On 06 Nov 2013, at 02:43, LizR wrote:
On 6 November 2013 14:38, wrote:
We could offer a 20 or 100 billion dollar prize for a new clean
energy source and award the winner. The contestents would have to
get bank or private equity funding to accomplish this. We can do the
same for medicine
On 6 November 2013 20:25, meekerdb wrote:
> Yeah, I know. But it's a silly vision. Why would you want all these
> drugged out brutes around. Why wouldn't you just use of biological
> engineering to create animals to do labor and act as companions...Oh,
> right, because it's easier and cheape
On 11/5/2013 11:11 PM, LizR wrote:
On 6 November 2013 17:10, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>
wrote:
On 11/5/2013 8:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
In the near future who knows… you may breath in some nano dust and within
minutes
begin feeling a powerful compelling love for
On 6 November 2013 17:10, meekerdb wrote:
> On 11/5/2013 8:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
>
> In the near future who knows… you may breath in some nano dust and within
> minutes begin feeling a powerful compelling love for the dear leader (or
> bankster) that fills you with an overriding motiva
On 11/5/2013 9:52 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Hehe... the "armed" populace will fare well against the array of AC-130 gunship, Apache
helicopters, hunter-killer drones, armored vehicles and the vast array of military
hardware and urban counter insurgency tactics that have been perfected in t
On 11/5/2013 9:44 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Brent -- Community & compromise are noble ideals, but in practice the exercise of power
& realpolitick -- as it has in fact been practiced through history -- has far more to do
with facilitating and providing legal cover for predation and securing
brought
to bear against it should it come down to that.
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erything.
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Yeah, let's all pour hate on government and go to
pay the environmental costs that it imposes.
Brent
The contestents would have to get bank or private equity funding to accomplish this. We
can do the same for medicine and outer space too.
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On 11/5/2013 8:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
In the near future who knows... you may breath in some nano dust and within minutes
begin feeling a powerful compelling love for the dear leader (or bankster) that fills
you with an overriding motivation to struggle harder to do your small part in
2013 6:10 PM
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One needs to distinguish Fascism and Nazism. Fascism bound the nation-state
into a super-organism. Nazism added a mystic racism about blood (volk) and
soil, C
, 2013 7:43 PM
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On 6 November 2013 16:41, Chris de Morsella wrote:
And also distinguish F
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One needs to distinguish Fascism an
I practice the primary mantras of all the principal religions
having been kicked out, more or less, from all of them.
But I do not practice Jediism and their mantra:
'let the force be with you'.
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:30 PM, LizR wrote:
> Me too. Look what happened to Darth Vader...
>
> On 6
Me too. Look what happened to Darth Vader...
On 6 November 2013 16:29, Richard Ruquist wrote:
> I stay away from the dark side of the internet
>
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On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:17 PM, LizR wrote:
> Not even on the deep net?
>
>
> On 6 November 2013 16:15, Richard Ruquist wrote:
>
>> According to the Wired article, deep net is the tor system
>> invented or developed by the govt to be impenetrable
Not even on the deep net?
On 6 November 2013 16:15, Richard Ruquist wrote:
> According to the Wired article, deep net is the tor system
> invented or developed by the govt to be impenetrable
> hence NSA's comment that "Tor sucks".
>
> You can read the Wired article here:
> http://www.wired.com/
According to the Wired article, deep net is the tor system
invented or developed by the govt to be impenetrable
hence NSA's comment that "Tor sucks".
You can read the Wired article here:
http://www.wired.com/magazine/
but the last issue is not on the net yet.
Richard
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:52
On 11/5/2013 5:21 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Just a few points:
The advantage of individualism, is it reduces lemming marches, when everyone is running
in the wrong direction.
The disadvantage is that if the organized elite convince everyone else that they should
only act as individuals
. The market influence thing seems right,
hence the triumph of crony capitalism in american politics.
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Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi
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> On 6 November 2013 14:38, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
> We could offer a 20 or 100 billion dollar prize for a new clean energy
&g
On 6 November 2013 14:44, wrote:
>
> Marxists like BHO want people taken care of. They also want people
> dependent on government servicesnso they, the pols, can have control over
> the dumb serfs. And again, all the fashionable Marxists have a bunch of
> crony capitalist friends to get ideas fro
money for the Solyndras who soak up taxes and produce nothing!
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On 6 November 2013 14:38, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
We could offer a 20 or 100 billion dollar priz
. But sometimes they do!
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On 6 November 2013 13:59, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
Try to remember, that in Russia, and China, as well as the USA, are all
partly, ru
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On 6 November 2013 13:59, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
Try to remember, that in Russia, and China, as well as the USA, are all
partly, ruled by billionaires.
