On 24 Feb 2014, at 23:07, LizR wrote:
And a nice manifold of red wine. (After a few of those it may be "p-
time" of course...)
With moderation, of course.
A damn!, the red wine is in the basement, near the black hole, no idea
where is the horizon, I will no try, and take non hard drug inst
On 24 Feb 2014, at 18:48, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Bruno,
PS: I have no idea what you are asking in the following question. If
you make it clear I'll try to respond
"You did not answer my question about the relation between p-time
and 1-person. If I accept an artificial brain, and that c
On 24 Feb 2014, at 18:45, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
computational reality is what computes the actual information states
of the observable universe.
So you assume a primitive physical reality? This makes sense with your
p-time, but it is incoherent with the assumption that we can survive
with
On 24 Feb 2014, at 18:11, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:03:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 23 Feb 2014, at 15:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
This might be a more concise way of making my argument:
It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe
th
On 24 Feb 2014, at 17:59, David Nyman wrote:
On 24 February 2014 16:42, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:38, David Nyman wrote:
On 24 February 2014 13:53, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I am not sure why David switched the term. Perhaps to avoid the
confusion between comp and its assump
And a nice manifold of red wine. (After a few of those it may be "p-time"
of course...)
On 25 February 2014 11:06, LizR wrote:
> On 25 February 2014 11:02, wrote:
>
>> Pasta with meatballs and the meat balls are higher dimensional energy
>> fields and the tomato sauce is the rolling tide of h
On 25 February 2014 11:02, wrote:
> Pasta with meatballs and the meat balls are higher dimensional energy
> fields and the tomato sauce is the rolling tide of higgs singlets reacting
> with all.
>
> And spaghetti for the strings, sprinkled with little qubits of pepper.
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I prefer the Pasta theory of the universe... the universe is generated with
pasta... My pasta universe starts with the actual observable state of the
universe and works backward. That absolutely ensures that it is correct by
definition even before we might know what all of those actual
2014-02-24 19:01 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen :
> Quentin,
>>
>> The typical adolescent response of someone unable to even understand the
>> post he is responding to.
>>
>> For some reason my irony meter just exploded.
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On 25 February 2014 06:57, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> My pasta theory conforms to standard scientific method in this respect
> while yours does not.
>
> Tch. You've got a sauce.
PS bless your noodly appendages!
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Bless your noddly appendages.
On 25 February 2014 06:57, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
> I prefer the Pasta theory of the universe... the universe is generated
> with pasta... My pasta universe starts with the actual observable state
> of the universe and works backward. That absolutely ensures that i
On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:11:47 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> 2014-02-24 20:24 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg
> >:
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>> On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:06:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>>
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>>>
>>> 2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg :
>>>
>>>
On Mon
On 24 February 2014 20:15, wrote:
MHO the stage for bickering comes after a lot of this goes down.
> Prematurally, you've got a virtual cast iron guar antee, however long this
> runs, it's endings will the familiar territory, in line with all the other
> instances you participated with whoever to
On Monday, February 24, 2014 7:55:35 PM UTC, David Nyman wrote:
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> On 24 February 2014 19:02, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
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>> On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
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>>> On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>>
>>> No, that's the point of the analog
2014-02-24 20:24 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg :
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>
> On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:06:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> 2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg :
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>>>
>>> On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>>>
On 24 February 2014 17:38, Cra
On 24 February 2014 19:02, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>
> On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
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>> On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>
>> No, that's the point of the analogy, so you can see for yourself why the
>>> question is not reasonable. The questi
On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:06:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> 2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg
> >:
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>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>>
>>> On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>>
>>> No, that's the point of the
2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg :
>
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>
>> On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>
>> No, that's the point of the analogy, so you can see for yourself why the
>>> question is not reasonable. The question pos
On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>
> On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>
> No, that's the point of the analogy, so you can see for yourself why the
>> question is not reasonable. The question posed over and over to me here has
>> been some va
On 24 February 2014 17:41, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Yes, it would be possible to have part of your brain removed and not be
> aware of any difference also - my point though is, 'so what?' You can be
> dead and not know the difference either, presumably.
Are you making some distinction here between
Quentin,
Again you confirm my contention, and confirm your inability to state any
inconsistency between P-time and relativity whatsoever.
You can blubber forever and that will remain the same...
Edgar
On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:05:01 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>
> blablabla... genius
On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg wrote:
No, that's the point of the analogy, so you can see for yourself why the
> question is not reasonable. The question posed over and over to me here has
> been some variation of this same "But if the world didn't work the way that
> it does, wouldn't
blablabla... genius.
2014-02-24 19:01 GMT+01:00 Edgar L. Owen :
> Quentin,
>
> The typical adolescent response of someone unable to even understand the
> post he is responding to.
>
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:57:17 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>
>> I prefer the Pasta t
On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:38:40 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:22:36 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>>
>> On 23 February 2014 19:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>>>
On 23 Febr
Quentin,
The typical adolescent response of someone unable to even understand the
post he is responding to.
Edgar
On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:57:17 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>
> I prefer the Pasta theory of the universe... the universe is generated
> with pasta... My pasta univers
I prefer the Pasta theory of the universe... the universe is generated with
pasta... My pasta universe starts with the actual observable state of the
universe and works backward. That absolutely ensures that it is correct by
definition even before we might know what all of those actual pastas are o
Bruno,
PS: I have no idea what you are asking in the following question. If you
make it clear I'll try to respond
"You did not answer my question about the relation between p-time and
1-person. If I accept an artificial brain, and that clock of that
artigicial brain can be improved, I migh
Bruno,
As I've stated on many occasions, computational reality is what computes
the actual information states of the observable universe. It is what
computes what science observes and measures, whatever that may be.
