Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-20 Thread Jason Resch
I think in regards to conscious, you can't have one without the other. Both information and computation are needed, as the computation imparts meaning to the information, and the information accumulates meaning making each computation and its result more meaningful. If I sent you an arbitrary

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Kelly harmon...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 21, 11:31 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: We could say that a state A access to a state B if there is a universal machine (a universal number relation) transforming A into B. This works at the ontological

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Kelly harmon...@gmail.com wrote: I don't say that they are rare, I say they don't make any sense.  A big difference. I say that every possible event is perceived to happen, and so nothing is more or less rare than anything else.  There are only things that

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Kelly harmon...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 26, 2:01 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure that the measure problem can be so easily abandoned/ignored.  Assuming every Observer Moment had has an equal measure, then the random/white-noise

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-27 Thread Jason Resch
exclusive with happening more than once. The question is whether or not that makes any difference to the observer(s?). Jason On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Kelly harmon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: In fact I used that same

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 1:05 AM, russell standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: What you are talking about is what I call the Occam catastrophe in my book. The resolution of the paradox has to be that the random/white-noise filled OMs are in fact unable to be observed. In order for the

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The mathematical Universal Dovetailer, the splashed universal Turing Machine, the rational Mandelbrot set, or any creative sets in the sense of Emil Post, does all computations. Really all, with Church thesis. This is

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: With just arithmetic, when we stop to postulate a primitive or ontological material world, all primitive ad-hocness is removed, given that the existing internal interpretations are all determined, with their relative

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM, daddycay...@msn.com wrote: On May 7, 1:42 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: So - going back to God then, let's maybe do an OPV on him/her/it Hint: If I can't do an OPV on God, then I'm not convinced that: 1. God is a person (100% convinced)

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-12 Thread Jason Resch
John, Great question I am glad you asked it. I think I was driven to this list because of big questions, especially those which most people seem to believe are unanswerable. Questions such as: Where did this universe come from? Why are we here and why am I me? Is there a God? What is

Re: No MWI

2009-05-14 Thread Jason Resch
The following link shows convincingly that what one gains by accepting MWI is far greater than what one loses (an answer to the born probabilities) http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/05/if-many-worlds.html The only law in all of quantum mechanics that is non-linear, non-unitary,

Re: No MWI

2009-05-15 Thread Jason Resch
David Deutsch gives this convincing argument against a single world: that one can't explain how quantum computers work without postulating other universes. The evidence for the multiverse, according to Deutsch, is equally overwhelming. Admittedly, it's indirect, he says. But then, we can detect

Re: No MWI

2009-05-16 Thread Jason Resch
Right, I copied and pasted it and it must have lost the superscript. Thanks for catching that. Jason On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:48 PM, russell standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 05:40:09PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: Deutsch. If the number is 64, people can shut

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Indeed assuming comp I support Arithmetic - Mind - Matter I could almost define mind by intensional arithmetic: the numbers when studied by the numbers. This does not work because I have to say: the numbers as studied

Re: Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe

2009-06-01 Thread Jason Resch
I think these interviews provide a nice summary of his views: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ak5Lr3qkW0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mfbUhs2PVY I remember seeing an interview with him on TV about a decade ago and being very interested in his claim to be able to mathematically prove the

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-06-03 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Do you believe if we create a computer in this physical universe that it could be made conscious, But a computer is never conscious, nor is a brain. Only a person is conscious, and a computer or a brain can only make it

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-06-04 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 03 Jun 2009, at 20:11, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Do you believe if we create a computer in this physical universe that it could be made conscious

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries 2

2009-06-04 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:28 AM, kimjo...@ozemail.com.au kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On Thu Jun  4  1:15 , Bruno Marchal  sent: Very good answer, Kim, Just a few comments. and then the sequel. Exercice 4: does the real number square-root(2) belongs to {0, 1, 2, 3, ...}? No idea what

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-04 Thread Jason Resch
Torngy, How many numbers do you think exist between 0 and 1? Certainly not only the ones we define, for then there would be a different quantity of numbers between 1 and 2, or 2 and 3. Jason On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Torgny Tholerus tor...@dsv.su.se wrote: Brian Tenneson skrev:

Re: Ants are not conscious

2009-09-12 Thread Jason Resch
Dr Nick, I think part of what the mirror test attempts to establish is that the animal recognizes the reflection as itself, therefore showing the animal has a sense of itself as an independent actor within an environment as opposed to simply an ego-less series of experiences. If an irritant were

Re: Why I am I?

