Inside A U.S. Election Vote Counting Program
By Bev Harris*
* Bev Harris is the Author of the soon to be published book Black Box
Voting: Ballot Tampering In The 21st Century
http://www.blackboxvoting.com
A Diebold touchscreen voting machine
Makers of the walk right in, sit right down,
http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm
Robotic Nation
by Marshall Brain
I went to McDonald's this weekend with the kids. We go to McDonald's to
eat about once a week because it is a mile from the house and has an
indoor play area. Our normal routine is to walk in to McDonald's, stand
in
At 06:19 PM 7/24/2003 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As will hardly surprise anyone, I could not possibly disagree more. By this
logic, the Supreme Court should not have decided as it did in Brown vs
Board of
Education. If it were left up to states, there would still be legal
discrimination in
At 01:38 AM 7/25/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote:
Then again, CA
Dems aren't coming across as geniuses in general these days. Did you
see the report yesterday about the CA state legislators (Dems again) who
were caught on tape suggesting that the state's fiscal crisis be
extended over time for
At 01:44 PM 7/25/2003 -0400 Bryon Daly wrote:
FYI, I'd love to see married and female priests, and yes, even a female
pope. Note I didn't mention homosexual priests, because it's unnecessary
as I already have seen them - there's quite a lot. I heard a seminarian
state that gays far outnumber
At 03:11 PM 7/24/2003 -0500 Horn, John wrote:
I don't know. It is a scary proposition. We cannot defeat every terrorist
in the world.
We cannot? Then why is it that suicide bombing is almost unheard of
almost everywhere in the world? It doesn't strike me that this problem is
necessarily
At 01:08 AM 7/25/2003 -0400 David Hobby wrote:
Why do you think that Osama bin Laden objects to the
same things about American foreign policy that you do?
That's not a fair tactic in an argument.
Actually, I think that it is the most salient thing that Gautam has had to
say in this
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bryon wrote:
I think it'd be more fun
to mount a jumbo AC fan on the side... :-)
As long as either your hard drive or you fan motor are magnetically
shielded
well enough... :-)
I have two computers that get used most frequently. One is a
On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 11:50 AM, The Fool wrote:
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The left is defunct only if we remain forever in a
state of total war. And
that's precisely why a vaguely defined, open-ended
war on terrorism that
suspends
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What's a homemaker worth? The shocking truth
The value of a stay-at-home spouse is priceless in many ways, but don't kid
yourself: In economic terms, running a household is worth far less than
we've been told.
By Liz Pulliam
Well Brin-L is down, so I'm cleaning out a few old threads
At 11:30 AM 6/8/2003 -0700 Jan Coffey wrote:
Speaking of eye candy, anyone notice the distinct lack of hot women?
What, Carrie Ann Moss isn't hot in your book?
I'm guessing that you somehow didn't like Natalie Portman in Star Wars
At 01:50 PM 5/21/2003 -0700 Chad Cooper wrote:
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/index.html
Very Cool! Tells it like it is...
My score:
Economic Left/Right: 5.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.13
My scores were +3.75 and +0.15.
It would be interesting to see someone graph all of
At 08:09 PM 6/7/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Using humans or any other animal as an energy source is of course foolish
Wouldn't humans be a very efficient source of computing power?
Or maybe consciousness has some QM properties the machines simply can't
duplicate.
JDG
At 01:23 PM 7/24/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/technology/24VOTE.html?ex=1059710400en=
d989a69c518293a6ei=5062partner=GOOGLE
Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say By JOHN SCHWARTZ
Wouldn't a fail-safe answer be to have each computer terminal print a
PLANETARY SATELLITES NAMED
At the 25th General Assembly of the International Astronomical Union, held
from July 13-26 in Sydney, Australia, the Working Group for Planetary
System Nomenclature announced the names of two dozen planetary satellites
discovered since 2000. On the list were 11 Jovian
At 06:29 PM 7/23/2003 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm glad
Saddam is gone, and if that was Bush's motive for the invasion - WHY THE
HELL
DIDN'T HE SIMPLY COME OUT AND SAY SO instead of building such a flimsy
case that
Saddam had WMD
Because people like you would have opposed the war for tha
At 11:22 PM 7/25/03 -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 08:09 AM 7/21/2003 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote:
Perhaps we are at war, but under that definition, I'm having a very hard
time imagining that we will ever NOT be at war. We are not going to remove
evil from the world, I'm quite sure.
