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On 9/14/2012 9:04 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Alberto G. Corona
That's why I stick to orthodoxy and the creeds.
Hard to go wrong
On 14 Sep 2012, at 19:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/14/2012 6:10 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
The evidence has strong indications of being manipulated for
the purpose of a political agenda.
It is certainly cherry-picked by minions of the fossil fuel industry.
The way that the sensors are
There are different kinds of beliefs. The believer that has no strong
evidences, know that he believe. He know that he believe.
The second kind of believer does not know that he believe, because he
live in a environment where the evidences are uncontested in the
environment where he lives. For
would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
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2012/9/13 Stathis Papaioannou :
On Wed, Sep 12
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2012/9/13 Stathis Papaioannou :
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: Alberto G. Corona
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Roger: right
But there are two types of people: the ones that know that believe,
that know that they are unfounded and the others that believe that
known, who don? know that they are unfounded
On 9/14/2012 4:02 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
There are different kinds of beliefs. The believer that has no strong
evidences, know that he believe. He know that he believe.
The second kind of believer does not know that he believe, because he
live in a environment where the evidences are
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Roger: right
But there are two types of people: the ones that know that believe,
that know that they are unfounded and the others that believe
On 9/14/2012 6:10 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
The evidence has strong indications of being manipulated for the purpose of a
political agenda.
It is certainly cherry-picked by minions of the fossil fuel industry.
The way that the sensors are distributed and their data is weighed is the
On 9/14/2012 1:10 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/14/2012 6:10 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
The evidence has strong indications of being manipulated for
the purpose of a political agenda.
It is certainly cherry-picked by minions of the fossil fuel industry.
I would agree with you if the fossil
On 9/14/2012 11:10 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/14/2012 1:10 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/14/2012 6:10 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
The evidence has strong indications of being manipulated for the purpose of a
political agenda.
It is certainly cherry-picked by minions of the fossil fuel
: 2012-09-12, 15:25:42
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
? God, being inextended,
If God is not extended then He must be very small and that could be the reason
we don't see Him. God is like a germ.
is invisible
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no difference at all between religious mitifications and other
mitifucatuons . See form, example the paper about Darwin that I posted.
religion is a label that appears when the mith is old enough it has
2012/9/13 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com:
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wrote:
There is no difference at all between religious mitifications and other
mitifucatuons . See form, example the paper about Darwin that I posted.
religion is a label
There is no difference at all between religious mitifications and other
mitifucatuons . See form, example the paper about Darwin that I posted.
religion is a label that appears when the mith is old enough it has enough
believers and the object of mitification is far away in time.
People are
him
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every statement about 爓hatever, included
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On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:49:31 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
How can you demythify something that actually happened ?
Jesus really died on the cross
Note that the natural definition of Truth and reality that arises from a
evolutionarily-informed theory of biology psichology and sociology
(sociobiology) is very simple: True and existent is whatever that make
individuals and groups to be successful. Men and women exist in reality
as objects of
to invent him
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him
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Belief in God is a gift from
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Note that the natural definition of Truth and reality that arises from a
evolutionarily-informed theory of biology psichology
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What do we have that machines don't ?
Intelligence, consciousnness, awareness. feelings--
in short
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Note that the natural definition of Truth and reality that arises from a
evolutionarily-informed theory of biology
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
God, being inextended,
If God is not extended then He must be very small and that could be the
reason we don't see Him. God is like a germ.
is invisible to the scientific method and logic
I think you're correct
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On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:56, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
What do we have that machines don't ?
Intelligence, consciousnness, awareness. feelings--
in short, we have life, machines don't
And what
Time: 2012-09-10, 15:17:21
Subject: Re: victims of faith
that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the
details. Atheists are a minority.