2009-12-06 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:35 PM, soulcatcher☠ soulcatche...@gmail.comwrote: Are you physicalist? I just don't know. All my everyday experience points towards physicalism: I'm a brain, embodied in a physical body, embedded in a physical environment and evolved via several billion year

Re: Why I am I?

2009-12-10 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But if numbers can just exist, and matter can just exist, then why can't conscious experiences just exist? Numbers can just exist, and this is the last unsolvable mystery. Yet we can explain (assuming comp) why

Re: Why I am I?

2009-12-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Though in another way I think we already have a theory of everything a theory can explain *ultimately* (which is *not even remotely* close to everything, since the more you trascend a theory the bigger the

New Paper by Thomas Hertog and Stephen Hawking

2009-12-28 Thread Jason Resch
Described in this article: http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=2617 This summation of all paths, proposed in the 1960s by physicist Richard Feynman and others, is the only way to explain some of the bizarre properties of quantum particles, such as their apparent ability to be in two

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/14 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com: Given the ways ASSA has been defined, I think there are two possible camps within ASSA. One that believes there is a next moment for you to experience, chosen

Everything List Survey

2010-01-13 Thread Jason Resch
All, I've created a basic survey regarding common topics of discussion on the everything list. I think the results would be quite interesting. It is available here: http://freeonlinesurveys.com/rendersurvey.asp?sid=n32533346wr4fp0694426 If others come forward with a lot of suggestions for

Re: Everything List Survey

2010-01-13 Thread Jason Resch
, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: All, I've created a basic survey regarding common topics of discussion on the everything list. I think the results would be quite interesting. It is available here: http://freeonlinesurveys.com/rendersurvey.asp?sid

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:10 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/1/14 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com: I agree, there is no subjective difference. But I think there is a logical difference, if you are only your current OM why go to work when some other OM will enjoy

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:22 PM, russell standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:21:34AM -0600, Jason Resch wrote: If you don't believe they are you, that would imply when you put a pot of coffee on the stove, you do so out of altruism. Since it only benefits those

Re: Everything List Survey

2010-01-16 Thread Jason Resch
There have now been 26 responses. This will be the final time I collect the results to send out, so for now the poll can be considered closed. In summary: 65% of people believe who took the survey believe everything exists, with an equal percentage accepting mathematical realism. Slightly

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: What caused it to exist? Who said it needs a cause? Why this reality as opposed to nothing? Given the principle of

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Brent Meeker meeke

Re: measure again '10

2010-01-27 Thread Jason Resch
Jack, What you mentioned ending the existence of a suffering copy can be positive. I am curious, would you consider ending any observer whose quality of life was less than the average weighted (by number of copies) quality of life of all observers everywhere? Consider this example:

Re: problem of size '10

2010-01-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Jack Mallah jackmal...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm replying to this bit seperately since Bruno touched on a different issue than the others have. My reply to the main measure again '10 thread will follow under the original title. --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Bruno Marchal

Re: the redness of the red

2010-01-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM, soulcatcher☠ soulcatche...@gmail.comwrote: I see a red rose. You see a red rose. Is your experience of redness the same as mine? 1. Yes, they are identical. 2. They are different as long as neural organization of our brains is slightly different, but you are

Re: the redness of the red

2010-01-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM, soulcatcher☠ soulcatche...@gmail.comwrote: I see a red rose. You see a red rose. Is your experience of redness the same as mine? 1. Yes, they are identical. 2. They are different

Re: the redness of the red

2010-01-31 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM, soulcatcher☠ soulcatche...@gmail.comwrote: I see a red rose. You see a red rose. Is your experience of redness the same as mine? 1. Yes, they are identical. 2. They are different as long as neural organization of our brains is slightly different, but you are

Re: the redness of the red

2010-02-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:05 AM, soulcatcher☠ soulcatche...@gmail.comwrote: What would you say about this setup: Computer Simulation-Physical Universe-Your Brain That is to say, what if our physical universe were simulated in some alien's computer instead of being some primitive physical

Re: the redness of the red

2010-02-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:27 AM, soulcatcher☠ soulcatche...@gmail.comwrote: Do you see the meaning of physical laws being somehow different from the programmed laws that simulate an environment? Yes, I feel that simulated mind is not identical to the real one. Simulation is only the extension

Re: the redness of the red

2010-02-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, soulcatcher☠ soulcatche...@gmail.comwrote: I think those simulated persons would be conscious. The possibility of superintelligence that creates worlds in its dreams kinda freaks me out :) Carl Sagan in Cosmos said that in the Hindu religion, there are an

