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Re: KIM 2.1

2008-12-24 Thread John Mikes
is wrong with the Constitution... - The attorney (who was friendly warned) laughed and let him pass. * Happy New Year! John On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Kim, On 20 Dec 2008, at 06:06, Kim Jones wrote: Hmmm... My diagnostic is that you are suffering

Re: Reality

2008-12-25 Thread John Mikes
of that particular 'theory' - in the case of this list: physical-mathematical aspects. John M On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:19 PM, M.A. marty...@bellsouth.net wrote: Not being mathematically inclined, I don't feel comfortable with a reality of numbers. But if it's the only game in town, I can

Re: Reality

2008-12-28 Thread John Mikes
with 'MJ': Tnanks for the reply John On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, On 25 Dec 2008, at 14:46, John Mikes wrote: Bruno et al.: I don't feel comfortable with the view reality *OF* something. Reality IMO is the unfathomable existence (whatever

Re: Kim 2.4 - 2.5

2009-01-08 Thread John Mikes
only the 'stuff' limited into our model, cannot include effects from 'the rest of the world', so we cannot tell a 'probability' of the 'next' occurrence at all. Ominscient is different. I am not. Thanks for an interesting reading. John M On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Bruno Marchal marc

Re: Kim 2.4 - 2.5

2009-01-09 Thread John Mikes
- physics). (Anyway this side-line was far from 'random' or 'probabiliyt' the focus of my post.) John M On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.comwrote: John Mikes wrote: Dear Bruno, I decided so many times not to reflect to the esoteric sci-fi assumptions (thought

Re: Kim 2.4 - 2.5

2009-01-10 Thread John Mikes
/~kono/ELEC565/Aspect_Nature.pdf for a refresher. John M On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.comwrote: John Mikes wrote: Brent wrote: ...But the EPR experiments show that this can only hold if the influence of the rest of the world is non-local (i.e

Re: Exact Theology was:Re: Kim 2.4 - 2.5

2009-01-12 Thread John M
Bruno, sorry for taking it jokingly (ref: Steinhart): Latest research revealed that  Shakespeare's oeuvre was not written by William Shakespeare, but by quite another man named William Shakespeare. John   From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything

Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

2009-01-13 Thread John Mikes
'between' universes. How far is U3 from U145? Does Multiverse have a space-system? * Ccness? what type? I find even Bruno's version restricted, although my version (response to infirmation) is applicable in computing, I just figure more planes than just Platonic (i.e. numerical? math?) objects. John

Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

2009-01-14 Thread John Mikes
meanings? I wish to look further - especially on this list. John On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/1/14 John Mikes jami...@gmail.com: Stathis, common sense, not always applicable to math-related topics is startled before a task

Re: Newbie Questions

2009-01-21 Thread John Mikes
second): the transition of NO TIME into a 'time-system' - expressed in terms of physical quantization applied to the Big Bang conditions. I don't want to start an argument on this, I am not ready - it is a narrative. Have a good 2009 John Mikes On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Stephen Paul King

Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

2009-01-23 Thread John Mikes
(Colin's mini-solipsism, the 1st person 'perceived reality' of each of us). Have a good weekend John M On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jan 2009, at 13:21, Kim Jones wrote: Bruno, Have a wonderful day, sensei! You too, other sensei. Have

Re: COMP, Quantum Logic and Gleason's Theorem

2009-01-28 Thread John Mikes
', so the 'enumerable theories' are OK. With such handicap in my thinking it is hard to fully follow the flow of the (A)UDA dicussions. I try. Best regards John M On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Günther Greindl guenther.grei...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Bruno, thanks for the good

Re: COMP, Quantum Logic and Gleason's Theorem

2009-01-31 Thread John Mikes
Kim, beware of your heroic offer! I read some books in both the original and translated formats and KNOW that they are different. Not only has the translator his 1st person understanding of WHAT to translate, the words convey the new language's ambiguity for the reader's OWN 1st person

Re: consciousness and self-awareness

2009-02-07 Thread John Mikes
(at least our views about it). The ancients had is 'simplicate'-ly. Oriental philosophy acknowledged our ignorance and blurrly built upon it. (so do Zadeh and the 'fuzzy' scientists nowadays). Best regards John Mikes On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Brian Tenneson tenn...@gmail.com wrote

Re: COMP, Quantum Logic and Gleason's Theorem

2009-02-08 Thread John Mikes
Günther, *please see inserted in JM: lines* John On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Günther Greindl guenther.grei...@gmail.com wrote: John, my way to the number reality was convoluted, but in looking back maybe two books could give you the central idea: Lakoff and Nunez: Where does

