Hi Jason,
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
> I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different
> answers.
>
> The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before?
>
> I think the answer is most definitely yes. Some examples:
> - La
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have some time/patience, let me know what you think of my arguments
>> here:
>> https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.02009
&
Wow! Bitcoin passing 10K and now this. Two things that happened this
week that might have a place in the history books...
You are right, the latter might eventually invalidate the former.
Best,
Telmo.
On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:13 PM, John Clark wrote:
> For the first time a Quantum Computer has
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 11/30/2017 10:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> To go further: not so long ago, most people would freely defend that
>> the lives of people from their ethnicity are more valuable than those
>> of other
Hi Lawrence,
> Bitcoins are used a lot by organized criminals.
Bitcoins are certainly used a lot to perform illegal transactions,
mainly selling drugs, but where is the evidence that they are being
disproportionately used by organized crime? One could certainly
imagine that they are bad for organ
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 11/30/2017 11:45 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/30/2017 10:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>>>
>>>&
Beautiful:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/12/after-37-years-voyager-has-fired-up-its-trajectory-thrusters/
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Hi Jason,
Thanks for the quotes, I feel less crazy now!
Telmo.
On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 6:26 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>> >
>> >
&
Hi Bruno,
> I have a lot of sympathy for the quote above, as you can guess, which are
> all rather close to the "theology of number", but my Lôbian Fear get trigged
> by the terming "perfectly benevolent".
>
> The Lôbian machine can understand intellectually that "she", the ultimate
> owner of the
> A triumph of U.S. engineering!
Indeed. The achievements of NASA and the US space program were a great
source of joy and inspiration for me when I was growing up. I am sure
I was far from being the only kid feeling this. You should be proud.
Telmo.
> Brent
>
> On 12/2/2017 5:
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
> Yes. we are all robots. You are the only human mmwwahahah
>
> Every decade it is predicted that 50 years from now AI would surpass human
> beings.
>
> The level of AI was pathetic 50 years ago. It is pathethic now and will be
> pathetic 5
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 12/6/2017 1:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>> I suspect that this is perhaps why Brent want to refer to the environment
>> for relating consciousness to the machine, and in Artificial Intelligence,
>> some people defend the idea that (m
s per
second;
Stage 4: there's no way a computer will ever be able to defeat a
competent human player at go;
etc.
Telmo.
> 2017-12-06 14:40 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes :
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Alberto G. Corona
>> wrote:
>> > Yes. we are all rob
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> On 07 Dec 2017, at 10:01, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/6/2017 1:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>>>
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 12/7/2017 1:01 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Brent Meeker
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/6/2017 1:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>>>
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 12/8/2017 2:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07 Dec 2017, at 10:01, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>>
>>>&g
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 12/8/2017 2:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Brent Meeker
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/7/2017 1:01 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>>&
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:06 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
> http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=5104
>
> How much more acute this problem will become when AI reaches human and
> super-human levels.
Once AIs reaches super-human levels, I don't think they will care if
us humans believe the
Hi David,
> Sometimes your responses really puzzle me Brent. What you say above almost
> makes it sound as though you just don't get the distinction Telmo is
> pointing to. But based on what you have said at other times I think you do
> get it, but because you also know that there's really no expl
> So we are told. But what if someone could look at a recorded MRI of you
> brain and tell you what you were thinking?
Why do you need the MRI? You can look at the text that I write and
know what I'm thinking. We've been doing that all along.
The text I write comes from my fingers hitting the key
On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 12/21/2017 3:34 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>>
>>> So we are told. But what if someone could look at a recorded MRI of you
>>> brain and tell you what you were thinking?
>>
>> Why do y
On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 2:01 PM, David Nyman wrote:
> On 21 December 2017 at 11:34, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> > So we are told. But what if someone could look at a recorded MRI of you
>> > brain and tell you what you were thinking?
>>
>> Why do you need t
What have you done man?! :)
On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Lawrence Crowell
wrote:
> Sorry, I sent this to the wrong Google group list
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2017 at 9:51:33 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>>
>> Written to somebody else:
>>
>> Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels most like
Hi John,
If you read your own email, you will see that the definition that you
give is not the same as the ones you quote. You are in fact alluding
to the weak AI thesis, which is about behavior, not mind. Now, it
could be that intelligent behavior implies mind, but as you yourself
argue, we don't
Hi Lawrence,
In the context of this mailing list, computationalism usually refers
to the Computational Theory of Mind. People also talk about comp,
usually referring to the work of Bruno Marchal. These things have been
extensively discussed for many years here, including their
falsifiability -- no
On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 4:09 PM, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wro
> te
>
>
>> >
>> If you read your own email, you will see that the definition that you
>> give is not the same as the ones you quote.