Your comp starts with an abstract assumption without any empirical
justificati
On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:16:26 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
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> On 24 February 2014 16:59, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>
>> You seem to be answering a different question. I thought it was a direct
>>> entailment of your theory that no part of the brain could be substituted
>>> purely func
On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:16:26 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
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> On 24 February 2014 16:59, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>
>> You seem to be answering a different question. I thought it was a direct
>>> entailment of your theory that no part of the brain could be substituted
>>> purely func
On 24 February 2014 16:59, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> You seem to be answering a different question. I thought it was a direct
>> entailment of your theory that no part of the brain could be substituted
>> purely functionally without affecting the consciousness of the person
>> associated with that
On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:03:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> On 23 Feb 2014, at 15:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> This might be a more concise way of making my argument:
>
> It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the
> method, mechanism, or arithmetic princi
On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:10, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Craig,
I agree too. Makes it sound low brow and pop culturish, like some
consumer product for housewives. But that's a good way to
distinguish it from my computational reality.
But please tell us what it is. "computational" is a technical t
On 24 February 2014 16:42, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:38, David Nyman wrote:
>
> On 24 February 2014 13:53, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> I am not sure why David switched the term. Perhaps to avoid the confusion
>> between comp and its assumptions (like John Clark does sometimes),
On 24 Feb 2014, at 14:57, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Thanks Bruno...
As an advocate of a computational reality, I certainly believe that
part of that universe (subsets) is computational minds, though I
suspect we'd disagree about most of the rest
You are welcome, but may be David meant som
On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:43:28 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
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> On 24 February 2014 16:01, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21:15 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>>
>>> On 24 February 2014 13:56, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure, but there is a differenc
On 24 February 2014 16:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21:15 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>
>> On 24 February 2014 13:56, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>
>> Sure, but there is a difference between restoring damaged parts of a
>>> living person's brain and putting parts sy
On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:38, David Nyman wrote:
On 24 February 2014 13:53, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I am not sure why David switched the term. Perhaps to avoid the
confusion between comp and its assumptions (like John Clark does
sometimes), or perhaps just to allude to the fact that it is a
co
On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21:15 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>
> On 24 February 2014 13:56, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>
> Sure, but there is a difference between restoring damaged parts of a
>> living person's brain and putting parts synthetic brain parts and expecting
>> it to become a l
On 24 February 2014 13:53, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I am not sure why David switched the term. Perhaps to avoid the confusion
> between comp and its assumptions (like John Clark does sometimes), or
> perhaps just to allude to the fact that it is a common theory used by most
> cognitive scientists.
On 24 February 2014 13:56, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Sure, but there is a difference between restoring damaged parts of a living
> person's brain and putting parts synthetic brain parts and expecting it to
> become a living person.
I think we need to examine that assumption of difference more close
Craig,
I agree too. Makes it sound low brow and pop culturish, like some consumer
product for housewives. But that's a good way to distinguish it from my
computational reality.
:-)
Edgar
On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:58:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>
>
> On Monday, February 24, 201
Craig,
All this discussion about replacing selves or brains is entirely a matter
of definition, and thus pretty much a meaningless discussion.
It is clear that if we could replace in EVERY last detail, that the new
self would be an exact duplicate of the old self with the exact same mental
sta
On 23 Feb 2014, at 15:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
This might be a more concise way of making my argument:
It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the
method, mechanism, or arithmetic principle by which computations are
encountered.
My hypothesis, drawn from both di
On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:16:00 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
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> Craig,
>
> Pardon me but what does CTM stand for?
>
Computational Theory of Mind.
Someone mentioned that they are tired of the word 'Comp', and I agree.
Something about it I never liked. Makes it sound friendly and natura
Thanks Bruno...
As an advocate of a computational reality, I certainly believe that part of
that universe (subsets) is computational minds, though I suspect we'd
disagree about most of the rest
Edgar
On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:53:37 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>
> On 24 Feb 2014
On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:17:02 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
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> On 24 February 2014 03:38, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:22:36 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>>
>>> On 23 February 2014 19:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>>
On Sunday, February
On 24 Feb 2014, at 14:16, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Pardon me but what does CTM stand for?
It is Computationalist Theory of Mind. It is another name of
computationalism or comp, although usually comp refers explicitly to
the very weak (logically) version of it.
Usually CTM assumes that the b
On 24 February 2014 03:38, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:22:36 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>
>> On 23 February 2014 19:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>>>
On 23 February 2014 14:55, Cra
Craig,
Pardon me but what does CTM stand for?
Edgar
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:55:27 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> This might be a more concise way of making my argument:
>
> It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the
> method, mechanism, or arithmetic princ
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:22:36 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>
> On 23 February 2014 19:55, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>>
>>> On 23 February 2014 14:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>>
This might be a more concise
On 23 February 2014 19:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>
>> On 23 February 2014 14:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>>
>>> This might be a more concise way of making my argument:
>>>
>>> It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necess
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote:
>
> On 23 February 2014 14:55, Craig Weinberg
> > wrote:
>
>> This might be a more concise way of making my argument:
>>
>> It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the
>> method, mechanism, or arithmetic
On 23 February 2014 14:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> This might be a more concise way of making my argument:
>
> It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the
> method, mechanism, or arithmetic principle by which computations are
> encountered.
>
> My hypothesis, drawn from b
This might be a more concise way of making my argument:
It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the
method, mechanism, or arithmetic principle by which computations are
encountered.
My hypothesis, drawn from both direct human experience as well as
experience with techn
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