Re: The Seventh Step 1 (Numbers and Notations)

2009-02-11 Thread John Mikes
a question: how would one note 1 billion on the planet of centipeds with 8 fingers on all 100 feet? (Don't answer, please). (Q2: which billion? the 1000M or the MM?) John M On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Kim, I told you that to grasp the seventh

Re: A summary I just wrote for my blog

2009-02-12 Thread John Mikes
Kim, I presume you have clear ideas about what 'life' may be (to live?) and the a-temporal distinction of 'ever'. (It is definitely not = 'a long long time'). I paraphrase you wisdom as: time in our opinion goes as long as we live(?) so 'after that' is not identified. My reasons for not

Re: The Seventh Step 1 (Numbers and Notations)

2009-02-12 Thread John Mikes
My present inserts in Italics - some parts of the posts erased for brevity John On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Feb 2009, at 23:46, John Mikes wrote: (...) Not that if I see 'I' that means 1, but if I see 'III' that does

Re: physical laws as optimal inference

2009-02-14 Thread John Mikes
Nisheeth? there are a dozen pdf Google hits in that 'half' name. Diverse titles, topics, even several different personal names. Do you have a hint WHAT to (and whom to) look at? Are you at Georgia Tech? JohnM On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Do it

Re: Copying?

2009-02-22 Thread John Mikes
) of the scientist - observing the fiery globe of the universe in his ashtray sitting at the fireplace.* WE look at copying? * John M On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.netwrote: *Hi Brent and Stathis,* - Original Message - From: Brent Meeker meeke

Re: Personal Identity and Ethics

2009-02-22 Thread John Mikes
? Wunderlandistically yours John M On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/2/21 Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net: Hi Stathis, A question : Is is incorrect of me to infer that the psychological criterion of personal identity

Re: Personal Identity and Ethics

2009-02-23 Thread John Mikes
not like to be identified with that earlier 'John' - say: 2 year old, or fetus, without mental experiences and capabilities. (This was the question I re-asked a Muslim when she referred to an earlier me to get to Heaven, instead of the sick old senile dying folks - what I asked originally.) John Mikes

Re: Personal Identity and Ethics

2009-02-24 Thread John Mikes
Sorry, Stathis: to your #1 reply: are you equating mind and soul? That would solve a lot of problems (without making sense for many). to your #2 reply: artifact free choice of whatever seems 'best'. You might be yearning for being a much 'better' person in many respects. Makes no sense. John M

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-02-27 Thread John Mikes
Ha Ha). Otherwise where would the replicas come from and where would they go? (Probably the notion comes from the backup mode of your computer and the file backup updated every Sunday). John M On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.comwrote: Stathis Papaioannou wrote

Re: The Seventh Step 2 (Numbers and Sets: facultary!)

2009-03-06 Thread John Mikes
that computes. So far I still have my questions. Sorry. John M On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Kim, hi John, hi People, Kim provided me with an excellent answer to my preceding post (out-of- line though). And John told me he was impatient to see my

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-09 Thread John Mikes
(complexity). * ((you promised an explanatory post to my askings - I am in a hurry to write down these remarks, because MAYBE after your explanations these would not make senseG)) John M On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 Mar 2009, at 18:06, Günther Greindl

Re: Wolfram Alpha

2009-03-10 Thread John Mikes
(intelligence and its workings) to make an artificial approach for its mechanisation. Maybe a better contraption is also needed for such than our present binary embryonic - level toy. John M On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: http://www.kurzweilai.net/email

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-12 Thread John Mikes
sophisticated systems, if I dare say: 'analogue'?) - - -proposal for vocabulary - - - John M On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Günther Greindl guenther.grei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, 1-OM, (by step 7, correspond to infinity (aleph_zero) of 3-OMs, themselves embedded in bigger infinities (2

Re: Changing the past by forgetting

2009-03-16 Thread John Mikes
'think' creatively and profusely about millions of dollars to get rich? I will). Respectfully John Mikes On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Saibal Mitra smi...@zeelandnet.nl wrote: Thanks! This is like undoing historical events. If you forget about the fact that dinosaurs ever lived on Earth

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-03-23 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, I enjoyed your pretty comprehensive post! Thanks! John PS one little question: have you ever been 'present' when in REM? JM On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Johnathan, Kim, Stathis I agree with you Johnathan. Scientists learn a lot from