, as Marx said, I do not view this as possible,
unless everyone has access to 3D printers and nanofabrication. Like
Engels and Marx wrote, The Means of Production...
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On 6 November 2013 14:38, wrote:
> We could offer a 20 or 100 billion dollar prize for a new clean energy
> source and award the winner. The contestents would have to get bank or
> private equity funding to accomplish this. We can do the same for medicine
> and outer space too.
>
> Sounds good t
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On 11/4/2013 8:15 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Briefly, tea baggers want a more limited govt cost wise.
Why? What do you want to cut? the military? (not according the signs I
, Nov 4, 2013 9:05 pm
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So just "corporatism", then?
Although there is a lot of "superorganism" worship and desire for
national glory in the US, and a strong desire to conquer "inferior and
backward nations" - often by commerc
On 6 November 2013 14:06, wrote:
> No no. But as long as you don't conflate the ideal, versus the real, and
> like the marxists did, justify ever failure of their system, to "it will be
> perfect in the future, comrades.".
>
You're calling them "Marxists" because they paid lip service to Marx, h
On 6 November 2013 13:59, wrote:
>
> Try to remember, that in Russia, and China, as well as the USA, are all
> partly, ruled by billionaires. People with great fortunes. Also, we humans
> are like any other primate, because when some of these billionaires do
> things we like, like Bill Gates, we
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On 5 November 2013 17:11, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar opposites.
Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does not really
mean that they are. It just means that they try to BS people
their rule. I am no different in this.
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In the meantime, the corporates are doing their best to enslave world
via the internet...
http://readersupportednews.org
capitalism in american politics.
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Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi terms: Carl Schmitt
reasoned that corporations have the potential to become
:22 pm
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Ah, good point. I have even seen "The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui". I
should have remembered.
So basically America (and various other Western democracies) currently
have fascist governments - the twist being that this time around,
har
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM, LizR wrote:
> In the meantime, the corporates are doing their best to enslave world via
> the internet...
>
> http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/298-185/20253-focus-were-about-to-lose-net-neutrality-and-the-internet-as-we-know-it
Net neutrality has already be
Ah yes I've heard of that. Well it's the classic response to prohibition,
isn't it, to figuratively go underground?
On 6 November 2013 11:34, Richard Ruquist wrote:
> The so-called Deep Net is according to this last issue of Wired is
> many times bigger than the Internet we all know
> and appar
Hi Richard,
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
> The so-called Deep Net is according to this last issue of Wired is
> many times bigger than the Internet we all know
> and apparently almost impenetrable.
> Perhaps we will all switch
> to the Deep Net
> http://www.rogerdavies.
The so-called Deep Net is according to this last issue of Wired is
many times bigger than the Internet we all know
and apparently almost impenetrable.
Perhaps we will all switch
to the Deep Net
http://www.rogerdavies.com/2011/06/dark-internet/
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:26 PM, LizR wrote:
> In t
In the meantime, the corporates are doing their best to enslave world via
the internet...
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/298-185/20253-focus-were-about-to-lose-net-neutrality-and-the-internet-as-we-know-it
On 6 November 2013 02:24, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:52 PM
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
> Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi terms: Carl Schmitt reasoned
> that corporations have the potential to become "states". If the government
> doesn't keep their authority in check, they will enslave people and
> government
Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi terms: Carl Schmitt reasoned
that corporations have the potential to become "states". If the government
doesn't keep their authority in check, they will enslave people and
government through market influence.
We're perhaps still running "dominance over
On 5 November 2013 17:11, wrote:
> I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar opposites.
> Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does not really mean
> that they are. It just means that they try to BS people with this claim. In
> fact, there are no, non mixed econo
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On 11/4/2013 4:31 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
As Telmo indicated , Rand, railed against unlimited state power,
which is what Marxism and Fascism are all about. Her individualism, stuff is
cent
, Nov 4, 2013 8:07 pm
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On 11/4/2013 4:31 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
As Telmo indicated , Rand, railed against unlimited state
power, which is what Marxism and Fascism are all about. Her
individualism, stuff is
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I'm not sure I can parse your last sentence. To start with you seem to
indicate that Marxism (the economic theory / desire for rule by the
proletariat) - interestingly in lumped with Fa
So just "corporatism", then?
Although there is a lot of "superorganism" worship and desire for national
glory in the US, and a strong desire to conquer "inferior and backward
nations" - often by commercial rather than military means. Plus paying lip
service to individualism doesn't seem to contrad
On 11/4/2013 5:22 PM, LizR wrote:
Ah, good point. I have even seen "The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui". I should have
remembered.