Some likely
At 10:55 PM 7/25/03 -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: TI interpreation of QM
I wrote:
I'd love to see your opinion of it
when you get a chance. It's called
At 09:24 AM 7/25/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 01:02:00PM +, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
From what I have heard, US interrogators are contemptuous of old
fashioned torture since almost everyone who knows anything will die
first.
Really? I have heard many people claim
At 08:22 AM 7/26/03 -0500, The Fool wrote:
http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm
Robotic Nation
by Marshall Brain
[snip]
The arrival of humanoid robots should be a cause for celebration. With
the robots doing most of the work, it should be possible for everyone to
go on perpetual
At 03:36 PM 7/26/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bryon wrote:
I think it'd be more fun
to mount a jumbo AC fan on the side... :-)
As long as either your hard drive or you fan motor are magnetically
shielded
well enough... :-)
I have two computers
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 06:04:49AM -, pencimen wrote:
How about Dustin Hoffman getting holes drilled in his teeth in
Marathon Man?
I had forgotten about that one. Did he talk? I think he didn't know
anything, right?
--
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 08:05:07PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
Exactly. The point being that Erik is being wholly unproductive,
uncivil, and unapologetic for equating prejudice against bigots with
prejudice against Catholics and homosexuals.
Actually, you were the one who just equated
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 02:17:56PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
I am solidly opposed to women priests,
That is unnatural! There should be a Constitutional amendment banning
such aberrant views!
--
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/
Wow ... I zoomed through all the views and was amazed...
Regards
Armin
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Reply To: Killer Bs Discussion
Sent: Donnerstag, 24. Juli 2003 21:53
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Subject: link:
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 03:36:28PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
Water cooled is definaly a possible first step. Anyone have any other
ideas for keeping the video card cool? Anyone know of a 450W power
supply with a quiet fan?
I think the ultimate in quiet and powerful would be to build a
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 04:51:55AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
So what jobs will still be performed by humans in a robotic nation?
I think a more useful question is, what will still be scarce in a robot
economy?
Well, I think the article probably overestimates the progression
of computer
I would propose Irfanview, which has a nice Batch Process utility and is
freeware for private use (I use it for my shkrinking of images for the
website)...
Regards
Armin
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From: Ronn!Blankenship[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply To: Killer Bs Discussion
Sent:
I would agree, if I thought you were saying that the government should never
be entirely, or even mostly, in the hands of the Left. I'd say the same
about the Right. It seems quite clear to me that diversity and criticism
(of the positive kind) have been proven to be the most effective means of
While there is an element of hysteria in this article, I too find the American
fascination with automating *everything* disturbing. However, I find it disturbing
for an additional reason.
First off, I agree that it seems that no one has really thought this automation thing
through. I still
I tried to play the MOD files in my WinAmp 2.81 and I'm not sure if all
sounds are as they should be but I heard some songs... Sounded rather
synthetic but that's probably as designed?
Regards
Armin
--
From: Jim Sharkey[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply To: Killer Bs
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 06:04:49AM -, pencimen wrote:
How about Dustin Hoffman getting holes drilled in his teeth in
Marathon Man?
I had forgotten about that one. Did he talk? I think he didn't know
anything, right?
No, he was completely in the dark.
Doug
Armin Freiberg wrote:
I tried to play the MOD files in my WinAmp 2.81 and I'm not sure if
all sounds are as they should be but I heard some songs... Sounded
rather synthetic but that's probably as designed?
Yeah, that's how they are supposed to sound. I actually got the MOD player up and
On 25 Jul 2003 at 22:10, Jim Sharkey wrote:
Bryon Daly wrote:
http://home.comcast.net/~bryon.daly/M4win240.zip
http://home.comcast.net/~bryon.daly/SC2_MODS.ZIP
The installer for M4win20 doesn't seem to be working. Any
suggestions?
I'm guessing that's Mod4Win referenced there. Working
On 27 Jul 2003 at 17:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I tried to play the MOD files in my WinAmp 2.81 and I'm not sure if
all sounds are as they should be but I heard some songs... Sounded
rather synthetic but that's probably as designed?