Re: d'Espagnat wins Templeton Award

2009-03-26 Thread John Mikes
*disasterous*. So I humbly ask you not to make up *MY* mind. I may have a different creativity (G) or more simply: I amy be wrong. Agnostically yours John M On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 20/03/2009, at 6:37 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Kim

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-03-26 Thread John Mikes
in highschool the 'eminent' pupil, who knew everything asking: Well, George, which king in what year did what to whom? (he answered precisely 'a case' - ha ha). We are so smart in our partial knowledge. Respectfully John M On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-03-28 Thread John Mikes
domain. John On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi John, On 23 Mar 2009, at 23:44, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, I enjoyed your pretty comprehensive post! Thanks! John PS one little question: have you ever been 'present' when in REM? I feel like I am

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-03-30 Thread John Mikes
the ticket, the homuncula helps you back into it. John M On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/3/30 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Kelly, and others, Well, thanks for your report. Did you smoke the extract? It usually last for 4

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-04-03 Thread John Mikes
. - *RELATIONS.* I can make one statement and that looks to me unbeatable (as well as unprovable): *We don't know, but think (feel?) we do*. Have a good springtime John M On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.comwrote: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/4/2 Bruno Marchal

Re: Altered states of consciousness

2009-04-04 Thread John Mikes
about so eloquently and savantly. The bad part is: we believe in our science and do not start thinking outside the box, so our ignorance gets more and more firm. A fresh start? After all those millennia of 'wisdom', Nobels et al.? John M On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Brent Meeker meeke

Re: New Thinkers Website

2009-04-17 Thread John Mikes
. I neglected a deeper search THEN. I will look into the DeBobo oeuvre again, because I value YOUR recommendation. Thanks. With friendship John Mikes On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: http://www.debonosociety.com/ What's important? Thinking is perhaps

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-21 Thread John Mikes
language - maybe. John M PS. My version of consciousness (universal): the course of responding to information (that is: in the above described sense). ANY. JM On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@hotmail.comwrote: Brent Meeker wrote: I think meaning ultimately must be grounded

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-21 Thread John Mikes
explanations of any cultural era (and changing fast). John M On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Apr 2009, at 18:59, Brent Meeker wrote: The question was whether information was enough, or whether something else is needed for consciousness. I think

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-28 Thread John Mikes
Stathis, I think Bruno is not realistic enough. Here is a better story - a solution to understand the situation: - *The Financial Crisis Explained* Heidi is the proprietor of a bar in Berlin . In order to increase sales, she decides to allow her loyal customers - most of whom are

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-03 Thread John Mikes
it is (not what it does or how it can be measured). And the construct(?) that includes it all. I am also hung up with 'function' (activity) and the 'observer' (self, I) what seems to be so natural in the nth level consequence using them. John M ** On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-03 Thread John Mikes
of a functional (operative) relation that would lend some dynamism (action?) into the descriptional stagnancy. I still did not detect: *HOW?* John M On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Maudlin's point is that the causal structure has no physical role, so if you

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-11 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, who was that French poet who made puns after death? JohnM On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 May 2009, at 19:15, Torgny Tholerus wrote: Bruno Marchal skrev: On 07 May 2009, at 18:29, Torgny Tholerus wrote: Bruno Marchal skrev:

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-12 Thread John Mikes
late, let's go to sleep. Well??? (I believe this is the most meaningful word in English) John M On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi John, On 11 May 2009, at 22:49, John Mikes wrote: who was that French poet who made puns after death

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-13 Thread John Mikes
got as enrichment in the epistemic cognitive inventory and call it 'truth'. Any further learned information is stored(?) as interpreted into our own ways. No two persons have identical knowledge, belief, or thinking. John M On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-14 Thread John Mikes
identification is NO democratic voting matter, if 100 so called 'experts' voice an opinion I may still represent the right one in a single-vote different position. Thanks for your input John M On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/5/13 John Mikes jami

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-17 Thread John Mikes
Let me please insert my remarks into this remarkable chain of thoughts below (my inserts in bold) John M On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.comwrote: Kelly Harmon wrote: I think your discussing the functional aspects of consciousness. AKA, the easy problems

Re: Victor Korotkikh

2009-05-17 Thread John Mikes
concepts. I cannot 'change' the no-time into another one. G John M (PS: also waiting for a 'readable' new version of UDA). JM On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Ronald, On 15 May 2009, at 14:25, ronaldheld wrote: Bruno: I will wait for your