Re: the redness of the red

2010-02-01 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:10 PM, soulcatcher☠ soulcatche...@gmail.comwrote: Let me explain with example. Suppose, that you: 1. simulate my brain in a computer program, so we can say that this program represents my brain in your symbols. 2. simulate a red rose 3. feed rose data into my

Re: Definition of universe

2010-02-02 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: UDA = Universal Dovetailer Argument. It is an argument which is supposed to show that if we take seriously the idea that we are digitally emulable, then we have to take seriously the idea that physics is a branch of

Re: Definition of universe

2010-02-03 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 03 Feb 2010, at 03:00, Jason Resch wrote: Is your point that with addition, multiplication, and an infinite number of successive symbols, any computable function can be constructed? You can say so. You could also

Re: Definition of universe

2010-02-04 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 03 Feb 2010, at 15:49, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 03 Feb 2010, at 03:00, Jason Resch wrote: Is your point that with addition, multiplication

Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-21 Thread Jason Resch
On the many-worlds FAQ: http://www.anthropic-principle.com/preprints/manyworlds.html It states that many-worlds implies that worlds split rather than multiple, identical, pre-existing worlds differentiate: Q19 Do worlds differentiate or split? - Can we regard the

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:07 PM, rmiller rmil...@legis.com wrote: To me, the Many-Minds interpretation requires significant changes in frames of reference. Suppose you view a particular world out of many as a 2-dimensional surface. Layers of surfaces comprise the local environment of a

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:56 AM, Charles charlesrobertgood...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 23, 8:42 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: I think it's an example of the radiation arrow of time making a time-reversed process impossible - or maybe just vanishingly improbable. Bruce

Re: Many-worlds vs. Many-Minds

2010-02-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Feb 25, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Charles charlesrobertgood...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 26, 6:38 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: One approach to the problem that I heard regarding the arrow of time relates to the fact that storing information (either by the brain or in a DNA

Re: [Fwd: The Brain's Dark Energy Scien amer]

2010-02-26 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Charles charlesrobertgood...@gmail.comwrote: On Feb 23, 9:02 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: But recent analysis produced by neuroimaging technologies has revealed something quite remarkable: a great deal of meaningful activity is occurring

Re: everything-list and the Singularity

2010-04-04 Thread Jason Resch
Hello Skeletori, Welcome to the list. I enjoy your comments and rationalization regarding personal identity and of why we should consider I to be the universe / multiverse / or the everything. I have some comments regarding the technological singularity below. On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 5:23 PM,

Re: everything-list and the Singularity

2010-04-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Skeletori sami.per...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think anyone would argue that the amount knowledge possessed by our civilization is not increasing. If the physical laws of this universe are deterministic then there is some algorithm describing the process

Re: everything-list and the Singularity

2010-04-09 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Skeletori sami.per...@gmail.com wrote: I think for the hardware design to be so great it took a 10 billion years to find the next speedup, the design would have to be close to the best possible hardware that could be built given the physical laws.

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-11 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:40 AM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Skeletori sami.per...@gmail.com wrote: My hope and wish is that by this time, wealth and the economy as we know it will be obsolete. In a virtual world, where anyone can do or experience

Re: Was:Singularity - Re: Intelligence

2010-04-12 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:13 PM, silky michaelsli...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: [...] In an uploaded state you could spend all day eating from an unlimited buffet of any food you could think of (and more) and get neither full

Re: The 'no miracles' argument against scientific realism

2010-04-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:01 PM, rexallen...@gmail.com rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: Let's assume that our best scientific theories tell us something true about the way the world *really* is, in an ontological sense. And further, for simplicity, let's assume a deterministic interpretation

Re: PSYCHE Vol 16 #1 ... essay

2010-06-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You have added the UTM and its variants to the pile. Any of these could be just as right as you think COMP is. I have no idea about the truth status of Digital Mechanism, except nothing in nature suggest it to be

Re: Kabbalah and the Multiverse

2010-06-16 Thread Jason Resch
Rabbi Rabbit, Forgive me if I missed this elsewhere in your posts, but is there the assumption somewhere that the name of God is 22 Hebrew letters long? If that is the case and some letters may be missing and others repeated, then you are correct about there being 22^22 combinations. If every

Re: Does time exist?

2010-07-16 Thread Jason Resch
The conventional view of time is that only one point in time is real, the present, and that that time flows at a certain rate. People believe that in order to experience the flow of time, the past moment must disappear, and a new moment must become real, but this can be logically shown to be

Re: Implications of Tononi's IIT?

