On 14 Sep 2012, at 19:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/14/2012 6:10 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
The "evidence" has strong indications of being manipulated for
the purpose of a political agenda.
It is certainly cherry-picked by minions of the fossil fuel industry.
The way that the sensors are dis
so that everything could function."
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On 9/14/2012 9:04 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Alberto G. Corona
That's why I stick to orthod
On 9/14/2012 11:10 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/14/2012 1:10 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/14/2012 6:10 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
The "evidence" has strong indications of being manipulated for the purpose of a
political agenda.
It is certainly cherry-picked by minions of the fossil fuel i
On 9/14/2012 1:10 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/14/2012 6:10 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
The "evidence" has strong indications of being manipulated for
the purpose of a political agenda.
It is certainly cherry-picked by minions of the fossil fuel industry.
I would agree with you if the fossil
On 9/14/2012 6:10 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
The "evidence" has strong indications of being manipulated for the purpose of a
political agenda.
It is certainly cherry-picked by minions of the fossil fuel industry.
The way that the sensors are distributed and their data is weighed is the su
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Roger: right
But there are two types of people: the ones that know that bel
On 9/14/2012 4:02 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
There are different kinds of beliefs. The believer that has no strong
evidences, know that he believe. He know that he believe.
The second kind of believer does not know that he believe, because he
live in a environment where the evidences are unco
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Roger: right
But there are two types of people: the ones that know that believe,
that know that they are unfounded and the others that believe that
known, who don? kno
ere's no God, we'd have to invent him
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> 2012/9/13 Stathis
would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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2012/9/13 Stathis Papaioan
There are different kinds of beliefs. The believer that has no strong
evidences, know that he believe. He know that he believe.
The second kind of believer does not know that he believe, because he
live in a environment where the evidences are uncontested in the
environment where he lives. For ex
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:45 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
> I suppose that you mean that there are histories that everyone would
> identify as bullshit. Well, this changes nothing. A myth by definition
> is something believed by a group of people in the past. Most of them
> as intelligent or more
2012/9/13 Stathis Papaioannou :
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Alberto G. Corona
> wrote:
>> There is no difference at all between religious mitifications and other
>> mitifucatuons . See form, example the paper about Darwin that I posted.
>> religion is a label that appears when the mith is
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
> There is no difference at all between religious mitifications and other
> mitifucatuons . See form, example the paper about Darwin that I posted.
> religion is a label that appears when the mith is old enough it has enough
> believers and
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
?> God, being inextended,
If God is not extended then He must be very small and that could be the reason
we don't see Him. God is like a ger
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On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:56, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
What do we have that machines don't ?
Intelligence, consciousnness, awareness. feelin
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> God, being inextended,
>
If God is not extended then He must be very small and that could be the
reason we don't see Him. God is like a germ.
> is invisible to the scientific method and logic
>
I think you're correct about that, God make
nvent him
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> Note that the natural definition of Truth an
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Hi Jason Resch
What do we have that machines don't ?
Intelligence, consciousnn
nt him
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Note that the natural definition of Truth and reality that arises from a
evolutionarily-inform
27;s no God, we'd have to invent him
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Belief
we'd have to invent him
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On 9/11/2012 5:58 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Ro
Note that the natural definition of Truth and reality that arises from a
evolutionarily-informed theory of biology psichology and sociology
(sociobiology) is very simple: True and existent is whatever that make
individuals and groups to be successful. Men and women "exist in reality"
as objects of
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On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:49:31 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
How can you demythify something that actually happened ?
Jesus re
no God, we'd have to invent him
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> every stateme
There is no difference at all between religious mitifications and other
mitifucatuons . See form, example the paper about Darwin that I posted.
religion is a label that appears when the mith is old enough it has enough
believers and the object of mitification is far away in time.
People are reluct
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi meekerdb
>
>
> How can you demythify something that actually happened ?
>
> Jesus really died on the cross and was resurrected.
There's no point arguing with you if you believe things like that.
--
Stathis Papaioannou
--
You received
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Belief in God is a gift from God, you cannot achieve it on your own.
>
OK but have you ever asked yourself why that should be? If God exists then
that is the single most important fact about the universe, but why would
the most powerful thin
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Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification
of
Darwin, the
On 9/11/2012 5:58 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
Science is science and religion is religion
and never the two shall meet.