WinAmp is an awful MOD player. But basically think of a
- Original Message -
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: TI interpreation of QM
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From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday,
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 01:23 PM 7/24/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/technology/24VOTE.html?ex=1059710400en
=
d989a69c518293a6ei=5062partner=GOOGLE
Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say By JOHN SCHWARTZ
Wouldn't a fail-safe
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/materials-03w.html
Space elevators have an image problem, mainly due to two prominent science
fiction novels. They appear either ungainly impossible, or so potentially
dangerous to the planet itself you would never dream of building one. With
the science now
At 11:07 AM 7/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 01:23 PM 7/24/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/technology/24VOTE.html?ex=1059710400en
=
d989a69c518293a6ei=5062partner=GOOGLE
Computer Voting Is Open to Easy Fraud, Experts Say By
At 07:51 AM 7/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of pencimen
...
Enron _and_ the Bush administration.
Or is that what you meant?
Sort of. Except that there's some superset that they're both part of, which
I dare not
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Kevin Tarr
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:40 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct
At 02:13 PM 7/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:
At 01:38 AM 7/25/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote:
Then
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:brin-l-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Tarr
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 1:49 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct
At 07:51 AM 7/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Insurance coverage takes a holiday
If you doubt the veracity of all this, just try to buy life or disability
insurance on a stay-at-home spouse.
We did.
Dan could get life insurance for me fairly cheaply through his job. So
he did. I'm not sure what I'm insured for,
John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 01:08 AM 7/25/2003 -0400 David Hobby wrote:
Why do you think that Osama bin Laden objects to the
same things about American foreign policy that you do?
That's not a fair tactic in an argument.
Actually, I think that it is the most salient thing that
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 03:28:08PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
If we clean up our act, public opinion there will change. When it
does, most of the support for Al Qaeda will dry up.
That's an interesting fantasy world you are describing.
--
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is 100 degrees outside.
What else is there to do but sit at the computer and have the TV on.
I did not know what the movie A Murder of Crows was about.
Spoiler
-yawn-
After the talk on this list.well,...
.as soon as Cuba's character put his name to a novel
he didn't write,
A more accurate assessment seems to be that Enron used exorbitant,
unfair fees to blackmail California consumers and threatened to withhold
power if they weren't paid.
From an article in the SF Chronicle, quoted on corpwatch.org:
http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=2530
Jon
Right,
David Hobby wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
David Hobby wrote:
The above would have been easier to state if we had general kinship
terms based on degrees of genetic relatedness. Sibling, parent and
child are all halves. Grandparent, grandchild, aunt, uncle, niece,
nephew,
The Fool wrote:
http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm
Robotic Nation
by Marshall Brain
great snippage
The Vision Thing
One of the key capabilities limiting robotic expansion at the moment is
image processing -- the ability of robots to look at a scene like a human
does and
Jim Sharkey wrote:
This may tag me as some kind of Luddite, but I find it appalling that
people can't wait to excise as much human contact from their lives as
possible. I know people that would rather eat nails than actually
have to go to the bank for three whole minutes. No one's time is
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 03:51:27PM -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote:
2) You condone a law that would prevent 62 million American citizens
from being able to get married and have children? How ironic.
Apparently you only support freedom of speech, not freedom of thought
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From: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Seth Finkelstein on 16 words
No. We are dealing with a pathological minority, backed
up by a large sector of public opinion in the
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Kevin Tarr
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: RE: Gray Davis Recall Election Set for Sep-Oct
A more accurate assessment seems to be that Enron used exorbitant,
unfair fees to blackmail
John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 02:32 PM 7/25/2003 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
You just insulted all bigots while trying to insult me!
Personally, I'm prejudiced against bigots.
Exactly. The point being that Erik is being wholly unproductive, uncivil,
and unapologetic
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 07:52 AM 7/24/2003 -0700 Nick Arnett wrote:
Setting aside sarcasm now... I think that you may be mistake in
*expecting*
the left to come up with a coherent war plan against terrorism.
I think that's Gautam's point. If, as you seem to agree, the
In a message dated 7/24/2003 11:43:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Didn't they used to duel on the floors of Congress?
Sounds like classic ingomious political chicanery to me.
Sounds more like republican arrogance to me. Now the perpetrator (chairman of the
House
In a message dated 7/24/2003 11:47:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
If your criticism is that Bush said learned instead of informed us that
they believe, then who is being pedantic and mincing words
here?
The criticsm is that this is a weasally way of saying something
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 04:06:42PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
Wow! That's quite a list!
Now, who *should* be allowed to reproduce, in your opinion?
Did I miss someone?
And what happens if someone reproduces and *then* gets an SUV
They have a choice: SUV or junior? Could be a tough
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 03:59:52PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
How much progress has been made on the visual processing problem in
the last 20 years? What is the current rate of progress? How many
people are working on this?
