On 20 Sep 2012, at 03:09, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/19/2012 5:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone
may be almost contradictory, for they may realize the identity of
all minds, and therefore they would be torturing themselves.
That would
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Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone
may be
almost
. -Woody Allen
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On 20 Sep 2012, at 03:09, meekerdb wrote:
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Also, the concept of a super
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Also, the concept
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God's grace.
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Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone may be almost
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On 9/20/2012 9:35 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:29:18 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
The devil could not write the Bible for it asks us to love God
and our neighbor.
That's like thinking that if a person does drugs with you they can't
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Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone
may be almost contradictory, for they may realize
Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Everything that God does by definition is just.
So much for religion giving morality a rock solid foundation, all it means
is that God wants it. We should do good and avoid evil for one and only one
reason, a loving God will torture us for eternity if
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Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone
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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven, only
On 18 Sep 2012, at 18:55, John Clark wrote:
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Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven, only
believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that.
And you know that because you were told it over and over
On Wed, Sep 19, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
OK, genius. So, following impeccable logic, you believe you are John
Clark because from infancy people kept ramming down your thoat that you are
John Clark.
Yes. People told me that my name was John Clark and like all young
children I
, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Richard Ruquist
Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven,
only believing in Christ's sacrifice for us will do that.
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On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:27:13 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Richard Ruquist
Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven,
only believing in Christ's
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Hi Richard Ruquist
Obeying the commandments will
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On
On Sep 19, 2012, at 4:19 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
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On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:27:13 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Richard Ruquist
Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven,
only believing in Christ's sacrifice for
On 9/19/2012 5:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone may be almost
contradictory, for they may realize the identity of all minds, and therefore they would
be torturing themselves.
That would be an inconsistency of values, but not a logical
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On 9/19/2012 5:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone may be
almost contradictory, for they may realize the identity of all minds, and
therefore they would be torturing
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On 9/19/2012 5:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone may be
almost contradictory, for they may realize the identity of all minds, and
therefore they would be torturing
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Jesus said that he likes people to be hot or cold, atheists and
theists that keep all the commandments, even ones he added like
praying in a closet.
The other
can think of.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
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Forever is a long time, especially near the end.
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Most adults don't believe in Santa Claus even though they once did because they
were told by their parents when they were
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
God loved the believers and hated the nonbelievers, at least that's what the
Bible tells us
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Obeying the commandments will not get you into heaven, only believing in
Christ's sacrifice for us will do that.
And you know that because you were told it over and over again from the
very moment you learned language,
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
there is no indisputable reason to believe in God.
Yes.
Faith or trust is required
In other words stupidity is required.
and that's exactly what God wants
God wants? GOD WANTS??!! The guy's omnipotent, God doesn't want, God
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Nonesense
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Hi Richard Ruquist
He was talking about the 10 commandments.
He
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Nonesense
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Richard Ruquist
He was talking about the 10 commandments.
He fulfilled them with his death and res.
Jesus did away for example with the dietary
.
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On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 , Roger Clough wrote:
God loved the Israelites and hated their enemies.
Well that hardly seems fair, and God
: the nothing but fallacy.
I was waiting for your reply.
Alas, Jesus was a Jew
and Jews have 613 commandments,
not just 10.
Insults do not help your argument.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Richard Ruquist
Another drive-by shooting. Just an unsupported denial
.
You only need to accept that fact for it to be
saved.
o invent him
so that everything could function.
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I
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
God loved the believers and hated the nonbelievers, at least that's what
the Bible tells us.
Yes that's what the Bible says, it says that a omnipotent omniscient being
is pretending that He does not exist and He hates
Jesus said that he likes people to be hot or cold, atheists and
theists that keep all the commandments, even ones he added like
praying in a closet.
The other people are the least in heaven, which BTW implies that we
all make to heaven. He especially dislikes those who change or
reinterprete his
On 9/17/2012 10:40 AM, John Clark wrote:
Most adults don't believe in Santa Claus even though they once did because they were
told by their parents when they were still quite young that he didn't exist, if they
waited until they were 17 to be informed it would be too late and they wouldn't have
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On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Intelligence ? I don't think the word was available back then (Bible days).
