISP=(NEW,CATLG),UNIT=TSO,
// SPACE=(CYL,(15,5),RLSE)
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD  *
  EXPORT SYS1.USERCAT.VLIB001  OUTFILE(EXPDD) TEMPORARY
/*
//TSYS2002 JOB (6377,TSO,),'MOVE LIB CAT 2',
// NOTIFY=TSYS200,
// CLASS=4,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1)
//**
//*  MOVE LIB CAT JOB 2
//**
//MOVECAT  EXEC PGM=IDCAMS
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD  *
  DELETE SYS1.USERCAT.VLIB001  RECOVERY USERCATALOG
/*
//TSYS2003 JOB (6377,TSO,),'LIBCAT DEFINE JOB 3 ',MSGCLASS=X,
// CLASS=2,NOTIFY=TSYS200
//*
//* LIB: IPO1.JCLLIB(ICFUCAT)
//* GDE: CBIPO MVS CUSTOMIZATION
//* DOC: DEFINE AN ICF USER CATALOG
//*
//DEFINE1 EXEC PGM=IDCAMS
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//VOL  DD  UNIT=3390,VOL=SER=LIB901,DISP=OLD
//SYSINDD  *
  DEFINE  USERCATALOG -
  (NAME(SYS1.USERCAT.VLIB001)   -
  CYLINDERS(20 5) -
  VOLUME(LIB901) -
  CONTROLINTERVALSIZE(4096)  -
  BUFND(4) -
  BUFNI(4) -
  STRNO(3) -
  NOIMBED -
  NOREPLICATE -
  FREESPACE(20 20) -
  RECORDSIZE(4086 32400) -
  ICFCATALOG  -
  FILE(VOL)) -
   CATALOG(SYS1.MCAT.VHSPCAT)
/*
//TSYS2004 JOB (6377,TSO,),'MOVE LIBCAT JOB 4',
// NOTIFY=TSYS200,
// CLASS=4,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1)
//**
//*  MOVE CAT JOB 4
//**
//MOVECAT  EXEC PGM=IDCAMS
//EXPDDDD  DSN=TSYS200.EXPORT.VLIB001,DISP=OLD
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD  *
  IMPORT INFILE(EXPDD) -
OUTDATASET(SYS1.USERCAT.VLIB001)   -
ALIAS UNLOCK INTOEMPTY
/*

I hope that helps.

Eric Bielefeld
PH Mining Equipment


On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:29:20 -0800, willie bunter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Hi Eric,

  Thanks for getting back to me.  If you do have any info lying around I
would be very happy to accept it.  You mention IMS files.  Did you use the
vendor supplied utilities to transfer them?  I remember in 1993 I had a
problem with IMS.  I used DFDSS to copy and restore (selective).  The job
ran fine, but when I brought up CICS encountered abends.  Being under the
gun, I performed a restore using the IMS utility.

  Was your system SMS managed? If not how did you handle the jcls having
hard coded volsers?
 sequence to do it, for example did you move the UCAT, then MCAT and last
of all System Catalaog?

  I have posed quite a few questions and I implore your patience.

  Thanks

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Ray Mullins
You might be able to use SOX and auditor requirements to convince them that
would be $10K well invested .

Sometimes demonstrating that having the capability just in case is good
enough to warrant the expenditure.

Later,
Ray

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 Data could probably be FTP'd to us, depending on the 
 sensitivity of the data.  I have no idea how often we would 
 need tapes converted.  It might be 2 tapes over the next 5 
 years, no tapes, or 200 tapes.  We have about 18,000 tapes in 
 our tape library, however lots of them are scratch, test data, etc.  
 
 I know I researched this before, and found a company that 
 would sell us a 3490 E model desktop sized drive, and some 
 software that you could program to convert all of the packed 
 and binary fields to something that a PC or Unix box could 
 read.  I think that the whole package of tape drive and 
 software was around $10,000.  Personally, I think that would 
 be the best bet, but I'm not sure they want to spend that 
 much for something that might never be used.
 

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Ray Mullins
Something else to think about...binary fields.

Coincidentally, on the Software AG NATURAL discussion board, there's been a
topic about migrating from BS2000/OSD to Unix and the various things to
watch out for.  One thing that came up was endian-ness.  Depending on the
software, it's possible that a fullword that is written on an IBM-compatible
mainframe as X'12345678' would be written on an Intel x86 box as X'78563412'
or, if written as 2 halfwords, X'34127856' (middle-endian).  And you can
have problems between *n*x boxen, as Sun's hardware is big-endian.  (Not
sure what the PowerPC is, but I think it's big-endian, too.)