In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern
atheism is one the most basic, new and thus, primitive religions, as I
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Having obfuscated the meaning of God as much as possible, let's see if we can
also
fuzz-up the meaning of believe in - because, above all, we really really want
to be able
to say
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On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
the creation of a physical
2012/9/10 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net:
On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
the creation of a physical temple around these myths.
every statement about whatever, included reality is made with mental
concepts . The definition of truth, reality , factual, religion, depend on
axioms or unproved statements. I presented a computational-evolutionary,
falsable, exposition of what religion is: a part of a wider class
of
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every statement about whatever, included reality is made with mental
concepts . The definition of truth, reality , factual, religion, depend on
axioms or unproved statements. I presented a
: Alberto G. Corona
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every statement about ?hatever, included reality is made with mental concepts
. ?he definition of truth, reality , factual, religion, depend on axioms or
unproved statements. I presented
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote:
But what is unique
about religion is that its proponents make factual statements which
they proudly profess to believe in the absence of any supporting
evidence, while disallowing such reasoning for bizarre beliefs
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi meekerdb
Science is science and religion is religion
and never the two shall meet.
I'm not sure about this Roger. The goal of a true science and true
religion, in my opinion, is the search of truth. In the Bahá'í
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Alberto G. Corona
Religious communion with God and prayer are transcendental so
not computable.
Even those of the past who looked down on the barbaric and
uncivilized native people believed they could be converted
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But what is unique
about religion is that its proponents make factual statements which
.
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Hi Alberto G. Corona
Religious communion with God and prayer
-09-10, 19:43:38
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that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the
details. Atheists are a minority.
In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern
9/11/2012
Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
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every statement about whatever, included reality is made with mental
concepts
Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
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Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
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But what is unique
about religion is that its proponents make factual statements which
Resch
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I had a typo in my previous email. I meant to say that NOT all religions
claim certainty.
Some teach uncertainty or humbleness in the search for truth.
On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Roger
On 10 Sep 2012, at 22:02, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification
of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
the creation of a physical temple around these myths.
/11/2012
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On 9
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Hi meekerdb
Science is science and religion is religion
and never the two shall meet.
I'm not sure about this Roger. The goal of a true science and true
religion, in my opinion,
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This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification
of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure
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Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Belief in God is a gift from God, you cannot achieve it on your own.
OK but have you ever asked yourself why that should be? If God exists then
that is the single most important fact about the universe, but why would
the
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi meekerdb
How can you demythify something that actually happened ?
Jesus really died on the cross and was resurrected.
There's no point arguing with you if you believe things like that.
--
Stathis Papaioannou
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So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few
enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of
silly idiots.
This sense of superiority, combined
that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the
details. Atheists are a minority.
In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern
atheism is one the most basic, new and thus, primitive religions, as I
will show here:
Seeing the development of religion
, we'd have to invent him
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So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few
enlightened people
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
the creation of a physical temple around these myths.
http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/ep055269.pdf
Victims of faith are we all, and also
On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
the creation of a physical temple around these myths.
Having obfuscated the meaning of God as much as possible, let's see if we can also
fuzz-up the meaning of believe in - because, above all, we really really want to be able
to say We believe in God. and we want to be able to say You really believe in God. and
if you think you don't it is just
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
that is not fair. 99.99 believed in God or in gods They differ in the
details. Atheists are a minority.
In a deeper sense, atheists do believe in gods. problably modern
atheism is one the most basic, new and thus,
On 9/10/2012 12:50 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This paper of an evolutionist scientific denounces the mytification of
Darwin, the spread of false claims that enhance his figure and even
the creation of a physical temple around these myths.
Hi John Clark
What I find curious about atheists is that because
one can prove neither that there is a god or not,
both theism and atheism must rely on faith-- that
their position is true.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/9/2012
Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
What I find curious about atheists is that because
one can prove neither that there is a god or not,
both theism and atheism must rely on faith-- that
their position is true.
I can't prove God doesn't exist but I can
So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few
enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of
silly idiots.
This sense of superiority, combined with a voluntary repression of
doubt certainly can susbstitute any lack of absolute meaning of life
at least for
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
So you have a very strong belief: That almost all but a few
enlightened people like you in the History of humanity are a bunch of
silly idiots.
Actually, almost everyone in the history of humanity has thought that
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