Re: logic mailing list

2009-05-18 Thread John Mikes
, not as intro- or post- chapters. They were just applied from page 1. So I gave up. John M On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Abram, On 24 Apr 2009, at 18:55, Abram Demski wrote: I'm starting a mailing list for logic, and I figured some people from here

Re: logic mailing list

2009-05-19 Thread John Mikes
don't feel like staring to change my ways of thinking - anew. Please, count me out. John On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Abram Demski abramdem...@gmail.com wrote: I was looking at a dozen books as well and did not find those signes explained, not in footnotes, not in appendicis

Re: logic mailing list

2009-05-19 Thread John Mikes
of the model, the content, the statistics and probability will change as well. Even the causality circumstances (so elusive in my views). * ** *Regards* *John* ** ** On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi John, On 18 May 2009, at 21:00, John Mikes wrote

Re: logic mailing list

2009-05-20 Thread John Mikes
ignorance in my questions/remarks on what I think I sort of understood. I may be 'on the other side'. Best regards John On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 May 2009, at 00:01, John Mikes wrote: As always, thanks, Bruno for taking the time

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-23 Thread John Mikes
to. (Leaving open the term 'you - conscious' as a deus ex machina quale-addition for the replacement). Just looking through differently colored goggles. John Mikes On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.comwrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 May 2009, at 18:25

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-29 Thread John Mikes
(random?) elements come into play? (Isn't THAT also a human idea by the darn consciousness?) I planed to illustrate my basis and presently developed best own belief system, but it is not of general interest and I don't want to persuade (convert? seduce?) anybody to similar position. Peace! John

Re: Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe

2009-06-01 Thread John Mikes
a snobbish preference for certain domains in the cognitive inventory by the organizers of the particular test. People with other background may fail. John M On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:16 PM, russell standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: I looked into him about a month or so ago, after he'd posted

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-07 Thread John Mikes
an expansion upo the 'possible' hoax.* Jesse *John M* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com

Re: The seven step-Mathematical preliminaries

2009-06-10 Thread John Mikes
society where the communication consisted of direct transfer of ideas. There was NO discussion. Respectfully John Mikes On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Torgny Tholerus tor...@dsv.su.se wrote: Jesse Mazer skrev: Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:17:03 +0200 From: tor...@dsv.su.se To: everything

Re: When is this?

2009-06-15 Thread John Mikes
to be above(G) such. (=Outside this box). With 'immortality' I connect our thinking in time, the ordinating relation for* this* universe and our thinking *within*, (for)'ever' is not a timely term, so eternity may be atemporal. - Q or not. Regards John Mikes On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Re: The seven step series

2009-06-30 Thread John Mikes
, (who's?) - with thanks so far John Mikes On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Johnathan, On 29 Jun 2009, at 17:22, Johnathan Corgan wrote: Bruno, I think you were off to a good start with your planned series of posts about the seven step argument

Re: The seven step series

2009-07-01 Thread John Mikes
the 'comma' part in the sets for next time. Thanks again and my mind works in crooked ways, if you can excuse me for that. It seems I need too much learning to catch up. John M -- On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal marc

Re: Non unique Universe

2009-07-02 Thread John Mikes
Brian, I started to read the text and found the 1st sentence: *In modern cosmology, a **multiverse is defined to be a collection of possible physical universes* that pissed me off: 'possible' in our today's sense includes many 'impossibilities' in the sense of a mindset of 1000 years ago and I

set incompleteness

2009-07-04 Thread John Mikes
uncertainty. John M --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything

set

2009-07-04 Thread John Mikes
are unlimited, there is no way WE (in our present, limited mind) could exclude uncertainty FOR 'ANY' THING. Sets included. Occamisation of a set does not make it rigorous, just neglects additional uncertainty. Have a good weekend John --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received

Re: set

2009-07-05 Thread John Mikes
'Occam' the ultimate reductionism. * *(I wonder if Russell will excommunicate me for that?) * *John* Original message: On 04 Jul 2009, at 22:42, John Mikes wrote: Dear Bruno, thanks for the prompt reply, I wait for your further explanations. You inserted a remark after quoting from my post

Re: The seven step series

2009-07-12 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, when I looked at the set-analysis it immediately popped up that {1,3} was missing, - YET - this *fantasticG* discovery of mine did not bring me closer to the idea what are numbers. It seems I can win the battle and still lose the war. John On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:05 PM, m.a. marty

Re: The seven step series

2009-07-14 Thread John Mikes
indicated that ANYTHING can form a set) the relations of the set-partners comes into play. Not only those which WE choose for 'interesting' to such set, but ALL OF THEM influencing the character of that *ONE.* *Just musing.* ** John On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be