(Non-mainframe NATURAL has an ENDIAN parameter to tweak this behavior.)

Later,
Ray

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 Rex and John,
 
 I thought of that fact, that packed data wouldn't get 
 translated correctly.  That's why I think the best solution 
 would be to buy the tape drive and software, which would 
 handle all of the data conversions.  I guess I won't have to 
 worry about it though.

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Ed Gould

On Mar 24, 2006, at 8:23 AM, John Eells wrote:




SNIP---
Also, to avoid RC4s from COPYMOD that would make a duly diligent  
sysprog from looking at (and up) messages that don't matter, always  
use PARM=SPCLCMOD with COPYMOD.



John,

Had not heard about that parm before. I looked it up and it was as  
clear as mud... (ok dark bear).


I got the gist of it and I guess that is all that is important.

Maybe the DFSMS people could use the help of some people can speak  
plain English.


Ed

To get back to the main thread, except for SAS and IDMS databases  
(and IDCAMS for the catalogs) I used DFDSS. The catalog issue was  
chiefly  the issue of I wanted to do it because of well political  
reasons (enough said on that). I created a new mastercat and ran the  
old catalog with the program from the IPO tape that reads it and  
creates IDCAMS define statements to be run through idcams. I did use  
a stepcat so that could be an issue. (Don't get me going on stepcats)


The whole process went reasonably smoothly. I was on (at that time)  
bleeding edge apars with DFDSS (no blood on me though). When all was  
said and done it went well.


Of course the manual effort up front was not small, calling all the  
vendors etc. Its been over 15 years (IIRC) and all the vendors have  
incorporated all the fixes by now.


Ed

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Steve Arnett

Ed Gould wrote:


On M
John,

Had not heard about that parm before. I looked it up and it was as  
clear as mud... (ok dark bear).




It is obviously Friday!  How much clearer is a light bear?

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
except for SAS

SAS went to strictly PS files with V6 (I think) and relative record/block 
access.
The issue from BDAM files disappeared in the conversion from 3380 to 3390, 
except for space.

Then they dropped support for BDAM in V8.

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Re: VSAM file open/close

2006-03-24 Thread Bruce Black


If you have a way to display ENQs (TASID, for example), just look for MAJOR
name of SYSDSN or SYSVSAM.  Minor name, enter cluster name.  If there is an
ENQ, then the file is OPEN.
not quite.  The SYSDSN ENQ shows that the cluster is allocated, but not 
necessarily open.


The SYSVSAM ENQ generally indicates that the cluster is open

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I'm pretty sure we don't encrypt any data.  Much of our backups are 
compressed, and done with vendor products, however, I don't think that 
matters, as all of the data in all of the IMS and VSAM files has been 
converted.  I think that only sequential disk or tape data would need 
to be converted.

So far, no one has givin me any companies that do this sort of thing.  
Does anyone know of any?  Of course, most of you hopefully have never 
had to deal with this sort of thing.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


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Subject: Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

 As others have mentioned, packed and binary fields could be fun.  Also
 consider if you plan to replicate any encrypted data or data in a
 proprietary vendor format that may not be readable without the vendor
 package.  

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Tim Hare
In batch, you could:

1. Use DFSORT/ICETOOL to read the files, convert binary/packed fields to 
human-readable (don't forget the sign!), and write it to a temporary  file 
which is passed to part 2

2. Use FTP with  PUT '//DD:ddname' somefilename  to write the temporary 
file to some FTP server.  EBCDIC = ASCII will happen automagically.

Depending upon how much space the file server has, you could potentially 
transfer all of the critical tape files first, and then burn CDs 
afterward. 

I'd use CA-1 or whatever tape management system you have,  with some 
reporting tool to determine the  sizes of the files to be moved, and also 
to weed out the ones which haven't been used in a long long time = we use 
SAS with the output of CA-1's TMSDATA utility for this kind of thing, but 
you can user other stuff.  You may find that you have a lot of very small 
files, and in fact 
may be able to fit a lot of them on one CD.

Another alternative would be to write the output of step 1 to USS 
diretories, then do an FTP 'Get' from them to the PC with the CD burner, 
but I assume management wouldn't want to allocate permanent space for the 
project?


Tim Hare
Senior Systems Programmer
Florida Department of Transportation

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Imbriale, Don
A search via Google for convert 3490e tape to cd yields thousands of
hits.  On the first page of 20 hits, there are at least a half a dozen
companies that provide the service you are looking for.  Even to the point
of converting binary and packed decimal fields as needed.  Note however
that these do not seem to be inexpensive services.