I can't answer most of this, but I do know that computer vision
In a message dated 7/25/2003 1:08:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Uh, didja forget? Gore *did* win -- the vote, anyway.
Just not the office
that usually goes with it.
I am not one who thinks that Gore won. The popular vote does not determine the final
result and
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Robert Seeberger
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Listref] Space Elevators Maybe Closer To Reality Than
Imagined
John Garcia wrote:
On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 11:50 AM, The Fool wrote:
Friday browncoat republicans in the house of representatives called the
police to arrest and remove democratic representatives from a library
in
the house of representatives. The future is here and now.
That would have been #1 on my list . . .
Here's the address for info and to find out how to download it:
http://www.irfanview.com/
The function we are describing is found under Image | Resize/Resample.
At 04:08 PM 7/27/03 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would propose Irfanview, which has a
On 27 Jul 2003 at 15:59, Julia Thompson wrote:
Also, how much longer will Moore's Law hold? It gets to where part of
what's making things faster is that the size of components on a chip
are shrinking; there's some finite limit to that beyond which
shrinking is impossible. Then we have to
At 11:24 AM 7/27/03 -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote:
While there is an element of hysteria in this article, I too find the
American fascination with automating *everything* disturbing. However, I
find it disturbing for an additional reason.
First off, I agree that it seems that no one has really
At 07:51 AM 7/25/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of pencimen
...
Enron _and_ the Bush administration.
Or is that what you meant?
Sort of. Except that there's some superset that they're both part of, which
I
In a message dated 7/25/2003 8:54:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Eh, probably not. I have an almost reflexive need to point out the
truth - and ultimately I consider this growing urban legend that the USSC
somehow changed the outcome of the 2000 election to
In a message dated 7/25/2003 9:09:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
The fact that a Committee Chairman in the House is making
that tradeoff in a way that the minority disagrees with is hardly new.
Thus, I know that I am not a hypocrite, as you accuse, because Democratic
In a message dated 7/25/2003 9:28:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I think that's Gautam's point. If, as you seem to agree, the Left is
simply incapable of coming up with a coherent war plan against terrorism,
then the Left is inherently unqualified and unworthy to
In a message dated 7/25/2003 10:22:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
1) The establishment of a secure, viable and independent Palestine
alongside Israel.
2) Regime change in Iran, Syria, Lybia, Saudi Arabia,
Egypt, and the DPRK
We would then be at war for at least a
QUESTION 1) The British inform us that they have learned that Iraq has
recently tried to acquire significant quantities of intelligence in Africa.
The Bush Administration naturally tries to verify this claim, but cannot
do so. They tell the British that we can't verify their claim.
QUESTION 1) The British inform us that they have learned that Iraq has
recently tried to acquire significant quantities of intelligence in Africa.
The Bush Administration naturally tries to verify this claim, but cannot
do so. They tell the British that we can't verify their claim.
At 04:48 PM 7/27/2003 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote:
I'd have to agree with John here. There's a definite difference in
degree, if not kind, between trying to have someone arrested and
actually inflicting that kind of bodily damage.
And its unclear that arrest is even the proper word to describe
At 05:43 PM 7/27/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We do not know the result of a popular vote in which every vote would count.
Under those outlandish circumstances (each individual's vote counts the same
regardless of where it was cast) Bush might have gone after votes in
populous
states
At 06:33 PM 7/27/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if the republicans in congress would have really elected bush
if a recount of the vote in florida showed that Gore had won by a few
thousand
votes.
You can wonder all you want - except that we now know that no such result
would have
At 06:40 PM 7/27/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Uhhh because finding WMD's was considered a very nice way of deterring
criticism of the war?
so in your mind it is ok to use WMD to deter criticsm even if the threat
of WMD (at least nuclear) was unsubstantiated.
Good grief, you
In a message dated 7/27/2003 5:48:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Not to say that the Republicans look all that good in this, but it could
have been worse. (And then the backlash would have been
that much more,
as well.)
Worse in what way in 21st Century USA? Had
At 06:49 PM 7/27/2003 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
QUESTION 1) The British inform us that they have learned that Iraq has
recently tried to acquire significant quantities of intelligence in Africa.