Re: The seven step series

2009-07-16 Thread John Mikes
*Please read between your lines included in bold* letters *John * On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 4:13 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Jul 2009, at 00:50, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, I appreciate your grade-school teaching. We (I for one) can use it. I still find that whatever you

Re: Dreaming On

2009-07-28 Thread John Mikes
that, I see an old artifax of a problem, how to save obsolescence into advancement. I am not ready to go into that. John Mikes On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:34 PM, David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/27 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com That's a bit of a straw man you're refuting

Re: Dreaming On

2009-07-30 Thread John Mikes
to return to this post with smarter reflections some time. John Mikes On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:52 AM, David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/28 John Mikes jami...@gmail.com: Hi John I really do not expect from you to give adequate replies to all these questions - it would make

Re: The seven step series

2009-07-30 Thread John Mikes
). And here is my problem: who does the plotting? (Do not say: YOU are, or Iam, that would add to the function concept the homunculus to make it from a written format into a F U N C T I O N ). John M On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: SOLUTIONS OK. I give

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-01 Thread John Mikes
approach and make a pars pro toto dream of it - we are wrong for sure. Have a healthy mountain-climb in Scottland John M On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 5:39 PM, David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com wrote: I note that the recent posts by Peter Jones - aka the mysterious 1Z, and the originator

Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-03 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, let me continue as 'enfent terrible': Isn't the Church Thesis - and whatever WE suspect by it - also human illusions? (Watch out: the next question will concern 'numbers'!) John M On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, Is not the difference

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-03 Thread John Mikes
application and it may be hard to differentiate from 'life', 'awareness', etc. usally applied. It may comply with Bruno's personal enlightnment and with Brent's conscious experience as well. I think. John M PS. to Bruno's entertainment: Isac Asimov wrote a most enjoyable (non-sci-fi) book - titled

Re: The seven step series

2009-08-04 Thread John Mikes
. * *** *[[ - I am enjoying your 'other' post where you spelled out my own vocabulary as indeed thinking functions as relations, lately not as a static description, but also the interchanging factor - ]]* ** *John* On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 02 Aug

Re: The seven step series

2009-08-05 Thread John Mikes
uniform pronunciation...). German proverb: Fremdworter sind glucksache (= foreign words are a matter of luck). A friend added: you can NEVER know what they mean. John On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: John, Thanks for those informations. I thought

Re: Against Physics

2009-08-17 Thread John Mikes
Rex, (I guess the unsigned text below came from you) thanks for your one-liner gemstone of a definition on Conscious Experience! John Mikes On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:11 PM, David Nymandavid.ny...@gmail.com wrote

RE: Emulation and Stuff - The Ross Model of our Universe

2009-08-18 Thread John Ross
at uspto.gov. Several earlier applications are listed in the first paragraph of the attached. These can now be down-loaded from the patent office website. Search for tronnies. John R. Ross V.P. Intellectual Property Trex Enterprises Corp. Office No. (858) 646-5488 Fax No. (858) 646-5500 -Original

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-25 Thread John Mikes
? Just musing John M On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:33 AM, David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/24 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: In the example of the alien brain, as has been pointed out, the context of meaning is to be discovered only in the its own local embodiment

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-29 Thread John Mikes
of? I did not understand your last par. (Not even the question upon which it was written). John On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 28 Aug 2009, at 17:58, Brent Meeker wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Aug 2009, at 19:21, Flammarion wrote

7 steps etc.

2009-09-01 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, I am waiting for your explanatory post(s) and anxiously read some several thousand pages with related topics. Unfortunately the technical examples and discussing their solutions are not much help. I cannot extract the now-and-then interlaced text-explanations, even if I find them,

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-03 Thread John Mikes
on ontological grounds. I wanted to get a glimps. Could you help? John M On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: Yablo and Gallois's paper Is ontology based on a mistake is quite relevant to the question of Platonism, specificall whether true matehmatical assertions of existence

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-06 Thread John Mikes
to be 'positive' to your ideas, as considered them in more ways than just 'arithmetically based' (numbers?). John On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 04 Sep 2009, at 19:21, Flammarion wrote: ... Bruno has been arguign that numbers exist because

Re: Brain-computer interface and quantum robots

2009-09-10 Thread John Mikes
-theoreticians on this list will include such results into 'machine-consciousness' etc. ideas. John M On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:06 AM, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com wrote: arXiv.org/abs/0909.1508 I saw the title and thought of what Bruno would make of it. Any thoughts