>
>
>
>
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:53 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 1/1/2018 3:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Lawrence Crowell
> wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:14:35 AM UTC-6, Russell Standish wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 09:41:33PM -0800, agra
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 1:16 AM, wrote:
>
>
> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 3:29:56 PM UTC-7, Lawrence Crowell wrote:
>>
>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 3:58:07 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:47:40 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:
I know
https://xkcd.com/1235/
On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM, wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:21:40 PM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 6:36:56 PM UTC-7, Zachary Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 8:12:51 PM UTC-6, agra
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:02 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 1/3/2018 7:49 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 8:34:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/3/2018 6:00 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 3:43:14 PM U
Hi Lara,
My view is that, as with all scientific theories and technologies, AI
is morally neutral. it has the potential for both extremely good and
extremely nasty practical applications. That being said, the unusual
thing about AI is that it has the potential to generate *something
that replaces
t would you creative if you just wanted to have fun with AI?
>
> K E N O
>
>
> Am 12.01.2018 um 14:43 schrieb Telmo Menezes :
>
> Hi Lara,
>
> My view is that, as with all scientific theories and technologies, AI
> is morally neutral. it has the potential for both
To summarize the argument:
1. A sufficiently advanced civilization is bound to become a galactic
civilization;
2. We do not observe a galactic civilization;
3. If other instances of life are found, this means that life is not so rare;
4. So it is likely that there is a major obstacle that prevents
On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:43 PM, Lawrence Crowell
wrote:
> It is interesting in some ways. However, it involves speculations on things
> we have no knowledge of.
>
> The idea involves these filters. The one "behind us" involves the barrier to
> intelligent life similar to us. There are few example
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Lawrence Crowell
wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 11:43 PM, Lawrence Crowell
>> wrote:
>> > It is interesting in some ways. However, it involves speculations on
>> > things
>> > we have n
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:25 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
>> >
>> To summarize the argument:
>>
>> 1. A sufficiently advanced civilization is bound to become a galactic
>> civilization;
>> 2. We
On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Lawrence Crowell
wrote:
> Hard emergence is either something really miraculous and thus not really in
> the domain of physics, or it is something we might call a miracle because we
> really do not understand it.
For me, emergence refers to the arisal of new propert
On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 11:24 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 3:21 AM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
>>
>> >
>> the argument ignores the possibility that civilizations
>> might be able to thrive for a very long time without ever expanding
Also,
>> The strong AI thesis is that such machine would be conscious
>
>
> Where is the world did you get that idea? The term "strong AI thesis" was
> invented by working scientists
AFAIK, the term "Strong AI" was introduced by John Searle, a Professor
of Philosophy.
I am not sure what "working
Hi Bruno,
> For example, prolog is a tiny subset of first order logic, and is Turing
> universal.
I thought Prolog was more or less equivalent to first order logic.
What's missing?
Telmo.
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Hello Francesco,
Welcome to the group!
I like your essay and essentially agree with what you say. My only
problem is with your treatment of the principle of non-contradition. I
feel that your reasoning there becomes circular: all truths are
relative, so the principle of non-contradition is also r
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 21 Feb 2018, at 09:58, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bruno,
>>
>>> For example, prolog is a tiny subset of first order logic, and is Turing
>>> universal.
>>
>> I though
I find it interesting that you resort to an image. I suspect that what you
are trying to communicate cannot be fully communicated with language. That
is perhaps what art is for?
Cheers
Telmo.
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Francesco D'Isa
wrote:
> Hello Telmo, thank you very much for welcomin
> Depends on what you mean by "proof", we sentence people to prison based on
> proof of their crime. Not all proof is mathematical. And mathematical
> proof is only relative to the axioms.
I think that this is one of those cases where the term is overloaded.
I would argue that, for most people,
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 2/27/2018 2:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> Depends on what you mean by "proof", we sentence people to prison based on
> proof of their crime. Not all proof is mathematical. And mathematical
> proof
Ok, I'm in bed recovering from flu. I watched the video.
So we have:
* Jack Trowbridge was First Lieutenant at Roswell. He claims that he
was playing bridge at the house of a superior, and that he showed up
with some alien material. It had strange hieroglyphs and "you squeezed
it up in your hands
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 6:34 PM, wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 10:08:17 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote:
>>
>> Ok, I'm in bed recovering from flu. I watched the video.
>>
>> So we have:
>>
>> * Jack Trowbridge was First Lieutenant at Roswell. He claims that he
>> was playing bridg
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 6:57 PM, wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 12:37:20 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:38 AM, wrote:
>>
>>
I don't KNOW for sure there isn't a teapot in orbit around Uranus
either, but I'm not going to inflict wear and
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 2/28/2018 3:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> So what do you find more convincing: An axiomatic proof that God exists,
> e.g. St Anslem's or Goedel's. or The mere empirical absence of evidence.