Don Imbriale

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:16:16 -0600, Eric Bielefeld Eric-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Does anyone know of any companies that can convert mainframe tapes to
DVDs or CDs?  As many of you know, our mainframe is going out the door
at the end of April.  All of the historical data and otherwise tape
data will then in essence be unreadable by us.  All of our tapes are
currently 3490-E model tapes.  We are looking for a company who can
read the data on a 3490E drive and convert it to ASCII and write it on
a DVD or CD, or just FTP it to us.  This would be on an as needed
basis, and may or may not be a lot of data.

You can reply to me or the group, or call me.

Thanks,

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
PH Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Re: z990 multiprocessor overhead issue.

2006-03-24 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 05:36 -0600, Patrick Loftus wrote:
 We seem to be experiencing noticeably less MIPS than expected on our z/OS
 LPARs, and it almost looks like the speciality engines (zAAP, IFL etc) are
 contributing to the multiproccesor overheads and reducing the CPU resource.

Hadn't thought about that. Would be surprised if IFLs got involved, but
I can imagine zAAPs (and zIIPs) might. They are exposed to the MVS
scheduler, and so would conceivably suffer the same interprocess
locking/spin issues. That's MP factor defined (o.k. just a *little*
simplistic).

Shane ...

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 3/24/2006 4:27:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So far,  no one has givin me any companies that do this sort of thing.  
Does  anyone know of any?  Of course, most of you hopefully have never 
had  to deal with this sort of thing.



The banks use FILETEK there's others. You might could do it on the
cheap with used or short term lease. Maybe $250k would get you
started.

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Re: VSAM file open/close

2006-03-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
The SYSVSAM ENQ generally indicates that the cluster is open

In general, don't ENQ's only show up if there is contention?

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Re: z990 multiprocessor overhead issue.

2006-03-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Hadn't thought about that. Would be surprised if IFLs got involved, but
I can imagine zAAPs (and zIIPs) might. They are exposed to the MVS
scheduler, and so would conceivably suffer the same interprocess
locking/spin issues.

I think it's more than lock/spin.
What about just making the decision to move it to a zIIP, zAAP, or zOWIE?

Especially for short transactions?

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Re: VSAM file open/close

2006-03-24 Thread Kirk Talman
For option 2 of TASID that is correct.

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 03/23/2006 
07:00:00 PM:

 The SYSVSAM ENQ generally indicates that the cluster is open
 
 In general, don't ENQ's only show up if there is contention?



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Re: z990 multiprocessor overhead issue.

2006-03-24 Thread Richards.Bob
With the CPs being pooled, I doubt the specialties draw down the MIP MP 
effect. They might chew some quick cycles, but they should not impact MIP 
capacity like additional general purpose CPs would.

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On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 00:00 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
 Hadn't thought about that. Would be surprised if IFLs got involved, but
 I can imagine zAAPs (and zIIPs) might. They are exposed to the MVS
 scheduler, and so would conceivably suffer the same interprocess
 locking/spin issues.
 
 I think it's more than lock/spin.
 What about just making the decision to move it to a zIIP, zAAP, or zOWIE?
 
 Especially for short transactions?

Guess I should have said inter-processor.
Looks like we've interpreted the initial post differently. I was
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Re: VSAM file open/close

2006-03-24 Thread Ray Mullins
Well, you notice them when there is contention.  :-)  

But ENQs are issued all the time, and they can be found using products like
OMEGAMON, etc., or you can run the ENQ chains yourself. 

Later,
Ray

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 The SYSVSAM ENQ generally indicates that the cluster is open
 
 In general, don't ENQ's only show up if there is contention?

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Re: ESTAE-underTSO question

2006-03-24 Thread Chris Craddock
 I have a program with an ESTAE that gets control and issues a
 SDUMP.  This works fine when submitted as a batch job, as the
 program is in an authorized library.

 When invoking the same program from a TSO REXX EXEC, the SDUMP in the
 ESTAE fails with a S133 abend indicating 'An unauthorized
 program requested an SVC dump.'

 Is there a way to determine from the SDWA if authorization exists to
 issue a SDUMP macro?

The most mindlessly simple way is to check the key of the SDWA. If you are
running in an authorized environment the SDWA will always be in key zero.

Otherwise it will be in the key that was current when the ESTAE was set -
usually the same as the task key. No muss, no fuss.

