On 15 Apr 2013, at 21:26, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/14/2013 1:07:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marc...@ulb.ac.be
writes:
NDE might helps people in stress situation, of after being wounded.
Given the fact that humans seems to fight since a long time, that
might convey
Hi John,
On 14 Apr 2013, at 00:10, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno, I stand corrected (redface): I had a closed mind for NDE
considered only as the observable experience on the 'patient' in a
dying-like situation.
Your airplane-example opened my eyes: it may refer to experiences
when someone (a
On 09 Apr 2013, at 17:11, Telmo Menezes wrote:
The web of trust comes from PhDs from accredited Universities. That is
the deal that everyone accepts.
If only that was true. Not all academies play the rule. Separation of
power leaks so much (since Nixon, more or less), that even academies
In a message dated 4/14/2013 1:07:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
marc...@ulb.ac.be writes:
NDE might helps people in stress situation, of after being wounded. Given
the fact that humans seems to fight since a long time, that might convey
some evolutionary role. This does not logically
On 12 Apr 2013, at 23:56, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno, thanks for the consenting remarks to my post. HOWEVER
you wrote:
...Some non-toxic and non-addictive drugs provokes NDE or alike.
Anyone, with a few practice, can see by itself.
I have a theory that salvia might go farer, and be a
Rather then just the Liege study, let us look to November, when Dr. Sam
Parnia, releases his research on the AWARE project. He has a partial sumary
of this study in his new book, Erasing Death (US) or The Lazarus Effect
(UK). Same book different titles. Parnia's AWARE study involves 25
On 4/13/2013 7:13 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Rather then just the Liege study, let us look to November, when Dr. Sam Parnia, releases
his research on the AWARE project. He has a partial sumary of this study in his new
book, Erasing Death (US) or The Lazarus Effect (UK). Same book different
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On 4/13/2013 7:13 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Rather then just the Liege
Bruno, I stand corrected (redface): I had a closed mind for NDE considered
only as the observable experience on the 'patient' in a dying-like
situation.
Your airplane-example opened my eyes: it may refer to experiences when
someone (a group?) faces death.
Adding my story to my mistake:
I had a
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On 4/13/2013 7:13 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Rather then just the Liege study, let us look to November, when Dr. Sam Parnia,
releases his research
Bruno, thanks for the consenting remarks to my post. HOWEVER
you wrote:
*...Some non-toxic and non-addictive drugs provokes NDE or alike. Anyone,
with a few practice, can see by itself.*
*
*
*I have a theory that salvia might go farer, and be a genuine DEAD
experience. You have the choice to
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:13 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
What I'm trying to say is that I believe you do not distinguish:
A) Science the method of inquiry
from
B) Science the human institution
And I am saying
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
Nature/Science have no magical powers to verify if experiments were
performed correctly.
Like anything else they are not perfect and are subject to error from time
to time, but I can't think of any other human
On 05 Apr 2013, at 21:39, John Mikes wrote:
I think I side with Craig: NDE is not N enough, is not D because
the 'observer' (gossiper?) came back and not E - rather a
compendium
of hearsay (s)he stored previously about D-like phenomena.
When a (human or other) complexity dissolves (=
On 06 Apr 2013, at 06:38, Richard Ruquist wrote:
There is no hell
Ah?
In which theory? You derive this from CY?
In which theology? What is your definition of hell?
Bruno
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Craig Weinberg
whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, April 5, 2013
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:44 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
wrote:
Nature/Science have no magical powers to verify if experiments were
performed correctly.
Like anything else they are not perfect and are
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Last week PLoS ONE received its first impact factor — a stunning 4.351.
Stunning? Nature = 51.15 Science = 47.72; and you're bragging about a
4.351?
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
What I'm trying to say is that I believe you do not distinguish:
A) Science the method of inquiry
from
B) Science the human institution
And I am saying is you do not understand that only one of the following is
true:
A)
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
Last week PLoS ONE received its first impact factor — a stunning 4.351.
Stunning? Nature = 51.15 Science = 47.72; and you're bragging about a
4.351?
This puts the open access journal in the top 25th percentile of ISI’s
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
this is an article about research published in PLoS ONE, a peer-reviewed
journal with a high impact factor ( 4).
I confess I've never heard of PLoS ONE, but maybe that is just my a
reflection of my ignorance, so I
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:39 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
wrote:
this is an article about research published in PLoS ONE, a peer-reviewed
journal with a high impact factor ( 4).