>
&g
On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2/28/2018 3:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> So what do you find more convincing: An axiomatic proof that God exists,
>> e.g. St Ansle
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 7:43 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 3/3/2018 1:47 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Telmo Menezes
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Brent Meeker
>>> wrote:
&g
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 3/3/2018 11:48 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 7:43 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/3/2018 1:47 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>>>
>
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 3/5/2018 9:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> "Could" implies a question about possibilities. It's certainly logically
> possible that there not be such a disease as leukemia. Is it nomologically
&g
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 3/5/2018 11:49 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 1:37 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
> On 3/5/2018 9:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> "Could" implies a question about possibilities. It&
What it says in the tin... not a trick question.
Cheers,
Telmo.
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On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 7 Mar 2018, at 15:24, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/5/2018 11:49 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>>
>>> O
On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 7 Mar 2018, at 18:59, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> What it says in the tin... not a trick question.
>
> The tin?
It's an expression: what I mean is precisely what is written in the
label. In this c
> NONSENSE! Evolution produced me. I know with 100% certainty that I am
> conscious. I very strongly suspect billions of other things are conscious
> too. I know for a fact Evolution can detect intelligent behavior but it
> can’t detect consciousness and yet I am consciousness. Therefor
> conscious
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:18 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Evolution produced me. I know with 100% certainty that I am
>>> >> conscious. I very strongly suspect billions of other thing
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 9:29 PM, Lawrence Crowell
wrote:
> On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:18 PM, John Clark wrote:
>> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Telmo Menezes
>> > wrote:
>>
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:38 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> >> You walk into a bakery and see a cake and you assume the baker made
>>> >> the cake. Do you also assume the bak
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:06 AM, Bruce Kellett
wrote:
> From: Stathis Papaioannou
>
>
> It is possible that consciousness is fully preserved until a threshold is
> reached then suddenly disappears. So if half the subject’s brain is
> replaced, he behaves normally and has normal consciousness, bu
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:03 AM, Bruce Kellett
wrote:
> From: Telmo Menezes
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:06 AM, Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>> From: Stathis Papaioannou
>>
>>
>> It is possible that consciousness is fully preserved until a threshold is
>
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Stathis Papaioannou
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 at 7:57 pm, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:03 AM, Bruce Kellett
>> wrote:
>> > From: Telmo Menezes
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue,
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 5:03 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
>>
>> > If the theory is that if the observable behaviour of the brain is
>> > replicated, then consciousness will also be replicated, then the clear
>> > corollary is that consciousness c
On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Lawrence Crowell
wrote:
> You would have to replicate then not only the dynamics of neurons, but every
> biomolecule in the neurons, and don't forget about the oligoastrocytes and
> other glial cells. Many enzymes for instance to multi-state systems, say in
> a si
that. Maybe we're
> equivalent?
I don't know if my curiosity is as strong as yours, I think it's
impossible to know. I think you are being reductive about yourself, no
matter how amazing curiosity is.
Telmo.
> On 31 March 2018 at 20:32, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>&
On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 12:29 AM, Lawrence Crowell
wrote:
> On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 2:32:06 PM UTC-6, telmo_menezes wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Lawrence Crowell
>> wrote:
>> > You would have to replicate then not only the dynamics of neurons, but
>> > every
>> > biomolecu
Hi Russell,
On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Russell Standish
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>
>> Now, is a jellyfish conscious?
>>
>> I bet they are, but not far away from the dissociative and constant
>> arithmetical consciousness (of the universal ma
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> On 3 Apr 2018, at 08:25, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> Hi Russell,
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Russell Standish
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marcha
On 4 April 2018 at 10:21, Russell Standish wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 08:25:59AM +0200, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>> Hi Russell,
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Russell Standish
>> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wr
> If that is true, the dissociative state can genuinely be identified with the
> death state, and, as far as we get there (with salvia for example), the
> experience cannot be memorised at all. In fact, it entails that we truly die,
> and the one who come back is truly “someone else”, and this i
Thanks Quentin!
On 5 April 2018 at 15:03, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>
>
> Le jeu. 5 avr. 2018 13:42, Telmo Menezes a écrit :
>>
>> On 4 April 2018 at 10:21, Russell Standish wrote:
>> > On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 08:25:59AM +0200, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>> >&
On 8 March 2018 at 21:22, Brent Meeker wrote:
> Google has tensorflow available online.
I don't recommend anyone trying to use it directly. It's very nice but
it comes with a lot o Google-isms that are very hard to figure out.