CC

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Ed Gould

On Mar 24, 2006, at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:


except for SAS


SAS went to strictly PS files with V6 (I think) and relative record/ 
block access.
The issue from BDAM files disappeared in the conversion from 3380  
to 3390, except for space.


Then they dropped support for BDAM in V8.

-
-teD


Ted,

Thanks... Of course this happened a long time ago before SAS converted.

Ed

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Re: 3380-3390 Conversion - DISAPPOINTMENT

2006-03-24 Thread Ed Gould

On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:57 PM, Steve Arnett wrote:


Ed Gould wrote:


On M
John,

Had not heard about that parm before. I looked it up and it was  
as  clear as mud... (ok dark bear).




It is obviously Friday!  How much clearer is a light bear?


Enough to see a face on the other side of the mug:)

Ed



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CICS down after transaction exec wait macro.

2006-03-24 Thread Jorge Arueira Campos
Hi all

A test of transaction(SUPX) under CICS V2.2.0, in instructions wait coded
below, down the CICS.

289  WAIT  5,ECBLIST=LISTECBS
290+*MACDATE  10/20/88
292+ LA0,5(0,0)LOAD PARAMETER REG 0
294+ LA1,LISTECBSLOAD PARAMETER R
295+ LCR   1,1 INDICATE ECBLIST USED
296+ SVC   1   LINK TO WAIT ROUTINE

LISTECBS DSA
  DCX'80',AL3(WAITECB)
 WAITECB  DCF'0'
The cicslog:

+DFHXM0212 A23CICSF Transaction SUPX has been attached with unknown
tranclass CLASSE03
+DFHSR0606 A23CICSF Abend (code 201/AKEB) has been
detected.
+DFHME0116 A23CICSF
273
 (Module:DFHMEME) CICS symptom string for message DFHSR0606
is
 PIDS/5697E9300 LVLS/620 MS/DFHSR0606 RIDS/DFHSRP
PTFS/UQ83467
 AB/S0201
AB/UAKEB
+DFHDU0205 A23CICSF A SYSTEM DUMP FOR DUMPCODE: SR0606  , WAS SUPPRESSED BY
THE

OPTION
BPXP018I THREAD 118FE002, IN PROCESS 50331718, ENDED
280
WITHOUT BEING UNDUBBED WITH COMPLETION CODE
0033E000,
AND REASON CODE
.
BPXP018I THREAD 118F9201, IN PROCESS 50331718, ENDED
282
WITHOUT BEING UNDUBBED WITH COMPLETION CODE
0033E000,
AND REASON CODE
.
+DFHDU0303I A23CICSF Transaction Dump Data set DFHDMPA
closed.
+DFHKE1800 A23CICSF ABNORMAL TERMINATION OF CICS IS
COMPLETE.
IEF450I CICSFA CICSFA - ABEND=S000 U1800 REASON=  341
TIME=18.28.40
IEF404I CICSFA - ENDED - TIME=18.28.41
IEF352I ADDRESS SPACE UNAVAILABLE
$HASP395 CICSFA   ENDED

I don't know what happened in cics region. Anybody have a information of PTF
or APAR related with this problem, macro WAIT of SYS1.MACLIB  executed under
CICS 220 ???

Thanks

Jorge Arueira Campos

CAIXA ECONOMICA FEDERAL - SP - BRAZIL

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Re: Convert 3490E Tapes to CD or DVD

2006-03-24 Thread Ed Gould

On Mar 24, 2006, at 4:26 PM, Eric Bielefeld wrote:


I'm pretty sure we don't encrypt any data.  Much of our backups are
compressed, and done with vendor products, however, I don't think that
matters, as all of the data in all of the IMS and VSAM files has been
converted.  I think that only sequential disk or tape data would need
to be converted.

So far, no one has givin me any companies that do this sort of thing.
Does anyone know of any?  Of course, most of you hopefully have never
had to deal with this sort of thing.



Eric,

I have not heard of any MF application that does field level  
security except for possibly DB2. This is not to say their isn't just  
that it is unusual, IMO. There may be some user code in CICS that  
selectively displays a field (or not) but that seems to be a  
transaction type security . There are just too many ways you can  
access a file that is one of the reasons why people need RACF (or  
other security package).


Way back in the early 70's  I had to have a top secret clearance from  
the Army so I could help programmers debug their code. One of the   
dumps I had to look at had the number of toilet paper rolls that was  
in stock. I asked the programmer why that was top secret and he said  
the SOviets could figure out how many people the US had in Germany. I  
suggested to go through parking lots and count the green plates and  
you would have a better idea.


There were other nonsensical issues, but you get the idea.

Ed
 


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