The Bush Administration naturally tries to verify this claim, but cannot
do so. They
At 03:14 PM 7/27/2003 -0600 Michael Harney wrote:
The war on Iraq wasn't about liberating Iraq, it wasn't about weapons of
mass destruction or terrorism. It was entirely politically motivated. The
republicans saw their approval failing after Osama Bin Laden evaded capture,
and, wanting some sort
At 02:32 PM 7/25/2003 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
You just insulted all bigots while trying to insult me!
Personally, I'm prejudiced against bigots.
Exactly. The point being that Erik is being wholly unproductive, uncivil,
and unapologetic for equating prejudice
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 07:34:35PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
In that case, I think that I got Erik's post (both the cheeky and the
serious content) better than you did.
No, you did not, JDG, based on your earlier comment which was exactly
opposite.
--
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 03:36 PM 7/26/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bryon wrote:
I think it'd be more fun
to mount a jumbo AC fan on the side... :-)
As long as either your hard drive or you fan motor are
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 03:36:28PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote:
Water cooled is definaly a possible first step. Anyone have any other
ideas for keeping the video card cool? Anyone know of a 450W power
supply with a quiet fan?
I think the ultimate
Erik wrote-
Really? I have heard many people claim that everybody talks when
tortured. In the movies, the tortures that are applied seem so tame
and unimaginative. Perhaps I have an unusually sadistic imagination,
but I can imagine tortures that I don't think anyone could possibly
endure without
Jon Gabriel wrote:
No, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission under the Bush
administration tried to stop California from fighting Enron with price
caps and we can safely assume that this was in part because Enron was
lobbying the Bush administration to do so as reported in AP:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So it really depends on who the left is. If you
are talking about moderate democrats and liberals,
their plan would have been much the same as Bush's
sans the alienation of the rest of the world and the
war on Iraq this year (maybe not; Some in Clinton's
white
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We would then be at war for at least a decade. Does
that mean we can't criticize bush or the gop for
that long? Golly
Which, of course, no one is saying, except those
making indefensible criticisms and they trying to hide
their partisan motivations behind a
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 03:14 PM 7/27/2003 -0600 Michael Harney wrote:
The war on Iraq wasn't about liberating Iraq, it wasn't about weapons of
mass destruction or terrorism. It was entirely politically motivated.
The
republicans saw their approval failing after Osama
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm glad you brought this up, Michael, because the
answer is between
100,000 and 200,000.Meanwhile, according to
UNICEF, Saddam Hussein was
kiilling around 5,000 people a day. Of course,
the Left only cares
about people killed by
Erik wrote-
I think the article asks a good question, which is how the economy
can be modified to deal with these sorts of things.
I think one of the deficits of this article is the potential population
decline in the future. If you look at the trend of lack of
replacement rate in many
Julia Thompson wrote:
Actually, *my* point was I thought that Erik was being a bit cheeky, and
I was trying to be cheeky right back at him. I think Erik got my post
better than you did.
I can't remember seeing such obvious sarcasm whoosh over people's heads
the way Erik's comments did.
Doug
Jan Coffey wrote:
He then tried to build a a water cooler for it with a fishtank pump. The pump
wonder ful design, supper neat to watch it go, but the pump was louder than
the industrial fan.
There are plenty of specifically designed watercooling systems designed
for overclocked PCs, which just
Dan Minette wrote:
But doesn't the randomness of evolution begin to recede once you are
actually aware of the evolutionary process and actively abet it?
Then, its not really evolution.
So once we become aware we are evolving, we stop evolving?
As I pointed out, the aberrant behavior of the
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml
Four researchers who culled through 50 years of research literature
about the psychology of conservatism report that at the core of
political conservatism is the resistance to change and a tolerance for
inequality, and that
At 06:24 PM 7/27/2003 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
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I'm glad you brought this up, Michael, because the
answer is between
100,000 and 200,000.Meanwhile, according to
UNICEF, Saddam Hussein was
kiilling around 5,000 people a day. Of course,
Dan Minette wrote:
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No. We are dealing with a pathological minority, backed
up by a large sector of public opinion in the Middle East. If
we clean up our act, public opinion there will change.
I'm in the middle and
I'm sorry, I can't stay here anymore. I took an afternoon nap and had a
nightmare. It was the last straw that pushed me over the edge. I've had
many dreams about dolphins over the course of my life. Many pleasant, many
unpleasant, but every dream I've had about dolphins since I rejoined has
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big snip
Your suggestion that the left's inability to form an effective war
plan
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No, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission under the Bush
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At 06:24 PM 7/27/2003 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
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