I recommend Keras:
https://keras.io/
It allows one to use tensorflow
On 18 April 2018 at 23:57, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
>
>>
> theology. It just means “theory of everything’” for the greeks,
>
>
> No it doesn't. First, "theory" has a different origin from "theos"=god.
> Second, for the Greeks "theology" meant discourse concerning the gods. From
> Wikipedia:
>
> G
On 19 April 2018 at 06:22, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 4/18/2018 8:51 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> On 18 April 2018 at 23:57, Brent Meeker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> theology. It just means “theory of everything’” for the greeks,
>>&
On 20 April 2018 at 19:04, John Clark wrote:
> I never got past the first line of Bruno’s post because he said:
>
> "Consider any Turing universal machinery, for example the programming
> language c++”
>
> C++ is Turing complete but is not a Turing machine because machines are
> physical objects m
Hi Bruno,
>> Ok, but it is good to keep in mind that pagan gods were very different
>> cultural constructs than the christian god.
>
> Yes, but with neoplatonism, the “pagan god” is the ONE, and it will influence
> a lot Judaism, Christianity and Islam, not always with the "Second God"
> (Aristo
On 19 April 2018 at 21:47, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 4/18/2018 11:50 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> On 19 April 2018 at 06:22, Brent Meeker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/18/2018 8:51 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 18 Ap
On 21 April 2018 at 16:44, John Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 4:10 AM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> And Turing explained exactly precisely how to make one of his machines in
>>> the real physical world
>>
>>
[I messed up and sent the unfinished email. Here's the rest...]
On 21 April 2018 at 23:10, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> On 21 April 2018 at 16:44, John Clark wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 4:10 AM, Telmo Menezes
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
On 22 April 2018 at 01:47, John Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
>>
>> >
>> As Russell said, an approximation of the Löbian machine can probably be
>> derived from Bruno's post in Prolog.
>
>
> Then a &q
On 21 April 2018 at 22:38, Brent Meeker wrote:
>
>
> On 4/21/2018 3:31 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>
>> On 19 April 2018 at 21:47, Brent Meeker wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/18/2018 11:50 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 19 Ap
[Sorry for the formatting. I don't know what to do, gmail is becoming unusable]
On 22 April 2018 at 15:55, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Hi Telmo,
>
>
> On 21 Apr 2018, at 10:59, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
> Hi Bruno,
>
> Ok, but it is good to keep in mind that pagan gods w
On 22 April 2018 at 19:06, John Clark wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 3:21 AM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Maybe I've got my Latin wrong, please explain to me again what "ad
>>> >> hominem" means.
>>
>>
>> >
On 23 April 2018 at 16:14, John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 7:09 AM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
>> > The above is about how Bruno keeps answering your questions, and then
>> > you either pretend that he didn't
>
>
> Like the time just a few d
https://edwardfeser.blogspot.fr/2018/05/godel-and-unreality-of-time.html
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On 31 May 2018 at 03:38, Brent Meeker wrote:
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> Le mer. 30 mai 2018 à 20:29, Brent Meeker a écrit :
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>> On 5/30/2018 3:18 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> 2018-05-30 11:27 GMT+02:00 Lawrence Crowell
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On 31 May 2018 at 19:57, Brent Meeker wrote:
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> On 5/31/2018 2:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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>> You're a bit naughty Brent. You sometimes use this maneuver of
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> Physical theories of the brain, based on extensive empirical research, have
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The above statement is pseudoscience. Given that there is no
scientific instrument that can detect consciousness, no empirical
researc
On 1 June 2018 at 19:41, Brent Meeker wrote:
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On 1 June 2018 at 22:37, Brent Meeker wrote:
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> On 6/1/2018 7:49 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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On 3 June 2018 at 13:10, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> On 1 June 2018 at 22:37, Brent Meeker wrote:
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On 2 June 2018 at 17:10, John Clark wrote:
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On 3 June 2018 at 21:56, Brent Meeker wrote:
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On 3 June 2018 at 23:01, Brent Meeker wrote:
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On 4 June 2018 at 23:48, Brent Meeker wrote:
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> On 6/4/2018 7:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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> I am very grateful for mother medicine, but
> we should not pretend that its operative assumptions solve the
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> What fundamental question do y
On 4 June 2018 at 17:11, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On 4 June 2018 at 20:30, Brent Meeker wrote:
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>> Most scientists and scientifically-literate people I know assume that
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>> Yes, but why are the "lights on" inside me? Why are we not mechanisms,
>> that do exactly what you describe, but without a first-person
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> Ah, there's your problem. Science doesn't answer "why" questions. That's
> what I mean by people having an exaggerated idea of what
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