I confess I've never heard of
I have a explanation of NDE experiences that is incomplete because it is
based on evolution, and the evolution of a trait rarely obey a single cause
not even a set of causes , because natural selection is holistic. Although
some of these causes may be the main ones in the evolution of a certain
On Friday, April 5, 2013 4:50:29 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
I have a explanation of NDE experiences that is incomplete because it is
based on evolution, and the evolution of a trait rarely obey a single cause
not even a set of causes , because natural selection is holistic. Although
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
wait for the Nobel prizes ceremony. That way you can be assured to only
hear about the most respectable Scientific endeavours.
Anything else would be a waste of your time.
This isn't a mathematical proof where I
I think I side with Craig: NDE is not N enough, is not D because the
'observer' (gossiper?) came back and not E - rather a compendium
of hearsay (s)he stored previously about D-like phenomena.
When a (human or other) complexity dissolves (= death) nobody comes back to
tell the stories. This comes
On Friday, April 5, 2013 3:39:52 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote:
I think I side with Craig: NDE is not N enough, is not D because the
'observer' (gossiper?) came back and not E - rather a compendium
of hearsay (s)he stored previously about D-like phenomena.
When a (human or other) complexity
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
wrote:
wait for the Nobel prizes ceremony. That way you can be assured to only
hear about the most respectable Scientific endeavours.
Anything else
On Friday, April 5, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, John Clark johnk...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Telmo Menezes
te...@telmomenezes.comjavascript:
wrote:
wait for the Nobel prizes ceremony. That
There is no hell
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Friday, April 5, 2013 3:39:52 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote:
I think I side with Craig: NDE is not N enough, is not D because the
'observer' (gossiper?) came back and not E - rather a compendium
of
On 4/5/2013 9:38 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
There is no hell
The hell there isn't!
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On 04 Apr 2013, at 18:11, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed
by Steven Laureys)
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed by
Steven Laureys) and the University of Liège's Cognitive Psychology Research
(Professor Serge Brédart and Hedwige Dehon), have looked into the memories
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed
by Steven Laureys) and the University of Liège's Cognitive
Psychology Research (Professor Serge Brédart
On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed by Steven Laureys)
and the University of Liège's Cognitive
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:35:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed
by Steven Laureys) and the
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group
Even for materialists: why when the brain is in stress conditions do appear
vivid hallucinations that probably need a high dose of energy instead of
seeing for example a fixed image with malfunction, we are on it. please
relax ???
What I know is that there are a growing number of effects in
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:53:42 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull.
Dull in what way?
When the brain is deprived of oxygen some people have hallucinations and
other experiences, and some of which can be pleasurable hence
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:05:01 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
Even for materialists: why when the brain is in stress conditions do
appear vivid hallucinations that probably need a high dose of
energy instead of seeing for example a fixed image with malfunction, we
are on it.
On 4/4/2013 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
NDE during surgery cannot be due to lack of oxygen
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:18 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/4/2013 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 04 Apr 2013, at
On 4/4/2013 11:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:53:42 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull.
Dull in what way?
When the brain is deprived of oxygen some people have hallucinations and
other
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:18:45 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 4/4/2013 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Sure it can. The anesthesologist ensures that you get enough oxygen to avoid brain
damage, but that doesn't mean he ensures you get the normal amount. And some surgery
involves lowering the body temperature so that the body needs/uses less oxygen.
Brent
On 4/4/2013 11:27 AM, Richard Ruquist
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:32:02 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 4/4/2013 11:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:53:42 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull.
Dull in what way?
When the brain is
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:46:50 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
Sure it can. The anesthesologist ensures that you get enough oxygen to
avoid brain damage, but that doesn't mean he ensures you get the normal
amount. And some surgery involves lowering the body temperature so that
the body
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Dull in what way?
Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed onto
a obscure website about experimental results that would revolutionize not
just science but the entire world if true are dull.
You
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
these hallucinations appear to to be real visitations to other worlds.
Did you learn that from astrology or numerology?
John K Clark
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On Thursday, April 4, 2013 3:56:57 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
Dull in what way?
Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed onto
a obscure website about experimental results that would
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 4:02:06 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
these hallucinations appear to to be real visitations to other worlds.
Did you learn that from astrology or numerology?
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Dull in what way?
Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed onto a
obscure website about experimental results that would
Like
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:19:17 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM, John Clark johnk...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:
wrote:
Dull in what way?
Dull in the way that reading
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