2010-07-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Allen Kallenbach allenkallenb...@yahoo.cawrote: Considering this, can consciousness be Turing emulable? That is, can a Turing machine integrate information? I want to expand my question here, but I don't have the knowledge to do so without distracting

Re: Implications of Tononi's IIT?

2010-07-23 Thread Jason Resch
and their behavior remains the same. That isn't true with the Mar's rover, whose software must evaluate the pattern across the memory locations to identify and avoid objects. You cannot separate the mar's rover into components which that behave identically in isolation. On 7/23/2010 12:15 AM, Jason

Re: Implications of Tononi's IIT?

2010-07-23 Thread Jason Resch
2010/7/23 Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com I am very familiar with Tononi's definition of information integration, but if it is something that neurons do it is certainly something computers can do as well. Sorry, I meant to say that I am *not *very familiar... Jason -- You received

Re: Implications of Tononi's IIT?

2010-07-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Allen allenkallenb...@yahoo.ca wrote: On 7/24/2010 12:55 AM, Jason Resch wrote: In the case of a digital camera, you could say the photodectors each map directly to memory locations and so they can be completely separated and their behavior remains the same

Re: numbers?

2010-07-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Mark Buda her...@acm.org wrote: Numbers exist not in any physical sense but in the same sense that any idea exists - they exist in the sense that minds exist that believe logical propositions about them. They exist because minds believe logical propositions

Re: numbers?

2010-07-30 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.comwrote: On 7/29/2010 10:25 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Mark Buda her...@acm.org wrote: Numbers exist not in any physical sense but in the same sense that any idea exists - they exist

Re: What's wrong with this?

2010-08-27 Thread Jason Resch
David, Your question reminds me of the phrase (I wish I could recall the source) Who pushes who around inside the brain? Is it the lowest level reductionist view of microscopic particles or do the macroscopic brain states end up causally affecting microscopic states of individual neurons and

Re: Compatibilism

2010-11-18 Thread Jason Resch
Rex, Your post reminded me of the quote (of which I cannot recall the source) where someone asked Who pushes who around inside the brain?, meaning is it the matter that causes thought to move around a certain way, or is it the opposite? The looped hierarchies described by Hofstadter, if present,

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

2010-11-20 Thread Jason Resch
Ronald, Right, I think that is what he implied and it is something I agree with. There is only so much that can be learned about this universe, and physical exploration by locomotion or even observation is limited in many ways. Rather than moving around to other places to see what can be, with

Re: Compatibilism

2010-11-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: But I also deny that mechanism can account for consciousness (except by fiat declaration that it does). Rex, I am interested in your reasoning against mechanism. Assume there is were an] mechanical brain composed of

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

2010-11-25 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:50 PM, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com wrote: Jason: I see what you are saying up at our level of understanding, I do not know how to present that in a technically convincing matter. Ronald Which message in

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

2010-11-27 Thread Jason Resch
even if real. Bruno's reality is equally hard to convincing present. Ronald On Nov 26, 12:02 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:50 PM, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com wrote: Jason: I see what you are saying up at our

Re: Against Mechanism

2010-11-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: But I also deny that mechanism can account for consciousness

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

2010-11-27 Thread Jason Resch
Ronald, There is also a thread with some other good justifications for the belief in everything: https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/browse_thread/thread/6c77322d47582932/16f35cf51ed74d1c?lnk=gstq=wei+dai#16f35cf51ed74d1c Jason On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Jason Resch jasonre

Re: Compatibilism

2010-11-28 Thread Jason Resch
Rex, You're mention of whose definition was closer to that of the common person intrigued me. I decided to look up what some dictionaries said on the matter: From: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/free+will dictionary.com –noun 1. free and independent choice; voluntary decision: You took

Re: Against Mechanism

2010-11-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Rex Allen rexallen31...@gmail.com wrote: Information is just a catch-all term for what is being represented

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

2010-11-30 Thread Jason Resch
arguments. Tell me if you have a problem with the subjective (first person) indeterminacy. Thanks. Bruno On Nov 26, 12:02 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:50 PM, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com wrote: Jason: I see what you

Re: Brain as quantum computer

2010-12-02 Thread Jason Resch
Tegmark published a paper which largely refutes the idea that neurons use quantum interference to perform any useful computation: http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9907009 In short, the brain is far to hot and uncontrolled to maintain decoherence for the time periods involved in neural processes.