I'm not sure about this Roger. The goal of a true science and true
religion, in my opinion, is the search of tr
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 9/11/2012
> Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
> so that everything could function."
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On 10 Sep 2012, at 22:02, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification
of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
the creation of a physical temple around these myths.
http:/
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Time: 2012-09-11, 10:53:27
Subject: Re: victims of faith
I had a typo in my previous email. I meant to say that "NOT" all
religions claim certainty.
Some teach uncertainty or humbleness in the search for truth.
On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:47 AM, "Roger Clough"
On 10 Sep 2012, at 21:17, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
snip
To summarize, religion is part of human nature.
Yes. And with the most antic definition of those who have invented
science, *including* theology, we can say that computer science
confirms and generalizes this: all self-referential
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I had a typo in my previous email. I meant to say that "NOT" all religions
claim certainty.
Some teach uncertainty or humbleness in the search for tr
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote:
But what is unique
about religion is that its proponents make factual sta
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On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of
Darwin, the spread of false claims tha
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Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
> every statement about whatever, included "reality"
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Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
> that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the
> details. Atheists are a minority.
>
> In a deeper sense, atheists do believe i
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> Hi Alberto G. Corona
>
> Religious communion with God
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
But what is unique
about religion is that its proponents make factual statement
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Alberto G. Corona
>
> Religious communion with God and prayer are transcendental so
> not computable.
>
>
Even those of the past who looked down on the "barbaric" and
"uncivilized" native people believed they could be converted and
saved.
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>
> Hi meekerdb
>
> Science is science and religion is religion
> and never the two shall meet.
I'm not sure about this Roger. The goal of a true science and true
religion, in my opinion, is the search of truth. In the Bahá'í Faith,
it is sa
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> But what is unique
> about religion is that its proponents make factual statements which
> they proudly profess to believe in the absence of any supporting
> evidence, while disallowing such reasoning for bizarre beliefs
> different to
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every statement about ?hatever, included "reality" is made with mental concepts
. ?he definition of truth, reality , factual, religion, depend on axioms or
unpr
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
> every statement about whatever, included "reality" is made with mental
> concepts . The definition of truth, reality , factual, religion, depend on
> axioms or unproved statements. I presented a computational-evolutionary,
> falsable,
every statement about whatever, included "reality" is made with mental
concepts . The definition of truth, reality , factual, religion, depend on
axioms or unproved statements. I presented a computational-evolutionary,
falsable, exposition of what religion is: a part of a wider class
of phenomen
2012/9/10 meekerdb :
> On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
>
> This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of
> Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
> the creation of a physical temple around these myths.
>
> http://www.epjournal.ne
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On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
the cr
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Having obfuscated the meaning of "God" as much as possible, let's see if we can
also
fuzz-up the meaning of "believe in" - because,
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that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the
details. Atheists are a minority.
In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern
atheism is one the most basic, new and thus,
On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
the creation of a physical temple around these myths.
http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/ep055269.pd
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
> that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the
> details. Atheists are a minority.
>
> In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern
> atheism is one the most basic, new and thus, primitive religi
Having obfuscated the meaning of "God" as much as possible, let's see if we can also
fuzz-up the meaning of "believe in" - because, above all, we really really want to be able
to say "We believe in God." and we want to be able to say "You really believe in God." and
if you think you don't it is
On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
the creation of a physical temple around these myths.
http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/ep055269.pd
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>> From: Alberto G. Corona
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>> So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few
>> enlightened people like you in the
y, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
> so that everything could function."
>
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> S
that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the
details. Atheists are a minority.
In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern
atheism is one the most basic, new and thus, primitive religions, as I
will show here:
Seeing the development of religion whe
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So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few
enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of
silly idiots.
This sense of superior
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
> So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few
> enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of
> silly idiots.
Actually, almost everyone in the history of humanity has thought that
99.99% of all relig
So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few
enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of
silly idiots.
This sense of superiority, combined with a voluntary repression of
doubt certainly can susbstitute any lack of absolute meaning of life
at least for some
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
>
>
> > What I find curious about atheists is that because
> one can prove neither that there is a god or not,
> both theism and atheism must rely on faith-- that
> their position is true.
>
I can't prove God doesn't exist but I can prove He's s
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