Re: Yablo, Quine and Carnap on ontology

2009-09-12 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, the more I read here on the Church thesis the less I know about it. Is there a short description in 'non-technical' words about the 'essence' you hold instrumental in the applications you apply? John M On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Flammarion peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote: On 4 Sep

Re: The seven step series

2009-09-17 Thread John Mikes
'funny') a n d :* If it is not part of your series *of* - what you call: - *natural numbers*, then *YOUR* series is wrong. We need another system (if we really need it). Your math pupil John, the 'commonsenser'. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote

Re: The seven step series

2009-09-17 Thread John Mikes
' person. I scribbled a 'qualitative' idea of thinking in 'wider' terms than the *defined* 'natural numbers' in a worldview of a (qualitative) totality - what I pursue, but do not understand in my sci.fic agnosticism. I am sorry if I bored you with my remark. John M On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Re: The seven step series

2009-09-18 Thread John Mikes
that was outside of them. Sorry, when it comes to speculation, I am jumpy. I did not know about those non-natural naturals. Have a good day John On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Sep 2009, at 18:17, John Mikes wrote: Dear Bruno, it is not very

Re: first-person vs third person view

2009-10-04 Thread John Mikes
Excellent points, Stathis. What I would add (maybe as my Ciceronian Ceterum censeo) is the lack of a knowable POV of P3: 'we' can only realize OUR version of understanding about it. The POV S1 = S2 is true only at the instantiation, because affter that both are under non-identical influences of

Re: first-person vs third person view

2009-10-05 Thread John Mikes
! ha ha) mind. Have a good week John Mikes On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/10/5 John Mikes jami...@gmail.com: Excellent points, Stathis. What I would add (maybe as my Ciceronian Ceterum censeo) is the lack of a knowable POV of P3: 'we

Re: The seven step series

2009-10-10 Thread John Mikes
the *bearded* males requiring a shave). * Q#2 is beyond me, I do not resort to a QM-pattern like Schrodinger's cat. (Sh/H)e is either-or, not both. John M On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi, I am so buzy that I have not the time to give long explanations, so

Re: request for glossary + announcement that the seventh step series thread will soon be resumed

2009-11-07 Thread John Mikes
Marty, how about my weird question: and if 1 is wrong and what he 'sees' as OA is only a replica of the OA and is WRONG? Is 'being a replica' a human priviledge? (Forget it!) John M On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 7:04 PM, m.a. marty...@bellsouth.net wrote: Bruno, Good to see you back! I

Re: Arguably The World's Greatest Woman

2009-11-14 Thread John Mikes
DON'T KNOW position. Best regards John Mikes On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Hi Kim, Thank you very luch for the link to Carolyn Porco's presentation. Very nice talk. I appreciate a lot. She is correct (even comp-correct) on the main thing: Science

Re: Why I am I?

2009-12-05 Thread John Mikes
(for me) arguments on the numbers-originated everything - in the wider sense. But this is not this thread). John Mikes PS now - it seems - I joined the choir. JM On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Dec 2009, at 01:30, Brent Meeker wrote: It is also

Re: Why I am I?

2009-12-06 Thread John Mikes
?) or on a public lecture, where questions and opposite opinions could be expected. Best for the hooiday season: this may be a present for Chirstmas. On St. Nicholas Day John Mikes On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Dec 2009, at 21:00, Rex Allen wrote

Re: Why I am I?

2009-12-06 Thread John Mikes
Rex, or Brent? (I am mixed up between th (-)s and the unmarked text. No signature. I rather paste my cpmment to the end of this posting, since it pertains to the last par.-s. John M On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Brent

Re: paper on view of reality

2009-12-18 Thread John Mikes
Ronald: WHAT is reality? 'physical' is one degree weaker, it is most likely based on observations we call 'physical' in the figment: physical world(view) - the poorly understood/explainable - as the article puts it: 'ontological in science' - explanatory figment. John M On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7

Re: Robotic Scientist

2009-12-27 Thread John Mikes
: I don't really understand what John works upon (when I had my 3rd patent disclosure with the company) and I said: - work with me for another 20 years, you may catch up. I wonder if a 'robot' can produce a noch nie dagewesen (Ger. for brand new) unrelated idea? I find a computer-related research

Re: Definition of universe

2009-12-29 Thread John Mikes
. It outlines a view about (our and other) universes in a not-so-scientific manner. Good luck to it and to other views John Mikes On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Mindey min...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was just wondering, we are talking so much about universes, but how do we define

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