Well, they certainly behaved as the didn't know what it meant to be
intelligent, but then why is the bible worth reading today
Hi John Clark
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ROGER: Intelligence ? I don't think the word was available back then (Bible
days).
JOHN: Welll, they certainly behaved as the didn't know what it meant to be
intelligent, but then why is the
bible worth reading
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 , Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
God loved the Israelites and hated their enemies.
Well that hardly seems fair, and God hated a hell of a lot more of His
creations than he loved.
God did heap down fire and brimstone on the enemies of his people.
I understand
, 15:32:46
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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
You're a slow learner.
Maybe, but I'm smarter than the people in the Bible. As Bertrand Russell said
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise
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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
You're a slow learner.
Maybe, but I'm smarter than the people in the Bible. As Bertrand Russell
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Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
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Jesus did
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Jesus did not do away with any OT laws.
He said so explicitly in the Sermon on the Mount.
Matthew 5:
[17] Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets;
I have come not to abolish them
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Intelligence ? I don't think the word was available back then (Bible days).
Well, they certainly behaved as the didn't know what it meant to be
intelligent, but then why is the bible worth reading today? Why not read
Every belief system has a core and a set of pseudo logic, which is a
mix of pseudo arguments ad authoritas that justify their beliefs.
Positivsts have Phisics as its core, defence shield. From this,
almost everything else is derived. Because the law of angular momentum
is true and is science,
: 2012-09-13, 13:03:16
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012? Roger Clough wrote:
If religion is true I would be surprised if it DIDN'T appear in myths.
And if religion is false I would be more than surprised I would be absolutely
astonished if it DIDN'T appear in myths
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Every belief system has a core and a set of pseudo logic, which is a
mix of pseudo arguments ad authoritas that justify their beliefs.
Positivsts have
On 9/14/2012 12:18 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Every belief system has a core and a set of pseudo logic, which is a
mix of pseudo arguments ad authoritas that justify their beliefs.
Positivsts have Phisics as its core, defence shield. From this,
almost everything else is derived. Because the
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
You're a slow learner.
Maybe, but I'm smarter than the people in the Bible. As Bertrand Russell
said So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in
praise of intelligence.
Bible stories are generally
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
I just gave a positivistic argument to convince people that adhere to the
positivistic faith. That does not mean that I´m materialist nor positivist.
Positivism, whatever else it is, is not faith. Faith is when you
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
I call this the nothing but fallacy
There is indeed a nothing but fallacy, such as:
a computer can't be conscious because when you look at it at a close
enough level you find nothing but a bunch of zeros and ones
Even to believe that what we see exist in a objective, external
reality is an act of faith. To believe, and to believe only in the
authority of what is called science at a certain time in history is
another act of faith in the authority of someone that administer some
truth ( concrete scientist
On 13 Sep 2012, at 15:36, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
wrote:
I just gave a positivistic argument to convince people that adhere
to the
positivistic faith. That does not mean that I´m materialist nor
positivist.
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 11:36:37 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.net javascript:wrote:
I call this the nothing but fallacy
There is indeed a nothing but fallacy, such as:
a computer can't be conscious because when you look
as a social phenomenon. Or it did not show up in myth and
folk tales.
I call this the nothing but fallacy. It is the bread and butter of
atheists critics of religion. Sam Harris, Hitchens, Dawkins, and the other
atheist
critics made a good living based on this fallacy.
Simlilarly critics of the near
,
it would be suprising if
it did NOT show up as a social phenomenon. Or it did not show up in
myth and folk tales.
I call this the nothing but fallacy. It is the bread and butter of
atheists critics of religion. Sam Harris, Hitchens, Dawkins, and the
other atheist
critics made a good living
Hi Alberto G. Corona
You are obviously one of those that believe that religion is
nothing but a bunch of myths. Could be, but not necessarily so.
You have fallen for the nothing but fallacy. If religion
is true I would be surprised if it DIDN'T appear in myths.
It should
, rclo...@verizon.net
9/12/2012
Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function.
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materialist nor positivist.
2012/9/12 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net
Hi Alberto G. Corona
You are obviously one of those that believe that religion is
nothing but a bunch of myths. Could be, but not necessarily so.
You have fallen for the nothing but fallacy. If religion
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