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

2010-12-14 Thread Jason Resch
Ron, I think the path to seeing the mind as a program is easier in this way: 1. It's not what the parts of the brain are made of its how they function which determines behavior 2. This leads to the idea of multiple realizability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_realizability (Brains can be

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

2010-12-16 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:57 AM, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com wrote: Jason: I do not think a neutron take more trhan a finite amount of voltage to be able to fire. I do wonder if merely replacing the bio parts by processing hardware, do you lose the part of the complexity of the mind?

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

2010-12-18 Thread Jason Resch
/ Life_Support_(Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine) Ronald On Dec 16, 11:39 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:57 AM, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com wrote: Jason: I do not think a neutron take more trhan

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

2010-12-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But then a digital machine cannot see the difference between its brain emulated by a physical device, of by the true existence of the proof of the Sigma_1 relation which exists independently of us in arithmetic. Some

Re: advice needed for Star Trek talk

2010-12-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Dec 2010, at 03:15, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: But then a digital machine cannot see the difference between its brain emulated by a physical

Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment

2012-09-29 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Saturday, September 29, 2012 1:41:25 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: But leaving that obvious fact aside, the other obvious fact is that

Re: Evolution outshines reason by far

2012-10-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/5/2012 2:04 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Dear john: 2012/10/4 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com Wrote: Mother Nature (Evolution) is a slow and stupid tinkerer, it had over

Re: Evolution outshines reason by far

2012-10-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/5/2012 4:56 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/5/2012 2:04 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Dear john: 2012/10/4 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com

Re: Evolution outshines reason by far

2012-10-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/5/2012 8:00 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/5/2012 4:56 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Epiphenomenalism

2012-10-05 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 9/29/2012 10:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Indeed. I think 17 is intrinsically a prime number in all possible realities. It is not a reality in a world that only has 16 objects in it. I can come up with

Re: Epiphenomenalism

2012-10-06 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 10/6/2012 1:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 9/29/2012 10:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Indeed. I think 17 is intrinsically a prime

Re: On Zuckerman's paper

2012-10-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 10/7/2012 4:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Oct 2012, at 21:27, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/6/2012 2:51 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 06 Oct 2012, at 17:40, Stephen P. King wrote: On 10/6/2012 4:25 AM,

Re: On Zuckerman's paper

2012-10-08 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Stephen, Bruno, and Jason, Do I understand correctly that comp requires a relative measure on the set of all partial computable functions and that for Steven Both abstractions, such as numbers and

Continuous Game of Life

2012-10-11 Thread Jason Resch
http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/10/smoothlifel/ Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

Re: My First Televised Interview

2012-10-14 Thread Jason Resch
Craig, Congratulations. I think the episode is very good. To me, your ideas come though a lot more clearly in this media than in text. Jason On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: Well, local community TV anyways. Jose is a great host, producer, and

Re: Are we part of a vast, living and 3D holographic simulation

2012-10-15 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:56 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/15/2012 7:33 AM, John Clark wrote: Nick Bostrum, a philosopher at Oxford University wrote an interesting paper on this subject: http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html The following is from the

Re: Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle in Doubt

2012-10-18 Thread Jason Resch
This must be what the Heisenberg compensators do in star trek. :-) Jason On 10/18/12, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Dan, I think the implication for MWI is that such weak measurements do not cause the universe to split into a different version for each possible quantum state. I

Re: Continuous Game of Life

2012-10-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi John, On 20 Oct 2012, at 23:16, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, especially in my identification as responding to relations. Now the Self? IT certainly refers to a more sophisticated level of thinking, more so than the

Re: Continuous Game of Life

2012-10-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Oct 2012, at 19:29, John Clark wrote: Well I don't know about you but I don't think my consciousness was there before Evolution figured out how to make brains, I believe this because I can't seem to remember

Re: Continuous Game of Life

2012-10-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:46 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I stopped reading after your proof of the existence of a new type of indeterminacy never seen before because the proof was in error, so there was no point

Re: One more nail in comp's coffin.

2012-10-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Bruno, My own subjectivity is 1p. I don't believe a computer can have consciousness, but suppose we let the computer have consciousness as well. Let a descriptor be 3p. Let my consciousness = 1p But the

Re: One more nail in comp's coffin.

2012-10-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Oct 24, 2012, at 6:33 AM, Roger Cloughrclo...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Jason Resch No, have proven solipsism. What? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/24/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Jason

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-10-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:21:23 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/23/2012 6:33 PM, Max Gron wrote: On Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:19:08 AM UTC+10:30, Rex Allen wrote: On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jason

Re: Continuous Game of Life

2012-10-24 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Oct 2012, at 18:42, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi John, On 20 Oct 2012, at 23:16, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, especially in my identification

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