So basically America (and various other Western democracies) currently have fascist
governments - the twist being that this time around, hardly anyone realises the f
Ah, good point. I have even seen "The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui". I
should have remembered.
So basically America (and various other Western democracies) currently have
fascist governments - the twist being that this time around, hardly anyone
realises the fact!
On 5 November 2013 14:10, meeke
On 11/4/2013 4:44 PM, LizR wrote:
I'm not sure I can parse your last sentence. To start with you seem to indicate that
Marxism (the economic theory / desire for rule by the proletariat) - interestingly in
lumped with Fascism (rule by a powerful state) - might get people killed. But in the
last
On 11/4/2013 4:31 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
As Telmo indicated , Rand, railed against unlimited state power, which is what Marxism
and Fascism are all about. Her individualism, stuff is central to her philosophy, but
breaks down to the argument that being forced to donate is no donation at
I'm not sure I can parse your last sentence. To start with you seem to
indicate that Marxism (the economic theory / desire for rule by the
proletariat) - interestingly in lumped with Fascism (rule by a powerful
state) - might get people killed. But in the last sentence you say this is
a "wrong beli
One of the demons that haunt this planet is the wrong belief, that Marxism, and
Statism get a lot of people killed, often on purpose.
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On 11/4/2013 4:10 AM, Telmo Men
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
>> wrote:
>> > Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I
>> > don't
>> > reason
On 11/4/2013 4:10 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I don't
reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies locally.
Yes, but one has to be careful about
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> On 04 Nov 2013, at 16:20, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
>> wrote:
>> > Well reasoned opportunism taken literally
On 04 Nov 2013, at 16:20, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
> Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it
is. I don't
> reason against it and nature ha
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 Chris de Morsella wrote:
> LOL -- totally -- who exactly is this undefined "many" that considers
> Scalia to be an intellectual?
>
According to Wikipedia "Scalia has been described as the intellectual
anchor of the Court's conservative wing", and it makes sense in a way,
cons
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
> wrote:
> > Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I
> don't
> > reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies
> locally.
>
> Yes, but
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> Furthermore, her point is that competition in a free market actually
> helps everybody -- by providing better goods and services at lower
> prices -- while redistribution of money based on violence does not,
> and is in fact generally a con
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
> Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I don't
> reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies locally.
Yes, but one has to be careful about global narratives. Our culture is
filled
Here is a discussion of how greed is in the process of destroying our fiat
currency banking system:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-entire-fiat-money-system-is-bankrupt-demise-of-the-global-us-fiat-dollar-reserve-currency/5356491
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <
multiple
Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I don't
reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies locally.
My main problem is that I just can't picture myself around a bunch of Rand
fans licking their fingers "greed is good, keep deregulating all things
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:36 AM, meekerdb wrote:
> On 11/3/2013 3:17 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:51 PM, meekerdb wrote:
>
>> On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is considered by many to be a
>>> intellectual, in fact t
Oops I didn't mean to libel de Sade. Of course liking him doesn't
necessarily reflect on *him *(see Neitzsche for more details).
Re Newton, I thought it because I read something like this:
Newton's famous phrase "If I have seen further than others, then it is
because I have stood on the shoulders
On 11/3/2013 7:04 PM, LizR wrote:
Brent...
Agree 100%, Rand sounds like a ghastly unempathic admirer of fascism and probably the
Maquis de Sade.
Actually that's libeling the Marquis de Sade who was thoughtful man who happened to like
kinky sex and didn't believe in hypocrisy.
http://www.sa
On 11/3/2013 6:37 PM, John Mikes wrote:
My idea (as I voiced it several times) the 'oldies' of the Supremes should be retired
after - say - 20 years of being separated from the real world in the*Ivory Tower of the
Hi Court.* Nobody can maintain an active understanding of the problems */OF OTHER
Brent...
Agree 100%, Rand sounds like a ghastly unempathic admirer of fascism and
probably the Maquis de Sade.
(By the way I think that quote from Newton was originally intended
ironically :)
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On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
> Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is consider
On 11/3/2013 3:17 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:51 PM, meekerdb wrote:
>On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
>>
>>Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is considered by many to be a
>>intellectual, in fact the leading intellectual on the Supreme Court,
>
>
>Of course t
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:51 PM, meekerdb wrote:
> On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
>>
>> Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is considered by many to be a
>> intellectual, in fact the leading intellectual on the Supreme Court,
>
>
> Of course that "many" consists of bible thumping Tea Ba
On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is considered by many to be a intellectual, in fact
the leading intellectual on the Supreme Court,
Of course that "many" consists of bible thumping Tea Baggers, worshipers of Ayn Rand, and
snake handlers who have gen
I have a stone that turns base metal into gold I'd like to sell him.
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